Childhood vaccination will be mandatory in France from 2018 onward. The move follows similar efforts by the Italian government, which has banned children from attending state schools if they haven’t been vaccinated. Should more countries follow their example?
In many EU countries, vaccinations are promoted by the government but are still optional. Some parents, encouraged by misinformation being spread online, have been reluctant to have their children vaccinated. As a result, Europe has seen a resurgence of deaths from preventable diseases such as measles (with 35 dead from the disease in Europe in the last 12 months alone).
What do our readers think? We had a comment sent in from Cris, who thinks that doctors and the media needs to do more to educate people about the benefits of vaccination. Is he right?
To get a response, we spoke to Jennifer Reich, an Associate Professor of Sociology at the University of Colorado, Denver and author of the book Calling the Shots: Why Parents Reject Vaccines. Why does she think some parents refuse to vaccinate their children?
Having studied this question in the US, what I find is that parents feel like they’re best able to make healthcare decisions for their children and to understand what their children most need, how their children’s bodies might respond, and whether they think these vaccines are important enough to justify whatever risk they’re afraid they might present. In general, parents really want to be in charge of this decision and they trust their own judgement more than they trust expert opinions.
Next up, we had a comment from Nathan, who argues that “governments do not have the right to decide what individuals do with their bodies”. What would Jennifer Reich say to him?
Finally, we put a comment to her from Paweł, arguing that vaccination should be compulsory. Currently, vaccination is not mandatory in every EU country. Should it be?
My first choice is always that parents think about their role in the community and make the choices for themselves and their own children, but they also think of other families in the community. Many of the children who aren’t receiving vaccines are less likely to have access to them, and that may be because they have medical reasons why they can’t access them, or they live in places further away from health clinics. I know in parts of Europe there have been vaccine shortages and that effects who’s most likely to be vaccinated. And in those situations, the families who can best access care have a role to play in protecting those who are most vulnerable. So, my first choice would always be that we ask people to take care of each other voluntarily. Having said that, when we reach a certain point when a high enough number of parents are choosing not to vaccinate, then it jeopardises everyone in the community. At that point, I think it’s up to individual countries to decide what they can do to try to increase those rates.
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On the one hand you have to consider that when you vaccinate someone, you are vaccinating someone who is healthy. So, it’s different from giving a drug, because you administer a drug to someone who needs it because they’re already sick. When you vaccinate someone, you are vaccinating someone who is healthy, and so parents may be afraid about causing some damage to their healthy child. That’s one of the reasons.
Well, actually there are various studies giving reasons why parents don’t want to vaccinate their children, or just forget about vaccinating their children. For sure, parents who don’t want to vaccinate their children are anxious about side effects and are not convinced that these vaccinations are actually necessary for their children. So, they need clearer and more convincing factual arguments why they should vaccinate their children. Most important is to know that you don’t just do good to your own child, but also you protect other children who might be vulnerable and may not have the chance to get vaccinated. So, most of all is to give convincing arguments telling the whole story of the pros and cons of vaccination, and really taking the anxiety of parents seriously. That is the most important thing. Most of these people who don’t vaccinate have reasons and you can discuss it. There is a very minor group of parents in Germany, which we consider to be about 2-3% of the population, who are strongly against vaccination. But this group is very minor, and you cannot convince them to change their mind.
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‘Mandatory’ ?, maybe get an wifi implant fitted at the same time so the State can keep total track of people. this page really loves the idea of a police States lol
Yes, let children die so that parents will have the “freedom” to choose whether to vaccinate them o not…
As we can see under every post on this page. The reason why people refuse to vaccinate is because they believe that everything established by the state is a conspiracy. Get a grip man!
Stelios Koulouris Only a fool would not vaccinate their children so why not just take them away from their parents ? maybe give them away in a raffle to a gay couple.
Uli Czeranka Please see my answer above :)
I bet if the eu would oppose mandatory vaccination you would demand it
Uli Czeranka What ???! lol
Let also other children die that for health issues can´t be vaccinated, because the parents of children that can be vaccinated should have the “freedom” to choose and so be responsible for maintaining the chain of transmission.
Stelios Koulouris Try reading my post above :)
I read your comments. You would oppose everything with EU on it. Your nightmare would be a gay eu official running with a needle behind you
Ivan Burrows There is no question in your previous statement – just a rant.
Jan Honza Pozivil Says the Troll lol
Freedom also means that children too young to be vaccinated or with some kind of disease that prevents it can still benefit from herd immunity.
Yes, but only for the migrants right on the Shengen’s border. Are they being vaccinated?
Yes, they are
Stelios Koulouris thanks for your answer. I’ve been informed that they’re not in Lampedusa. Thanks, anyway.
No because ‘forced’ vaccination would be against EU law, international law, Human rights and considered racist by the barking mad left.
Here they are…it’s the first thing they do after they fish them out of the sea..they also vaccine immigrant children before the send them to school. .
In Africa there are many vaccination campaing. Guess what? They get vaccinated and don’t do all the mess that western folks does, because they live with epidemic disease and knows the benefit of living free from terrible sufferings
Only for the inmigrants?
Europeans do not get sick?
You that ignorant, racist and xenophobic?
Pathetic!
Παυλος Χαραλαμπους They are ‘asked’ if they want it, forcing them to have it would considered assault.
Typically yes, but an non vaccimed child won’t be able to go to school anti- epidemic laws here are very. ..let’s say” protective” and to tell you the truth in the pre EU era was almost draconian ( when I was a child vaccination for children was mandatory) and they had a quite good reason for doing so
Yes, for all childrren
The rights of children outweigh the rights of the parents. For their protection children must be vaccinated.
What about the ‘right’ to refuse to be assaulted, I’ve not yet met a child who volunteered for the needle, FGM or having their foreskin removed however ‘responsible’ parents volunteer their children for all three. Stick to the anti polio, measles, mumps & rubella, any other vaccination program should be implimented only if theres an imminent threat of an outbreak of a disease. Free thinking people don’t need compulsory anything and states should mind their own business, people elected the political class to ‘manage’ society, not totally control all aspects of life in that society.
