The Mediterranean migration route is back in the spotlight. In recent years, media focus has been shifting to other issues as the number of crossings fell to its lowest in five years. However, the decision by Italy to close its ports to migrant rescue vessels (not to mention the recent high-profile arrest of a boat captain by Italian police) has brought attention back.

What do our readers think? We had a comment from Sofia arguing that it’s immoral for the Italian government to close its ports to migrant rescue vessels. Is she right?

To get a response, we put her comment to Maria Serrano, Senior Campaigner on Migration for Amnesty International. How would she respond?

Well, obviously there is a longstanding obligation to rescue people in distress at sea. It’s not only a moral obligation, it’s also a legal obligation. So, the captains of boats are legally obliged to render assistance, and this has been a customary obligation for a long time. So, when Italy closes its ports to boats that render this kind of assistance in distress, Italy is undermining the law of the sea and the longstanding duties.

In addition to this, we need to remember that these are people that are victims of torture, there are women, children, men that have been trapped in Libya in detention centres, victims of shipwrecks; so these are very vulnerable people that are left aboard boats without any port for disembarkation, without any place of safety. It is not only immoral, but it is also very cruel and inhuman.

For another perspective, we put the same comment to Fiamma Nirenstein, an Italian-Israeli journalist, former Italian lawmaker, and currently a fellow at the Jerusalem Center for Public Affairs. What would she say?

[…] One should understand that here, when we speak about ‘immigration’, we are speaking about the defining phenomenon of our time. Until today, the response has been insufficient and very poor, and there have been many attempts to change a system that is demonstrably unfair, not only for the populations of the places where the immigrants are heading too, but also for the immigrants themselves, who very often, when they have been admitted, don’t find themselves in the world that they were dreaming of, or in a situation of understanding or care. In fact, they find themselves in camps, in a very bad environment, or in a situation where they live in worse conditions than they had before.

The response from the people that want them in are just as insufficient as the people who don’t want them in. Because Europe is unable to deny their entrance and unable to treat them in a fair way.

So, for instance, Angela Merkel’s answer in 2015 when she opened all the doors was not a fair answer. It didn’t work at all. It changed the situation for the worse. What I’m saying here is that when you close the ports, on the one hand you should take responsibility for people that are sick – you cannot let people die at sea, you cannot let little children or sick people die on a vessel. This is undisputed from my point of view, and from the moral point of view.

On the other hand, you cannot keep taking responsibility as Europe has until today, in a way that is totally confused and doesn’t admit only the people that are allowed to come, but admits also people that just try to take the fastest route far away from the countries they don’t want to live in anymore…

Is it wrong for Italy to block migrant vessels from its ports? Or is it a necessary step because Italy, despite being on the frontline of the migrant crisis, has not received sufficient solidarity from its European partners? Let us know your thoughts and comments in the form below and we’ll take them to policymakers and experts for their reactions!

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What do YOU think?

  1. avatar
    EU Reform- Proactive

    The EU’s “European Border and Coast Guard Agency” (Frontex) was originally (1985) created to control the outer borders of its members who are part of the “Schengen Area”. Nothing less, nothing more.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Schengen_Agreement

    However, the many unforeseen global events since then (1985) exposed the EU planners and their lack of responsible foresight! As per EU tradition- one “patch” after the other “patch” was introduced trying to fix these challenges= shortcomings= chaos.

    http://www.europarl.europa.eu/RegData/etudes/BRIE/2018/630316/EPRS_BRI(2018)630316_EN.pdf

    In the final analysis- DEFENSE remains the sole competence of each Member State.

    The Schengen EU can try to “manage & control” its outer borders; its National members remain however responsible to DEFEND their country & its citizens- be it from:

    * unlawful border crossings (illegal immigration) in general,
    * premeditated human fishing trips by some NGO “for profit” under the pretense to save humanity,
    * the foolishness from the EU planners
    * or real “Acts of God”.

    Q: “Is it wrong for Italy to block migrant vessels from its ports?”
    A: Why should it? Certainly not. The EU has not been created to give unlimited shelter to the rest of the world.

    In fact, it is Italy’s (or others) first responsibility & duty to protect its citizens from:

    * human traffickers, fortune seekers & desperadoes.
    * NGO’s- who are participating in the modern business of “human rescue” for profit.
    * to send a clear message to the EU that- the present “Schengen management & control” is insufficient, in disarray and unhelpful!

    Frontex is only suited to manage & control holiday makers, EU job seekers & all who entered the Schengen area legally!

  2. avatar
    Alfredo

    No, they should be taken back to were they came. Italy is stopping the slave ships from entering their ports.

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    Gabriella

    Go Salvini!!!!! It is absolutely crazy how Africa is invading Europe. If French, German, Dutzh people want them – go for it. Ship them to these countries, not Italy which clearly stated that they do not want them anymore.

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    Nikos

    Even asking this question makes obvious that there is something wrong with Europe today. Not to mention some of the answers (coming mainly from countries that only cash EU funds)

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    Olivier

    No.. This is the law.. Illigal migrants fake refugees have no right to enter EU without visa… Ant these boats who patrolled near lybian coasts are human traffickers

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    Σπύρος-Σταμάτης

    You’ve said it”it’s ports” a sovereign state rools it’s territory,has also the right to inpose what’s right for its citizens.It’s not a matter of some thousands so anybody can handle,as much as we all resonadle people want to help,they’re up to millions,an intire continent is coming on us and the worst is that the have no real plan or goal’just with the moughts open signaling to Europe:”feed us”.That is Wrong and undignifing for this poor people and us who straggle to cope’not to mention the slavetrade in open view for all the world to see.These forcing and blackmailing acts are those who led guys like Salvini and sutch in power

  7. avatar
    Bódis

    Italy has the right to control its borders. There are legal ways to migrate into the EU.

