Girls are princesses and boys are soldiers. At least, that’s the stereotype. When they’re young, girls are encouraged to play with dolls. When they’re older, they are encouraged to become them: consigned to the roles of either housewife or slut.
It’s not just women. Men are also steered into carefully-defined gender roles from a young age. They must be “strong” breadwinners, they cannot cry or feel afraid, and they are too useless to be trusted by women with domestic chores.
Nevertheless, the consequences of gender stereotypes are (in terms of economic and political power) worse for women. Women have been underrepresented in leadership positions for years, even though they have long-since overtaken men in terms of education. The gender pay gap remains a fact, with a 16% wage difference between the genders across Europe.
What do our readers think? We had a comment sent in from Monica, who believes that the best place to start is in toy shops, so that young girls can discover new roles and play at traditionally male occupations. Christos thinks that we have so few women in leadership positions because it contradicts common stereotypes of men and women. Are they right?
To get a response, we spoke to Germany’s Federal Minister of Justice Katarina Barley (former Federal Minister for Family Affairs), and asked her how such stereotypes could be changed.
Sexism takes place at all levels: in the family, at school, at work, at play, in the media, in the economy and in politics. Often, sexism overlaps with other forms of discrimination based on a person’s origin, sexual identity, age or disability. Obvious cases of sexism often provoke only short-lived public outrage. Structural changes in the fight against sexism therefore need sustainable measures. These include legal changes such as the ‘No means no” principle that we incorporated into criminal law during the last legislative period, as well as awareness raising on the subject. It has to happen on all levels – in the family, at work and in our circles of friends. I would like to see that, if someone makes a sexist comment, the others present would point it out and object quite naturally.
To get another perspective, we also put Christos’ and Monica’s comments to Birgit Kelle, a journalist and activist who campaigns for a positive image of traditional gender roles in her articles and books. Does she agree with Katarina Barley that we all need to be more active to combat gender stereotypes?
I believe that the reasons why there are few women in leadership positions are very complex. The main reason is that women first entered the labour market later. So that’s purely a historical reason, in that we have lived in a man’s world for a long time. It also certainly has less to do with role models, and more to do with the different priorities of men and women. We see that even with affirmative action, women do not necessarily want top positions. Even in countries like Norway, where women benefit from affirmative action, it is no easier to fill vacancies with women. Of course, we are influenced by role models or so-called stereotypes, but we can also see in Germany and Europe that we are ruled by powerful women. These women have not been deterred by stereotypes, so we need to broach the issue of why women are really in less senior positions. It is a novelty that women work in the labour market. Therefore, without a law or quotas, I assume we will see a very different situation in 20 years. We will by then be 50% represented.
Next up, we had a comment from Thijs, pointing out that even men can be forced into negative gender stereotypes. If men do not have a full-time job and make enough money, they are not “real” men. So, they become reluctant to do their share of domestic work. How can we break down stereotypes for men, as well as for women?
Most men in our society see the need for more to be done in terms of gender equality. In order to succeed, we need more positive role models, especially for employers. It must be taken for granted that fathers spend longer periods on parental leave, reduce their working hours or even staying home when their child is ill. They have to demand this themselves, but nobody should be able to put obstacles in their way.
In addition, there are legislative changes that can make a difference. The best example here is a legal right of return from a part-time to a full-time job. This would benefit above all women, who today still too often get stuck after their education in the part-time trap. But many men would certainly want to reduce their working hours for the family. They rarely do that today because of fears of hurting their careers.
What would Birgit Kelle say about male role models?
So, just because a man earns well doesn’t mean that women cannot also earn well! What does it mean that the man is then ‘forced into a stereotype’? Instead, I find that most men like to fill this role and many women are looking for such a man. Some of these debates are very much kept in a theoretical vacuum, and when we ask people in the real world how they imagine their partner, we often find ‘clichés’ or ‘stereotypical role models’, but – oh, what a surprise – they are happy with it! Why should we change something that makes people happy?
How can we eliminate gender stereotyping? Will the gender pay gap close on its own? Let us know your thoughts and comments in the form below and we’ll take them to policymakers and experts for their reactions!
Sexism takes place at all levels: in the family, at school, at work, at play, in the media, in the economy and in politics. Often, sexism overlaps with other forms of discrimination based on a person’s origin, sexual identity, age or disability. Obvious cases of sexism often provoke only short-lived public outrage. Structural changes in the fight against sexism therefore need sustainable measures. These include legal changes such as the ‘No means no” principle that we incorporated into criminal law during the last legislative period, as well as awareness raising on the subject. It has to happen on all levels – in the family, at work and in our circles of friends. I would like to see that, if someone makes a sexist comment, the others present would point it out and object quite naturally.