Vaccinations of children should be mandatory. Anti vaccination campaigners are risking the lives of children and should be faced down.
Logically impossible. If vaccination worked how could an unvaccinated child effect the vaccinated one?
John Lane Vaccines work on herd immunity. Go back to school and this time, learn something.
If the majority of a population is immune to a disease it’s quite possible that the ones how aren’t will never be exposed to that disease as Andrea send ” herd immunity “
There are childrens with different pathology that makes their immunity system low, they can’t be vaccinated and got protected by the immunity of the others. A quite common disease like measle can be deadly for them and safe for the others.
Me for example am allergic to the ” flu ” vaccine am not protected against diseases like H1N1 ( also known as the Spanish flu )… few wears ago H1N1 didn’t get pandemic ( like in ww1 ) because most people was vaccimed ..actually for doctors and paramedics was mandatory and that helped the condiment of the disease. .
Herd immunity does not apply to vaccines, only to natural immunity, vaccine induced immunity is not as effective nor long lasting as natural immunity, so herd immunity can never be achieved through vaccination.
Herd immunity only applies to natural immunity, not vaccine induced immunity, it’s a misconception that herd immunity applies to vaccines. The theory was made after NATURAL herd immunity was observed. Vaccine induced immunity is not as effective nor as long lasting as natural immunity, and therefore can never create herd immunity.
The refuse because they are stupid hipsters. ..
How does a vaccinated person become vulnerable to an unvaccinated one if vaccination works?
You know it’s working because children stopped dyeing from nasty stuff like Poliomyelitis..
That’s it
John Lane If there are people who are not vaccinated by choise, the people who can’t be vaccinated for medical reasons will be at risk.
antivaxx is become a religion
Never been a double-blind fasila study on a vaccine you might want to dig a little deeper into your religion of vaccinations
I can say the same thing about provaxx vaccines are not safe theres over 400 studies that can prove that and herd immunity its bullshit vaccines have a 5 years protection that means majority of adults are unvaccinated all i said you van find it on the cdc website
First it’s vaccinations for all children,; then the same for all adults. Before you know it the government is telling you about all medical treatment and prevention you and your children must get.
the same kind of excuse is used from some people in central Africa for not using condom….
The people that use excuses for not using a condom use religion. let’s force them to use a condom that way they are not bringing children into the world to starve to death. Step too far at protecting children?
So for governments in Africa is ok to force their citizens to stop behaving stupidity but for governments in Europe is not ok?
Next thing you know there’s also rules about how to properly build bridges so they don’t fall and kill people.
“So for governments in Africa is ok to force their citizens to stop behaving stupidity but for governments in Europe is not ok?” Whoever said it was OK for African governments to do that?
Really Borges, you are comparing forced injections to bridges? Is that your default reason for everything you want to force people to do?
And then governments what should do ?live pandemics spread all over the globe and the live to the ” natural selection ” to choose how lives and how dies?
Nobody said they should allow it to spread all over the world. This is about parental choice. If a country really cares about being infected by outsiders, they can make it an obligation to have injections to enter the country. How about we force every refugee to be held in isolation until they have all the injections children have? You might be brainwashed into doing whatever the government tells you to do and have no interest in choice, that does not give you the right to take away our rights. All countries like France have done is show how their doctors will happily force medical treatment on people. I guess our doctors have higher ethical standards.
“Brainwashed” ? You like to how children are dyeing in India from diseases like Poliomyelitis simple because they aren’t vaccined? A disease that doesn’t exist in Europe and north America thanks to those ” evil ” injections. ..and to have a good question, from when “prenatal choice ” is overweighting the right of a child to be healthy? Or how says that a parent has the right to put his childs(and every body else) health at risk?
Παυλος Χαραλαμπους Children are dying in India because they can’t get access to health care, not because the parents have decided not to get them vaccinated. Comparing the deaths in India to the UK is armature at best. You would need to look at the whole system. For example if your child is vaccinated against Measles and is in a class with a child who is not, they have about a 1% chance of catching Measles from a child that has not been vaccinated. You would also have to compare the health care they get. Lets face it, India is in a much lower league that the UK. I never said the injections were evil, what I said (if you paid attention) was that parents should have a choice, something you clear think no parent should have. Tell you what, lets protect everyone. We will ban alcohol because that means nobody will drink and drive and kill a child and it will reduce the amount of domestic violence and drunken beating and murders. want to ban a few other things to protect children? How about banning junk food? A lot fewer children will have health conditions related to that. The point is, it is about choice and where do you draw the line? It is Measles today, but what about tomorrow? How far should the state be allowed to go and take control of your child’s health and give you no choice? You might be willing to hand your child’s health treatment over to the state, that does not mean every other parent should do the same thing.
of course! if not, community health is at risk of epidemics.
https://medium.com/@jbhandley/new-canadian-study-autism-aluminum-adjuvant-link-corroborated-330e947f5f62
MERCURY is hihgly TOXIC for the human body, you have to be an outrigh idiot to inject your children with toxic unknown chemicals.
It is not mercury, it conains a compound form of mercury.
For example; NaCl is kitchen salt, a substance our body needs.
You would die if you got too little of it in your diet.
But Na (natrium) and Cl (chlorine) on their own are very toxic.
They take on different properties when they form NaCl.
Same goes for the mercury, on its own it is toxic, as used in vacines it is not toxic.
Please educate yourself and stop spreading these stupid lies.
Never, if we want Europe a free land, where people live in freedom. If you are free to act only as you’re demanded by your master, you aren’t free. You’re a slave. People belong to themselves, we are no one’s property, not of the collectivity nor government. Children belong to their families, are not government properties, so government can’t decide what to do with them. No medical treatment should ever be mandatory, in no circumstances. It has to remain optional, but it should condition access to certain public services. We have to convince, not impose.
Lovely to have freedom. But if you are dead it isn’t so lovely.
