Has Turkey’s President Erdoğan gone too far? Following a failed coup in July 2016, the Turkish leader has acted quickly to arrest or dismiss anybody deemed to be a potential threat to his regime. Tens of thousands of people have been detained; media organisations have been shut down, and roughly 120,000 people have been fired from their public sector jobs. President Erdoğan is currently pushing to reform the country’s constitution, consolidating sweeping powers into the office of the president.
It’s not that long ago that Turkey was being held up as an exemplar of secular democracy in the Muslim world. Many pro-democracy revolutionaries during the Arab Spring looked to the Turkish model. So, what went wrong? Why is Turkey following the path of illiberal democracy?
What do our readers think? We had a comment sent in from Siegfried on our ‘Suggest a Debate’ page, wondering whether Erdoğan’s Turkey was still compatible with EU membership, given the recent government crackdown.
Is Erdoğan’s Turkey compatible with EU membership? We asked Members of the European Parliament (MEPs) from all sides of the political spectrum to stake out their positions on this question, and it’s up to YOU to vote for the policies you favour. See what the different MEPs have to say, then vote at the bottom of this debate for the one you most agree with! Take part in the vote below and tell us who you support in the European Parliament!
Radical Left
Thomas Händel (GUE/NGL), Member of the European Parliament:
Not at all. The core values of the European Union are democracy and human rights, freedom of expression, freedom of press, and the rule of law. None of those are respected at the moment in Turkey. The EU should withdraw from all negotiations and halt any payments made related to the candidate status of Turkey. That’s the only way we have to express our concerns in a way the Turkish government understands.
Social Democrats
Eva Kaili (S&D), Member of the European Parliament:
Greens
Bodil Valero (Group of the Greens), Member of the Committee on Civil Liberties, Justice and Home Affairs and the Committee on Security and Defence:
I think that we have to make a distinction between Turkey and Erdoğan. Because Turkey, formally, is a democracy, and there are a lot of democratic Turks who would like membership of the European Union. But it’s very, very difficult to negotiate membership with Erdoğan. Things are going in the wrong direction in Turkey under his leadership… So, I would say that EU membership is not compatible with Erdoğan, but it could be with another leader.
Liberal Democrats
Marietje Schaake (ALDE), Substitute Member of the Committee on Foreign Affairs and the Committee on Human Rights:
Centre Right
Jaromír Štětina (EPP), Member of the Committee on Foreign Affairs and Substitute Member of the Committee on Civil Liberties, Justice and Home Affairs:
No, the [Turkish] regime is not respecting European democratic principles. But, at the same time, I do not support the freezing of accession talks with [Turkey]. It is vital to distinguish between the current regime and the Turkish people. We need to keep the dialogue open and maintain our criticism until the situation gets better.
Conservatives
Anna Fotyga (ECR), Chair of the Subcommittee on Security and Defence and Member of the Committee on Foreign Affairs:
Eurosceptics
Laura Ferrara (EFDD), Member of the Committee on Civil Liberties, Justice and Home Affairs and Substitute Member of the Committee on Foreign Affairs and Subcommittee on Human Rights:
The situation of fundamental rights in Turkey is actually very controversial, especially after the coup d’état of the last summer. I’m afraid, unfortunately, that this situation is incompatible with EU membership. We hope, however, that Turkey could swiftly restart her path towards a better acknowledgement of the rule of law and fundamental rights.
Curious to know more about Turkey’s path to EU membership? We’ve put together some facts and figures in the infographic below (click for a bigger version).
You’re talking crap. So what if dictators get elected by the people it does not make them good people, with good policies, it just makes them good at duping idiots or at conspiracy making. Have you heard of the democratic hero named Hitler or any number of African numbnut presidents that started civil wars so they could remain in power after their term ended?
Plus you are infinitely clueless on how the EU works.
