Hungary is one of the few countries that serve both as a transit and destination country in the refugee crisis. Between May and September 2015, the number of Syrian refugees at its borders increased from 500 to 8,000 a day. However, few of them are allowed to stay.
Hungary’s asylum system is one of the strictest in the EU. In 2014, less than one in ten of all asylum applications was accepted, compared to an EU-average of 45%. The majority of applications for asylum in Hungary came from people fleeing war zones like Syria, Afghanistan and Iraq.
Despite repeated requests by the European Parliament and NGO’s like Amnesty International and Human Rights Watch to respect human rights and allow more refugees to enter the country, the situation in Hungary seems to deteriorate. In October 2015, Hungary closed its borders for all refugee streams. And in March 2017, the Hungarian government passed a law allowing asylum seekers to be detained.
How should Hungary continue to deal with the refugee flow? What role should the EU play in changing countries’ attitudes? And more importantly, how will Hungary deal with even bigger numbers of refugees in the future due to a deteriorating climate and demographic state of many of the sending countries?
On 26 April 2017, Debating Europe and the Hungarian Millennium Institute organised a debate evening in Budapest entitled “Is there justice over there too? Wall, war, escape and migration in the 21st century” as part of our ‘Cities & Refugees‘ project. Citizens and experts joined together to talk about the humanitarian implications of Hungary’s current approach towards refugees, and whether Hungary’s overall approach towards migration is sustainable.
Speakers of the debate were Júlia Iván, Director of Amnesty International in Hungary and Balázs Orbán, Director of the Migration Research Institute. The debate was moderated by Director of the Millenium Institute András Pulai.
You can watch the recorded footage here:
What do you think? Should Hungary accept more refugees? Is the EU putting enough pressure on Hungary to change its behavior, or is this a national issue? Do you think Hungary’s approach towards migration is sustainable? Let us know your thoughts and comments in the form below and we’ll take them to policymakers and experts for their reactions!
The Debating Europe “Cities & Refugees” project is co-funded by the European Union’s “Europe for Citizens” program.
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Here’s a crazy idea… What if EU would man the F up and adopt Hungary aproach towards refugees? Eh? Crazy right?
Of course yes
Yes
Nah
No :)
It is hight time for the EU to stop meddling in what is none of it’s business. The refugee quotas plan is ridiculous.
(…) Your country is neither rich to be appealable for refugees and neither geographically accessible to be part of the migrant route.
And once for all, stop mixing war refugees with migrants.
would you state the same if the northern european states would close their borders and all refugees would stay in the southern states?
Yes, I would. And actually they should. To start with if Northern Europe was to close the border a lot less refugees would try their luck. Finally if Italy, Greece, Malta, etc are incompetent patroling their borders then it is their problem to solve, not mine or my country’s.
You’re full of shit because your country is neither rich to be appealable for refugees and neither geographically accessible to be part of the migrant route.
And once for all, stop mixing war refugees with migrants.
Uli Czeranka Northern States ‘have closed’ their borders to the South, Austrian troops are not at the Italian border.
José Bessa da Silva EU border should have been protected by an EU force since the liberty to move in Shengen in unchecked ( or is it?) . 2 . Most of the “refugees” don’t want to come in the eastern Europe countries either…
Diaconu, I regret to tell you but the Schengen and the EU are not the same thing. Switzerland is part of the Schengen agreement yet Ireland is not. The Schengen allows free movement between signing members but it leaves it’s external borders responsabilities to the members that hold it in their territory. PS: I’m not eastern european and if refugees do not want to go to easter europe you only prove once more how stupid the quotas are.
No! Each country has own policy.
Here’s a crazy idea… What if EU would man the F up and adopt Hungary aproach towards refugees? Eh? Crazy right?
Here’s a crazy idea… What if EU would man the F up and adopt Hungary aproach towards refugees? Eh? Crazy right?
Here’s a crazy idea… What if EU would man the F up and adopt Hungary aproach towards refugees? Eh? Crazy right?
Here’s a crazy idea… What if EU would man the F up and adopt Hungary aproach towards refugees? Eh? Crazy right?
Here’s a crazy idea… What if EU would man the F up and adopt Hungary aproach towards refugees? Eh? Crazy right?
Here’s a crazy idea… What if EU would man the F up and adopt Hungary aproach towards refugees? Eh? Crazy right?
No
Hungary applies international laws and the laws of Schengen as they should be. The majority of the people are not real refugees and such people should not be allowed into Schengen without visa.
People who want to work in the EU should get a work visa, as many other thousands do every year. We should call only real refugees as refugees.
V4 > EU bureaucrats
The same EU that transfers money to your budgets so you can have nice roads etc?
No. They have this approach because it all started in Hungary. I was there two years ago in the train station of Budapest. It was crazy
It was propaganda
What was propaganda? The reality that I saw there?
No! Why change something that is working. By refusing to take migrants, they are exerting pressure on other nations in Western Europe to stem the flow of their migrates. Because, at some point, they reach an upper limit, and can’t dump migrants in Eastern Europe, so they can’t take more them-self.
This is why after Austria’s refusal to take Italian migrants, Italy became more serious on dealing with the NGO’s … etc.
Destroy Europe today!!! All together or nobody to accept Them, if you dont help greece italy spain i hope this countries give pasport to all of Them , Then what you Can do in hungary?
