Most European countries have been reluctant to take refugees. Some, however, have been actively encouraging them to come. For example, unlike several EU members, the Portuguese government has actually offered to take many more refugees than it was asked to. Yet the refugees themselves seem unenthusiastic; Portugal has offered to host 10,000, but by May 2016 had only taken in a couple of hundred (though more have arrived since then).
In order to take a closer look at the local impact of the refugee crisis, we launched our ‘Cities & Refugees‘ project – aimed at fostering a Europe-wide dialogue between citizens, refugees and asylum seekers, NGOs, politicians, and European leaders. The emphasis will be on connecting local, everyday life at the city level to decisions made in Brussels and national capitals.
This week we’re looking at Lisbon, Portugal. Few refugees seem keen to settle in Portugal, and part of the reason might be that joblessness remains high: 12.3% in 2016. Compare that to 4.3% in Germany, and it’s clear that finding work will be easier in Deutschland. Is it wrong for refugees to prefer to go to countries which have stronger economies?
Curious to know more about refugee redistribution? We’ve put together some facts and figures in the infographic below (click for a bigger version).
We had a comment from Hans, who says he’s seen lots of media reports that refugees don’t want to go to countries like Portugal. They want to go to countries with lots of jobs and with generous welfare systems, like Germany and Sweden. Is that true?
To get a reaction, we took Hans’ comment to Marina Watson Pelaez, a freelance journalist working in Lisbon and London. What would she say?
Yes, that’s true, because most refugees have a set plan and that is to go to a rich country like Germany, where there are higher hopes of getting a job and perhaps more economic support. Many refugees have never heard of Portugal, and those who have know that the country is undergoing economic difficulties. They also understandably want to go to countries where they know people or have family members.
For another reaction, we also took Hans’ comment to Paul Ames, a freelance journalist who has written in Politico about the reluctance of refugees to come to Portugal. How would he respond?
Estimates vary, but so far there are suspected to be around 1,100 refugees here, which is way below the 10,000 that the Portuguese government has offered to take in. Once again, the numbers are a little bit unsure, but there are reports saying that of those who have come in, around 200 have left because they don’t want to stay here.
There are a number of reasons for this. Obviously, Portugal doesn’t have the same kind of job market that Germany has, for example. A lot of refugees who come here don’t speak Portuguese. It’s not so easy for them to get jobs…
We also had a comment from Nelson, asking for more refugees to come to Portugal, because they still believe in solidarity and have hope. But is Portugal being so generous precisely because it knows that so few refugees will actually take it up on its offer? We put this (slightly cynical) question to Marina Watson Pelaez. What would she say?
Finally, how would Paul Ames answer this question?
Having said that, the support for the open door policy is pretty much across the board on the political spectrum here. It goes from the far-left parties to conservative parties, where the Catholic church is quite influential – and the church has also had a very open policy on bringing refugees in. So, it’s been quite widespread. To what extent the offer was made with the knowledge that not so many people would be coming here, it’s difficult to say. But the government is continuing to bring in refugees. More have been coming, as I’ve said, there’s about 1,100 here at the moment, and they have generally been making a strong effort – not just from the government, also I think from civil society, the media, and church organisations – to welcome and integrate the refugees…
Is it wrong for refugees to want to go where jobs are? Why have so few refugees gone to countries like Portugal? And can the Portuguese government afford to be very generous on refugees, knowing that few will accept its offer? Or is it a genuine, principled stance the country is taking? Let us know your thoughts and comments in the form below and we’ll take them to policymakers and experts for their reactions!
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Of couse not! But then they are no longer refugees. Greece has no jobs for instance, refugees did everything to get there safe. They were refugees up to that point. In there some were deported, others helped. Those helped want to go to Germany. They became immigrantes. Their main goal is no longer safety but money. This is why I think the refugee status should be “temporary”. Once the treat in your country is gone, they are gone as well. Of couse there would have to be exceptions, like life long threats, elderly people, etc. PS: Unlike what the woman said, Portugal does not have a very pro-EU attitude. It is one of the countries with highest eurocepticism rate in the EU and it’s current government is supported by not 1 but 3 anti-euro and anti-eu parties. One of them is right now doing a campaign to leave the EU. Let’s cut the propaganda crap shall we?
12/05/2017 Sandra Batista, Coordinator of the Office of Events, Communications, and Information at the Portuguese government’s High Commission for Migration, has responded to this comment.
Can u provide evidence of this supposed higher proportion of Portuguese euroceptics?
I don’t think it can work just imagine a refuge child growing up like an European and when is a teenager or adult been deported to a country that doesn’t know or even worse doesn’t see as his own country!! Just imagine all the Europeans how left their countries during WWII being deported from united states or Australia back to post WWII Europe. . does it makes you any sense? ?
https://www.google.pt/amp/www.dn.pt/dossiers/tv-e-media/revistas-de-imprensa/noticias/interior/amp/ha-cada-vez-mais-euroceticos-em-portugal-3428836.html
Yes, it does make sense. Obviouly not 3 generations after. I’m talking about first generations and their dependents.
Why does it have to be the EU which has to take the burden of refugees and that of forced economic migration? There are far more richer countries which can provide shelter and assistance to refugees and jobs to migrants. Some of these countries share similar language, culture, religion and way of life so it would be easier for them to integrate without disstabilizing the host country’s society.
Come on, be serious! An article of opinion of 4 years ago, right in the beginning of the austerity measures! Even I was an euroceptic back then!
That is not an opinion article, that is actual data and us eurocepticis only increased. Finally, being that the EU has changed nothing in it’s ways, if then you were euroceptic andnow you are not, im sorry to tell you but you’re what is called an “useful fool”. Now, the EC is paying for a campaign against eurocepticism in Portugal. You do no pay for a campaign to be made in a place that is already in favour of what you’re capaigning for. The EC is paying for that because the portuguese have had enough with the EU as the stats clearly show. https://www.publico.pt/2017/03/29/politica/noticia/contra-o-eurocepticismo-marchar-marchar-1766831
Yeah, I see, so u say must believe, because u say so… Very worthy info based on bs newspapers of 4 years ago! And that eurocepticism is increasing, got that from where? The cereal box? Keep this bullshit to yourself, and if wanting to spread the “word” do us all a favor and get yourself better informed!
Do u even read what u post? What I get from your enlightened article is that the EU is campaigning for the available programs this year! Regarding the eurocepticism issue, what I only see is that Portugal is among the countries in the EU with ambivalent opinionated citizens regarding the European project! Even in this group, Portugal is the one with less ambivalent views regarding the EU! Get ur facts straight and do your homework!
Do you read them or you just don’t understand portuguese? Do you even saw this is about only 14 countries? The 14 with the highest numbers? You really need to step up lad. Read!