Through its actions Turkey has shown that it never was compatible with the EU and Never will be compatible with the EU . One just has to look at the British State Sponsored Turkish Military invasion and occupation of EU member Cyprus since 1974, which has provided the Britsih Military bases in Cyprus a security advantage against American efforts since 1950 to expel the Britsih Military bases from Cyprus and replace them with American military bases in Cyprus, sparking Turkish Military violations on Greek sovereignty in the Aegean since the 80s. Wonder how President Trump with his American First Policies, will react to the trachery commited by Britain and Turkey in Cyprus against the United States since 1950. Will President Trump demand British and Turkish military forxces leave Cyprus immediately. Only time will tell.
We are not blaming anyone. Cyprus is a Member-State of the EU that has FOREIGN invading forces from Turkey for many decades now. By what right are the Turks occupying EU sovereign territory?This has to stop. You understand that Turkey gains an unhealthy advantage against the EU by having invasion forces on European soil, right? And what a surprise, the British are making things more difficult again for the EU…
John Zervas Turkey has gone to Cyprus to protect its citizens from the Greek Cypriot eoka terrorist organisation, why you don’t mention at all the atrocities from your side agains the Turkish Cypriot population ? that’s why Turkey is there to protect its citizens.
Alex
Ibrahim Uzun Turkish citizens??? They were supposed to be Cypriot citizens not turkish citizens. If they are turkish citizens they should go back to Turkey.Otherwise they are traitors to their own country (Cyprus)
UknownWarrior
The European part of Turkey should be Greek. It was meant to be in the year 1922. All of the Aegean islands should be Greek and this includes Tenedos and Imbros.
Turkey occupied Cyprus with its military. There were Turks there, but the Islands was predominantly Greek inhabited.
The answer is that Turkey should not be allowed to join the EU!!
Of course it is not. Its moving away from democracy and pluralism at high speed. But where was all the positive praise and improvements from the European side ten years ago when Turkey was making huge steps towards democracy and rule of law? Maybe if the EU has made some concessions in that time Erdogan could now not use the EU as one of his scapegoats he rallies his supporters against.
because, as far as I understand Erdogan does not want apply to EU anymore (from de 28 dossiers, there is only one completed – i read a few month ago in na european magazine) and recente declarations from some leaders in EU made me think they are not interested in any enlargement anymoe. maybe i´m wrong but that´s the idea i´ve got from several news.
As long as Erdogan is in power, a Turkish membership is impossible. Even if he were to be de-throned (yes that is the correct verb, Sultans get dethorned not outvoted) it’s a political matter. If Turkey was to become a Member State, it would have even more votes than France in the EU. The French will never agree to that. So Turkey will never become a member of the EU. It is simple as that. Finally, do not get fooled by the image Turkey gives to us all, it only advertises how it’s coastal parts look which by the way are heavily influenced by European values since they stand on ancient greek and byzantine cities. The coastal parts of Turkey were always more politically civilized. However the coastal parts are a very small part of Turkey. If you want to see the real Turkey, just go and see what happens behind the coastal parts, it’s chaos.
Uğur Kerti don’t. Feel pity for your countrymen who are pinned down by a vicious dictator.
Alex
Uğur Kerti Hi Ugur. Why do you say that? Do you feel like that invasion also never happened? Or that the Ottoman empire/invasion was good or european or whatever?
I dont agree with some MEPs who say it us only Erdogan that is incompatible with the EU and that the people are. If anything, Erdogans rules simply revealed and highlighted the fact that many Turkish citizens are incompatible with the EU. It is Turkish citizens that murder Homosexuals and transgenders, it us Turkish citizens who had machetes under their beds and beheaded soldiers in the coup, it is Turkish citizens in the police force who tortured dissenters and alleged coup participants, Turkish citizens voted for Erdogan by majority vote therefore support all he espouses. It is Turkey and most if its citizens that do not belong in the EU. We do not share the same values for democracy and freedom of choice.
…if there was ever a ‘leading question’ competition this would qualify as an absolute winner here. Give us a break & don’t waste our time asking the obvious.
…if there was ever a ‘leading question’ competition this would qualify as an absolute winner here. Give us a break & don’t waste our time asking the obvious.
