Has Turkey’s President Erdoğan gone too far? Following a failed coup in July 2016, the Turkish leader has acted quickly to arrest or dismiss anybody deemed to be a potential threat to his regime. Tens of thousands of people have been detained; media organisations have been shut down, and roughly 120,000 people have been fired from their public sector jobs. President Erdoğan is currently pushing to reform the country’s constitution, consolidating sweeping powers into the office of the president.
It’s not that long ago that Turkey was being held up as an exemplar of secular democracy in the Muslim world. Many pro-democracy revolutionaries during the Arab Spring looked to the Turkish model. So, what went wrong? Why is Turkey following the path of illiberal democracy?
What do our readers think? We had a comment sent in from Siegfried on our ‘Suggest a Debate’ page, wondering whether Erdoğan’s Turkey was still compatible with EU membership, given the recent government crackdown.
Is Erdoğan’s Turkey compatible with EU membership? We asked Members of the European Parliament (MEPs) from all sides of the political spectrum to stake out their positions on this question, and it’s up to YOU to vote for the policies you favour. See what the different MEPs have to say, then vote at the bottom of this debate for the one you most agree with! Take part in the vote below and tell us who you support in the European Parliament!
Radical Left
Thomas Händel (GUE/NGL), Member of the European Parliament:
Not at all. The core values of the European Union are democracy and human rights, freedom of expression, freedom of press, and the rule of law. None of those are respected at the moment in Turkey. The EU should withdraw from all negotiations and halt any payments made related to the candidate status of Turkey. That’s the only way we have to express our concerns in a way the Turkish government understands.
Social Democrats
Eva Kaili (S&D), Member of the European Parliament:
Greens
Bodil Valero (Group of the Greens), Member of the Committee on Civil Liberties, Justice and Home Affairs and the Committee on Security and Defence:
I think that we have to make a distinction between Turkey and Erdoğan. Because Turkey, formally, is a democracy, and there are a lot of democratic Turks who would like membership of the European Union. But it’s very, very difficult to negotiate membership with Erdoğan. Things are going in the wrong direction in Turkey under his leadership… So, I would say that EU membership is not compatible with Erdoğan, but it could be with another leader.
Liberal Democrats
Marietje Schaake (ALDE), Substitute Member of the Committee on Foreign Affairs and the Committee on Human Rights:
Centre Right
Jaromír Štětina (EPP), Member of the Committee on Foreign Affairs and Substitute Member of the Committee on Civil Liberties, Justice and Home Affairs:
No, the [Turkish] regime is not respecting European democratic principles. But, at the same time, I do not support the freezing of accession talks with [Turkey]. It is vital to distinguish between the current regime and the Turkish people. We need to keep the dialogue open and maintain our criticism until the situation gets better.
Conservatives
Anna Fotyga (ECR), Chair of the Subcommittee on Security and Defence and Member of the Committee on Foreign Affairs:
Eurosceptics
Laura Ferrara (EFDD), Member of the Committee on Civil Liberties, Justice and Home Affairs and Substitute Member of the Committee on Foreign Affairs and Subcommittee on Human Rights:
The situation of fundamental rights in Turkey is actually very controversial, especially after the coup d’état of the last summer. I’m afraid, unfortunately, that this situation is incompatible with EU membership. We hope, however, that Turkey could swiftly restart her path towards a better acknowledgement of the rule of law and fundamental rights.
Curious to know more about Turkey’s path to EU membership? We’ve put together some facts and figures in the infographic below (click for a bigger version).
You’re talking crap. So what if dictators get elected by the people it does not make them good people, with good policies, it just makes them good at duping idiots or at conspiracy making. Have you heard of the democratic hero named Hitler or any number of African numbnut presidents that started civil wars so they could remain in power after their term ended?
Plus you are infinitely clueless on how the EU works.
Through its actions Turkey has shown that it never was compatible with the EU and Never will be compatible with the EU . One just has to look at the British State Sponsored Turkish Military invasion and occupation of EU member Cyprus since 1974, which has provided the Britsih Military bases in Cyprus a security advantage against American efforts since 1950 to expel the Britsih Military bases from Cyprus and replace them with American military bases in Cyprus, sparking Turkish Military violations on Greek sovereignty in the Aegean since the 80s. Wonder how President Trump with his American First Policies, will react to the trachery commited by Britain and Turkey in Cyprus against the United States since 1950. Will President Trump demand British and Turkish military forxces leave Cyprus immediately. Only time will tell.
We are not blaming anyone. Cyprus is a Member-State of the EU that has FOREIGN invading forces from Turkey for many decades now. By what right are the Turks occupying EU sovereign territory?This has to stop. You understand that Turkey gains an unhealthy advantage against the EU by having invasion forces on European soil, right? And what a surprise, the British are making things more difficult again for the EU…
John Zervas Turkey has gone to Cyprus to protect its citizens from the Greek Cypriot eoka terrorist organisation, why you don’t mention at all the atrocities from your side agains the Turkish Cypriot population ? that’s why Turkey is there to protect its citizens.
Alex
Ibrahim Uzun Turkish citizens??? They were supposed to be Cypriot citizens not turkish citizens. If they are turkish citizens they should go back to Turkey.Otherwise they are traitors to their own country (Cyprus)
UknownWarrior
The European part of Turkey should be Greek. It was meant to be in the year 1922. All of the Aegean islands should be Greek and this includes Tenedos and Imbros.
Turkey occupied Cyprus with its military. There were Turks there, but the Islands was predominantly Greek inhabited.
The answer is that Turkey should not be allowed to join the EU!!
Of course it is not. Its moving away from democracy and pluralism at high speed. But where was all the positive praise and improvements from the European side ten years ago when Turkey was making huge steps towards democracy and rule of law? Maybe if the EU has made some concessions in that time Erdogan could now not use the EU as one of his scapegoats he rallies his supporters against.
because, as far as I understand Erdogan does not want apply to EU anymore (from de 28 dossiers, there is only one completed – i read a few month ago in na european magazine) and recente declarations from some leaders in EU made me think they are not interested in any enlargement anymoe. maybe i´m wrong but that´s the idea i´ve got from several news.
As long as Erdogan is in power, a Turkish membership is impossible. Even if he were to be de-throned (yes that is the correct verb, Sultans get dethorned not outvoted) it’s a political matter. If Turkey was to become a Member State, it would have even more votes than France in the EU. The French will never agree to that. So Turkey will never become a member of the EU. It is simple as that. Finally, do not get fooled by the image Turkey gives to us all, it only advertises how it’s coastal parts look which by the way are heavily influenced by European values since they stand on ancient greek and byzantine cities. The coastal parts of Turkey were always more politically civilized. However the coastal parts are a very small part of Turkey. If you want to see the real Turkey, just go and see what happens behind the coastal parts, it’s chaos.
Uğur Kerti don’t. Feel pity for your countrymen who are pinned down by a vicious dictator.
Alex
Uğur Kerti Hi Ugur. Why do you say that? Do you feel like that invasion also never happened? Or that the Ottoman empire/invasion was good or european or whatever?
I dont agree with some MEPs who say it us only Erdogan that is incompatible with the EU and that the people are. If anything, Erdogans rules simply revealed and highlighted the fact that many Turkish citizens are incompatible with the EU. It is Turkish citizens that murder Homosexuals and transgenders, it us Turkish citizens who had machetes under their beds and beheaded soldiers in the coup, it is Turkish citizens in the police force who tortured dissenters and alleged coup participants, Turkish citizens voted for Erdogan by majority vote therefore support all he espouses. It is Turkey and most if its citizens that do not belong in the EU. We do not share the same values for democracy and freedom of choice.
No doubt whatsoever, if Turkey was Christian today they would be an EU member already since 30 years. For sure. And why not, a Christian Turkey would have had the same values as the Christian Western nations, it would be like Greece, or Croatia. But instead Turkey is Islamic, a nation that has a religious and political world view that is incompatible with our Christian dominated club. They are our historical enemies, the descendants of the Ottoman empire that invaded Christian Europe all the way to Austria. We shouldn’t be ashamed or afraid to admit the issue of religion in these questions. The Turks are not ashamed of being Islamic, they do not apologize for it, they do not apologize for their crimes against minorities eg Christians, Kurds, LGBTQ etc. We mustn’t apologize to them neither. We don’t owe Turkey anything and they don’t own us. We must protect our European values, including from people who want to enjoy our countries prosperity but who aspire to change our nations to be like the Islamic countries where people are not free, atleast not according to a western standard of freedom.
…if there was ever a ‘leading question’ competition this would qualify as an absolute winner here. Give us a break & don’t waste our time asking the obvious.
…if there was ever a ‘leading question’ competition this would qualify as an absolute winner here. Give us a break & don’t waste our time asking the obvious.
Your comment is incorrect, Erdoğan was elected by the people whereas dictators are not elected, Just as your president Juncker wasn’t.
Alex
Your comment is incorrect. The government was elected by the people. The government and the rest of the turkish parliament made Erdogan into a President, a President whose sole role is to ensure the democratic rule of the ruling parties, not to take powers into his own hands.
Erdogan might have been elected by some people, but his coup last year and the following imprisonments and murders is the proof that he is a proto-dictator.
Hitler was elected and didn’t stop him from using a dictatorial model
The main problem for turkey to join the EU is that in case of being a memeber, it wiil be the bigest state in the club!!!!and moreover is 99% muslim country!!!!That is the real obstacle for the EU!!!!as far as the democratic deficiency in turkey is just a justification and not a reason!!!!,,EU is not so sensitive to these things sush democratic righrs !!!we see it in ucraine supporting the Meintan nazi elements !!!!???!the jihandists in syria etc!!!
It’s not Erdoğan in particular but the thing is that Turkey is not compatible with the union as a whole. It is a huge land populated by 80 million, so there are dramatic differences between the regions and cultures within the country. Europe is not capable of handling this situation and there is not any justifiable reason to bother doing so anyway. Besides, the membership thing has fallen off the agenda for a while in Turkey -this is true even for the non-nationalists. For the pro-governments Europe is going down, so why would we be a part of this failure? For the anti-governments the pro-government Muslims will mess it up with their embarrassing ideologies and religious acts, so it is better for them to be a part of Europe individually -not as a society. Needless to say, I am just making generalizations.
It’s not Erdoğan in particular but the thing is that Turkey is not compatible with the union as a whole. It is a huge land populated by 80 million, so there are dramatic differences between the regions and cultures within the country. Europe is not capable of handling this situation and there is not any justifiable reason to bother doing so anyway. Besides, the membership thing has fallen off the agenda for a while in Turkey -this is true even for the non-nationalists. For the pro-governments Europe is going down, so why would we be a part of this failure? For the anti-governments the pro-government Muslims will mess it up with their embarrassing ideologies and religious acts, so it is better for them to be a part of Europe individually -not as a society. Needless to say, I am just making generalizations.
No. This is a stupid question. Turkey currently doesn’t meet basic requirements for EU membership, including those on personal liberty, freedom of the press and of course capital punishment.
Of course not. Turkey”s chances 10 years ago was far higher than now.
Tarquin Farquhar
@DEBATINGEUROPE
No; however, the EU welcomed many basketcase nations from the Club Med and the Balkans into the EU already and this has provided inspiration/ammunition for Turkey re joining the EU.
If Turkey does not join the EU, it will be seen as an anti-Islamic situation from Ankara – the EU has dug itself into a very deep hole.
Turkey should join UK – it has so many friends there and is much more compatible with their values than than with EU…
Duncan
Care to give any examples? Or is this just more rhetoric based on dislike rather than facts?
Tarquin Farquhar
@Maia Alexandrova
EU values? Don’t you mean ‘Banana Federation’ values!
Without the UK, the EU will quickly shift to become a ‘Latin bloc’ – then watch the already high levels of corruption and unaccountability go through the roof.
Note the meeting of the new ‘European-Axis-of-Evil’ today in Portugal featuring 7 countries not lauded for their transparency, accountability or democratic credentials.
It is only a matter of time before the 2nd, 3rd and 4th biggest Eurozone economies start to coerce Germany et al to do what’s good for them…NASTY!
because, as far as I understand Erdogan does not want apply to EU anymore (from de 28 dossiers, there is only one completed – i read a few month ago in na european magazine) and recente declarations from some leaders in EU made me think they are not interested in any enlargement anymoe. maybe i´m wrong but that´s the idea i´ve got from several news.
No! Never. Are you really serious asking this question? Have you not been following the recent events in Turkey?
Duncan
The answer is so obviously no that the mind boggles as to why this is even being asked. Here’s another question you should put to debate; “Do we really need air to breathe?”
In the eyes of the imperialist-lead Europe is a great market and big economy. They don’t care about such stupid questions as religion or compability!!!
Faddi Zsolt, you are right, Turkey is a great market. Why don’t you build your own community with the Middle East countries and the former soviet Turkish countries? An alliance of all Muslim dictators
What kind of “democracy” in a country of ~80mio, where +90% are Muslims? Turkish “secular Muslim Sharia democracy” = Universal European democratic values?
Is the EU still clinging to the belief that a signatory to the 1990 Cairo Declaration on Human Rights in Islam- which is not “UNIVERSAL” but based on religious Islamic Shari’a Law- will ever become ECHR compliant? Except, the EU writes another “treaty” to introduce Sharia & sign up to the CDHRI.
What is so difficult to understand when its political leader waves the Quran in both hands and aims to capture the executive sultana presidency, replacing the existing parliamentary system of government?
Just keep’s all the EU bureaucrats busy talking & guessing for a few more years.
the title and subtitle are in contradiction !!! wtf
Turkey isn”t at all compatible with the EU!! it is a muslim country and the EU is by default a christian establishment … (although evrybody would deny it)!! everybody who talks about good turkey
I don’t know of any Islamic dictatorship from Middle East that has anything in common with European Union do you? So quit asking idiotic question about future EU members that are not Europeans firstly and not democratic secondly !!!
And the EU is so democratic, by continually violating the sovereignity of its member states. You know what, I say we ditch the EU membership deal. Perhaps renegotiate the rest of the deals too.
Alex
Yeah, the treaty of Sevres need to come back to the table ASAP
Certainly not, he made a law allowing him to be president until 2029. Do you think that’s democratic? Or do you think the coup was not planned to strengthen his power? No , no, no. Erdogan has not respect for Turkish people , do you think he has for the EU?