As a portuguese citizen it feels like saving a drowning person from a river only to be told mid-rescue that we’re rescuing them to the “wrong margin”…
12/05/2017 Sandra Batista, Coordinator of the Office of Events, Communications, and Information at the Portuguese government’s High Commission for Migration, has responded to this comment.
how about spreading jobs all over europe. there is enough work to do. we just need to pay it. making europe accessible for all for example.
Work? Where? 8.5% unemployment rate average for EU… way over 15% for the youth, as in countries like Greece and Spain it is 50% for Croatia and Italy over 40% – right – there is work everywhere – especially for unskilled workers like most of the migrants…
And what will you do when thousands of million of people from the third world come to Europe? Thinking before writing would be a good idea.
no one wants to stay in a country, where he wont get a job, has no cultural ties and has the population against them. Still many people assume that its ok for them to stay in other countries. In the same time however, they actively work against refugees coming to that country. That is called double standard.
finally some common sense in these comment sections
this whole debate is full of these standards. When the people live in collective housing without right to work it is assumed they abuse the social system. If they move further to another country it is assumed they were never real refugees and want even more abuse.
It’s a really “blame game ” here in Greece statistics show that most refugees want to leave the country because of the high rate of unemployment that doesn’t allow them to” blend in ” on the same time politicians especially from the far right are using the refuge crisis to “polarize the political atmosphere ” and gain more support even with lies and propaganda slogans like ” it’s an invasion to convert as all to Islam ” or even more ridiculous staff like ” they going to chop heads in the middle of the street “..it’s sad but it seems that political parties all over the continent are using peoples fears to gain more and more power
Παυλος Χαραλαμπους on the other hand do we have germany showing the “humanitarian face” by not closing the borders. In reality it always followed the strategy that as far away the refugees are, the better. Did work during Cold War because the Iron Curtain let just few refugees through and also worked in the early years of the Dublin System. But when it doesnt work everyone is crying. Its like with the Euro. Europe is divided and everyone is happy to put that problem on the shoulders of refugees
The northern European politicians are a little bit hypocritical on the one hand they want to show a ” humanitarian face” but on the other hand they doesn’t want to share the” burden ” with the south and this is what allows to far right to get more support- something that will bring more trouble in the future
Sorry if I use to much Greek slugg i can’t help myself thinking in Greek ?
Sorry if I use to much Greek slugg i can’t help myself thinking in Greek 😉
agreed. Germany just calls for burden sharing because their own situation. At least the ECJ ruled that no refugee can be sent back to Greece. But some time ago the German Minister of Interiour stated, that they want to start deporting again, because “Greece has to learn the lesson”
What lesson? It doesn’t makes any sense. .
that you should make your shelters humane after the court ruled they were not in 2011. He basically said that Greece does it on purpose. Of course he didnt say it that drastically… But it shows that not the refugees well being is the main concern in Europe but blame games. I think he has somehow a point but as you already stated is greece already not able to deal with the situation now. A situation that was created not mainly by Greece.
The shelters around Athens are ok but those on the islands. ..are overcrowded. .but what i don’t understand is how it helps the refugees being sent back to those camps..it’s more like an excuse to send the away. .
Παυλος Χαραλαμπους of course it doesnt help them. they are just intruments in political games
but why cross thousands of miles when there are stable countries nearby? (and also muslim countries so they’ll adapt faster)
Most of this “stable countries” rely on oil incomes and they pay their citizens to do nothing. They might be stable bit they don’t have well developed economies which need a lot of work forces.
do you actually think the refugees coming to Europe are the majority? maybe watch little bit further and you will find the missing millions staying in muslim countries. Examples are Libanon, Jordan, Turkey…
Saudi Arabia is the biggest one at fault here. The richest, but most selfish and inhumane country in the region. EU should impose sanctions on Saudi Arabia for closing its borders to refugees, rather than trying to force the Czech Republic or Slovenia to take illegal Muslim migrants. Saudi Arabia has a lot of responsibility for the mess in the Middle East because it is the main sponsor of terrorism there and a perpetrator of crimes against humanity in Yemen. That butcher, the Saudi king, has been let loose for too long! USA and UK are happily taking billions of dollars from him in exchange for weapons that are then used for genocide in Yemen. A sickening trade of human lives and EU supports it! Shameful and disgusting!
Jobs? You are so funny ….
No however most don’t want jobs
Problem is we don’t really have jobs for ourselves… so how can we possibly give a chance for a better life to others?
Would be good if the refugees would want jobs…unfortunately, not all are here to work!
There’s an excellent article in Die Welt this week about the relationship between migration background and unemployment, and social challenges in Germany. Real data, not opinions.
https://www.welt.de/wirtschaft/article163753103/Diese-Zahlen-offenbaren-das-Ausmass-der-Fluechtlingskrise.html
It’s spelled “Economic migrants”…
It’s only natural to do so..it’s simple as this if they can’t find a job they can’t have a normal life..at the end of the day is what they looking for…
Of couse not! But then they are no longer refugees. Greece has no jobs for instance, refugees did everything to get there safe. They were refugees up to that point. In there some were deported, others helped. Those helped want to go to Germany. They became immigrants. Their main goal is no longer safety but money. This is why I think the refugee status should be “temporary”. Once the threat in their country is gone, they are gone as well. Of couse there would have to be exceptions, like life long threats, elderly people, etc. PS: Unlike what the woman said, Portugal does not have a very pro-EU attitude. It is one of the countries with highest eurocepticism rate in the EU and it’s current government is supported by not 1 but 3 anti-euro and anti-eu parties. One of them is right now doing a campaign to leave the EU. Let’s cut the propaganda crap shall we?
Yes, it does make sense. Obviously not 3 generations after. I’m talking about first generations and their dependents. Being temporary would help to avoid economic migrants from using the refugee status because they would know that there is the possibility of being sent back.