Your comment is incorrect, Erdoğan was elected by the people whereas dictators are not elected, Just as your president Juncker wasn’t.
Alex
Your comment is incorrect. The government was elected by the people. The government and the rest of the turkish parliament made Erdogan into a President, a President whose sole role is to ensure the democratic rule of the ruling parties, not to take powers into his own hands.
Erdogan might have been elected by some people, but his coup last year and the following imprisonments and murders is the proof that he is a proto-dictator.
Hitler was elected and didn’t stop him from using a dictatorial model
The main problem for turkey to join the EU is that in case of being a memeber, it wiil be the bigest state in the club!!!!and moreover is 99% muslim country!!!!That is the real obstacle for the EU!!!!as far as the democratic deficiency in turkey is just a justification and not a reason!!!!,,EU is not so sensitive to these things sush democratic righrs !!!we see it in ucraine supporting the Meintan nazi elements !!!!???!the jihandists in syria etc!!!
It’s not Erdoğan in particular but the thing is that Turkey is not compatible with the union as a whole. It is a huge land populated by 80 million, so there are dramatic differences between the regions and cultures within the country. Europe is not capable of handling this situation and there is not any justifiable reason to bother doing so anyway. Besides, the membership thing has fallen off the agenda for a while in Turkey -this is true even for the non-nationalists. For the pro-governments Europe is going down, so why would we be a part of this failure? For the anti-governments the pro-government Muslims will mess it up with their embarrassing ideologies and religious acts, so it is better for them to be a part of Europe individually -not as a society. Needless to say, I am just making generalizations.
It’s not Erdoğan in particular but the thing is that Turkey is not compatible with the union as a whole. It is a huge land populated by 80 million, so there are dramatic differences between the regions and cultures within the country. Europe is not capable of handling this situation and there is not any justifiable reason to bother doing so anyway. Besides, the membership thing has fallen off the agenda for a while in Turkey -this is true even for the non-nationalists. For the pro-governments Europe is going down, so why would we be a part of this failure? For the anti-governments the pro-government Muslims will mess it up with their embarrassing ideologies and religious acts, so it is better for them to be a part of Europe individually -not as a society. Needless to say, I am just making generalizations.
No. This is a stupid question. Turkey currently doesn’t meet basic requirements for EU membership, including those on personal liberty, freedom of the press and of course capital punishment.
Of course not. Turkey”s chances 10 years ago was far higher than now.
Tarquin Farquhar
@DEBATINGEUROPE
No; however, the EU welcomed many basketcase nations from the Club Med and the Balkans into the EU already and this has provided inspiration/ammunition for Turkey re joining the EU.
If Turkey does not join the EU, it will be seen as an anti-Islamic situation from Ankara – the EU has dug itself into a very deep hole.
Turkey should join UK – it has so many friends there and is much more compatible with their values than than with EU…
Duncan
Care to give any examples? Or is this just more rhetoric based on dislike rather than facts?
Tarquin Farquhar
@Maia Alexandrova
EU values? Don’t you mean ‘Banana Federation’ values!
Without the UK, the EU will quickly shift to become a ‘Latin bloc’ – then watch the already high levels of corruption and unaccountability go through the roof.
Note the meeting of the new ‘European-Axis-of-Evil’ today in Portugal featuring 7 countries not lauded for their transparency, accountability or democratic credentials.
It is only a matter of time before the 2nd, 3rd and 4th biggest Eurozone economies start to coerce Germany et al to do what’s good for them…NASTY!
because, as far as I understand Erdogan does not want apply to EU anymore (from de 28 dossiers, there is only one completed – i read a few month ago in na european magazine) and recente declarations from some leaders in EU made me think they are not interested in any enlargement anymoe. maybe i´m wrong but that´s the idea i´ve got from several news.
No! Never. Are you really serious asking this question? Have you not been following the recent events in Turkey?
Duncan
The answer is so obviously no that the mind boggles as to why this is even being asked. Here’s another question you should put to debate; “Do we really need air to breathe?”