    • avatar
      Bódis

      Why?

  8. avatar
    Irini

    It’s time to help these people to stay in their mother land. No wars, no misery

  9. avatar
    Alex

    Stupid question by stupid media for stupid people

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      Bódis

      Why?

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      Franco

      Italy are protecting his coast .

  10. avatar
    Hugo

    Why the boats come to leave the refugees in Europe and not in Africa?

  11. avatar
    Gotthard

    You can’t go to Aftica without a visa. So why should they just hop on a boat and come over, uninvited. Most of them are not fleeing war, they’re just economic migrants hoping to have it good on European Generosity. Then us commoners work and pay taxes so they can take thier benifits, and after a while they also impose thier culture on us !

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    Jason

    What is wrong, hypocritical and disgusting is to support the modern day slave traders and post warmongering jackals by pretending to be good Samaritans. Just looking at the tip of the iceberg and feeling self gratified whilst the ringleaders and warmongers are never put behind bars.

  13. avatar
    Benjamin

    Omg yes!!!! If you don’t want people return them but don’t let them die!

  14. avatar
    Gabor

    No! It’s lifesaving! For everybody! For them and for the Europeans too! Hysterical “welcome” and “wir schaffen das” actionism it’s not a solution! It is only political delusional idea, malicious manipulation of the citizens, hysterie of the leftwings dominated “elite”, downright lie and destroy of both of the culturs and societies from them and from us too. Society engineering from above out of the ivory towers the self – proclaimed, money fetishist, high society celebs on the cost of the average peoples! They try to establish for the own entertainment a human zoo from the world. 😏

  15. avatar
    Lumpkin

    Is it the humanitarian thing to do?

  16. avatar
    Manuel

    Again and again and again… using migrant instead of refugees or people that illegally are trespassing countries

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    Maria

    They have a big problem and the EU, didnt do nothing about that. Italy is doing the best they can, against uncontrolled imigration.

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      Hebron

      So Europe and her allies should just shut up and help people. They are in the first case responsible with NATO for all the wars that cause all these instabilities that lead to the Refugees. Now with the already existing problems from the Syrian war. USA and NATO want to cause war in Iran. Which will lead to more people fleeing their Countries. Shut up and stop funding wars /selling guns, war machinery to war Lords in poor countries . The Refugee problem will be solved.

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    Matt

    Its Italy’s choice, but frankly they are doing far to little to correct the overflow.

  19. avatar
    Marco

    Obviously YES! Crazy times we live in 🤦🏻‍♂️

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      Gil

      Italy has every right to block this vessel. These migrants paid to be brought there, I do not have any sympathy for them. They ridicule the plight of real refugees who are genuinely persecuted.

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    Hebron

    Yes it’s wrong! poor countries like Uganda welcome millions of immigrants every year. So no second world or first world country should let people drown in oceans. Let’s take an example from third world countries that welcome more immigrants than all European countries

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      Manuel

      Please read the news about South Africa or Angola on the migrants.

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      Gil

      They paid a high price to be sent over, if they are successful it will entail more people trying.

    • avatar
      Hebron

      Stop financing wars, stop selling firearms to third world governments, warlords, stop causing insecurity in Africa,, Middle east and Asia. The the root cause of immigrants will be solved.

  21. avatar
    Dino

    Cyprus has seen a huge influx of refugees and immigrants in 2019. Reports say this is due to migrant traffickers in Turkey diverting people to northern Cyprus(illegally occupied by Turkey) and telling them they are going to the EU and not specifying where they’re going exactly. Once they reach the island of Cyprus, the illegal authorities in Northern Cyprus send the people to the southern government controlled areas(Republic of Cyprus). I’m curious to see how the EU handles this one.

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      Rumy

      It doesn’t …as usual

  22. avatar
    Władysław

    I don’t think that non-italians should have any say in the matter because it’s the issue of the citizens in any sovereign state to decide who they want and not want in their country

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      Gil

      Hello, Italy is in the EU and in Schengen. It’s not a national issue.

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      Władysław

      It is a national issue if it has to do with foreigners entering Italy illegally, and no, EU cannot order them to take anyone. Honestly EU’s handling of this situation is absurd as it seems it’s prominent members forgot what a border is and what it’s for

  23. avatar
    Stef

    Is it wrong to try and enter a country illegally?

  24. avatar
    Jorge

    U.n. law to let them seek asylum. Allies are the reason people have to flee in the first place.

  25. avatar
    Marco

    Well if we close our ports those in France, Spain and Germany are still opened..ah no

  26. avatar
    Marc

    No. Europe has enough (Muslim) migrants. Paris, London etc are almost predominantly Muslim already.

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    Stefano

    It’s wrong for Europe to block her ports: from Finland to Greece

  28. avatar
    Helena

    How do you even ask that question? How do you legitimise both answers as equal?! One of those answers is a crime against humanity, it’s not just an answer.
    CRIME AGAINST HUMANITY is not just a simple opinion. Capice?

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      Gil

      So Helena, just open the borders everywhere and allow whoever wants in, give them welfare and medical care, and more. What kind of solution is this?

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      Helena

      Give asylum to all those in need, pretend you’re a human being. Stop selling arms and making wars everywhere. Do you really think anyone would throw themselves on such a risky boat if they could just stay home and have a life? Most people don’t want to come to Europe, they just want to have a life. They would rather have that life home, with family, friends. They’re not any different from you.

    • avatar
      Helena

      You like going on touristic journeys and go home in the end. There. Like everyone else. Stop dehumanising people.

  29. avatar
    Τζινα

    No is not wrong unfortunately ,as Europe as one ,is completely unprepared to handle immigrants and parallel a security system for the European citizens. Other countries have already too many immigrants like Italy and Greece others few or none..!!
    It’s a market I think of human meat and no one looks to know ( or want) to end this shame !

