Can 16- and 17-year-olds be trusted to vote? In August 2016, the minimum voting age in Greece for national elections was lowered to 17. In Austria, the limit is even lower at just 16 years; in Croatia and Slovenia, 16-year-olds can vote if they’re employed, and in Hungary 16-year-olds can vote if they’re married.
Most EU Member States, however, have set the voting age at 18. There are campaigns to have it lowered in various countries, and supporters argue that young people will ultimately be the ones dealing with the consequences of today’s political decisions, so it’s right for them to have a say. Furthermore, lowering the voting age might go some way towards boosting turnout among young voters (which, in some EU countries, is appallingly low). On the other hand, critics argue that 16-year-olds don’t yet have a full understanding of political issues and consequences, and might be easily swayed by peer pressure or extremist arguments.
What do our readers think? We had a comment sent in from Mihaela on our ‘Suggest a Debate’ page, asking whether the voting age should be lowered to 16 across Europe.
Should 16-year-olds be given the vote? We asked Members of the European Parliament (MEPs) from all sides of the political spectrum to stake out their positions on this question, and it’s up to YOU to vote for the policies you favour. See what the different MEPs have to say, then vote at the bottom of this debate for the one you most agree with! Take part in the vote below and tell us who you support in the European Parliament!
One needs to have certain level of experience to vote responsibly. Therefore I think the current threshold of 18 years is well-placed. But at the same time we should encourage young voters to make full use of their right to express themselves through elections.
Paul Nuttall (EFDD), Leader of the UK Independence Party (UKIP) (NOTE: We contacted EFDD MEPs for comment but they did not reply in time for publication. The below is from a statement made by Paul Nuttall):
Sixteen-year-olds do not have enough life experience to make sound judgements when voting and consequently I am against reducing the age limit… Naive youngsters tend to have utopian dreams of life and can be more gullible. They are also subjected to pro-EU propaganda lessons which is a ethically wrong and is also an abuse of taxpayers money.
As they grow older and experience first hand making their way in the world they are better able to make reasoned judgements. I personally believe that all secondary school children should be taught about our political system in an unbiased way as currently so many leave school without any idea of how it works and what the different parties stand for. There is no doubt that young people should be encouraged to vote, after all today’s changes affect their tomorrows, but instead of lowering the age limit they should be properly educated about the relevance of politics to their lives.
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yes,. And what about corrupted politicians?
This is… I even don’t know which time you ask this question and the answer will be always NO!!!
Not only should consider 21 years as a legal barrier, but with the increasing levels of illiteracy maybe we should consider even requirements for some basic levels of education…
I agree with you!
@Bobi Dochev
Well said!
I personally completely disagree with your claim. Statistically, it has been proven that Europe-wide literacy is greater concentrated amongst those aged 16-25 than, say, 46-55 or 56-65. (source: http://www.eli-net.eu/fileadmin/ELINET/Redaktion/Factsheet-Literacy_in_Europe-A4.pdf)
By your same logical standard, voting as a right must only be within the clutch of the intelligentsia or a power-hungry elite. This argument, of course, can be seen at both ends of the spectrum, from the populist argument, namely that only those that offer bread and water ad nauseam to the people know what is right for them, to the left’s support of a technocratic titan, pulling the strings of each and everyone.
See, I get your point here, and can see where you’re coming from, but the pillars of democracy is that any adult and taxpayer should be represented. A farmer might not know much about politics but his hectars of land feed thousands, and so while I stand on your thoughts of responsible and informed voting, I fear that implementing this would be highly unconstitutional and would revert civilization to voting bans from 1800 or even earlier than that. It’s safe to say the “illiterates” didn’t took well to that.
There’s people that are 50 and shouldn’t. I don’t think the right to vote should be determined by age, but rather the maturity of individuals. But I guess that’s too much of a hassle. I mean, they’re only electing the future, no big deal ;)
No.
Why 16? Why not 8 or 6?
so to you a teenager that is 2 years away from going to college and can legally have sex and get married is the same as an 8 or 6 year old?….
Marian Rodu Yep… He is just kid not responsible for his own actions. If you don’t pay taxes you should not be allowed to vote, simple as that.
Or you really want laws like “Free play station for everyone and pizza for dinner”?
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In the EU why not, its not as though the unelected European Politburo actually listens to anyway so it doesn’t matter what age you set it at.
roll eyes…
Marian Rodu
?
http://www.dutchnews.nl/features/2016/01/83847/
“Unelected”? You clearly have no idea on how European institutions work, do you?
Guillem Gilabert Castaño
The European Commission is ‘appointed’, not elected.
Clearly it is you that has no idea what you are talking about.
http://europa.eu/rapid/press-release_IP-16-2652_en.htm
Same as Theresa May then.
But the European Parliament is elected. The Commission is the correspondent of a government. Do you elect in your country the ministers ?? Do you elect the people working in the administration ?
Anisia Popescu .
Yes we do elect our cabinet, all have won seats in their own rights, where did your European Politburo stand ?
Our civil service carries out the will of the government which carries out the will of the people whereas your unelected commission answers to no one and only following the rejected European constitution (renamed the Lisbon treaty to bypass democracy).
Next stupid question please.
http://www.dutchnews.nl/features/2016/01/83847/
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In the EU why not, its not as though the unelected European Politburo actually listens so it doesn’t matter what age you set it at.
Guillem Gilabert Castaño
The European Commission is ‘appointed’, not elected.
Clearly it is you that has no idea what you are talking about.
http://europa.eu/rapid/press-release_IP-16-2652_en.htm
yes
Lorenzo Carucci
No
yes
Why?… Who should vote? 16 year old people are still young and they haven’t even finished their education. Why are we in such a hurry to make children and teens full grown ups? Even full grown ups aren’t mature enough to vote for people who would work towards common good. If it was up to me they would vote after their 20s.
Because they’re gullible and easy for politicians to exploit.
Matthew Griffing No. Because they are part of this society and capable of deciding like the rest of us. Come on, Idiots are equally spreaded across all ages, from 16 to 90. You know it’s not a matter of age.
Marcos Markko the only reason the politburo wants 16 year olds to vote is because they are most likely at that age to vote left.
would you advocate that 16 year olds be able to drive cars too?
or to be a combat soldier?
18 is the agreed age for these and many other things and I think it is about right.
Until a child is 18 they are still a charge of their parents or guardians
Just another desperate attempt to stem the tide of democratic revolution, just like the proposal in Germany to allow refugees and other non-citizens to vote.
Pathetic
Perhaps in fairness David Alan Roden there should be an upper age limit too, as older people tend to be more right-leaning (myself not included) and maybe out of touch with the modern world. How about 70? I wonder how the Brexit vote would look then?
There is a world of difference between a 70 year old and a 16 year old in maturity and world experience plus one of that age is rightly known as a senior citizen. I’m sure if the politburo could get away with it they surely would restrict the max age exactly as you say.
I’ve seen on here arrogant people with highly unjustified superiority complexes try and justify only intelligent people should be allowed to vote after taking a voter qualification!
The truth is – our societies consist of a wide range of different people with widely varying abilities. All have their part and therefore all of a mature enough age (18+ in most western societies) should take part in how the society is formed and administrated.
I suspect you agree Mark….
“I’ve seen on here arrogant people with highly unjustified superiority complexes try and justify only intelligent people should be allowed to vote after taking a voter qualification! ”
I assume you are referring to me?
For your information whilst I’m confident such an examination will never be introduced I made the suggestion to counter all those on here who (arrogantly and self importantly) claim that 16 year old’s (and apparently over 70’s) are not capable of enough rational thought to vote in an election……care to suggest any other way there is to determine just who can be trusted with a vote? (apart from ageism)
we are in hurry to give the next generationa voices for the future
If you are too young to bear full responsibility for an act of crime, then you are too young to vote.
The age of 18 is a consentiual age of adulthood. Reduce voting age to 16 only if the age of adulthood is reduced in all other aspects too: criminal responsibility, proprietary status, taxation, etc. A person is either an adult or not.
no
Sunt necesare profunde reforme de sistem si legi precise in Romania de astazi !
No. After 18.
Nope.
No
I think 16 year olds should at least be able to vote in referenda. Maybe if we provide a more solid and objective political education in 10-15 years 16 year olds would be as prepared to vote for any issue as the adults, but right now even the adults are morons…
Yes absolutely
No, I don’t think at 16 can discern (jutge) the country’s policies….they are influenced by their parents or teachers.
No, no, no !
Yes, of course. Young people should decide how should look the world in which they will live.
Aiureli in piata au fost copii de 12 ani n-ar trebui sa voteze si ei din moment ce tot inteleg ce e legal constitutional si participa la actiuni civice ?
NO!
No. In fact, I think voting age should be increased to 21. Even at 18 most people are still just kids who have no idea about how politics and government work. And such young voters are easily fooled by populists and demagogues.
Yeah, like people on their 50s are not easily fooled. It’s the other way arround.
People in their 50s have the experience of following the political life and voting for 30+ years. If they are still being fooled, it’s their personal problem and no legislation can fix that. What’s the chance of a 16 or 18-year old teenager having the needed level of experience and knowledge in order to make an informed and educated decision when voting? I’d say the chance is pretty slim.
In many places outside of Greek but within the EU marrying, driving, drinking and joining the army is allowed at ages younger than 18.
In my opinion 50 year old people may have more experience and seen more in life, okay, but they have biased opinions too, many of which they have, because they developed them in past times and have a completely different idea of the world and experience of growing up.
I appreciate to hear what elder people want to say, but sometimes they are still debating on old arguments, when the debate is already on different things. This doesn’t mean that it isn’t important to know how the debate got there.
Dearest friend, if you want young employees to have experience you need to employ them, if you want people to have experience in voting you have to give them a chance to vote.
If the voting age was set to 30, I doubt people of that age would have the ability to judge the same way as they have, after they had twelve years of experience.
I am saying this as an eighteen year old who will vote in Germany’s national elections for, the first time in my life.