Europe should not be tyranny. Europe should not force politics on its members. It should be disolved because it is starting to look like tyranny
ITS time to send them all to their homes ciies off course
Refugees/migrants don’t want to stay in Hungary. EU is violating their human rights.
You must be kidding. Hungary is an independent country and has never given the right to EU to decide on its internal policy. Merkel’s EU, keep your hands off Hungary.
Subtitles Hungary is a member of the EU when it joined the EU it did not only agree to accept billions of Euro to restructure the country but also to abide by all its moral and legal obligations, it agreed to abide by the Refugee convention, and any decisions the EU voted on.
Sharing the burden and treating refugees with the dignity they deserve as well as accepting asylum application to honestly vet them is part of the obligation Hungary signed up for.
If itban is not happy with that, then return the money and leave the EU.
Antonio Anastasi, the EU’s moral and legal obligations are not to violate its own laws. Illegal immigration is not allowed by EU laws for border protection. Free movement is only for EU citizens and those who have an EU or Schengen visa. Your interpretation of law and order is wrong and brings only chaos and lawlessness! If Hungary returns the money and leaves the EU, will this solve the problem with illegal mass migration into Europe? No, because it is not Hungary’s approach that is the problem, but the EU’s hypocritical approach!
Its time for EU to open eyes and use the common sense – Go Hungary – Go Poland – Go Vishegrad – the right way is the good way
Go read strange death of europe by douglas murray before posting such a stupid question, wouldnt You? Of course hungary and eastern europe handle the refugee crisis better than Italy or Greece do. Wonder when Italys nerves will break and it will allow 200k refugees in camps inward into eu. And if You are looking to solutions to this crisis, there should be hotspots in north africa up to turkey where one could apply for asylum and in a meantime boats coming to Greece and Italy should get turned back to where they came from.
Check out the partners of the Debating Europe platform and then you’ll understand why they ask such questions. ;)
On their webpage or on the fb page of theirs? Never mind that. They ask stupid questions that trigger me. Italy and Greece should learn from Visegrad as of how to stop the flow of illegals seeking refugee not offering much in return out of fundamental values that are incompatible with ours.
Website.
They ask these questions very deliberately.
Ah yeah. That explains much. LEaders who fail to properly lead themselves on their own. If it wasnt for laughs that I stay here, it would be high time to unlike.
It is time for EU to do the right thing. Get rid of the refugees.
exactly
Hungary is the equivalent of the little boy shouting out the Emperor has no clothes. The EUs migration policy is dangerous at best or a attempt to subdue indigenous nations at worst.
High time!
No.
NO , please.
That is Not of your business
No!
If Germany wants cheap labour in future, why other countries should suffer? Let all the countries who robbed them in the past, handle them now. Eastern Europe should not take the the burden!
Skilled labor goes to Germany from outside the EU with work visa.
So? Skilled it doesn’t mean cheap! Plus they are trying to refresh the demographic situation with these people. Eastern Europe does not need them. Soon Germans will emigrate to eastern Europe
It is time for all EU countries to respect souvereignty, inclusive territorial souvereignty, of the member states. The EU is NOT a federal state!!!
EU is violating their own laws by letting any of them in. Just really after all the misery and deaths that this mass immigration has brought you just want to keep doing same thing. That just shows that you don’t really care what anybody has to say unless they repeat after you. This blind stupidity is the reason that nobody trusts you with anything anymore. This is the reason that UK left cause you just keep pushing and when its time to address problems. You just keep pretending that your mess can’t be fixed. So this immigration has nothing to do with interest of native populations and instead of that is interest of EU to expand their control over nation states that created you. EU is deliberately undermining nations that sustain this project. So if EU disbands it will be on you and your absolutely reckless policies.
No!
This is something which Hungarian citizens should decide on.
No! I think that the rest of Europe should, and change to the Hungarian way.
Illegal immigration is a problem. Hungary’s pioneering policy of building a fence worked and led to a massive reduction in the flow of illegal migrants: http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2016-03-28/trump-wrong-about-border-wall-one-stunning-chart-has-answer Western Europeans have been very slow on the uptake on all this. Concerning real refugees, I don’t see why they should settle in Hungary. Why not pay to keep them in Turkey or a “huge city” in Libya, as Prime Minister Orbán has proposed?
Yes
It won’t happen . They are not welcome in Hungary… Because Germany have open door for them but there must be respect for the countries where they are not welcome…
No time to send them back and help them rebuild their lives, further, send the nations that bombed them to Hague to be tried for crimes against humanity.
Yeeesss! Congratulations!
OMG they don’t approve Angela Merkel politic? Why?
Why would anyone follow the idiotic road taken by Brussels ?
It’s time EU to change approach towards refugees!
Took the words right out of my mouth.
:)) hahaha no way boys! Hungary is great!
he says bravely from ottowa. no poverty, no racial discrimination, no lacking communists sucking up public and EU funds. nope, everything in hungary is hunkydory.
Imanuel d’Anjou as a matter of fact, yes… Hungary is a great and fun country. Oh, yeah – SAFE as well. WHere do you live to speak in such an a..hole tone about a beautiful and rapidly developing country?
It is time for Europe to help those Refugees go back to their countries and start building up their life’s and everything… They have been there for thousands of years and they survived.
something must have changed their situation. maybe jihadist warfare and russian gas. weird how people tend to run away from those things
It is not weird at all, it’s all set up
Imanuel d’Anjou Russian gas in the middle east? Check your facts before you post. The region is a gas producer, not importer.