That is not an opinion article, you clearly did not read the article as it is about an inquiry and thus it is about statistical facts, not an opinion. Finally, being that the EU has changed nothing in it’s ways, if then you were euroceptic and now you are not, im sorry to tell you but you’re what is called an “useful tool”. Now, the EC is paying for a campaign against eurocepticism in Portugal. You do no pay for a campaign to be made in a place that is already in favour of what you’re capaigning for. The EC is paying for that because the portuguese have had enough with the EU as the stats have clearly shown. PS: Austerity started in 2010 and Troika came in 2011, so, not sure where you got that 2013 was the “biginning”. Are you sure you live in Portugal? https://www.publico.pt/2017/03/29/politica/noticia/contra-o-eurocepticismo-marchar-marchar-1766831
Do you read them or you just don’t understand portuguese? The EC (not the EU), is doing a pro-EU campaign telling what it does for its citizens, not a campaign to show it’s programmes. The intended result is to deminish eurocepticism. Now, I fail to see how can you be such a bad intepreter. Do you even saw this is about only 14 countries, not 28? The 14 with the highest numbers? You really need to step up lad. Read! Fact is ONLY 18% of the portuguese is pro-EU, 25% is “ambivalent” and 57% were unacounted for. That means in those 57% are included ALL the anti-EU portuguese. The only certain thing you have is that pro-EU portuguese are a small minority. A clear sign the women in this article and you are off reality. Now, do yourself a favour and look at the current government and outside your window. Wait, you do not live in Portugal and that is why you can’t see the anti-EU cards made by BE and PCP…
Ahahahah you really rock! So much stupidity can survive only in EU :)
It is supposed that the refugees are been forced by war or persecution to leave their countries… the one who go where the job is are “Economical migrants” as Vytautas Vėžys said.
And no it is not wrong, but there should be strict rules who and how to do it! It is really a time to understand that simple difference and then probably take some actions to put everything in order!
One question is economic migration another one is supposed or real refugees.
Both by the way MUST respect the people and the culture of the country they are in.
So… no burqa, no inslavement of women, no islamic laws, no rape gangs. If you want those thing you can go back to the fucking place you came from.
We live in a great civilization, you don’t. Respect it or get the hell out.
If I decide to move to a country with a culture different from mine i respect and try to adopt those values maintaing mine when possible.
If i don’t like those value i can always change country you know?
Well ur nice
No, it is not wrong for refugees to want to go where jobs are, but neither is it wrong for countries to restrict access to their labour markets and territories to their citizens. Personally, I want a great many things with very good reasons, but that doesn’t imply that I can have them.
Considering the unemployment stats among young people in Spain and other spots it is disgraceful that the EU wilfully imports more and cheap labour. The German government would have a much better educated workforce and zero assimilation issues if they actively recruited in European unemployment hotspots. The EU parliament should force the German government to address this importation of labour while not sticking to the Dublin protocols which is supposed to regulate this issue.
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If they are moving for work they are not refugees, they are financial migrants.
I think this is correct and this is how refugees they should allocating across Europe based on each country’s unemployment rates
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What of the people of those countries do not want the migrants, would you force them to take them ?
if they join the EU they should comply according to their EU membership obligations since EU made special arangements within non EU countries they accepting refugees
EU and Greece should make an arrangement with Saudi Arabia and send the migrants there, not force smaller EU countries to take them. They are only refugees in the countries bordering the conflict. Being a refugee doesn’t mean free and unrestricted travel to any country in the world. EU treaties did not include taking in illegal migrants, so it is not an EU membership obligation. Greece and Germany have voluntarily decided to accept them, rather than returning them, so they cannot exploit EU institutions just to force their own decision on the other members.
On unemployment rate?…..I take it you are joking.. so you think all these “refugees” are going to be employable?…and don’t you think a countries population density and infrastructure have anything to do with the amount of additional people it can handle?
……. good luck Malta….I think you are about to sink..
Wrong question and a fake problem.the scam of the so called migrant must stop
piena occupazione che assicuri la dignità e la libertà degli esseri umani .. La UE sta facendo questo ? Se non lo fa non ha senso che continui ad esistere , la disocupazione è ritenuta un crimine verso l’umanità . Full employment to ensure the dignity and freedom of human beings. Is the EU doing this? If it does not make sense that it continues to exist, disocupation is considered to be a crime against humanity
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As a portuguese citizen it feels like saving a drowning person from a river only to be told mid-rescue that we’re rescuing them to the “wrong margin”…
Who is checking who amongst these mostly young unknowwn males may be a jihadist with blood on their hands? It’s claimed thousands of hen have fled Syria and entered … Europe under the refugee status, end the war in Syria and stop his Trojan horse being being used to enter Europe.
So well said!
Please, do not equate “running from” (war) with “running to” (jobs).
they go where benefits are high
Which is why the UK has had to shut the door to high numbers of refugees and immigrants. (Note they spend more on helping refugees in their home countries than any other EU Country.)
DUBAI for instance or Saudi Arabia???
No it’s not wrong. That just means they are not refugees but economic migrants. Because the definition of a refugee is someone who flees their country because of war not because of unemployment.
Running from war * ..Running to where jobs are * .. Running to social , welfare benefits etc .. This all is not so simple , mostly cuz a big pat of migrants , imigrants simply use refugee crisis to ilegaly come to EU . There is no control for this sort of thing and I think .. somone who runs from war is not same from someone who illegal use crisis fr no work * benefits. And on end.. cuz there are no controls who suffers at most ? .. Ofc rel refugees .. end .
It’s rather stupid to overlook cultural aspect of the problem. And soon many jobs will be taken anyway by technological progress, so where is the problem?
Bruno Marques
How about job sharing all over Europe for the unemployed citizens first? Then assisting refugees as refugees.
Economical migrants / war refugees
That is why a GMI would appease everyone. The homeless, the unemployed, the refugees, the flocking to rich countries. A more social EU with an equal GMI, equal benefits and equal minimum wage is required. The rich countries can simply offer higher wages to attract more employees. I know Germany does as people have told me a cleaner gets €2,000 a month and that is what I earned at my first job as a web designer in central London by a big company. Then Germany fleeces that money back in high rents but we can’t fix everything :)
To do this the wealthier countries would have to cut benefits. Their Govts would never get elected on that. To even it out at the level of higher paying countries would bankrupt the EU. The EU is a dream unlikely to come true.
Refugees seek refuge. Those who want to go where jobs are, are economic migrants. However, there are not enough jobs for people already living “where jobs are”, so, the migrants are coming to live on benefits. It is not wrong that they want to live on benefits, but it is also not wrong that people living “where jobs are” do not accept them.
You are destroying your security and protection of your own people cause you just don’t want to admit that all cultures and ideologies are not same…. Just here is a thing why do you import islamic masses to potentially find some jobs. Anybody else would be better and more compatible then this just not on massive scale but actually just to fill needs for jobs within specific regions. Just that must not come at expense of native populations. Just before any of those could find a job they need to have sufficient understanding of a language that is used by native population. So those that refuse to learn our languages based on where they are will never be productive members of society. That makes them unwanted and only reason that anybody wants to keep those is to keep wasting money from tax payers.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j9e_vcSut0A
Beside those are not rushing into welfare states cause wast majority of them have absolutely nothing to do with that war. This is what you should do with islamic immigration without compromising stability of whole continent. Also if your goal would be really to help masses then it would cost 12 times less to send supplies there then it is to keep one of them in western world. So this is absolutely massive waste of our resources and it is being done against will of the majority.
https://counterjihadreport.com/2015/09/17/muslim-immigration-and-how-to-handle-it/
http://gatesofvienna.net/2015/09/refugee-crisis-facts-and-myths/
https://www.gatestoneinstitute.org/6489/muslim-immigration
Major firms are bribing like hell EU Politicians in Bruxelles to get cheap workers for the industrial lobby which wants to maintain a big pressure on wages.