I respect my mother for all she does for me -but political education isn’t her strength as an almost 43 year old woman. She grew up in China and has as far as I know, never voted in her own life. It is very interesting to see, how she has very strong opinions on many topics and how her view about WHO should make the decisions is different.
I would never vote what any parent or teacher told me, nor would I simply vote something that just sounds nice. I agree, that not everybody does that.
Another suggestion: What if voting rights were purely based on request? Anybody who wants to vote simply has to request the right as soon as they want, no matter how old they are. Under the condition, that they can prove that it was their own idea and since a person needs to be mature enough to handle making the request, it would still be an actual barrier, without being a big intellectual test -given that the institutions that organize registration do not abuse their power. Just a thought construct.
I don’t think all of this is likely in a nearer future and we are not far enough in education to lower the voting age for everybody. But I believe that this should be the goal and that it shouldn’t be treated as if impossible. There were times, when the voting age was twenty-five years. There surely is a limit to the bottom, but I think, sixteen is still very thinkable and realistic.
Why not 12 year old or better 10 ! :D
going on the fucking performance some of the shits made after the brexit vote, no chance !
No
Give it at 3……Labour wanted the age of consent for boys lowered to 10 or some such silly thing….Blair stopped that one…about the onloy good thing he ever did.
I think it should be put up to 21 and you have to pass an intelligence test before you can vote.
Good idea
If you are going to use a test, let them vote. If they are smart enough to pass it, what do you care. Some 16 kids might be smarter than you pal.
No
No. 18 year olds also have no clue about politics
yes .
If our vote had a value, it should have been declared as illegal by the politicians…
Based on the fact many adults are stupid and some under 16’s can be highly intelligent, I suggest there is the introduction of a “Political Awareness” examination and anyone of whatever age who passes the exam earns the right to vote
Do you think you would pass it Paul?
A pregnant woman ‘must’ vote twice, or more …
Pai sa inceapa cu grupa mica dela gradinita cu o conditie ,sase prezinte la vot si nu in santane !
I do not think that a 16-year human is adult enough to vote. If someone wants to vote, then he should be taxed, and be held responsible in case of a crime, etc
Can someone stop this inane questioning and explain why do we want to have 16 year old “children” stop being children? Is this politicians trying to get hold of immature, highly influenced young people so they can manipulate them?
Because it is about their future, and probably are smarter then a lot of adults. The same principle is active when you talking about pensioners. I do believe that the young generation is pure capable to decide their future, their are a lot smarter than we was at the time of 16.
They have plenty of time to be adults. Let them enjoy their youth. I do believe their are being prey of opportunistic politicians.
I would hate my child to fall prey of such games.
I still want to hear from the politicians who are pushing this idea… but I guess I will have no explanations. Because they do not want to give up their game.
If they are under age for some things, and rightly so, then this idea sounds fishy.
n someone stop this inane questioning and explain why do we want to have 16 year old “children” stop being children? Is this politicians trying to get hold of immature, highly influenced young people so they can manipulate them?
I’d say no, but on the other hand, there are older people who vote for shit politicians.
I think that 18-years old people are not expert enough to vote.
they probably have more intelligence that Donald Trump Is Not My President
Nope, those are the ones.
Only radical left can be so desperate to do this.
16-year-old? Would you let a 16-year-old drive? Or enlist to the army? If we say ‘ok’ for the 16-year-olds, then why not say ‘yes’ for 13-year-olds!
uhm… I don’t understand…. at 16 you have not ended your hard work to wash their brains in public schools yet!!
i fully disagree,
u can leave school at 16
No..a person who has not still formed a personality , is still living totally dependent on parents and of course not entitled to even sign legaly a legal conscent, is a joke to even consider providing right to vote.
From 21
nope.
Not ripe enough. Not interested yet.
absolutely no ! even 18 is to young ..
You study at a university known to be a degree factory so maybe you should never have the right to vote either!!
Diaconu George Razvan who cares about those votes lol fukkin theater … dont be stupid.
Diaconu George Razvan vad cupa cum vorbesti ca esti un “mare om de cultura” … este opinia mea , ce legatura are asta cu facultatea ce o fac , cauti sa te dai mare cu vreo realizare ceva ? … e okey , era de asteptat ca de la romani numai “laude” sa primesti .
off topic
eu am zis o opinie , nu ma cert cu voi !
We need a technocracy where qualified people can vote on different topics. Don’t let socially and economically illiterate people vote on specific referendums, because their proposed way is often very off the track from the path of logic and common sense.
they vote Brexit
Lenilena Lorentz
I said EDUCATED on specific topics, not inbred tea drinker monarchy-snobs with bad teeth.
Why not 13n or 12 Its healthy for young people to vote 18n not during shcool the decision making belongs to,,,,,Must be some criteria to vote
No. Not even some adults have any clue about politics. They should forbid voting till a person is 25.
yes, because they don’t have life experience, culture, a little bit of wisdom…at that age they are between children and adults having more important personal problems to have time to THINK about politics
While some are more mature than others, they have simply not lived long enough to have been exposed to the whole spectrum of problems they have to go through as a person . We are talikg about child like attitudes here.
1) At 16-18 most people are still dependant and do not know anything about the problems their country is facing. Most couldn’t tell you what a GDP is and how the taxation works in their country.
2) Only for a few years have they been off the mums tit. ~0-13 y.o. we are like little sponges absorbing our parents opinions and ideas. That leaves us around 3 years to develop own ideas.
3) All is not lost. This interest should be forwarded towards getting involved in politics later in life to make a difference.
No
No, 18 is fine.
NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO. Fuck NO. There are already adults that don’t even deserve the right to vote cuz they’re too fucked in the head, reason why some countries get dumb and corrupted politicians, whores, sluts, manginas and donkeyfaces. We really don’t need a big percentage of more undeveloped people to vote for the future of the rational people, which sadly, they are not many, cuz smart people are way less than stupid or mediocres. Nowadays, right to vote should be a right you FIGHT for, not given just like that. Make a freaking system with a test to be taken before having the right to vote, pass = vote, don’t pass = wait 4 more years for another chance. Or make the system to allow people that have 12th degree finished, with the DIPLOMA in their hands, only after that they can earn the RIGHT to vote. Yes, yes, i know there are smarter people with 8 classes than with 12, but very few, so with the 12th grade system the risk should be way lower to meet someone dumb to vote with the ass.
lol, it’s hilarious it’s even being seriously debated.
The suffrage should be getting more and more limited, until finally only people between 40 and 45 years of age may be eligible for vote, because only those people can be considered serious and experienced enough, and not too old and senile – and having the one chance in life to vote, makes you more responsible in voting.
Either that, or wealth census.
Age is not a determining factor of experience and intelligence.
What you want is a technocracy where qualified people can vote on different topics. Don’t let socially and economically illiterate people vote on specific referendums, because their proposed way is often very off the track from the path of logic and common sense.
Köteles Kornél actually, I don’t want any voting, because votes should not violate individual rights and choices. But someone has to approve the budget to fund the only legitimate functions of government, that is: courts, police and military. That’s why the age census of 40-45 and voting once in your life. That’s what Hayek proposed.
well, I bet you won’t think the same when you’re 60 going on 70…
they want to do this as they are well aware that they can be easily brainwash at school by the institution.
brainwashed at school? In Italy?
no uk
They should
why?
Köteles Kornél actually, I don’t want any voting, because votes should not violate individual rights and choices. But someone has to approve the budget to fund the only legitimate functions of government, that is: courts, police and military. That’s why the age census of 40-45 and voting once in your life. That’s what Hayek proposed.
Don’t forget to dogs.
Corect! Câți mama dracului sunt electori clari! BEc dormitează de mult!
Corect! Câți mama dracului sunt electori clari! BEc dormitează de mult!
The solution would be to make not voting punishable by law. Everybody needs to vote. The slightly less dumb part of the population will not go to vote since they don’t believe their vote can change anything, while the dumb majority of the population will vote with the one that gives them the most stuff, even if that drives the country towards destruction.
Now this is insanely stupid
Włodzimierz Przybyłkiewicz Here is a list of countries that already do it. Still insanely stupid ?
http://www.pbs.org/newshour/rundown/22-countries-voting-mandatory/
Should 16-year-olds be conscripted into the armed forces, or be tried as adults in a court of law?
Me asustan algunos comentarios, el voto de calidad y el de las personas desde los 16 años…de verdad…increíble!
Me asustan algunos comentarios, el voto de calidad y el de las personas desde los 16 años…de verdad…increíble!
Nope
No.They are brein-washed by EU and by Putin – too stupid to vote.
Nobody is brainwashed by putin
No, another dumb idea from the EU.
My Brexit vote was based on life experiences and observations throughout the EU Regime, what the heck do these know other than the “idle gossip” that media spout ?
NOOOOOO!!! They can’t tell their right hand from their left one, let alone decide the destinies of a whole country . ;)
no way. And not even to those over 60
No
Never ever!!!
NO !!!!! NEVER !!!!!!
They should only allow people over 50 to be politicians by that time you have learnt the BS from the real. You have a number of years working in a real world. You will have discovered yourself and probably have some stake in the community you live in. You can serve but you will not be clogging up the system for decades. Your time will be limited so you might as well hurry up. You will see the mistakes you have made with your children and will want better for your grandchildren. You will have seen trendy trends blow out and the important remain.
16 year olds have opinions but the experience to filter them is missing, they only really know school and dependency
yes, you will have an informed opinion like being racist, not allbfc but a far larger % of older people are
and older people have a shorter stake in the decisions made
YES,they should be given their vote !!! WE ARE IN THE 21ST. CENTURY,REMEMBER !
[current century intensifies]
Irrelevant what century it is
I think the century is relevant enough,because the youngs are growing faster ,they ,they reach earlier the maturity …
They are still stupid at 16. And make stupid actions.
Ahahahahahahaha nope.