No, the rest of the EU should aply Hungarian and Polish principles, because they are working
Every EU-member can decide what it want to do in this question. Hungary, or the Wishegradians had made the decision; they don’t want to leave migrants inside their borders! These countries have suverene right to do so!
Sure, because EU for these countries is only about receiving funds. No obligation, only cashing money. Shameless…
You are ignorant in that case! Becoming an EU-member meant to liberate the markets. Liberalisation of markets meant to rob the markets, buying corporations for a few Dollars then making them bankrupt. So the markets of East-European EU-member states were ready for total conquest. Result: unemployment and poor people.
Nikos Chardalias you mean these countries must behave like colonies of the rich western-eu countris? Wake up, man!
Absolutely not!!! And it’s time for Romania to do the same…
Of course not. 75% of Europeans are against illegals.
Otherwise the issue is manipulated and intoxicated as politicians are calling refugees to those who are economic migrants.
This issue should be treated by referendum and not be left in hands of the elite in Brussels. Get back democracy to people.
No, why should they. Why are you putting this “issue” back on the table? The refugees are needed back in Syria to build it up and the others are economic migrants whom we do not need since we have 10% unemployment in the EU. Therefore should Germany need more workforce, they can look in France, Italy, Greece, Portugal and all other EU countries to meet their needs and vice versa.
Νο… EU should change its approach to illegal immigrants
http://eblanademocraticmove.blogspot.ie/2017/08/is-immigration-solution-to-europes.html?m=1. Perhaps not just Hungary, but all of Europe should get its act together and act soon on it. With creative solutions not bickering and blind nationalism.
It is time to oust Hungary of the EU.
what an idiot, suicidal answer
EU should change it’s approach towards migrants and it’s handling of refugees! EU funds ? Nice way of getting high profits from East Europe! Give them money they can spend in w. Eu.
Certainly NOT! Only Hungarian people and their politicians know what they want and what they can do. EU-elite doesn’t know anything except trying to force their ideas on member states. This will in the long term politically tear apart EU.
No. There are already more than enough countries setting the example if they think Hungary is wrong.
Refugees or economic migrants? Living on welfare? Accordingly to an Algerian-Swedish journalist, 80% of the Muslim communities live on welfare. Is it this what we want? People that not contribute to the social security and live on our backs?
Why is NO ONE talking about the many jihadists hiding amoungst these masses ?? Merkel hersel has admitted in public there could be THOUSANDS of them, maybe thats why Hungary and Poland and a growing number of European states say enough is enough, most of these “refugees” are not even Syrian .. This entire crisis sadly, is being used as a trojan horse, while the EU sits back in silence doing nothing.
Is it time for Hungary to change its approach towards refugees?
Are you suggesting Hungarians should suddenly become as unbelievably mad as the Germans, Swedish or British are? Must Hungarians despise their cultural heritage and reject the will of their people to be ‘good’ Europeans?
The only approach to be changed is that of Brussel’s.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mw4vMZDItQo
And here is a truth nobody is testing in our so called wonderful and ‘fair’ ECJ courts.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4Sm4GhnAjWM
No. I would argue that the Hungarian approach is the sustainable approach.
Europe needs farsighted policies for refugees and migrants. Every year, European population remains fairly stagnant, while third world countries population grow massively. At the same time, European states should try to give their own citizens healthcare, housing, welfare. We can not afford to give that to everyone who wants to come here.
Let me give an example. Nigeria and Bangladesh are major sources of migrants coming to Italy. These two are poor countries, with standards of living far below that of European countries. UN predictions show that from 2017 to 2040 their population will grow from 356 million to 524 million. This is how fast the third world population is growing. Meanwhile, the population of EU will grow from around 510 million to perhaps 520 million.
Even if a massive war erupted in Nigeria, we can not in any realistic way give shelter to everyone who wants it. And Nigeria and Bangladesh are not the only places where economic migrants and refugees come and could come from. There are potentially billions of people, who would want to live here in Europe, if given the chance.
Anyone can see that this equation does not work out.
If we want to help them, we can only try to help people them in their own countries. Allowing millions upon millions of people to come will bring huge economic, demographic, social and cultural problems.
We are wealthy, but not that wealthy. We are too small to be the welfare- and refugee center of the world. And the potential amount of people wanting to get here is increasing every year.
Hungarians, how to make an omelette, step one, steal an egg! Gypsy laden country! Who cares!
No European Union should change position to be like Hungary ‘s. When are we going to realise that we are being invaded.
Go ahead and make them. In fact, we should be following their example
Ask this question to the Hungarian people! I am sure you already know the answer. They vote to Viktor Orban yet. So, you have your answer. Right now, I want to ask a question, me too : There are many death people everywhere in France because the Muslims and their religion. In another hand, there are no death people in Hungary because Muslims. So, who is right! The french people who accepted Muslims on their territory for years and years or Hungarians who refuse them?