    • avatar
      Bódis

      Europe was not “unprepared”, that was just the propaganda to force the situation onto the population. The first studies on the migrant quotas were prepared in 2009-2010, they are still available on the Commission’s website.
      The EU is absolutely dishonest in this matter, and the two most important people in charge of this situation (Merkel and Juncker) are both recipients of the Kalergi Society’s “Europe Award”. You might have heard that name already..

    • avatar
      Τζινα

      Ok, lets agree that the EU leaders were prepared for the immigration crisis and anything else is propaganda.
      What’s the message the EU delivers today in the name of “breaking the business model of smugglers preventing tragic loss of life,”?
      To prevent boats leaving North Africa for Italy, Malta and Spain and send back migrants plucked out of the water to be interned in the country from which they sailed ??
      I think that the EU Leaders all they do after such a preparation..is to wash their hands of the misfortune of asylum seekers in order to save their valuable political skin..!

    • avatar
      Bódis

      The EU wants to turn Europe in to something like America and to achieve that they need to break down the borders and will need to import a population to whom the old borders and nations mean nothing. Young people in schools are indoctrinated, new voters are imported: in 10-20 years the EU will have enough brainwashed and imported voters to vote against the nation states.
      This is a very good example for the “totalitarian tiptoe” method, read about it!

    • avatar
      Τζινα

      no that’s the propaganda . That they are civilized and humanitarian…do their best for the poor people all around the world,for refugees,for activists..
      The truth has only one name : keeps Euro strong, to the right hands.

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      Bódis

      Actually, deep down at the bottom of it all they pursue a Luciferian agenda and want to spread that lifestyle everywhere into the world, create a dystopia and control every aspect of life.
      Marx was a satanist, few people know that.
      It took me months of research to understand the motives — in addition to the obvious economic ones (concentration of markets, creation of oligopolies, privatization of public natural monopolies, keeping wages low, keeping people/countries in debt, and the efficient control of politics).

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      Τζινα

      I am sorry but that’s old practices already in progress now and decades . The world domination method of slow encroachment on civil liberties and freedoms, used by a small few that want to control the world is almost complete..
      But unfortunately for them something keeps them back ..

    • avatar
      Bódis

      People are waking up. What I wonder is whether the brainwashing of the youth can be broken through.. I don’t know. Some people act like they were mentally conditioned — probably because they were.

    • avatar
      Τζινα

      exactly!

    • avatar
      Bódis

      What do you see in Greece with the young people?

    • avatar
      Τζινα

      they are aware I think but most of them are choosing to go and work to another country. Others are staying and fights..however many have to change,first of all someone or something has to remind them who they are ..youth first of all !

  30. avatar
    Mario

    It is wrong to follow criminals use immigrants as goods, and the Ongs play in this role. Anyway in first focus is national security. In the second point, the organization Unchr and Onu do not have an active role to avoid this situation, reminding in the same way when Lybia was bombed the Onu agreed too. What does Onu do actively to reduce corruption in Africa? Italy cannot be called in dispute for the responsibilities of others.

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    Stefania

    Do you remember the slaves of the British and the Americans? It seems the same thing just that first they went and, them with strength, now the slave pays the journey of his own pocket Italy is acting well for the good of all even migrants. One day you’ll thank us all if we get there

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    ΜΑΓΑΛΙΟΣ

    No. It’s not wrong. It is safe to block the supposed migrants to pass their ports. No more migrants to Europe countries.

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    Stefania

    The law of the sea says that a rescue is a rescue, it is an emergency and people must be saved and bring to the nearest safe port. The safe port closest to the rescue is never in any case Italy. People at sea must be saved and then you must know his story why he was on the barchino. Bringing all this flow to Italy all in Italy without reason is a crime against humanity against the Italian people exhausted by everything, from unjustified austerity and the rest

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    Paul

    At a human level, of course it’s wrong…but it’s a natural reaction to the failure of EU to manage the migration issue. .compounded by the disastrous decision of Germany to open their borders 2 years ago.

  35. avatar
    Bernard

    No, it’s the right thing to do. What is wrong is when countries open up their section of the EU’s common external border, or issue amnesties, without consulting the other members, as some have done.

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      Liam

      So legally opening a section of the border is wrong and sending men, women and children back into the Mediterranean where they could potentially die is fine?

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      Bernard

      One’s section of the common border is everyone’s common border. When you open it up you’re unilaterally opening up the border of other countries without their consent.

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      Gil

      It is not wrong. This is not the St Louis (google it) whose passengers faced certain death in a German concentration camp.

    • avatar
      Anelia

      troll

  36. avatar
    Enric

    No, Italy have the right to protect his coast, the ports and the sea.

  37. avatar
    Ray

    I sympathize with any one wishing to improve his life and running from any war… but then how can AFrica improve if those who should be fighting wars to bring about change are helped not to do their duty!! Now as I said I sympathize with anyone working hard and taking risks to improve his life—- but my house is not open to every one. I like to give charity but my house is mine and open to my own family only! Italy is sovereign . It is doing like anyone would do on her position! It is open for the people of the EU only!

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    Любомир

    Of course not. They are enforcing the law and protecting their borders, as any country run by sane people should.

    • avatar
      Liam

      Managed for literally hundreds of thousands of years without borders just fine

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      Любомир

      WOW, what a historically ignorant comment :D

    • avatar
      Liam

      if u think modern borders are in any way comparable to borders just 100 years ago then the ignorance isn’t mine.

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      Любомир

      And now you are showing inconsistency along with your ignorance. Please stop, your comments have zero value. Learn some history first, get educated a bit more, and maybe then you’ll be able to better discuss complex topics like border security.

