Europe has some of the highest rates of gun ownership in the world. Despite often being portrayed as a bastion of arms control, gun laws vary considerably across the continent. It’s true that the EU sets minimum standards regarding purchasing and possessing firearms, but Member States are free to implement stricter controls if they wish. Gun ownership is relatively common in Finland and Sweden, for example, whereas Germany has very restrictive laws.
Following the November 2015 terrorist attacks in Paris, the EU brought forward plans to strengthen gun control laws across the bloc. The new rules come into force at the national level in 2017-2018, and include greater restrictions on the ownership of semi-automatic firearms and stricter monitoring of gun owners.
The Commission had originally wanted to restrict magazine size to 10 rounds or less, as well as introduce a complete ban on military-style semi-automatic firearms such as AK47 and AR15 variants, plus a ban on assault weapons for private collectors. However, some Member States, including the Czech Republic, feel the new laws already go too far.
Should guns be banned across Europe? Should military-style semi-automatic weapons be completely banned? Or are the current laws tough enough? Let us know your thoughts and comments in the form below and we’ll take them to policymakers and experts for their reactions!
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Yes!!
No!
I hope you all see what is happening, rather than to enforce the borders the politicians are creating internal borders, concrete barriers at festivals, full body searches at concerts, banning bags at certain events, more spying powers, harscher laws, banning certain weapons or even all of them. At the same tine the decades old policy of mass muslim migration and asylum continies and with it tge rising crime and terror threat. If only we had enforced the borders then now we wouldnt be losing freedom to guarantee a security THAT CANNOT BE GUARANTEED.
Not only will we lose our freedom but we will lose our security if this political madneas continues.
You all like it so. So go back to your sandwhich and your video games.
No we need them free like in the US. Clash of civilizations with all the illegals invading is eminent.
Yes.
No. Only law abiding citizens will be disarmed. Outlaws by definition don’t respect laws and will keep their guns.
Can we please stop with the ‘only the bad guys’ will have guns argument? One, the fact that a citizen is law-abiding doesn’t mean that he is mentally stable, or that he will continue to abide by the law in the future, for that matter. Two, buying a gun in the black market is incredibly costly, making it unaccessible for many people. Three, we do not live in the Wild West, if an ‘outlaw’ gets a gun and starts shooting, we won’t have some sort of European Clint Eastwood come and gun him down in a heroic climax.
Accidentally, criminals also have access to black market and resources to buy weapons there due to, what a surprise, being criminals.
See, Dylan, problem is, that when you treat citizens as potential criminals (as in „the fact that a citizen is law-abiding doesn’t mean that he is mentally stable, or that he will continue to abide by the law in the future”), they also tend to distrust such a government more. Which also creates an environment for crime to flourish.
Nobody really expects a sort of European Clint Eastwood or Charles Bronson to step in. It’s just better to be able to defend one’s home from an armed burglar barging in, or at least have a chance against a gun-toting terrorist on the street, than to be left defenseless. It’s about a chance to be able to defend one’s life — and banning guns across the Europe would strip law-abiding citizens of that chance.
Of course it won’t stop. Law abiding citizen didn’t commit any crime and your treat them like potential criminals!
You are now saying that they might commit a crime or they might turn crazy and that’s why they shouldn’t have a gun. This is getting ridicilous! I guess sooner or later we will have to ban kitchen knife with such deceptive reasoning. The fact is that the immense majority didn’t commit any problem with their guns. Countries like Swizterland having one of the highest high rates of ownership is safer than most countries were even a .22 is outlawed.
in Brussels an AK-47 cost 1200 euros and it can be found in 6 hours on the black market. I won’t call that “costly” and even quicker than Amazon. As far as I know all weapong used by terrorists have been bought on the black market. None is cming from a legitimate source. It stops nothing.
The rest sorry but I don’t see your point and I don’t feel the need to comment.
http://www.dhnet.be/actu/societe/six-heures-pour-se-procurer-une-arme-51b7a145e4b0de6db984e36b
Dylan Lasso Cester Bullshit.
Anti gun laws do not stop gun crime. It is very easy to get a gun on black market. Not easy to get a legal one in Spain. You must pass screening, psychoanalysis. But for the hell of it. Lets ban guns. What have you solved? How many crimes are committed by legal gun owners? Aand while at it, lets ban trucks, home made explosives and muslims. As I see it, muslims commit more crimes per capita than any other. They should be banned as well.
Prohibition never works. Plus, it’s unfair to the most vulnerable…
No !
Quite the opposite. Everyone should have the right to keep and bear arms and have the unlimited right to use lethal force in case of self-defense, and it is then up to the prosecution to prove in a court of law beyond reasonable doubt that you were not acting in self-defense, while you have the presumption of innocense and your defense is that you acted in self-defense
Sounds like something the victims would agree upon. At least they have a fair chance at court..oh wait!
I am familliar with enough cases of people who were armed, wede atacked by assailants with melee weapons, they had to resort to firing a shot to avoid death or serious injury, and are later treated like criminals, with the presumption of guilt. You make no arguments
EU should copy much of the USA constitution. If EU is free, then guns should be legal. Now EU looks more and more like tyranny
Dino Šakanović intelligent argument i see ;-)
Tell me Marko. Do you consider the citizens of the US to be free?
Compared to EU citizens, YES!!! In EU we dont even have freedom of speech
You Marko Martinović are retarded as fuck.
Marko Martinović noi la Costituzione ce l’abbiamo già e non ho nessuna intenzione di rinunciare alla mia per adottarne un’altra . Prova a chiedere ad un americano di rinunciare alla loro Costituzione …..ti ammazzano all’istante con l’arma. Suvvia
Yes
Best left for individual nations to sort if out.
le armi la questione alle singole nazioni mi sta bene ma l’immigrazione va risolto insieme e in fretta
Yes
Yes
FUCK NO! How are we going to defend ourself … all who agrees are pussies!
YES!!!!
Assault rifles should be banned, but leave the hunter their tool.
1. Define assault rifle
2. Prohibiting people from getting a gun never ends well. You can google Chicago, Brazil or UK crime statistics, and you will see, that amount of death from crimes per 100, 000 citizens is higher than in countries where gun laws are less strict.
nope
I live in Bulgaria where it is very hard to get a gun since communist times… That never stopped criminals to get it ….
Yes
YES
No, we have to defend ourselves, our families, the property! In Texas is low crime!
NO!
And Knifes and Lorries? Please… don’t be silly.
No, no and NO!
No, no and NO!
No, no and NO!
No, no and NO!
No, no and NO!
No, no and NO!
No, no and NO!
Criminals should be banned, not guns
Here is another proof of my point banned guns do not stop increase in gun crime with 42% when you have people (or import them) that do not care http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-england-london-39578500
No, the freedom to protect oneself against harm and aggression is a fundamental right and guns facilitate the defense of the individual in ways which others can’t,
No!
Yes!
ASK THE iTALIANS BEFORE PUTTING THIS QUESTION>
da noi ci sta la licenza per la caccia ma non è facile prenderla ed è molto costosa la caccia per cui sono pochi. L’arma va custodita scarica in luoghi sicuri. La pistola bisogna prendere un’altra licenza per uso sportivo tipo tiro a segno tiro al piattello , in tutto ci sono 5 tipi di licenze e non è possibile portarla appresso in percorso diverso da quello che serve per recarsi al poligono o comunque stabilito dalla questura o la Prefettura
io ho risposto ma non ho capito perchè prima di fare il questionario dovrebbe chiedere agli italiani ?
No, it only disarms the law-abiding, responsible citizen, rendering him defenseless against armed criminals. Guns don’t kill people, people kill people.
Of course guns kill people. When have you heard of anyone blasting someone’s vital organs apart with a supersonic punch?
You’re funny. In Superman stories perhaps. But I’ve never heard of any gun left alone on a table to start shooting people suddenly.
A gun kills people, just as a car runs someone over and spoons make you fat. I might add that was sarcasm.
Ban guns. EU wide. Let’s not become a copy of the unterdevelopped country on the other side of the ocean.
Ban guns. EU wide. Let’s not become a copy of the underdevelopped country on the other side of the ocean.
You mean Brazil? But they have banned guns already, and somehow amount of crimes commited with guns is increasing since the ban.
Or maybe you thik about UK, another country where guns are banned, which has one of highest amounts of crimes per 100,000 citizens, way higher than for example Texas where anyone can get a gun.
do you mean Mexico, where gun laws are hyperrestrictive, something that helped maphias and narcos to stablish their powers, by arming themselves and controlling a disarmed population?
NO
Yes now
Deve ser para os porcos pedofilos islamitas nos abaterem sem resistência. Coitados, ainda se podiam magoar.:-(
Off course!!!
why?
Răzvan Grigore Only cucks don’t like guns
No. The criminals get them anyway. It’s better when some decent people have guns too, so it would not be so easy to go into a block of flats and murder everyone. For example.
Definitely NO. Latest EU weapon regulation causes huge discussion in my country (CZ) and PMs even want to change our constitution because of it. It has appeared to be a big problem among our people and I am afraind it could lead to a bigger distance of czech people from EU as the instition and it may be also a very significant argument againts(!) EU if some politicians manage to get referendum (about leaving EU) through our parlament. EU should definitely not propose any other weapon regulation (at least not within next few years).
Yes, but only if it’s possible to ban them also amongst criminals.
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I said that & my post got deleted, how very odd, but then maybe not so odd.
Directive L 0477/1991 = shit. Directive L 0853/2017 = shit.Voters on the election to the E.P : 46 % in 2014.Next election I hope there will be less.
No, they should not be banned. My family has had guns for generations and not one single incident. A lot of trophies have been won in competitions. Guns are for clay pigeon shooting, hunting and vermin control. The drive to ban legal guns but leave armed gangs with weapons in Europe is very strange.
Tell americans moroons that, they fi nut.
No no, never…
Of course, let’s permit only to ISIS’s “refugees ” to have them
I would have said, yes, to this two years ago. But the society within Europe and especially in the UK now, means that without the right to bear arms we are all in tremendous danger. The streets have become filled with violent bandits. In the UK masses of mostly immigrant men violating our laws on killing with guns and knives, acid attacks, razor slashing, etc., is now completely out of control. The government has tried desperately to cover this up but it is filtering through as if a hole has opened in the dam and it is no longer possible for it remain invisible.
They must allow the citizens to defend their lives. Or, get rid of the enemy within en masse.
Yes, ofcourse!
Check out history
YES YES YES
Πόσο φιλειρηνικός!
Αφού με ξέρεις 😊
Vote for TOLO
Yessss
Only x criminals
European states as well as the EU don’t protect its citizens (as seen by the almost everyday terrorist attacks). Plus a citizen without a gun is as Americans say a mere subject. Not only we should NOT ban guns, but in fact I think we should make gun ownership free. Provided that a person has no criminal record (murder, armed assault and so on) and he is mentally stable, he should be able to obtain means to defend his family and property easy.
And that is why america has one of the highest gun violance and gun related death rates in the world. You’re using the worst exemple posible. My brother almost died in a gun accident, so you should know better by now…. Inform yourself.
Do you think the gun violence is related to legit gun owners or to criminal gangs? Guns free or guns forbidden, criminals will always have firearms. The question is about normal law-abiding citizens. Literary every drug dealer, pimp, thief and so on I ever saw and knew, has a gun….illegit one. Normal citizens however don’t.
“Almost everyday terrorist attacks”.
Where do you live, in Palestine?
Well said Simeon.
Luis Terra you made two major mistakes:
1. You decided to use USA as example, but USA is more like a stronger EU with their states comparing to our countries.
2. You provided false statistics USA has ~10 firearms related deaths per 100 000 citizens. (Brazil has strict gun control and 21 deaths/100 000 citizens) And most of these deaths in US are related to gangs and are commited in places like Chicago, where guns are prohibited.
Please, at least check statistics before you post next time.
Oh yes! Absolutely!
Oui, pour une interdiction totale de cela!! Soyons civlisé(e)s!!
yes!!!