Lets grow up please….what more proof do you need to understand that this man is a DICTATOR !!! You guys are crazy to even think of writing an article on this matter !!!!
The workers of the EU are not compatible with EU memebership. The EU is a wolfden of capitalists. Our industries, farmers, fishing has been destroyed by the EU and the captalism it supports. All countries should exit such an organisation..
E.U are primarily petrified of Turkey because of its population size and armed forces. Turkey should have been allowed in 10 years ago before Erdoğan became to powerful.
Well, back then, most of the country’s infastructure, economy and civil rights were considered to be “incompatible” with EU standards. You know what, the AKP regime did as a matter of fact made Turkey compatible with EU standards, but at the expense of national sovereignity and pride. This is why we nationalists always opposed him, while the EU praised him. Now we get questions like “is Erdoğan’s Turkey compatible with the EU”. Well, that is like offering him your direct support by giving him just another reason to push this precidency deal on us, by saying that the European Union is wary of it, so it must be good. I know for a fact it isn’t, but the EU’s stance is not making our case any easier.
E.U are primarily petrified of Turkey because of its population size and armed forces. Turkey should have been allowed in 10 years ago before Erdoğan became to powerful.
Well, back then, most of the country’s infastructure, economy and civil rights were considered to be “incompatible” with EU standards. You know what, the AKP regime did as a matter of fact made Turkey compatible with EU standards, but at the expense of national sovereignity and pride. This is why we nationalists always opposed him, while the EU praised him. Now we get questions like “is Erdoğan’s Turkey compatible with the EU”. Well, that is like offering him your direct support by giving him just another reason to push this precidency deal on us, by saying that the European Union is wary of it, so it must be good. I know for a fact it isn’t, but the EU’s stance is not making our case any easier.
doesn’t God protect everyone equally? Rulers and commoners. Foe & friends. Rich & poor. Believers & non Believers? Isn’t the one God an unselective one- or?
erdoğan diktatör değildir millet tarafından seçilmiş cumhurbaşkanıdır mazlum fakir aç insanları da korur sizin gazeteler medya sizi yanlış bilgilen diriyor türkiye de demokrasi vardır hukuk vardır.
ab de satılmış gazeteciler var türkiye yi karalamak için para ile satın alınmış bu medya gazeteciler siz gerçekleri bilmiyorsunuz türkiye ye gelin gerçekleri görün
diktatör dört milyon savaşdan kaçan suriyeli ve ıraklı mülteciyi ülkesin de bakmaz birde bu pencereden bakın gerçekleri görün erdoğan büyük bir liderdir aç insanlar için türkiye otuz milyar harcadı şuana kadar avrupa birliği yardım etmedi etmiyor
Erdoğan is the legitimate president, chosen by the Turkish people in a general election surveyed and approved of the o e cd – observers. He is therefore NOT a dictator.
Even if you do not like the way, he runs Turkey (and I guess perhaps his foreign policy)?
Could you please tell me why there are soo many people in prison ….all those who didn’t agree with his way of thinking are separate. ..principale journalist. …and why did he firred 12.000 employees? ???
Alex
It does not only matter how you come to power. How you stay in power can also turn you in a dictator
erdoğan diktatör değildir millet tarafından seçilmiş cumhurbaşkanıdır mazlum fakir aç insanları da korur sizin gazeteler medya sizi yanlış bilgilen diriyor türkiye de demokrasi vardır hukuk vardır.
ab de satılmış gazeteciler var türkiye yi karalamak için para ile satın alınmış bu medya gazeteciler siz gerçekleri bilmiyorsunuz türkiye ye gelin gerçekleri görün
diktatör dört milyon savaşdan kaçan suriyeli ve ıraklı mülteciyi ülkesin de bakmaz birde bu pencereden bakın gerçekleri görün erdoğan büyük bir liderdir aç insanlar için türkiye otuz milyar harcadı şuana kadar avrupa birliği yardım etmedi etmiyor
I think, it should not be forget that the relation between Turkey and EU based on mutual interest. There are a millions democrats and Kurdish people who are the friend of EU and respect the law and vaulues of Europe. And Turkey is also a big big market for european products. Turkey is not only Erdogan.
What makes you think that the kurds respect democratic values? When they loose elections in Turkey they respond with car bombs! ! The west of Turkey is liberal. The further you come East the more religious they are. And then comes Syria and Iraq on the other side.
The kurds are just like them! Only some Europeans have some romantic notion that the kurds live under a bubble dome where the religious surge go right over and under the dome lives a democratic people with respect for Europe.
But æt no such dome exists. The kurds are precisely the same as the east turks, the Syrians, iranians and the iraqies
Dear Vibeke Schneidermann, we can not say this for all Kurds or Turks. In all countries there are both democrat and extremist people. Turkey is a great country and has almost 80 million people. 1/4 of this people are Kurds. Nobody can say that all Kurds are for car boms or extremist
I would say no, but not so sure since the EU is not able to make a stand against corrupt politicians and appoints commissioners that failed the grilling and failed to get a vote of approval by the Meps. If EU chiefs dismiss such tests and still go ahead why the hell do they have these tests
Hey there Eurofags. I should start off by stating that I am not a fan of Erdoğan and will vote “no” in the upcoming referandum. With this out of the way, I’d like to address this question:
There is no “Erdoğan’s Turkey”. This country does not belong to a specific person, it belongs to the Turkish nation.
And I can’t help but wonder, was Turkey considered to be compatible with the EU before Erdoğan took power? To my knowledge, the European powers were delighted to see Turkey taking a turn to liberalism under his regime before he got the useful idiots out of the way to start claiming power for himself in earnest. Now you begin to ask the question, “Is Erdoğan’s Turkey compatible with the EU”.
Was this question asked in regards to the previous governments?
If not, why now? You are all a bunch of hypocrites, or you’re actually secretly working in his favor by bringing up such questions, because people who praise him often bring up the issue of the Eurofags opposing him in regards to the precidency, and now they’ll got definitive proof for that. Thank you for your time.
If externals questioning the merits of someone’s presidency makes erdogans supporters see that as some kind of proof of legitimacy, that is their problem, and lack of logic
Alex Browne
Well, Alex, their logic is irrelevant, but their votes are relevant.
Besides, that wasn’t my question: what I’m asking is, whether Turkey was compatible with the EU before Erdoğan took power or not. And if so, why they didn’t make Turkey an EU member back then, and why this question regarding Turkey’s compatibility is being brought up now, although it isn’t a new question, it was not asked within the context of which government ruled Turkey, but now, it is. Such questions raise all kinds of doubts in the minds of the people here whether they support Erdoğan or not.
Marius Rusti
Well that’s out of the question though. We won’t give that back.
EU reform- proactive
@ Mehmet Özgün Uluğoğullarından, good day Sir!
…………..”Was this question asked in regards to the previous governments? If not, why now? You are all a bunch of hypocrites……….” Well said & valid criticism!
Would the EU not have shifted its goal post but rather restricted itself to pure economic criteria -when the EEC was created in 1958 (Treaty of Rome)- a Turkey- EEC economic partnership could have been in place after the Ankara Agreement in 1963 was signed.
By burdening “economics” with political, social & ECHR values as conditions afterwards- “check mated” a Turkey- EU partnership of today. The EU was/is acting as a dishonest, hypocritical party, who doesn’t know how to jump over its own erected hurdles.
James Robinson
And well I am not a sucker for the EU. The thing is, I don’t think that the “compatibility” issues have gotten worse, but in fact, better. Other than the Cyprus issue, many things in Turkey have actually moved to be compatible with EU standards.
But that’s what I don’t understand, why is the question asked now.
Hey there Eurofags. I should start off by stating that I am not a fan of Erdoğan and will vote “no” in the upcoming referandum. With this out of the way, I’d like to address this question:
There is no “Erdoğan’s Turkey”. This country does not belong to a specific person, it belongs to the Turkish nation.
And I can’t help but wonder, was Turkey considered to be compatible with the EU before Erdoğan took power? To my knowledge, the European powers were delighted to see Turkey taking a turn to liberalism under his regime before he got the useful idiots out of the way to start claiming power for himself in earnest. Now you begin to ask the question, “Is Erdoğan’s Turkey compatible with the EU”.
Was this question asked in regards to the previous governments?
If not, why now? You are all a bunch of hypocrites, or you’re actually secretly working in his favor by bringing up such questions, because people who praise him often bring up the issue of the Eurofags opposing him in regards to the precidency, and now they’ll got definitive proof for that. Thank you for your time.
Alex Browne
Well, Alex, their logic is irrelevant, but their votes are relevant.
Besides, that wasn’t my question: what I’m asking is, whether Turkey was compatible with the EU before Erdoğan took power or not. And if so, why they didn’t make Turkey an EU member back then, and why this question regarding Turkey’s compatibility is being brought up now, although it isn’t a new question, it was not asked within the context of which government ruled Turkey, but now, it is. Such questions raise all kinds of doubts in the minds of the people here whether they support Erdoğan or not.
I mean led by an autoritharian leader who has been shutting down all opposition with mass arrests, just saying
Btw,ask Kurds what they think about Erdogan
And you know what, the EU aided Erdoğan openly in this, being delighted with the fact that the country was becoming “more liberal”.
Yeah, we have had all forms of asshats in our country, speaking out against out national identity, our history, our legitimacy as a people, freedom of speech hit the top. We tried to stop this increasing degeneracy, but to no avail. Now all these liberal asshats are either in prison or have retired from public life. Serves them just right. Just right.
Most if the kurds actually vote for Erdoğan. They constitute 20-25 percent of the voters and the last thing many of them want is to be ruled by PKK. Or to have from Istanbul, where a quarter of them live and “home” to a Kurdistan that will be at war between themselves in a heartbeat.
I don’t like Erdoğan but this is not his regime and will not be. As you also know -but you don’t express- that EU is two faced community. Was southern cyprus compatible to join EU ? Was croatia was compatible to join EU ? Was poland compatible to join EU ? No, not even now they are compatible. ‘Following a failed coup in July 2016, the Turkish leader has acted quickly to arrest or dismiss anybody deemed to be a potential threat to his regime.’ This starting sentence pointed out that this article is a trash. About the first sentence of article of course you would prefer us to be controlled and governed by a religious (!) fucking puppet fethullah gülen but we don’t want and almost everybody was on streets in that night to prevent the coup, they were successful in doing that. To be objective, I can accept if you claim that Erdoğan is using those people who were against coup and taking political advantage for himself, it can be true and I am also against this situation like many of Turkish citizens.
Well he’s done it before, and no one in Europe cared because the people who were thrown in jail were all patriotic military men, with the people that are now being subject to mass arrests being his accomplices in this, who are part of the Gulen movement, who aided Erdoğan willingly and knowingly, falsifying evidence to support his campaign against nationalists and the military. As for the Kurds, or more specifically the PKK and their legal representatives, they had a deal with the government to withdraw to Iraq, and only kill a few policemen and military personell so that they won’t look like complete tools, and he even gave them free hand in Universities so they could conduct propaganda in relative safety from the police, so that they were free in terrorizing campuses, forcing people to buy their monthly magazines that provide updates and propaganda material for their rage-quest for independence, and generally making all cities less safe for their respective inhabitants. Now Erdoğan does not need them anymore, and all these useful idiots are now having their backs broken, and to be honest, I think that they deserved it for aiding Erdoğan in his quest for being the absolute leader of everything.
And you know what, the EU aided Erdoğan openly in this, being delighted with the fact that the country was becoming “more liberal”.
Yeah, we have had all forms of asshats in our country, speaking out against out national identity, our history, our legitimacy as a people, freedom of speech hit the top. We tried to stop this increasing degeneracy, but to no avail. Now all these liberal asshats are either in prison or have retired from public life. Serves them just right. Just right.
The big question is why us this any of our business, we are leaving the eu so won’t affect us and secondly the way the liberals and left wing are behaving over brexit I think the comments about democracy and fascism is a bit hypocritical, this is becoming less and less a democratic country and is being led towards a semi dictatorship
Abi dolar oldu 4, işsizlik şuanda zirvede, benzin fiyatı dünyanın en pahalısı, alım gücü çok düşük, refah seviyesi yerlerde, Türk lirası tarihi boyunca ilk defa bu kadar kötü durumda, ekonomisi battı dediğimiz Yunanlar bize gülüyorlar, her ay en az bir terör saldırısı oluyor. Sence gerçekten iyi bir ülke böyle mi olmalı? Yandaş medyanın, yalakaların dolduruşuna gelme lütfen. Bu adamlar 14 yıldır bu memlekette 14 yılda hiç bir şeyi düzeltemediler bundan sonra mı düzeltecekler, daha bugün vergi arttırmayı ya da dış borç almayı düşünüyoruz dediler. Dış borç olmuş 480 milyar lira. Memleketin gelir kaynağı sadece vergi üzerine. Üretim 0
Erdoğan is the legitimate president, chosen by the Turkish people in a general election surveyed and approved of the o e cd – observers. He is therefore NOT a dictator.
Even if you do not like the way, he runs Turkey (and I guess perhaps his foreign policy)?
I actually do not think that Erdoğan and Turkey wants to be member of the EU anymore. ..There used to be around 20 percent against, but that number has increased to 50 percent and rising.
By the way, I read your messages under this topic and seemingly you are well informed about Turkey and definitelly balanced views… Some how, any connection with Turkey?
And I do not.love Erdoğan and I do think he is on a quest for power. But what politician is not.
But I can appreciate that he has brought the country financially forward. I can also see that most if the politic that Europe criticises is because he is thinking of Turkey first and last and does not care about Europe and USA. But why should he? They do not care about Turkey.
Regarding human rights and media oppression, I don’t know. It is nothing you feel as an ordinary person and I have also read it in foreign newspapers
But they are usually so wrong in what they write on items, I do know about, so I simply don’t know….
Erdogan has done a good job of getting rid of the ‘useful idiots’ who he used and got him power, now he combines the office of prime minister with his own he will soon be the next sultan…and Attaturk’s efforts to modernise turkey will have been in vain as it goes back to relying on religion and goes the way of iran and saudi.
First he has to win the referendum. Besides the change gives him the construction that corresponds to the one the US have and that is generally accepted and not doomed a dictatorship. At least prior to Trump. The Turkish people is not very religious and it us the part of Erdoğan they don’t like, but put up with because of the other results. He should, however, not push it. But if that becomes the result, then remember, that he actually tried Europe first…..