    • avatar
      Liam

      I’m literally a third year history student mate. I don’t need to prove anything to you about what I know.
      Would also like to point out difference between borders and border crossings. Which I assumed u already understand in historical context but alas your comment show otherwise.

    • avatar
      Любомир

      Being a history student doesn’t make you a scholar or an expert, mate. You obviously have a lot more to learn, otherwise you wouldn’t be making such ridiculous statements.

    • avatar
      Liam

      I’ll always have more to learn.
      Btw, I made one statement which was in no way ridiculous and is definitely correct. Also might wanna google the definition of scholar. Academically studying in (usually) humanities really does make me a scholar. Along with all other third year students.

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      Любомир

      By this definition I am a scholar too, with the difference that I actually have a degree. So what? That doesn’t change the fact that you said something completely wrong and inaccurate and then proceeded to defend it with a logical fallacy (argument from authority).

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      Susan

      still wet behind the ears then. Wait until you leave school then you may grow up!

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      Francesco

      spain block the borders from decades with a wall in morocco and shoot “refugees” that try to come to spain. I would say spain is fascist country. Italy is saving life in mediterrean see from decades. Shame on you

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      Pablo

      Lovito wrong. LOL

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      George

      I am from Greece and I am very proud for salvini !!Italy protects its borders ..what is the problem with that ??

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      Francesco

      what is wrong with that! I m personally on the opposition about this italian governament policy and about salvini’s policy. I basically think that some countries like italy are saving humans in mediterrean and always sould be like that. But i also think that country like italy and greece cannot accept any lessons by any other european countries..

    • avatar
      Francesco

      Why spain dont open borders in morocco and let open all the refugees fron there??

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      Σπύρος-Σταμάτης

      Yea thats what it made them like this

  39. avatar
    Michael

    Yes but it is equally unjust for other EU countries not to accept their fair share of refugees.

    • avatar
      Galina

      do you know the definition of the word refugee!?

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      George

      “fair share of refugees” ?
      since those people have crossed many safe countries even continents to get here, it is clear they are not “refugees” and those transporting them are simply illegal migrant smugglers, and they should be sent in jail.
      If you want to help people at sea, return them to port they come from.

    • avatar
      Michael

      Do you?

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      Gabriella

      We pretty much know… they escape war, physical harm and reach teh FIRST SAFE COUNTRY. From that point on, they are not refugees, only illegal migrants if continue. These hords are marching through many safe countries, even in Europe. Their goal is Germany, NL, Sweden!!!!!!! I really woudl like to ask the citizens of these hipocritical countries – why don’t they use airplanes for them? Or direct ship routes from Libia to Rotterdam, Hamburg, Marseilles etc… Why Italy?

    • avatar
      Galina

      I do know quite correctly the definition of the Geneva convention

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      Bódis

      A surprisingly small percentage qualify as real refugees, pls look up the data on the Commission’s website.
      It’s unfair to import people to abuse the welfare systems.

    • avatar
      Bódis

      If you don’t believe in borders, please remove all the locks from your house and car. Border control just means that a country controls who gets to enter its territory and use its resources. When you lock your house or apartment, you do the same.
      You shouldn’t expect society to do something so radical and large-scale that you will not do in your own life. Test it, do it! If you are pleased with the result (=strangers coming into your home to use its resources), then you can legitimately demand that your own country should do the same.

  40. avatar
    Simona

    There is no system for migrant sharing in place. Until that happens then yes.

    • avatar
      Federico

      then that shall be true for Malta as well !

    • avatar
      Josephine

      Italy invaded countries so it is wrong, yes

    • avatar
      Σπύρος-Σταμάτης

      totaly nonsense’Italians rased my homecity to the ground,killed scores of people some 75years ago’i guess everytime i meet someone on the road i’d speet him on the face,ask him for 100€ and clame his house for the summer for compensation of my grandfathers

    • avatar
      Σπύρος-Σταμάτης

      Nice altroustic words there but the bottom line says”make room for more to come”

    • avatar
      Sara

      Yes, because more will come anyway. You can build walls, yet will these stop people from following the instinct of survival? I do not think so.

    • avatar
      Oliver

      if you make the movement easy, more will come and more and more. They will keep coming. Most of them see europe as a golden land with social benifits, while in reality europe is increasingly needing qualified specialists for work, with more and more automation taking the simpler jobs, there really isnt much to do. They are coming here to live on the street, and most likly will fall into ghettos and crime as we can see from the swedish example. Alot if not most coming from africa are economic migrants who pay criminal groups of human smuggelers to get them to europe, in the way of your attempt at making it easier, it also means more funds for the said groups. And last but def not the least is europe it self. European cultures, every country stands diffrent, even the loss of one of them we lose a little slice of our diverse europe. And europe isnt just germany, itali and france, many small countries that couldnt even take few thousand migrants with out huge ethnical change. We should be helping them on theyr land, not feeding crime gangs to bring them here on the streets.

  41. avatar
    Rick

    Wrong or Unlawful?
    Perhaps the true question is what can the EU do as a whole to de-magnetize the hordes who pay organized crime (mafia) to take them out into the Med and drop them off on inflatable rafts in hopes they are collected up by an EU national authority?
    Remember, those being picked up in this scenario and make it to Spain are given shelter and a monthly stipend equal to minimum unemployment compensation not to mention medical access and schooling.
    When this is more than one’s home country does for its own citizens, it becomes a magnetic field drawing hordes to give illegal business to mafia while the EU tax payers foot the bill….

  42. avatar
    Asawa

    Of course it is wrong. And it is also wrong that other EU countries take a long time to decide which countries take these people. Obviously it should not be the sole burden of Italy or Greece or Malta etc to care for refugees

    • avatar
      Gil

      OK, so why don’t you offer a bed in your apartment to one of these unfortunate migrants?