Bați câmpii cucoană! O armă deținută legal nu este o amenințare! Însă armele deținute și utilizate ilegal da! Întrebarea este cu naiba te aperi dacă ești atacată de cineva care deține ilegal o armă sau este terorist? Genul acesta inept de gândire naște victimele perfecte împotriva adevăraților criminali sau teroriști. Vorbiți fără să înțelegeți o iotă despre portul și uzul de armă!
Absolutely
Why??? Do you consider is better to be incabable to defend yourself and your family by criminals and terrorists??? A gun wore legally is not a threat but a guarantee!
Yess!!!!!!!
No. Hell no. We need ’em. Now.
I agree. Anybody needs to kill someone sometimes.
Owning a weapon is not too kill someone, but most often to make holes in paper, hunt and as a safety insurance.
If you don’t try to kill me, my legally held weapons are no danger to you.
No. It has to be even more simple to get one. I would like Switzerland model, thank you.
Or US militias.
Yes!!!!!
No, it is very serious statistics in USA to show that in states where guns are being held by prevalent amount of population crime rate is dramatically low. Human beings are like the are – principles of humanism doesn’t work at all, so all such drastic methods like this working simply perfect comparing to good will, tolerance, pacifism and other bullsh*t. I am sorry for that, but it is truth…
The truth is a America is a violent Police State, they Love shooting up their children. A vile and disgusting country
Nope. The opposite. Why give politicians and authoritarians powers and rights that regular ppl don’t have?
Hell no
Viktor Aleksovski
People in the Balkans have enough guns, illegal of course :)
Plus, forget about guns, we need tanks and missiles, with guns you can kill certain amount of people but with missiles you can truly destroy the whole block.
Pure gold. Love it.
But there was no talk about the weapons
Italy and other states, do export in the Democratic West, to kill decent people, ? .
There was no talk about weapons and chemical garbage, Italy do export in Albania,? .
There must be millions of stories about.
??? ma che hai detto? Con il traduttore non si capisce il senso
Ho detto che l ‘Italia è uno tra i più grandi esportatori di armi al mondo, e quindi non c’è di che meravigliarsi.
il problema non è di chi produce l’arma ma degli Stati che non adottano misure precauzionali tipo : che vada in mano a chi non è sano di mente, a chi ha la fedina penale sporca, a chi la usa impropriamente ecc… la nostra Costituzione italiana ci protegge in questo , è meravigliosa la Costituzione italiana , è la più bella Costituzione che esiste <3
Bad idea.
All depends on how much freedom you wish in your lives.
No… Keep focus on banning criminality only from any tools even the psyche
Better focus on criminality & its roots.
How many of those who have produced terrorist attacks have bought legal weapons? Laws are for those who respect them … A great NO for such initiatives
And how suppose to defend yourself and your family by those who don’t give a shit about any rules or tetorist??? A gun detained legally is not a threat for society!
Not really ! The people that are innocent will be at the mercy of criminals who will procure guns even guns are banned or not, they don’t care if the gun is legal, it is a simple logic. If there is a problem in the society, such as terrorism, or increase violence, make the efforts for dealing with it bigger and while the state institutions are dealing with the problem to take it to low levels, law abiding citizens should be offered the chance from the state to defend themselves, with a certain gun control and education. You can look at Switzerland. It’s such a shame that in many countries politicians act like they really hate their citizens..
What about other things?!!..
Yesss
and what about corrupted politicians, you are doing nothing about it?!
Dies more people for firearms in South America, where they are prohibited, than in Usa. The problem is not illegalization, but corruption and inequality; In Switzerland they have no problems. In Sweden or Norway there would not be either.
le armi non possono essere vendute liberamente. Le vendono, almeno da noi, a persone che hanno passato dei test uno dei quali è il test psicologico che è responsabile dell’arma affidata e dell’uso corretto . In America nord e sud, non richiedono questi requisiti ecco perchè ci sono troppi problemi con le armi laggiù.
Never
Criminals ALWAYS can find and buy guns, law abiding citizens cannot, why should they not be allowed to own a gun should they go by obtaining that gun by the law ?? Why not ??
Banning criminality and guns
All of Them
If one reads an article like…………:
“THE cost of security for MEPs and staff at the European Union’s Parliament is set to rise again with President Antonio Tajani to be protected with 12 bodyguards.”
http://www.express.co.uk/news/world/771038/EU-Parliament-security-cost-body-guards-Antonio-Tajani-Klaus-Welle
………….and EU politicians expects the electorate to be totally disarmed- REGARDLESS- is the pits of hypocrisy & a grand show of cowardice!
Such exceptional & “peaceful EU” needs neither armed bodyguards for its politicians, nor weapons for ANYBODY!
Please politicians, be exemplary and show the way- the electorate might follow!
It makes no sense banning legal guns used by owners responsibly and legally, whereas anyone can buy an illegal gun smuggled across the EU borders. It is counterproductive and results in increased bureaucracy and costs.
Yes! (but increase police!)
Definitely, YES!
I did not know they were not banned already.
Offcurse every one of them. Any allowed to be kept at the sportcenters. Same fore the Huntingdon while not in use.
L’Unione europea ci ha portato la fame e la disoccupazione. Per un fenomeno internazionale ci sta riempiendo di immigrati affamati più di noi . Si salva chi ammazza e ruba . Vi rendete conto quanto le politiche sbagliate calate da “illuminati ” criminali internazionali creano popoli assassini ? Se rendete i popoli aggressivi anche il coltello diventa un’arma pericolosa ! Ridateci la nostra Costituzione !!! The European Union has brought us hunger and unemployment. An international phenomenon is filling us with hungry immigrants more than us. Will you save those who kill and steal? Do you realize how wrong the politics of “illuminated” international criminals create assassinous people? If you make aggressive people even the knife becomes a dangerous weapon! Get rid of our constitution !!!
Quite hateful, aren’t you?
il traduttore mi traduce ” molto odioso , vero? ” Cosa è odioso? The translator translates to me “very hateful, right?” What is hateful?
La merda è arrivata con “Mani Pulite”. Piantala. Ma soprattutto, cosa cazzo c’entra?
come cosa c’entra? Si parla di arma da fuoco se legalizzarle o no. Io ho risposto bene . Sei tu che tiri fuori mani pulite che niente c’entra con le armi
sei un ragazzo e mi fai tenerezza ma le parolacce non vanno bene non si dicono. Caro Matteo visto che hai tirato fuori mani pulite guarda un pò cosa ci diceva la classe dirigente di allora. Dimmi un pò che non avevano ragione ecco perchè forse fu fatta fuori con mani pulite. eh. Ciao Matteo https://youtu.be/0p078rg_K1I
Yes please, we are not stupid gunlovers like the US
And knives, cars, lorries, too!
To je bila tudi politika Hitlerja! Razorožiti ljudstvo!
absolutely, no exeptions
To all those quoting statistics on gun crime, it is immaterial, people do not become criminals because they have a gun. Criminals will always get guns so whether guns are banned or not gun crime statistic will remain the same
However, based on the fact the UK has some of the tightest gun controls in the world and one of the lowest rates of gun related deaths is a statistic which cannot be ignored.
Quite how anyone thinks allowing poorly trained civilians access to firearms makes the world a safer place defies all logic. Even if you ignore the deliberate shootings the amount of accidental deaths caused by incompetent people and young children “playing” with daddies gun must be a compelling case to ban them
Paul X
Forgive me, Paul, but, I think you grossly underestimate the hatred and the threat of violence toward the people of our nation. I pray and hope I’m wrong, but, it is already happening in the USA. Which is being kept very quiet. And we have seen mass killings of so many of our people already this year.
You may think you are lacking the competence to defend yourself with a gun, then, should that be so, ask a family member to keep an eye out for you. I’m sure that I, just like Scarlet O’hara, will be able to take the chance and defend myself against a person who thinks I may be an easy target. I won’t and neither will my kin. We do not intend to be sitting ducks should a civil war begin that is instigated by fools who call themselves politicians..
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YIXc8yQ2m84
Catherine, far from lacking competence to use a firearm I spent over 20 years in the military so I have plenty of training and personally I would love the greater sense of security owning one would bring
But if you look around you at some of the people in today’s society the liberal left agenda has resulted in a whole generation of idiots who seem to have no respect for any authority and believe the world owes them a living for doing sweet FA, and I believe if we allow these clowns to own guns the country will certainly not be a safer place …gun ownership is just like any other arms race, idiots buy guns so normal people have to buy guns to protect themselves from the idiots
Yeah it worked great
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Surely!
Why not strongest punisment for the criminals thet use them?.
Across the world
No.
I hope No!!!!
No!! Europeans need to defend themselves. Proud southern American here. Yee Yee!! Rebel yell!
This ain’t Texas boy
YES !
NOT OF COURSE
Yes, banned
No!!!!!
We never had access to guns in Romania and we are happy with how things are now. We argue in traffic or on the street, but we never fear that the other person could pull out a gun and this is a good thing. We don’t need to live in fear.
Marciela Potoc
We already have well regulated access to guns in Czech Republic and we are happy with how are – the crime rate of legal gun owners are already extremely low therefore there is no need to be afraid of legal gun owners. There are hundreds of thousands of legal gun owners and we also do not live in fear. In reality, the police officers have higher crime rates than registered gun owners.
Therefore NO. The EU gun ban is very dangerous idea. It is a typical “security theater” that will, in the long term, lead to reduced safety.
Paul X: Yes, the UK has one of the most strict gun laws yet the UK dose not have the lowest crime rates. Guns have been restricted, knives have been restricted, acids will be restricted, some years later UK is likely to try to restrict even stones … When are you going to realize that weapon is just a tool and that in order to increase safety you have to address the root cause, not the tool ?
By the way, after a gun ban the crime rates usually tend to go up. It happened in UK, in Jamaica, in Venezuela, in Ireland …
I have already said that gun laws and crime statistics are not related, the amount of criminals wont increase or decrease with gun ownership, you will just have better armed criminals
….and knives and acid have many uses, 99% of which are perfectly legal, guns were designed with one purpose in mind, to kill things
Paul X
Amount of gun owners may not be related to amount of criminals, but criminals often don’t attack when they think their target is armed. Therefore amount of gun owners is related to amount of crimes (google kennesaw 1980 -1984 crime statistics and gun amount)
That would be insane.
Gun owners in EU are the most vetted and checked people. Probably law-abiding and responsible. Treating them as criminals won’t make Europe safer.
We in former communist countries know what it means to leave the state and criminals as the only armed people. I don’t want that for Europe.
Law abiding does not equal competent… safe handling of firearms takes a lot of training… just google accidental shooting statistics in the US to see how much safer “legal” guns can make a country
In this times of turmoil, not at all.
Turmoil?
The world and Europe are in their safest situation ever.
You watch the wrong news, and are too impressionable.
There is a terrorist attack every second week what is worse is that many extremists aren’t organised or affiliated with any group so they could hit at any time and anywhere.
Yesssssss!!
On the contrary, we need to institute an EU-wide right to keep an bear arms, so that you can walk into a gun store with ID and paperwork proving a clear criminal record and no mental health issues and walk out with anything that falls under the category of “small arms”. Also, we need to recognize ownership of oneself, one’s personal sovereignty, and one’s right to unlimited self-defense, including through the use of lethal force
you my tovarisch, deserve many medals :)!!!!!!!!!!!!
No. The criminals can get them on the black market easily, so decent people need something for their defense, too.
Cause and effect.
Should guns be EXTENDED across Europe ? This is the right question.
Quite the opposite.
No.
More importantly, should this be a European decision? The answer to which of course also is a resounding “no”.
Yes, they should be banned. We must invest into having better police services instead of a bunch of citizens plenty of weapons.
Take a look at the USA, they have one of the highest index of murders due to guns… They’re not safer than us.
It depends entirely on where you are in the USA. It’s a pretty big country. Ironically, the areas that have the strictest gun laws often have the highest crime and gun violence rates.
Matthew Griffing please can you show me the source of your affirmation?
Here you are mine, if you have a look at the following study and you go to the conclusions you can find this:
“Although we could not determine causation, we found that states with higher levels of gun ownership had disproportionately large numbers of deaths from firearm-related homicides.”
source: https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3828709/
Daniel Martines google kennesaw 1980 – 1984 crime statistics (manadatory gun ownership), check current chicago statistics (strict gun ban), texas crime statistics.