I respect your opinion but this is not a discussion on medical treatment. A personal decision should never be mandatory, of course-in case you get ill, you do have the right to refuse medical treatment. Yet vaccination affects every other person you meet, so it is not a personal decision to be made. Vaccination does not only protect you as an individual but the whole society, otherwise an illness becomes epidemic. In this regard, it cannot be a personal decision. I totally agree about convincing instead of imposing but some people would rather believe rumors they read on the web than doctors, science and common sense.
You remind me some i was told the very first day in the army ( military service in my country is mandatory) ” you are not belong to your parents you belong to your self and the county ” ok i know it’s quite nationalistic but there is a logic behind this . The abdication to ” carry your weight ” as far as it’s humanly possible. .like it or not you belong to a society and seens you will ask for help from that society if something bad happens to you the least you have to do is not to make things even worse. I’m coming from a country that in 40s and the 50s almost 40% of the children didn’t survived long enough to become adults. ..they had to impose “draconian ” laws against epidemics that was active it ill the late 90 s you couldn’t even married if you wasn’t checked for some diseases. ..
Wrong. Children do not “belong to their families”. That is not the meaning of freedom.
Παυλος Χαραλαμπους that’s exactly the difference between a totalitarian regime and a free one. The first considers you a possession, a little wheel in society’s complex machinery and forces you obedience. The second respects your identity as an individual and rely on your moral conscience. I lived in the first type and I know, people tried to escape from it, not primarily for economic reasons, but for lack of human dignity and freedom. There’s always a better way then imposing something through authority, by force or by threat of force.
Michael Šimková really? Than we agree to disagree. :)
Of course I believe that people should be informed the best way possible and mast do things with the help of their ” moral compass ” and not because they are forced to do but realistically speaking if people have no information or even worse chaotic one and if there is no rules or law eventually you going to have authorisian like measures like the ones i describe in order to contain a pandemic. ..
You can’t have freedom in a place with dangerous illness.
Eduardo Campoy Victoria You have to. We can’t relinquish our principles when the going get’s tough. Without principles we are not people, we’re only a population.
“Those who would give up essential liberty to purchase a little temporary safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety.” – Benjamin Franklin
I would consider the choice to agree to a certain medical intervention as a very essential freedom, so I agree with Robert Bodgan. Actually, for all my respect for representatives of the medical profession, they often give out a vibe of authoritarianism. If their first response to facing some push back from parents is to run to the state for its help to coerce people into submission…that doesn’t speak well for them. Einstein used to say that you if you cannot explain something simply, then you don’t understand it. Doctors should be able to answer any questions the parents might have and the healthcare services must create legitimate educational campaigns to clear doubts. It’s a very bad idea to try to force people into accepting a certain scientific paradigm, you might actually get the opposite effect instead.
If you went to medical and not fb ignorance you would kno.
should people eat everyday?
Of course, for all children!
Defenetly yes!
Yes
Should education be mandatory, or is that also infringement?
It should be mandatory for several dangerous diseases, with exceptions existing solely for those cases where there is a legitimate medical reason for why a child might not be able to get vaccinated.
I think it’s a good idea . Parents objection for religious reasons or distrust in modern medicine should not stand in the way of eradication and/or containment of diseases
I think states should do the most they can to explain and encourage people to vaccinate. Education is the key. Making vaccinations mandatory would lead to a better short term result, but i think it would stirr a feeling of suspect in the public, which is unuseful and dangerous. moreover, let the state make the state. What i put in my veins and in my chindrens’ is not government’s business.
Wrong. What you “put in your childrens’ veins” is DEFINITELY the government’s business. Children have rights, they are not property, and their custodians do not have unlimited prerogative to do whatever they want with them.
Do you trust your government so much?
And by the way, children have no custodians. They have parents.
Unfortunately, it is your neighbour’s buisness and his children too.
I have neighbours too and don’t even dream to tell them what to do with their children. Don’t misunderstand me, i have 2 children and are both vaccinated. I have nothing against vaccination, technically. But on a more philosophical level, i think they’re using a right reason to make a bad idea sound more acceptable: the state can decide what is good or bad for you at a very personal level.
Yes, it should be absolutely mandatory.
Coz some parents are morons (full stop)
Yes, that about sums it up.
yes
definitely not. the health benefit of vaccines is very controversial.
True that!!!
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Actually, that is not true. The fact that you’re not informed about a certain topic doesn’t mean it is “controversial”. Benefits and risks of vaccinations are well known, and benefits greatly outnumber risks.
The science behind the health benefits of vaccines are anything but controversial.
No, it’s not controversial. They ‘re been proved for at least two hundred years.
No it’s not. Vaccines save lives, and are safe. Vaccination shouldn’t be mandatory, but for ideological reasons, not medical.
The health benefit of rubella and polio is very controversial.
On the one hand we have peer-reviewed scientific papers which say vaccines are safe and save lives, on the other hand we have a Korean scientist who admitted to falsifying data and Jenny McCarthy. So yeah, controversial
They should be mandatory. Italy has already got a wake-up call and hopefully more countries will follow.
We are free to do what we want as long as we do not pose a threat to the people around us.
We do not vaccinate our kids, our kids are not allowed to go to school with the other children. If we want them to, them we vaccinate them. It seems pretty straightforward and rational to me, protecting our kids and others’ from catching potentially deadly diseases. Otherwise, we better stay the hell out of society and go live on the top of a mountain, all by ourselves.
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As a last card yes, they should. But FIRST, the government should try a bolder strategy: to diffuse proper knowledge about vaccine all over the country, about what they are, when they arrived, how was the world before, so most the population will choose them by logic. As a good practice or as a lesser evil, at least it would be a willingly choice. Italy has wrong the communication about this issue, totally. Most of the free-vax are just normal people scared by the confusing amount of information in the internet. Don’t corner a scared man/woman, they will rise their wall even higher.
05/16/2018 Vytenis Andriukaitis, the European Commissioner for Health and Food Safety, has responded to this comment.
05/16/2018 Piernicola Pedicini, Italian MEP with the 5-Star Movement, has responded to this comment.