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      Nadia

      Because it is not the single citizen who is supposed to do that. It’s politics. It is supposed to be European politics: stop exploiting poorer countries and people, stop selling weapons, stop killing the environment. They are not unfortunate. They are, and have long been, exploited.

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      Rumy

      Nadia naive

  43. avatar
    Timo

    Absolutely not – why doesn’t the “pick up” emigrants ships sail to the country’s there they are registered in ?

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    Eleftheria

    What s the meaning of having borders anyway? Leave your doors open , let anyone go anywhere . No borders, no limits, no rules, no laws. Is it ok?

    • avatar
      Tadas

      It is ok for hippies, communists, socialists, anarchists and other crazy lefts.

    • avatar
      Eleftheria

      not sure… Ask them to leave their door open…

    • avatar
      Nadia

      No borders, no limits. Why should that mean no rules, no laws?

    • avatar
      Eleftheria

      because borders and limits are rules and laws!

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      Rumy

      That’s what I do too. Let the lead by example: open the door of your house and let anybody in. Feed them, house them, pay their medical expenses. No vetting so any criminal is invited to steal, rape and kill your family….yea, sounds great doesn’t it.

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      Bódis

      If you don’t believe in borders, please remove all the locks from your house and car! Border control just means that a country controls who gets to enter its territory and use its resources. When you lock your house or apartment, you do the same.
      You shouldn’t expect society to do something so radical and large-scale that you will not do in your own life. Test it, do it! If you are pleased with the result (=strangers coming into your home to use its resources), then you can legitimately demand that your own country should do the same.

  45. avatar
    Svenja

    This question shouldn’t even be for debate.Human lives (Black&Brown lives in particular!) shouldn’t be a question of debate.Yes it is is wrong.And herewith I am unfollowing you @DebatingEurope

  46. avatar
    Mateusz

    Not at all. A country has a moral obligation to sovereignty and protecting its native civilization.

  47. avatar
    Ivonne

    Of course..there is an agreement made to avoid this.

    • avatar
      Stefania

      ? What deal are you talking about

    • avatar
      Mario

      Treaty of Dublin.

    • avatar
      Павел

      Would you think the same if a migrant smashes your window in the night and says to you he will live in your house from now on?

  48. avatar
    Carlos

    It is wrong to not accept people and let them die in the sea. Period. The money regarding how to handle the situation is being sent to the countries. 4400€ per refugee is what EU is sending to those who welcome them so… stop the campaign of hate. And if you don’t want more refugees in your country just ask them where do they want to go? And if the country accepts them, done. Send them there. What’s wrong with people nowadays? Treating other humans as a piece of garbage?!

  49. avatar
    Juliette

    Italy spent billions in the past years in helping immigrants and refugees. Asked repeatedly for help from EU and has been ignored. That’s a fact that even a german politician admitted this morning on camera adding that Spain, Italy and Greece are left alone. There is a moral issue that needs to be dealt by each and every member of EU and not only by those forming the outside boarder-members of EU!

    • avatar
      Gabriella

      Greece and Spain welcomes these migrants. Other countries do not – why those who are fed up with this “pretend” human rights game should participate in it? I understand that the Netherlands, France, Spain, after colonizing these countries for a long time and get huge wealth out of them, want to be responsible for the miserable life they actually created in Africa.. But what the E-Central EU countries have to do about it. Absolutely nothing!!!!! We had the Soviet Union;s orders for 40 years, now we do not want to have the European Union doing the same.

    • avatar
      Pablo

      I hope you will have to leave in a boat. I hope you suffer watching your children die. People like you deserves it.

    • avatar
      Juliette

      Thanks. I can see yr english is very poor so you are excused for not having understood my comment and the moral issue am referring to.

    • avatar
      Franco

      I agreed immensely with Juliette Marcara as well with Gabriella Anderson.

    • avatar
      Σπύρος-Σταμάτης

      Greece and Spain wellcοmes?yοu are nοt serius.ΗΕLΡΙΝG thοse peοple iπ nοt inviting them’we have nο chοise if we want tο be called humans

    • avatar
      Cathy

      Excuses for letting people die

    • avatar
      Gianfranco

      evrynow and then…!!! it happens!!!

    • avatar
      Pedro

      There was an european plan to relocate within the union but v4 said no. You know, salvini’s bff

    • avatar
      Rick

      when you say “have to leave in a boat” are you saying that those who are picked picked up in the Med are forced to be there? That someone or some government official requested or required them to get on a boat? Please clarify.

    • avatar
      Philip

      colonization never created misery! Their misery is created by their own inability to evolve and develop into industrialised nations, their only strength appears to be procreation!! At least we are sure that something works!!

  50. avatar
    Galina

    It is not wrong! They have their right whom to let in their home and whom not!

    • avatar
      Jorge

      u.n. allies. They help to destroy their hometowns. The Italians invaded first. If you don’t want them in your country stay the hell away from theirs.

    • avatar
      Σπύρος-Σταμάτης

      Υοu are talking ancient histοry,that is nοt a resοnable argiument dealing wΐth their great great grandfathers.Τheir grandsοns οught tο pay the price?RΕDΙCULUS

    • avatar
      Galina

      as well I want Americans away from my home too, but I’m not going there with a boat illegally.

    • avatar
      Liam

      “you don’t have the right to come past this imaginary boundary into this piece of land we have decided is Italy” – sounds fucken dumb to me

    • avatar
      Σπύρος-Σταμάτης

      Yea right,and no need for ids and taxes by that and no state to organise the people to cosiety and everybody should colect froots and roots to feed since we’d be vegan too

    • avatar
      Mary

      get a grip of yourself!

    • avatar
      Jorge

      get off the meth lady you ain’t fooling no one. Lool

  51. avatar
    Σπύρος-Σταμάτης

    Yea right,and no need for ids and taxes by that and no state to organise the people to cosiety and everybody should colect froots and roots to feed since we’d be vegan too

  52. avatar
    catherine benning

    Is it wrong for Italy to block migrant vessels from its ports?

