For the past few decades, Europe has been growing ever-closer. Since the fifties, European states have decided to work together towards a political union, bringing with it a period of prosperity and peace. However, with Brexit, the EU now faces its first membership withdrawal, provoking a new period of uncertainty. Some see Brexit as the beginning of the end, while others see it as an opportunity to launch a United States of Europe.

This idea is nothing new. The notion of a European entity modelled off the United States was already discussed in the 19th century, and the term ‘United States of Europe’ was coined by Germany’s social democratic party in its 1925 Party Programme. Only last year, its party leader Martin Schulz was still calling for such a union. Similarly, in France, President Macron is pushing ahead with reforms meant to strengthen the EU. Yet, we are also simultaneously seeing the rise of elected officials whom explicitly reject the concept of an “ever closer union.” Some even call for the return to nation-states altogether.

What do our readers think? We received a comment from Antonio, who wishes to see the creation of a United States of Europe within the next 20 years. How realistic is this?

Will we ever have a United States of Europe? We asked Members of the European Parliament (MEPs) from all sides of the political spectrum to stake out their positions on this question, and it’s up to YOU to vote for the policies you favour. See what the different MEPs have to say, then vote at the bottom of this debate for the one you most agree with! Take part in the vote below and tell us who you support in the European Parliament!

Radical Left
Martina Anderson (GUE-NGL), Member of the European Parliament:

Well, I don’t believe in a United States of Europe, but there are many things that we need to improve in Europe: we need to improve public transparency and accountability; we need to tackle the double standards; we need to look at the way that social Europe has been sidelined, which is a shame; we need to look at how lobbyists have been able to influence policy developments in Europe; and we need to know that another Europe is possible.

But I don’t think that would be achieved if we were to go in the direction, as is suggested by Antonio, of a federal Europe. It needs to be a Europe that is made up of diversity and many member states that can tackle global challenges that we face at a European level. But, at a national level, national governments need to have the power to be able to deliver for their own citizens, the people who elected them, as opposed to being imposed a neoliberal model, which – when you look at what happened to Greece, what is happening in Catalonia with the double standards, and the ignoring of the annexation and colonization of the occupied territories of Palestine, and the annexation of Crimea – then you can see that there is a lot in Europe that needs to change, and I don’t think any of that can be achieved by the kind of Europe that is suggested by Antonio.

Greens
Rebecca Harms (Group of the Greens), Member of the European Parliament:

Liberal Democrats
Maite Pagazaurtundua (ALDE), Member of the European Parliament:

Centre Right
Roberta Metsola (EPP), Member of the European Parliament:

Conservatives
Jørn Dohrmann (ECR), Member of the European Parliament:

Eurosceptics
Gilles Lebreton (EFDD), Member of the European Parliament:

I hope that we will never have United States of Europe. This would be the end of national sovereignty, which is itself the bulwark of national identities. I am for a Europe of cooperation between sovereign states, not a European federal Leviathan.

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    • avatar
      Ivan

      Morning comrade, thanks for the mention.

      If you think just because we are leaving the pointless EU things will get easier for the antidemocratic fanatics in the EU you are in for a shock at the MEP elections next year..

      Your empire will fall just as every other lunatic ‘European’ dictatorship has fallen. Nazism, Fascism, Communism and now Europeanism, different flag but the same blind dogma.

      The British people have a history of fighting totalitarian dictatorships and Brussels is just the next target on our list to bring democracy to the world.

    • avatar
      Leonardo

      So when do you elect your Queen? Or your lords? Btw how democractic is that the DUP with 0.7% of the votes has as many MPs as the Lib Dems with 7%?

    • avatar
      Uli

      Ivan for you the EP seems to gain importance just if it fits your agenda.

    • avatar
      Ivan

      Leonardo The Queen does not make our laws, the House of Lords do not make our laws but your unelected (0% voted for) European Politburo does make yours.

      Just like all other EU fanatics you either hate democracy or have no concept of what it actually means.

    • avatar
      Uli

      Ivan just because you are unfamiliar with other forms of representations than your system, doesnt mean you need to shout “unelected” “undemocratic” “communist” everywhere. Gets boring

    • avatar
      Ivan

      It really is very, very simple comrade.

      ‘Nobody’ was asked if they wanted your European Politburo or its rubber stamping department the European Parliament and the only vote on the EU’s European constitution was rejected by the French but enforced anyway which makes the EU antidemocratic and its unelected Politburo its Government, which is more in line with the USSR than Nazism but antidemocratic all the same.

      It only gets boring to you pro EU fanatics comrade because you know what’s coming and there is nothing you can do to stop it, for everyone else its reality as you are about to find out. :)

      https://www.economist.com/news/europe/21740256-fears-countrys-democracy-deepen-hungarys-illiberal-prime-minister-viktor-orban-wins

    • avatar
      Uli

      there is no EU constitution

    • avatar
      Uli

      @Ivan and just to add..i dont know in which world you live but when the constitution was rejected by dutch and french, it was not ratified. do you have alternative infos for me?

    • avatar
      Michelle

      yeah if they behave like communists 1 million times then they should be called that 1 million times, once they stop behaving like a pack of commies.. there will be no need for anyone to repeat themselves

      have you ever thought how old stale and rancid your communism is after so many year

      Eu cannot live of old money and nepotism any more it has to head towards democracy and innovation

      But first out with the totalitarians once and for all!

    • avatar
      Tarquin Farquhar

      @Uli
      You want to deprive Ivan of free speech? Dangerous!

    • avatar
      Tarquin Farquhar

      @Leonardo
      Very few countries have been as stable, as democratic, as free and as long-standing as the UK.

      Why should we get rid of our Queen and end up like a typical Latin despotic republic or indeed the EU?

    • avatar
      Kilian

      the British empire was built on dictatorship and the british and successive government is responsible for countless war crimes and genocides

    • avatar
      Uli

      @Ivan about content sure but not about powers. the lisbon treaty actually weakened the power of the Commission. That should arouse you actually

    • avatar
      Uli

      who is behaving like commies..please specifiy..the European Council, the Commission, the parliament, the nations that actually are in power. Im always not sure if you mix that on purpose or you dont know better…

    • avatar
      Steven

      @Ivan that is probably the best joke I’ve ever heard in my entire life!