WE DON’T!!! I hate when stupid, ignorant, clueless people shoot off their silly mouth about us!!! If you kept silent, you may have seemed wiser!!!! Orban has cheated in the previous elections and the upcoming next one will be worse!!! And while he publicly stomps around refusing to accept not even 1200 refugees, who wouldn’t stay in the hell on Earth, orban has made Hungary, he has sold up to date 18 000 european settlement bonds for 300 000 euros per head to the same migrants, who could pay for them!!!!! For his own pocket!!!! All his apparent and alleged anti migrant politics are just a ruse, because he wants out of the EU, since he has stolen all the billions of euros, that was given to the improvement of our country, and now he’s afraid of being held accountable for all this embezzlement!!! He has also stolen all of our taxes too, thus pushing back our country into the 19th century!!!! Stupid goose!!!!! You ask next time the hungarians, like me, before stating all this BS!!!!! Orban’s thievery has caused much more deaths, than all your migrants!!!!!!!
Àgnes Losonczi. Were you obliged to insult me? Do you feel more intelligent than me doing that? By your reply, I can see If Hungary has nothing to learn about the corruption of its own leader, it has to learn everything about the rules of the democracy. You, who want you country to stay in EU, you should know it more than anyone. It is one of the most important rules in Europe. When someone has not the same point of view than you, you have the right to discuss, to present your arguments, to be an opponent, but not to insult or to aggresse. Already, Viktor Orban does not respect it. Do you want to do the same? As for the fact that he wants to leave EU, you are right : It is a ruse. But do you really believe that he would like to do that? You just come to tell it yourself : Most of the money that he has stolen came from EU. He likes money. Do you believe he would renounce to a such source? Of couse, not! As for the migrants, when your jails will be full of muslims, when the most of your criminal will be muslims, when every attempts committed on your territory will be made by Muslims, when all your army and your police will be busy only to protect you against them, when you will know people around you who wants you to die only because you are Hungarian and Christian, when you will be insult every day in the street by these women who are wearing the Islamic veil so that to tell you, a woman, that they are better than you because they are Muslim, when every week you will learn in the newspapers that one more man tried to kill you in the name of his God, you will understand why most of the french people do not want this people anymore on its territory. Right now, the “stupid goose” is waiting you apologise. In another way, she would consider that you just have the leader that you merit. Best regards.
not all hungarian like to see Victor Orban as a prime minister.
even many of orban – voters like to change the way how refugees handled.
about dead peoples: Victor Orban want to desteabilize the European Union. one thing, in his arseanal is thedeclining the EU’s politic at all possible point. his way, to handle refugees: all real refugees held back int their main road. some of “refugees” (they are trained terrorists) smuggled into the EU on the “Transylvanian road”. when tehy arrived, quickly made some terrorism – produced many of corpses.
just see thru it, trerrorists making terrorism everywhere in EU except Hungary, why? because Hungary is allied to terrorists. so simple.
Their policy is preventing them from being overrun like France and the UK, etc.
Not at all EU should change its approach towards refugees, not Hungary.
Din’t someone in all these pro EU NGO groups mentioned … that Migrant Crisis (fueled by refugees welcome from some of the states) caused all these tensions between member states that EU never seen before … and even Brexit vote could be other if that do not happened… Let that sink in …
It is time to sent immigrants to their homes !
Even thought at least, Italy has up to 24.000 refugees .Hungarians citizens would be amongst the lucky ones, so let them to sort it.
It’s an Hungarian problem.
that approach has been working so far, so why change it?
NO, all europeans countries’s MUST adopt the Poland example in the muslims issues! All muslims OUT OF EUROPE, WE DON’T WANT ISLAM HERE!!!!!!!!!!!!
I actually think that Europe could do much better with fewer xenophobic morons than without Muslims. Most Muslims I know are nice, peaceful people and not better or worse in terms of traditions than conservative Christians (which Eastern Europeans rarely have problems with, no?). You should be ashamed of yourself.
Hector Niehues-Jeuffroy “most of” but what will do with the “lonely wolf”?! Are YOU asume responsability for ALL muslims? So, keep wet your fingers because you wipe off blades of dust from the keyboard.
The loss of brain-power in many countries of eastern Europe is tremendous and a real threat to their social and economic competence. Therefore I regard an influx of people as a great plus if managed constructively on a European level. Needless to say that governments which turn their power against people fail in supporting the European values. Drastic consequences for those ougt to happen immediately. Europe is no gift, it is a task to achieve. Hungary is on the wrong way.
Now here we see what will be expected of Hungary should they make the mistake of following Germany and the UK
http://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/272654/Nigerian-rapist-wins-right-to-stay-in-UK
And here is another desirable Nigerian. Who managed to lie for years whilst relying on tax payers legal funding to give her the right to stay. Remember, legal aid has been taken away from the British people who pay for this. And of course this person is very useful to the citizens of the UK. Worth the millions it cost us. Of course she tried Canada first but they would have none of it. It was the ECJ who gave her the right to remain. And by rights it should be the European mainland who takes her in and gives her a lifetime of their benefits. Clearly they wanted her to be part of their society. The British did not.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/women/womens-life/11448766/Lesbian-Nigerian-woman-told-Prove-youre-gay-to-stay-in-Britain.html
No,the government doing right.keep citizens safe is the priority.
Asking that question on a site which sports the Soros OSF logo? What a joke! The European People stand with Hungary and Poland because they do the right thing. More and more Europeans are seeing through your evil propaganda. Love Europe! Hate the EU!
Why on earth would they do that ? they would be fools to give into the dictates of Berlin & Brussels.