    This is another example of politically correct insanity forced onto a people or a nation by those indoctrinated into accepting the demise of their own well being.

    A father and his child, a baby daughter, was found dead in a river trying to illegally invade the USA. The news teams reported it as the evil of Trump and the US people who voted for him and his system to regulate the incoming addition to the US population. Lets hide the fact that the system Trump is going along with was introduced via Obama and the Democratic do gooders who deported three million people whilst in office.

    They blamed the present American President for his care for their borders. He and the American people who voted for him are wicked as this guy was forced to leave El Salvador for a better life in the USA, as he saw it. The evil ones are in fact the El Salvadorians for refusing to evolve into a society that can afford to nurture their people out of starvation and desperation to eliminate this mans need and, for the man who would use a baby, his own daughter, as a pawn in a politically criminal game this way.

    The tax payers of country’s that sustain a civilised standard of living for their people are being turned by their own governments, into cash cows for the worlds down and outs. Then wonder at the massive groundswell of support to be rid of these elected betrayers who were asked to represent them in a government that, instead, put their group funding taxes for other peoples benefit first.

    The world can look at how the West, they want to escape to, manages its attainment of civilisation, social ethos and culture and copy it. Starting with the fight for their own salvation. If they can’t or won’t do it, that is their choice. It is not their choice to take on a victim mentality and expect to be funded by the hard work and determination of others to feed them and their crew, based on the idiotic grounds of how they were exploited in historic terms by the thriving. If they were exploited it was by their own leaders. So, the suggestion has to be to jump all over those leaders who inherited that past and take their personal moneys to feed themselves.

    Today the UK wakes up with the news that another African hid in the landing gear area of an aircraft so he could enter the UK illegally. He froze to death and when the landing gear ejected the equipment to ready itself for a safe progression, his body falls into the back garden of a citizen enjoying his peaceful afternoon. What do you want to bet this man and his garden will be to blame for the lack of research on the part of the individual who crashed into this mans peaceful existence. No doubt ending in a lifetime trauma for him. Why are these criminals never questioned on their lack of responsibility for their own predicament? Why is it always Western culture and peoples fault for their poor choices? If it wasn’t for Western culture and determination of their people there would be nothing for them to flee to. Would there?

    The destruction through this encouraged invasion of our societies, by those who cannot and do not want to be part of it and who pretend they will take us into a prosperous future, is an offence beyond retribution. And it is time they got the hell out of our back yards and set up their ‘caring’ society where their hearts are deeply dedicated.

  53. avatar
    emiliio astier peña

    there is an international obligation to save live in risk…..and so important too the development of Africa Subsaharian….no one left his home with good conditions of live, jobs, education….and a thriving community.

    • avatar
      catherine benning

      @ emiliio astier peña

      International obligation to save lives at risk…. Under what circumstances and voted for by whom?

      And the development of Sub Saharan Africa? Who developed the West? Any answers? Whose blood sweat and tears were the saviours of our European culture, lifestyle and ethos? Did any European people sit around a tent fire expecting to be fed? Or, did they get up off their asses and make sure their children had a future ‘they’ fought for?

      Why are these peoples not fighting in their own back yard for the good conditions they see elsewhere and want to pilfer? Do you have any answers at all? Or, is the destruction of the West the best you can throw out? It only takes one rotten apple to infect an entire barrel. And so far, none of the apples in this Western barrel have been given an opportunity to take back their ‘rightful’ destiny to live in peace and prosperity by those intent on robbing them of it…… Who set up these obligations you address and who gave them permission to do so? The only ‘permission’ these greedy politicians have is given by the use of Christian idealogical law. And they want rid of that little responsibility.

  54. avatar
    Zoltan

    Italy has a perfect right to deny entry to any vessel it chooses. What I can’t understand is why these so called rescue ships don’t just sail to another EU country with a mediterranean port,i’m sure these bastions of humanity and decency will welcome them with open arms, Right??.

  55. avatar
    Rumy

    No. Surprised they took so many migrants already

  56. avatar
    Monika

    No, they have also to protect lives, it is not allowed to let them die in the Sea, they have to finder an other way together with all the EU countries, to protect the real emigrants, and to send the others back, but the bad news is that all the countries together can’t find a way to build a new government , her interests are not around the people’s only her own pot is important

  57. avatar
    Tiago

    that is the best thing they have ever done!!

  58. avatar
    Николай

    The EU should ask why are there migrants? Who bombed Libya

  59. avatar
    Yiannos

    It’s their country and they can deny anyone invading their space. Can you imagine what it’s going to happen if Europe takes all the migrants from Africa and the middle east where they have tyrannical governments? What Europe and the West should do is force these countries to respect human rights by strict sanctions

  60. avatar
    Susan

    No it is not wrong they are illegal economic migrants not real refugees and should be blocked from every European country. If you don’t like this I suggest you with your humanitarian ideas open your doors!

  61. avatar
    Е. М.

    Is it right for someone to enter your home without invitation … through the back window, without notifying you … If it is OK , then I dont feel secure at home and I will climb the balcony to get to your home, where you shoul provide me food and security because human rights.

  62. avatar
    pablo

    Meanwhile, France, Germany, and Austria have closed their borders with Italy and refuse access to migrants who want to join their families in northern Europe..so there’s tens of thousands of migrants ABANDONED in Italy. And France actually SENDS migrants to Italy trought the Marseille border.
    But the News don’t talk about them, they only talk about the “evil Italians”. You hypocrites.

  63. avatar
    kevin

    What the EU should be doing is blocking the migrant vessels from leaving the shores of Africa and Asia . They should also be rounding up ALL the migrants that are already here that are in camps and sending them back to where they have come . The whole mass immigration issue into Europe needs to be put in reverse .