Most definitely. And the rule should apply to everyone stepping onto European territory, not only the residents.
No.. terrorist will still get them anyway. People needs to defend it self.
Absolutely.
No. This is the worst time to do something like that.
Guns are for killing people… Who ever what’s to have a gun that’s equal of attempt of murder. If they want to kill they just have to go to a war zone. If no one has a gun no one gets killed.
What? You do know that people can also be strangled or stabbed to death? And guns aren’t solely for killing people, most Europeans own them for things such as hunting and sporting events, or more importantly, just for fun
The number 1 weapon used for murder is the hammer. Let’s ban that too
You need balls to use a hammer or a knife… The closest you get the hardest
Would certainly want to see someone defending himself against a knife with no gun in his hand.
You can kill a person with a fork… how many braincells this george guy have? :D
As I say Jarmo… You need balls to kill someone from close distance.
All we need to do is to look at the USA where it is a Constitutional right. We then look at the death stats they have. How many deaths per year? Do we want to be as the US?
They should banned all the muslims people out of here
Let them keep guns…just ban the bullets…
Disarming the police and the military is much safer for civilians, whom often fall victim to the actions of corporate war mongers and political extortion. No guns, no crime, right?
I think that the recent surge in terrorism shows that people should be disarmed in the most extensive way possible, and the same time the peacekeeping forces should be armed as much as it is possible and reasonable
There are no peacekeeping forces! There are only killing forces.
are you out of your mind?!! who is it who killed more than 200 people in France? the police, perhaps? and I’m not even talking about the other terrorist attacks! if you live in an alternate reality, stay there! fuck you!
Debating Europe how can you tolerate praise of terrorism and conspirationism on your page? it’s a real shame!
No! They should be legalized across Europe so that we can protect ourselves and our families from all the islamic bastards that actually are killing us!
Are you afraid of your NABOUR.
Joe Grixti i’m afraid of nothing!
U look really afraid to me
Jean-Christophe Hmr it’s time to buy new 👓!
Yes!
Never. We are not live stock going to the slawgter house. I will no be killed without a fight.
OF CORSE, YESSSSSSSS.
no. pan-european application of the Swiss defense/security model. = half a billion armed men and women.
All kinds of weapons for civilian use should be banned in the EU.
Banned for terrorists .
If you have strong borders,yes.if you not,its beter to have something…
Legal ownership of guns has a positive educational outcome.
Of course, disarm the respectable, law abiding citizen so he shouldn’t pose a threat to armed criminals. Or to an oppressive regime. Place your life or your safety solely in the hands of the regime’s police, and pray that the regime will always remain righteous and benevolent. (with sarcasm)
Yes, definitely yes.
So Debating Europe is funded by the USA ? Interesting.
N.O.
No because the criminals have great and sophisticated weaponery and the good ones arent allowed have at least a machine gun… means governments protect the criminals and the judges play the f… game too. If the terrorists kill someone the Judge Condemn but the same day they are out… if one of the goods do in self defende the f… judges give 25 years in prision.. something has to be done and quickly or things can be out of control for all
Give every retard a gun.
Shoud “debating europe” be banned across Europe? I think it should, such is the amout of idiotic questions and filthy propaganda made by it.
You want EU army and EU without weapons? How this would even work…
No. I predict there will be a devastating war in Europe in the near future. Therefore, Muslims will need to have guns to protect themselves. Don’t wanna see Muslims becoming Jews of 21th century.
Yes yes YES !!!! STOP supporting the gun manufacturers !!
Yes yes YES !!!! STOP supporting the gun manufacturers !!
Yes yes YES !!!! STOP supporting the gun manufacturers !!
Yes yes YES !!!! STOP supporting the gun manufacturers !!
Yes yes YES !!!! STOP supporting the gun manufacturers !!
Yes yes YES !!!! STOP supporting the gun manufacturers !!
Yes yes YES !!!! STOP supporting the gun manufacturers !!
Yes yes YES !!!! STOP supporting the gun manufacturers !!
It’s the wrong question to ask in a way, because it starts assuming that law-abiding citizens may have a legitimate need for semi-automatic weapons and self-defense. But using weapons is the ultimate escalation. Bearing arms does not make anyone safer, quite the contrary, if we look at stats from the US. Now if the goal is indeed security, then instead of looking at fake solutions we should address the real problems. Some here claim its immigration, but that is just a popular scape goat. The real problem is inequality, injustice and poverty. If people fundamental human needs are met in terms of food, access to housing, education, health care.. then there is no need to pick up a (armed) fight. More guns is a end-of-pipe solution that solves nothing. I count on Europe to be more civilised than that, and that means tackling problems upstream.
What stats?
It’s the wrong question to ask in a way, because it starts assuming that law-abiding citizens may have a legitimate need for semi-automatic weapons and self-defense. But using weapons is the ultimate escalation. Bearing arms does not make anyone safer, quite the contrary, if we look at stats from the US. Now if the goal is indeed security, then instead of looking at fake solutions we should address the real problems. Some here claim its immigration, but that is just a popular scape goat. The real problem is inequality, injustice and poverty. If people fundamental human needs are met in terms of food, access to housing, education, health care.. then there is no need to pick up a (armed) fight. More guns is a end-of-pipe solution that solves nothing. I count on Europe to be more civilised than that, and that means tackling problems upstream.
You are correct , this is the last thing EU needs! If guns become common so does crime!
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it is banned in Latin America. And there more crimes than in Usa. Not problem in Switzerland or Sweden. Bunned guns is not the problem or the solution. it is just divert attention from the real problem.
No. Definitely not! Regarding the increasing of the terrorist attacks, wearing a gun legally should be a chance for survival and stopping eventually a crime or a terrorist.
May be u missed the concept of running ?
A running person is a moving target and soon or later a victim. The running away is not a solution in front of the terror. Facing it is another thing. All the Jewish victims at Auschwitz was nothing but running victims, and was driven to the gas chambers!
Γιες.
An armed and TRAINED person will be able to defend himself at the time response period of 8 to 30mins or more where he will have to deal with criminals/terrorists ON HIS OWN until authorities arrive on scene
Question is missleading and putting a subject in wrong context..lets retry shall we?
Should citizens in Europe be trained and be able to have weapons after a strict evaluation or stay unarmed, untrained and leave the initiative to those who are malicious enough to hurt them?
This page should be renamed to “SJW Europe” or better still, “Debating leftism”.
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Agreed!
No. The bad guys can get weapons anyway. You’d only be disarming lawful citizens. Not a great plan.
you dont need a gun to kill someone
Yes, of course. And weapons industries nationalised.
They should be required given the current *cough* ‘multicultural’ crisis.
yes here is EU not USA
Sure, ban violence in any form
Violence is already banned. There’s still people killing other people with trucks and kitchen knives???
Of course, only americans are totally nuts’!!!!!
Racist much????
If you debate a topic you should read studies of criminologists, not only the newspapers. Legal gun ownership has violence-reducing effects. Banning them would have a zero-net effect on homicide rates, as well as on terroristic attacks.
The EU Commission spent € 600.000 for a 12-month-research on gun crime. The final report of the EFFECT-PROJECT had been published in May 2016.
In a combined country and individual-level analyses these results
remained, and in addition it was observed that the high availability of
firearms was associated with lower levels of victimization by contact
crime in general, suggesting a potential deterrent effect of availability.
Individual contact crimes involving firearms are a relatively rare occurrence across European countries, with robbery being more likely to involve firearms than cases of interpersonal violence. Firearms are considered by police forces to be simply an accessory to crime, and as such their focus is more on the basic crime itself. The impact of firearm crime is unknown, due
to insufficient quality data (Chapter 2)
There is more evidence that firearms owners are likely to be victims of, rather than perpetrators of, violence. This may be due to the fact that those at risk may be more likely to hold a firearm (such as security officers or policemen). Additionally, a potential deterrent effect was also found, since higher levels of firearm ownership in a country were associated with lower levels of victimization by contact crime in general (Chapter 3)
Prof. Gary Kleck reviewed 41 English-language studies that tested the hypothesis that higher gun prevalence levels cause higher crime rates, especially higher homicide rates. He wrote:
It must be tentatively concluded that higher gun ownership rates do not cause higher crime rates, including homicide rates.
Why does gun prevalence not have a significant positive effect on homicide?
The most likely explanation is that
a) most guns are possessed by non-criminals whose only involvement in crime is as victims, and
b) defensive gun use by crime victims is both common and effective in preventing the offender from injuring the victim.
These violence reducing-effects of guns in the hands of victims may roughly cancel out the violence-increasing effects of guns in the hands of offenders, resulting in a near-zero net effect on homicide rates (Kovandzic et al., 2012, 2013).
To read more and follow the links of above snippets to the studies:
https://firearms-united.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/06/Impact-Assessment.pdf
Prevent Terrorism
In 2004 Islamic extremists killed 192 people and injured around 2000 with stolen explosives. The Madrid bombings were the deadliest terrorist attack in the history of Spain and the worst attack in Europe since the 1988 Lockerbie bombing.
As reaction the EU decided a range of counter-terrorism actions, including the TTE Track & Trace of Explosives. This EU-identification directive forces every manufacturer, distributor and end user of civil explosives to document consistently their way through the whole supply chain. It came into
force in 2013 for producers and in April 2015 for distributors and end users.
This directive did not prevent November 2015 Paris attacks, 2016
Brussels bombing or 2016 Ansbach bombing as the terrorists used illicit explosives.
Prevent Mass Murder
Since 2001 (box cutters in planes) and Nice (truck) everybody knows that banning means will not prevent mass murder. Mass murderers use explosives, firearms, poison, fire in small rooms (plane, cinema, train) and vehicles for their attacks.
https://firearms-united.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/06/Impact-Assessment.pdf
What is it with the obsession of banning legally owned firearms?
They are barely represented in crime statistics, they are not a source of firearms for criminals or terrorists. As most illegal firearms come from military and police stocks or are smuggled from war zones. There is also absolutely no correlation between murders/crime and legal gun ownership. So without correlation there is not even causation.
And military style, well sounds scary, but what does it really mean? Let’s ban anything military style, like camouflage print clothing, green cars and trucks, radar, … Appearance does not make something dangerous.
Several research papers have stated legal gun owners are less likely to commit crimes than law enforcement personnel.
In the EU we have over 65000 murders a year, about 0.1% is with legal firearms. Vastly more people are killed with fists and feet. We had no mass shootings in the EU with firearms of legal origin since 2010 (and even that one would have been prevented if the police had done their job correctly).
So what are we trying to prevent? That people enjoy some healthy outdoors sport activities?
This is just fear of something people don’t know or understand. The article is already clear as “assault weapons” don’t exist. Apart as a misguided legal term in the US, drafted by anti-gun politicians that cannot even describe what the terms they used mean. You know what other thing is based on fear of the unknown and prejudices? Racism… Supporting the EU commissions stance is gun-owner racism and discrimination. Btw an analysis paid for by the EU commission stated that the ban and proposal would increase firearm crime in the EU if passed. http://www.transcrime.it/wp-content/uploads/2017/03/FIREFinalReport.pdf
Definitely no. We need more firearms and more citizens able to use them. People have right to defend themselfs, it’s a natural law. No politician paid from MY money who should be my slave and servant will not tell me what I can or can’t own.
Selfe defense is a natural given law. Every living creature will defend itself and it’s children against predator. If somebody tells that man shouldn’t be able to do that, he is the predator too and shall be put away from civilized society.
not for muslims, I think ..
not for muslims, I think ..
not for muslims, I think ..
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not for muslims, I think ..
not for muslims, I think ..