When there is a right choice and a wrong choice, it can happen that the state just skips the information stage when the desired outcome would not change. Why should the state invest in information campaigns about the risk of owning a car without insurance, when the best alternative is to force every car owner to have one altogether, regardless of the driver knowing why?
05/16/2018 Vytenis Andriukaitis, the European Commissioner for Health and Food Safety, has responded to this comment.
05/16/2018 Piernicola Pedicini, Italian MEP with the 5-Star Movement, has responded to this comment.
Because a proper country should make the citizens feel safe. All of them. This, in first place. Second: a not-satisfied part of the population, based on misleading informations whom is growing continuously, can bring problems in the future. Even if you think that they are just a mass of ignorant sheeps, you should’nt understimate them. Cameron did. Democrats americans did. (I moved a bit far with examples, but I hope the message is clear.) It is called “critical mass”. About how to judge the free-vax, is your choice, as I made mine. In my opinion, the diktat solution has just hidden the real problem under the carpet. https://annalisacorbo.net/2017/05/26/la-coercizione-il-burionismo-e-il-fallimento-conclamato-della-comunicazione-in-medicina/
Manuel Berto dove si informano i genitori ? Direttamente alla asl dove forniscono il bugiardino rilasciato dall’azienda che li prepara. Inizia con “gsk” e già i genitori sono preouccupati. Non è il sistema italiano sanitario sbagliato ,è sbagliato il sistema e nessuno ci ascolta
Yes, without any question. And it should come with good propagation debunking myths and antivax propaganda.
I dont understand why modern people want believe things that havent scientist fact, nothing is showing that children dont need vaccinated but the facts have shown that they muat be vaccinated. It is a must of Governent althougth parents dont like, because is a rigth like nutrition or education..those strange new age thinking only put children and population in unecesary risk.
Yes!
Ignorance. They follow misinformation from other ignorant people. It should be mandatory to vaccinate as they are putting everyone at risk. But how can you when we allow people in to Europe without any control and bringing in diseases already eradicated in Europe.
Should vaccination be mandatory for all children?
Watch these videos. And try to find the your personal answer. Or try to find the documentary made by Dr Andrew Wakefield regarding the vaccine he exposed. And see just how threatened you come in for as a result of simply wanting to see it. The manufacturers do not want to you to know the many sides of this money making horror story.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pf37G3mry6M
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G-4hLpuevAM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rfVOtvvvIV0
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ze_Hlkz8dDs
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K1m3TjokVU4
wait, you mean the same Andrew wakefield that published a fraud study to make money with a lawyer studio and was struck off? the same that proposed a vaccine alternative he owns to make more and more money? the same Wakefield of this wikipedia page? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Andrew_Wakefield
child is not an ownership of his parents and is a human been with his right to live and to be happy, and the government should be concerned of that.
Yes! Always! We can’t place in risk the community just because some egoistical persons think that they can’t avoid vaccination without due cause.
some parents are just stupid twats with the non-right to create life
vaccines should be mandatory.
i vaccini li somministra una struttura pubblica ma li prepara una società per azioni privata (neanche pubblica cioè è da rabbrividire) inglese che li vende a tutto il mondo. Se lei volesse …..quanta gente farebbe ammalare !? Una società PRIVATA CHE FA PROFITTO che prepara sia i vaccini che le medicine. Questa è una vergogna universale . La sanità non può e non deve essere in mano ai privati . Nessuno si fida a far vaccinare i bambini in questa situazione ed hanno ragione. Il vaccino è utile ed essenziale ma non ci si può speculare sopra, è un crimine
il vaccino noi lo facciamo , ci è stato obbligato ma chi ha inventato questo sistema di guadagno anche sulle malattie è un criminale e ci voleva la UE per rendere il crimine fattibile. MALEDETTI
You cannot force people to get vaccinated it’s not legal.
Apparently it is legal here in Italy, and it’s happening right now. Children are not allowed to go to Kindergarten or primary school (compulsory) unless they’ve been subjected to 10 different vaccines.
Nicholas Fanelli hai detto bene e l’obbligo arriva fino ai ragazzi di 16 anni cioè fino al terzo superiore
No, of course. Every person has the natural right to decide about his body. In absence of decizion, due to early age, the natural parents can decide…but and still here is debatable. No one else, on behalf of a children. Furthermore, no in behalf of an adult. No organization, no goverment, no politicians… even no medical science. NO ONE ELSE! The orwelian, distopic world has begun to arise, from some time ago. This horrific world you will find perfectly described by Aldous Huxley. Just read. Inform youself. Decived and based on controlated percepiton of masses. Alarming lies and fake safety.
Yes, of course.
Rather simple way to put it. But since the “decision of the natural parents” can affect other lives (i.e., those who cannot get vaccinated due to their special condition), a person is not granted the right to put others at risk for no good reason. It is the same reason why your car insurance is mandatory: are you free to decide how much you want to risk in case of accident? Yes, you can eventually switch your airbag off if you fancy. Are you free to decide how much another person will risk if involved in your same accident? No. And the collective right in this case prevails.
Corrado, open your own mind. You talk with the words of the main stream media. You are already programed. Has no point to give you alternative information when you already think you know and you are already convinced have right. Please inform youself using various streams. And most of all try to think with your own brain and heart. Put yourself simple questions about your rights. Well, in some day I will make a choise about life and death for you. Will be agreed with that? This mandatory “colective vaccination” is just a precedent for this. You give me that power with your lack of trust and information. Think yourself for this. Check every information from mainstream media and if you saw something odd, check again. Don’t play with something like that!
If you want simple, ask yourself: why does anyone want to do you good by force? This is mandatory vaccination! And if “good” is in collective interest it is just as killer as the virus itself. Because vaccines can not replace the immune system. The immune system strengthens and maintains a healthy life. Why the system that wants us “good” by force does not deal with: the requirement that the food produced by the food industry no longer contain preservatives and carcinogenic substances, the obligation that the big industrialists no longer poison the air and water of all, the obligation that its food to be scattered and, rather than thrown, to be given to those who need it. I’m sure you’ll find outrageous reasons when the system hurries to help the big banks and does not hurry to help those who struggle with the wretched salaries and the stress caused by it. All of this weakens the immune system, leaving it vulnerable to diseases or simple colds.