I actually do not think that Erdoğan and Turkey wants to be member of the EU anymore. ..There used to be around 20 percent against, but that number has increased to 50 percent and rising.
By the way, I read your messages under this topic and seemingly you are well informed about Turkey and have definitelly balanced views… Some how, any connection with Turkey?
And I do not.love Erdoğan and I do think he is on a quest for power. But what politician is not.
But I can appreciate that he has brought the country financially forward. I can also see that most if the politic that Europe criticises is because he is thinking of Turkey first and last and does not care about Europe and USA. But why should he? They do not care about Turkey.
Regarding human rights and media oppression, I don’t know. It is nothing you feel as an ordinary person and I have also read it in foreign newspapers
But they are usually so wrong in what they write on items, I do know about, so I simply don’t know….
First he has to win the referendum. Besides the change gives him the construction that corresponds to the one the US have and that is generally accepted and not doomed a dictatorship. At least prior to Trump. The Turkish people is not very religious and it us the part of Erdoğan they don’t like, but put up with because of the other results. He should, however, not push it. But if that becomes the result, then remember, that he actually tried Europe first…..
Most if the kurds actually vote for Erdoğan. They constitute 20-25 percent of the voters and the last thing many of them want is to be ruled by PKK. Or to have from Istanbul, where a quarter of them live and “home” to a Kurdistan that will be at war between themselves in a heartbeat.
What makes you think that the kurds respect democratic values? When they loose elections in Turkey they respond with car bombs! ! The west of Turkey is liberal. The further you come East the more religious they are. And then comes Syria and Iraq on the other side.
The kurds are just like them! Only some Europeans have some romantic notion that the kurds live under a bubble dome where the religious surge go right over and under the dome lives a democratic people with respect for Europe.
But æt no such dome exists. The kurds are precisely the same as the east turks, the Syrians, iranians and the iraqies
Absolutely compatible, there are millions of Turks only looking for the chance to work in the EU it does not matter there are already millions of unemployed EU orders.
As a Turk I regret to say that by no means today’s Turkey can be integrated to Europe. Corruption, social problems and bad economy are the major reasons. On the other hand some EU member states, especially the new ones aren’t necessarily better than Turkey either however their problems are manageable since those countries are smaller in terms of population. Turkey must embrace the principles of Ataturk and become a well established fully democratic, transparent and an objective legal state. The achievement of this goal under/with the current government is simply impossible.
RECEP TAYYİP ERDOĞAN sadece TÜRKİYENİN DEĞİL dünyadaki bütün MÜSLÜMANLARIN aynasıdır sonsuz güç kuvvet ve kudretin tek sahibi olan CENABI ALLAH yar ve yardimcisi olsun inşALLAH amin
Yunus biz peygamberimizde biliriz milletine deger veren başbakanida biliriz kafanı yorma o konuda yıllardır türk gibi görünüp milleti sòmüren liderler utansin unutmadan PEYGAMBER efendimiz dünyada eşi benzeri olmayan tek insandır onun yolundan gidenlerde atamızdır nokta
with Erdogan, absolutely no, without Erdogan there is still long way to go. the constitution needs to be reformed but not the way the current government is trying to, basically today they are trying to change constitution to give absolute power to one man with no control mechanism. hopefully its going to happen
Miguel Cabrita
I would not respond to rhetorical questions, but instead note that Erdogan insurgence is in part the result of several years of European Mockery with the Turks in the so called negotiations to join the EU, someday they would be tired with the farce, so now we have a dictator in Turkey.
What‘s the point of asking such obvious questions ?
The debate didn‘t even start and it was already over.
Next debate: Is Putin the perfect european president ???
Evet cunku biz AB uyelik surecinde fasillar acip kapayan, ticari ve yuksek duzeyde diplomatik politik iliskiler yuruten bi ulke degiliz. Hadi Singapur tepki verse neyse de AB ne alaka?
Türkiye onbinlerce mülteciye kucak açan onları barındıran besleyen tek ülkedir,Bu sadece Müslümanlarla sınırlı degil,Bu ülke hristiyan bir ülkede olsa yine degişmez kucak açardı.
Mehmet Özgün Uluğoğullarından the only country that violates the sovereignty of other nations is Turkey!!! Look at the daily violation of the Greek boarders and the invasion and occupation by Turkey of northern part of Cyprus. Look at occupation of western Armenia and invasions in Iraq etc, etc. I suppose you don’t encounter all these as you have no idea what democracy and human rights are and respect of other countries’ boarders!
No he is an islamist dictator that has imperialistic plans and still occupies half Cyprus which is a member of Europe and treatens Greece with invasion! !
Stop your famous lies and your propaganda sir ,
Just tell me the reason why Turkey is in Cyprus ?
I tell you why, because you can’t tell the true you are ashamed to tell us the true,
Turkey is in Cyprus to protect the Turkish Cypriots from the EOKA B terrorist organisation, if any one wants to know about the atrocities of this terrorist group they can search on the google,
And you should say big thank you to Turkey because after Turkey came to Cyprus even the Greek Cypriot are living in peace mate.
Only a dead Turkish is a good one…You are all filthy animals…We will not say thank you to Turkey for invading Cyprus assholes ..One day you will pay for your crimes in Cyprus , bastards…
It is not just Erdogan it is also the majority of Turkish citizens who are incompatible as they voted for him, beheaded people in the streets (the coup)and kill transgenders. Let alone the barbaric police force.
Erdogan is only governed better than the whole of Europe together.
Erdogan has played an important role in the fight against terrorism, as Europe is showing mild.
French politics is full of corruption and is under Russian influence
France violates the rights of immigrants
While Turkey protects them
European Union should be dissolved and each state to work for his country
I think Turkey itself is not compatible with EU membership and identity (which the enlargment has perhaps made us forget), let alone Turkey under Erdogan’s rule.
Well Europe already support dictatorship regimes, Poland and alike some from outside like Ukraine and FYROM! It is also supporting Turkey dictatorship with European citizens money without asking none!
No ! But the European leaders are not better…
They continue to support a dictator ,not the only one ,for financial benefits and deals under the table … Meanwhile millions of Turkish immigrants live and work inside their countries , inside growth communities ..
Well. Any country in theory is welcome to EU since that’s the all point of the creation of EU. Now there is some rules. It is not acceptable Turkey with a president that wants all the power for himself and anything that is not quite like what he likes is wrong. So sorry all turkey people but until u somehow really get him out of power is gonna be impossible get inside EU. Now EU have a lot of is own fault on this situation. Erdogan is using this camp of refugees to create the idea that they are accepting everyone in need and we Europe don’t want help people in war created in great part by European states. What that say to the rest of the world? Erdogan is crazy for power but in is way of getting Europe sending money and power to him he just need keep accepting refugees. What in earth Europe think is doing. In this case this man is getting a lot of power because of Europe itself and the crisis of refugees. Europe need start saying enough or will have big problem in the future with this so call president of Turkey. Europe need have qualifications to act and not be afraid of losing some power. Is better lose some power now then in time don’t have any at all forever.
Eu is in mess, after the brexit eu will loose its brain, the fascist party’s are growing in Europe, in the near future small minded politician are going to be in power just like another trump, and like in holland with the fascist freedom party, in Bulgaria the fascist ataka party, in Greece the fascist Golden down party, in France the le pen in power what kind of future eu is going to have ?
With all this mess why Turkey should join the eu ?
Inviting another messy guest to the party when you should be getting your own house in order is about as dumb as you can get. Neither Turkey nor Europe is ready for such a step, and both are currently moving in the wrong direction.
Erdogan’s Turkey is certainly not compatible with EU values, but then again, neither are Kaczynski’s Poland, Orban’s Hungary, Rajoy’s Spain and many others, not to mention Draghi’s ECB and Juncker’s EU itself.
I believe that it is high time that Europe takes a decision series against this dictator, clearly. No against the turkish people, but against a government where his boss is a real fascist Sultan.
Peru is holding Europe as refers Erdogan wants money and power to control our borders and destiny The countries of the EU should call bluff the Erdogan and defend their borders to force Turkey to honor its signature of the protocol of Ankara
Keep out of EU…your history , values have nothing to do with EU…be good to your own people and stick to your country..no one wants another Ottoman empire..your history is full of the blood of Armenians, Greeks, Albaniand.Kurds..and Bondians to name at least…oh and Cypriots too
What a joke. Do not respect minorities, do not respect free press, he violates Human Rights. Turkey should aplied yo be a member of other nations that shares Turkey’s values.
No. Turkey is not proper for Europe now and in the near future. We already have instability in east for proper equal rights. We dont need other undemocratic partia at the table. Let s stabilize the EU for now, not extend it until its broken from inside
No. Turkey is occupying the land of a member state Cyprus… in case you have forgotten…. Also many other issues are open violating everyday human rights and showing an arrogant political stand….
Ibrahim Uzun Shut the fuck up, what about the Greeks u slayed the hgue greek minorites in constantinopole and SMyrnh?And Turk cypriots and Greek cypriots are non of your business and our business. EOKA wasnt greek
Not in this form. It would be somewhat forgiveable if he was a dictator a’la Attaturk, but he appears to be aiming more towards a sultan (and not a wise/benevolent type). The catch is the fact that Turkey is holding EU by the b@lls with refugees and NATO/Russia. Will be interesting to see how this all plays out.
It will never be and we should never forget what they did to Armenians and what are they doing now to Kurds. Least of all give them an opportunity to try to that to any of us.
Beside only reason they are even in NATO is geopolitical interests and if they want to maintain good relations with us they will learn their place or you should apply some pressure until they understand that they need us far more then we need them. This is what geopolitics with Russia is all about and why Turkey is that bold that they dare to blackmail us with mess they created.
No, and it’s not geting better, with the “coup” excuse to persecute opponents and critics, along with the ascent of islamism in society and in the state apparatus, Turkey is quickly turning into just another sharia loving Middle Eastern ditactorship.
They are blasphems. In christians Pasxa they have referendum. So only muslims can survive in their country during we build mosques respecting all religions. They are barbars…threatening daily greece cyprus syria iraq(trying to took pieces) and burning kurds villages and murdering people. They hate europe and our values. Power of hate against any RACE or religion and the love of superiority to the other nations that they dont even recognize their exist-not even the idigenous minorities,shows a very dangerous team of islamists wolfs that dreams an empire once again in their bloody history.
No- he is looking for strongman politics and seeking for a war to show off that he is not weak- Misguided supporters are mistaking this as well as leadership, rather than overcompensating for a weak position
I think it’s mostly their fault if EU isn’t working as it should… I mean I myself think that the Union could be something really useful for all the members, everyone could grow a lot even if each country is so different from the others… but when I hear that someone want to have its “own speed” leaving others behind… then what’s the point?! We should all be equally important members…
The ideas of equality and solidarity in the EU are lies, the truth as ever is ‘who pays the piper calls the tune’ & in the case of the EU the piper is Berlin.
If only it was just Erdogan. Unfortunately for the EU the huge potential customer base of Turkish citizens have proved that the majority are Erdogan. Keep EU citizens safe and strike a trade deal only. No visa-free EU travel.
No way! And it is not just Erdogan’s Turkey. It’s Turkey as a whole. They have a totally different political and scocial culture plus a totaly incompatible religion
His organization feeds from fears. If Turkish people were aware that Europe is there for economical support (tourism, investments etc.), or that we are on the same page with subjects like border security (Syrian war), terror (ISIS) etc., they’d not have to be so much powerful to get people vote for dictatorship today. But all Europe did was extra threatening: If this continues then Turkey is out of Europe. And all this leads to more fears, and more power for the authoritarian. So this post is actually very relevant.
The democracy in Turkey is better than in Bulgaria,
The economy in Turkey is better than in Greece,
The living standards in Turkey are better in the most Eu country’s,
So what are you talking about ?
There are many good things in Turkey but today you don’t have democracy! Obviously it is right what people say: “The fish don’t have a word for water”.
They want to occupute west… they are racists nationalists muslims imperiors. In Pasqua they have referendum to humiliate christianity. They dont respect no other state or religion or race except those that they used them and victimize only themselves-poor muslims that crusaders hates them-but they violate all borders because was… othomans 200 years ago,they have referendum in Pasqua and they want centrical big mosques in all our capitals.. They love blood tortures and murders. Europe has other values. These crimes against humanity should stop or call an International court
I know you have to much hatred against Turkey ,
But :
Before you start you hatred you should know this ,
In Greece in alexandroupoli the Greek fanatics burn down 600 years old Muslim mosque,
In imathia 3 weeks ago the Greek police shut down Muslims mosque despite had all the permition from the local council.
The democracy in Turkey is better than in Bulgaria,
The economy in Turkey is better than in Greece,
The living standards in Turkey are better in the most Eu country’s,
So what are you talking about ?
Ibrahim, silencing/imprisoning/exiling your problems (economic or political or religious) is not a valid European solution. Economies especially come and go.You had a “coup” a few months ago or whatever that was. Your people tend to have short-memory though. Next time you have headache, will you cut your head to make it go away?
Αλέξανδρος Γεροφωτης I don’t have any hatred for any one, my religion forbid me to hate the people that’s why I don’t have headaches , but if you want to make the things differently you are mostly well come to cut your head and walk again.
Ibrahim Uzun Mussolini has gone…. it has been a very terrible page of Italian history (I am ashamed about him….)that we left behind us. Your dictator is increasing his power day by day.That’s the simple difference…anyhow I don’t care if you dream an Islamic republic,where freedom has strong limitations ….I only hope that after that you don’t beging to run away from your rich and prosperous country for going to live to the rest of Europe…..
Erdogan is a dictator. You can’t justify him being a dictator because Europe has had dictators in the past. They are dead and buried. They are the reason the whole EU process started in the first place.
Iμπραήμ, το πρόβλημα δεν είναι τα πρόσωπα και οι ομάδες…Το πραγματικό πρόβλημα είναι το τι πρεσβεύουν και τι μηνύματα προωθούν..Ο κ. Ερντογάν, έχει περάσει σε ένα παραλήρημα μισαλλοδοξίας, άνευ προηγουμένου, για να συσπειρώσει έναν πυρήνα ατόμων με εθνικιστικές τάσεις και φρονήματα…Το τελευταίο διάστημα το μονο που ακούμε απο τον πρόεδρο της “Δημοκρατίας” της Τουρκίας (άκουσον άκουσον) είναι απειλές και κακουχίες για τους Έλληνες, τους Ολλανδούς τους Γάλλους τους Ευρωπαίους κλπ. κλπ. Κατ’εμέ θα ηταν σώφρων, αν ο Τουρκικός λαός έβγαινε απο το τρυπάκι της διχόνοιας, που ολοένα και μεγαλώνει, και να αποφάσισει αν θέλει να διοικείται απο έναν τρομακτικά αδίστακτο Σουλτάνο Η οχι..Καλημερα
Bit of a nonsensical question. There is even consensus among EU politicians that current Turkey is not compatible. We don’t have to open a pseudo-debate.