Hungary s goverment had the right to “protect” them selves with walls. Europe dictated the they had to welcome refugees and if they don t Europe has the same right to cut all the funding for infrastructures the EU gov gave. If they don t like EU just go away. Go back to Russia s influence and all it s mafia. Funny though how in 1945 the UN and European funds created ACNUR so they could settle and give help to the millions refugees wandering in Europe after the he war an other nazi goverment created…
No !!! And bravo to Hungary keeping its ethnicity rather than creating a Muslim chaos !!
Not at all! It is time for the other EU countries to accept that the normal approach is the Hungarian, not the German and French one.
The Hungarian approach is not normal. It is anti-humanitarian. It is based on prejudice, islamofobia and possibly undeclared racism. Similarly to case of Hitler’s regime in the 1930’s, Orban & Co.’s regime is using the refugee issue to gain public support. This is called populism and it is the lowest form of doing politics. The EU should sanction Hungary with no unnecessary delays for failing to uphold the values of the Union.
There is nothing worth accepting there. Basically, the current regime there is a pathetic and money-costing embarrassment to western civilization
The EU is embarassing and money costing, not the national governments.
Absolutely not! It’s not about refugees, it’s about forced colonisation of Europe!
So you expect the people of Germany, Sweden, Belgium and the Netherlands to solve this refugee crisis ánd transfer large amounts of funds to Budapest each year?
You are ignorant! Germany bought every company in Hungary for 1 Eur, than made them bancrupt. After this Hungary was clean for German companies, which transfers all of their incomes home to Germany paying taxes in Germany. The result is: unemployment high, a million Hungarian in Germany working for minimal weight. Germany HAS TO PAY FOR HUNGARY FROM FUNDS IN WHICH HUNGARY PAYS TOO! This is the minimum after plundering and destroying the Hungarian economy! By the way; according to very strong German economic lobby, average net income in Hungary is 400 Euros! Uff!
Faddi Zsolt I am not from Germany. I am from the Netherlands. So what do you say to the Dutch people?
Bernard Bakker as I told You, Hungary pays in the same fund as the Netherland. Welcoming the forced colonizators should remain every country’s own decision. As was the same with Dutch UN-soldiers in Srebrenica, Bosnia, where they watched slaining 12,000 boshniaks by the serbian paramilitary units in 3 days.
Faddi Zsolt if we start talking about history, let’s bring in a certain admiral Horthy and his policies. Or we could discuss the present-day situation. The Netherlands is the largest contributor to the EU per citizen. Hungary is the third largest receiver of EU-funds. The refugees from Syria are not colonizers but men, women and children fleeing a war zone. Whether we like it or not, they’re here. We should help them. Just as we helped Hungarian refugees in the past.
Bernard,
What about hundreds of thousands young and educated Hungarians helping out the economies of older EU members?
Bernard, Srebrenica was 20 years ago, I could say it is in present day. By the way, war in Syria was generated by the West, including Holland, too (besida the USA). So they should clean up their mess!
Donatas Dlugoborskis yes, we have in some sectors more work than people. And yes, educated people for all member states may work here, get payed the same amount and their Dutch collaegues.
Faddi Zsolt my point is, there is no connection between the tragedy in Sebrenica and the civil war in Syria. I wonder how the Dutch government generated this civil war.
But back to Sebrenica, no other country wanted to station troops in Sebrenica, NATO and the UN promised to support the Dutch if we came under attack. Where were the French and Hungarian troops? Where were the British and US fighter jets? UN and NATO sacrificed The men of Sebrenica and scapegoated the Dutch.
Donatas Dlugoborskis yes, we have in some sectors more work than people. And yes, educated people for all member states may work here, get payed the same amount and their Dutch collaegues.
Faddi Zsolt my point is, there is no connection between the tragedy in Sebrenica and the civil war in Syria. I wonder how the Dutch government generated this civil war.
But back to Sebrenica, no other country wanted to station troops in Sebrenica, NATO and the UN promised to support the Dutch if we came under attack. Where were the French and Hungarian troops? Where were the British and US fighter jets? UN and NATO sacrificed The men of Sebrenica and scapegoated the Dutch.
Bernard Bakker the Dutch troops didn’t came under attack and they had a power to stop the butchery! They had a choice to protect the civilians.
From the report of the Sebrenica enquiry:
active defence of the enclave by military means was not in accordance with the mandate, the UN policy (the maintenance of impartiality) or the rules of engagement
the instruction (“to deter by presence”) was for military reaction to be above all reticent
the military balance of power was such that, without outside support, Dutchbat would have been defenceless in a serious confrontation
as a result of the ‘stranglehold strategy’ (the blockade policy of the VRS), Dutchbat III was no longer a fully operational battalion in terms of manpower, supplies or morale.
military means could only be deployed if the safety of the battalion was in danger and if it was the target of direct fire – the ‘smoking gun’ requirement – which the VRS deliberately avoided
the circumstances, such as the failure of air support to materialise and the death of the Dutchbat member Van Renssen through an action by a Bosnian Muslim, hardly encouraged the mood for a counterattack on its own initiative.
(5) The question of whether another battalion (in a different condition, or more heavily armed) would have acted differently is impossible to answer.
So the question remains: Where were our allies? It’s easy to judge someone else while you did nothing, nothing at all.