The original definition of herd immunity applied to the protective effect that occurred when a population contracted and recovered naturally from infections. Natural immunity lasts a lifetime whereas vaccine induced immunity does not.
For example, the statement that unvaccinated people are carriers of viruses that are just waiting to migrate to the vaccinated people. Here are a lot of questions: how is it that the unvaccinated people are carriers and do not get sick, and the vaccinated people are not carriers, then become carriers and get sick?
http://info.cmsri.org/the-driven-researcher-blog/dirty-vaccines-new-study-reveals-prevalence-of-contaminants
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YES YES YES
Eduardo Campoy Victoria no NO NO NOOOOOOOOO
la UE deve difendere il vaccino e fa bene a promulgarlo , ma i vaccini li deve preparare chi ha la responsabilità. La UE non è uno Stato dunque deve AFFIDARSI agli Stati che la preparano per la loro gente ( e qui la Germania deve capire che lo Stato deve potersi finanziare da solo senza ricorrere al mercato , lei blocca tutti i finanziamenti statali poichè ha interesse personali a non farli avere . Non pensa al bene comune pensa ai suoi interessi ) .Il vaccino non può venire da fuori e per di più da un privato che ha responsabilità limitata ! Se sopra il vaccino ci sta il brevetto non va bene . Chi ha in mano quel brevetto deve comprendere che non è Dio in terra che dedice sulla vita delle persone . Se quel privato non vuole condividere il brevetto , va bene ma devono essere gli Stati a finanziare le menti e se li prepara da sè il vaccino come pure le medicine . La vita delle persone non deve essere in mano a nessuno , la vita è un diritto ed è un diritto viverla bene senza avvoltoi che speculano
il privato che vende le medicine più tu stai male più loro guadagnano dunque il loro scopo non è quello di guarirti. Come siamo arrivati a questo punto non ci si crede. L’Inghilterra è birbacciona da talmente tanti anni, parliamo di secoli che il crimine gli viene naturale e lo impone e noi europei lo permettiamo, non ci difendiamo dalle ingiustizie e dai crimini. Non è possibile continuare in questo modo
no
absolutly YES
Yes, they do.
Yes totally!
Yes!
How far should/need “national states” go in that instance? Mentioning & weighing up the good of the collective and that of the individual- would be helpful.
This has however been pondered & answered on national level by some countries dating back from 1853 under their “Vaccination Act”
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vaccination_policy
Without pondering its details again- personally, if/should a parent be concerned that vaccination might be detrimental to their (own) child’s health- surely, a medical doctor can certify the opposite and issue an “exemption certificate”- simple & fair!
Further- looking at the global trend- according to a recent World Health Organizations’ (WHO) fact sheet- 194 countries worldwide endorsed (already) a new 2017 resolution on strengthening immunization to achieve the goals of the Global Vaccine Action Plan (GVAP). Not bad!
http://www.who.int/mediacentre/factsheets/fs378/en/
Yes. As to Your question because majority of them are broken in their heads.
In Hungary vaccination has been mandatory for decades.
le vaccinazioni sono obbligatorie anche da noi da oltre 40 anni ma non cosi tante vaccinazioni
The debate is not about being pro or anti vaccines. I do not personally think that debating whether or not people are smart enough to judge on their own if they need vaccines is going to solve the problem. The issue is scientific. Today, there is no transparency regarding vaccines. As some concerns are about the consequences of aluminium used as an adjuvant in vaccines, it seems surprising though that no scientific research are properly funded . Therefore, we note that worries increase and fake news about vaccines are shared on the internet.
Then, the solution should be to request transparency and to finance scientific research, not to dismiss the worries as crazy religious concerns.
I would highly recommend you to read more about that subject here : https://www.vaccinssansaluminium.org/english/
and if you speak french watch this video : https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nt9XZ61qCRU&t=1s
OK but provide full transparency to public & vaccine ALL imigrants.
Because they are stupid
Absolutely not. No government can take over the control of anyone’s body and force proven dangerous and mostly useless drugs on anyone. It would be unethical, a terrible injustice, a fundamental violation of basic human rights typical of bananas republics and a gift to the pharmaceutical industry. As most rights tend to disappear the right of owning our body and what goes inside of if is the last one we cannot allow any authority to take control of.
Dear Guillaume,
“No government………………..” ? Really? French maybe? “Very well” (un) informed about your own gov, the WHO, Human rights, medical facts & its history.
Yes, they (gov) can, should & their duty……….- to protect its nation, the global community, incl all banana republics & silly people- from “specific” epidemics.
All these “self sufficient” citizen (choosing to opt out without medical reasons), should be held personal liable (financially) for infecting others- if infected- and made to pay for their own treatment and the damage to others!
Please quote e.g. which basic human right forbids mandatory vaccination.
https://www.thelocal.fr/20170705/these-are-the-eleven-vaccines-that-will-be-compulsory-in-france-from-2018
Of course!
Should we all wear a seatbelt?
Yes! Absolutely yes!
Why? Because they suspect that the authorities are up to something. Whether it’s a secret national DNA database, or injecting us with detonate-on-demand nano-bots or a “sleeper-virus”. Whatever it is, one thing is certain: it’s more for their benefit than ours. Once they have your DNA… you’re fked! I do not trust the governments of any country, I chose not to have kids in order to never have to subject another person to them.
It should be vaccinate or be exiled away from any vaccinated society. It is indifferent if someone gets sick, if there is no-one around do become sick from them.
On less provocative terms, vaccination of children lies within the state’s obligation to protect minors from abuse, just as it would if they were sexually molested. After the age of 18, when the person becomes conscious and legally responsible for its actions, then they can repeat vaccinations or loose coverage. Should they contract and/or transmit preventable illnesses, then they should be financially and criminally liable for any resulting outcome.
At the same time, vaccination has to be provided at the cost of the state, as they provide a collective benefit.