Just tell me: how banning legal guns affect criminals, that offcourse use illegall guns? Or really u want unarmed citizens .. and like in GB even Police? And in case of attack, u will throw a shoes at criminals or u stay calm like a sheep, and let your family get raped or robed? No thanks
Absolutely not! Law abiding citizens and legal firearms were not responsible for the terrorist attack at Bataclan. Albeit the head of Firearms Department of the Swedish Police, Peter Thorsell and his acolyte Lars Hänninger from the Department of Justice tried to pin this on legal firearms before the Judicial Committee of the Swedish Parliament after it was found out that Thorsell and Hänninger had ignored the Parliamentary mandate in the negotiations in GENVAL in Brussels. Lying before Parliament isn’t something exclusive for the Swedish civil servant activists that fail to differentiate between being a civil servant and being a politician however. Commissioner Biénkowska lied before the EU-Parliament, presenting statistics that included countries like Turkey, that is not even a member of the EU and that has been in a civil war with the PKK since 1983, in order to add upp high numbers of firearms related deaths in order to give support for the EU-Commissions draconian proposal of the Firearms Directive. In fact, some parts of the Directive even counterdicted the Convention of Human Rights regarding the right of property. Let’s be fair, why should valuble museum pieces made after 1880 be permanently ruined by deactivation only because Europe has failed miserably when it comes to questions like integration and islamism? Banning guns will in the long run solve nothing since criminals and terrorists don’t care about the law. And guess what, 99,99% of them do not apply for a permit and instead buy illegal smuggled weaponry. What connection does a Swedish moosehunter, who is very much part of our national cultural heritage and identity, have with an islamistic terrorist? None. Will banning his or her rifle make a difference? No. What next? Ban cars? Ban knives? Ban free thought?
I live in the country with the strongest anti gun laws in the EU[Rep of Ireland] and paradoxically the HIGHEST gun crime rate in the EU.It’s so bad that rival gang clans can disguise themselves as our Irish police ERU unit[SWAT] and shoot up a hotel trying to get their rivals in a boxing match weigh in with full auto AK47s. Banning guns doesnt work,and never has,unless you want to ban water pipe and plumbing fittings, anyone who wants to be will be forever armed.Also, if criminals can’t get guns, do you think they won’t be able to make pipe bombs from the commonly unavailable garden and kitchen sink chemicals?
Banning private gun ownership is a folly. Doesn’t curb crime (criminals arm illegally), destroys legal pastimes such as get shooting and leaves law abiding people defenseless.
A firearm is like a first aid kit or a fire extinguisher: saves lives while waiting for professional help to arrive.
No. Adult, law abiding and mentally healthy Europeans shoud be allowed to own firearms.
Also calling “semi-automatic” firearms “military style” is manipulation. Semi-automatic forearms are used for sporting purposes for over 100 years. If any firearms should be restricted to some extent from civilian possesion, those are fully-automatic firearms (machine gums). Still those should be allowed to own by verified collectors, experts, instructors and similar trusted persons in good standing.
Actually level of crime with leggaly iwned firearms is so low to some countries (for eg. Poland) do not even have separate statistics.
Also legal ownership is not a source of firearms for criminal purposes, as thos are registered and tracked. Crimilas and terrorists use smuggling and firearms procuref from state organisations like Police or military (by means of theft, fraud, lost equipment, etc).
Banning legal private possesion of fireatms will solve nothing and is form of group responsibiluy put on people whio did not do anything wrong. It is like comfiscating all trucks in Europe, because someone used stolen truck to kill people on Christmas market im Berlin
No. In my country gun laws are very strict, so only people having no criminal record can get them and only for sporting or hunting purposes. And by banning, only the people abiding the laws will be disarmed. Criminals by nature don’t uphold the law so they won’t be disarmed. It is better to stop illegal arms trade to people who have bad intentions.
Come to think of it, the way the question is formulated has a bias in it towards banning weapons. I personally think the question should also contain the purpose. Should they be banned for sporting use? For hunting? For self defence? For room decoration? For connection and study?
Murders commited everyday in my country with fists, knifes, blunt objects (inc. cars) and firearms smuggled across our borders – with tonnes of drug entering the EU every month, they surely can smuggle some guns & ammo from thirld world countries.
As a legal firearm owner I’m not giving up my “privilege” (I see it as a right, but the government thinks otherwise) to own firearms and defend myself just because some bad people on the loose. Oh, and I’m not paying more money or giving up semiautomatics or magazine capacities. Enough is enough, I’m tired of compromises and “reasonable gun control”, because it’s long become unreasonable.
So making guns illegal will take them off the street?
We should make heroin and meth illegal too!
Last year there was a case in Austria where a man opened fire with an AK variant at a concert and committed suicide afterwards.
He was banned from legally owning firearms. The rifle in question was traced to former Yugoslavia. The rifle was a Category A weapon and thus illegal. Yet, despite all this, he still had it.
Why? Because criminals do not follow laws.
The attackers in France had rifles that they did not buy from the legal market, they would not have been phased by a weapons ban.
Want to know how bans work?
Look at the US. Look at Chicago. Last year they had over 750 homicides. This year they are already way past 400. All that despite very strict gun control.
To put this into perspective, those are more homicides than in Germany, Austria and Switzerland combined, where gun laws are significantly laxer than in Chicago.
Bans do not work.
The UK has very strict anti gun laws. Those have not prevented the recent terror attacks. Those have also not prevented shooting deaths in the criminal underworld.
A criminal does not follow laws. Banning guns will not stop criminals from having them. That is a simple fact.
Now, let’s say we would ban guns, for who would the ban apply? What about law enforcement?
I get to carry a firearm on duty, but when I go off duty I’m banned from having one?
So you trust me with a firearm when I’m in uniform, but not when I’m off duty? That makes no sense.
Until Breivik the worst spree shooter in history was a South Korean police officer, who used his job as a means to get the weapons.
Last year here in Austria a police officer murdered his girlfriend and his child. One of the murders was committed with his duty sidearm.
Banning guns would not have prevented that double homicide either.
As for terrorists? They drive trucks into people. How will banning firearms stop that? Are we going to ban trucks next?
Should military-style semi-automatic weapons be completely banned?
With respect, that is a stupid question. The style or look of a firearm is irrelevant. It remains a semi-automatic weapon, no matter what it looks like. You still need to release every single shot individually. The function of the weapon is not influenced by its look.
Magazine size restrictions are also useless, as seen in California. It only affects law abiding citizens. Criminals still carry their 17+ or 30+ magazines because, yes, they are criminals, they do not follow laws.
By the way, the question says “weapon”, not rifle. That would include handguns, which a lot of people use for protection. Such a ban would disarm thousands of people and leave them at the mercy of criminals who are getting more brutal every year.
When seconds count the police is only minutes away.
No of course not, whats next to ban? Knives, car’s …
Of course NO.
the registered guns were never a problem, and will never be. the issues are the black markets where people sell guns and ammo with no possibility of tracing.. this laws only affect the law abiding citizens, like allways.
Did you know that the World’s fastest growing shooting sport has a World Championships going on in France right now?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UtCht0uw0Ug
No. Only law abiding citizens
will be disarmed. Outlaws by definition don’t respect laws and will keep their guns.
NO!
Nope. EU-level regulation should be completely dismantled. Local governments should relax their gun regulation and allow self-defence and CCW, especially in light of recent years’ events.
The EU Gun Ban Directive is a travesty and a shameful example of bad legislation.
No never. We need weapons.
Gun should not be banned. The reason for that is very simple. Please – think twice before you don’t agree.
1. There are terrorists attack in Europe
2. Politicians have no idea how to prevent terrorism. They can’t.
3. Politicians can’t admit, that they have no idea how to prevent terrorism.
4. Politicians “pretend” they found the solution – let’s ban guns over the Europe
My conclusion is: Politicians know, that disarming Europe will not stop terror, but they need some solution, any solution – even bad solution, because they only care for themselves. So that I say NO. I say to politicians “Stop pretending that you did something to save Europe from terrorism. You did absolutely nothing but you have the mouth full of useless words. I say No to the people who should not rule the Europe”
Whoever is pushing for this agenda will never win. Instead of banning guns, EU should consider giving us EU citizens the right to carry for self protection. This request is no nonsense when considering that those who we put in power are all protected by armed guards. So I ask myself, is their life more valuable than ours? All those who voted ‘yes’ answer it yourself.
Criminals and terrorists use illegal wepon… not registered legal. Legal wepon is the only way to protect against criminals and terrorists
NEVER! If EU will ban guns i will move my company and taxes outside EU. I’m enough of sponsoring idiotic and dangerous for my rights and safety ideas. Terrorists and criminals are smuggling firearms to EU. At least few times in last year police found great illegal firearms stores in EU (Spain, France) with thousands of rifles. If you wish to become an victim of slaughter -its your right, but if you deny rights to defend to other people -you are just collaborating with criminals and terrorists.
I am suspicious when authority, who should actually be servants to the public, want to disarm the public. People have the right to self-defence to keep these public servants who became self-appointed authority, in check in case they get out of control, violent and oppresive. And in case of civil war.
Guns should not be banned, especially when terrorist getting to Europe and killing people on the streets. We should have a way to defend our selfs against bad people. But if europe trying to ban guns they are working together not with people, but with criminals and terrorists. And how I would stay n europe when I know someone can just stab me with illegal knife say Allah Akbar run away and I dont have any option to stop him from killing me and another people? Then they will or dont say anything about it or say he/she was not a refugee and when they finaly get him they will dont do anything about he just release him afther week and give him 100 000 bucks for apologize. You killing your own people Merkel. How we can trust you? Go to your muslims and get killled, I dont care, But leave us alone! I’m going to texas anyway…
Wow great idea, but while you are at it let’s ban motor vehicles, all knives, any household chemicals lumps of wood and anything else the human race has contrived to kill another human! Seriously let’s ban breathing that would solve the problem.
The day our political leaders, who will happily ban everything while retaining their rights to have armed body guards, walk round without armed security is the day there may be and argument to exclude firearms from self defence
Guns banned, but protectors(cops) of legal criminals(politicians) get to own those right… :D
lmao i swear this retarded page seems like a trolling channel
No. Of Course no. Why? Well…. I have a brain. Legal gun owners are Dangerous ? Why ? Criminals and terrorists are. I have guns. You don’t want to have it ? Ok, so don’t buy it.
No, but probably they need more control.
The firearms used in every single terror attack were illegal weapons smuggled over open Schengen-borders, mainly from the Balkans. This has NOTHING at all to do with legal firearm owners. Does EUSSR ever get tired of propaganda?
The frauds and totalitarists in the Commission called me a murderer, a terrorist and/or enabler of those because I legally own firearms and engage in recreational sport shooting (because of that MEPs called me a war-lover). EU wants to expropriate me and millions of others for doing nothing wrong and abiding the law.
My whole family and close friends now vote for parties who want to dismantle the EU and I will never stop convincing people of this.
No. Only law abiding citizens will be disarmed. Outlaws by definition don’t respect laws and will keep their guns
NO I think if anything gun laws and self-defense should be relaxed. With the unprecedented terrorist attacks against the civillian population of Europe we need to give the regular peopel the right to possess these kind of guns so that they can be effective in defending against future attacks and also to lower crime int heir country of origin.
absolutly
No! The EU Needs to be banned.
Nonsense. At least in Italy, few own guns and when they do they are low-powered. Amongst my many friends and aquaintances, I know only one person who owns a rifle which is registered and a hand gun for target shooting.
NO and NEVER!
In last 100 years in Czech Republic / Czechoslovakia were only two periods when people were disarmed. 1st was nazi occupation and 2nd communist regime.
And now come EU and want us to give up our legaly possesed guns? I can smell something stinky here.
Western countries banned guns, it did not bring them security, in fact, the security is deteriorating there.
Do they admit they were wrong? No, they try to destroy examples which prove that more guns =/= more crime, like Czech Republic.
And they also blame us (lies) for supplying their criminals and terrorists with firearms. It’s all propaganda against those who prove that they were wring all along.
To those who are trying to justify it by claiming because criminals and terrorists have guns then so should the public…
…despite all the media attention, the actual chance of you as an individual being shot by a criminal or terrorist is infinitely small……..now release millions of legal guns onto the street in the hands of untrained and sometimes incompetent individuals and what do you think that will do to the chances of you being shot?…(I’ll give you a clue, it won’t reduce it)
That’s why in Europe you have to follow a course in order to get a firearms license. Just like for driving licenses. You know, it’s funny because if I tell people that I bought a gun they will panic, but if I tell them that I bought a super fast car they will be very enthusiastic, even though cars kill far more people than guns…
NO! People have the right to own guns…
islam be banned or guns i didnt read the question well
EU has high gun control. Are you afraid of rebelion?