    • avatar
      Dee

      D’Estaing is also on record as saying the treaty was deliberately made unreadable so governments could sell it better to their citizens…nothing to see here just another EU treaty,no need for a referendum so let’s ratify it

  1. avatar
    Ha Enn

    Yes, but not within the next 10 years and not including all current members of the EU.

    • avatar
      George

      corect!

  2. avatar
    Marcello

    Why do we must to copy USA’s ethimology?

    • avatar
      Dee

      Because it makes big business richer

    • avatar
      Marcello

      I mean copying the naming style.

  3. avatar
    Vasilis

    We must! Its gonna be either EU or wars, as it has been happening in the very recent past

    • avatar
      Marvin

      EU or Wars?? I would have thought you could use the term EU as a replacement for the word ‘war’ It was very keen to be involved in several of the Gulf Wars, while the general public did not want anything to do with them.

  4. avatar
    Eds

    I don’t know about a US of E but maybe blocs such as a Germanic Confederation or a Francophonic Alliance. Bit hard to have a Union when the differences are still too vast.

  5. avatar
    catherine benning

    Will we ever have a United States of Europe?

    No, because it is a fraud. And because it is not in the European peoples knowledge of what this global project really is. And when they find out just what the aim of the globalists have in all of this secrecy, and understand the project in full, it will lead to civil war.

    Lets hope those who begin the fight back realise that ordinary citizens, in this deception, are completely ignorant. So when the flashpoint erupts, they start with those who are responsible for the end of European culture and civilisation and not with the innocents lost in the quagmire.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JXm5hklbBsA&list=PLTsSCrgvx_f0YMho5GxrPe-hz_6DWnoDP

  6. avatar
    Ludovina Margarido

    A Europa deve mantaer-se unida si, mas nunca numa versão à Americana! A Europa é o conjunto de nações que se juntaram pela paz… mas cada nação tem a sua história e as suas características! Devem juntar-se também como potência económica previlegiando o bem estar das pessoas, a livre circulação, o ambiente, a produção de energias limpas! temos todaos a ganhar! Este é o nosso MEP da Sustentabilidade que defende um Portugal sem medo e uma Europa sem medo! Eu confio nos seus argumentos e nas suas decisões! Carlos Zorrinho do grupo S&D! https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=788175907896885&set=a.536300576417754.1073741834.100001134490748&type=3&theater

  7. avatar
    Achim

    I obviously am for a unified Europe. There’s no alternative.

    • avatar
      Luca

      Who said this? God? Or the ones that take profit from this non democratical situation?

  8. avatar
    Esther

    I don’t think so, Europe is so different from the USA. But we can work together.

    • avatar
      Aldo

      I totally agree.

  9. avatar
    Karin

    The United States of Europe are a vision related back to the 19 th century when pacifists stated an idea of everlasting peace in Europe. Funny enough I think Europe will end up united, although the EU seems to be drifting apart due to major mistakes: An united currency is the last step of gathering together, before you have to unify the retirement age, the average salary amount, the taxes, the corporate rules… The EU is having a lack fo ethical care for the loosers of the digital revolution. Answers ar more than needed. Nationalism and protectionism in combination with scam goats are the outcome of the failed leadership.

    • avatar
      Bódis

      That’s the PR-story. In real life it’s about the acquisition of resources, markets and transport routes that are still in Europeand hands. It will be easy to convince one big central government of the “necessity of small government” and open up multibillion-euro markets, etc. The countries individually wouldn’t do that.

    • avatar
      Karin

      Ambivalent what you mean by PR side… Inevitably the EU organizations are having the face of evil monsters, too, with stealing resources, markets, transportation routes, destroying existences, regional growth. This is the face of Neolieralism in the western & far eastern world. It comes down who is in the lead – or allowed by the big players to rule – history is so far repeating: If the level of suffering gets too high, heads will roll and changes will be made: So the elite is forced to assure positive balance for the “sheeple”.

    • avatar
      Bódis

      We are moving towards a global slaving society where freedom means anyone can f*** just about anything while more and more of the value you create with your work ends up in the hands of globalist oligarchs, directly through products, services and employment and indirectly through state debt and state puchases. S0r0s is an agent in this process. >> See the role of Crassus in bringing down the Roman Republic.

  10. avatar
    John Costigane

    A European Republic will restore full democratic rights to all Europeans. The current EU is anti-democratic since the popular will is absent from most of the decision making, relying on an unelected bureaucracy.

    Not only is democracy lacking but the crisis management system is defficient, judging by previous events. An elected President, with other democratic structures, has the mandate to react decisively. Look at the USA. President Trump has been quick to overturn the previous Democrat mismanagement. Europe deserves the same type of system.

  11. avatar
    Thomas

    No we are are different countries with our own identities what’s good for Germany may not be good for ireland in fact we lost our fishing rights while the Spanish fish these waters how can that be good.

  12. avatar
    Giuseppe

    È necessaria l’Europa Unita da ideali di pace, fratellanza, giustizia. Tuttavia ogni Paese deve mantenere le proprie peculiarità e diversità. Non deve esserci appiattimento e uniformità culturale.
    Ogni Paese procede con I suoi ritmi, in differenti ambiti, secondo le inclinazioni delle sue genti.
    I Paesi più virtuosi saranno un faro per quelli meno capaci senza però dover applicare loro penalità e sanzioni.

  13. avatar
    April

    I’d literally take up arms to prevent it. There isn’t much tolerance let alone apatite in Ireland for a federal Europe.

    • avatar
      Mark

      Well I don’t in anyway see myself as european. I’m Irish and that’s that and would not for one second would I ever agree to a federalist european superstate. What would be the point in fighting for independence and then signing it away. As you said and thankfully so there is no appetite in Ireland for such a move.