If to many idiots stop vaccinating then yes. Like many other fixed things, from traffic rules to forced insurence. People are apperntly to stupid to run thier own lives.
Yes it is. But in somo countries is not obligation do it. UNESCO giv all necessary for the vacination.
More propaganda to push a dirty objective! People afraid and willing to sacrifice the future for it!
Should vaccination be mandatory for all children?
Reading this thread is an alarming event. How quick people are willing to take the lives of their children so simply. Many of you have a belief in politics and corporations that is akin to the faith of children.
Put it together, money is what they really love, not the human race or citizens of their countries.
And one more interesting comment. Politicians refuse to vaccinate their kids with MMR but lied to the people, because, they are bought by corporations.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iQ_2BVsfdgI
Then watch how its done.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vf3yXk4oJPs
Here is how they cover their horror.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2n9b2CWbTiI
If you have children you owe it to them to care deeply and research all you can ‘before’ allowing these monsters to use your children in their experiments and before making billions of your money for mentally crippling the young.
Best is by motivation and information, use the right information and use time as an instrument. Mandatory triggers Resistance. Use the nurses professionals for information who can spend time on health education, health literacy and compassing and understanding. Do it structural and position specialist nurses http://www.esno.org for programs, campaigns and continuing professional development.
No.
Mandatory ? what happen to the democratic right of freedom of choice ? What next, mandatory microchip-ing for all new born’s so Brussels can keep track of them ?
Welcome to the “Brave New World”!!!
I hope you get smallpox you fuck heads.
Here we go…………
Are we your slaves or do you serve us?
Please, don’t you know the answer?
NO, absolutely not.
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The benefits of vaccination across the board far outweigh the disadvantages.
It depends on multiple factors : which vaccines, for which children and how those vaccines are produced….
Hell yes, if yiu do not believe in science stay home, and don’t put people with common sense in danger
The No voters tell you how much scientific stupidity remains in society
they are considering mandatory vaccination in Romania too, after a measles epidemic killed dozens
Absolutely yes! No doubts
From the type of your questions lately it is obvious that people nowdays have forgotten the obvious and the self evident-
Yes.
Yes, it should
hell no! i liked the bubonic plague in the Middle Ages.Bring it back !!!
Yes, it should. Let’s base our society on sceince, not superstition.
Yes. God is that a serious question?
A related question to be considered as well: Should big pharma and doctors be better monitored?
Since I assume you want to make sure what you’re injecting into your very own child is of highest quality and safety
As long as families live in a society where their children are in everyday contact with other children and adults, they should vaccinate them for everyone’s protection, including the protection of their own children. There are other options like living on an isolated island or in a country where vaccinations are not necessary to go to nursery or upper grade school. But even then did they ask their child’s opinion before taking decisions concerning a life which belongs to their child and not to them?
YES in case EU gets full responsibility upon children’s life health path. NO since they remain alone against industry that considers their body “marketplace” .
Yes but depend on number of vaccines.. and where they are made…. I think i got close to 30 vaccines (counting multivalent vaccines as multiple ones) when i was a child before school and i trust my country local vaccination program to be adequate… But in US a 36 there before end of the second year… that need to be studied not directly applied …
NO. NO!
Should smoking crack be mandatory ?? Who the F*** in their right mind should be FORCED to inject these unknown toxins, which contain heavy metals, NO thanks.
What about all the adults who are not up to date with their shots and/or those who no longer have antibodies from previous vaccinations…
No, no, no
Stop Pólio in the World
We must convince Brussels that the states of the union have an obligation to assume urban sustainability the quality of life Good Luck with this
Only if that is a COMPLETELY independent oversight from start to finish. To ensure that there is no hidden agenda by the authorities. to injecting children. The same thing should go for DNA/retina scan data collection of adult and child. You should never trust the authorities with such personal information.
Yes…
Not unless you have a plan for the raft of diseases that were basically in the past, to make a comeback!
Vaccination is a medical act that cannot be imposed by force according to the treaty of Geneva. It is against Human Rights. No one has the right to decide what the European citizens will do with their children. Especially when it is the corrupted European Bureaucrats and the WHO who serve no one but themselves and the interests of the big pharma. Just remember what happened with the “pandemic” of the Swine flu…
Get a grip on the whole big pharma boogey man story when it comes to vaccines. They are a minute part of their revenue
DUDE, 40 years ago kids were injected 4to 6 times. Now arround 40 till the age of 5. In the same time autoimmune diseases, autism, leuchemia incidents have quadrippled. So have the medical expenses for their treatments. And you also cant say that kids were dying on the streets of measles in the 50s right? Hello! Money!
Is it against human rights to prevent people from getting ill and dying?
Nick Komselis what about the millions saved and the disease erradicated???
It is my right to decide if I wanna be saved by the big pharma, the WHO, the EU or any of those fuckers. And noone elses. And I dont trust any of those fuckers with my money or even more my health. Period.
Not for things like the flu but for serious diseases, yes.
Flu is a really serious disease
Just not for flu.
Without a doubt
do it on your asshole
George A. Moiras This is how your parents brought you up like an illiterate punk, with no arguments to use and can only swear because this is the only thing you can think of You are pathetic
Whoever laughs at health issues is a total idiot
Ofc.
do it on your asshole
Yes! End of discussion
are you member of illuminati or mason maybe ?? are you paid by drug factories ??/
George A. Moiras are you on drugs?
ΝΟΟΟΟΟΟΟΟΟΟΟΟΟΟΟΟΟ ! only the illuminati new world order masons want to be mandatory so that to control people !
Don’t forget the reptiles !
Exactly!!! The Reptilians want to control humans through vaccination!!!!
Also I know for a fact that Santa Claus is involved in the scheme. All you have to do is open your eyes people!!!
Obviously, yes.
Obviously YES
No obligatory
Yes, yes and yes.
NO!!!
No this should be voluntary and based on need of specific populations. If there is no presence of a direct threat then there is no need to give vaccines to everybody because of it. If diseases come back then it has be studied to identify which populations are at risk and how are those transmitted. Those at risk should be encouraged to take preventative measures. So this proposal to make it mandatory is just to create massive profit for corporations that sell this products.