Yes
…όταν η αιθερική όραση κατακτηθεί από την ανθρωπότητα θα γίνει αντιληπτό όσο και σαφές ότι πριν την συμλήρωση του 21 ου έτους δεν έχει συγκροτηθεί ο νοητικός φορέας που αποτελεί την προυπόθεση για την δυνατότητα του εκλέγειν (να συσχετίζει και να επιλέγει το καλύτερο). Ειναι άλλο η αντίληψη και άλλο η κατανόηση (σφαιρική ,πολλαπλή λεπταντίληψη) για μία συνθήκη…
…όταν η αιθερική όραση κατακτηθεί από την ανθρωπότητα θα γίνει αντιληπτό όσο και σαφές ότι πριν την συμλήρωση του 21 ου έτους δεν έχει συγκροτηθεί ο νοητικός φορέας που αποτελεί την προυπόθεση για την δυνατότητα του εκλέγειν (να συσχετίζει και να επιλέγει το καλύτερο). Ειναι άλλο η αντίληψη και άλλο η κατανόηση (σφαιρική ,πολλαπλή λεπταντίληψη) για μία συνθήκη…
If this had been the case in the UK Referendum on Brexit, the UK would not be leaving the UK. It should be recognised as a universal human right in all national referenda and transnational elections, if not in local and national elections. There are lots of wise heads on young shoulders, and lots of stupid ones on ‘old’ shoulders, as the result of the Brexit referendum itself reveals. Why should those whose present and future rights are most affected by that result be told that they have to ‘respect’ it, when thez themselves were disenfranchised?
Brexit is a great thing
NO! Millenials are stupid and maybe we should even up the vote at the age of 21!
since older people will die a few years after the election maybe we should take away voting at a certain age :) not to mention dementia and the like, and the fact that we the millennials will inherit the mess and are the best educated generation to date
Educated? Unfortunately not! Instead of thinking they just repeat stuff.
no. You have no idea how much life will chew you up and spit you out at 16 for most people. Let them get out of their parents house a bit on their own money. They’ll see life isn’t always about social justice
No. Never ever.
Hell no! You have to be an idiot to agree they should
How about old people that have lost their ability to understand society ( many of them ) or people that are illiterate ? many 16 are smart enough …
At trebui sa te jignesc in limba engleza?
De ce ar trebuii s-o jigniti? Aurel Mocanu, sau asa e matur?
Aurel Mocanu Mi se pare o intrebare normala ,faceti ce vreti , traim intr-o tara si continent liber .(Inca nu e PSD-ul la putere total ) Normal sunt si consecinte. Dar e o intrebare fireasca .Unii isi pierd facultatile iar altii nu le dobandesc niciodata!
Alin Mărgărita nu se scrie “trebuii” Sunteti de parere ca agramatii sa nu mai voteze?
Diaconu George Razvan dvs. precis nu le-ati dobandit. Aduceti aici pe forum ecourile barbariei din Romania care trateaza pe cei carora le datoreaza viata fara respect, cu salbaticie. Dar, la obiect, capacitatea de exercitiu si anumite drepturi nu se restrang decat in instanta. Doriti sa fiti for ever young?
Not at all.
Włodzimierz Przybyłkiewicz Here is a list of countries that already do it. Still insanely stupid ?
http://www.pbs.org/newshour/rundown/22-countries-voting-mandatory/
Yes, definitely.
After all, they have the most to gain, or to loose, from the outcome. They are the ones who will be still experiencing the consequences of the present voting sessions long after we. their parents, will be long gone.
Are we scared that their are not yet mature enough to vote?
And who raised them to be the immature brats we are so afraid of?
Some aliens? The ‘immigrants’?
https://nicichiarasa.wordpress.com/2015/02/23/baby-girl/
No, they should finish school first.
What makes this generation think they are more special than any prior?
I forget they feel entitled !!
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Dacă, târîș/grăpiș, tot trăim mai mult, nu mai bine toate la timpul lor?
Dacă, târîș/grăpiș, tot trăim mai mult, nu mai bine toate la timpul lor?
No
Old enough to work? Old enough to vote
Wise enough to drop out of school, wise enough to choose the right thing ;)
In this modern society of expectations by employers and the aspirations of the citizen, 16 years is not old enough to work. Other than doing a small time paper round for pocket money.
18 years, because the experience of the individual is so limited, is still too young to vote on any issue. However, at that age they can be taken into the forces and used to the point where they will be put out to die for their country. As that is reality then it must also be reality that at eighteen they must have a say in their democracy.
Nevertheless, I am supposed to be intelligent, so they tell me, yet, when I was eighteen I had no broad knowledge of government, or, how betrayed the citizen is by those who rule over us. Therefore, any decision I would have made then on how my country would be best served for its future, would not have been valid as I lacked judgement, the kind that only experience and time gives you.
Old enough to join the armed forces, old enough to vote
Yes.
Tinerii ar trebui sa poata vota dupa 30 de ani. Pana atunci sa isi vada de teribilisme si imaturitate. Bine, pentru distrugerea ordinii mondiale, pot vota si de la 10 ani.
În acest caz nici “tinerii” peste 40 de ani nu ar trebui să aibă drept de vot. Să îsi vadă de planurile lor de pensionare.
Si că tot v-am prins, nu ati vrea dumneavoastra să vă duceți naibii? Probabil vă veti simti ofensata, însă mai frumos de atât nu pot spune. Din cauza dumneavoastra si a oamenilor ca dumneavoastra suntem încă în lumea a II-a. Vă întrebați de ce plecam din tară, de ce nu vă respectăm, însă votați doar pentru pensiile voastre si pentru cei 5 ani pe care îi mai aveti de trăit. Din cauza votului dumneavoastra si a gastii voastre de pensionari plecăm din România. Nu pentru că vrem, ci pentru că trebuie. Am o singură dorință în viață. Să vă văd pe dumneavoastra si pe ceilalți ca dumneavoastra cum votați responsabil si cu cap, gandidu-vă si la noi, tinerii si la clasa muncitoare, nu numai la buzunarul vostru. Vă plangeti de corupție, însă corupții nu fac nimic diferit de voi: îsi caută interesul propriu. O zi bună si drum bun! Să-l salutati pe sf Petru din partea noastră!
Ovidiu Moldovanu nu intelegeti nimic. Plecati, cu atitudinea asta nu cred c-o sa faceti multi purici …. Si sa mai stiti ceva: tineretul nu s-a dus la vot.
Ovidiu Moldovanu este saracutul marcat de probleme de bate campii cu atata gratie!
Eu am fost la vot si am îndemnat pe toată lumea să meargă. Trăim într-o tară liberă unde oamenii au dreptul să voteze sau să nu voteze. Nu zic de rezultatul votului nimic. A fost corect. Însă informati-va înainte de a pune ștampila. Gânditi-vă dacă este sustenabil un astfel de program de guvernare si abia apoi puneti ștampila.
Ovidiu Moldovanu poor brainwashed commie… you love to hate, don’t you?
Eu comunist? Cred că ati gresit tag-ul. Si da, urăsc să văd cum lumea votează doar pentru interesul propriu, în loc să privească imaginea de ansamblu. Dacă asta mă face un cetățean rău, nu stiu ce altceva m-ar face unul bun.
Gabri Ela mind your own bushwacks lady. The guy is right.
Old farts ruined this country with their PSD idiocy.
I don’t think we should do that yet. We should encourage them and teach them the true meaning of the European Union and of democracy, and how to preserve it. After that, they could vote responsibly at 18 years old.
True meaning of manners… that’s what’s lacking to certain people.
Of course, but the topic was 16-year-old voters
Wrong u think.
În acest caz nici “tinerii” peste 40 de ani nu ar trebui să aibă drept de vot. Să îsi vadă de planurile lor de pensionare.
Sure they should be given the right to vote. If its down to an argument that they are not capable of understanding the arguments, this also applies to pretty much everyone over 85. Either give them the right or take it away from old people.
Both actually.
Si că tot v-am prins, nu ati vrea dumneavoastra să vă duceți naibii? Probabil vă veti simti ofensata, însă mai frumos de atât nu pot spune. Din cauza dumneavoastra si a oamenilor ca dumneavoastra suntem încă în lumea a II-a. Vă întrebați de ce plecam din tară, de ce nu vă respectăm, însă votați doar pentru pensiile voastre si pentru cei 5 ani pe care îi mai aveti de trăit. Din cauza votului dumneavoastra si a gastii voastre de pensionari plecăm din România. Nu pentru că vrem, ci pentru că trebuie. Am o singură dorință în viață. Să vă văd pe dumneavoastra si pe ceilalți ca dumneavoastra cum votați responsabil si cu cap, gandidu-vă si la noi, tinerii si la clasa muncitoare, nu numai la buzunarul vostru. Vă plangeti de corupție, însă corupții nu fac nimic diferit de voi: îsi caută interesul propriu. O zi bună si drum bun! Să-l salutati pe sf Petru din partea noastră!
Never
someone’s been reading the conomist XD and yes
More people easy to manipulate. When adulthood is reached so hard here it comes a pseudo-problem. Rights come with obligations. What obligations can we impose on children? Teenagers are children, they should be protected.
They are allowed to get a job and pay taxes. They have a future in front of them. Why not let them vote ? Why let 90 years old vote for the future of the 16 years old while the 16 years old have no say ?
Anisia Popescu did the youth go to vote in December in Romania? No. They didn’t and we got the most corrupt and dangerous government and Parliament since 1989. They were so easily seduced by the saying “aceeasi mizerie”. They are still children and they are a sure prey for dangerous demagogues.
Lenilena Lorentz , unfortunately it was a lot of people in their 30es and 40es who did not vote either. But now the Romanians learned their lesson. The big issue is not that the young are just ignorant , it is that they lack a minimum of education in civics and ethics. Why should an Alzheimer’s be allowed to vote and not a 16 years old ? My mother and both her sisters had children before they were 18. They were responsible for both their marriages and for their children. I am not pleading for child labor nor for marriage before 18. But if a child is allowed to work and to marry when they are 16 with parental consent, I truly do not see why they would be denied the right to vote.
Anisia Popescu an Alzheimer person can’t vote as it has the legal capacity restrained – and that only after a procedure in the court of law. Now that you mentioned Alzheimer, without knowing of course that those poor people can’t vote, this shows some bias against old people, which is a clear symptom of the savagery towards this vulnerable category of population – our parents and our grandfathers – so manifest in Romania. Ceausescu too, considered old people (no, not himself, of course) good for nothing but good to be thrown out of towns, in “especially built villages”. You didn’t know this monstrosity, did you? Well, you’re too young.