So many European tax paying jobless , Homeless refugees would like to work as well !!! Let’s put thing in the right order first then we shall see ….
As long as you are ready to assimilate and respect the country you live in and not be an idiot sexually harassing women and thieving or living on benefits, then I think k a human being is entitled to live anywhere In the world.
I would suggest if someone has time to sit and analyse statistics such as 12.3% unemployment in Portugal versus 4.3% in Germany then clearly they are not “fleeing” from anything in much of a hurry
Who could blame anyway for leaving their home country if there is nothing left there, no work, no education, no prospect, no future. Be this because the country has been torn to pieces by war and terror, or by severe economic crisis. People have left their homes for a better live for centuries. This is not a new phenomenon. The first world still chooses to ignore its own contribution to the dire plight in which so many countries find themselves. Be this on the African continent, be this in the Middle East. The first world created this problem and now chooses to shut the door on it.
Who can blame those who sympathise but do not have the means of helping them?
It is wrong to give them a choice for free travel to any EU country they wish to go, let alone for jobs. This is not what the Refugee Convention provides for. It is how illegal migrants abuse the system and the rights of all European citizens.
Really?
Υou are probably living in a dreaming world the migrants they dont realy want to go in the countries to find a job but in the countries whιch give the higher bonusses so is not necessary to work…
It doesn’t matter what someone wants, there are laws and people need to obey them. If it’s OK to break international and national laws and enter a country illegally, then by the same logic it should be OK to burglarize houses and mug people on the streets. Oh, wait, that’s what a lot of immigrants are already doing…
It doesn’t matter what illegal immigrants want, there are laws and these people need to obey them just like we do. If it’s OK to break international and national laws and enter a country illegally, then by the same logic it should be OK to burglarize houses and mug people on the streets. Oh, wait, that’s what a lot of immigrants are already doing…
Europe do not needs non skilled non compatible culturally people. Help them build their own future at their homelands & focus on our continent unemployment and prospects with out follow others.
Europe needs no more non skilled non compatible culturally people. Help them build their own future at their homelands & focus on our continents labor asset and prospects with out follow others.
To ‘want’ to go where jobs are? Want? Heck, there’s a long list of places where I want to go to where jobs are. But, should I just declare (or make) myself a refugee and go there by any means available? Well it quite simple: Go lawfully. Don’t go unlawfully. ‘nuf said.
Who sends them away from their homeland and took their himes should punished as criminal first…
In honest English: refugees are migrants and their search for jobs is a search for subsidies. Ok, now is correct ! That image of Lisbon scares me a little, can give them ideas of seeking subsidies here and we are already paying Jewish interest to the Germans …
How many of them will get jobs? Is there a serious shortage of labor where they are going, and is the problem of unemployment solved where they are going?
The question is wrong, it should be: Is it wrong to let refugees, immigrants crush European culture and terrorize the people living here????
As the earth gets smaller and smaller ,the survival instincts will get stronger
They took r jobs
are you kidding em? it’s like asking if Earth is round! Of course, they would want that! I would want that too for myself and I am not a refugee, of course someone who survived hell on earth would want that too
The bigger question is not as much monetary as it is a civil matter .Will the refugees assimilate into our societies or will they bring their own form of law
No, it’s a matter of survival. In a globalised world where only a few countries hold the production of goods they sell to other countries, it is only fare the people of countries who only buy and have no production, to want to take parte in the production and be able to make a living. No immigration, no trade.
un problema che nessuno ha analizzato non è tanto il lavoro per i rifugiati ma la disoccupazione alta dei cittadini europei , EUROPEI ( non estranei ) .. Perchè si tiene la disoccupazione alta nella UE? Non è solo un aggiustamento della moneta unica ma è anche austerità voluta di proposito. Perchè ? In Europa abbiamo tutti tutele dei lavoratori. Una politica basata sul mercato ,quello che vuole è abbattere i costi del lavoro per avere un prodotto a basso prezzo e per farlo ha bisogno di manodopera ulteriore, a basso costo , che costringe i lavoratori TUTTI ad accettare le regole dettate dal mercato per togliere i diritti sociali dei lavoratori . Infatti nella UE non si parla mai di diritti sociali ei lavoratori , si parla di diritti umani e civili.. L’immigrazione sembra creata apposta per arrivare a questo scòpo altrimenti non si spiega il perchè di tanta austerità e disoccupazione . .
un problema che nessuno ha analizzato non è tanto il lavoro per i rifugiati ma la disoccupazione alta dei cittadini europei ( EUROPEI non estranei ) . Perchè si tiene la disoccupazione alta nella UE? Non è solo un aggiustamento della moneta unica ma è anche austerità voluta di proposito. Perchè ? In Europa abbiamo tutti tutele dei lavoratori. Una politica basata sul mercato ,quello che vuole è vendere un prodotto , abbatte i costi del lavoro per avere un prodotto competitivo e per farlo ha bisogno di manodopera ulteriore, a basso costo , che costringe i lavoratori TUTTI ad accettare le regole dettate dal mercato per togliere i diritti sociali dei lavoratori . Infatti nella UE non si parla mai di diritti sociali dei lavoratori , si parla di diritti umani e civili.Per far ripartire l’economia c’è bisogno di investimenti e non può essere lasciato in mano alle banche perchè è vero che creano lavoro ma creano anche debiti, noi abbiamo bisogno di investimenti al netto , siamo in recessione. L’immigrazione sembra creata apposta per arrivare a questo scòpo altrimenti non si spiega il perchè di tanta austerità e disoccupazione . .
Nothing wrong folks, but for the sake of coherent speech, please explain people that a migrant is not a refugee, or vice versa. Good luck to all of those who come in peace.
The point is that the welcome is affected by the needs of the Country. If they need new young blood then they have a way of recruiting it through refugees. The problem is that EU rules do not allow different countries to tailor their policies to fit. With the UK, young people from all over Europe have moved there because of jobs and good welfare benefits. Now the Schools and hospitals are full and there are not enough homes. The UK cannot keep up with the influx. It is the ‘one size fits all’ policy of the EU which has led the UK to the Exit door. Not because of a dislike of Immigrants or refugees but because they cannot cope with the numbers. I question whether the Population of Portugal wanted an open door to refugees. I doubt the Govt ever gave them the chance to vote on it.
Which jobs? Where?