    • avatar
      April

      Being in the EU is a handy trading arrangement. Beyond that I don’t consider myself in any way European. I don’t agree with a European army either. As far as I’m concerned someone from Spain is as foreign to me as someone from America or China. I dont agree with further European integration at all what so ever.

    • avatar
      Dee

      We’d only be made vote again on it anyways

  14. avatar
    April

    Regardless of how many of us support the EU as it stands

  15. avatar
    EU Reform- Proactive

    In fact some EU VIP’s have already decided: “The EU MUST become a United States of Europe by 2025”! Really?

    One of them is German SPD leader Mr. M. Schulz. He proposes (demands) that “countries that do not adopt the (latest) treaty should be kicked out of the EU”!

    That’s the German way to build “unity”! A faint reminder of what happened on 12 March 1938- 80 years ago!

    Or- is he trying to fulfill Karl Marx’s prediction of a European “classless society”? Another German “ANSCHLUSS” but on European scale! Very frightening! That alone should trigger a polite thank you Mr. Schulz- but not your way!

    There are many other options to unite, cooperate & standardize than handing over ones sovereignty to a handful overzealous political racketeers!

    The latest love potion from Brussels- to induce eternal EU love- is free rail travel for the youth! Paid for by Mr. Juncker & Co from their salary?

    The search and debate is ongoing:
    http://debatepedia.idebate.org/en/index.php/Debate:_EU_federalism

    • avatar
      EU Reform- Proactive

      “Free EU interrail pass”?

      I hope the EU youth understands clearly what’s behind Brussels political vote buying effort- by granting a “limited interrail pass”?

      However, nothing is for free. In return the EC expects staunch EU support. Today’s investment in an “EU supranational Youth Brigade”- tomorrow a ripe group of convinced political EU cadres!

      But let them enjoy their free travel & good luck- while the EU is so generous with our taxes. God only knows how long it will last.

      http://www.dw.com/en/eu-to-give-free-interrail-train-passes-to-30000-teens/a-42793625

  16. avatar
    Josh

    I think the EU is too large and too diverse to be fairly represented by a federation. Look at the busted, inefficient, discordant American federal government. Do we want to run like that?

    However closer ties, such as for defense, seem less a matter of if than when. It’s not correct (or wise) to rely on America for defense anymore.

    • avatar
      Zap

      this

  17. avatar
    Mark

    Such a project would go down faster than the titanic did. I personally would hate such a thing to happen and i much prefer to be in a sovereign independent nation than a province in a european superstate. My national identity heritage and culture are too important to me. I welcome closer economic ties and closer ties as friendly nations in partnership with one another but not at the cost of our sovereignty that was fought for with great sacrifice.

  18. avatar
    Bódis

    The United States made big business richer while compared to the level of GDP produced, the quality of life for everyone else is lower.

    Why should we be so dumb as to copy *that*?

    • avatar
      Dee

      That’s why the corporations want a united states of Europe and are pushing for it

  19. avatar
    Adrian

    If there is, Britain would be Puerto Rico. Not quite in but not quite out either.

  20. avatar
    Franz M

    Basically we have United States as soon as the council is replaced by an elected chamber representing the nation states which works by a qualified majority and the parliament being the leading legislative entity. We should than also disuss which issues should be decided on the EU level and how they are financed (taxes) (but please use another name! It a evokes to be a copy of the USA which nobody wants. The first constitution should be open for discussion. Anyhow we can have a look what topics are treated on a federal level in the US and which are treated on a state level and of course if it works well that way or not.)

  21. avatar
    Dario

    We are all european brothers and we need Europe so much! But Europe can’t replace our nations (and our people) with an empty feeling of none! We need EUROPEAN NATIONALISM, to make people feel what we were, what we are and what we mat be again! This is the only one optione to compete and bring back what Europe was! European nationalism!

  22. avatar
    Yuri michaelski

    After the fall of communism….when asked what he thought of the EU Gorbachev replied…..Its the Soviet Union but under a different name. Says it all.

  23. avatar
    Ralf

    A union of citizens is better than a union of states, but both are improvements on the basically intergovernmental EU we have.

  24. avatar
    Alessandro

    We already have in some ways… this must be improved, renforced and well explained to eurosceptics… do not leave decision on our future to those manipulating masses…

  25. avatar
    linda

    The question is whether we want to.

  26. avatar
    ironworker

    Will we ever have a United States of Europe?

    Not under 2018 “management”.

  27. avatar
    Paul X

    Considering the EU was formed off the back of rampant anti-US sentiments (particularly from the French), it’s is ironic for anyone to wish the future of the EU to be in any way similar

  28. avatar
    peter

    Europe seems to have forgotten who it was, it did lead the world for a long time, until ww2 miltary competition and other nations like usa started to undermine it and weaken it.Europe needs to be united miltarily but independent as nations.This has always spurred the best competition between the various european nations.stop copying the Usa, they stole alot of our patents , ideas and experts and are only out for there own glories at the expense of Europe. The usa with its blinker miltary imperialism will become a promblem unless there are a few equal counterforces to them. Europe should get rid of usa bases out of Europe firstly. End Nato with its US control.. Then Europeans can lift there heads again as independent, but now there looking like lackeys of US Imperialism..

  29. avatar
    Solutons 2nd edition

    In my opinion the European Union will never become the uniform state. The point is that the different nations have different moral standards.

  30. avatar
    Bert van Santen

    No.
    I pray for my country that it will never happen. The Netherlands and Germany simply can`t afford it.

  31. avatar
    Ivan

    I could have answered for them without reading it, of course the pro EU empire builders think it will happen. Unfortunately for them the peoples in the EU do not want it and when push comes to shove they will fight for their Nation, not for the EU.

    • avatar
      Grant

      War isn’t the same as political integration though is it

    • avatar
      Ivan

      Grant

      Who actually wants a political union comrade ?

      The only people to be asked if they want ‘political integration’ were the French and the Dutch and both rejected it but the EU fanatics enforced it anyway, you call that democratic ?