Anisia Popescu and no, they can’t marry before 18 just on parents consent. See the NEW Civil Code.
Lenilena Lorentz , my mother in law had Alzheimer’s. Do you know how many years it took for the medical body to draw a report and then how many more months to get the judicial procedure completed ? Not to mention that while waiting for the judge to issue a decision, she died frozen in her courtyard a couple of months ago… so please spare me of arguing on something that I know too well.
Anisia Popescu I can’t spare you nothing dear, if you want people deprived of their rights on the spot, that’s your problem, not mine.
And if she died frozen in the courtyard that’s not medical body’s fault, is it?
I am not pleading for depriving people of their rights. On the contrary, I do believe that there are solid grounds for debating the issue of voting right for the young who are definitely entitled to such an honest discussion in the lawmaking bodies throughout Europe.
Anisia Popescu in that case 16 is a too high limit.
16 is a starting point for the discussion as in many democratic countries 16 is the age at which people are considered legally allowed to work and have the right to a driving licence, for instance.
Anisia Popescu and for drinking alcohol
Lenilena Lorentz , my point is that while legally speaking Alzheimer’s are denied the right to vote and drive a car, in practice, this is very rarely the case for very many reasons. My mother in law was seriously attained but she kept driving and putting her life and many innocent people life in danger for years . She also kept her voting right although she could not remember what dish she had just ordered in the restaurant. My point is, there are really no more objective and easy to implement rules to estblinshing the right to vote than the age limit. But again, I think people of 16 and 17 are in many instances just as entitled to vote as not only are they fully responsible and able to judge facts, get informed and form an opinion , but it is themselves who will have to bear for their whole life decisions like, for instance , the Brexit. I am not against the old, but I had so many thousand students in my courses and seminars throughout the years that I became very sensitive to the young in their late ´teens, and I have seen how maturely they can treat problems if they are offered the opportunity to deal with them ! I will always plead for treating the young with full consoderation before dismissing them as a partner of discussion or decision making.
Anisia Popescu your answer at my post is too big and reiterates the same idea, connecting old people with Alzheimer. You bring into discussion on and on your family and biography and I think you should dig there for your obstinacy at my post. Bye.
Lenilena Lorentz I also brought into discutions a few thousand students that I happened to teach during 10 years . But of course, you only quote the part that you prefer to see :)
yes! for christ sake! if i had voting rights earlier i’d have started earlier to interest myself about politics
no, they are just kids
They can have sex at 16. “Kids”.
Sex is not the same with voting. They do not know the implications for both actions. They think both are fun. And they are not.
no
Definately not! you are to easily lnflueneced at that age and you don’t really know how life is. Voting age should be 21.
And voting rights should be stripped after age 75.
Sure, but I’m 19 and I already pay loads of taxes. In that case, I go back to the old American slogan: “no taxation, without representation”.
And who do you think gave you free Mefical Health, free Education. Child allowance, and so forth. You got to start paying it back some time Rex!
No. Either you have reached the age of majority and you have all the privileges and responsibilities or you have not reached the age of majority. Voting is part of adulthood. To change the voting age then we must change the age of majority.
Pay some attention. Keep Europe together. All together NOW.
Eu am fost la vot si am îndemnat pe toată lumea să meargă. Trăim într-o tară liberă unde oamenii au dreptul să voteze sau să nu voteze. Nu zic de rezultatul votului nimic. A fost corect. Însă informati-va înainte de a pune ștampila. Gânditi-vă dacă este sustenabil un astfel de program de guvernare si abia apoi puneti ștampila.
No .If it’s not major and the law stipulated,that he has not enough conscience.Then let’s not push the border to make somebody winner.Because it’s going to have terrible conscience in the future…Let’s not change rules which were proven to be good for centuries…For a fake liberty…
No.
No they don’t know shit at that age!!!
The EU polity is divided into 2 distinctive groups- those who promote lowering the voting age (ALDE, Greens, Radical left, S&D, a sort of diplomatic squishy washy EEP- and the rest (ECR, EFDD) who spoke with a definite & “mature” voice AGAINST it.
One can reasonably assume the EP WOULD institute lowering the voting age to 16. What a desperate and immature decision that would be!
The same old issue was however addressed in 2015 already- here:
https://www.debatingeurope.eu/2015/05/14/should-16-year-olds-be-allowed-to-vote/#.WK8mcdR96t8
Why again? Didn’t it sink in last time? Trying hard? Some more debates:
http://debatepedia.idebate.org/en/index.php/Debate:_Should_the_voting_age_be_reduced_from_18_to_16%3F
Professional experts (as opposed to politicians) nowadays know that the AVERAGE brain is only fully developed by age 25. But, of course many politicians prefer & don’t need voters with matured brains.
An adolescent dilemma in human evolution is the onset of early sexual & physical maturity (diet). The possibility to prematurely work instead to study, enroll as a child soldier, arrogantly overestimate themselves- because their parents might have afforded them a better education than they had. That are all no valid reason to reduce the voting age. The opposite should be considered, to burst the bubble of self-delusion in both children & politicians.
Imagine the absurdness of the 16+ voting age group demanding a “youth pension” for being unemployed (an EU feature) to enable them to enjoy the “fruits of life”? Demanding HR “equality” with a 65 year old pensioner who worked hard for 45 years.
Politicians who lobby for such madness should be sent home and made to study human brain development first. Unfortunately, too much has to remain unsaid!
http://mentalhealthdaily.com/2015/02/18/at-what-age-is-the-brain-fully-developed/
No
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no
Bravo, mai e nevoie de ceva masă de manevră, usor de manipulat,cea a pensionarilor s-a împuținat?
Bravo, mai e nevoie de ceva masă de manevră, usor de manipulat,cea a pensionarilor s-a împuținat?
No, not mature enough …. but MALTA is an exception….both parties are in favour😒
No, not mature enough …. but MALTA is an exception….both parties are in favour
Lenilena Lorentz , my mother in law had Alzheimer’s. Do you know how many years it took for the medical body to draw a report and then how many more months to get the judicial procedure completed ? Not to mention that while waiting for the judge to issue a decision of tutorship , she died frozen in her courtyard a couple of months ago… so please spare me of arguing on something that I know too well.
No, they shouldn’t. Liberals started drawing only the short end of the straw now, and in order to turn the tide, they need the votes of the brainwashed, drug filled, young, stupid and impressionable kids. Fuck off, commies.
Simle answer: No
The younger, the easier to manipulate.
exactly
Ei, dacă ies la 2 ani ca să și exercite dreptul la asociere și să învețe conștiința civică, conform tuturor psihologilor care se ocupă de dezvoltarea copilului, de ce nu ar vota la 7 ani! Îi maturizam la foc automat pana la aceasta vârstă.
Ei, dacă ies la 2 ani ca să și exercite dreptul la asociere și să învețe conștiința civică, conform tuturor psihologilor care se ocupă de dezvoltarea copilului, de ce nu ar vota la 7 ani! Îi maturizam la foc automat pana la aceasta vârstă.
Not yet…most don’t understand the law.
Eu comunist? Cred că ati gresit tag-ul. Si da, urăsc să văd cum lumea votează doar pentru interesul propriu, în loc să privească imaginea de ansamblu. Dacă asta mă face un cetățean rău, nu stiu ce altceva m-ar face unul bun.
16-18 year olds may have preferences that suit one party which will loby for the right in order to raise its percentage
NO.
Sure. Because what we need is more stupid People voting.
Lol
Absolutely not, they do not have any maturity at all and will not take it seriously, they can also be easily manipulated by some groups and they will have diehard opinions on topics that they didnt event think about, that they just heard from some group and got brainwashed with.
Yes, they can vote, with one condition: to vote the establishment.
How democratic!!
What about If They vote anti-establishment?
Lenilena Lorentz , my point is that while legally speaking Alzheimer’s are denied the right to vote and drive a car, in practice, this is very rarely the case for very many reasons. My mother in law was seriously attained but she kept driving and putting her life and many innocent people life in danger for years . She also kept her voting right although she could not remember what dish she had just ordered in the restaurant. My point is, there are really no more objective and easy to implement rules to estblinshing the right to vote than the age limit. But again, I think people of 16 and 17 are in many instances just as entitled to vote as not only are they fully responsible and able to judge facts, get informed and form an opinion , but it is themselves who will have to bear for their whole life decisions like, for instance , the Brexit. I am not against the old, but I had so many thousand students in my courses and seminars throughout the years that I became very sensitive to the young in their late ´teens, and I have seen how maturely they can treat problems if they are offered the opportunity to deal with them ! I will always plead for treating the young with full consoderation before dismissing them as a partner of discussion or decision making.
Er zijn zo waanzinnig veel achttienplussers die Nederland niet op de kaart aan kunnen wijzen.
Never. They are dumb fcksticks. The voting rights should be restricted to people who are net contributors to state and/or people who serve voluntarily in Army.
So..the rich and the jarheads – got it.
nope
If senile 80 years can vote…then 16 year olds should too.
NO.
No, there may be some good people that age (I’m 14 actually) but most aren’t capable to understand politics
erección reform ???
That’s a hard one to follow!
erección reform ???
NO!
În Suedia tinerii 16 – 18 votează doar consultativ cu 2 sapt. Înainte de alegerile propriu-zise
În Suedia tinerii 16 – 18 votează doar consultativ cu 2 sapt. Înainte de alegerile propriu-zise
No.
Yes !if you can pay tax, as you can do in the uk at 16 ,then you should have a say!
No
Aa long as there is a ministry in every european country that deals with EDUCATION, the policies concerning which, directly affect 16 year olds, then 16 year olds SHOULD vote! Paying taxes shouldn’t be the only criterion for eligibility to vote!
Since Education means: Teaching without ideological influence.
Ideological awareness, social policy and political rhetoric should be taught as should basic critical thinking which is what 60% of the electorate in our country are lacking.