A Turkey that adopts EU beliefs of Democracy religious tolerance and good relations with neighbours in a Win-win manner is a Turkey wanted as an EU partner. I am not sure that at this stage EU membership is feasible due to political considerations in both the EU and Turkey. However we need to find ways to cooperate. Issues like Cyprus, Syria, affect both.. So we need to build stronger dependencies so that common interests unite us and conflicts averted…
Everything you said is correct. Unfortunately it all depends on one factor. The absolute reversal of the innate and intrinsic character of Turkey (policies, agressiveness, mentality, people and poiticians). Do not expect such a change in our lifetime! Since they first appeared in our area, 1000 years ago, they have remained exactly the same!
Is somebody like Erdogan, who is currenltly seeking to hold hegemony to himself, really willing to enter a community where sovereingty is given to supranational structures?
The question must have been like this: “Is EU compatible with Turkey?” NO. Because EU is a corrupt and hypocrite bloc. France, South Korea and the US are also presidential democracy, but when it comes to Turkey, you start behaving like a butthurt lol
If the core principles of the European Union are based on democratic values, pluralism, market economy, and unrestricted freedom of expression, Endorgan’s Turkey should be excluded from the European project.
He did help found ISIS threatens violence in Europes streets by floodingbit with refugees amoungst them jihadists, of course what could go wrong Erdogan is one with the CLOWN show puppets running the EU
I prefer 100 lives in EU countries then in Turkey or other countries like this and there is no respect for others like people who want to death other people!
Just give europe a few more years and all of us shall see.
The europe is already showing us it’s true nature.
And it’s not democracy nor wealth for the people.
Poverty, autocracy and destruction of rights.
Duirmuid Mac Sean Do you realize that thing you are talking happened 30 years ago ? And they happened just because they wanted the money from the pre-join programs AND a lot of preferred trade deals which is pretty much the only thing they cared about and NOT really joining. Looks like you haven’t dealt much with turks in your life :) Their first thought is “how to screw that ‘trade partner'”. I’m putting “trade partner” in quotes coz for them you are just a scam victim . It’s in their culture.
Thought onky the greeks didnt want turkey to e.u.
Impressed to see ppl from many wuropean countries tk express against them..
If Turkey dont remove military troops from north cyprus, which is assumed by all in e.u that is european soil that its been occupied, then in my opinion e.u. shoukdbt even consider turkey as a potential e.u. countty.
Many thungs are wrong there…(Istanbul Ankara and Izmir majority voted no yo jis referendum. Thats nkt a coincidence)
the question should be states as “is the EU going to stop supporting Erdogan anytime soon?” seriously people, do you think that Erdogan got that much power and risen without any support from the EU? funny fact! remember Merkel is one of the biggest supporter of Erdogan!
The point is whether Turkey is compatible with EU membership or whether E.U. is strong enough to be humanistic and respect its own citizens in the first place?
Has Turkey’s President Erdoğan gone too far? Following a failed coup in July 2016, the Turkish leader has acted quickly to arrest or dismiss anybody deemed to be a potential threat to his regime. Tens of thousands of people have been detained; media organisations have been shut down, and roughly 120,000 people have been fired from their public sector jobs. President Erdoğan is currently pushing to reform the country’s constitution, consolidating sweeping powers into the office of the president.Not at all. The core values of the European Union are democracy and human rights, freedom of expression, freedom of press, and the rule of law. None of those are respected at the moment in Turkey. The EU should withdraw from all negotiations and halt any payments made related to the candidate status of Turkey. That’s the only way we have to express our concerns in a way the Turkish government understands.
I think that we have to make a distinction between Turkey and Erdoğan. Because Turkey, formally, is a democracy, and there are a lot of democratic Turks who would like membership of the European Union. But it’s very, very difficult to negotiate membership with Erdoğan. Things are going in the wrong direction in Turkey under his leadership… So, I would say that EU membership is not compatible with Erdoğan, but it could be with another leader.
No, the [Turkish] regime is not respecting European democratic principles. But, at the same time, I do not support the freezing of accession talks with [Turkey]. It is vital to distinguish between the current regime and the Turkish people. We need to keep the dialogue open and maintain our criticism until the situation gets better.
The situation of fundamental rights in Turkey is actually very controversial, especially after the coup d’état of the last summer. I’m afraid, unfortunately, that this situation is incompatible with EU membership. We hope, however, that Turkey could swiftly restart her path towards a better acknowledgement of the rule of law and fundamental rights.
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No. Not even close
Maybe on 1. April.
Compatible with 1930’s Europe maybe, too bad it’s 90 years too late.
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The power grab of fascism in the 1930’s & EU power grabs of 2010’s, the similarities are very striking if you chose to look for them.
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Of course not, Erdoğan was elected by the Turkish people whereas the EU prefers rule by an unelected European Politburo.
But they will join, its the only way Juncker can keep the migrants out.
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https://www.change.org/p/give-britain-s-last-surviving-dambuster-hero-a-knighthood
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Of course not, Erdoğan was elected by the Turkish people whereas the EU prefers rule by an unelected European Politburo.
But they will join, its the only way Juncker can keep the migrants out.
You’re talking crap. So what if dictators get elected by the people it does not make them good people, with good policies, it just makes them good at duping idiots or at conspiracy making. Have you heard of the democratic hero named Hitler or any number of African numbnut presidents that started civil wars so they could remain in power after their term ended?
Plus you are infinitely clueless on how the EU works.
No
Through its actions Turkey has shown that it never was compatible with the EU and Never will be compatible with the EU . One just has to look at the British State Sponsored Turkish Military invasion and occupation of EU member Cyprus since 1974, which has provided the Britsih Military bases in Cyprus a security advantage against American efforts since 1950 to expel the Britsih Military bases from Cyprus and replace them with American military bases in Cyprus, sparking Turkish Military violations on Greek sovereignty in the Aegean since the 80s. Wonder how President Trump with his American First Policies, will react to the trachery commited by Britain and Turkey in Cyprus against the United States since 1950. Will President Trump demand British and Turkish military forxces leave Cyprus immediately. Only time will tell.
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Still blaming the Brit’s comrade ? lol
We are not blaming anyone. Cyprus is a Member-State of the EU that has FOREIGN invading forces from Turkey for many decades now. By what right are the Turks occupying EU sovereign territory?This has to stop. You understand that Turkey gains an unhealthy advantage against the EU by having invasion forces on European soil, right? And what a surprise, the British are making things more difficult again for the EU…
John Zervas
We are not making things difficult, we are just leaving the pointless club.
Interesting that you ignore the fact Brussels has done nothing to remove the Turks from ‘its’ territory though.
John Zervas Turkey has gone to Cyprus to protect its citizens from the Greek Cypriot eoka terrorist organisation, why you don’t mention at all the atrocities from your side agains the Turkish Cypriot population ? that’s why Turkey is there to protect its citizens.
Ibrahim Uzun Turkish citizens??? They were supposed to be Cypriot citizens not turkish citizens. If they are turkish citizens they should go back to Turkey.Otherwise they are traitors to their own country (Cyprus)
The European part of Turkey should be Greek. It was meant to be in the year 1922. All of the Aegean islands should be Greek and this includes Tenedos and Imbros.
Turkey occupied Cyprus with its military. There were Turks there, but the Islands was predominantly Greek inhabited.
The answer is that Turkey should not be allowed to join the EU!!
Α brutal dictatorship with jails full of political prisoners and occupational force of 40.000 troops in a EU member country Cyprus? Unthinkable
Just tell us what rule did played the eoka terrorist organisations agains the Turkish Cypriot population in Cyprus before the 1974 ?
Don’t be shy ?
You tell us if eoka exists today
Ibrahim Uzun and for that matter TMT or are we selecting the ones we like?
Α brutal dictatorship with jails full of political prisoners and occupational force of 40.000 troops in a EU member country Cyprus? Unthinkable
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The power grab of fascism in the 1930’s & EU power grabs of 2010’s, the similarities are very striking if you chose to look for them.
Of course it is not. Its moving away from democracy and pluralism at high speed. But where was all the positive praise and improvements from the European side ten years ago when Turkey was making huge steps towards democracy and rule of law? Maybe if the EU has made some concessions in that time Erdogan could now not use the EU as one of his scapegoats he rallies his supporters against.
No, European citizens don’t want that
No.
Why?
Why did you ask WHY? Isn’t it obvous?
because, as far as I understand Erdogan does not want apply to EU anymore (from de 28 dossiers, there is only one completed – i read a few month ago in na european magazine) and recente declarations from some leaders in EU made me think they are not interested in any enlargement anymoe. maybe i´m wrong but that´s the idea i´ve got from several news.
looks like a Brexit wasn’t enough.
As long as Erdogan is in power, a Turkish membership is impossible. Even if he were to be de-throned (yes that is the correct verb, Sultans get dethorned not outvoted) it’s a political matter. If Turkey was to become a Member State, it would have even more votes than France in the EU. The French will never agree to that. So Turkey will never become a member of the EU. It is simple as that. Finally, do not get fooled by the image Turkey gives to us all, it only advertises how it’s coastal parts look which by the way are heavily influenced by European values since they stand on ancient greek and byzantine cities. The coastal parts of Turkey were always more politically civilized. However the coastal parts are a very small part of Turkey. If you want to see the real Turkey, just go and see what happens behind the coastal parts, it’s chaos.
No. Turkey is not Europe. They’re invaders from Central Asia who destroyed one of the most gracious civilisations in history – the Byzantines.
I feel pity for your students
Uğur Kerti don’t. Feel pity for your countrymen who are pinned down by a vicious dictator.
Uğur Kerti Hi Ugur. Why do you say that? Do you feel like that invasion also never happened? Or that the Ottoman empire/invasion was good or european or whatever?
No
I dont agree with some MEPs who say it us only Erdogan that is incompatible with the EU and that the people are. If anything, Erdogans rules simply revealed and highlighted the fact that many Turkish citizens are incompatible with the EU. It is Turkish citizens that murder Homosexuals and transgenders, it us Turkish citizens who had machetes under their beds and beheaded soldiers in the coup, it is Turkish citizens in the police force who tortured dissenters and alleged coup participants, Turkish citizens voted for Erdogan by majority vote therefore support all he espouses. It is Turkey and most if its citizens that do not belong in the EU. We do not share the same values for democracy and freedom of choice.
LOL no.
Yes because the European system for the security for the humans values is very important guide line for the Middle East
No, but not only his, it’s much more in general.
Sure! I mean, it’s not like he’s bombing his own citizens or something
The EU is struggling to cope with a million extra Muslims, so how will they manage a further 75 million of them?
Of course no
Onli if they turn bizantine again hahahah
No doubt whatsoever, if Turkey was Christian today they would be an EU member already since 30 years. For sure. And why not, a Christian Turkey would have had the same values as the Christian Western nations, it would be like Greece, or Croatia. But instead Turkey is Islamic, a nation that has a religious and political world view that is incompatible with our Christian dominated club. They are our historical enemies, the descendants of the Ottoman empire that invaded Christian Europe all the way to Austria. We shouldn’t be ashamed or afraid to admit the issue of religion in these questions. The Turks are not ashamed of being Islamic, they do not apologize for it, they do not apologize for their crimes against minorities eg Christians, Kurds, LGBTQ etc. We mustn’t apologize to them neither. We don’t owe Turkey anything and they don’t own us. We must protect our European values, including from people who want to enjoy our countries prosperity but who aspire to change our nations to be like the Islamic countries where people are not free, atleast not according to a western standard of freedom.
…if there was ever a ‘leading question’ competition this would qualify as an absolute winner here. Give us a break & don’t waste our time asking the obvious.
…if there was ever a ‘leading question’ competition this would qualify as an absolute winner here. Give us a break & don’t waste our time asking the obvious.
no way. He is a dictator
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Your comment is incorrect, Erdoğan was elected by the people whereas dictators are not elected, Just as your president Juncker wasn’t.
Your comment is incorrect. The government was elected by the people. The government and the rest of the turkish parliament made Erdogan into a President, a President whose sole role is to ensure the democratic rule of the ruling parties, not to take powers into his own hands.
no!
When we leave he can join!
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Your comment is incorrect, Erdoğan was elected by the people whereas dictators are not elected, Just as your president Juncker wasn’t.
Erdogan might have been elected by some people, but his coup last year and the following imprisonments and murders is the proof that he is a proto-dictator.
Hitler was elected and didn’t stop him from using a dictatorial model
Never
Nope!
No, why is this still up for debate?
Hell NO! Why is there any doubt?
Barbecue Markets
Nope.
The main problem for turkey to join the EU is that in case of being a memeber, it wiil be the bigest state in the club!!!!and moreover is 99% muslim country!!!!That is the real obstacle for the EU!!!!as far as the democratic deficiency in turkey is just a justification and not a reason!!!!,,EU is not so sensitive to these things sush democratic righrs !!!we see it in ucraine supporting the Meintan nazi elements !!!!???!the jihandists in syria etc!!!
Why ask…Turkey does not want the E.U. and the E.U. does not want Turkey. But we can have excellent relationships with this lovely country.
No.
The question is a joke right?!?
It’s not Erdoğan in particular but the thing is that Turkey is not compatible with the union as a whole. It is a huge land populated by 80 million, so there are dramatic differences between the regions and cultures within the country. Europe is not capable of handling this situation and there is not any justifiable reason to bother doing so anyway. Besides, the membership thing has fallen off the agenda for a while in Turkey -this is true even for the non-nationalists. For the pro-governments Europe is going down, so why would we be a part of this failure? For the anti-governments the pro-government Muslims will mess it up with their embarrassing ideologies and religious acts, so it is better for them to be a part of Europe individually -not as a society. Needless to say, I am just making generalizations.