      The citizens of the 1917 Revolution & the 1927 Nuremberg Rally didn’t think what they were supporting would lead to world war and the deaths of hundreds of millions of people but it happened.

      Europeans have clearly learnt nothing from their history & are destined to repeat it. Thank god we are leaving the antidemocratic EU.

  32. avatar
    Alexander

    Isnt a European Union of independant countries quite different from a European Republic?

  33. avatar
    Craig

    Not if current management keeps up doing what they’re doing.

  34. avatar
    Damian

    If we take a look at the bigger scene and we want to save the european civilisation ( with ups and downs ) we must go for it. Else, no European nation will make it to the end.

  35. avatar
    Stanislav Stoynev

    Never. It is impossible.

  36. avatar
    Frank

    I like the idea of a United States of Europe. When we look at the world, really it’s only the massive countries like USA, Russia and China that have any impact or relevance and the fact that Europe is divided into tiny countries that can barely function without having a really close relationship with each other does not seem to be a major benefit to anyone. If Europe were one force pulling in one direction, o much more could be accomplished. Also, it would really be a major step in equality.

    Many people are worried that the USE would cause a lot of different countries’ cultures and traditions to die out but I don’t think it would because England and Scotland still have very different cultures despite being in the same country and the same with New York and California.

  37. avatar
    George

    In 1975 the British electorate were told before the referendum , by Edward heath that talk of a federal Europe was nonsense, there would never be one.that’s why people voted yes. The people were lied to.

    • avatar
      Jim

      George That was 44 years ago, we are nowhere near a Federal Europe (and very unlikely UK will be in it if there ever is) and there wasn’t one in Heaths lifetime!! Not sure where the lie was!!

    • avatar
      George

      Jim EU notables are pressing for it all the time, keep up please, The 75 referendum told us it was all about trading together and being happy little bunnies, they say that many old people voted in the 2016 referendum, they were not old in 1975.it took over 40 years for revenge, they never forgot and took it.

  38. avatar
    Steve

    No we wont because a ‘Pan National’ is just what it says.

  39. avatar
    Jiri

    Only if it was federation a la Switzerland not America, with member states guranteed protection of national language and culture and strong with local self-governance. To give federal mandate to EU as it is now would mean instant handover of all of us and our communities to global banks and multinational corporations.

  40. avatar
    Chik

    My brothers and sisters, this century, let us together establish United Earth 🌍 to replace the United Nations which is ineffective and unable to keep world peace due to the unfair veto system of the super powers. We are all children of Adam and are brethren. We should have the right to emigrate and live and work anywhere in the earth as long as we pay local taxes and obey local laws. The main reason for conflict is nationalism. Let us unite at the district, state, regional and global levels. Peace be with you all.

    • avatar
      Tyrone

      What are you talking about nationalism is not the biggest problem we face, that’s greed..
      Why not allow the poor to become poorer, let’s allow the greed and capitalism to destroy this world, why not?
      Peace and love will not come at the hands of globalisation, small communities were people govern themselves and are not beholden to others, were mankind love and work for the good of there neighbours…
      Globalisation should only become a concept when humankind has defeated our personal and social biases..

    • avatar
      Chik

      Tyrone greed for whose sakes? Our selves, families, tribes and races or countries. Nationalism exploits issues of economy, race and religion for it’s cause.

    • avatar
      William

      Chik the problem with it is infrastructure, prosperous countries will have millions arrive, the UK would be crippled, look how millions of unskilled Europeans have over stretched our schools, health, infrastructure, housing and our benefits system… These things need to be gradual and planned

    • avatar
      Chik

      William disclaimer is “obey local laws”.

  41. avatar
    Tyrone

    Are you crazy have you looked at trumps America…
    This should be a wake up call for anyone thinking we are ready for a global economy, we have seen what happens when countries grow to large and the people are forgotten, to quickly..

  42. avatar
    Pedro

    Not really it would destroy the character of. European countries variety is a good thing to preserve, different countries have different traditions so it should be

    • avatar
      Christina

      Pedro I think it increases the character of countries. The Scots and Welsh have maintained their traditions in the U.K.

  43. avatar
    Nick

    It doesn’t matter what any one thinks, they are going to do it any way. No choice really now Europe is chained together with their economies enslaved by the Euro. What worries me is not it’s formation. That’s already rolling forward. It what it does when it ends and people begin to resist.

  44. avatar
    Chris

    I hope so. Globalisation has its positives and negatives, but the EU provides a level of human rights, employment protection and environmental protection that is desperately needed. A United States of Europe would have to distribute its wealth more equitably, though – rich countries would need to help out poorer countries in the Union. Of course, as a Brit, this is just a pipe dream for me unless we reverse the disaster for the UK that is Brexit.

  45. avatar
    Daniel

    There would be a high chance if all EU member states spoke one language and shared very close resemblance with culture. Unfortunately ex communist countries (I come from one of them) are completely different in mentality , way of thinking and culture compared to Western Europe — it’s a fact, but in the end many things can be achieved with effort, but the idea of creating the United States of Europe can stand only in our imagination.

    The EU is there to unite European countries together and apply laws such as freedom of movement and etc which are very neat in my opinion, but the idea of United States of Europe is just stupid — at least at the moment and current time we live in maybe , sorry .

    • avatar
      Denry

      Yes they attempted that already it was called Esperanto, in the days of the EEC.

  46. avatar
    John

    Yes it’s inevitable, but democratic process would have to voted on by individual states. We are in a world of large power block and 10 world trade blocks. Any one who thinks that a small country can punch above its wait are romantic at best and deluded at worst.