They almost died there…But the original question still remains: why can’t a country decide on it’s own about letting in the so called “refugees”, who in fact are colonizators, and who are fleeing from a holocaust generated by: the USA, Germany, France, the Netherlands and Belgium? Every country should say: Sorry, but eat up your mess yourself!
And again, how did the Dutch government create the Syrian civil war?
Refugees are not colonizers. Why do you think that?
There is an UN Report from the year 2000, where they mention, that to maintain the sustainable development in Europe, they have to settle “prolific” arabian people which may be the new engine of population growth in the EU. This report says that until 2025 Europe must recieve more than 120 million arabs. This report mentions the old EU-member states, including the Netherlands, too. These countries need more cheap workers, because the imperialistic companies can only on this way cumulate their profits “endlessly”. Of course, this act will lead to bloody war in Europe! To accomplish this goal, the West generated an artificial reason aiming Al Assad as a dictator. So, the West (including the Netherlands) created an “Arab Spring”, destroyed the only barrier against immigrants, Lybia, and made millions of arab people to flee in Europe. On that way is the Dutch government involved in creating a bloody mess on the Middle East.
Can you provide me with a direct link to this rreport on the UN.org site?
If you will, you can find it yourself. I’m not your master, only your teacher :)
Nooooo
If that country doesn’t want to enter the 21st century. It’s thier problem. Our role is to ask ourselves why we subsidize and protect that country.
There is nothing 21st century about Islam.
My concern is more that we are talking about a welfare-queen regime that does nothing but eat subsidies, free-ride the NATO alliance while contributing NOTHING, and they maintain themselves in power by putting up antisemitic conspiracy posters, cracking down on american universities,and by sucking putin’s dick. I’m an american and belgian citizen. I don’t want my tax money going there, and I don’t want american lives defending that sort of embarrassment to western civilization.
If they want to become some kind of borat-stan, let them do it WITHOUT any sort of western financial or military support whatsoever. They want to be like albana or armenia, but even more poor and backwards. I say we let them.
Yes. It ned many more workers due to population decreas. The only way to tackel The countries problem would to OpenThe borders
Good luck with that lol
http://www.dw.com/en/hungarys-viktor-orban-sends-eu-a-border-fence-bill/a-40319972
NO way! We won’t be idiots, like Swedish ppl… They let them in, gave them everything, and now, refugees are ruling in Sweden. Women were raped, children were attacked… It is not a future we would like to have.
It’s only cuse ofta hi immigrations that The economic is good. Ungury Will ontinue to be a poor country UN till they get a population increas. The only way to do it is to have mutch more immigrations
It seems like the plan of Hungary isn’t to have a sustainable economy. It’s to get subsidized by countries like ours that DO have sustainable economies.
I belive The Will son have a totalt collaps IF they do not change
Yes, very much so. We have welcomed thousands of Hungarian refugees is ’56. Thousands of ex-yugoslavian refugees in the 1990’s and thousands of Syrian refugees in the last few years. This ‘burden’ has to be shared. We, the Netherlands, pay the most per citizen. Hungary is the third largest receiver of EU-funds. We expect some solidarity in this matter. If not, the will have to rethink our contributions toember states who aren’t doing their part in this crisis.
I though that NL was the SECOND largest payer (after Luxembourg), while Hungary was the largest welfare-subsidy recipient (even larger than Greece)
https://www.cbs.nl/nl-nl/nieuws/2016/50/nederland-deze-eeuw-grootste-nettobetaler-van-de-eu
Just check the diagram
I still do not get how the Syrian Engineers and Grand Master Chemists can be a ‘burden’. 🤔
That’s why I use quotation marks. In the longer run refugees will be great addition to our society and economy. But we have to provide housing and care for these people first.
Just kicked it out and let them be colonized by Russia again
transit and destination? no SANE human would want to live here in hungary if she has the choice to move forward to any other EU country. yet our government communicates the opposite. also they steal millons of EU funds but they refuse to accept the rules. it’s about time to punish these thiefs and stop the money. no EU money -> no money to steal ->they are fucked. I wish the other countries wake up and force this racist inhuman piece of shit to resign.
The Hungarian people must decide the future of their own country, no one else.
I agree. They just need to stop asking us for tax monies and military protection ASAP. Lazy bunch of welfare-borats.
To all commenters attention: the ruling party acts as they and orban are equal to the hungarian nation. The nation’s majority refuses their acts, but also refuses violent means to get rid of them. Don’t punish everyone for 1 man’s sins. You should have learned that from human history.
Don’t worry, we (or I at least) won’t.
No, the EU should change its aproach and policies.
Yes.
How should they change their policies?
hungary is a lost case ….
God bless Hungary and Mr Orban – defender of Europe!
Germany is the one breaking EU laws on refugees
Ofc not!
It is hight time for EU to sto meddling in national politics…
No way. Why would they do that ?!?
Hungary is an independent state.
And , they never pledged to take quota of illegal migrants from Bruxelles when they joined EU.
EVERY COUNTRY MAY DECIDE INDEPENDENDTLY IF THEY ACCEPT MIGRANTS OR NOT.
THE EU IS NOT ABOUT MIGRANTS IT S ABOUT US, EUROPEANS.
You are right! I’m agree with you!
It’s high time for “Debating Europe” to be a miserable propaganda clown of the EU AA tandem and learn from the bloody consequences of the Mission Impossible of multiculturalism and the integration os Muslims :-( …
It is time to Brexit all the racists out of the EU…. Hungary and Poland first.