  64. avatar
    Bert van Santen

    No way!!! It`s the Italian border so they decide who is allowed to enter their country!

  65. avatar
    Charles

    Of course not. This is not migration. This is an invasion. All ports should be closed for this klandestine business where the demography of Europe is changing evenmore overnight. This is a racket and should stop… if not, this will be the downfall of the EU as we know it.

  66. avatar
    Derek

    Let all the migrant vessels go to the land of the free. They are partially responsible
    If Italy refuses then it has a right to refuse.

  67. avatar
    Aris

    By a humanitarian point of view, is wrong BUT Italy was left with no choices since all the immigrants want to go to Nothern Europe but since the borders are closed they stuck in Italy.
    We like it or not, local societies don’t want unknown people with a different cultural background to walk here and there, sleeping in parks, in the streets and abandoned buildings.

  68. avatar
    George

    Is it wrong to protect nation’s borders?
    Is it wrong to have nations?
    Aren’t those questions telling much about plutocratic EU’s agenda?

  69. avatar
    Bernard

    The answer to Africa’s problems doesn’t lie in allowing their entire population to move to Europe.

  70. avatar
    Maria

    No it is not wrong. ONGs pick them up at the Coast in Líbia, and bring them to Italy. What is EU doing as a whole to solve the problems? Nothing.

    • avatar
      Gustav

      EU is doing a lot, what we see here is one of the few loopholes.

  71. avatar
    Любомир

    No, it isn’t. Yes, the migrants at sea are suffering, but they are the ones who put themselves in this situation, trying to illegally cross international borders.

  72. avatar
    Betti

    Eventually you’re going to have to restrict and then stop migration, as all signs point to it increasing with time. That doesn’t mean migrants are criminals, and it doesn’t mean lying about them is acceptable behavior. It also doesn’t mean we can or should ignore the problems of migrants.

  73. avatar
    Lefteris

    Illegal entry via sea, air or land should be treated as an invasion and dealt as such by all EU countries. If people want to emigrate to Europe they should obtain a visa, pay for a valid air or sea ticket and enter from designated airports or ports.

    • avatar
      Cláudia

      Lefteris, along with their designer Louis Vuitton luggage and Gucci sun shades! Get real!!!!!

  74. avatar
    Davide

    It’s not a matter of sovereignty, we’re talking about human lifes, how can we leave them out at sea?

  75. avatar
    Bódis

    They should be taken to the nearest safe port, which is in Africa. If the ships did that, the whole trafficking business would cease within a month.

  76. avatar
    Mary

    Is it wrong for Spain to do the same exact thing? Why doesn’t anyone talk about their ban on NGO’S? Open Arms is Spanish, and they are banned from going into Spanish territorial waters. The leftie Sanchez Government made this very clear! There’s a tweet on that from Open Arms as well. And any NGO’S that go into Spanish territorial waters will be fined, and their boats seized as well. This is BS. Fact is that no one wants these migrants, that’s the truth. But it’s ok to point fingers at the Italians, cause we’re idiots in Italy. Everyone knows anyone can do what they want in Italy…..and so do the other EU states!

  77. avatar
    Lefteris

    EU is at war with itself. Northern EU countries want to fill the Southern countries with immigrants. See Italy, Greece, Cyprus, Spain. Why don’t they allow immigrants to fly to Berlin if they like them that much?

  78. avatar
    Hugo

    No. Why the ships bring people into Italy and not to Líbia?

  79. avatar
    Julius

    This is a big business for all you know!!

  80. avatar
    Craig

    In no way, shape or form. Italy’s sovereignty is their own to make that determination.

    • avatar
      Riccardo

      Human rights? Ever heard of?

    • avatar
      Любомир

      Human rights don’t allow you to pick whichever country on the planet you want and go there illegally.

    • avatar
      George

      Riccardo, emigrating to a richer country is not a “human right”.
      It’s never been, and will never be one.
      Those are not “refugees”, as refugees seek temporary shelter, not “permanent resettlement” after crossing numerous “safe countries” on their way to a different continent.

    • avatar
      Nadia

      Human rights means let people die is never a solution. Politicians are paid to find solutions not to plan a never ending propaganda without caring of the cost😞

    • avatar
      Munteanu

      So sovereignty excludes humanism?

    • avatar
      Enric

      Those vessels, with the help of unknown powers, want to twist the italien governament.

    • avatar
      Susan

      No Italy is correct to refuse these economic migrants, send them bk

  81. avatar
    Gustav

    Italy has the right to control its own borders. There are rules for migration.

  82. avatar
    Valentin

    No.A law must be respected. No matter what.

  83. avatar
    Tina

    It is a European problem, and all states should help to find a solution. The closing of the big ports it is not stopping small vessels from arriving daily in less-known towns. Italy is surrounded by the sea 😒there is no way they can control arrivals… Europe should focus on solutions. There is not a good answer or a bad answer, there is a big problem and solutions are needed without loss of human lives.

    • avatar
      Anna

      Tina, same with Greece actually Greece has a bigger problem… migration from Turkish shores daily… I don’t think it’s fair to Greece and ltaly to accommodate them all…the rest of the EU states should participate in this Problem and not hot spots in these two countries… For example Greece has a population of 11 million we cannot afford to accommodate them all…we will soon be a minority in our own country!

    • avatar
      Tina

      Anna, Yes, you all have a bigger problem, but deep down these people are trying to reach their “colonial heritage” 😉 the brightest and the most educated. Where there is a will there is a way, and if they can cross the sea, they can also cross the mountains. And then there is the exploitation of the weakest.

    • avatar
      Gustav

      I don’t see why we should allow this. There are rules for migration and if they want to migrate here they have to follow them. That could mean they are not allowed in. We can’t have lawlessness, and it’s killing people.