  47. avatar
    Peter

    FCO 30/1048 FULL DOCUMENT. This is the FCOs document in 1971 outlining the effects of joining the ‘Common Market’.
    It was subsequently hidden under the 30 year rule and promptly disappeared again in 2002.
    Pages 18-44 out of the 224 pages explain the eventual loss of sovereignty and also the areas of control IMMEDIATELY LOST to our own parliament including (on page 44) –
    Agriculture:
    Monopolies and restrictive practices
    Free movement of labour, services and capital:
    Fisheries:
    State aid for Industry:
    Coal and Steel:
    Nuclear energy industry:
    Values added tax
    Social security for migrants etc.
    To me this explains the reason behind Ted Heath and Margaret Thatchers role in the demise of our coal industry and the demise of our Steel industry and the selling off of our Post Office and nuclear expertise by Blair / Brown. etc.etc.
    The document also goes on to say that it is advisable that the blame for unpopular policies should be borne by our parliament so as not to tarnish the image of the EEC.

  48. avatar
    Joseph

    NO TO THE UNITED STATES OF EUROPE! DOWN WITH A UNITED EUROPE! SOVEREIGNTY AND FREEDOM FOR THE NATION-STATES OF EUROPE!

  49. avatar
    James

    Yes Hungary. Poland to name but two appear to have a different mindset with regard to democracy

  50. avatar
    Phil

    United Europe…A territory considered as an organized political community under one government, joined together politically, for a common purpose, or by common feelings…it will never happen

  51. avatar
    Jim

    It’s not what the mp’s think that matters.

  52. avatar
    Professor Hercules Haralambides

    With fiscal coordination and higher defence budgets, actually we are not too far away from a federal Europe, were it not for the ‘language’ problem and the ludicrousness of unanimity in decision-making. We know what are the reforms that we need to do and what type of politicians we need to elect. Last chance to win back a disillusioned populace. We should not move head to head with Italy and the successor of Mrs. Merkel might be a “make or break” situation.

  53. avatar
    Pierre Andreas van der Venne

    I do believe Dr. Alan Greenspan’s reasoning (“The Map and Territory 2.0”) ;
    ‘The cultural differenses between the states are obstackles to ever unite them .
    Likelyhood of unison ;
    certain parts of
    France,Austria,Germany,Luxemburg,Belgium,Netherlands,Denmark,UK,Sweden,Finland.Norway.
    (where Kantism thrives).
    Likelyhood of Unison: certain parts of France,Spain,Italy,Portugal,Kroatia
    Because of the shared philisofy and culture.
    Coincidently, the Alps devide us.

  54. avatar
    Gian Luca

    Actually, there isn’t any “European politburo”. There are European institutions. The most democratic institution is the European Parliament, which is elected by European people.
    Euroskeptics say that is anti-democratic: it’s not. The States are well represented in the European Council: almost every decision, every regulation is taken with the unanimity of the Council.

  55. avatar
    steve FOSTER

    Why would all these single countries want to join together and eventualy become a new superpower I think its a bad idea as was the euro for all of you, eventualy it will bring you into conflict and why make it so difficult to leave ? Britain fought for you all in ww2 without being a united state of Europe.

    • avatar
      Sue

      The more dictatorial Brussels becomes and the more it tries to force countries closer and closer together, the quicker it will bring about its own demise. Free trade should not mean political or monetary union and countries like Spain, Italy, Portugal and Greece have definitely not benefited from being in the Eurozone.

  56. avatar
    Sue

    The more dictatorial Brussels becomes and the more it tries to force countries closer and closer together, the quicker it will bring about its own demise. Free trade should not mean political or monetary union and countries like Spain, Italy, Portugal and Greece have definitely not benefited from being in the Eurozone.

  57. avatar
    Julia

    I don’t think EU citizens or even EU member country governments are anywhere near wanting a United States of Europe. The EU will have to be ultra social with equal basic wages, equal benefits, a gmi, free education, an equal healthcare system that is free for the vulnerable etc. The corporate serving EU as it is now doesn’t stand a chance with this US plan. Plus people are seeing the downside of no borders just like the US- more crime, less jobs, people willing to work double hours for half the wages because this is like being rich compared to what they would earn at ‘home’. Poverty would have to be abolished for this to even stand a glimmer of a chance.

  58. avatar
    Stylian

    I read about “equal basic wages”, VAT, Hungary’s opinion on same-sex marriage etc.
    I’ll just refer to the basic income in Massachusetts, Maryland, Alaska, DC, New Hampshire, Connecticut, Hawaii, New Jersey (above 70000$) compared to Louisiana, New Mexico, Kentucky, Alabama, West Virginia, Arkansas, Mississippi (below 45000$).
    What’s about the “State sales tax”? Which is around 8% in California and 0% in its neighbour state of Oregon!
    And why gay people could successfully get married (before 2015) in New York and Nevada, while this wasn’t possible in Texas and Ohio?

    Europeans should learn more about USA, before express their opinion about its structure!

  59. avatar
    George

    I don’t think we have enough oil, for “Democracy to be exported” to us by USA, but who knows… plutocracy may eventually win, and your wish may become true.

    • avatar
      Anelia

      That’s a good one 😎

    • avatar
      Boyko

      Spot on😅

  60. avatar
    Olivier

    Oligarchy spoiled and destroyed the European dream… It s over

    • avatar
      Anelia

      That’s a good one 😎

    • avatar
      Władysław

      No need for a totalitarian state thank you very much

  61. avatar
    Vasilis

    Of course not! We have different languages , different cultures, different interests and a lot of hate for each other! The best we will have is a minimum financial political line as long as our governments serve the interests of german and french plutocracy!

  62. avatar
    Moreno

    “United States of Europe” means that there is only one government with one common economy, one army, “one spread” and so on.
    I never heard about a spread between Texas and Illinois.
    Europe has many things to fix before becoming a Union, but there is the will to be such a Union? For example I am worried about Brexit, in my opinion UK out of EU is a big loss for both sides.

    • avatar
      Jarlath

      true on Brexit. Personally, I think the current EU is closer to what the founding fathers of the US had in mind. Come together as a union for some things but each state having its own freedom and sovereignty. I think apart from a few stubborn issues in the EU, it works really well. It’s run by humans so there will always be mistakes made but for the most part it gets alot right and balances a successful regional market economy with egalitarianism better than anywhere else on earth. Maybe just doesn’t communicate it right. Keep it as is. And an army means we get sucked into crap that doesn’t involve us so a big no to that too.