More likely some sort of idiots with guns shooting innocent people. We DO NOT NEED guns in here.
Matt Czapliński Yeah because as the Bolshevik revolution and the rise of Nazism has shown we do not need to protect ourselves we have absolutely nothing to worry about.
Nazism is not on the rise, its media induced panic to control narrative and push policy. However Anarchist Comunists are using actual violence and terrorists are doing what they usually do. Guns are not the issue here anyway. Terrorists now use knives axes acid cars and bombs. In a free country free people have right to carry weapons and defend themselves. EU is already tyranny, but with rainbow wrapping
Marko Martinović I meant the rise of Nazism in the past I know that it is not on in the rise I just brought it up as an example of why gun ownership is needed.
Sorry. I misunderstood
Marko Martinović No problem mate.
we should support the anarchists
Anarchy is just rule of the strongest. Anarchy quickly evolves in to tyranny
Yes, Fanis Kastam, we are all aware how a bunch of people with some guns could have stopped the Nazi rise pre-WWII… Don’t you just adore Hollywood Generations?…
Yes ban weapons and legalize weed!
Débilité totale. C’est un sport olympique.
Switzerland has the lowest gun crime rate in the world, although 50% of population have guns. Europe is not a dangerous place, legally you can have a gun for sure, we are not criminals.
Only if you wish to give up freedom.
you’re not a European are you.
Stuart Tab Since he comes from the States he has more to say about gun ownership than most Europeans.
Having guns doesnt make someone more free in the old world.We are not muricans
Clearly, you’re not American. Freedom is priceless because it has a cost. Enjoy your life as much as they will let you!
Listen to the hypocrite sporting a Confederate flag pretending to know what Freedom is.
Are you delusional? Keep your antiquated thoughts to yourself.
No,not delusional,I’m free which, apparently, you can’t handle.
Ed Cocks , define “Freedom”
Making my own decisions, choices and tigress through life.
Making my own decisions, choices and progress through life.
Ed Cocks so, how does not having a gun jeopardizes that?
Having, or not having, a firearm is one of those decisions.
Seriously? Muslim terrorist are allowed but guns are banned :-( ?
Sure!
Depends. Will they be banned for police as well?
Criminals have guns but their victims do not.
Guns are well regulated in EU. There’s no need to ban them.
Good luck taking AK47’s out of the hands of Russians.
No. Europeans do not have such a pervasive cowboy culture/gun problem as Americans. This is not necessary.
Why is this the issue? The question should be, should we give the right of more to buy arms. It ‘s one right that will be taken from the ones who still have it. Why should one take means of self protect from law abiding citizens ? If criminals and terrorists want to use a gun, they don’t care about a series on the back of the gun, they buy it underground. No logic with taking the guns, gun control (not ok to be able to buy a rocket launcher) and very good pshycholgy tests when buying them is a different thing and is ok. With a good education you don t need to “take” guns from people. ;)
If gun ownership is restricted, access to everyone will be restricted also. Besides, does everyone born “criminal” or “terrorist”? And “very good Psy Tests”? Are they life-granted? All of the arguments that you’ve just stated are some of the arguments overused in the US and look at the mess they have in their own hands… Wishful thinking shouldn’t count as an argument…
No it won’t, most guns owned by criminals are not legal. I didn’t say everyone, I said criminal or terrorist as general, you know these categories exist in society at a certain level. ;) Yes, tests like this are good, to check the health of mind, it’s normal for many areas and many jobs that involve high responsability, owning a gun is a responsability. The arguments are valid and logical, in U.S. more is needed to be done with the education, that’s the issue and they are too permissive with what guns you can buy, so better gun control sales and different education. Other countries have these arguments in practice and it works, Switzerland is one example.
Francisc Leopold , actually, in the US, most guns owned by criminals are bought legally or stolen from legal owners. This is not an argument, this is a fact. Areas with a higher prevalence of guns have a higher prevalence of gun homicides and homicides in general.
In Australia, the gun ban resulted in an overall drop in gun-related violence.
Regarding Switzerland, there is no comparable case – there is a strict law regarding ammunition possession and storage. Also, it ‘s a country with a very balanced/leveled society, with minor social issues and lowers economic/social gaps. Still, they did have a mass shooting in their hands, some years ago.
Well, the fact that it’s easier to buy for everyone I don’t deny, but still most prefere non registred, easier for the crime, that’s a fact too. As I said in the previous, education and gun control is ideal, but don’t take the guns completely, as long as some have them, it’s not ok to forbid the others. Guns don’t kill people, people kill people. :-(
Of course yes… we don’t like to be like USA
Be like the USA in which way? I would google your response for facts. We have school shootings in Europe. We have mass murders committed with illegal guns. So, tell me again, we don’t want to be thw USA in which way?
Tony Muñiz I don’t like to be like USA in the way that many of their states allow that nearly everybody can buy different types of fire weapons and carry them at nearly any place, not for “sports” just for security reasons. Thanks to that easy weapons market and thanks to that love-weapons culture, they have one of the highest murder index due to fire weapons.
I will give you an example… An american citizen has 10 times more probabilities to be killed by a gun than other advanced countries.
Source: https://www.cbsnews.com/news/how-u-s-gun-deaths-compare-to-other-countries/
Tony, the scale is where the difference lies
Guns should be allowed under regulations. Kniwes etc. Islamist weaponary should be banned on streets.
What is “islamist weaponry”
Chay Carle special explosive belts for example
Let this “liberal lefty” help you out here
https://www.cbsnews.com/news/how-u-s-gun-deaths-compare-to-other-countries/
http://www.humanosphere.org/science/2016/06/visualizing-gun-deaths-comparing-u-s-rest-world/
People with guns are stupid
Did you tell it to an outlaw?
People with legal guns are free. Those who have no weapons, have nothing. They are slaves to corrupt governments.
All people with fins are stupid
No never
How many crimes are committed by legal guns and gun owners. How many murders are committed by illegal guns and criminals. You know the stats. Quit pushing the free gun zone propaganda. Banning guns does not stop crimes. What we need to ban are worthless corrupt politicians and those who profit from weapons trade and wars.
What’s an illegal gun? A legal one, that got stolen from a “legal owner”, with the serial number erased?
An ilegal gun can be so many things. It doesn’t have to be a once legal gun. AK47S used in Paris attacks is not sold in EU. You do the math.
Tony Muñiz the AK’s used in Paris were pre-destroyed guns (they are cut in half and sold as scrap). On the other hand, check Anders Breivik case. Also, the fact that they had to get their hands on non-European weapons, reinforces the Gun Ban argument.
Fuckin no
Banned? Why should they be banned? People might want to use them against, I dunno, politicians…
Or terorists
Sure, because citizens are all trained sharpshooters, eh?
Look at fucking Americans and say “No” If you can …..
NO GUNS IN EUROPE!!
I don’t expect high IQ backed arguments besides sentimental gibberish coming from the left, but the equation is actually pretty simple. Example: bad guys who didn’t acquire guns legally (and are aware guns are banned for normal citizens) broke into your house and rob you/rape your wife/abduct your children and you, a peace loving left leaning anti-gun citizen, have only the option to watch. Nice sight, eh?!
Stupid idiots who back mindless ideas. Classic left-wing idiot liberal ideology.
mmmmmmmmm, now I wonder which country has the most gun deaths?
what is the relevance to what i wrote?!
None. But when you have no arguments, you start talking about shit unrelated to the subject. The idea, you moron, is that people who want to do bad shit with weapons do not go to the Gun Store to buy a weapon and they don’t go through background checks to get a weapon. They buy that shit off the black market. And yeah, there are gonna be people who go through background checks at gun stores and then kill people wrongfully.
It’s the same with a seatbelt in a car, you dumb idiot. The seatbelt is supposed to save lives but there are cases when it actually kills you. Would you rather have no seatbelts in all cars ? Or fit cars with seatbelts knowing that a small number of people will die ? Or no seatbelts and many many more people die ? Small minded fucks.
Or go into a bar and shoot everybody. Sounds familiar ?
Esti deosebit de prost. Hai sa interzicem si camioanele si masinile pentru ca unii intra cu ele in multime, nu?
@ Alex Traian, ” I don’t expect high IQ backed arguments besides sentimental gibberish”. Don’t you just love the irony?…
But, please, let us indulge in more make-believe stories. Another pretty simple equation: imagine a guy, born in Norway (let’s call him “Anders B.” for the sake of the plot), who was an apparently law-abiding citizen, with high IQ but that it turned out to be a psychotic freak.
Now, this guy goes on to Prague, trying to obtain illegal weapons but it so just happened that he didn’t get one, so, what does he do? He returns to Norway and buys, legally (“legally” is the key word here), a semi-automatic Glock and a Ruger rifle. Oh, and he also built an artisanal bomb.
Later on, he ends up shooting, about 70 and some, people…
Just a story. Any resemblance to reality is just a sheer coincidence…
I swear this is the last reply I’m giving here. And how about this? Among these 70 that got shot on that fictional Norwegian island, 10 possesd guns and shot the psycho. Total different outcome. Same goes with Charlie Hebdo. Some nutjobs aquired AK 47s from the black market (near where I live you can have one for about 100$) and slaughtered those guys. Would that have been different if they had guns to defend themselves instead of being slaughtered like sheep? Clearly yes. The same with the scenario in the Bataclan theatre. In conclusion, for me gun ownership in a more and more radicalized Europe makes a lot of sense.
I dont have an issue with banning them altogether as long as their availability to criminals and mentally unstable ones stays as low as it is or drops lower.
No ban
If you are really that concerned with guns then you should go after black markets where criminals get theirs. Those that plan to commit a crime with a weapon won’t want to register it so it can be traced back to them. Therefore banning guns for law abiding citizens only makes them easier targets. Beside if politicians are so terrified of guns then you should disband your own protection. You can show to everybody that politicians don’t need protection. If you manage to survive then civilians might consider it. Just we all know that you want for all civilians to be defenceless so that they would need to depend on governments that put us all in danger in first place with your policies.
No Guns
Definitely YES !
No, with a new situation regarding illegal emigration, the gun gives peace of mind for national people! again NO, the gun rights must be kept , as the right to life!
Nope, nope and nope
Less guns, more heavily armed police
Obviously
Absolutely not. Just check what happend in UK, less guns does not mean less murders.
Maybe, just maybe, because there were a lot of them on the float already, no?…
Legal gun ownership is NOT a problem. Almost everyone has a gun in Switzerland, have you ever heard of gunshootings there? In Czech republic the laws are really permissive, and again no problems.
Aljoša Jarc , ammo ownership is heavily restricted there. And yes, they did have a mass shooting. Check your facts.
It is, so the gun itself is not the problem. They killed 84 people in Nice with a truck, should we ban trucks? Legal ownership of guns is not a problem, illegal possession is a problem. And you can’t stop criminals stopping legal owners….
Aljoša Jarc , countries with legal ownership laws have higher (way higher) gun related violence/crime, so, legal ownership is a problem.
And yes, you can stop criminals without arming the common citizen. By the way, legally acquired guns were involved in most of the mass shootings that took place in OECD countries (incidents terrorist non-related).
Way higher? Like? In Italy you can’t legalli possess automatic rifles, but mafia uses them! In Slovenia you can possess legally an AK-47 or similar (A category) and there were no mass shootings. Clearly you have to check the owners frequently. And if we are talking about homicides why not include all the people killed by stabbing? Should we ban knives too? What about the penalties? Here in Italy, not far from me one guy strangled his girlfriend (with hands, no guns involved!) and after less than one month he is not in prison but in house arrest. We can’t prevent homicides with that rules!
NO ! Europe needs a 2nd Amendement ! Like once had……
And a Trump! Europe needs that and a Trump! Oh, and also gonorrhea!
Socialists are already like a gonorrhea and things like that………….
We all should have guns, we need to defend ourselves! On the other hand, who’s not respecting the laws, should have harsh punishment.