Zadig, Karolína
Alley :p
Zadig, Karolína
No.
I would also exclude illiterate people from voting.
No
No .
16 year olds? How about ex-pats?
or imigrants :))))))
No.
Yes, if experience of other countries is relevant !
no
Of course! If their work experience is longer than 1 year!
ofcourse not … i had no idea back then of what was going on and i didnt even then agree to vote … this would be a very easy propaganda just give them the ability to vote and take advantage of their imaturity
FOLSE Giorgos Karabelas power to the ppol we support child voting we support freedom of stupidity
DOUBLE FOLSE we support propaganda and mind control by acting like liberals
DUUH OFCORSE END WE WND FASCISIST LIKE THEY
Its not like your computer-incompetent grandma is not easy to be influenced by stuff she read online…
No, unless they are working and pay taxes
no 16yo should not have right to vote, they can’t have a critic thought on politics
Leftists always want the voting age to be lowered, because younger people vote left, whilst conservatives always want the age raised, because older people are more conservative. Pathetic little political game by Debating Europe.
No simple as this …
no
No way.
Oh, no!
No. I was stupid at 16.
Not necesarily
I don’t think it’s right decision – young people tend to be too passionate and extremist in their views.
Yes. Of course! They can, work, drink and drive. Vote should be the first of all. Besides they great ideas and deserve to be heard
Hell no
No.
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Se pare ca si cei de 18-19 ani tot stanga voteaza, statistica asa zice, ca sunt influentati de varstnici. Abia cei peste 20 de ani voteaza in cunostinta de cauza. Desi nu e democratic, eu as sustine dreptul la vot doar intre 21-65 de ani. Si dupa 65 de ani sa nu mai existe picior de politician in functie.
No!!!!
Hell yes, right after a year of lectureson social policy, ideology and political rhetoric
https://www.facebook.com/liviuplesoianu.oficial/photos/a.1456823171201424.1073741828.1413816785502063/1810094975874240/?type=3
No. They can not take care of themselves how than they can understand the world? They are still kids with big, big problems at that age.
In the UK you can join the army. If you can legally be sent over seas to die/kill people you should be able to vote.
The military is a job. I don’t see why doing that job somehow makes you politically savvy enough to vote.
Under 18’s in the army are kept back in a seperate company doing training till they are old enough …. no under 18 is sent into conflict
Ashton Spina I would rather have a 16 year old who is working voting that a 21 year old student (could even be older if they go on for the full academic journey).
On one side there is a age gap, on the other a work/life experience gap. The 16 year old is working and paying taxes. No taxation without representation, if a person can work and support the state with tax, they should be allowed to vote.
As for being politically savvy (setting that as a bench mark), none of us are, expect our politicians. If we set the bar at that, 90% of people would not be allowed to vote.
You can also get married.
………..@ all the “you can’s” & you “can also”… etc. Getting married at 16 usually needs the parents consent. You “can also” take a chance & hope that the responsibility of motherhood, child-rearing & the appropriateness in social behavior will be taken over by parents & “government”. In Islam children must reach “ashuddah”.
Of course, you also “can” get divorced with 16, have your baby taken care by your parents or social services. You “can also” regret to have married with 16, wonder about the immature decision taken and contemplate suicide or take drugs to drown out your stupidity.
Usually it is more difficult to manage a wife, a husband a marriage- than to manage a country. Recorded by the thousand of divorces/year. A government can be divorced & remarried every 5 years.
Is that after their second child?
No
Of course, the sooner the better. It worked in the Scottish referendum .
If we can’t film 16 yo cunts when we have sex with them, they should not be able to vote. How about women all ages not voting. Why not?! They listen to their hearts not minds.
#patriarchy
Only if they can vote on line because at the vote on the referendum they couldn’t get out of bed to vote and then only 26 percent made it but the press said 75 voted to remain Forgot to explain the turnout 😬. 😬 🇪🇸
They were not allowed to vote.
I no the figures was based on the ones that was allowed to vote 😁. 😁. 🇪🇸
Only if they can vote on line because at the vote on the referendum they couldn’t get out of bed to vote and then only 26 percent made it but the press said 75 voted to remain Forgot to explain the turnout .
I no the figures was based on the ones that was allowed to vote ?. ?. ??
Not on your life, most ov em are still sucking their thumbs with their head in the clouds!!!! Mind you, some people never progress from that state either!!!🤣
Not on your life, most ov em are still sucking their thumbs with their head in the clouds!!!! Mind you, some people never progress from that state either!!!
No taxation without representation!
you think we have problems now?
Yes.
I understand that with time passing by, people mature in a very young age but still, 16 year olds are so naive and lack of critical thinking
Iran has given its 16-year olds the right to vote, and in Austria 17-year olds vote. In both countries the far Right is either in the government or very close to it.
I am against very young people voting.
They are an extremely EASY PREY FOR POPULISTS.
Nu !
YES.
NO
Is this a serious question? Let them vote at 16 when they have done some military or community service! Oh wait they would have to have actually worked first and gained some life experience.
Only those who can earn their own living, should be allowed to vote. Those who live on the cost of their parents, NO. If they cannot live as independent individuals, how can they make an independent vote?
Logical conclusion would be that also all bamboccioni should be forbidden to vote….
That’s actually a good idea…
To znaczy uznać za pełnoletnich 16 latki, matura w tym wieku!
magister od razu..
To znaczy uznać za pełnoletnich 16 latki, matura w tym wieku!
No…
Fuck the EU!
Giwrgos
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BLOODY HELL NO
Can 70-year-olds?
It is sad that young people’s wisdom and intelligence are underestimated so much… The amount of disrespect that adults have towards under 18s doesn’t show much maturity either… Calling a child of whatever age stupid or an idiot just shows the amount of rejection and negativity children and young people have to go through until they reach 18. This is enough to make them grow up early… At 16 they are already perfectly capable of forming their own opinion. Those who can’t, or are not interested in politics (just like it is with adults) will simply choose not to vote. Voting age should be lowered to 16. Young people should have a say on their future. Their brains are developed enough for that. Once upon a time men thought that women are too stupid to vote…
Its for every nation to decide for itself though personally I would say if you pay tax you get a vote .That obviously falls apart if your Greek :)
I think 16 year olds should be given the right to vote because we are all equal and we should all be given the same rights. They should be given the choice as they can learn how to make big decisions in their life.
I think 16 year olds should be given the right to vote as we are all equal . They should be given the choice to vote as they experience what it is actually like and what a big decision is to be made; they can bet given the right to make big decisions in their life.
I think they should be given the chance to vote because it will give 16 and 17 year olds more responsibilty. They will feel included in important matters.
Yes!
They should learn how to spell and write correctly first. :D
yes because it will help them in the future when they can vote for more serious things
Should the 60 years old ‘establishment” vote? I think NO. See 2 generations of Irish,3 generations of Greeks etc.etc. are going to pay for the “ELITE” of neoliberal economists.
16 year olds should be able to vote, because it allows them to get experience and to be more interested in the news or politics.
We don’t think at 16 years old, teenagers can discern the country’s policie, because they are influenced by their parents or teachers.
The brain of any teenager is not fully developed until they are in their mid 20 to 30. So in reality, 18 year olds should vote as they have not reached adulthood. Also if 16 year olds committed a crime they will be said that they are a child and doesn’t need to go to jail.
16 year olds should be able to vote, because it allows them to get experience and to be more interested in the news or politics.
The brain is fully developed first at the age of 25, which means that young people of 16 should not be able to vote because they are still children and can not fully take care of themselves – then why should 16-year-olds be able to vote?
Many young people at the age of 16 are very insecure in themselves and change back and forth – also different opinions, therefore it is not realistic to allow 16 year olds to vote because they are not fully mature to take own decisions that are favorable to their own future.
Some claim that 16 years old teenagers should have the possibility to vote because it allows them to experience and be more interested in the news, politics and knowledge. There is some truth in it, but once again – 16 years old teenagers are not fully mature to take own decisions. They can get access to knowledge in other ways than to make it able for them to vote at an age of only 16.
I do not trust 16 years old teenagers to vote for my future to be honest – I believe that when you have a certain age you are probably mature and ready to vote – it should not be a competition which country who has the lowest age of voting.
No. There are to young to take responsabilities. Revolutions are in their hards and politicians knows how to control their minds
Yes because old people don’t vote for fascists
… off course not. And, in addition, people aged over 75 (or so…) should stop voting. In democracies people decide the short term and long term future of the country. I don’t know how to sell this idea, but if young people are more acquainted to vote for a long road of their future, I don’t know at which age a vote of older people stop concerning about their long range future, and should refrain to vote (I know that ageism is not acceptable), but a new mindset about the number of votes per citizen, interval of age and other considerations that should apply. A new thinking must start as voting must overpass the old model: one man one vote, and improve it, modernize it…
there are already too many people micromanaging you through the state. I don’t think giving power to even more people will solve any problems.
Lol second time in a month the political establishment wish to have teen agers vote for the left. Be careful there is growing evidence the younger crèche raised generation are more conservative then many before it. You might not get the votes you think you will.
Mostly youngsters vote for the neoliberals, and nowadays they need this vote it is the only one that left for the liberals ;)
It should be 21.
When you going to ask more serious questions like “Will EU start to support peace in Syria”. Will EU put sanctions on US for another violation of the international law”. Should EU leaders be convicted of crimes in Syria” – much more important questions! But noo… you ask this shit for 21st time and usually get the same answers which is NO!!
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Why bother, they don’t get of bed to vote at 18 so why would they at 16 ?
You ask each month the same – until you like the result, or what??? Adults should elect, people who are RESPONSIBLE for their own life. Are 16-years-old adult – No.
Only if they can be also held fully responsible for their actions under the criminal law, as adults.
You either have the rights *and* obligations of an adult or not.
Some 50 year olds shouldn’t
Some 50 year olds shouldn’t
Some 50 year olds shouldn’t
All hail president Justin bieber and vice president Miley Cyrus
You launch this question over and over again. I read it at least 10x already! Given the dog a bone!