It’s not Erdoğan in particular but the thing is that Turkey is not compatible with the union as a whole. It is a huge land populated by 80 million, so there are dramatic differences between the regions and cultures within the country. Europe is not capable of handling this situation and there is not any justifiable reason to bother doing so anyway. Besides, the membership thing has fallen off the agenda for a while in Turkey -this is true even for the non-nationalists. For the pro-governments Europe is going down, so why would we be a part of this failure? For the anti-governments the pro-government Muslims will mess it up with their embarrassing ideologies and religious acts, so it is better for them to be a part of Europe individually -not as a society. Needless to say, I am just making generalizations.
No.
No!
No. This is a stupid question. Turkey currently doesn’t meet basic requirements for EU membership, including those on personal liberty, freedom of the press and of course capital punishment.
Of course not. Turkey”s chances 10 years ago was far higher than now.
@DEBATINGEUROPE
No; however, the EU welcomed many basketcase nations from the Club Med and the Balkans into the EU already and this has provided inspiration/ammunition for Turkey re joining the EU.
If Turkey does not join the EU, it will be seen as an anti-Islamic situation from Ankara – the EU has dug itself into a very deep hole.
Are you joking with such question?
Turkey should join UK – it has so many friends there and is much more compatible with their values than than with EU…
Care to give any examples? Or is this just more rhetoric based on dislike rather than facts?
@Maia Alexandrova
EU values? Don’t you mean ‘Banana Federation’ values!
Without the UK, the EU will quickly shift to become a ‘Latin bloc’ – then watch the already high levels of corruption and unaccountability go through the roof.
Note the meeting of the new ‘European-Axis-of-Evil’ today in Portugal featuring 7 countries not lauded for their transparency, accountability or democratic credentials.
It is only a matter of time before the 2nd, 3rd and 4th biggest Eurozone economies start to coerce Germany et al to do what’s good for them…NASTY!
What a joke…
FACHIST MUSLIM AND UGLY TO BOOT !!!
Such greate debate is going on here. ne goes out says no! and some other says no.
Υοu better sto posting this kind of questions…
Υοu better sto posting this kind of questions…
No.
because, as far as I understand Erdogan does not want apply to EU anymore (from de 28 dossiers, there is only one completed – i read a few month ago in na european magazine) and recente declarations from some leaders in EU made me think they are not interested in any enlargement anymoe. maybe i´m wrong but that´s the idea i´ve got from several news.
Not at all!
No way
Hahaha! Just think UE is so worried about democracy and liberty in Poland ….
Why isbthis still up for debate? It was inconclusive before him.
No way
Erdogan is a dictator and Turkey have nothing to do in Europe. Now that Syria is heading towards peace the terms should be different.
Are you kidding?
That is easy. NO
Never!
No! Never. Are you really serious asking this question? Have you not been following the recent events in Turkey?
The answer is so obviously no that the mind boggles as to why this is even being asked. Here’s another question you should put to debate; “Do we really need air to breathe?”
Probably the best answer on here..
@Duncan
Lol!
In the eyes of the imperialist-lead Europe is a great market and big economy. They don’t care about such stupid questions as religion or compability!!!
I mean Turkey is a great market and big economy
What EU? EU ´s falling apart, in case you didn´t notice…And NO…Erdogan´s a dictator and he kills his own people…
What EU? EU ´s falling apart, in case you didn´t notice…And NO…Erdogan´s a dictator and he kills his own people…
Of Course not and you know that. Do you know any Muslim country that is really democratic?
Faddi Zsolt, you are right, Turkey is a great market. Why don’t you build your own community with the Middle East countries and the former soviet Turkish countries? An alliance of all Muslim dictators
No now!
His striving to have a sultanate shows his disgust for democracy. And Turkey in that situation will never be eligible for EU membership
No
nope
What kind of “democracy” in a country of ~80mio, where +90% are Muslims? Turkish “secular Muslim Sharia democracy” = Universal European democratic values?
Is the EU still clinging to the belief that a signatory to the 1990 Cairo Declaration on Human Rights in Islam- which is not “UNIVERSAL” but based on religious Islamic Shari’a Law- will ever become ECHR compliant? Except, the EU writes another “treaty” to introduce Sharia & sign up to the CDHRI.
What is so difficult to understand when its political leader waves the Quran in both hands and aims to capture the executive sultana presidency, replacing the existing parliamentary system of government?
Just keep’s all the EU bureaucrats busy talking & guessing for a few more years.
Never!
the title and subtitle are in contradiction !!! wtf
Turkey isn”t at all compatible with the EU!! it is a muslim country and the EU is by default a christian establishment … (although evrybody would deny it)!! everybody who talks about good turkey
I don’t know of any Islamic dictatorship from Middle East that has anything in common with European Union do you? So quit asking idiotic question about future EU members that are not Europeans firstly and not democratic secondly !!!
And the EU is so democratic, by continually violating the sovereignity of its member states. You know what, I say we ditch the EU membership deal. Perhaps renegotiate the rest of the deals too.
Yeah, the treaty of Sevres need to come back to the table ASAP
NO NO
Not at all.
Erdogan’s Turkey is not, free Turkey is.
EU is COLLAPSING. Problem solved!
Absolutely NOT.. 😒
Absolutely NOT..
He is a dictator, so definitely NO!
Certainly not, he made a law allowing him to be president until 2029. Do you think that’s democratic? Or do you think the coup was not planned to strengthen his power? No , no, no. Erdogan has not respect for Turkish people , do you think he has for the EU?
Lets grow up please….what more proof do you need to understand that this man is a DICTATOR !!! You guys are crazy to even think of writing an article on this matter !!!!
MARY NEREDE DİKTATÖR VARSA SENİ ÖPSÜNLER SONRADA ARKADAN SAPLASINLAR SANA KAŞINMA ZİLLİ
Britain out Turkey in … and the Ottoman empire returns.
Dictatorships are incompatible with European values. Full stop.
No
The Sultan dreams Ottoman Empire hahahahah…
Just another Dictator to Add to control of the World. Definately not – the EU needs no more of these.
NO WAY!
NO
The workers of the EU are not compatible with EU memebership. The EU is a wolfden of capitalists. Our industries, farmers, fishing has been destroyed by the EU and the captalism it supports. All countries should exit such an organisation..
E.U are primarily petrified of Turkey because of its population size and armed forces. Turkey should have been allowed in 10 years ago before Erdoğan became to powerful.
Well, back then, most of the country’s infastructure, economy and civil rights were considered to be “incompatible” with EU standards. You know what, the AKP regime did as a matter of fact made Turkey compatible with EU standards, but at the expense of national sovereignity and pride. This is why we nationalists always opposed him, while the EU praised him. Now we get questions like “is Erdoğan’s Turkey compatible with the EU”. Well, that is like offering him your direct support by giving him just another reason to push this precidency deal on us, by saying that the European Union is wary of it, so it must be good. I know for a fact it isn’t, but the EU’s stance is not making our case any easier.
Mehmet Özgün Uluğoğullarından…I bow to your superior knowledge. As a non Turk it’s very difficult to garner exact information.
We can follow up to the treaty of Sevres .This would solve several problems at once.
E.U are primarily petrified of Turkey because of its population size and armed forces. Turkey should have been allowed in 10 years ago before Erdoğan became to powerful.
Well, back then, most of the country’s infastructure, economy and civil rights were considered to be “incompatible” with EU standards. You know what, the AKP regime did as a matter of fact made Turkey compatible with EU standards, but at the expense of national sovereignity and pride. This is why we nationalists always opposed him, while the EU praised him. Now we get questions like “is Erdoğan’s Turkey compatible with the EU”. Well, that is like offering him your direct support by giving him just another reason to push this precidency deal on us, by saying that the European Union is wary of it, so it must be good. I know for a fact it isn’t, but the EU’s stance is not making our case any easier.
Mehmet Özgün Uluğoğullarından…I bow to your superior knowledge. As a non Turk it’s very difficult to garner exact information.
NO it is NOT!
NEVER!
الله يحميك
Abu Tayeb,
doesn’t God protect everyone equally? Rulers and commoners. Foe & friends. Rich & poor. Believers & non Believers? Isn’t the one God an unselective one- or?
NO. NEVER.
No dictators in the EU.
erdoğan diktatör değildir millet tarafından seçilmiş cumhurbaşkanıdır mazlum fakir aç insanları da korur sizin gazeteler medya sizi yanlış bilgilen diriyor türkiye de demokrasi vardır hukuk vardır.
ab de satılmış gazeteciler var türkiye yi karalamak için para ile satın alınmış bu medya gazeteciler siz gerçekleri bilmiyorsunuz türkiye ye gelin gerçekleri görün
diktatör dört milyon savaşdan kaçan suriyeli ve ıraklı mülteciyi ülkesin de bakmaz birde bu pencereden bakın gerçekleri görün erdoğan büyük bir liderdir aç insanlar için türkiye otuz milyar harcadı şuana kadar avrupa birliği yardım etmedi etmiyor
Sefa Ayhan Emecan
İngilizce konuşsan seni daha rahat anlar.
Erdoğan is the legitimate president, chosen by the Turkish people in a general election surveyed and approved of the o e cd – observers. He is therefore NOT a dictator.
Even if you do not like the way, he runs Turkey (and I guess perhaps his foreign policy)?
Could you please tell me why there are soo many people in prison ….all those who didn’t agree with his way of thinking are separate. ..principale journalist. …and why did he firred 12.000 employees? ???
It does not only matter how you come to power. How you stay in power can also turn you in a dictator
Essa é uma pergunta para levar a sério? Tantos anos à espera e agora no seu pior iam participar?
Essa é uma pergunta para levar a sério? Tantos anos à espera e agora no seu pior iam participar?
erdoğan diktatör değildir millet tarafından seçilmiş cumhurbaşkanıdır mazlum fakir aç insanları da korur sizin gazeteler medya sizi yanlış bilgilen diriyor türkiye de demokrasi vardır hukuk vardır.
ab de satılmış gazeteciler var türkiye yi karalamak için para ile satın alınmış bu medya gazeteciler siz gerçekleri bilmiyorsunuz türkiye ye gelin gerçekleri görün
diktatör dört milyon savaşdan kaçan suriyeli ve ıraklı mülteciyi ülkesin de bakmaz birde bu pencereden bakın gerçekleri görün erdoğan büyük bir liderdir aç insanlar için türkiye otuz milyar harcadı şuana kadar avrupa birliği yardım etmedi etmiyor
Eu was established in human Values and the right to Freedom! We do not need morons and a man in a full dreaming state
I think, it should not be forget that the relation between Turkey and EU based on mutual interest. There are a millions democrats and Kurdish people who are the friend of EU and respect the law and vaulues of Europe. And Turkey is also a big big market for european products. Turkey is not only Erdogan.
This Turkey you mention is the one we shouldn’t turn down. Especially now that is under such pressure. Unfortunately under Erdogan I don’t see how.
This is a temporary time. We should not cut the tie and relations we should help Turkish democrats people snd study Turkey better.
What makes you think that the kurds respect democratic values? When they loose elections in Turkey they respond with car bombs! ! The west of Turkey is liberal. The further you come East the more religious they are. And then comes Syria and Iraq on the other side.
The kurds are just like them! Only some Europeans have some romantic notion that the kurds live under a bubble dome where the religious surge go right over and under the dome lives a democratic people with respect for Europe.
But æt no such dome exists. The kurds are precisely the same as the east turks, the Syrians, iranians and the iraqies
Dear Vibeke Schneidermann, we can not say this for all Kurds or Turks. In all countries there are both democrat and extremist people. Turkey is a great country and has almost 80 million people. 1/4 of this people are Kurds. Nobody can say that all Kurds are for car boms or extremist
NO!
certainly not….
No. Never was. Never will.
No way
Assolutamente no no no!!!
This is a temporary time. We should not cut the tie and relations we should help Turkish democrats people and study Turkey better.
Never.
I would say no, but not so sure since the EU is not able to make a stand against corrupt politicians and appoints commissioners that failed the grilling and failed to get a vote of approval by the Meps. If EU chiefs dismiss such tests and still go ahead why the hell do they have these tests
Hey there Eurofags. I should start off by stating that I am not a fan of Erdoğan and will vote “no” in the upcoming referandum. With this out of the way, I’d like to address this question:
There is no “Erdoğan’s Turkey”. This country does not belong to a specific person, it belongs to the Turkish nation.
And I can’t help but wonder, was Turkey considered to be compatible with the EU before Erdoğan took power? To my knowledge, the European powers were delighted to see Turkey taking a turn to liberalism under his regime before he got the useful idiots out of the way to start claiming power for himself in earnest. Now you begin to ask the question, “Is Erdoğan’s Turkey compatible with the EU”.
Was this question asked in regards to the previous governments?
If not, why now? You are all a bunch of hypocrites, or you’re actually secretly working in his favor by bringing up such questions, because people who praise him often bring up the issue of the Eurofags opposing him in regards to the precidency, and now they’ll got definitive proof for that. Thank you for your time.
If externals questioning the merits of someone’s presidency makes erdogans supporters see that as some kind of proof of legitimacy, that is their problem, and lack of logic
Europe sticks it’s nose into everyone’s buisiness, and as a country currently looking to join as a full member, you could expect nothing less
Alex Browne
Well, Alex, their logic is irrelevant, but their votes are relevant.
Besides, that wasn’t my question: what I’m asking is, whether Turkey was compatible with the EU before Erdoğan took power or not. And if so, why they didn’t make Turkey an EU member back then, and why this question regarding Turkey’s compatibility is being brought up now, although it isn’t a new question, it was not asked within the context of which government ruled Turkey, but now, it is. Such questions raise all kinds of doubts in the minds of the people here whether they support Erdoğan or not.
Mehmet Özgün Uluğoğullarından, the answer is Cyprus, mainly.
Marius Rusti
Well that’s out of the question though. We won’t give that back.
@ Mehmet Özgün Uluğoğullarından, good day Sir!
…………..”Was this question asked in regards to the previous governments? If not, why now? You are all a bunch of hypocrites……….” Well said & valid criticism!
Would the EU not have shifted its goal post but rather restricted itself to pure economic criteria -when the EEC was created in 1958 (Treaty of Rome)- a Turkey- EEC economic partnership could have been in place after the Ankara Agreement in 1963 was signed.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ankara_Agreement
By burdening “economics” with political, social & ECHR values as conditions afterwards- “check mated” a Turkey- EU partnership of today. The EU was/is acting as a dishonest, hypocritical party, who doesn’t know how to jump over its own erected hurdles.