Funny thing, because, last time I’ve checked, on your “neighborhood”, the “defend ourselves” is tending to ramp up to “Shoot innocent people who, by some very shady and personal criteria, you believe to be a threat, claiming that you’ve just Stand-Your-Ground”…
Hugo Rego I don’t know what you understand from democracy, but I think guns are necessary to defend yourself and your family, you property! Just look how are the things in Texas!
Doru Beldiman , yes and, funny fact, a state that has supported gun ownership and made it a culture. Also, a state with huge social/economic gaps, with voting laws leveraging social dissent, an economic crisis with heterogeneous impacts and a massive number of household guns. Two facts: i) higher number of guns available=higher number of crime/violence gun related, and; ii) nearly 80% of guns used in mass shootings were legally acquired.
No arguments, just facts.
Hugo Rego I think you have wrong information! What you can do if 2-3 guys come to your house ? Call 112? If they come and you have a gun, you can defend you and your family! If not, until the cops come,…you might be dead!
Doru Beldiman 2-3? If they come to your house, unless they give you a heads-up notice, you will not do a thing. What about 4-5? Or 6-7? What about, instead of buying guns, delivering the amount that would be spent on guns, ammo, practice, to the police forces, in order to reinforce teams and patrols? Or funding programs in problematic neighborhoods, in order to reduce delinquent-related criminality?
More guns equal higher probability of having those cases of assault with deadly weapons. Not the way around.
Hugo Rego Just your opinion! No country in the world can have enough cops to defend everybody, remember that! Well, it would be nice to have civilized people everywhere, but you are not safe in any country….maybe Monaco…..😃
Yeh ban guns, so that the only guns in Europe would be those owned by the bad guys!
And by the Police. And by the Military.
The police can’t be everywhere every time a bad guy decides to start shooting or stabbing people in London Paris….
Today you want to ban guns, and tomorrow it will be baguettes. When will this madness stop?
Of course as long as you realize it has NO effect on criminals, not a bit!
Orly thats why swiss took the ammo out of the houses. Check the facts please
YES ALL OVER THE WORLD
YESSSSSSSSSS.
Europeans without guns are slaves !
Ban Guns ,Be Slaves !
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Ofc. But i dont get it where can you own a gun and ammo? Sofar i know not even in swiss.
Of course! And all around the world!!!
Right to bear arms for the rightful citizens and with the correct background checks should be a no brainer
hell no !
do you think , if you ban guns, they will disappear and there will be no more bad guys with firearms ,and homicides , and killings right ??? wrong !
You are pesistently trying to disarm legaly and well trained owners , leave ppl without the right to protect themselves and their families !
Guns black market is growing rapidly , with russian,german ,french (etc ) illegal firearms be all over europe, and you re trying to convince me that banning LEGAL firearms will be a good act…?
What are you trying to accopmlish ?
a european union – militarized zone ?
a guardian angel -police state which the civilians will live under the fear ,unable to defend themselves.. ????
Ban the EU
Anthony Abbot EU = marxist soviet troisky
EU president, is elected the same way like the president of north korea was elected, elected by the deputys. people in north korea can vote in the deputys that represent them in the parlament, exaclty like EU. now days only south america is free from the sionism democracy.
Anthony Abbot maduro is legitime president till janurary 2019. the vote in venezuela is popular vote they elected maduro. in colombia they voted against peace with farcs, they voted for what they have. we in europe canot vote in election to elect the president of EU. junker say that would be risk cause populism would won right away.
Anthony Abbot i dont support maduro. i just saying he is legitime president till january 2019. in europe the mob dont have voice in bruxells, deputys make their voice claiming is in our name, thats why EU is dictature also. EU need to elect the president of EU by vote, that would help EU and the EU people. the mob ,the real mob would rule.
Anthony Abbot the europeans are under occupation sinc 1945. europeans canot have a saying. in 1989 russia ended occupation, the east-europe is free, but not for many time, nato made dammages right away in east-europe. the agenda of the askhenazi against europeans is also been done in the united states in america, civilians peoples american people are victimes of powerful evilness from the askhenazi. the usa will continue in perpertual wars till is take down, the askhenazis will have no mercy on usa people, usa people are victimes of this also. in europe we got our citys destroyed trying to defend from the antif hords. sinc 1945 antif rule in europe, thats why our main goal is to end the occupation of the usa army in europe. the radicals islamics would not be a problem if the agenda of occupation would not be against europeans. politicians in europe are chosen by the askhenazi master, macron,merkle are puppets of the askhenazi to please them, you know because we all nazis in europe so the occupation goes on. remeber the only enemy of europeans are the ones that keep occupation in europe. the USA is doomed for ever for crimes against europeans, even when occupation ends, the crimes done against us will never be forgoten. usa done the crimes for the askhenazis, trump allready found this situation he didnt created it, people of usa, take back usa in ur hands, and end occupation of europe to start win respect and simpaty.
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YES! Guns should be restricted to police and military forces use ONLY!
NO! We need weapons!
Before guns, violence, xenophobia, racism and morons should be banned in Europe. That would help a lot!
All guns should be banned
The Paris attackers didn’t get stopped despite Frances fairly strict gun control laws. Maybe you should ban trucks since they have become the favorite tool of terrorists to aim at a crowd and run over people.
Now, imagine what he could have done with a truck and gun in his hand! ⛄⛄⛄
Maybe you should educate yourself on French gun laws instead of demonstrating such gross ignorance. Incidentally, since the state of emergency, attackers have regularly used vehicles and knives. Wonder why?
Now imagine if you read the news and discover most of the murder by truck terrorists also had rifles, including automatic rifles which are illegal in the United States.
Olivers Are automatic Kalashnikovs legal for civilian use in France? Did the Paris attackers and others have Kalashnikovs? Any other stupid remarks?
Terrorists will always find a way to get guns, bombs, planes, tooth sticks, etc. Laws are not made for animals.
^^^ so you just proved why additional gun laws are superfluous. Non terrorists don’t use them much. Europe isn’t America to have a mass shooting epidemic, and terrorists won’t be deterred.
They already are …except for radical Muslims it seems. Somehow they get the guns
Except they aren’t and except they don’t, but thanks for making so evident what you’d actually want to use guns for….
Guns are banned. You need hard to get licence for them. I would use guns for self protection and protection of my family…. i would use anything and any sane person would
Oliver Hauss Are you saying the Bataclan massacre didn’t happen ?
To avide attacs on many people an automatic weapon that can fire series, with a range of several hundred meters, should not be widely available. Short range pistols with only a few shots should be available for personal defense.
ΝΟ
In another news:
> It’s confirmed: EU army will be created to defend EU interests.
Outlaws use guns from the black market how does another law for laws abiding citizen will change anything? This is stupid.
Yes, let the police have the guns.
why should i as a law abinding citizen be denied the right to defend my life.
give me one moral argument.
The islamists should be banned
Yes ! We are not Texas !
Yes ! We are not Texas !
Yes ! We are not Texas !
Yes ! We are not Texas !
Ban the guns and give them to the terrorists,.they will do tje rest
No, every citizen should have a military instruction & training time in his youth and several for update his life through, while keeping his gear and gun home in case his help is needed and he’s called for, just like in Switzerland, the lowest crime and gun incident rate country in the world.
Why should everyone being forced to have military training?
Also swiss soldiers aren’t allowed since 2007 to keep there military ammunition at home.
people with no criminal record, no strange friends and circles, psychiatrically checked background and professional training should be allowed to have guns for self defense
In Lithuania, for instance, gun control is already pretty good. Out of curiosity, I recently checked. Boy you sure have to jump through many hoops to obtain a firearm. And it’s probably the way it should be but I would be against an outright ban. Just put the rules in place to make sure that a person obtaining a gun is not mentally disturbed, doesn’t have violent tendencies or a criminal past (i.e. psychological checks, criminal record checks, etc.), obligatory courses to ensure they know how to use the gun properly.
yes, because felons do care about weapons ban and they would never purchase guns illegally in order to perform their criminal activities, right?
And trucks ?
Yes, let americans moroons kills each other.
Imagine what would have happened at Charlie Hebdo or Paris if there weren’t banned …oh ..wait … bad guys had guns, only honest people hadn’t …
yes, I think…
you should first ban al criminals including corrupted politicians, like Singapur
Ban criminals? What? I am pretty sure that it’s already illegal to be a criminal…
No, absolutely not, however there should be pretty thorough background checks, but no stupid gun limitations made by people who have absolutely no idea about firearms as that ruins a genuine hobby without solving anything
Yes, of course!
The first act of a dictatorship is to disarm the population of the ability to defend itself. 440 million people in Europe are facing the greatest dictatorship in history, the EU.
lol
Arthur Lamy Don’t laugh to hard comrade, the EU supported violence in Catalonia against EU citizens was the blue print for anyone that resists.
You’re just salty because Britain has no relevance in the world anymore.
The empire is gone since the suez crisis. Get over it.
Yes. Weapons should be only with authorities and army.
Agree
Both of you (and many others around here), don’t seem to be able to learn anything from the recent history of gun bans around the world. You are extremely naive to believe those so-called “authorities” can’t be used by corrupted and authoritarian regimes to fulfill their agendas.
Ask the 1.5 million Armenian Turks that were exterminated in 1911 after Turkey’s gun ban. Ask the 300.000 thousand Christians in Uganda that were killed the year after 1970’s gun ban. 1 million Tutsi in Rwanda were disarmed and exterminated in 1994. The Nazis established gun controls after rising to power, the same goes for the Communist Party in China that killed 50 million people at least, Guatemala, Cambodia, and the list goes on.
I don’t own guns nor I want to but a bit of history and common sense are enough to understand that banning whatever it is NEVER solves the problem. It’s usually part of it. But no, the fluffy lefties have other fantastic ideas… I have one too: read a history book.
I will explain you later all the cases you referred but now I have to go out.
Rubbish. So target shooters, collectors and sport shooters like biatlonists should be part of army?
Not smart, old man.
Weapons are to kill other humans. Why should extermination devices should be allowed? We can see the sad image of USA where all crazy people can have weapons and kill innocent people at random. More than 47 people had been murdered per day in US.
Apparently Europe should ban renting vehicles to all Muslim people! It is obvious that they don’t need guns to kill. So primitive!
Well unfortunately what is now done IS not enough. Guns are available on black market easily for everyone to get. This is the problem,which should be solved.
of course, only legal for criminals and terrorists, the Citizen can only contribute taxes.
The Portuguese dictatorship would not take away my licence.The article 5th of the directive 91/477/EEC did it. To hell with that euroshit.
Simple answer is no. The neoliberals should be faced down on this one.
Neo liberals? I think just Neo would do.
Don’t take my gins
In all seriousness, who needs guns? People who do business with other people who have guns?
Yes, only police must have fire weapons.
Have ever heard about hunters and target shooters?
No. Quite the opposite, legislation should be enacted to allow legal gun-owners in Europe to defend themselves and others when their lives are threatened.
Just consider all the knife and other cold weapon terrorist attacks that are happening. ONE person with a gun could prevent such tragedy and shoot the attacker on site before he has killed anyone.
And no, a ban won’t stop terrorists and other criminals from acquiring guns. They don’t give a damn about the law!
Pelo contrário,da maneira como isto está devia era de ser mais liberalizado
Guns must be controled, not forbiden. By control I mean scanning people who whish to have weapons and make sure they know how to handle them safely, allow only certain type of weapons (a normal citizen does not need an assault rifle or a long range high caliber sniper rifle) and have a registry of all weapons and its owners
Stupid question. The right to have guns is a own right of all citizens. Only the stat and is forces have that by “delegation”
:D Are they not banned already?
By banning guns, you only limit your lawful citizens capabilities…about terrorists, or criminals, you just raise the prices in the “black market”
Yes, the illegal ones!
Illeagal ones owners do not care if they are legal or not …
Is that so? Now tell it to all sociocommunist in europe!
Y e s !!!
Hell no. We should follow the american example and impkement an EU-wide right to keep and bear arms
Please yes, we don’t want to be like murica :'(
Please don’t raise a stupid debate that we don’t have, just keep them banned
Guns are not banned in Europe, each country is different = I have my weapons legally in a European country, check your local laws before commenting.
They are not banned. They are under licence.
Guns are not banned in Europe, each country is different – I have my weapons legally(which includes 2 pistols, 1 revolver, and 3 rifles) in a European country, check your local laws before commenting.