No, unless they work and pay taxes
Hahahahahahahahahahahaha…no, their minds are ravaged by hormones, and in that stage many are semi-radicalized by various philosophies and systems they ”discovered” and are sure are the one and only truth. If anything, it should be raised to 20-25.
absolutly not, not even the 18’ers are prepared to vote…
very easy to manipulate in every direction…
I started to think that even 18 is too soon…
vote should start at least at 21 or better at 25
No . Are you nuts !!!???
Good joke’!!!
not even the 18’ers are ready to vote
With aging population there is the danger that governments make policies that appeal only to older voters. Furthermore, older voters are less likely to bear the consequences of long term policies. It is up to the education system prepare the 16 year olds to vote. One last thing older people are sometimes out-of-touch with reality e.g. my grandmother doesnt understand why you need computers, so there can be an argument for not allowing over 85s to vote for instance. As it is such a complex issue better left as it is.
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NO !! Too young to onderstend the politics..
There should also be an upper limit …
Well, there are many people eligible to vote that don’t understand politics, so that’s not a really good argument is it?
Rui Barbosa Well, I hope you realise how that is a problem. At least let’s not make it worse. What you are saying is similar to that argument saying that, “well white Europeans also kill people, so this doesn’t mean that Muslim immigrants are worse if some of them kill people”. No, it doesn’t mean that, but it does mean more dead people. Or in your case, more people having no idea what they are voting for. Ideally people should be very well informed about what they are voting, but testing everybody is almost impossible. So let’s try not to make this worse than it already is.
Diaconu George Razvan No, there shouldn’t. Why ? Simply because there are 70 or 80yo people who are still active, maybe very smart, working, paying taxes. They can be lawyers, doctors, teachers, writers, actors etc. Ok then, you might say, then let’s only let these ones vote. Sure, let’s only let old people who pay taxes vote.
But then, you’ll realize that some or maybe many young people do not work and do not pay taxes.
If you go this way, you’ll get to the conclusion that only the rich ones should vote, or maybe only those having a job can vote, which will leave everybody opposing the ruling party jobless so they cannot vote during the next elections. In just about 10-15 years you’ll get a very nice dictatorship.
But if you are talking about the mental health of those who are voting, then I agree. People having this type of problem, legally cannot vote
(old or young). But at the same time not all people voting are getting tested, which is weird.
Also, schools should have more classes about politics, starting early. You cannot test everybody before voting and see what they know about politics, but you can test them during school, until they are 18. According to those exam results, you should get, or not, the right to vote. Even so, this method is flawed since some teachers might fail students just because they disagree with their political views, or help them if it fits their agenda.
So, basically, all we can do is try to educate people. Democracy has no value if people have the right to take decisions and vote, but have no idea what they are voting for. Sadly, democracy for stupid people is just chaos.
No. Minors have very limited responsibility therefore cannot vote.
I would give it to them but only as a reward to good students. That is unless your average last year was above a certain percent you can’t vote.
…so you can buy their votes with high grades or prevent them to vote if you know they have different political views. Smart ;) You’ll have a bright future in politics.
Yeah, Angela Merkel is gonna come into a classroom, see that she doesn’t like some child and tell the teacher to give it bad grades. Or teachers are going to ask children who they will vote for and manipulate the election on mass. LOL.
Then we should also ban parents to tell their 18 year old chiildren or their children that are in college age to say: ‘If you vote for party XY I will throw you out my house.’. Or: ‘If you don’t vote for party XY I will throw you out my house.’.
If we are gonna be this sceptical, then there are already hundreds of other ways to rig an election and having one more way to rig an election would make no difference.
Yes, in local elections.
first of all, does the vote really matters, second of all, why would anyone bother with them when they have other categories to easily play around? and sadly… does anyone reckons that the youth today is any shape of deciding something, in any matter??
Voting shouldn’t be a matter of age, before voting people should compile a test where they show the knowledge of what each candidate has to offer, if they have the knowledge they are allowed to vote if not they are not. Because there are too many people that give the vote without even thinking a bit or knowing the basic program of that candidates political party. Why should people that care about some country’s future be penalised by brainless people that will vote based on one commercial they randomly saw and than months later complain about it. So yes to the 16 year old voting, but only if they know what they are voting for. Knowing for what are you voting should be your duty, and if you don’t care about it enough to inform yourself about all the possibilities in that election, you don’t deserve it. (Don’t get me wrong, it’s not my wish to take away some civil rights, just to motivate people into being better citizens, thinking and fighting for their choices, because voting IS important) The flaw I see in my point of view is that it could be hard to test if someone is mature enough to understand why they prefer one choice over the other choices.
Exact same view here. It’s a very difficult topic and one worth discussing about. But I fear most of the people would revolt before any of these was implemented. The thing is, it’s not only about knowing the agendas, but also knowing their motivations and consequences. And that is also really hard to understand and evaluate.
Yes, they should be given the vote.
“Only if they also bear full criminal etc responsibility too.
Either you’re a responsible adult/person or not.”
Bódis Kata 16 year old;s voted in the Scottish referendum in 2014 and I can assure you they did understand why they were voting
Only if they also bear full criminal etc responsibility too.
Either you’re a responsible adult or not.
1-year-olds is ‘better”….
Ofcourse they should have the right to vote. The society would only benefit of a more idealistic vote. Our minds are already corrupted and we only vote to fix things instead of voting to shape future. At that age they vote ideas. We mostly vote people.
Instead of us voting on how We think their future should be, they should decide.
They should be educated as a new generation which understands politics economics and how to vote rationally. What is to be a citizen with a vote? Which are the threats and the issues someone should have in mind Also they should be trained on voting in smaller scale issues which have direct outcome to them. Democracy is as good as the quality of its voters. It should not be put lightly. Don’t forget that many dictators have risen to power through popular vote by uneducated misquided irrational voters.
Yes, i yes they are young enough to have sex they’re old enough to vote for their future and future of their kids if they get pregnant
This brings up an even more important issue: should adolescents be sterilized?
All Muslim and drink Europe castrate and sterilize
President skrillex no thanks, I’d rather take Caligula
NO!!!
Voting age should be 21.
If they are allowed to have children, they should be allowed to have their voices, too.
No, the children should be free of being pressured by all this political influence.
Actually!?
Given the fact, that the human brain finishes evolution at 21 years, I should be 21 years as legal voting age.
Actually!?
Given the fact, that the human brain finishes evolution at 21 years, I should be 21 years as legal voting age.
Actually!?
Given the fact, that the human brain finishes evolution at 21 years, I should be 21 years as legal voting age.
Actually!?
Given the fact, that the human brain finishes evolution at 21 years, I should be 21 years as legal voting age.
No !
no !
16 anni e una età ancora prematura per avere diritto di votare. .quindi io dico no
Considering that people can vote after 75 years old maybe it wouldn’t be a bad idea at all to balance the old and the young representation in the elections.
Fuck that they would for libtards eu huggers multiculturalists, Muslim apologists, more Islamic terrorists invaders, rapists etc
21…
21
Never , 21 …
No is like giving explosives to kids … 18 is more appropriate.
Why 16? Why not 7? Maybe…4? That moment when they start to go to kindergarden it’s good enough, they know about yes and no and it’s funny to put a stamp on a paper
16 years old is indeed early to vote.. I would suggest though not allowing to elderly people to vote.. for the same and ever more reasons.. I appreciate and respect their age and their wisdom but not being able to judge properly on your everyday life proves that you cannot also clearly decide for the future of the young generations..
When my son was 16 he was the most sensible child I knew, but God forbid he should vote ! He was a child with infantile ideas …give them time to grow up !
If a kid can be recruited into the British armed forces at 16 years and 9 months old then yes, they should be able to vote. If they’re grown up enough to put their lives on the line they are grown up enough to be able to vote on the issus that put them in that position.
No they may still be getting pocket money and haven’t learned that one needs to work to keep a roof over one’s head, pay the bills and to achieve anything. I think it should be raised to 21 to voters experience the harsh realities of life.
No! They are too young for deciding about the future of one’s land. If you give them a right to vote, next will be sexuality, or right to weapons! NO! A big, fat NO!
Why not starting from 6 years lol
No, unless they are working and pay taxes!
absolutly not… not even the 18’ers are ready for the important matter of votting…
nothing in school is teached about real life, politics, partys, taxes, wages, how to fill a simple form…
No….
No. It should be somewhere after 21, better – 25.
No….most are not mature enough or responsible. . Moreover, you are young once in your life for a short period. ..let them enjoy life ….
No.
It should be after 25.
After they get involved well in society, working and pay taxes
…of course….not…!!!
No. 18 years is the right age. That is when you enter society as an adult, and that’s when you start getting treated the same as others. It should remain at 18
NO for a simple reason:
This is all about politicians looking for more votes!
It has nothing to do with rights of young people!
NO for a simple reason:
This is all about politicians looking for more votes!
It has nothing to do with rights of young people!
No. 21. Or we can go to marriages wiht 6 yrs old soon, according to your polls, smh
No !! Should be 21.
Absolutely no. Leave them enjoy life still. And not make them toys for the old political parties who are just looking for “people ” to fill their electoral meetings.
35 could be good age limit. And only those paying taxes should be allowed to vote.
YES TO DAMN RIGHT THEY SHOULD – THEY HAVE ALL THE RESPONSIBILITIES BUT NOT ALL OF THE RIGHTS ESPECIALLY THE FRANCHISE !!!!!!!!!
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If they are also subject to the draft, and answer for crimes like adults. You are essentially suggesting that the legal age be moved to 16, with all the rights and responsibilities that come with it
I totally agree!
Absolutely no. They are too young to understand politics, there are manipulated very easy. Not 16, but i will say to increase the age up to 21.
Adult people can not be manipulated, can they ? Witzig , funny.
No, too inexperienced and not familiar with politics to decide anything important at that age.
On the one hand they may no understand all the issues, but then neither does anyone over 90. To make it fair, they should either be given the vote, or everyone over 85 should lose the right to vote
Complete nonsense. You are falsely claiming noone at 16 undestands politics, and noone over 90, and using that as argument to not let them vote.