And there’s your answer. Wasn’t compatability then. Certainly isn’t compatible now. Looks even less compatable as time moves on.
James Robinson
And well I am not a sucker for the EU. The thing is, I don’t think that the “compatibility” issues have gotten worse, but in fact, better. Other than the Cyprus issue, many things in Turkey have actually moved to be compatible with EU standards.
But that’s what I don’t understand, why is the question asked now.
Time Ran Out for Turks and Turkey…
Hey there Eurofags. I should start off by stating that I am not a fan of Erdoğan and will vote “no” in the upcoming referandum. With this out of the way, I’d like to address this question:
There is no “Erdoğan’s Turkey”. This country does not belong to a specific person, it belongs to the Turkish nation.
And I can’t help but wonder, was Turkey considered to be compatible with the EU before Erdoğan took power? To my knowledge, the European powers were delighted to see Turkey taking a turn to liberalism under his regime before he got the useful idiots out of the way to start claiming power for himself in earnest. Now you begin to ask the question, “Is Erdoğan’s Turkey compatible with the EU”.
Was this question asked in regards to the previous governments?
If not, why now? You are all a bunch of hypocrites, or you’re actually secretly working in his favor by bringing up such questions, because people who praise him often bring up the issue of the Eurofags opposing him in regards to the precidency, and now they’ll got definitive proof for that. Thank you for your time.
Alex Browne
Well, Alex, their logic is irrelevant, but their votes are relevant.
Besides, that wasn’t my question: what I’m asking is, whether Turkey was compatible with the EU before Erdoğan took power or not. And if so, why they didn’t make Turkey an EU member back then, and why this question regarding Turkey’s compatibility is being brought up now, although it isn’t a new question, it was not asked within the context of which government ruled Turkey, but now, it is. Such questions raise all kinds of doubts in the minds of the people here whether they support Erdoğan or not.
Mehmet Özgün Uluğoğullarından, the answer is Cyprus, mainly.
Sefa Ayhan Emecan
İngilizce konuşsan seni daha rahat anlar.
Why are we even discussing if a fascist country couls join Europe?
Fascist? What do you mean by fascist?
I mean led by an autoritharian leader who has been shutting down all opposition with mass arrests, just saying
Btw,ask Kurds what they think about Erdogan
And you know what, the EU aided Erdoğan openly in this, being delighted with the fact that the country was becoming “more liberal”.
Yeah, we have had all forms of asshats in our country, speaking out against out national identity, our history, our legitimacy as a people, freedom of speech hit the top. We tried to stop this increasing degeneracy, but to no avail. Now all these liberal asshats are either in prison or have retired from public life. Serves them just right. Just right.
Most if the kurds actually vote for Erdoğan. They constitute 20-25 percent of the voters and the last thing many of them want is to be ruled by PKK. Or to have from Istanbul, where a quarter of them live and “home” to a Kurdistan that will be at war between themselves in a heartbeat.
I don’t like Erdoğan but this is not his regime and will not be. As you also know -but you don’t express- that EU is two faced community. Was southern cyprus compatible to join EU ? Was croatia was compatible to join EU ? Was poland compatible to join EU ? No, not even now they are compatible. ‘Following a failed coup in July 2016, the Turkish leader has acted quickly to arrest or dismiss anybody deemed to be a potential threat to his regime.’ This starting sentence pointed out that this article is a trash. About the first sentence of article of course you would prefer us to be controlled and governed by a religious (!) fucking puppet fethullah gülen but we don’t want and almost everybody was on streets in that night to prevent the coup, they were successful in doing that. To be objective, I can accept if you claim that Erdoğan is using those people who were against coup and taking political advantage for himself, it can be true and I am also against this situation like many of Turkish citizens.
no
In one word No.
Matteo Bernunzo
Well he’s done it before, and no one in Europe cared because the people who were thrown in jail were all patriotic military men, with the people that are now being subject to mass arrests being his accomplices in this, who are part of the Gulen movement, who aided Erdoğan willingly and knowingly, falsifying evidence to support his campaign against nationalists and the military. As for the Kurds, or more specifically the PKK and their legal representatives, they had a deal with the government to withdraw to Iraq, and only kill a few policemen and military personell so that they won’t look like complete tools, and he even gave them free hand in Universities so they could conduct propaganda in relative safety from the police, so that they were free in terrorizing campuses, forcing people to buy their monthly magazines that provide updates and propaganda material for their rage-quest for independence, and generally making all cities less safe for their respective inhabitants. Now Erdoğan does not need them anymore, and all these useful idiots are now having their backs broken, and to be honest, I think that they deserved it for aiding Erdoğan in his quest for being the absolute leader of everything.
Fuck these guys!
And you know what, the EU aided Erdoğan openly in this, being delighted with the fact that the country was becoming “more liberal”.
Yeah, we have had all forms of asshats in our country, speaking out against out national identity, our history, our legitimacy as a people, freedom of speech hit the top. We tried to stop this increasing degeneracy, but to no avail. Now all these liberal asshats are either in prison or have retired from public life. Serves them just right. Just right.
no.
No.
No. Njet. Nee. Nein. Non.
Erdogan isn’t even compatible with animals
Yes she is second choice, after Assad’s Syria…
The big question is why us this any of our business, we are leaving the eu so won’t affect us and secondly the way the liberals and left wing are behaving over brexit I think the comments about democracy and fascism is a bit hypocritical, this is becoming less and less a democratic country and is being led towards a semi dictatorship
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Erdoğan is the legitimate president, chosen by the Turkish people in a general election surveyed and approved of the o e cd – observers. He is therefore NOT a dictator.
Even if you do not like the way, he runs Turkey (and I guess perhaps his foreign policy)?
I actually do not think that Erdoğan and Turkey wants to be member of the EU anymore. ..There used to be around 20 percent against, but that number has increased to 50 percent and rising.
I bet it’s already far exceeding 50 % though…
By the way, I read your messages under this topic and seemingly you are well informed about Turkey and definitelly balanced views… Some how, any connection with Turkey?
I live in Turkey.
And I do not.love Erdoğan and I do think he is on a quest for power. But what politician is not.
But I can appreciate that he has brought the country financially forward. I can also see that most if the politic that Europe criticises is because he is thinking of Turkey first and last and does not care about Europe and USA. But why should he? They do not care about Turkey.
Regarding human rights and media oppression, I don’t know. It is nothing you feel as an ordinary person and I have also read it in foreign newspapers
But they are usually so wrong in what they write on items, I do know about, so I simply don’t know….
Erdogan has done a good job of getting rid of the ‘useful idiots’ who he used and got him power, now he combines the office of prime minister with his own he will soon be the next sultan…and Attaturk’s efforts to modernise turkey will have been in vain as it goes back to relying on religion and goes the way of iran and saudi.
First he has to win the referendum. Besides the change gives him the construction that corresponds to the one the US have and that is generally accepted and not doomed a dictatorship. At least prior to Trump. The Turkish people is not very religious and it us the part of Erdoğan they don’t like, but put up with because of the other results. He should, however, not push it. But if that becomes the result, then remember, that he actually tried Europe first…..
I actually do not think that Erdoğan and Turkey wants to be member of the EU anymore. ..There used to be around 20 percent against, but that number has increased to 50 percent and rising.
By the way, I read your messages under this topic and seemingly you are well informed about Turkey and have definitelly balanced views… Some how, any connection with Turkey?
And I do not.love Erdoğan and I do think he is on a quest for power. But what politician is not.
But I can appreciate that he has brought the country financially forward. I can also see that most if the politic that Europe criticises is because he is thinking of Turkey first and last and does not care about Europe and USA. But why should he? They do not care about Turkey.
Regarding human rights and media oppression, I don’t know. It is nothing you feel as an ordinary person and I have also read it in foreign newspapers
But they are usually so wrong in what they write on items, I do know about, so I simply don’t know….
First he has to win the referendum. Besides the change gives him the construction that corresponds to the one the US have and that is generally accepted and not doomed a dictatorship. At least prior to Trump. The Turkish people is not very religious and it us the part of Erdoğan they don’t like, but put up with because of the other results. He should, however, not push it. But if that becomes the result, then remember, that he actually tried Europe first…..
Most if the kurds actually vote for Erdoğan. They constitute 20-25 percent of the voters and the last thing many of them want is to be ruled by PKK. Or to have from Istanbul, where a quarter of them live and “home” to a Kurdistan that will be at war between themselves in a heartbeat.
NO !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
What makes you think that the kurds respect democratic values? When they loose elections in Turkey they respond with car bombs! ! The west of Turkey is liberal. The further you come East the more religious they are. And then comes Syria and Iraq on the other side.
The kurds are just like them! Only some Europeans have some romantic notion that the kurds live under a bubble dome where the religious surge go right over and under the dome lives a democratic people with respect for Europe.
But æt no such dome exists. The kurds are precisely the same as the east turks, the Syrians, iranians and the iraqies
No. no. no. Period.
There are already too mny despots inte EU, so no
It isn’t, I’m afraid…
NO! NEVER!
Nope
No muslim is compatible with the west
NEVER
No, it’s not.
But the debate is over. Why you ask again?
So far I don’t think so
SİZE NE LAN ŞEREFSİZ KAFİRLER TÜRKİYE NİN MESELESİNDEN ADİLER
Yürü be abi kim tutar seni savunuyorsun Vatanı Tek Başına Yardır.
كيف التقي بك ياسلطان الصحفي العراقي
EU exit to day, Turkey exit now,
Absolutely compatible, there are millions of Turks only looking for the chance to work in the EU it does not matter there are already millions of unemployed EU orders.
Never…unless violation of human rights is requisite condition😂
Never…unless violation of human rights is requisite condition
As a Turk I regret to say that by no means today’s Turkey can be integrated to Europe. Corruption, social problems and bad economy are the major reasons. On the other hand some EU member states, especially the new ones aren’t necessarily better than Turkey either however their problems are manageable since those countries are smaller in terms of population. Turkey must embrace the principles of Ataturk and become a well established fully democratic, transparent and an objective legal state. The achievement of this goal under/with the current government is simply impossible.
Fatih Ahmet Kabukçu Wtf
Turkey don’t deserve a premier like erdogan
Turkey don’t deserve a premier like erdogan, and under him its not possible, let him go,
Make Turkey great again.
No.
Oh Hell No.
Never!
No!
Absurd. No.
Fuck no. How is this even being considered?
No.
الله يمدك بالصحه والعافيه والدين والايمان ويعطيك ربك ليرضيك ولايشمت حدا فيك يارررب العالمين رجب طيب اردوغان انت رئيسنا للابد كلنا معك قلبا وقالبا الله يحفظك
Evet Turkiye de çok zorluklara ramen bu dünyanın sigortası durumunda bu gün Avrupaninda durumu hiç iç açıcı değil
RECEP TAYYİP ERDOĞAN sadece TÜRKİYENİN DEĞİL dünyadaki bütün MÜSLÜMANLARIN aynasıdır sonsuz güç kuvvet ve kudretin tek sahibi olan CENABI ALLAH yar ve yardimcisi olsun inşALLAH amin
Şimdi peygamber diyeceksin az kaldı biraz zorla bakalım
Yunus biz peygamberimizde biliriz milletine deger veren başbakanida biliriz kafanı yorma o konuda yıllardır türk gibi görünüp milleti sòmüren liderler utansin unutmadan PEYGAMBER efendimiz dünyada eşi benzeri olmayan tek insandır onun yolundan gidenlerde atamızdır nokta
Recep yani kero dünyanın en katil hırsız ve şeref sizin önde gidenidir müslüman lık la hiç alakası yok ve tam bir kâfir dir
Torbacinin numarasini yazar misin
hes is fghting for oil just like al other satanic world leaders
كيف التقي بك ياسلطان الصحفي العراقي
Turkey is a mirror that u see in yourself EU ;) Rights reflects rights , wrongs reflects wrongs .
with Erdogan, absolutely no, without Erdogan there is still long way to go. the constitution needs to be reformed but not the way the current government is trying to, basically today they are trying to change constitution to give absolute power to one man with no control mechanism. hopefully its going to happen
I would not respond to rhetorical questions, but instead note that Erdogan insurgence is in part the result of several years of European Mockery with the Turks in the so called negotiations to join the EU, someday they would be tired with the farce, so now we have a dictator in Turkey.
Well, more EU states are becoming like Turkey: Hungary, Poland, maybe France after the next election.
What‘s the point of asking such obvious questions ?
The debate didn‘t even start and it was already over.
Next debate: Is Putin the perfect european president ???
No please, he is not
Evet cunku biz AB uyelik surecinde fasillar acip kapayan, ticari ve yuksek duzeyde diplomatik politik iliskiler yuruten bi ulke degiliz. Hadi Singapur tepki verse neyse de AB ne alaka?
Who cares ?
None
Evet Türkiye ab ile en uyumlu ülkedir,Teröristlerle tüm dünyanın iyiligi ve barışı için savaşan modern bir islam ülkesidir.
Türkiye onbinlerce mülteciye kucak açan onları barındıran besleyen tek ülkedir,Bu sadece Müslümanlarla sınırlı degil,Bu ülke hristiyan bir ülkede olsa yine degişmez kucak açardı.
Uğur Kerti don’t. Feel pity for your countrymen who are pinned down by a vicious dictator.
Not in a million decades.
Erdogan’s Turkey is going fast backwards. The answer is no.
Noooo
Of course not.But it surely is with African Rogue States Union(ARSU) membership.
Gambia,Zambia,Namibia,Chad,Mali,Burkina Faso…Thanks to RTE.
No he is fast becoming a dictator
Reisimiz Demokrasiye bağlı, Milletin iradesinin dışında hareket etmeyen , Asil Turk Milleti tarafindan seçilmiş bir Dünya lideridir .
Heee mozambik:)))
Dünya liderimi hahahahaha
Nice joke
MARY NEREDE DİKTATÖR VARSA SENİ ÖPSÜNLER SONRADA ARKADAN SAPLASINLAR SANA KAŞINMA ZİLLİ
It comes for you ottoman Europa
bizler. birbirimizi. tutmasak. butip. sahislar. memleket. sorunlarina. burnunu. iste. boyle. sokarlar. herkez bir. musluman. ulke. olarak. vatandaslik. gorevini. yapmali. birlik. ve. berBerliye. kardesliye. birbirimize. sahip. cikalim. asil. turk. mileti. dostun. az. dusmanin. cok. fesat. cok. kalkinmani. istemiyen. cok. allah. yardimcimiz. olsun.