Of course is wrong. What is a refugee (definition) anyway? I suspect individuals (with dubious past) without any skills, striking different from locals from any perspective (think Martians), coming over and asking for limitless tuitions fees, welfare, free medical insurance for them, their spouses, their 11 children (eventually for their old parents and relatives), and free housing. If you ask them, they all want to be doctors, lawyers, and engineers, nothing less… There are no more good jobs for locals in a first place.
If we’re going to accept refugees, it should only be a temporary solution! They have to be repatriated to their country of origin!! Any permanent placement of any /all refugees should be based on their ability, qualification, skills base and how they will contribute to the country!! Anything else and anyone who drains the country of much needed funding should not be tolerated!!!
Countries that accept refugees will be successful, countries that do not accept refugees will eventually fall into oblivion. Because always some of the brightest and most innovative people become refugees and they benefit their host countries enormously.
From what perspective “innovative”? Avoiding taxes, “create” under the table jobs, selling “halal” stuff where nobody asks for it and the most striking thing of all, “sticking together” in the neighborhood? No, thank you.
you are mentaly poor person, i feel pity for you..
Stop spreading the standard pro -EU propaganda that for every economic migrant, a house, car, free money and a job is waiting. It is fake news!!!
The Netherlands has 500.000 unemployed!
this economic refugees are NOT here to work… they come here for welfare,our woman and to establish sharia law.. the naked truth
If their primary reason for going somewhere is jobs and not safety then they cease to be refugees and become economic migrants. So no to answer the question but as soon as they do so they stop being refugees.
According to your logic, when they arrive in a country they shouldn’t look for jobs? Just stay around? -.-‘
Thats not what I’m suggesting, I’m suggesting that they become an economic migrant if their primary reason for heading to a country is for economic reasons as opposed to safety reasons. I’m not bothered whether they look for jobs or not I’m just stating that if they go to a country for economic reasons they become an economic migrant and not a refugee.
According to your logic, should countries with high unemployment take no refugees?
Because most of EEu has pretty high unemployment rate, the same goes for southern europe.
Not really no. Not the large numbers that are coming across the Mediterranean. Maybe 10,000 or below.
EU hosts around 7% of world population and a third of global GDP.
Average unemployment rate is under 10%, with some numbers being much lower in some areas.
The EU population is around 500 million inhabitants (+/- UK).
So… It can accept a few hundred thousend refugees.
Besides… The EU population is getting old. So the economy actually needs an influx of migrants.
Fair enough. Good point.
Tin Knezevic Yes third world low skill workers that hate our culture is solution for oldening our population :D You know they produce no value taking social benefits they are no benefit for elderly population whatsoever. Besides growing expenditure on social benefits they only mean further destability of country terrorism, rape, sexual harasment, persecution of women and homosexuals, more no go zones. Multiculturalism does not work with Islam. Since ultimate political goal of Islam is submision of other cultures.
This ^^
If they cannot get jobs elsewhere they are accused of stealing jobs in the country that they have refugee status in. Either way they are damned. and either way, all they want to do it work – which they are also accused by europeans of not wanting to do.
No, it is not wrong. US pilgrims did it, Dutch refugees to SA did it, the world was populated by refugees of one sort or another, always looking for greener pastures. Some by personal decision, others under untold economic, political or religious pressures.
What is wrong, however, is for nations to continue creating political, economic and religious conditions that cause all these absurd and catastrophic mass migrations to happen where personal choice is a non existing factor.
No less wrong than when religious or political prosecution chased hordes of people around the world during previous centuries.
No, it is not wrong. US pilgrims did it, Dutch refugees to SA did it, the world was populated by refugees of one sort or another, always looking for greener pastures. Some by personal decision, others under untold economic, political or religious pressures.
What is wrong, however, is for nations to continue creating political,economic and religious conditions that cause all these absurd and catastrophic mass migrations to happen where personal choice is a non existing factor.
No less wrong than when religious or political prosecution chased hordes of people around the world during previous centuries.
Obviously not… the problem is that thay have a distorted image of “our” world, we don’t have that wealth they look for anymore. Also there’s a difference between refugees which are trying to stay alive and come from war countries and clandestines…
right
If they receive an allowence for being a refugee, their status doesn’t imply liberty of movement through the host country, not even in search for work. Their official reason of being in Europe is avoiding being a war victim.
That is not wrong, that is smart. I am Portuguese and I migrated to England because my country is just falling apart.
Nah, You just took the easy way out.
The easiest way is to stay the comfort zone.
So, there was a war in Portugal?
What is the definition of war?half of Europe had migrated to united states,do you believe all those people had a choice?
If you have not noticed, they are not here for the jobs. They are here for benefits
It is not wrong but local population is first.
There is one big problem in whole Europe: there is no enough workers and IT specialists. If economy doesn’t work, the social system will failure. The problem appairs if the refugees don’t want to work or committe crimes.
Wrong is to be refugee and no one should be, everybody should have the chance to stay with prosperity to their homeland ,to fulfill his dreams! One day I hope people will realize that above titles we are all humans and we are all connected..
They go where benefits are Higher. Not Jobs!
Just recently controversy occurred when the niece of the president of Socialist Party (PS) got a coveted place in a municipalized company, current practice among those with political ties to main parties…
Which is absolutely completely irrelevant to the question at hand.
it is absolutely… how can they weigh in their hard labour if all that maters is family connections? Portugal has failed to present itself as a place where if you work hard you can succeed in life… That is why so many go abroad…
Jorge has a point. It is not your skills that make a difference in Portugal. It has no importance whatsoever. That’s why the country has many problems and the root of many issues in society, we could be much better than any country in northern Europe. And also the Portuguese must wake up to the EU. It is not an angel, it give us nothing, on the contrary, it takes away, and also in the root of Portugal’s owes.
They should get the work visas.
We have the EU blue card system exactly for that purpose, sadly even the EU is forgetting about it.
On European civilization the work environment needs educated people. The majority of the immigrants are not educated for the offered jobs. Also EU coutnries such as Greece, Spain, Portugal already have unmployment issues. So why not these vacancies not to fullfilled from the domestic population?
This is enough with the propaganda with the immigrants
Those who seek work usually cone to the EU with work visas. The others seek the benefits and some of them seek safety.
This is so funny how the title of the article admit that refugees are not refugees from any war anymore but job seekers and searchers of economical benefits payed from the local population
of course it’s not wrong. Everyone would do the same if they were war refugees
when they do it, its opportunism. when we do it, its capitalism. disgusting double standard
http://www.fishersofmenfilm.com
Asking the wrong question. Is it wrong that you move to a country that provides for you and your family but you refuse to integrate (mind you, not abandon your traditions or culture in your household).
If you go to UAE and don’t act by their culture, guess what happens?