Leicester city did a similar thing with smallpox.
Definitely yes
Yes. Sorry, was that a rhetorical question?
Never…that is Poison…
https://www.facebook.com/DavidAvocadoWolfe/videos/10154311097431512/?hc_ref=ART4X4_5hTEqCD7S53mDEq0WaXhvCt9SBw_1ytgAJbGBhSxaTb67jKIZAtBnELZuNJ0
It looks like that for some people David Pineapple Wolfe is convidered a better source of information than the WHO, every other health organization on the planet, and 99,9% of the scientific community in general. Congrats…
Y E S
Absolutely … should Crime became Mandatory in Europe?? What stupid talks you’re debating…
Absolutely … should Crime became Mandatory in Europe?? What stupid talks you’re debating…
Absolutely … should Crime became Mandatory in Europe?? What stupid talks you’re debating…
Yes, absolutely. We should not allow nut jobs to put others at risk!
Duh.
vaccini si ma solo se distribuiti dal proprio Stato .Lo Stato deve produrre e garantire la salute dei cittadini , la trasparenza che sia nell’interesse della società . Niente società private nella salute , non è accettabile
non è sbagliato il vaccino, è sbagliato il sistema mondiale
In Croatia vaccination for children is mandatory.
Fine is 500 kn or around 70 € for parents who disobey.
And you find that to be reasonable? Or even appropriate?
NEVER
Yes of course.
Since world is packed of twats, yes.
Like Rui here in the comments
https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=10111064586007880&set=a.10102131676624890.3452139.13953117&type=3&theater
http://vaccineimpact.com/2017/medical-doctor-speaks-out-against-over-vaccination-agenda-of-big-pharma-controlled-cdc-and-fda/
Debating Europe your next issue for a debate should be about whether taking heroine is right or wrong
I fail to see the relation
João Machado both are injected, therefore the same. Make heroin mandatory!
https://www.facebook.com/DavidAvocadoWolfe/videos/10154311097431512/?hc_ref=ART4X4_5hTEqCD7S53mDEq0WaXhvCt9SBw_1ytgAJbGBhSxaTb67jKIZAtBnELZuNJ0
Shut up whit this arguments. Don’t get vaccines its our choice. When shit happens don’t come complain on the state that should have access to healthcare and more “effective vaccines”. If you dont know what is group immunitiy plz stfu and go work.
Meningitis B vaccine is not recommended for babies. Please check your facts before you discourage parents to vaccinate their children and protect them from horrific diseases. I am very disturbed by your video, since there is no way to check what this baby actually received. It’s unlikely that it was a Meningitis B vaccine, since that is not a recommended vaccine for infants/ toddlers. Please stop scaring parents!!!
I Know childrens that never had a single vacine and guess what? Never ever went to a hospital or being sick ahahah ah the rest are sleep stories and pharmcom lobbies for me.. … you Don t Know nothing u think u Know but you dont…
Half knowledge is worst than no knowledge.
YES!!!
Yes!
Italy did something about that thia year.
Anyway, people who claim this is a stupid question fail to see that no-vax movements and ideas are spreading everywhere.
NOT at all!!! This is a terror as many other things which are mandatory
Some of them yes. If not they will be in danger theirselves and putting in danger other children. But more research are urgently needed to avoid said effects
YES, it should be
WHAT MATTERS are put inside vaccines?? this is the question!
Yes, or then we organise public services in such a way that voluntarily unvaccinated people are segregated from the vaccinated and involuntarily unvaccinated, at risk, people.
The people who are at risk shouldn’t suffer for the choices of idiots.
No!!!!……needs a deep analysis and knowledge of each baby from family doctor…before doing anything on a little body with little defence
No medical vhoices should be made manditory. Period. And my extremely healthy, completely unvaxxed children with no good allergies etc show that its not nessessary.
Definitely not! A state of health of each person should be performed before each vaccination to ensure the person’s state allow vaccination (including possible allergies to vaccine ingredients). And each person should be informed about benefits and side effects to take an informed decision. Like it should be for any drug. Only the individual should decide what they put in their own body, after a discussion with their doctor.
Leave EU is the must
Better vaccinate all black heads from Eurasia and Africa.
Stefaan Mertens dees me aesculpia
According to Nuremberg code and international human rights agreement question is irrelevant. Government or any other entity has not right to any medical intervention including vaccination. If you learn something about vaccine history you realize vaccines are dangerous and ineffective. Vaccine science = pseudo science.
Stupid leaders asking this question were ALL VACCINATED in the first years of their lives. It was compulsory. And they LIVE now and ask stupid questions only BECAUSE they were vaccinated
mandatory = bad = opposite effect
No. Period.
Vaccines are serious medical procedure that is not safe and nobody should be forced to be vaccinated. The research on safety of vaccines and long term consequences is simply not there. The medical system have made many mistakes previously and it’s stands have caused a lot of damage before they were forced to change it. Plus it’s incredibly corrupt and profit driven. So no they should not be mandatory,
Yes, i agree. Say NO to Vaccine!!!! My child has always been vaccinated complete but is not healthy, his eyesight became not clear, he
has many different allerergies, muscle and leg pains, often his nose bleeds. it is so sad and i felt so regretful to trust corrupt doctors and politics who do not really care and love our innocent children because of greed of money and without fear of G
of course not
Do you agree then that everyone in your family should follow very strict diet and healthy lifestyle, so as not to jeopardize the immune system of family members and succumb to contagious diseases that then can spread to members of my family? And what if these recommendations change throughout the years and you have to abide by them each time, or your children would not be allowed to socialize with other children for being reckless junk food eaters? :)
What do you think helps more to ward of diseases – injecting people with vaccines or a more systemic approach to warding off diseases, including clean environment, better sanitation and healthy lifestyle choices.