çok dogru yazmışsınız teprik ederim de mitink meydanlarımda CHP genel başkanı alevidir ha deyip yuhlatmamak gerekmezmi
Is he running a democracy? Does Turkey have Sharia law? Is Turkey compatible with European values? Does Turkey allow brutality toward women?
Answer these questions and you know how to vote.
Nope ! Absolutely NOT!!!
Short answer: no.
Long answer: hell no.
absolutely Yes, like Kosovo & Albania
With the EU’s dictatorial stance on so many issues I’d say he’ll fit right in there like a glove.
No, it could be wrong turn…
الله يحميك وينصرنا فيك يا سيد رجب طيب اردغان
Mehmet Özgün Uluğoğullarından the only country that violates the sovereignty of other nations is Turkey!!! Look at the daily violation of the Greek boarders and the invasion and occupation by Turkey of northern part of Cyprus. Look at occupation of western Armenia and invasions in Iraq etc, etc. I suppose you don’t encounter all these as you have no idea what democracy and human rights are and respect of other countries’ boarders!
Nope erdogan is becoming a dictator he copying Hitler’s steps. .
Vibeke Schneidermann Hitler was also chosen by the German people by elections,so Hitler wasn’t a dictator?
No, but it should not sour foreign politics in any other way.
No, he is a dictator who changes the rules of democracy on his favour.
No way
It is Sunday today! No inspiration for a more meaningful question?
Is Erdogan compatible with the Ataturk vision?
Οf course NO.Erdogan Passa is the distant past of ottoman empire
Οf course NO.Erdogan Passa is the distant past of ottoman empire
By now – NOT AT ALL!!!
NO
Why is this still debatable? Turkey is not Europe. Not geographically, not values, not religion, in no way shape or form.
NO
You must be joking…or blind.
No.
No!!
No he is an islamist dictator that has imperialistic plans and still occupies half Cyprus which is a member of Europe and treatens Greece with invasion! !
Stop your famous lies and your propaganda sir ,
Just tell me the reason why Turkey is in Cyprus ?
I tell you why, because you can’t tell the true you are ashamed to tell us the true,
Turkey is in Cyprus to protect the Turkish Cypriots from the EOKA B terrorist organisation, if any one wants to know about the atrocities of this terrorist group they can search on the google,
And you should say big thank you to Turkey because after Turkey came to Cyprus even the Greek Cypriot are living in peace mate.
Only a dead Turkish is a good one…You are all filthy animals…We will not say thank you to Turkey for invading Cyprus assholes ..One day you will pay for your crimes in Cyprus , bastards…
No!!!
No. But Turkey does not want join UE anymore. The european project is in a mess and Turkey changedthe way to develop its expansion..
NO! Not even a little.
No!!!
What a silly question…do they look like they want to join?
no
It is not just Erdogan it is also the majority of Turkish citizens who are incompatible as they voted for him, beheaded people in the streets (the coup)and kill transgenders. Let alone the barbaric police force.
No dictatorships or theocracies in EU please.
Hell no
Erdogan is only governed better than the whole of Europe together.
Erdogan has played an important role in the fight against terrorism, as Europe is showing mild.
French politics is full of corruption and is under Russian influence
France violates the rights of immigrants
While Turkey protects them
European Union should be dissolved and each state to work for his country
Than go back to Albania
Kovaci you are mental.
Or just poorly informed…
You are a turksperm gypsie,an ANALbanian who belongs to Asia!
Absolutely NOT!
I don.t think dictatorship is a value in UE.
I think Turkey itself is not compatible with EU membership and identity (which the enlargment has perhaps made us forget), let alone Turkey under Erdogan’s rule.
nope
The fact that he threatens UE or tries to force the hand of UE clearly shows he does not understand the values of UE.
Well i find not strange at all that this germanocentric Europe likes Turkey.
By the way dont you find awesome how Erdogan looks exactly like gollum?
No
Well it could be fun in the European council of ministers. Being named “nazi” each time you disagree with him would create a warm and cozy atmosphere.
Well Europe already support dictatorship regimes, Poland and alike some from outside like Ukraine and FYROM! It is also supporting Turkey dictatorship with European citizens money without asking none!
No ! But the European leaders are not better…
They continue to support a dictator ,not the only one ,for financial benefits and deals under the table … Meanwhile millions of Turkish immigrants live and work inside their countries , inside growth communities ..
No
No
No. For countless reasons. Most of them Erdogan’s fault.
NOT AT ALL!
Well. Any country in theory is welcome to EU since that’s the all point of the creation of EU. Now there is some rules. It is not acceptable Turkey with a president that wants all the power for himself and anything that is not quite like what he likes is wrong. So sorry all turkey people but until u somehow really get him out of power is gonna be impossible get inside EU. Now EU have a lot of is own fault on this situation. Erdogan is using this camp of refugees to create the idea that they are accepting everyone in need and we Europe don’t want help people in war created in great part by European states. What that say to the rest of the world? Erdogan is crazy for power but in is way of getting Europe sending money and power to him he just need keep accepting refugees. What in earth Europe think is doing. In this case this man is getting a lot of power because of Europe itself and the crisis of refugees. Europe need start saying enough or will have big problem in the future with this so call president of Turkey. Europe need have qualifications to act and not be afraid of losing some power. Is better lose some power now then in time don’t have any at all forever.
Eu is in mess, after the brexit eu will loose its brain, the fascist party’s are growing in Europe, in the near future small minded politician are going to be in power just like another trump, and like in holland with the fascist freedom party, in Bulgaria the fascist ataka party, in Greece the fascist Golden down party, in France the le pen in power what kind of future eu is going to have ?
With all this mess why Turkey should join the eu ?
No. Not when it’s not a free and democratic country.
NO Never.
No way,turkey belongs to Asia!
No
Türkiye,,Demokrat,Laik,Çağdaş,Özgür, çok güzel ülke.Gelin ,görün ,gezin
Türkiye,,Demokrat,Laik,Çağdaş,Özgür, çok güzel ülke.Gelin ,görün ,gezin
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Of course not, Turkey is a democracy while the EU is a totalitarian fake Nation.
NO!
Is a joke?😂
Is a joke?
Inviting another messy guest to the party when you should be getting your own house in order is about as dumb as you can get. Neither Turkey nor Europe is ready for such a step, and both are currently moving in the wrong direction.
Erdogan’s Turkey is certainly not compatible with EU values, but then again, neither are Kaczynski’s Poland, Orban’s Hungary, Rajoy’s Spain and many others, not to mention Draghi’s ECB and Juncker’s EU itself.
No!
No!!!!!!!!
Νo and no
Νo and no
no
Are you seriously asking if the Sultan’s Turkey is compatible with EU values? I am not even sure they’re trustworthy in NATO.
I believe that it is high time that Europe takes a decision series against this dictator, clearly. No against the turkish people, but against a government where his boss is a real fascist Sultan.
nop
Nein !
Never!!
With Erdogan as Sultan…..of course NOT!! And how unfortunate for the educated Turkish people…!!
Nope….of course not!!
Hell NO… And why do you think UK left EU? They always know what’s next. 😱
Hell NO… And why do you think UK left EU? They always know what’s next.
Hellz no! The Albanian Genocide 1385-1912 of brutal and barbaric Ottoman Turkey.
No
Peru is holding Europe as refers Erdogan wants money and power to control our borders and destiny The countries of the EU should call bluff the Erdogan and defend their borders to force Turkey to honor its signature of the protocol of Ankara
Definitely NOT!
Maybe we should let him in before he completely turns into rusia :/
Aunque lo dejaramos entrar, se convertiría en Rusia. Solo hay que mirar a Polonia y Hungría para saberlo.
No, it isn’t and it will never be. Turkey must never join the EU! 🚫🇹🇷
No, it isn’t and it will never be. Turkey must never join the EU!
Aunque lo dejaramos entrar, se convertiría en Rusia. Solo hay que mirar a Polonia y Hungría para saberlo.
NEVER EVER
No not at all. Different culture altogether
NEVER !!!!
Keep out of EU…your history , values have nothing to do with EU…be good to your own people and stick to your country..no one wants another Ottoman empire..your history is full of the blood of Armenians, Greeks, Albaniand.Kurds..and Bondians to name at least…oh and Cypriots too
On behalf of all “Nazis”: NEE
And you guys are even asking this question ? What the hell is wrong with you ??
NO!
Nope
NOPE NOPE NOPE
no
E a EU será ela própria compatível com a essência da sua criação?
E a EU será ela própria compatível com a essência da sua criação?
No. Never in europe the turkey. Out of europe the dictaror and the muslims
No
No !
Not with or under Erdogan Regime!
Is erdoğan compatible with Turkey? I dont think so.
Is erdoğan compatible with Turkey? I dont think so.
The fascists are everywhere now. And remember, not all Israeli’s support apartheid and colonialism, neither do all foreign Ashkenazim.
The beast, among the politicians and portions of the masses, fascism is on the rise again, I will not abandon true Hebrews.
I was in favour of Turkey’s membership 10 yeas ago. Today? NO!
17, anti-Swastika on a bat, meant for cops or any racist. On the tip of it was the A inside the O, because I was a pissed off anarchist.
Is Erdogan himself compatible with Democratic values and procedures?
Alpha and Omega yo, tagged it up on Lamm Road without really knowing doe. |Just the beginning, I am the Ω.>
Alpha and Omega yo, tagged it up on Lamm Road without really knowing doe. |Just the beginning, I am the Ω.>
The end.
Was like 20 or somethin.
Welcome Barlee Marlee :)
Remember when I told you we needed revolution as Biofilo Panclasta?
Yes we do
What a joke. Do not respect minorities, do not respect free press, he violates Human Rights. Turkey should aplied yo be a member of other nations that shares Turkey’s values.
Never!
My opinion, never!
hahahahahahaahahahahahahahahahahahhhhhhhhahahahahah
No…
Aha ha. .. the most silly question ever!
This person destroy Turkey!
this is a fair question
NEVER!!!!!!!
NEVER
No. Turkey is not proper for Europe now and in the near future. We already have instability in east for proper equal rights. We dont need other undemocratic partia at the table. Let s stabilize the EU for now, not extend it until its broken from inside
Isn’t it a bit too late to ask?! You were significant part of the creation of Erdogan’s Turkey!
No
Never and by no means ! Even a democratic Turkey has nothing to do within a European Union but specific preferred relationship could exist then.
No.
Ya’ll are in solidarity with Rojavan autonomy, right?
1117
No. Turkey is occupying the land of a member state Cyprus… in case you have forgotten…. Also many other issues are open violating everyday human rights and showing an arrogant political stand….
Ibrahim Uzun Shut the fuck up, what about the Greeks u slayed the hgue greek minorites in constantinopole and SMyrnh?And Turk cypriots and Greek cypriots are non of your business and our business. EOKA wasnt greek
Nooooooo! Never!!!
who is funding you with such innocent question ?
absolutly not
noooooooooooo
NO!!!!
Not in this form. It would be somewhat forgiveable if he was a dictator a’la Attaturk, but he appears to be aiming more towards a sultan (and not a wise/benevolent type). The catch is the fact that Turkey is holding EU by the b@lls with refugees and NATO/Russia. Will be interesting to see how this all plays out.
politician corruption in al EU states is not compatible with direct democracy
Turk Mongolians are suitable to an Eurasian union.
NOOOOOOOOOO. But also No to Hungary and Poland
Maybe next century .
NO NO NO!
Obviously NOT
It will never be and we should never forget what they did to Armenians and what are they doing now to Kurds. Least of all give them an opportunity to try to that to any of us.
http://markhumphrys.com/turkey.modern.html
http://markhumphrys.com/turkey.html
Beside only reason they are even in NATO is geopolitical interests and if they want to maintain good relations with us they will learn their place or you should apply some pressure until they understand that they need us far more then we need them. This is what geopolitics with Russia is all about and why Turkey is that bold that they dare to blackmail us with mess they created.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6njHg4TGBfc
This is what Turkey have been doing with civil war in Syria from beginning of this. That is why this mess with mass immigration is their fault.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=heUzDndfw8E
And greeks genocides… assyrians .. cyprus. Their crimes are terrible against christians and any other RACE(IDIGENOUS) .
Second link is for their whole history.
Second link is for their whole history.
Hell no!
No.
No
I thought that it became obvious for everyone that it isn’t compatible after the coup. Have I missed something?
No.
NO.
NO.
Absolutely No. But before Erdogan Turkey was a little more democratic than now!
NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO!!!!!!!!
NO !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Absolutly not!!
Unfortunatly no…… it is a pitty. Turkey could offer much.
NO
NO!!! NEVER !!!!
Why? Is Europe compatible with it self and the principles that founded the EU?
Not at all!
Not at all
Never!
No…. more
Is it really worth asking the question???
never!
Is that a rhetorical question?
Of course not. And we must stop considering what’s happening in Turkey as “their problem” just because he got democractically elected.
No !!!!!!!!!!!
No, and it’s not geting better, with the “coup” excuse to persecute opponents and critics, along with the ascent of islamism in society and in the state apparatus, Turkey is quickly turning into just another sharia loving Middle Eastern ditactorship.
No way!!
They are blasphems. In christians Pasxa they have referendum. So only muslims can survive in their country during we build mosques respecting all religions. They are barbars…threatening daily greece cyprus syria iraq(trying to took pieces) and burning kurds villages and murdering people. They hate europe and our values. Power of hate against any RACE or religion and the love of superiority to the other nations that they dont even recognize their exist-not even the idigenous minorities,shows a very dangerous team of islamists wolfs that dreams an empire once again in their bloody history.
No
no
At the moment no
…veeery funny
NO!
ΝΟ
ΝΟ
no
Does anyone think yes?
I wish, but it isn’t even close…
Who? The fascist?
Just don’t forget how Merkel got him involved in EU and put him in the position to threat EU!
Absolutely!
Fits perfectly with unelected ECB officials and unofficial Eurogroup blackmails to small countries.
absolutely and emphatically not
NO
Never
No
No- he is looking for strongman politics and seeking for a war to show off that he is not weak- Misguided supporters are mistaking this as well as leadership, rather than overcompensating for a weak position
No
The question we should ask is : is the EU compatible with its member states ? And the answer is No.