Thank You sir Orban, thank you beata and putin. the dictature of bruxells is going down!!!!
Either EU will accept Visegrad views on immigration
or in time Visegrad will leave, trigger a reaction, and the EU will collapse.
Western elites and many of their liberal/internationalist friends are very xenophobic towards Central and Eastern Europe.
Then they accuse C+E Europe of being racist and xenophobic lol comedy.
Hungary is a small sovereign state….it decides by itself.
Then fuck off from EU.
Just time to stop kissing Putin’s @$$
I say let them go and marry Putin. But first they should reimburse all the subsidy we send them
Noone is kissing Putin’s ass from Hungary.. unlike in Germany. It is very sad that the western -european spoiled people cannot even understand basic logical disciplines: Hungary is 100% dependent on Russian gas, had its food/agricultural production exported to Russia…, thus suffered big losses because of w-eu bullshit embargo (which they do not keep btw). I see that some of you swallod the liberal propaganda with a big spoon…
Max Berre what subsidy, idiot? We lost our factories, industry, markets in order to join the eu. It is the minimum it is compensated somehow…. it is time that the easter part of the eu is taken seriously by the demagog, arrogant, brainwashed rich westerners.
Gabriella Anderson You los all that due to your corrupted leaders. How could anyone take seriously a country with a Government likethe one in Hungary?
or the other way around? the EU changing its approach. did you notice the last elections in different EU members and who won?
no, its time for eurogermany soviet union to change its approch towward illegal migration they are illigal imigrants not refugees reed the international law stupid
You right!
Eu leaders should change approach, Hungary has the correct approach!
No… their policy towards the illegal immigrants is what every state should do…
LOL – the other way is going round – believe me, and Orbán was right at the beginning and now above all. :D :D :D
Не!
No, Hungary defend Europe. Long live Mr Orban!
Why?
No..It’s time for the west to change its attitude towards Hungary.
For some reason, they are still a member of EU, NATO, and OECD despite never once having been anything other than dead weight
You are a seriously sick person…
Yes it is
A simple question requires a simple answer: NO.
It is time for European Union to change their approach over the Nazi governament of Hungary, and expulse them.
There would be no refugees in the EU and maybe not even a war in Syria if we had a all professional million personnel EU Military Defense Force created through the EU Enhanced co-operation mechanism bypassing Eurosceptic Britain, with the upgrading , expansion and transformation of the current European Security and Defense Policy unit into a all professional EU Defense Force paid for by the European Central Bank to meet all the needs of a EU Defense Force so as to protect the European Union from external threats like the current Turkish State sponsored flood of illegal immigrants into the European Union designed to undermine and destroy the Institutions of the European Union beginning with the cherished EU institution of Schengen which allows passport-free freedom of movement between EU member States as well as ending the British – Turkish alliance against the Americans and the Greeks in Cyprus which has come in the form of the British State Sponsored Turkish Military invasion and occupation of EU member Cyprus since 1974 which is a British – Turkish alliance against the Americans in Cyprus since 1950 that has been fortified by the British State sponsored Turkish Military invasion and occupation of EU member Cyprus since 1974 resulting in the former Bush Administration of the United States in 2003 committing the worlds biggest foreign policy military debacle not seen since the days of the ancient Trojan War as admitted by senior Pentagon officials with the American military invasion of Iraq in 2003 and overthrow of the Saddam Hussein Regime that landed American led military forces into a Iraqi quagmire that has lasted for more than a decade due to the hostile stance of Turkey towards the EU membership of Cyprus since May 1 2004.
Interesting that you forget to mention that if it wasn’t for those nasty Brit’s you would be a citizen of the German empire now, but given your love of the EU dictatorship maybe you will be happy when they ‘own’ you ….. again.
Excuse me a moment whilst i put these sunglasses on to see through some BS ;) —->https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JI8AMRbqY6w
Europe is going to become a Soviet Union, and don’t admit to any country to have it’s own suveran point of view and even own internal politics. And unfortunately Germany, day bay day become the leader of this union. In this way like the BREXIT will be another countries that will live this union to save and keep their own culture and civilization.
Well said.
Wrong question….”is it time for the european union to change its aproach towards immigrants known as refugees?” now this is the wrigth question.
(Y)
Hungary was and is right, EU is wrong. Just open your eyes,
NO !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! DONT SPOIL HUNGARY TOO !!!
It is time for EU to change its approach not Hungary.
Hungarians are doing well
Hungarians are doing well
Hungarians are doing well
Hungarians are doing well
It is nothing to do with business and trade, so why is it the EU’s business?
Do Debating Europe think It’s OK to be white or…
Do Debating Europe think It’s OK to be white or…
Do Debating Europe think It’s OK to be white or…
Do Debating Europe think It’s OK to be white or…
Higher wall ?
Refugees ?
No they have the right position…and Europe don t have to tell them what to do…
Why? To rape the women, to be robbed by ISIS ?
NO, stay strong Hungary, tighten your rules if anything, you do NOT want to become another Sweden, France, Great Britian, or Norway …. and honor love and protect your women as well … do not become ANOTHER rape capitol
Forgot it
Should Hungary be in the EU at all? It doesn’t seem to fit in at all well.