I believe that the reasons why there are few women in leadership positions are very complex. The main reason is that women first entered the labour market later. So that’s purely a historical reason, in that we have lived in a man’s world for a long time. It also certainly has less to do with role models, and more to do with the different priorities of men and women. We see that even with affirmative action, women do not necessarily want top positions. Even in countries like Norway, where women benefit from affirmative action, it is no easier to fill vacancies with women. Of course, we are influenced by role models or so-called stereotypes, but we can also see in Germany and Europe that we are ruled by powerful women. These women have not been deterred by stereotypes, so we need to broach the issue of why women are really in less senior positions. It is a novelty that women work in the labour market. Therefore, without a law or quotas, I assume we will see a very different situation in 20 years. We will by then be 50% represented.
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Gender sterstypes??? Ahahah! This is a real big problem for Europe!!!
Gender stereotypes???
Far right says thanks to this nonsence problem
Education
There are no stereotypes but human nature. Respect nature!
So no medicine for you. No Internet either.
why should we?
Because it’s horrible
Most stereotypes derive from fact, so ”stopping” it seems a bit dumb. You’d basically be altering the truth (for the more reasonable ones at least), but hey, that’s what Europe is doing in other fields anyway.
Well, we already have boys that are princesses, or think they are, and girls that are actually soldiers. So, seems to me that no action is required.
Numerous studies suggest that sex differences in children’s toy preferences are partly innate and partly socio-cultural. A recent meta-analysis found that:
“From an early age, most children choose to play with toys typed to their own gender. […] Meta‐regression showed no significant effect of presence of an adult, study context, geographical location of the study, publication date, child’s age, or the inclusion of gender‐neutral toys.” (https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/abs/10.1002/icd.2064)
The scientific literature has found considerable average psychological differences between boys/men and girls/women. (On which see for instance, David Buss, “Evolutionary Psychology.”) This makes sense given human evolutionary history, where the social niches and behaviors necessary to thrive (i.e., leave many descendants) were significantly different between men and women. It would make considerable evolutionary sense for a young boy to dream of being a soldier (he might grow up to become a successful warlord with potentially hundreds of children, e.g. a large percentage of the population of Asia is descended from Genghis Khan), but that would not make sense for a young girl, for whom taking risks to win battles would not significantly increase her number of descendants.
Question: why do many in our political and cultural elites today assume that eliminating gender norms is a moral imperative? Are norms and sexual differences “oppressive” as such? Will their elimination lead to individual and collective human flourishing?
Sorry, but I don’t see how is moral to brainwash an infant, say in liking to wear pink …? Or playing with barbies? You are talking about evolution, not that long ago, there were no pink clothes and no barbies or any other such girlish things. Girls and boys alike were playing the mud, same games with the same sticks and stones. ”
In my opinion kids should be have the basic right to be exposed to a broad not biased, not gender specific, cultural, religious or otherwise, if you really respect them and their freedom to learn and choose and one doesn’t plan to brain wash them in their image and ideology.
There are many factors these studies do not take in account. Not to mention that in all cases, the subjects were still exposed to the socio-environmental “pressure” to align. And even exposure of infants in the very early development to various colors and shapes will influence their choices latter on – as they build their perception of the world little by little, say if an infant girl is dressed in pink, with a pink room and everything pink, latter on development she will choose based on pink as that is most familiar/comfortable with and so on..
However, the best evidence, that proves that women are natural to do everything, is the social evolution of the past century or so – were many women now perform, and willingly!, tasks which before were an absolute no-no. And that started to happen once certain social stereotypes started to crumble.
@Larry Lart
I don’t know how far back your “not so long ago” was but in Victorian times there was far more pressure for girls and boys to conform to traditional roles than there is these days
Who is doing the brainwashing?…I’ve never met a parent who forces their daughter to play with dolls, or wear pink frilly dresses, more girls than ever these days wear football tops and like running around kicking a ball….just imagine the uproar from their parents if they asked to do that 150 years ago
Hello Mr. Lart. Thank you for your interesting comment. You may be interested to learn that differences in playing with dolls between males and females have even been observed among young chimpanzees: https://www.theguardian.com/science/2010/dec/20/chimps-play-male-female-genetic
There are so many genders now that I’d be unable to stereotype most of them. What is a stereotypical ‘gender fluid’ human like?