    • avatar
      Jack

      a lot of what you said I agree with. But the necessity of an European army is quite pressing I think. Not only as a united army we would improve our capabilities and credibility but each member would also save a lot of money individually. As for the use of such an army it would be defensive and nothing more.

  63. avatar
    Andrea

    impossible.The us is a single nation with one language. We fortunately aren’t. So you ussr dreams are mismatched xP

    • avatar
      Antonio

      language it is not a limit

    • avatar
      Andrea

      language is not the only things keeping us apart: culture, national interests, fiscal sistems.
      The eu should really stop bullying its way forward and start giving back powers to the nations and its people.

    • avatar
      Antonio

      LOL to whom, Di Maio and Salvini? LOL

  64. avatar
    Alex

    The Democratic Peoples Republic of Europe, maybe.

  65. avatar
    Antonio

    YES, by getting rid of local nations and moving fast into a federal government of smaller European regions – think to Switzerland!

  66. avatar
    Manuel

    it is impossible for it to be a federation of states by language, culture, society and sovereign interests of the EU member states.

  67. avatar
    Gemma

    United states of real human social and politicd rights.
    Now eu are a privat club of cinics politics

  68. avatar
    Georgi

    no need to change the magnificent brand ”EU”

  69. avatar
    Jack

    Then stay out man, but don’t spoil the aspirations of others for peace, security and economical stability. Out of an even more United Europe each single member is outmatch by reality.

  70. avatar
    Barry Curtis

    Fellow Europeans,
    The mere suggestion of a United States of Europe, will always bring the big brother concept into competition with the national identities of every European citizen. The wheels of change are already moving forward by the EU elite, who want a European Army and stronger financial control by the European Central Bank over all EU members by 2025, by doing so, these measures will water down the remaining independent processes every government is able to do currently, and before you know it a superstate is born.

  71. avatar
    Andreea

    Definitely against. Every country should preserve its own identity, land, borders, customs and traditions .

    • avatar
      Demetris

      it baffles me when people believe traditions and identity are going to disappear. Those don’t go anywhere even if a federation happens

    • avatar
      Paschalis

      oh yes it does… Just look at the Soviet Union and its states that last a lot of their traditions

    • avatar
      Constantinescu

      Including wars…

    • avatar
      Sofia

      that’s because the SU was an oppressive power. The EU puts a lot of money into preserving culture and diversity across Europe by protecting minority languages for instance.
      The small countries of Europe (which is all of them) don’t stand a chance alone next to the likes of US, Russia, or China. We need to work together, not become each other. In a United Europe the countries will still be different. I celebrate cultural diversity and national pride. We just need to work together, and make sure there’s equal opportunity for everyone across the EU.

    • avatar
      Paschalis

      realistically we are not united let alone by the looks of it we will never be due to one factor and that is Brussels is just over reaching their power on domestic policies of every state. The only country that has benefited the most in the EU was Germany

    • avatar
      Gustav

      How do you think your own identity and traditions would change?

    • avatar
      Sofia

      I understand these concerns. For example in Hungary, the EU is giving us a lot of money to help hungarian businesses but the government is stealing it and only their circle of friends gets rich. Meanwhile workers are labouring in factories to produce german cars for incredibly low wages. This is a problem. But these aren’t solved by disintegration because whether EU or not we are dependent on each other. So, the EU needs to be reformed in such a way that these problems be solved. But on the global scale we need to show a united front or be swept away.

    • avatar
      Gustav

      none of those issues where culture, traditions etc.
      How do you think your identity and traditions would change?

    • avatar
      Paschalis

      the same is happening in Greece, the question you would have to answer, why that is the EU political elite is doing nothing about it is because they are doing the same amongst themselves

  72. avatar
    Pedro

    Absolutly for!
    Can’t happen fast eneugh

  73. avatar
    Pieralessio

    I agree. But I would be more for a Federation. Obviously it’s not possible in a short time.

  74. avatar
    GC

    The more united, the better! 🇪🇺💪🏻👌🏻

    • avatar
      Bódis

      No EUSSR, thanks. Centralized control sucks. It ruins the economy and takes away freedom.

    • avatar
      Bódis

      You should get some better education instead of brainwashing.

    • avatar
      Rumy

      I’m voting against

    • avatar
      Susan

      we had one, we voted against. Europeans have abandoned their own country for a EU dictatorship Shame on them.

    • avatar
      Николай

      U are still leaving. Expecting next millennium to happen

  75. avatar
    Stephen

    For with a real democratic leadership.

  76. avatar
    Rumy

    A modified version of the USSR? …because it worked great for them.

    • avatar
      Alex

      Or the US maybe. Just have the EU level and then small counties so people can solve there local issues on the local level, without the country states. Best way to take care of things

  77. avatar
    Christopher

    1000% FOR but equality for the Countries must be the Top Priority.
    At the moment everything is working for the north European Countries and only and almost none doing anything about it, only words speaking but nothing is acting to this direction.

    • avatar
      Павел

      There will never be equality, this is how this world works.

    • avatar
      Rumy

      Why do you think Eastern Europeans countries got accepted in the EU? To provide cheap labour and a market for Western European countries. We work for them. The EU didn’t expand because they “love” us and want “equality. It’s all about power, control and money.

    • avatar
      Paul

      do get out work in your country for 200 euros who asked you to work for somebody else seriously. You blame the other countries and not yourself

    • avatar
      Alex

      We should just abonden the concept of countries. Germany can’t be equal to Lithuania, so we shoul make the EU state and then small regions to take of their local issues. A country level in between those is useless and wastes money

  78. avatar
    Asawa

    Yes. Strongly in favor of the United States of Europe. The younger generation deserves it

  79. avatar
    Rick

    United? Sure, but isn’t EU just that? Only one sovereign European State? Not likely to ever happen. Especially while sovereign Kingdoms exist headed by Royalty.