Apart from those assumptions being false, it also implies anyone between those ages does understand about politics, which is clearly also false.
On top of that, “understanding politics” is not an all-or-nothing issue.
I have a better solution: we make you offier-in-charge of vetting all individuals in your country, and deciding on a case-by-case basis if they understand politics enough to be allowed to vote.
Sounds fair? Sounds workable?
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Have you not seen the reports from the UK about ‘students’ voting for Corbyn ?, in some cases two or three times, they fell for his lies hook, line & sinker. Clearly they do not have the kind of understanding of politicians that can only come with age & life experiences. .
He told them he would pay off all their debts & they fell for it.
Proof enough the voting age should be raised, not lowered.
yeah and old farts fell for May’s ”strong and stable” bullshit. Before that old people fell for ”350 million a week to NHS” Brexit bullshit. Its not about the age, buddy, education is what matters. And brits dont have the education to make an informed decision.
Ah you want to exclude voters who fall for the politicians you do not like, and include only those who fall for the lies of politicians you do like. Brilliant!
Martin van Boven .
The question is about where to set the age for voting, would you be happy to lower it 10 years of age so as not to exclude teenagers ?.
1. Corbyn during the election said he would pay off ‘all’ student debt, he now admits that he would not & that his party said it just to get the student vote = lie
2. Corbyn during the election said he would listen to the needs of students but now wants to turn Britain into Europe version of Venezuela = another blatant lie.
3. There is currently an investigation under way into students voting 3 + times using their friends ballot papers with the possible collusion of Corbyn’s party, do you consider this to be acceptable ‘adult’ behaviour ?
This is the reality of what Corbyn offered students so you tell me, do 16 year old have the life skills to make an informed decision ?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z5J47Y25If0
Absoutely not.
I agree with Razvan on the point about maturity. At 16, youth are not mature enough in my point of view. If we want to get youngsters more involved in the political life of their society and of the EU, we can find other ways of doing that which do not place a “weapon” such as the right to vote in the hands of what are considered to be children. Remember, for instance, that the Convention on the Rights of the Child considers children to be humans under the age of 18, unless there are national provisions pointing otherwise (but still not less than 16). This means that for the majority of the countries in the world, 18 is the threshold of adulthood. What we can do, for example, is encourage teenagers to join political parties and NGOs and to become more involved in political activism at the local, National and International level. This is, we can incentivize their active citizenship in ways that don’t involve voting.
hell NO, they are so stupid
I don’t think it’s the lack of capability, but the lack of interest. Hardly any would vote at all.
No ,they are not mature enough for so many rights and responsibilities…Why such rush…? Is very important to have work experience as the majority of election parties focusing at the financial sector. Is also important to want to vote and to have open mind..
Right to vote is what give you full citizen rights (as voters has the power to change laws)… So if you want to give 16 years old right to vote they should receive full list rights … Right to drive, to enter pubs and buy alcohol and cigarettes, to marry, to travel without adult supervision, right to go to Amsterdam red district and hire whoever they want, right to joined military or police and bear arms or serve on the front lines where EU country has presence …
Full rights in most countries is at 25. Try renting anything before that. Your point is rendered moot by this. Frankly there needs to be a competency test to vote. Start it at 16. Those cleared vote.
No, because 16-years-olds have not life experience and enough education. We know by the medicine, that adult age is 18-years-old.
NO 16 year olds should not be given the right to vote
Their brain is not enough developed to understand lot of things in every day life.
They don’t understand long term issues…
So , NO !
People should vote ONLY after 5 years of work so they see the real life .
Very smart. I agree.
Only if they have also full criminal and contractual responsibility too.
You are either a responsible adult in *all ways* or not.
So… 25 years old then. Most countries only allow rentals at this age. Seems like full adulthood to rent a place to live or a car
By your definition nobody is a responsible adult.
That’s incorrect.
The laws determine the rights and responsibilities.
Yes they bloody dam well should stop wrapping them in cotton wool
I’m not sure if most people can become mature during those two years, even during five years until they reach 21… Who’s going to determine what maturity is? Even less sure about not letting to vote people over 90 (Maybe we want even less rights for older people… Not me). The point has been explained previously, I think: what we’re talking about is the absolute legal responsability, and “suggesting that the legal age be moved to 16”. Legal age to vote is associated to the rest of rights, duties and redponsability of being legally ‘mature’.
If 75rs are 16ers should.
No, they are just kids, 21 would be a better choice.
Why not give it to babies?
Should people over 65 allowed to vote?
Not all of them. They should be a voter-test for all voters! ;)
Martin Michael Monz I do agree, but that’s the paradox, who can determine witch one is to vote?
General non partisan compitancy exam
Yes! ;)
Yes, most of them are far more enlightened than the so-called adults.
Of course not.
If i think how i was at 16, then i would say they shouldn’t even be allowed to cross the street alone
Right? 😂
If i think how i was at 16, then i would say they shouldn’t even be allowed to cross the street alone
If i think how i was at 16, then i would say they shouldn’t even be allowed to cross the street alone
If i think how i was at 16, then i would say they shouldn’t even be allowed to cross the street alone
If i think how i was at 16, then i would say they shouldn’t even be allowed to cross the street alone
If i think how i was at 16, then i would say they shouldn’t even be allowed to cross the street alone
If i think how i was at 16, then i would say they shouldn’t even be allowed to cross the street alone
Of course
My sons and daughter are devastated by the brexit vote. My 12 year old thanks to brexit is passionate about politics and follows it very closely. They had a mock election in his class and he stood as a libdem and won. If anything the younger vote would rebalance the system even with our archaic FPTP which was designed in the day when it was the prerogative of the landed gentry to set the course of the country.
No. I know they already have it in Austria. The vote should be a highly appreciated right. But here we can tell them when to be home, not to drink alcohol or smoke (yes, thank you EU) – but they can elect the political representation of their choice. That is not very balanced.
No. At 16 in most European countries people still aren’t allowed to drink alcohol and drive cars. Yet you want to give them the say in how the country is governed? They are still kids. Even at 18 they are still kids and most of them have no idea how politics works.
I believe in fact there shouldn’t be an election reform. There should be an education reform and we should start teaching kids at school how a democracy works and how the EU works. You can’t have adequate voters if they know nothing about politics and how their country is governed.
At that impressionable age, when for most of them can be so easily manipulated into extremities? Ok, elder ones aren’t all fit for such decisions either…
One could show many adults who shouldn’t vote due to … lack of maturity and many teens who deserve to vote due to ability to THINK. Any way we need to balance out and 18 years age is a good age. The biggest PROBLEM and theme for discussion is people to have a reason and see value in … going to vote.
Oh God NO, put it back to 21 instead, and also add a driving licence-like permit to obtain to vote, with a civic and historical little exam to sit before freaking ruin the lives of millions of people with an ignorant voting session. This idea is the contrary of what we need, 16-year-olds in Italy cannot distinguish a valuable wine from a shitty tequila, what are we talking about? I was so stupid at 16 I wonder how you can even think of putting part pf the future of an entire nation or continent into the hands of an adolescent, who loves you now and hates you the moment after. C’mon guys. C’mon.
I wonder if you yourself would qualify for the ‘driving licence like permit’.
Don’t worry Nina, i would with no hesitation. Anyway since you do not know anything about me, my titles, my experience, my job or my interests, moving a personal attack towards me just for an idea shown in a comment on Facebook is not very nice of you, and not very intelligent whatsoever. Good day.
WHAT CAN YOU DO WITH A VOTE ???? ….IF YOU DON’T KNOW HOW DEMOCRACY WORKS???? RESTORE DEMOCRACY FIRST AND STOP SPREADING ILLUSIONS ….IN A TYRANNICAL POLITICAL SYSTEM YOU CAN’T SPEAK OF DEMOCRACY . MORONS!
The turn over at the polls for people aged 18-26 is low everywhere and policies are biased in favor of more elderly population who is more numerous and participate often to the vote. If we give right to vote to 16 years old and they don’t vote we don’t change anything. But if we give right to vote to 16 years old and they vote it will be better.
The question would be if all of us over 18, should be allow to vote..
The only reason this is being considered is because the EU wants more ignorant and impressionable people voting. The more someone knows about the real world, the less ignorant they become. Most 16 year-olds don’t know much. If anything we should raise the voting age to 21 as another commenter suggested.
I work at the street and speak with many people every day. I usually find that 16 year olds understand better the world we live in today and are more compassionate than many adults. At least they should be given vote over things that will affect their lives.
Yes !!!
Mentor a pe she kjo me votu prej moshes 16 vjeç o debat ne krejt Europen bile ne Austri munden me votu.
I know what they want.
In fact minimum age to vote should be raised to 30. Young people don’t have enough experience.
Again? No.
Claro que sí deberían poder votar… No se en otros países, pero en España con 16 años puedes trabajar, pagar impuestos, conducir una moto… Y otra serie de obligaciones y derechos, porqué no van a elegir a los gobiernos, acaso un señor/ es de 50 años está más informada que un chaval?.
You should be able to drink before you can vote.
Well, considering there are 15 year-old minded 45 year-old adult citizens voting… it might not be far worrying actually.
Yeah, it would be a perfect way for politicians to manipulate them – they have no memory of who is who in this world….
No ! Not all aware enough , most could be easily manipulated ! Unless , the school system and the education system us willing to politically educate them , and point them into the right direction !
No no no, when you pay tax then you can vote, “no taxation no represination”
Better give them guns,weed and porno!
Better give them guns,weed and porno!
Better give them guns,weed and porno!
Better give them guns,weed and porno!
Better give them guns,weed and porno!
Better give them guns,weed and porno!
Better give them guns,weed and porno!
No, they are not old enough to think for themselves.
NOOOO
No. Besides we must get rid of democracy. Democracy is still a form of tyranny.
absolutly not…
and even 18’rs are not ready or prepared for the very important matter of votting…
Yes ,if they want to .My brother had socialist ideas by the time he was 16 .
Yes of course, after some children pay taxes.
Yes. Unless you want the growing population of over 55s to decide the future of Europe without consulting those who will have to live in it?