    • avatar
      Lefteris

      When Cyprus was invaded in 1974 by Turkey Cypriot refugees LEGALLY were displaced to Greece. The country with the same language, religion and ethnicity. So if people now want to leave their country why do they want to come to Europe where nothing is common with their country of origin? My mother was a refugee. She was happy to be anywhere safe. Syrian “refugees” seem to have the luxury to choose…

  84. avatar
    Nadia

    It is so sad to see that the only way to solve migration is to let people die. Italy and the EU should start working together on the causes of migration. We know what is it like to leave home for better luck abroad.

    • avatar
      Lefteris

      Nadia, No one in Europe said people should die. If they get on rafts and boats that are ready to sink they put themselves in danger.
      If I lie down in the middle of the highway and the police decide not to help me it’s not really their fault if I get hit right?

    • avatar
      Nadia

      Lefteris, It’s a way to see the problem but we know it’s never that simple

    • avatar
      Lefteris

      It’s simple enough : if you want to leave your country do it legally

    • avatar
      Martijn

      Italy faces this problem for decades. I can imagine that they are fed up with it.

  85. avatar
    Anna

    In my opinion in a way it’s wrong these people are trying to flee their war zone countries or living conditions under the poverty line …but on the other hand ltaly and Greece actually have a huge problem…with the latter having migration from Turkish shores daily… I don’t think it’s fair to Greece and ltaly to accommodate them all…the rest of the EU states should participate in this Problem and not send them to hot spots in these two countries… For example Greece has a population of 11 million we cannot afford to accommodate them all…we will soon be a minority in our own country and then goodbye Charlie this is the gate entrance to the rest of the European Union!

  86. avatar
    Enric

    No, it’s a right. The vessels could go to any other port nearby…Albania, Croacia, Greece, Egipt, Tunisia, etc…. By the way, where are the ships of the “famous” Freontex ?.

  87. avatar
    Krum

    Wrong!?! People are saved from the water. They go home happy. Everything else is human trafficking and is not legal …

  88. avatar
    João

    There are limits to everything. Also for the deals…..

  89. avatar
    Jeroen

    No, its not wrong. There is a greater good here that needs to be protected. Yes its terrible, but it cannot be helped at this point

  90. avatar
    Rumy

    I have a genius suggestion – let’s import the whole Africa and the Middle East into Europe, straight into Merkel and Juncker’s houses. Also, make these two (and their supporters) work and pay taxes so they can support their “humanitarian ideas”.

    • avatar
      Nadia

      Rumy, There’s also another genius suggestion- let’s stop exploiting other people’s lands, let’s stop selling them weapons and see if we can do something to stop climate change too.

    • avatar
      Rumy

      Nadia, Which land and people are you exploiting? Because I’m not exploiting any land nor making people work for me. I’m not selling weapons either. As for “climate change” is just another reason used by the EU and the governments to increase my taxes (yours too btw).

    • avatar
      Satsuma

      Rumy, I am guessing you don’t eat chocolate, tea or coffee, don’t own a mobile or computer and don’t drive a car.
      Coffee beans, Cocoa beans and Tea come from developing countries such as Africa or South America or South Asia.
      The Lithium and Cadmium for your mobile’s batteries come from Africa. The petrol for your car, the raw materials for your plastic products and the gold for your jewellery, the diamonds and most of the emeralds all come from Africa. It is the richest continent, and should by all means be the most developed. But centuries of slave trade and exploitation by colonists have turned it into the state it is in now. Do you even know that the Duch ruler of the Congo murdered 11 Million people there? That is more than during the Holocaust.
      Yet, in your stupid ignorance you can do little but shoot your mouth off. Who are you to talk about Merkel? Merkel is an astrophysicist, and has a heart, as well as a Christian conscience.

    • avatar
      Nadia

      Satsuma, Thank you for your patience and explanation❤

    • avatar
      Satsuma

      Nadia, maybe someone out there starts to think and do a little research….

  91. avatar
    Luca

    Every country must control and protect his borders

  92. avatar
    Κωστας

    they’re migrants,not refugees,they’re not fleeing war therefore they can apply for asylum the legal way.

  93. avatar
    Juliette

    What about the next boat…and the next and the next and the next……and so on…I think this is the question to be asked!

  94. avatar
    Rodrigo

    No, it’s not wrong. We can question if it’s our moral duty to help this people or not, but don’t mix moral with sovereignty.

  95. avatar
    Tiago

    noo thats not wrong at all !! that is the correct thing to do, all the EU should do the same!! Salvini for EU presidente now!!!!

  96. avatar
    Duncan

    Stop bombing their countries!!

  97. avatar
    Nadia

    When some people say we should consider this an invasion, do they refer to migrants coming to Europe or to the European invasions of other countries? Are the good old days of colonialism in their mind or the selling of weapons maybe. I honestly don’t understand🤔

  98. avatar
    Е. М.

    Its their ports. I dont give a f**k. Is it wrong of you to block migrant coming to your house ? Uninvited .. Sneaking through the night .. Through the window .. of your basement .. and demanding ,,, I mean wtf ..

  99. avatar
    Manuel

    absolutly…
    one should not stop the business,
    traffickers expect humanitarians keep the good job…
    and even R Gere can send some to the New World…

  100. avatar
    David

    I don´t think so give them fuel to go back to where they came fro.

  101. avatar
    Dezi

    Bravo Salvino blog them all the way. No more entry into Italy Greece Cyprus.

  102. avatar
    Miguel

    It is lack of humanity. Can you imagine a Cruise or tourist ship in the same situations. We don.t help you because you are tourists… Ah nooo they are poor blacks from Africa…let them die. Shame on Europe, our governments and shame of all of us to allow it. Our mediterranean is not and shpuld be not a cemetery.

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