No. Dont be pathetich. We need more gunrights. Everyone free to chose for them.
RIGHT TO PROPERTY IS GRANTED ? THEN RIGHT TO HAVE AN ARM IS GRANTED but NOT FOR EUROPEANS that SLAVES ,THEY ARE DISARMED so they Are VICTIMS !
Never because criminals, terrorists and muslim predators always will have it allowed by european politicians to genocide us
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Europeans are SLAVES ,THEY ARE DISARMED so they Are VICTIMS !
Says a man living in a country that has mass shootings weekly. Funnily enough, in the UK we learned from Dunblane and Hungerford.
It’s a secondary issue. The primary issue being that Europe is civilised enough to ensure that its people have no reason to embrace the “every man for himself” values prevalent in the US. If social institutions get eroded, more people will find themselves in unfair situations and general trust in governance will erode, which will then run the risk of increase gun violence. If we pay attention to the causes of violence, which in my view is mostly extreme inequality, gun laws become for the most part redundant.
Of course, YES !
We copy every shitty thing from american !Americans have few good things one of them is gun culture !Why don’t we copy that? SO MORE GUN FREEDOM TO OUR NATIONS!
What is good in gun culture? kids killed?
Mi Gu Nope! 1.Home/self defense 2.hunting 3.sports
Rony Humis noooo
Lol why would that happen?
ofc. Or learn like the swiss learn, take away the ammo.
Great idea ! Especially in eastern european countries where a huge number of war weapons are disaminated.
Wtf are u talking about ? First the war was in 1 country which split into 4 (?) and second – in most (if not all) Eastern European countries you have to prove that u really need the gun to be allowed to own one. And guns are lot harder to own legally than in western Europe. Oh and btw last shootings with AK and grande launchers were in France. So pull you “western” head out of your “western” ass.
In the spite of the “wtf”, I agree with the fact that it is much easier to own a gun in western Europe as in eastern Europe. So please accept my apologise. On the other hand, I notice that you were writing about the better control of the sell of legal weapons, fact that I won’t discuss as I am sure you know what you are tlaking about, but the AK you mentionned were all coming from eastern Europe, and not all from ex-Yugoslavia. So ones again I have to beg your pardon as I my reaction didn’t actually concern the right topic, but much more the count and the confisctaion of illegal weapons.
Nikolas Humis Yeeeeees. At least in my house !
only natives europeans shuld be allowed to have guns in europe.
No, we need weapons!!!
People favor in gun ban in Europe are:
1. Mostly stupid people totally ignorant about gun usage in Europe. Probably have never heard about hunting or something like that.
2. People favor in totally control, who change others hobbies, for own ilusional safety
3. Envious people who failed gu licensing process…
Yes – a disarmed population is easy to control.
No – look the bright example of USA
Weapons = tools to kill… obviously they should be banned; do we want as in the US our kids killed in schools? To be killed by the first stupid person we cross in the street? If you agree with the population having guns, you really need some therapy…
Mi gu: They should not be banned. Because there are hunters and sports hooters who need guns to do their job. Also gun control in EU is effective and there is no need to ban guns for civilains.
Absolutely not. Gun violence, gun crime and terrorist attacks does not come from legal gun owners, but from criminals using black market, illegal guns. Legal gun ownership reduces and discourages crime, as experience and statistics clearly and invariably show, regardless of location in the world.
Yes because more guns = bigger % to use gun against someone to commit crime. USA is good example how country is ruined by guns. Look at Japan. Guns are banned in Japan and it has one of the lowest crime rate of the world. More guns = more paranoia = more shooting.
Guns should be banned
Yes,no guns at all!
Question idiote : policiers, militaires, sportifs (disciplines olympiques et mondiales)
We have the same legislation over here, but it’s kind of hard to become a sports shooter if you don’t have access to firearms. Kind of like trying to learn hockey or golf with no sticks/clubs.
Gun are hard to get but that do not stop criminals to obtain even RPG (hand held anti-tank rocket) and use it in populated arias http://www.bta.bg/en/c/DF/id/1198008
Yeah when?
Wrong. No mass Killing where guns are legal.
Yannick Herve complete BS.
Oy legal at firearm ranges and clubs
Total ban
So no guns for law abiding citizens but you can’t stop the criminals from holding guns??
Yes, sure, in my country firearm caused deaths of people not connected to organized crime are mostly from negligent use (i.e. kid found his father’s gun) or crimes of passion (i.e. ex military kills his wife). So ban will actually help law abiding citizens.
ban all the guns and let more muslim terrorists
No because people have a right to protect private property
Property? What, someone is going to steal your grass?
Gregory Cancryn what about an armed burglar in your home
Paneuropean right to keep and bear arms
Yes should be banned completely
Yes should be banned completely
Yes should be banned completely
America is an Example why every One shouldnt have Access to automatic machine guns. Guns should be banned.
No Guns..No Guns…work for United States of EUROPE.Including .USSR..
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Assault guns or higher caliber guns yes should be banned.. You don’t need a ak47 to go hunting..
But this means people should feel secure and Europe and their governments are steadily moving faster into a civil war than stability..
Nevertheless the normal restrictions should apply as the do at the moment..
Look at Serbia … Serbia is on the 2nd place in the world when it comes to gun ownership with 58.2 guns/100 citizens, while ur country Estonia is ranked 63th with 9.2 guns/100 citizens.
Serbia has a murder rate of 16.87/1mil inhabitans, while in Estonia the murder rate is 52.23/1mil inhabitans
http://www.nationmaster.com/country-info/compare/Estonia/Serbia/Crime
Yes let’s not become like the USA
No! The criminals and terirists don’t need permission- they bought them illegally- so who is restricted?!
The problem with the US is that they started off with close to no restrictions for weapon ownership which means that the country is now flooded with weapons and any attempt to regulate them now is a sisyphean task. Ownership for a select few groups of guns (semi-automatic, low capacity) within a tightly regulated framework of background and psychological checks as well as periodic qualification is in my opinion the best option. Criminals don’t care about restrictions and will find a way to get them or resort to brute force and blunt/sharp weapons to perpetrate violence. It doesn’t make sense to deny law-abiding people the opportunity to defend themselves and police can’t be everywhere at all times to protect you.
No. If somebody- the criminals – wants guns he can found it. The victims are without protection..
If everyone has guns, people die.
ΝΟ… we must protect ourselfes from the illegal immigrants and the muslims
Yeah and the greek gypsies too they’re becoming a pain
Georgi Ivanov Eh mister bitchboy ! did you meet lots of greek gypsies?
Yes, and EU countries should stop exporting them, as well.
Porquê? As pessoas têm o direito a defender-se.
Gun related deaths in Europe seem to be quite low compared to the rest of the world (see: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_firearm-related_death_rate) which suggest that the current legislation is approximately appropriate.
I am a gun owner and know quite a few other gun owners around Europe. I think I have never met a European gun owner that owns guns for the primary purpose of self defense.
Gun related deaths in Europe are very low compared to the rest of the world which suggests that the current legislation is appropriate.
I disagree ! We need more gun freedoms across the eu ! I like the american model for that subject
They are heavily regulated already
I am against any law that restricts freedom of individual. No ban!
I suggest we ban cars. They are very, very dangerous. So many dead per years, so many.
Stupid people in america say the EXACT SAME THING
And about Switzerland?
We ain’t American, so no emergency in gun laws. The gun legislation in italy is just perfect
I’d like to have it loosened a bit though.
Ban knives while you’re at it you fucking fascists
Maybe stricter laws, some can’t even spell right, how he’s going to handle a fire arm. That being said, if you WANT a gun, you can buy one, question of money and know-how.
If you believe the fact that in europe, a person who can’t spell can LEGALLY obtain a firearm, you are a moron. The gun laws in the EU are very strict and require the person inquiring about obtaining a firearm to pass several rigurous tests.
NO!
Bans have never worked and never will. Education is way more effective, but, unfortunately, the EC doesn’t really want a truly educated population
Tell that to Ireland, Scotland, Wales, England, Australia, Japan……
Japan has a great education system
Since you mentioned Australia, you should read the crime rate statistics after imposing a ban on firearms. It simply soared and even police officials that advocated for the ban are worried about it.
And the UK… well, the crime in the UK is not that low as one would expect after banning firearms…
Ban politicians and dirty cops
Absolutely not! The strictest gun laws (and gun bans) are usually a feature of totalitarian states and regimes. Is EU turning into one as well?
If we become fashists i am in
Жиен Сайяр Who’s “we”?
Wrong.
Yes . We are not Texas :D
In future white people should carry gun because of the refugees from the Arab Muslims taking shelter in this white dominated country .or else their life will be danger and over flooded with Muslim populations
I’d say, let the states decide. We don’t really have a gun problem in Europe and it’s not my place to tell the Swiss what to do with their laws – more so when they’re already working so well.
Should be allowed to all except Muslims!
I agree 100%
Disagree with a compleet ban people wo have a actual reason to have a gun like hunting should be able to have them. But it should be strictly regulated.
Yes, completelly!
When you ban guns for the normal people only criminals will have guns.Guns are already heavily restricted all over EU and you have terror attacks with automatic weapons that are banned for non military use.
Teodor, there are no normal people. Everyone has moods, and if you have free market for guns, even those people who din’t knew they are mentally ill can kill someone
They can without guns like we see. Ban cars, trucks, stones, knives…
Teodor Georgiev When guns are illegal they are a lot harder to buy and lots more expensive. This is pretty obvious when you see that the occasional crazy idiot in Europe resorts to knives and cars to hurt people. In the States, they go and rent a hotel room and fill it up with automatic rifles.
Don’t be silly, you are going to need the guns to fight off the barbarians at the gate. Ho Ho Ho Merry Christmas :) From a free Great Britain.
Free. lmao, from who/what!
Diarmaid O’Riordáin From the dictatorship that destroyed ‘your’ economy :)
http://www.irishexaminer.com/ireland/42-of-europes-banking-crisis-paid-by-ireland-219703.html
XD
No. We should ban islam instead.
The correct phrasing would be “Should only criminals carry guns?”
Why not ban islam instead? Way more dangerous then guns….
You mean the Wahabbists…
NO. We need more rights to bare arms, in fact.
It’s not weapon ownership that is the problem but the lack of value placed on human life. Even RTE will use clean terms like surgical strikes and neutralising targets.
So big trucks should be banned also???
SHOULD WE ALL BE ALLOWED GUNS IN EUR0PE LIKE IN THE USA ?
That would be almost perfect
Not all but most, yes…after a a medical exam, and training.. just like driving a car
No. I live in italy and i think gun control should be loosened.
Why ? This is not USA … LooL
Look how well it worked for Chicago. Hint: it didn’t
What’s the demographics of Chicago though?
Nechifor Roberto People.
europe is a continent including many nations.its country shall decide for itself.
ΤΙ ΕΙΠΕΣ ΤΩΡΑ;;;
σ’αρεσε.
No! Banning guns is the first step towards slavery. In a well developed democratic society only drugs should be banned, nothing else. If you ban something else it becomes communism.
The gun legislation for the right wing is similar with cannabis for the left wing !
Guns are virtually banned across europe already..it costs way to much and requires way to much paperwork to get a gun in an EU member right now. Any further regulation is just populist bullshit.
Europe has some of the highest rates of gun ownership in the world
I am sorry what? Citations???
Less guns, less troubles!
The correct answer is no, simple as
Si aquí en España ya no las tememos :v
Notice how the states with gun bans have the least amount of gun crimes?
Yes, they should. We don’t need guns in Europe. Never felt the need for them.
Oh thanks to merkelreich we need guns. Lot’s of em.
we are not crazy usa lovers guns…
YES WE ARE…….!
No, not at all
Self-defense is a fundamental right.
So, don’t be a poon tang. Learn to fight.
The criminals always have weapons. Forbidding them only affects the good people
first EU should ban global corruption, corrupted politicians and impunity, as Justice submition to political power
why should they?
Bullshit. This stupit law will restrict access to firearms for onest people. Thugs and terorists will always find ways to buy guns. For instance, in southern states in USA it is less likely to be robbed while you are inside the house, because every redneck keeps at least a firearm in his home.