Worlds gone mad !!
Here’s an idea that I’m sure will help on so many levels: turn off your TV and drop all social media.
We shouldn’t, and we shouldn’t at all treat this as a political issue that needs political and legal solutions. It doesn’t.
You can’t stop it as its human nature, no matter what the barking mad left wing social justice warriors think.
So you wanna say that pay gap is a human nature?
Maria Efimova I don’t need to, the feminist pay gap myth as been debunked many times over, but then feminists have no use for ‘facts’ so they just ignore them.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OQq5gKYUoPc
Give us a break :)
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Is Debating Europe fighting for the right of men to have babies ?
Come ooooon!! Girls can be soldiers with out denying their gender’s nature and boys if they want to be princesses obviously no one will stop them
We can’t.
The problem starts at young age when kids learn/define their values of environment. Exposure of kids to certain colours and shapes in very early development(from infancy), will influence their choices latter on – say if an infant girl is dressed in pink, with a pink room and everything pink, latter on development she will choose based on pink as that is most familiar/comfortable with and so on..
Kids learn through playing, so it’s very important that they are exposed to a broad, not gender specific (if possible avoid any sort of bias, cultural, religious or otherwise), if you really respect them and their freedom to learn and choose and one doesn’t plan in brain wash them in their image.
In my opinion, it’s very important that toys and clothes (especially in early development) are gender neutral, as such as colour, design, and not to mention these shops isle, with specific boy/girls – these should vanish.
The science says girls will generally pick pink fairy dresses & play with dolls and boys will generally climb trees & play with guns no matter how you try and influence them, ‘forcing’ them to adopt the traits of the opposite sex is child cruelty. Its in the DNA and is NOT a social construct. ‘Gender neutral’ is a myth, you either have an ‘Y’ chromosome or you don’t so you are either male or female.
Well, sorry to inform you but if you get out of the house and walk around (not at the brothel) you will notice that most women don’t wear pink. Not to mention that not long ago there were no pink clothes and no barbies and girls and boys alike were playing in the same muck, same games with the same sticks and stones. And then, there were matriarchal societies in human evolution, and the best evidence is in the social evolution of the past century or so – were many women now perform, willingly!, tasks which before were an absolute no-go. And that started to happen once certain social stereotypes started to crumble.
And humans use their brain to think, not the reproductive organs as defined by the Y chromosome…
Larry Lart.
1. Which is why I said ‘generally’. The scientific facts about boys & girls are freely available so I can only suggest you go look em up.
2. The only countries that have enacted gender neutral polices have found a great divergence between the sexes and not the intended narrowing, proving when people have the choice they will still follow traditional sex orientated roles.
3. What ‘you’ think you are is irrelevant, what nature created you as is everything. To argue otherwise is to argue against the basic facts of biology.
4. You can ‘think’ you are a 50 year old 3 legged albatross but it doesn’t make it true.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FBlWx4Adalk
Brainwashing as in sending your kids to school where they are taught to conform? More time is wasted filling children’s mind with stuff they will never use than with the more beneficial (Math, Ethnic language, Physical education, Home economics) Imagine a class of children debating Donald Trump, which way do you think the teacher will steer the kids? This is modern public school propaganda and brain washing.
The colour pink is actually a very good example. Until about 100 years ago, pink e.g. in England used to be the colour for boys: “In 19th century England, pink ribbons or decorations were often worn by young boys; boys were simply considered small men, and while men in England wore red uniforms, boys wore pink. In fact the clothing for children in the 19th century was almost always white, since, before the invention of chemical dyes, clothing of any color would quickly fade when washed in boiling water. Queen Victoria was painted in 1850 with her seventh child and third son, Prince Arthur, who wore white and pink. […] The transition to pink as a sexually differentiating color for girls occurred gradually, through the selective process of the marketplace, in the 1930s and 40s. In the 1920s, some groups had been describing pink as a masculine color, an equivalent of the red that was considered to be for men, but lighter for boys. But stores nonetheless found that people were increasingly choosing to buy pink for girls, and blue for boys, until this became an accepted norm in the 1940s.” https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pink So the fact that most girls at a certain age prefer pink is entirely due to society and has nothing to do with biology.
Achtung! Even the Baby Chimps have fallen for gender stereotyping! https://www.theguardian.com/science/2010/dec/20/chimps-play-male-female-genetic
…and what exactly is a typical “gender neutral” toy?….a jigsaw?……..jeeze, kids must really look forward to Xmas in your house
@ Larry
If we follow this kind of dogma, why should any child be exposed to anything at all in any shape or form, as exposure to all matter may influence their choices in life.