Why? Do you have any idea about Hungary? I guess you have not even visited the country…..
Gabriella Anderson Twice.
Never…. the world is full of rapers and assassins and that bastards salafiste predators are that…
The europeans genocide is following the evil agenda of muslim predators… one day they will complete the mission
It’s time for Hunagry to put away the begging bowl, regain its self respect and leave the EU.
Why? the EU should change, not Hungary.
No. Orbán was a pioneer in saying that open borders would be an enormous problem: the welfare costs, the crime spike, arguably the undesirability of such cultural-demographic change in and of itself. Merkel and other West-European leaders were stunningly short-sighted and have since changed their tune (see Italy’s crackdown on illegal immigration in the Mediterranean and on NGOs facilitating it).
No, it is time for Europe to follow Hungary.
IWell it’s high time to wake up and say no to tthe Eurabia Project of Darth Soros :-(… https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1y4oqrMiT9o
First Adjust your policy towards Greece, which you have Abandoned and turned to a Souls Storage…
Guys stop this propaganda I can’t stand it anymore… this so called refugee or wtf your calling them they are economical immigrants and that’s the truth they are coming to My working places and asking for jobs and yes we are offering them … but after the so called goodness in our heart is broken,all of them are asking and beginning to don’t register the because they are taking help from Guvermant and if they will have registered salary they can’t make enough money to send to their family back home… but people be realistic if back home it doesn’t exist nothing…where this money are going???
Guys stop this propaganda I can’t stand it anymore… this so called refugee or wtf your calling them they are economical immigrants and that’s the truth they are coming to My working places and asking for jobs and yes we are offering them … but after the so called goodness in our heart is broken,all of them are asking and beginning to don’t register the because they are taking help from Guvermant and if they will have registered salary they can’t make enough money to send to their family back home… but people be realistic if back home it doesn’t exist nothing…where this money are going???
Guys stop this propaganda I can’t stand it anymore… this so called refugee or wtf your calling them they are economical immigrants and that’s the truth they are coming to My working places and asking for jobs and yes we are offering them … but after the so called goodness in our heart is broken,all of them are asking and beginning to don’t register the because they are taking help from Guvermant and if they will have registered salary they can’t make enough money to send to their family back home… but people be realistic if back home it doesn’t exist nothing…where this money are going???
Guys stop this propaganda I can’t stand it anymore… this so called refugee or wtf your calling them they are economical immigrants and that’s the truth they are coming to My working places and asking for jobs and yes we are offering them … but after the so called goodness in our heart is broken,all of them are asking and beginning to don’t register the because they are taking help from Guvermant and if they will have registered salary they can’t make enough money to send to their family back home… but people be realistic if back home it doesn’t exist nothing…where this money are going???
We should all follow Hungary.
I support Hungary!
Deport
No , i say good on them
Is it time for EU propaganda to stop calling migrants refugees?
That’s something that the people of Hungary, and them alone, can answer.
Exactly!
A clear distinction between migrants and refugees is vital throughout Europe. Where that happens is open for debate.
Isn’t it time for EU to change our policy towards illegal immigration?
(there are no “refugees”, as those cross continents to resettle permanently, where refugees seek temporary shelter)
They need taller walls yes.
The ones that sold the weapons. That’s the ones that can open the doors. UK France Germany USA.
No thanks, the EU allowed them to walk across its borders so the EU can keep them, all of them
No you guys more then anybody have to open the doors. You are the warmongers you guys sell weapons to kill children’s. Must be the red coat sindrome.
Manage
It’s time all Europeans started treating those fleeing wars we help fund and climate chaos we help fuel with humanity
No, it is time EU learn with Hungary
Hungary has common sense.
No, it’s time for Europe to stop taking money from human trafficking, because that is truly what is going on regarding this subject and start defending their borders.
Be human!
why should a free sovereign country change it’s approach towards illegal mass migration?
A. That’s something that the people of Hungary, and them alone, can answer.
B. The EU shoud stay out of issues concerning sovereign nations’ internal affairs.
hungary has the best approach. is it time for eu to stop trying to blackmail eastern member states?
Why would they ? The Hungarian people do not want Merkel’s migrants & have made their position perfectly clear so the only way Brussels can change that position is via threats and intimidation which are doomed to fail, but it will increase the opposition to the EU from other member States. Hence Juncker’s plan for his EU army to quell any rebellion to its autocratic rule.
You are repeating European totalitarian history & doing so wrapped in a flag of oppression while preaching unity.
Has EU turned into a dictatorship, which forces its plutocratic interest onto the democratic choices of the people?
No, the rest of the european countries should take the example of Hungary.
No, it’s time for the EU to do that..
Well if in rome do like roman, EU has a set of rules and values. If you dont fit then simply get out. Stop victimazing Hungarian governement they are not victims, they think they can do as they please while taking all the benefits from EU, sorrymate but its not how Unions work
LEAVE THEM TO DO WHAT EVER THEY WANT
Europe continues to treat islam as a relegion while in reality is a totallitarian political system that is opposing our democratic values. No Hungary and every other country has a right to decide if they want or not immigrants. The beurocracy of EU being too busy with themshelves can’t realize that they push more and more citizens to the far right with their decisions.
No, it’s time for Western European countries to stop being so stupid and naive, and to put a stop to the invasion.
Time for rhe EU to change its approach on refugees. And pretty much everything else.