They pay you? Ohhhh eheh.
The European Union is a bunch of idiots with idiotic ideas.
Keep it to removing roaming and STFU Europe!
By the way the abolition of roaming seems to be the only good thing done by the UE to the european since Schengen.
Good job europe 1 good deal every 20years.
If they are handing out checks and welcoming an invasion, why would they not want to go there. Countries like Germany and Sweden are their new homelands.
There are jobs in Portugal. They just want north welfare state
Not only refugees….everybody.
Refugees or economic migrants!
we want a referendum about these illegal migrants. EU citizens and their rights have been raped for too long
Tell me about the rights that you have lost because of refugees…. I’ll wait.
who said refugees. I speak of illegal migrants which are the majority in southern EU
Nothing is wrong with this as long as there are jobs and the refugees have the skills to do them.
No refugee want jobs… All refugees from Lithuania run away even we have lost of available jobs, but we have shitty salaries and “to small social benefits”
it is understandable they want to come to Europe. But we can’t support all those refugees. The resources and jobs etc are limited.
Understanding the meaning of scarce resource and limits is not a skill that Europe’s liberals have.
We need secure EU borders, immigration stopped, “refugees” returned to secure camps in Africa.
Most jobs are here in the Czech Republic and there are indeed many foreigners who come here to work. But virtually none of the so-called ‘refugees’ even want to come here, and the ones that did come here left for Germany at first occasion.
It’s the same in Portugal.
Artur Pereira I always wondered about that. Portugal is a beautiful country with really nice people, geographically close to the migrant paths and yet – they don’t seem to be willing to go there. This says something about them being ‘legitimate refugees’, indeed.
The people who come *to work* in the EU usually get work visas.
Many European jobs are here in the Czech Republic and there are indeed many foreigners who come here to work. But virtually none of the so-called ‘refugees’ even want to come here, and the ones that did come here left for Germany at first occasion.
Isn’t that what the EU wants?
“wrong” ? That is a poor choice of terminology to formulate around this question. Where did you people went to school?
Wrong? No way! Why go somewhere where you cannot develop yourself, where you cannot raise your children in the best possible circumstances?
Nope just natural….
ASK America who f**ks Europe….
Thats not wrong. Whats wrong is to try to enforce on other people their beliefs and ideas
Is it wrong for refugees to destroy western values?
Is it wrong for refugees to commit terrorists acts?
Is it wrong for refugees to not want to integrate?
Its normal. Everybody look for betrer life. But only Europe helps them. Rusia and Usa only bombs them for gas. Also we dont hate islam but we dont want minorities and big teams that we cant control them. Religion zelotism is so easy to create blood and deaths
I would think it is the most natural and obvious thing, go where you can find work and travel until you find it, after all that’s what we in U.K. Do all the time, have done for centuries, in times past because of famine and land clearances, now through choices, except if you live in London and working poor, then they shove you north by making you unable to afford to stay with increasing housing costs, we have so many of us go abroad too for work made possible by eu . We are fortunate ones because it’s mostly our choice, refugees are forced into that decision mostly because of war
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If they are moving for work then they are migrants, not refugees.
The big majority is not interested to work. They go where they can live well on our money
Some scary unemployment stats around Europe so suggesting there is jobs for all is dishonest importing skilled or unskilled labour is good for big international companies who so no loyalty to people. Of course it’s bad for Europeans to import millions more to compete for the job, health and housing that is available.
What a dumb queston :-( … The problem is, that the overwhelming majority of muslim migrants come not for hard work but for easy living and occupying Europe with the help of the Soros network similarly to the clone army of Senator Palpatine who just wanted the best for the Republic :-( … https://cdn.meme.am/cache/instances/folder562/32996562.jpg
European peoples have lived for centuries with different levels of immigration without major problems But since World War II all countries have been dealing with massive influxes of people who have great difficulty adapting to the nation they ask for security We need a progressive economy that prioritize the values of liberties and associate with the idea of equality
Don’t have anything against refugees coming to Lisbon but you could’ve picked a better city than mine when it comes to talking about jobs.
As long as EU providing economic aid and housing for every migrant entering europe then migrants are not interesting for any job as they live out of money provided by EU …Its wrong to fill up EU for any kind of migrants
My first comment is why for this article Portuguese journalists working on the field that really know the situation were not involved?
My second comment is that it is not true the Euro-skepticism declared by another of this forum. My third comment is that Portuguese people are among the people in the world that best welcome difference. The proof of this is how well different religions and beliefs work together in our country. Lastly the coordination of refugee relocation needs to better improved as well as the perception that they also need to accept EU relocation rules. If I get accepted in another country or territory I must also respect their rules. How we say in Portugal in Rome be roman.
Yes it’s wrong when you still have thousands of shits to get right in your own country !
It’s perfectly ok to look for better jobs and life quality in general. But for the sake of intelectual honesty, at some point, the media should stop calling them refugees.
DEPORT DEPORT DEPORT – END EU NOW
Common good when there’s trouble and dispute, integrity ke?
Nop
So much stupid arrogant sorry excuses of persons around here!
Why dont you give them all your belongings? Your apartment/house, salary, girlfriend…. they have the right to enjoy those!!!!!
So much stupid arrogant sorry excuses of persons around here!
So much stupid arrogant sorry excuses of persons around here!
No – it is only natural. Everyone would most probably want to improve their standards of living. However, the real question is whether their trip should be facilitated or priority should be given to ensure the safety of the refugees, that is, if indeed we’re taking about refugees and not economic migrants.
Can you tell me the definition of refugee?
Galina Dimitrova Valcheva http://www.unhcr.org/news/latest/2016/7/55df0e556/unhcr-viewpoint-refugee-migrant-right.html
This question is wrong in the way it is put
absolutly not…
but they are moving from their home land and HAVE to aceppt new ways of life, probably they not use to…
Enlightened countries run good programs to teach them about the culture of their new country, teach the language, help them integrate.
😅😅😅 I told you Portuguese were surprisingly good at looking good to everybody without compromising
hahaha just like Wallonia, Portugal really got their stuff figured out
They go where the social benefits are the highest
They go for the money not for jobs
No they don’t if you look at the research refugees for the most part do not make calculated decisions on where to go. The most significant factor of where they go to is connections i.e. if they have family or know of somebody etc in a particular country.
Really Natasha Glendening???? I haven’t seen neither one of them working! They don’t even send their children to school! This tolerance will lead Europe till the end of civilization!
Me neither.
None of them get jobs, just stand in the streets in groups
Living on the money from our taxes, we work to support a good life for young and fit migrants from outside Europe
Galina Dimitrova Valcheva on the contrary tolerance is the sure proof of civilisation, of a wise and mature society that remembers history and the lessons it teaches
Refugees from where? They are immigrants and should take care of them selves! Who is taking care of me and paying my bills! This is what I call discrimination!