  80. avatar
    Wasim

    It’s wrong, Europa isn’t US, Europa is totally unready for such thing , there is high risk to collapse in short time

    • avatar
      Paul

      you are not even European who asked you

    • avatar
      Wasim

      True, but what does that mean? That i don’t have right to give my opinion?
      I have been in Germany for 4 years, and been in touch with exchange student from around Europe each year, i don’t claim to be European neither that i know Europa, but from what i gathered from information and what i have observed i am giving a free opinion, i hope it’s not forbidden ….

    • avatar
      Anelia

      I’m European and totally agree 👍 with him!

    • avatar
      Wasim

      Thank you Anelia, however it’s not about agree or disagree, i totally respect both side, you absolutely have the right to disagree, but disagree the point and the context don’t disagree the person himself, just because he knows absolutely nothing about, my Facebook page is so outdated that only contains the basic thing
      After all i live in Germany and politics affected me wether i liked it or not, excluding the person just because he is not part of the nationality is tge exact definition of racism which i assume should stand against it because we don’t want another ww3 from another freaking racist
      After all, this platform offer a free speaking place were you can exchange opinion and ideas, not for decision making,

    • avatar
      Anelia

      Unfortunately, the politics are affecting all of us, the taxpayers, because we are paying theirs unsenity, greedy and hypocrisy

    • avatar
      Carlos

      we need global solutions for migrations, climate change, globalization and economy. We need a European government, a united bank system and a united army to fight against bigger threatens. Most of us born after the 80/90’s we love Europe, as we nowadays have more chance to meet all the countries easily and we share so much history, traditions and diversity in a unique way that we want that to become part of a bigger picture 😉 so yes, we are ready for Europe as a country

    • avatar
      Wasim

      It’s all true what you said dear Carlos, however we should learn the lesson of Brexit, it’s true the young generation in Europe are eager to united, however the is huge population from old one which stands against not to mention east Europe who not that much in favour for EU itself, last but not least those far right parties which also are not in favor for it
      I mean just look what happens yesterday in EU Parlament from Brexit members, how rude?
      So yes i agree you have huge challenges that need huge solution (perhaps like stronger United than Union, United States) but my point of view to the events says Europe sadly aren’t ready yet
      However it’s not that bad news if you could maintain and upgrade what you already have
      For example you mentioned the need of a united army you have Nato which is strong enough to scare Russia which is good enough in my opinion, of course there is always constantly continuing challenges but for mean time is fine
      You mention the eed for European government, let it comes from European Parliament, United banks you have the euro so? I mean there is still countries like Denmark refuse it
      In summery :
      I totally agree with you despite about time and capabilities
      There is step should be takrn before considering united, that my opinion

    • avatar
      Rick

      true, the USA is united by the challenges its forefathers encountered. It’s very hard to replicate. Not even the UK can replicate it, Germany nor France the same (cannot replicate it.)

  81. avatar
    Павел

    Against! Countries in Europe are already united with free movement of goods and people. Europeans are already fed up with the constant push of regulation after regulation taking away people’s freedom while those same unelected hypocrites pretend to consider it main european value.

    • avatar
      Paul

      Bulgarians honestly nobody cares about your saying. You are not even full members of EU. When you become one then you LL have a saying for now sit and watch and play mob wars with your fully corrupted politicians

    • avatar
      Павел

      you do understand that you just proved my point with your idiotic comment, right? Please elaborate on how exactly aren’t we full members of the EU, I am always eager to and evaluate new levels of stupid quotes by members of this grup. Especially, being Greek and talking about corruption in Bulgaria (which is sadly true) it is a bit rich of you, don’t you think?

    • avatar
      Wasim

      Dear Paul, if you are incapable to give a straight opinion, please don’t hang around tolling on other opinion’s, respect yourself please, and behave, thank you 😊

    • avatar
      Любомир

      This is rich, coming from a guy whose country manipulated statistics to get into the Eurozone, went bankrupt less than a decade later and is now practically owned by German and French banks. 😂

  82. avatar
    Monika

    Unfortunately, it’s just a dream, Europeans can’t even agree on a common new parliament, they can only fight for themselves, maybe a funding is possible, but I doubt that too

  83. avatar
    Chris

    “United” doesn’t mean anything. By the way “prosperity & peace” sounds very funny for south.

  84. avatar
    Civis

    For! This is the only way to stop nationalism in the long term. And to those who would say it undermines national identity, I would say that even in a federal country with one identity such as the US, states are massively different in customs, traditions and mentrality.

    • avatar
      David

      You want to stop nationalism with super nationalism bizarre how your mind works.

    • avatar
      Paschalis

      The best way to contradict yourself…

    • avatar
      Oliver

      because the US was settled pretty much by one culture that held dominance while other culture migrants moved in, meanwhile europe has many diffrent cultures and even diffrent language groups that have diffrent languageses in them, it cant be compered to the US

    • avatar
      Anelia

      You look television to much my dear 😀😀😀😀😀 What’s was wrong with Europe before EU my dear , more work, low prices…….just stop with bullshits

    • avatar
      Civis

      Unemployment and rising prices are not the result of the EU, but rather of years of botched economic and fiscal policies in individual member states – e.g. Spain, Greece, Italy etc. It’s wrong to blame the EU for things that went wrong on a local level because of populism and overspending. Yes, the single market means more competition, but competition is part of the game and those coiuntries which fail to adapt inavariably pay the price. Germany and most Scandinavian EU members went through tough labour market reforms in the 1990s and adapted. Others didn’t and are now facing the consequences.

  85. avatar
    Marc

    Against – global allegances just perpetuates cold /wars. It’s time for nations to concentrate on their own problems – god knows, we have enough of them!

  86. avatar
    Tiago

    yes for it but for true Europeans not United states of europe for mass migrants europe for europeans

  87. avatar
    Paul

    Lets have a referendum….after all what could possibly go wrong !!

  88. avatar
    Lieva

    For, we are stronger together! I am really proud of being an European citizen!