The right to life is a fundamental right granted by God and guaranteed by the Constitutions.
If someone tries to take away the lives or lives of your loved ones or to rape your daughter, you can not stop him through the phone or to wait the police.
Do not be naive. If weapons are banned, they will not disappear.
Normal people must have weapons and should be trained to use them when necessary.
They must know the law, their rights, and they must be brave and decent citizens.
Definitely NO!
Yes, we need to be stupid and aggressive like americans…
“If you want to take a nation, disarm its citizens” Hitler
We need legal guns against terorroists, refugees, jihadists
Thanks to the 4th EU Reich and liberal politician idiots we need to prepare for urban warfare vs the “religion of peace”.
We need good justice ,work and good life can European citizens have.
we need more gun freedom AND more strict criteria for gun license but NO ban
The EC wants their citizens to be disarmed, they want as well to take away the small amount of weapons, so citizens become helpless against terrorism and criminals. It is increasingly common for criminals to beat the policemen who want to arrest them. The policemen can not protect themselves …(take a look @ YouTube). The gangsters became already very sassy/arrogant. And who suppose to protect the European citizens, their families and property.
PS. All law-abiding citizens must have the right to own weapons, and to protect themselves when necessary.
Big fat nope.
Yes, they should be banned. Europe is not Trumpland !
There is no such thing as too many guns anywhere..they last a long time..
Try taking mine & see how far you get :)
Sure they’ll put you in a museum ( with the gun)! So, in the future, the children will see how show one that even in third millennium lived like in cave.No culture, but guns?! 😂
Liz It’s strange how the left & SJW’s thinks they have the right to take peoples property. Until other people are taking property from them obviously. 8|
Yeah man, SJWs and their property siezing. They tried to take my heroin, but no sir, of course it’s mine and there are no circumstances in our law whatsoever to sieze any of my property! (sarcastic)
Martin
Fascinating lol
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ih1r9t7PLHI
Charming. I see you always have a good argument for your opinions.
Btw, do you even SELECT your videos and articles or you just passively take anything that, in your eyes, proves you right?
Martin If you had posted anything relevant I would have answered but instead you went a rant about your drug use which I have no absolutely interest in. 8|
MUH GUNS! Jokes aside, no. We have decent gun laws and culture in Europe.
No it can’t! There are such strict regulations against arms in many states within the EU and somehow it is so much easier these days to buy guns or even grenades
I do gun shooting. I have a license and I am not dangerous. My gun is safely stock after each use, and my munitions too. I am not dangerous for others people’s.
You are not dangerous as time you ar not mad ;) But If You became mad what could happen?
I will perhaps use battery acid or a car or a truck or a knife, who know? 😉
Yep, only criminals and jihadists should have them.
No. We are not going 100% slaves. Isn’t economic slaves enough??
Absolutely yes.
Ues and knifes and plastic strwas and porn and cars and bad people and drugs and everything will work out just fine
Arms are a utility for law. Not a civilian tool.
Yes, of course. I will detail latter.
Hello, we are still waiting your detail. 💐
To prevent ANY kind of violence, we should address the cause, not the means. So for now I’m for No.
No. I’ld welcome a mandatory gun ownership law requiring heads of households to own at least one firearm with ammunition, save for those who suffer a physical or mental disability which would prohibit them from using such a firearm, or who conscientiously oppose maintaining firearms as a result of beliefs or religious doctrine, or persons convicted of a felony. Like in Kennesaw, Georgia. And a stand-your-ground law or at least a castle doctrine across the EU.
NO! I have the right to defend muself.
YES OF COURSE. WE NEED LEGAL GUNS TO KILL ALL THE POLITICIANS ✊
Absolutely not! If anything, more EU states should not only give it’s citizens the right to bear arms, but also remove the stigma of owning a gun. In Greece we don’t even have the right to protect ourselves in the event of a home invasion, we have some of the strictest gun laws in Europe, but crime still exists. Even though any number of victims is too big, gun crime in the US has been steadily going down for 2 decades (https://www.justice.gov/usao/dc/dcstoptrafficking/content/homicide/weapons.cfm). If we have an educated enough populace on the topic, much like Switzerland does where 1 in 2 swiss citizens owns a firearm we would probably be better off in terms of public safety.
No, reduce restrictions and offer courses on responsible firearm use and ownership.
Yes! Why is this even a debate????
Absolutely NO!
no. They are already non existent. Only police and orangutans gendarmes hold them!
No
We do not wish to be sitting duck debt slaves oppressed by government. Government needs to be replaced by the new word ‘Adminstration’. The Administration’s responsibility is to ensure all humanities well being and safety with the peoples collective tax contributions.
Most people voting yes have no idea about gun control in Europe. They just scared or cucked. So their oppinion is based on feelings and is not relevant.
Sorry.
Absolutely not. We see what such measures lead to. On the contrary, sanity must prevale and the bans should be dropped.
No.
Yes, of course.
I’m sure if a criminal tried to rob you with a gun you can stop him by saying “hey, that’s illegal!” and he’ll apologise and go turn it in to the police station
Władysław – everybody dreams themselves a hero , the economy , the police , mental health are more important to crime incident , what would happen is that probably bad guys would buy guns and we would see a huge rise in fatal crime.and a lot of fatal home accidents.
Yes, yes, yes
Sure. Then only criminals will use them :v
Honk Honk 🤡
Only for criminals. Not for crime-less citizens. How else are we going to protect ourselves against Macron (and Merkel) EU 4th reich army?
Rob – silly
Only for criminals, not for law abiding citizens.
No. Any free, law-abiding citizen should have the right to bear arms.
Go to america, see how well that works.
Gregory – It works pretty well, specifically in the states with very liberal gun laws. Most shootings and violent crime happen exactly in states where guns are strictly regulated and citizens don’t have adequate legal means to defend themselves from violent attacks. Yes, the police will probably catch the criminals afterwards, but it’s better if the criminals don’t attack and harm you at all.
Любомир – any stats to support that statement!?!?
Yes,there are.
this is homicide rate by state , not necessarily gun related .not correlated with economy or education levels ;).
So? The fact is that banning guns doesn’t mean less violent crime. The statistics are overwhelming on that.
1.because the guns are already out there , you need to recover them first , 2. again i don;’t see a corelation in that source with the gun control laws… even more by my knowledge the southern and central states are pro-gun ownership so … actually my point is confirmed by your link!
Yes and immediately
Fortunately, you Brits are out soon, and your vote matters no more.
I’m Irish
Yes, I know what a gun on the hands of a drunk non criminal can do…. Unless we want to be like the US, with mass shootings everyday and thousands killed by gun violence we have to bann them, all of them.
Ofcourse not.
Yes! Definitely
Of course
Yes, a strong YES, loud and clear!
All these guns and killing machines have a source. It’s a huge market all around the world. Banned them at first..put a limit, control them ,otherwise they will always find a way to sell their deathly products.
No.
Yes, they are a security risk for the public and create the possibility for shootout crises as in the US. The only persons who should have the right to bear arms are the police and the army.
totally agree!
Only politicians and their lapdogs should have a right to carry a gun. And the privilege of several bodyguards and armored cars. Paid by the people. And the terrorists invited by the politicians should also carry guns as they are not bothered by laws. The ordinary people do not need a means to defend their lives and the lives of their families.
Go to america. See how well that works when TEACHERS ARE CARRYING GUNS.
Gregory – Car accidents also happen. Let’s ban all cars then.
Любомир – guns are intented to kill , not to defend! why not buy kevlar vests then???
YES, YES and again YES!
I don’t need my neighbors carrying a gun around. WTF is wrong with people?
If a country calls itself developed, its citizens should not feel the need to carry a gun.
If you do, let me inform you, that you live in a s***hole.
I guess Switzerland and USA are ***holes then.
Любомир, For most people the EU is a much better place to live because of our healthcare and education alone.
And when you take into account that any idiot can shoot you, yes the Majestic Glorious USA is a s***hole.
Not even going to start about the orange monkey baby that is “running” it now.
So yeah, the EU is better than the US where it counts.
Switzerland is a rare exception to the rule.
Peter – Healthcare and education systems have nothing to do with the issue in question.
Любомир ofcourse they do.
When all of your citizen have an education and healthcare, crime is much lower thus reducing the need for people to own guns.
There are less desperate people who became broke because of healthcare bills, same goes for student loans, not to mention people are able to find better jobs and be happier.
Most people do crime because they are forced because of the enviroment they are brought up in.
Peter – You are mistaking correlation with causation. But even so, how is this an argument to limit people’s freedom and rights? I can use your own argument here against your idea. Since we are so well educated and peaceful in Europe, aren’t we reliable and trustworthy enough to have the right to own and bear arms? Who and why would want to withhold this freedom from us, and for what benefit?
Любомир owning a gun is not freedom or a right. It is a privilege for the police and other law enforcement agencies who train for years to carry one.
I and most other Europeans thankfully agree.
The fact is the countries to allow guns have more homicides, murders, and accidents.
It is also interesting, how countries that have no-gun policies are also the safest ones to live in.
Peter – It should be a right, free citizens should have the right to own adequate means of self-defense. It’s also not a privilege for the police, it’s a tool of their trade. They need to be able to enforce the law, even with deadly force when necessary and appropriate. And the EU has a great opportunity to make a balanced and well-constructed legislation for gun rights for all it’s citizens. A legislation that is better than the one in the USA (which is far from perfect, by all means).
Not to mention we can borrow a ton of ideas on gun rights and regulation from the Swiss.
Любомир, but the majority of us don’t want guns. I hate guns but I would get one if I know the majority of the country has one.
The whole point of living in a safe country is that you don’t have to worry about your own “defense”.
Любомир – Switzerland is a boutique country , not everything can be applied to 400+ millions in EU.
If you don’t want a gun, then don’t get one. No one is forcing you to do it. But don’t try to ban guns for the other people who want to own them.
I fully agree, I am not saying to copy and paste their system. I am just saying we can use some of their ideas, and their experience and practice, which is extensive, because they have had their system of regulations and laws in place for a very long time.
you somehow become forced by the conditions if everybody buys a gun , and this is what we are trying to avoid.
Why do you think so? No one is forcing you to do anything. It’s an entirely free choice. All I am saying is that people should have the right to have this choice.
Why do you think I care what you want or anyone else for that matter?
In almost all the countries that have guns in the general population, they have serious problems just because of guns!
Our countries are safe, our crime rates are low, we have good and fully equipped law enforcement agencies and we have a good justice system.
Again…I and the majority of people do not care that you need a gun because it makes you feel safe.
Yes of course
No, ofc not.
This question has many answers and not easy ones…..
The problem is not the gun a law abiding fellow may buy but the rifle or machine a criminal can use. Reinforce Law and Order and harder sentences for the offenders.
No, in Cyprus we have a Turkish occupation. We have to protect ourselves.
No, but socialists should be banned.
yes!!!! let’s not become USA
You don’t want to be rich and prosperous?
Yes
Yes!
Europe, not Africa.
lmao 😂, for whatever reason I’ve a EU passport, so go ridicule yourself
No, the thiefs and criminals will always find a way to arm themself, and yoy have the right to protect yoyrself and your family.
Yes yes and yes !
Europe, not the Middle East.
I don’t listen to cockroaches.
absolutly
“Yes” say the cowards
Then they expect the police and the state to do everything for them, then they become weaklings.
When the state eventually fails, they blame capitalism and become stupid.
when people feel they dont need guns they will leave them at home.
No they should be legalized
What guns? I dont understand this question.
Don’t know anyone with a gun
How about banning illegal guns? :D Anf the people who have them.
Not in a million years
I don’t know anyone who owns a gun.
Not in a million years.
I don’t know anyone who owns a gun.
Yes!
This way of thinking it the reason that their are so many killings in the USA. Besides its proven that criminality rises when server gun laws are applied. Guns will be left at home when people feel they dont need them,
No, but well regulated.
Ask the people of Hong Kong, you clueless naive westerners….
I am more worried about getting stabbed than shot.
The Communists disarmed Eastern Europe – wonder why? Meanwhile, back in Venezuela they disarmed the population and we can see what a utopia that is.