Actually most persons would do the same if our country was under war. The problem is the the majority of them are not from Syria but elsewhere but even then who cares. The point is that there are other countries that are not at war that have needs and of the same religion if not quite similar culture. They are Algeria, Malaysia, Indonesia, Tunisia, Kazakhstan, Oubeskistan.. and on. If Germany needs a greater number of workers they have a great pond from which to pick in view of their unemployment rate: Greece, Spain, Italy, France…
Refugees and immigrants are two totally dinstict things and I AM SO FRACKING TIRED OF SEEING THEM USED AS BEING THE SAME!
You are a person that has faced war, his family death because of it, Lisa of fortune, home,land, sleep,identity,emotions , dignity and survival means. Isn’t it obvious and righteous to ask for happiness? Europe messed up with their countries providing weapons to ” liberators” along with USA and bombed the s**t out those places. And now we have the nerve to think whether it is right or wrong for a human to be happy after all this. Are freaking stupid asking that question when Europe is partially responsible for ISIS?
Refugees? we took many, 115 years ago we took the Boers from South Africa, Spanish civil war some enter in our nation, 2 world war, on 70s around 1 millions of people enter in Portugal as refugess (from our ex former colonies in Africa) with no money from anyone else, we took them. Everybody is welcome in Portugal..
Refugee, based on the International Law, is someone only as long as his life is in danger and he is “moving” to save himself. The first country, which provides security, is the last in which he is classified as a refuge and is valid. … A refugee, for example, is the Syrian “up” to Turkey or Jordan and Lebanon. If he leaves these countries, which offer him security and protection, he automatically turns into an illegal migrant. END OF STORY
The reality of Paris, on the street in the Latin Quarter. A bed in the floor made with an old bit of sofa foam. Baby clothes and tiny shoes and a bottle of milk. When I walked back down the road the “owner” was back. A young woman with 2 children under 5 and a new born baby, this is where they will sleep tonight in a “civilised European capital “!
This is the shame of all of Europe, children are innocent!
In all countries where jobs are social benefits are much higher than in countries like bulgaria or croatia with high unemployment rate. Refugees aiming for better benefits not jobs.
Depend what you mean under refugees, Syrian refugees that really need help or illegals crossing illegally the EU borders, send by god knows who, commuting crimes and terrorising European citizens?
I see what you are doing there – subtly attacking good people by associating them with terrorism.
Are you thick? Border check points open 24/7, no one want closing those, want to enter EU plenty of border check points open 24/7. Do u want to explain to the victims your point of view hamphib?!
No, it isn’t. But destroying western civilization is what we will get at the end. It’s simple: culture and civilization values will be lost when newly arrived people don’t understand them and simply dislike any side of european civiliztion.
And you think this goes for most refugees?
Amphib Ian For most? It is hard to say since there is no reliable statistics on how many and from which countries they are. EU borders are open in every direction and refugees go without any obstacles. If there is no control on the flow, there is no statistics on it either. I live in one of the border countries and have a look on the subject.
lesson something. we dont want your refugees, take them into ur house if you want them. support ur local nacionalist party or remove ur-self from ma friend list.
It is wrong for the illegals and they should not be allowed in. If caught, they should be deported.
hi still anybody here?
i am refugee living in Lisbon. you all are talking about going out of Portugal to find job. but still i am thinking about creating jobs in Portugal. :) but most of the time i feel helpless.
They go where welfare is
Well robots do…
Is it wrong to import foreign work force rather than encourage and improve your own?
It can only destroy our Labour!! Working for 2 €…..
Every human wants the best for themselves. Of course that includes host societies and their members.
Silly me thinking refugees would want to go where they can find security…
Imagine if europe was in war and you had to flee with your family. You traveled until America to save your life and you succesfully arrived in Venezuela where is safe. Would you stay there or travel a bit more to go to Canada for example where you and your family would have more opportunities?
If Venezuela was the first country you arrived at as a refugee then you should stay there & just wanting to go to a rich country ‘illegally’ does not give you the right to go there. Apart from that who the hell would want to go to the Socialist utopia of Venezuela in the first place ?
The only country you can consider to be a refugee is one of your neighbors.
In all others, you are considered as an immigrant and it is illegal to enter without permission.
Also, if you want to go to a country as an immigrant then choose a country that matches your manners and customs.
You have no right to change anything in the country you go.
So yes… It is wrong for refugees to want to go where jobs are. Stay to the neighbor country until the war is over and then go back to your country. Or stay in your country and fight for your country.
Ivan – Who would want to go to Greece or Turkey if EU authorities invited them. Angela Merkel asked for 1000000 workers and Greek goverment said that there are no borders in the sea(percieved as invitation)
Χρήστος – https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-36499727
middle east(syria)was not neighbouring country-so they were not refugees?
Nikos
1) I didn’t say that Greeks never left as refugees or immigrants..
2) Germany asked for workers between them as immigrants… Not Greece..
3) The third paragraph of the article you posted “At the end of the war, they began heading home. Most made it back safely, but for some the journey ended in tragedy.”
Χρήστος – In Germany there are jobs so they invited them and they want to go there. Why it is wrong with this then?
It is not wrong!!!! It’s ok!! But they can’t be called refugees there but financial immigrants. The same thing also applies for the Greeks of WW2 that fled to non neighbor, in peace, countries.
But there are HUGE differences between the state of an immigrant and that of a refugee. And we must stop confusing these words…
Nikos I’m happy though, that before 19 years we entered the same class as children and now we can talk about these topics and we are still here!!!! I’ve missed you my friend!
Nikos That would be someone facing death or percussions looking for safety, which happens to be the definition of a ‘refugee’. Migrants do not have, should not have & will never have the automatic right to move where ever they want for a better life. There are legal channels for that.
Nikos Would it not be better to offer those jobs to the millions of Spanish, Greeks & Italians who have lost their jobs because of EU & Socialist incompetence ?
Absolutely yes, I did it as well and I’m Italian, not properly a refugee.
Of course its not wrong…but is it righr to let them all in ?
Is it hell they are a massive unwanted burden
We don’t have refugees 93% of the immigration in the south of Europe is made of economic Immigration
Actually looking for safety or for a better life is the same in 93 percent of migrants. Personal security comes also through once own finance, without mentioning the fact that at least in Europe personal property is something very protected. Also, of the 20 millions of Italians who left the patria in the last 157 years unfortunately very few were the one who did it in opposition to the fascist regime. All the rest was looking somewhere else for a better life.
Jack Only in the minds of regressive Socialists does the fact 20 millions Italians moved to the new world mean Western Europe should take millions of culturally different financial migrants from the 3rd world.