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Depends if you want Turkey to stop millions of financial migrants entering the Schengen area or not.
… hasn’t EU also paid something like 3bn to make Turkey stop the flow?
Giulia Noia Dipresa
They also promised the Turks access to Schengen and then membership of the EU, promises broken so why should Turkey honour any deal with Brussels ?
A nasty business paying someone else to do the EU’s dirty work don’t you think.
Yep, sometimes I wonder on what level EU burocrats take decision like this one… I mean is that the best way they can elaborate foreign policies?
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It’s what happens when second rate & failed politicians are given ultimate power.
I think it’s mostly their fault if EU isn’t working as it should… I mean I myself think that the Union could be something really useful for all the members, everyone could grow a lot even if each country is so different from the others… but when I hear that someone want to have its “own speed” leaving others behind… then what’s the point?! We should all be equally important members…
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The ideas of equality and solidarity in the EU are lies, the truth as ever is ‘who pays the piper calls the tune’ & in the case of the EU the piper is Berlin.
“Erdogan’s” Turkey in EU? LOL why not? Next step Kim’s North Korea.
If only it was just Erdogan. Unfortunately for the EU the huge potential customer base of Turkish citizens have proved that the majority are Erdogan. Keep EU citizens safe and strike a trade deal only. No visa-free EU travel.
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Brussels has said that is impossible, no free movement = no trade deal.
The EU has agreements with lots of countries, including Turkey: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/European_Union_free_trade_agreements
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Economic_Partnership_Agreements
No way! And it is not just Erdogan’s Turkey. It’s Turkey as a whole. They have a totally different political and scocial culture plus a totaly incompatible religion
Definitly NOT !
Nope, never was and never would be.
Turkey should be booted out of NATO after Erdogan’s threats against EU citizens.
#Removekebab
attaturk wil remain the only 1 great turk they have Erdogan is a Zionist puppet.
No! But what did you do to stop him?! What EU did to support the democracy in Turkey?! Nothing!
is the eu now responsible for the democracy in Turkey?? i don’t think so. let’s stay out of it…
Then why EU doesn’t stay out of Syria and so many other countries?!
Because shias and sunny murderers they genocide the last christians there that needs our protection from rats and racists killers
His organization feeds from fears. If Turkish people were aware that Europe is there for economical support (tourism, investments etc.), or that we are on the same page with subjects like border security (Syrian war), terror (ISIS) etc., they’d not have to be so much powerful to get people vote for dictatorship today. But all Europe did was extra threatening: If this continues then Turkey is out of Europe. And all this leads to more fears, and more power for the authoritarian. So this post is actually very relevant.
The democracy in Turkey is better than in Bulgaria,
The economy in Turkey is better than in Greece,
The living standards in Turkey are better in the most Eu country’s,
So what are you talking about ?
There are many good things in Turkey but today you don’t have democracy! Obviously it is right what people say: “The fish don’t have a word for water”.
Better North Corea – atleast more democratic …
Not even a little.
I don’t think so.
Its not even compatible with UN membership
Hahaha that would be a great joke fifteen days ago :-P
What a stupid question!
Matter of choice
turkey should withdraw membership application.
european politics to hostage to leftovers from 1939
This is not even a topic to address Turkey is not European neither by history nor ethnically..nor with anything..nothing in common!
This awful Eu thinks only to money. The rest doesn’t count.
They want to occupute west… they are racists nationalists muslims imperiors. In Pasqua they have referendum to humiliate christianity. They dont respect no other state or religion or race except those that they used them and victimize only themselves-poor muslims that crusaders hates them-but they violate all borders because was… othomans 200 years ago,they have referendum in Pasqua and they want centrical big mosques in all our capitals.. They love blood tortures and murders. Europe has other values. These crimes against humanity should stop or call an International court
I know you have to much hatred against Turkey ,
But :
Before you start you hatred you should know this ,
In Greece in alexandroupoli the Greek fanatics burn down 600 years old Muslim mosque,
In imathia 3 weeks ago the Greek police shut down Muslims mosque despite had all the permition from the local council.
I helvete heller!
No, not a chance!
I helvete heller!
No, not a chance!
I helvete heller!
No, not a chance!
I helvete heller!
No, not a chance!
Are you mad
The democracy in Turkey is better than in Bulgaria,
The economy in Turkey is better than in Greece,
The living standards in Turkey are better in the most Eu country’s,
So what are you talking about ?
Talking about a dictator?
Ibrahim, silencing/imprisoning/exiling your problems (economic or political or religious) is not a valid European solution. Economies especially come and go.You had a “coup” a few months ago or whatever that was. Your people tend to have short-memory though. Next time you have headache, will you cut your head to make it go away?
Valeria Tancredi
Yes I’m talking about Mussolini
Αλέξανδρος Γεροφωτης I don’t have any hatred for any one, my religion forbid me to hate the people that’s why I don’t have headaches , but if you want to make the things differently you are mostly well come to cut your head and walk again.
Ibrahim Uzun Mussolini has gone…. it has been a very terrible page of Italian history (I am ashamed about him….)that we left behind us. Your dictator is increasing his power day by day.That’s the simple difference…anyhow I don’t care if you dream an Islamic republic,where freedom has strong limitations ….I only hope that after that you don’t beging to run away from your rich and prosperous country for going to live to the rest of Europe…..
You are a dictatorship that is the problem
Erdogan is a dictator. You can’t justify him being a dictator because Europe has had dictators in the past. They are dead and buried. They are the reason the whole EU process started in the first place.
How many times have I answered NO? How many times do we have to answer NO?
https://youtu.be/Gj3-a08ALiU
Ότι είναι η χ.α στην Ελλάδα αυτός είναι κ ο Ολλανδός φασίστας στην Ολλανδία.
Ίδια σκατα είναι.
Μπορεί και να είναι, γιαυτό όλοι οι προθυπουργοί πρέπει να φεύγουν αν δεν κάνουν το καθήκον τους προς τον λαό.
Iμπραήμ, το πρόβλημα δεν είναι τα πρόσωπα και οι ομάδες…Το πραγματικό πρόβλημα είναι το τι πρεσβεύουν και τι μηνύματα προωθούν..Ο κ. Ερντογάν, έχει περάσει σε ένα παραλήρημα μισαλλοδοξίας, άνευ προηγουμένου, για να συσπειρώσει έναν πυρήνα ατόμων με εθνικιστικές τάσεις και φρονήματα…Το τελευταίο διάστημα το μονο που ακούμε απο τον πρόεδρο της “Δημοκρατίας” της Τουρκίας (άκουσον άκουσον) είναι απειλές και κακουχίες για τους Έλληνες, τους Ολλανδούς τους Γάλλους τους Ευρωπαίους κλπ. κλπ. Κατ’εμέ θα ηταν σώφρων, αν ο Τουρκικός λαός έβγαινε απο το τρυπάκι της διχόνοιας, που ολοένα και μεγαλώνει, και να αποφάσισει αν θέλει να διοικείται απο έναν τρομακτικά αδίστακτο Σουλτάνο Η οχι..Καλημερα
Bit of a nonsensical question. There is even consensus among EU politicians that current Turkey is not compatible. We don’t have to open a pseudo-debate.
Do you need to ask?
A Turkey that adopts EU beliefs of Democracy religious tolerance and good relations with neighbours in a Win-win manner is a Turkey wanted as an EU partner. I am not sure that at this stage EU membership is feasible due to political considerations in both the EU and Turkey. However we need to find ways to cooperate. Issues like Cyprus, Syria, affect both.. So we need to build stronger dependencies so that common interests unite us and conflicts averted…
Everything you said is correct. Unfortunately it all depends on one factor. The absolute reversal of the innate and intrinsic character of Turkey (policies, agressiveness, mentality, people and poiticians). Do not expect such a change in our lifetime! Since they first appeared in our area, 1000 years ago, they have remained exactly the same!
Well if Hungarian Victor Orban is, why not Erdogan ?
No comparison.
Fuck no
It surely has a lot in common with Nazi Germany.
simple answer: NO
Stronzi Turchi, ohhh
Stronzi Turchi, ohhh
Stronzi Turchi, ohhh
Stronzi Turchi, ohhh
NO!!!!!!!!!!!!
well, many EU countries like the style for themselves, so…
Is somebody like Erdogan, who is currenltly seeking to hold hegemony to himself, really willing to enter a community where sovereingty is given to supranational structures?
Ja ja evet evet evet evet evet evet
Not even as a joke!
What a question!
Happy Ester :D
Ordogan is compatible with PUTIN only.
Not now and not ever…..
http://markhumphrys.com/turkey.modern.html
http://markhumphrys.com/turkey.html
A Sheep No More
Nein
Up to the moment the answer is kinda obvious! :p
No , of course.
Yes
No, but neither is Kaczyński’s Poland nor Orban’s Hungary.
Of course not
Hüseyin Demirezen
:/
Is it compatible with democracy? Not really. :/
It is compatible at the same rate as Russia. Are the authoritarian states compatible with EU membership?
The question must have been like this: “Is EU compatible with Turkey?” NO. Because EU is a corrupt and hypocrite bloc. France, South Korea and the US are also presidential democracy, but when it comes to Turkey, you start behaving like a butthurt lol
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Its either Turkey in the EU or millions more migrants entering the EU, a pity the people posting here will never get a say in it.
The unelected European Commission will decide and you will pay the price, either way.
Not unelected, just indirect elected. When People vote in European Elections they actually vote for EC too!
Γιώργος Ζεγκλίνας
Which El Presidente candidate did you vote for ?
‘Appointed’ is not elected.
English people doesn’t belong to EU. So take care of your islands!
Yes, we elect members of european parlament!
Jose GM
But you do NOT elected the European Commission.
Is European racism and xenophobia compatible with Turkey, is better question, rather than dangling the proverbial carrot that’ll never be.
Hell no !!!!!!
You got to be kidding me!
Nnnnnnnnnnnnnnooooooooooooooooooootttttttttttttttttttttt,Is not Compatible….:).
It should be, as EU was one of his main promoters until recently
Of course not!!
It’s never going to happen now.
I dont think so. Dictatorship is not acceptable in Europe
Since they force people to do what they know it’s not the best for them, so ya they are more than vompatible
Since they force people to do what they know it’s not the best for them, so ya they are more than vompatible
Since they force people to do what they know it’s not the best for them, so ya they are more than vompatible
If the core principles of the European Union are based on democratic values, pluralism, market economy, and unrestricted freedom of expression, Endorgan’s Turkey should be excluded from the European project.
I agree! But radicals just see their point of view!!!
He did help found ISIS threatens violence in Europes streets by floodingbit with refugees amoungst them jihadists, of course what could go wrong Erdogan is one with the CLOWN show puppets running the EU
What a question ? NO. Turks will never have european values….maybe others good to them but not to us.
Now that turkey is a sultanate has thr standard of democracy to join the eu.
Eu is not democracy. Death to the eu!
Freedom from it!
People first.
I prefer 100 lives in EU countries then in Turkey or other countries like this and there is no respect for others like people who want to death other people!
Just give europe a few more years and all of us shall see.
The europe is already showing us it’s true nature.
And it’s not democracy nor wealth for the people.
Poverty, autocracy and destruction of rights.
Andrea Scacchi dude ,what are you smoking? you should be happy for living in the EU.
No! Erdogan is another Assad! They like power and don,t respect others parties!
NO DICTATORSHIPS AREN`T SUPPOSEDLY
It wasn’t before Erdogan, why should it be now? Are you insane?
It this some kind of joke?
No. Not anymore.
If you think it ever was you have no idea how Turkey really works. Do you think people that voted for Erdogan appeared just last night ?
They made great strides towards membership with constitutional reform in the late 90s early 2000s. But this has all been undone.
And they fucked it for one night ?
And they fucked it for one night 😂
Well they have been fucking it up for a while. This is just the cherry on top
Duirmuid Mac Sean Do you realize that thing you are talking happened 30 years ago ? And they happened just because they wanted the money from the pre-join programs AND a lot of preferred trade deals which is pretty much the only thing they cared about and NOT really joining. Looks like you haven’t dealt much with turks in your life :) Their first thought is “how to screw that ‘trade partner'”. I’m putting “trade partner” in quotes coz for them you are just a scam victim . It’s in their culture.
it has never been; probably never will be…
I don’t expected to known another dictador in my life.
No turkey should be thrown out of nato
Probably not, but Turkey does not want to be a EU member anyway, so the question is irrelevant… Peace
Thought onky the greeks didnt want turkey to e.u.
Impressed to see ppl from many wuropean countries tk express against them..
If Turkey dont remove military troops from north cyprus, which is assumed by all in e.u that is european soil that its been occupied, then in my opinion e.u. shoukdbt even consider turkey as a potential e.u. countty.
Many thungs are wrong there…(Istanbul Ankara and Izmir majority voted no yo jis referendum. Thats nkt a coincidence)
Seriously ?
Only Constantinople is in Europe the rest of Turkey is in Asia
there is no Constantinople in Turkey. it is Istanbul since 1453!
Do you mean is tin poli.?to the city?
Do you mean is tin poli?to the city
Do you mean is tin poli?to the city?
How corrupt or stupid is the EU?? The answer: Both and very corrupt and stupid.. Just watch
al EU states have corruption cumplicity with politicians, what are UE doing to fight this corruption plague?
Of course not..need to ask?
Of course yes, EU is not democratic, Turkey the same, so they match perfectly.
Jelena Lara Marinković plz procitaj
the question should be states as “is the EU going to stop supporting Erdogan anytime soon?” seriously people, do you think that Erdogan got that much power and risen without any support from the EU? funny fact! remember Merkel is one of the biggest supporter of Erdogan!
The point is whether Turkey is compatible with EU membership or whether E.U. is strong enough to be humanistic and respect its own citizens in the first place?
No, definitely NO!
Absolutely no way. Erdogan’s Turkey is a dictatorship, not a democracy!
No, never been.
Ahahahaha NO!
how is this even a question?
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Don’t be silly, Turkey is a democracy so does not fit in with EU ideology.
AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH
Leonardo Monteiro .
Did you vote for El Presidente Juncker ?
Potato head…
Ivan Burrows A democracy witha dictatorial constitution.
Miguel Hilário
Not only that but it is a constitution rejected by the French and then renamed the Lisbon treaty to bypass the democratic process.
The EU is a union built on deceit, half truths & lies.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/europe/4592243.stm
Ivan needs to take off the tinfoil hat.
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