Btw, my point here is not to argue against vaccines in general, but against the flawed authoritarian thinking that accepts a certain premise, but is not willing to accept it to its extreme. Also, I have read some studies (peer-reviewed, in respected journals), that show that immunization programs on their own do not help that much with reducing child mortality. Here is one: http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0277953608001275
Vaccination itself – no, but it should be a mandatory pre-requisite for allowing a child into any public nursery, kindergarden and school. There are children who can’t receive vaccines for medical reasons (alergies for example) and they are really vulnerable to disease. They should be allowed in as an exception. However, if you can, but prefer not to vaccinate your child – fine, but you shouldn’t be allowed to put at risk other children with your decision.
Yes exet IF you can’t due to medcal resons
Mandatory would be to have all the girls about 3 years old to be teachen martial arts to defeat all oponents….
of course, should be mandatory…
No. Not until theyve removed mercury and alluminium from them at the very least – is that really what mothers want to have injected into their babies by law? Enriching pharma giants much?!
Absolutely
Absolutely no!
Not really. Why can’t we take our own informed decision towards our or ours body? Ethically, that opens the doors to further medical interventions without premission. Why, instead of pushing the vaccines towards legal imperative we don’t see more investment on informing people and answering their questions? Don’t take me wrong: I am vaccinating my kid. But I refuse to accept that in the future my body won’t be mine
“Your body won’t be yours”
What?
Because I don’t want to have my child (who has been vaccinated for everything except one for which she has a medical exemption) infected because I need to explain people too stupid to reproduce why they need to protect their own kids and mine?
Morons with zero scientific training don’t have a veto over epidemics.
Informed decisions brought to us diseases that were done… People are dying from measles, measles!
Polio will be back…
I am scientifically trained and as i said I have decided to vaccinate my kid. I don’t think a medical action shpuld ever be forced on us. And info aboit vaccines should never be exclusive to educates people. I think the problem is mostly that people that normally don’t have acccess to this kind of infogo search for it and will believe first thing they read.! So why aren’t statale health systems informing but instead pushing the obbligation. If you don’t see te ethically qrong in this…. Don’t call others stupid!
Yes. Unvaccinated children infect others. Individual decisions by woefully ill informed parents can have a negative impact on public health. These decisions are for the medical profession to make.
Thst s strange….
Not
Because the EU has such a great record of decision making ? Read ‘mandatory’ think dictatorship.
Nice false equivalence. Look up “education”.
Mauricio Giordanelli Nicely ignoring the fact, Look up ‘reality’. .
http://www.dw.com/en/european-commission-triggers-article-7-against-poland/a-41873962
No, but there should be incentives to do so and if choose not to, then you should also get detterrents. Also, there should be information campaings, because apparently some people forgot what they were taught in school.
Too much of the thing will be a mess. Don t imitate the US scheduele…a compmete disgrace.
Yes offcourse for all EU personel and their families! Also add mandatory glyphosate, fluoride, chemtrails and sharia please! And if that doesn’t kill you try marxism!
Yes, the advantages far outweigh the disadvantages.
Hell noooo
Yes, except for cases where it’s medically not recommended. The lives of the children should take precedence over the superstitions of their parents.
Ναι….Yes!!!
Not really…I would just vaccinate for polio..mumps..yellow fever..and all based on age appropriate of the child. Cold vaccines etc…I do not like…I gor vaccinated and ended up hospitalised because of it…I prefer to encourage and strengthen my immune system and antibodies instead of weakening them by chemicals..will use vaccines as last option! My choice!
No! We should allow for some natural selection.
If they pay for their health consequences and medications, I m with you
IGEN KÖTELEZÖ ….DANIELLA KEDDEN KAPTA MEG AZ AGYHÁRTYA GYULADÁS ELLENI VAKCCINÁT
Yes. Absolutely
absolutly
It should be mandatory for all the unelected EU dictators
I believe that vaccinations should be compulsory for the people that truly want them. If people don’t want them then they can just die of the illness that they have received. vaccinations are only there to help people and not injure them in anyway. But then again it is down to each person what they believe just like religion. Religions may say that vaccinations are bad but if God really was omnibenevolant then surely he would want his followers to be healthy
Yes, and I do have reasons. In the time that vaccinations came out, there have been a lower in people getting sick. Example, Plague, black plague, or black death as it is called since the vaccination was created there hasn’t been an outbreak for years. Influenza. I do not care what people say about religion, God this and God that. If God didn’t want you to be healthy, then he would not have sent people to this earth to discover these vaccines. If you want to argue about this go ahead, but you can’t change science. Once you have been to medical school and can show me a real photo of your degree in person (because photoshop is a thing), then I will listen to you. However, I understand a lot more about ADHD than you ever will. ADHD is a chemical imbalance in the brain, and if you did research on that, then you would know that. Throwing religion into a medical thing is idiotic, what you are doing is not only putting your child at risk, but everyone else’s as well. If your child is not allergic to it, then get them vaccinated. If you do not want to vaccinate your child, then do not have children because this can turn into two ways, your child could die of Plague, E. Coli, Cholera (which is contaminated water and mainly kills you), Tuberculosis, where you mainly can sufficate to death. You go online and see something that scares you, and automatically think, this will kill you. You’re wrong. Gosh, it’s impressive nowadays people are so ignorant and would put their children at risk to die then vaccinate them to make sure they don’t die. I am vaccinated, and you know what, I have never been sick. My friend’s parents didn’t get her vaccinated, and a year ago she was in the ICU with guess what? Diphtheria and right know you don’t know what that is. It’s a disease that is limited to the upper respiratory tract, the toxin diphtheria blocks protein synthesis, and because of this it creates what we call a pseudomembrane which is mainly something that blocks your respiratory tract, and you can suffocate from it, meaning you die. She had been in the hospital for almost two months. She got better, and after that, she got all her vaccinations, and you know what, she hasn’t been sick since. She told me that her parents were stupid and because of their religious beliefs, she now doesn’t trust them or the religion because both almost got her killed. If you don’t want to vaccinate your child, do not take them into public, do not enroll them into school, put them on online school, do not endanger other peoples children because you are stupid enough to believe a non credited source then a doctor who has experience. You want to know more about it enroll in college take some classes.