Not wrong for them to want jobs in the same way it’s not wrong for me to want a new Jag but it is wrong to allow them to take want they want just because they want it.
Yeah, englishmen never went looking for better lives anywhere. Never taken nothing either. Read a book
Jack –
What a strange comment comrade, you seem to be attacking me and agreeing with me at the same time 8|
If you enjoy the life in Victoria then its a good job for you Brit’s did, which makes your comment the definition of hypocrisy.
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017/05/23/66m-migrants-waiting-cross-europe-africa-report/
Ivan –
Actually arrivals from North Africa by sea are consistently decreasing.
https://reliefweb.int/report/italy/
mediterranean-migrant-arrivals-reach-22439-2018-deaths-reach-615
Gianluca Thanks for the info.
I can’t see the relevance of your post to the topic at hand but thanks anyway 8|
https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/six-million-migrants-wait-to-reach-europe-as-mediterranean-claims-yet-more-lives-5vmrgd5n9
Gianluca Truscello questo è un’idiota
Ivan
“There are fears of a dramatic rise in arrivals as the summer weather turns favourable for sea crossings.”
But are diminished…
In italy almost 80% less compared to last year.
Gianluca How many is to many for you, 1 million, 2 million, 10 million ? For most people 1 illegal financial migrant is to many so who the hell are you to tell them to take them ?
Do you mean refugees looking for safety or migrants looking for a better life ? The two are not the same thing.
No! Finally we have or not the right for free emigration ??? Now, whem theire countries was demolish they go to reach countries.
Beginning with ’70 many predict the conflict North-South, or Reach-Poor Countries.
You are confusing refugees with economic migrants.
Ps: There are probably a lot more jobs in Saudi Arabia and Kuwait than in Italy.
considering the amount of Italians working outside Italy you are probably right, there are many Italians even here in Malta.
No wonder, since unemployment in Italy is still very high. Especially youth unemployment.
Is it wrong for anyone to want to go where jobs are??
But that’s not the question—are refugees “wanting to go” where jobs are? Really? Is that their main reason, jobs? Or is the social unrest, instability, war, persecution that’s pushing them?
I don’t think “refugee”, “want” and “jobs” should go in the same sentence.
If they’re refugees (true refugees), they’re fleeing something. It’s not a choice they want. There’s not much of the “refugee status” a refugee wants. Think, they’ve left their homes behind, friends, family; they may have seen death on their way; they’re trafficked with, smuggled; they’re extorted and tortured, abused; they’re pushed away, unwanted in their own lands by their own (think Syria)… I don’t know, being a refugee is not something we should speak lightly about. We don’t need to glorify them either. And we don’t have to pity them to the level of incompetence… These people were something back where they came from and they just lost it to war? To persecution? Jesus, people, think university student, someone who was studying medicine, in Syria. War erupted. His/her university got destroyed. Their family decide to flee; it’s not safe. Whatever money they have, they used it to pay their way into Europe… I’m thinking about Syria, because I don’t think Syrian bureaucracy
and administration are at their best; and certainly, they won’t be giving travel visas to people who they think should be repressed (or executed)…
We keep thinking refugee is such a bad think… There are certain factions in European politics nowadays that have demonised the figure of the refugee. Hey! The Polish were refugees during WWII, and here in Spain, there were refugees fleeing from Franco’s Civil War… What difference did it make? I’m sure back then, people had quite nasty thoughts and prejudices about Polish and Spanish…
People who leave their countries for jobs elsewhere, that’s another matter altogether. These people have little chances in their country, generalised poverty makes it difficult to make a living for themselves. So they decide—not necessarily want—to leave: to leave behind their roots, a culture that doesn’t discriminate them or sees them as different and foreign; they leave behind family and friends, and the security that means… And they decide to find a job, a better job, in another country. And being an immigrant anywhere ain’t easy… If you’re European and you move inside Europe, well, chances are that discrimination will be minimum; but prejudices are everywhere: everyone has them about others. It’s ok. But don’t enforce them beforehand, don’t judge a book by its cover… don’t make policies out of prejudice.
Is it wrong? Is it wrong to want something better for yourself and for the ones you love? That’s a good debate, but let’s not mix refugees and economic migrants in the same pot… because they’re 2 very different realities.
Don’t make it about refugees when it is about ensuring businesses are profitable by exploiting a vulnerable and desperate class of people for cheap labour.
If they wanted to go where jobs are, there would not be such a high unemployment rate around them
A better question would be is it wrong for illegal immigrants to want to go to places with high social givings for nothing.
So they dont have to fix their problems just prolong them, at the expense of working taxpayers.
Were people born to work for others, while certain sectors of society are expected to do nothing.. was your son or daughter born to work for others who do not, do not and cannot being obvious if countries are offering employment
Seems to me a new form of slavery and rasism but not towards illegal immigrants but opposite.
Debating Europe
Here’s a question for a future debating point:
“If Nazism is rightly vilified for it’s dead body count of 60 million dead men women & children why does Socialism get a pass on it’s +200 million dead men women & children ?”
Should make for an interesting debate me thinks :)
It’s because Germany apologised and still feel responsible for their history- never in denial (of course they are countries including mine which don’t let past go). Rest of the world (even if they did something wrong) would not like to hear about their dirty past. Also history is always written by winners so of course non of the winners would say something bad about themselves ( Soviets were winners of IIWW)
Martyna I await the excuses of apologists for the antidemocratic EU when it inevitably falls. 8|
NO
Is it right to have refugees?
Yes, if they want to go where the jobs are they are no longer refugees and should not have any special privileges. Let them compete on an equal footing with the rest of us imigrants.
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Sorry this is off topic (or maybe not) but I thought your readers would find this interesting , hypocritical or just plain funny 8| lol
‘”Africa won the World Cup,” “I get it, they have to say it’s the French team. But look at those guys. You don’t get that tan by hanging out in the south of France, my friends.”
Trevor Noah – South African / American host of ‘The Daily Show’ – in response to France’s World Cup victory.
http://www.trevornoah.com
It took them a while but the French ambassador & the main stream media (including FRANCE 24 English surprisingly) have picked up on it lol 8|
http://www.france24.com/en/20180719-trevor-noah-french-ambassador-araud-africa-world-cup-france
No. İt is common sense
It’s wrong for our governments to allow them to do enter in the first place, against the wishes of our countries’ citizens.
The majority of migrants does not come in Europe for jobs,but for wellfare. This is the reality.
who’s behind this debate? such dumb questions! who cares if it wrong or not wrong? as others said before they go where welfare is and this is normal for now-a-days reality and migrants
Refugees are happy to get to a safe country… Economic migrants go were the jobs/best welfare are