Not yet ,thei must knou more abaut the past to have a good reasones !
Last week a 14 and 16 year old laughed while a man died in front on their eyes. They streamed it on FB live and never reported what they saw. So no, in fact, increase the age limit.
Definitely not lower it.
But put an agelimit on 60 yo and older not allowed to vote in referendums that will effect younger persons
Muslim families have a lot of children.
Arn Houthooft
Too early in my opinion
no f way … go the other way !!! maybe 21 … with conditions !!
Could I distribute your money?!
Even some adults shouldn’t be allowed to vote….
Unfortunately age has nothing to do with menthal capacity and citizen qualities. There are many children, even younger than 16 that would be responsible and thoughtful voters and even more technical adults who barely have an idea what is it all about.
The age census is quite ineffective method to define who can or cannot vote. In my opinion at least.
Absolutely not. But, instead to be increased at 21 years when you are mature enough.
Mature at 21;🙂😂😂😂
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16 day can have sex children they should vote also.
9y.o. can have sex, that doesn’t mean they are mature and understand what’s going on in politics and world.
l sex by law
help me!!!freedom for catalonia,ahora mismo estan pegando a los ancianos
help me europa!!!freedom for catalonia
This a joke right? Maybe you guy’s mean vote for the design of the next PlayStation
have you ever heard a 16 year old talk about politics?
if you are proposing this probably not
“So, are you a fascist or a communist?”
and another 16 years old answers “I’m beyond labels!!”
Yes i have … Modern studies at Peterhead Academy … Couple of people in my class took an interest in it and were more politically engaged than adults i know today are … Should adults that dont engage themselves in debate about politics be allowed to vote? … If you are arguing that because you havnt seen a 16yr old speak about politics they shouldnt vote then surely you would agree older people that dont take interest shouldnt get to vote 🤔
I don’t want sixteeners to vote because I’ve seen them talk politics. Even worse I remember myself doing it
You mean to give kids with hormones so high that their feelings are messed up and when their mother calls for dinner they scream at her to die or just go there angrily to eat? Kids that dont know what they want for themselves to choose the future of the country? These same kids that play videogames and their biggest drama is that the girl/boy they love doesn’t love them back? No. Voting age should rise to 21 and only educated people should be given the right to vote. Here we got gypsies with 3rd grade of school at the age of 25 voting because they got money for it. Usually they dont even know what they are voting for.
And at 15-year-olds give them a gun’ ….
Why ??? because they can ? because they are capabele ? because you wanna see justin bieber as presiden of some country….. Why ???
NO. And only working people / tax paying pople
You mean unemployed must not vote?
Ioanna Kyprianidou they must and should vote if they have a history of work. I was aiming for the ones that never worked and don’t want to work and live off social wellfare.
Why 16 & not 14 or even 12 ? The stupidest of stupid ideas.
No! It should be risen to 23, just like the age of adulthood.
No fucking way
Yes ! It makes sense.They can be arrested (judged as adults) and can get married here in Portugal.
Is not a problem of Age, is a problem of mental mature.
There should be an upper age limit. Why should a 75 year old vote for something when they will be dead soon and not have to experience the consequences! I’m old and most people my age and older are selfish old gits who don’t care about the young and just preach at them.
Too young, easy to be manipulated by politicians.
They want uneducated 16 yo to vote so they can push socialism. Socialism is for unemployed, uneducated people
The Vote is not a trust,but a right based of citizenship , age, and healh qualification and legal integrity! If the young meet tthese criterias , Yes . teenenager vote is a mirror of the family, school, friends, and politicians too.
No! We should change the election system. Why should someone has a right to vote just because he turned 18 years old? People should vote by system where could vote only those, who are educated, and have at least a little bit of political knowledge. For example; many 16 years old people has a better knowledge about politic, while many many older people don’t even know a single thing about it… Age should not play the role in election system….
Are you saying it should be based on your intelligence? I am not sure if you are having a laugh or if you are actually saying people should have to pass an exam to vote.
Actually something like that…Why could vote someone who don’t have a knowledge about politic? Young or old no matter
David Scott Not on your intelligence as that would be unfair. But on your knowledge about the consequences of voting.
Exactly Borges RS
Food for thought …m homeless people get no votes at all!!!
Yes!! Because if they get excluded, are the most conservative people that vote and therefore decide their future … best example is the Brexit …
Yes, as long as they are paying taxes. If you’re not contributing (or have contributed) to the system, i don’t see why you should have a say in how it is run. No taxation without representation, no representation without taxation.
There are a lot of people of voting age that don’t contribute to the society? how can you qunatify? if you can work , you can vote!
Those who do not contribute to society shouldn’t be allowed to vote either. Rather than ”if you CAN work, you can vote”, It should be ”if you HAVE worked, (or if you have paid taxes), you can vote.” The right to vote should be earned by making a contribution first.
Pete Duncan And the long-term unemployed? No say in their fate?
In some US states, if you have been in prison you never vote again
Voting should be obligatory for everyone (exceptions for the sick of course).
Michael Hales I think i covered that by making it clear that if you HAD worked or paid taxes (past tense) you would qualify. But someone who had never worked, or never contributed any other form of taxation, wouldn’t.
Lately this group is suffering a lot because of muslim predactors… rapes and so on… perhaps is time to let them vote. Who should never be allowed to vote was the f… goatfuckers and their families
Yess.0
once in a lifetime
Yes! Democracy is based around the rights of citizens to hold authority to account, 16 yos, who can work and get arrested should have the right to vote
It means nothing , there are 40,60 years old persons who don’t understand anything about politics .
No one should have the vote until they are married with children.
People should have the right to vote at the same age they can be baptised or circumcised.
10 also if 16 is allowed
voting age shld be 21.
no mínimo !
Yes young europeans need to know europe law
SPECIAL EXCEPTION: childless people may have the right to vote if they have served in the military (ideally not merely in a paper-pushing position).
And why this kind of discrimination !? I pay taxes just like people with children. I pay even more taxes then people with children. If you have obligations you also have rights.
A few reasons. People with children:
1) Have had more responsibility, and so tend to vote more responsibly.
2) Have a stake in the future of the nation.
3) Have practically benefited the nation by perpetuating it and (if they are good parents) educating the next generation.
no, because they are idiots (and the more time will pass, the more idiotic teenagers we will have)
No most of them don’t pay taxes. It’s a matter of rights and obligations.
12 would be even better for a deeper understanding of our society that allow to make wise choices…
Anche perché voterebbero tutti podemos syriza e compagnia bella
Definitely not
Не.
Absolutely, NO
Never-ever
Nop. I am a favor to vote only +21
NO. The answer won’t change, no matter how many times you re-post this question.
Yes!!! Young people should be allowed and encouraged to vote!!!
to vote to choose the president of EU ? why vote if you canot vote to chose the president of >EU
Maybe if 16-year-olds would work, pay taxes, be accountable for their actions in a court of law like adults, and be elegable for a military draft (both genders, yes, there are only two) when applicable, then yes, and they would also be able to legally purchase alcohol
if is legal to fuck too…
Why not Michael?
O qualsiasi cosa sia ribbbbbelle in quel momento, praticamente una mina vagante elettorale.
Because you said yes
LOL, I say Piss Off – now you say something opposite
Yes. If you can vote with 80…
Do you want more populism? Because that’s how you get more populism
absolutly not
not even the 18yo are ready for the most important act of voting…
schools teach nothing of life and living to the youngers…
everyone should vote, only after collecting first job payment…
No. No experience which would count, biassed and greatly dependent on others, while not even their brains are fully developed. We let them vote, but not smoke or drink? Fine, it is not that important now, is it.
Na i agree i think they should get a vote even though majority would vote for your mob
And to drive and buy fire arms it’s the same responsibility as voting
Why not 14 or 12 ?
I hope it’s a joke.
Better yet, even let toddlers vote, because European politics are a joke anyway.
Nope. As a matter of fact, the voting age should be above 30!
Nowadays you have people above their 20s behaving like they’re 8 and you want teenagers to vote? Are you out of your mind or just trying to gather votes from more easy to manipulate citizens?
Well there is a concentrated EU propaganda campaign aimed at the young….
There is also a concentrated Russia propaganda campain aimed at the old……
George Adrian Really, any evidence of that or have you been watching CNN again ?
Simple answer is yes. Look at the idiots adults have voted in to office for the last 40 years. Does anyone really think 16 year olds might vote in a worse manner? They are citizens and they should have a say in their future.
Have a voting booth at Hogwarts ? lol
Ivan Burrows Good idea :)
They can vote even worse.
If you had right to vote you should have right to own a firearm
NO NO
Voting age should be raised to 30
Oligarchy, here we come.
Because do you think you can change something by voting?
I’ve been told you can elect different people
The right to vote should be given only if you have graduated from school. Those that did not graduate are easy pray for corrupt politicians. It’s like a driver’s license which should be not given if you don’t know how to read and write.
There are politicians who haven’t finished school, so I doubt they’d ever do this.
You’re saying formal education make great voters and skeptical people?
You have to be skeptical to not buy all you’re promised in campaign’s. You have to realise what it’s doable and what not. Who will you vote for? A liar which will promise what you like to hear or an onest person that tells the truth that you will probably not like?
Since we are on this topic, not only that I support this idea, but I would also prohibit those over a certain age from voting. As someone else mentioned previously, look where our elders took us with their choices. In my country at least, those over 60 keep voting with the corrupt parties time and again. And in terms of knowledge, pardon me, but nowadays a 16 yo has a better understanding of how the capitalist world works than a 60 yo. Just my opinion :). Happy holidays, y’all!
Older people have more life experience, so no.
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Absolutely!!
Why? So you could get more votes for the self-loathing leftist parties?
No, because having worked with young for many years I consider them far more intelligent than most adults I’ve met & No I’m definitely not a lefty!!!
YES…
To vote on pro-drugs and pro-terrorism parties? Never!
That’s the whole idea, to enable impressionable and easily manipulated youngsters to vote, so more votes for the left-wing or pseudo-conservative liberal parties can be massed.
Democracy is an atrocity