The brainwashing of the population, as suggested here, is insanity. And it is brutally abusive to suggest male and female human beings are unable to define their preferences from infancy, without input from the society in general . It is the opposite. Parents, society, community, has learned from infants over millions of years of evolution, what they prefer to associate with as males and females, and as a result, make those preferences available to them. No one ever stopped an infant choosing what they prefer to amuse themselves with. This is why some girls play with train sets and others play with dolls. Some boys play with dolls and teddy bears and other don’t. In fact, most baby boys, along with baby girls, in the Western world are given stuffed teddy bears, rabbits and so on, all of which are dolls.
This drive on manipulating gender identification by the state, is a programme to remove self identification. To, in fact, confuse, thereby destabilise. And it is being carried out on every level. Be afraid, it is very sinister. And it is not new, this began some many decades ago. The momentum now reaching hysterical levels. I would call this move psychotic. Remember Frankenstein. He lost complete control of his experiment and it turned into a monster that wanted to destroy him.
But Larry Lart I have to say that gender stereotypes are not such a big issue in modern societies like the European ones
Something I remember from my military service was the female officers , I mean those girls and women are really “bad ass” if you know what I mean? Unlike men there are all volunteers all thow their percentage in the army is smaller of the one of the men
Their percentage in comado units is almost equal to their male counterparts
Also even if they are not be accepted to a special ops unit most of them they will still go through the special training any way many of them also have seen some action mostly in yugoslavia and Afghanistan yeap those girls have real guts
But still at the end of the day they going to polish their fingernails paid their her as blond as it can possibly be you know the” girly staff” to impress everybody but more importantly their loved ones
And the way I see it it’s just fine
The problem isn’t their stereotypical girly behavior but the way some men “see” it through their own stereotypes that they have in their minds. .
@Catherine
> No one ever stopped an infant choosing what they prefer to amuse themselves with.
Really? How is an infant supposed to play with what he might like/prefer ? Go to the toy store and buy it?
When most parents, even before their kids are born, based on the gender, paint their room and get them toys ready, again gender specific? How many parent do actually say offer an equal opportunity, say if it’s a girl – to use a “neutral” colour and don’t buy just dolls but also cars, building kits the full spectrum.
And, please stop driving this in the direction of perverting the nature of the gender. This has nothing to do with it. Kids learn by playing, the diversity of toys at their disposal in early years of development plays a crucial role in latter development of the brain.
Actually some women are finding attractive men that dare to wear pink clothes !! So you might have a point here, I mean I didn’t knew it and the first time that my best friend (which happens to be a woman) told me that my reaction was” common! Pink tie ? That’s a gay thing!!” It was so strange for me to see all these positive female reaction for a pink shirt and tie that I was almost afraid to wear
Ivan Burrows says “The science says girls will generally pick pink fairy dresses & play with dolls and boys will generally climb trees ”
Really Ivan? What science? The one comrade Putin is pushing through his far right agenda?
Real Science! says we evolved from apes and both, boys and girls, used to climb trees, and all of us in the beginning used to were dresses, and no one was playing with either dolls or trucks as all these are latter inventions and social constructs.
And also, science say that, for example female chimps are more like to hunt with tools … since someone here mentioned them
https://www.smithsonianmag.com/smart-news/female-chimps-more-likely-males-hunt-tools-180955004
Growth of reproductive organs are orchestrated by hormones. Hormone levels are mostly controlled by the brain.
You don’t have to lie sameness to demand equal rights. Its a strategy that’s backfiring.
Research shows no evidence of effect of clothing colors on gender identity. On the other hand there is strong correlation shown between certain hormone levels and interests.
Give men the right to grow boobies
Larry Lart
Infants are calcitrant and most parents want to satisfy them in order to save their peace. As do care givers.Therefore, they give them what keeps them happy, assuming they spend any time getting to know the child and its preferences. I cannot base replies on those who wish to torment children by denying their wishes. That would be as ridiculous as trying to pretend male and female do not naturally have different expectations that satisfy their soul.
Equal opportunity is all around us. If a room is painted pink or blue before a child is born, or even after, does not constitute direction in choice or preference. Parents quickly find a child does not blend into the imaginative idea they have of little girl or little boy. They kick back very quickly. As one with child experience would be well aware.