  89. avatar
    John-romi

    So far it is good just for the big corporations, otherwise it is still far away for some countries specialy minimum wage or benefits.

  90. avatar
    Valentin

    For, i was in study group regarding federalism led by ALDE IM.

  91. avatar
    Sam

    How can a country as small as Malta have the same economy as U.K. and Germany it’s a route to disaster

    • avatar
      Alex

      North Dakota doesn’t have the same economy as California either^^

    • avatar
      Sam

      No but part of USA we don’t want united stats of Europe

  92. avatar
    Spyros

    FOR!! We are already LATE!! 🇪🇺🇪🇺🇪🇺

  93. avatar
    Wolfgang

    aigainst! civilized countries should know how to cooperate and respect each other. tools can be intercultural and interreligious dialogue.

  94. avatar
    Anna

    Yes for… but without influx of refugees and migrants…but l’m afraid Europeans are not ready for this change for at least another 50 years… cultural differences, languages and history of each country being the reason.

  95. avatar
    Любомир

    The peoples and nations of Europe shouldn’t need an overpowering bureaucratic European super-state to cooperate, trade and travel freely across Europe and live together in peace! The more political power we give to the EU institutions, the less political power we as citizens have over our own countries and over our own social, political and economic environment.

    • avatar
      Gustav

      do you or Google know how many employees EU have?

    • avatar
      Любомир

      Too many already.

    • avatar
      Gustav

      But you don’t know, so your opinion is based on ignorance. Solid.

    • avatar
      Любомир

      Why do you assume I don’t know? And how does the number by itself tell you if it is enough, not enough, or too much? You aren’t very solid yourself.

    • avatar
      Gustav

      I assume it because you don’t know. It’s that simple.
      You can easily prove me wrong though. When you have proved me wrong I’ll ask how many employees the tenth largest city in your country has. Then I’ll ask if that number is a huge bureaucracy. Then I win.
      So you’ll say you know, but you won’t tell.

  96. avatar
    Gustav

    I was so proud of Europe and the EU when Trump threatened tariffs, and Europe immediately responded. Because the Commission has that power, Europe wasn’t for once powerless.
    But in most other cases, Europe is just disregarded. It’s humiliating.

    • avatar
      Любомир

      Maybe Trump wouldn’t be so firm with the EU countries if they followed their contractual obligations and payed their share of the NATO budget. Europe’s defense and safety currently basically depends on the USA.

    • avatar
      Gustav

      Yes, I agree we should have a unified European military.

  97. avatar
    Nelson

    It depends who rules… If EU becomes the IV-th Reich, we better say “pass”… Just like the british. Don’t forget America became USA in more than a century… Don’t hurry, because it hurts…

    • avatar
      Alex

      countries should be disbanded in this scenario. Just have the EU and then local counties like Valonia, Lombardia, Bavaria. So local people can solve their local problems. No need for the in between country level

  98. avatar
    Olivier

    For if we do it with 8 to 10 countries which has reached the same economic level if we have a social and tax policy if each countries binds itself to develop a European army equipped with European equipment if outside borders are controlled…. If if…

  99. avatar
    Tony

    Against. It’s already a commie like hell hole, can’t imagine giving Brussels more control.

  100. avatar
    Andreas

    We must work for a stronger Europe and a stronger foreign policy, for this to happen we also need a unified European Army to be able to support that foreign policy. This is how the voice of Europe will be respected and taken into consideration by the rest of the world.

  101. avatar
    Nelson

    Yeah… Sure… Sounds nice. But whatever we do, after demolishing national states, we still get an Empire, not a real Union…

  102. avatar
    Charles

    100% for… we are better TOGETHER!! ❤ The EU is what kept Europe out of wars after the end of WWII… Thank you!!

    • avatar
      Alex

      U r wrong…NATO kept peace in Europa

    • avatar
      Charles

      totally wrong man. Go read trade and border history.

  103. avatar
    Joris

    Yes definitely. Stronger together❤️ no more war between us

  104. avatar
    Marco

    Yes! It’s definitely the way to go.

  105. avatar
    Matt

    EU is already a joke, why make it worse.

    • avatar
      Charles

      sure… the EU is what kept Europe safe and with no wars after the end of WWII… go read some European History. You’re the joke and thats for fact. We are better TOGETHER. If you do not like it, you can pack and leave to America or somr 3rd world nation! You’re free to do so you know. No one is keeping you. Keep European affairs to Europeans please (this excludes the Brits with their Brexit, with the UK no longer existing after N Ire and Scotland get Indipendence from the UK) They fully understand the term BETTER TOGETHER rather then make or break / devide & rule something the Brexiteers are quite fond of after what they did during the times of their shameful empire. Common sense isn’t so common after all, at least with people such as your self ma’am.

    • avatar
      Matt

      You do realise NATO is basically just the US with a bunch of other small ridiculous forces. The EU with all of it combined is still a circus, maybe instead of creating an even greater Fascist state, you should all just contribute to what you agreed too. Did you really think the EU was holding back the Soviets & now the Russians.

    • avatar
      Charles

      we are the EU, and America is another thing. This is 2019! Not 1944! We will not let America destroy the EU. Good riddance for the UK to leave the bloc since they will become thr 51st US state. Scotland and N Ire will get independence from the UK in 2 years time and they will become an EU state. Empire days are over. Better TOGETHER as equals. Peace to you.

  106. avatar
    Artur

    100% against. There isn’t a European people. We’re better off cooperating as nation-states.

  107. avatar
    John

    The sooner Europe becomes one the better. No more bickering. I can’t wait to see Brits faces sulking. The truth is finally emerging about who was really the European trouble maker .

  108. avatar
    Marco

    yes! “Together” is the only way to go in order to be stronger, in peace and more competitive. Differences and contrasts also exist within the same nation…so…we need to improve coexistence within One federal and united European nation.

  109. avatar
    Alex

    Nato kept europe off wars not the Eu!
    Eu is the new fascism

  110. avatar
    Jay

    100% FOR? ..but only if I can still be a citizen…#bollockstobrexit

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