A paper never can name aeroplane, a flower never can name horse, never …
@ Larry Lart
This issue is not simply ‘toy’ equal opportunity, as you are suggesting. You are trying, unsuccessfully, to hide the facts. Now why would that be? Children have more ‘equal’ than ever possibility of selection today than any time before. In fact, what you are promoting is ‘ some are more equal than others’ agenda. And it is definitely State controlled and pushed. A nice money making opportunity for the pharmaceutical industry. This is a sinister agenda. Are you fully cognisant of what is going on?
Here is a point of view. And one that is trying to be hushed up ‘by the State.’
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ncl3ZFitt84
More adult information we are not being made openly aware of.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W6Xl8CLerh4
And here it is in action folks. Mental health issues being pushed as ‘good for you,’ onto very young children.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=etVBJg5zLE0
And, please, do not order me to stop anything. My thoughts and perceptions have as much validity as yours. Debate is always a process of differing points of view and the outcome of those points of view. This one being very dangerous indeed to the population of the planet.
I d suggest to give power to women and forbid man to work….Civilization carried on mostly with males force, lets do the opposite and take a loong holiday while women will have chance to prove them better then us
Non-issue.
Нека не говорим за това и ще отмине.
I would rather stop the growing global concentration of wealth.
Kill everyone: no more gender inequality.
This can also be effectively paired with lack of childbirth deaths AND solve the housing and homeless problems.
uh, NO
Stoping gender pffff plz penis male, vagina female. What is the problem? We can stop age stereotiope?
Guys, would you please stop talking about your lower organs here? This debate is about equal opportunity for brain/mental development not a d*ck competition.
Extremes are not good . It’s ok if we “prevent” stereotypes , but we can’t prevent it in an extreme way , like for example : asking kids in kindergarten if they want to wear skirt or trousers . What would that be ?
I don’t know, ask the scots? don’t bother them much. And most people not that long ago, relative to the timeline of human evolution, were wearing skirts – trousers is a relative new invention …
Stop skin stereotype … Trans racial people are people … (or just stop pushing cultural Marxism )
Still girls are born like girls and boys as boys!
Well I’m not a gender expert, but surely there are various layers of influence at play. First there are, at least last time I checked, some genuine physical differences. Then there are what we may call female vs male values, ie cooperative vs competitive – which maybe is already stereotypical although it’s intended as descriptive only and not necessarily representing either sex. In other words there are roles, meaning either sex can assume either set of values. Both physical and attitudinal characteristics are likely not absolute, but on a scale, meaning one can be more or less be or feel physically male and take on more or less male values, also at various point in time or context.. so to answer the question: what is needed is a recognition of this diversity, this complexity, everywhere.
Does the EU or all Europeans (politically) stereotype one another?
Such discussion is surely more appropriate concerning the EU’s concept, then deviating into gender stereotyping. Such stereotyping cum gossiping is a complex & endless pit!
Why the desire to interfere in or regulate the chemistry of gender relationships? Gender GMO- BASF?
Aren’t there are enough good parents, sensible folks who show respect and common sense. Existing laws & courts deal with excesses & abuses. Not wishing to stereotyp politicians- but they are not the best examples & judges! Who is?
Please EU politicians, stick to politics- not moral lecturing! We live in a secular system. Let the traditional “churches” have their say about morals & ethics- the political EU about their political nirvana.
And:……….please look in the (EU) mirror and stop stereotyping all who disagree or are critical of the EU concept! Is that how politicians try to fix the EU’s political dilemma?
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/worldviews/wp/2013/05/14/pew-poll-shows-europeans-losing-faith-in-the-e-u/?utm_term=.2043499a9e92
Why should we?
make compulsory military service for both genders!
why do so many males feel so threatened as soon as we discuss gender equality? it’s cooperation, not a competition !
By not judging people? By thinking beyond the obvious for a split second? This stereotyping is based in human ignorance.
We can t.
And don t even want to. It s in our brains, hard wired,…just think when you see a person for the first time you instantly need to know if it s a man or a woman
If we can t tell which is what, we re puzzled and confused
this is not an issue. i call this first world problems.
irrelevant debate.
better questions:
how do we stop the destructino of the family unit?
how do we stop the wars? (US, France, UK, Russia, Italy)
how do we stop the elites which hate Native Europeans?
(they also hated Native Americans back then too).
Encourage and support equality and freedom of choice instead of trying to define and control gender stereotyping.
People!! It is stereotypes happening in the society. People are discriminating also by gender.
You have to see this video:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FEeTLopLkEo
It is really inspiring. I want to be a detective when I grow up. That video inspired me. It made me feel confident.