In the eyes of the imperialist-lead Europe is a great market and big economy. They don’t care about such stupid questions as religion or compability!!!
Faddi Zsolt, you are right, Turkey is a great market. Why don’t you build your own community with the Middle East countries and the former soviet Turkish countries? An alliance of all Muslim dictators
What kind of “democracy” in a country of ~80mio, where +90% are Muslims? Turkish “secular Muslim Sharia democracy” = Universal European democratic values?
Is the EU still clinging to the belief that a signatory to the 1990 Cairo Declaration on Human Rights in Islam- which is not “UNIVERSAL” but based on religious Islamic Shari’a Law- will ever become ECHR compliant? Except, the EU writes another “treaty” to introduce Sharia & sign up to the CDHRI.
What is so difficult to understand when its political leader waves the Quran in both hands and aims to capture the executive sultana presidency, replacing the existing parliamentary system of government?
Just keep’s all the EU bureaucrats busy talking & guessing for a few more years.
the title and subtitle are in contradiction !!! wtf
Turkey isn”t at all compatible with the EU!! it is a muslim country and the EU is by default a christian establishment … (although evrybody would deny it)!! everybody who talks about good turkey
I don’t know of any Islamic dictatorship from Middle East that has anything in common with European Union do you? So quit asking idiotic question about future EU members that are not Europeans firstly and not democratic secondly !!!
And the EU is so democratic, by continually violating the sovereignity of its member states. You know what, I say we ditch the EU membership deal. Perhaps renegotiate the rest of the deals too.
Alex
Yeah, the treaty of Sevres need to come back to the table ASAP
Certainly not, he made a law allowing him to be president until 2029. Do you think that’s democratic? Or do you think the coup was not planned to strengthen his power? No , no, no. Erdogan has not respect for Turkish people , do you think he has for the EU?
Lets grow up please….what more proof do you need to understand that this man is a DICTATOR !!! You guys are crazy to even think of writing an article on this matter !!!!
The workers of the EU are not compatible with EU memebership. The EU is a wolfden of capitalists. Our industries, farmers, fishing has been destroyed by the EU and the captalism it supports. All countries should exit such an organisation..
E.U are primarily petrified of Turkey because of its population size and armed forces. Turkey should have been allowed in 10 years ago before Erdoğan became to powerful.
Well, back then, most of the country’s infastructure, economy and civil rights were considered to be “incompatible” with EU standards. You know what, the AKP regime did as a matter of fact made Turkey compatible with EU standards, but at the expense of national sovereignity and pride. This is why we nationalists always opposed him, while the EU praised him. Now we get questions like “is Erdoğan’s Turkey compatible with the EU”. Well, that is like offering him your direct support by giving him just another reason to push this precidency deal on us, by saying that the European Union is wary of it, so it must be good. I know for a fact it isn’t, but the EU’s stance is not making our case any easier.
E.U are primarily petrified of Turkey because of its population size and armed forces. Turkey should have been allowed in 10 years ago before Erdoğan became to powerful.
Well, back then, most of the country’s infastructure, economy and civil rights were considered to be “incompatible” with EU standards. You know what, the AKP regime did as a matter of fact made Turkey compatible with EU standards, but at the expense of national sovereignity and pride. This is why we nationalists always opposed him, while the EU praised him. Now we get questions like “is Erdoğan’s Turkey compatible with the EU”. Well, that is like offering him your direct support by giving him just another reason to push this precidency deal on us, by saying that the European Union is wary of it, so it must be good. I know for a fact it isn’t, but the EU’s stance is not making our case any easier.
doesn’t God protect everyone equally? Rulers and commoners. Foe & friends. Rich & poor. Believers & non Believers? Isn’t the one God an unselective one- or?
erdoğan diktatör değildir millet tarafından seçilmiş cumhurbaşkanıdır mazlum fakir aç insanları da korur sizin gazeteler medya sizi yanlış bilgilen diriyor türkiye de demokrasi vardır hukuk vardır.
ab de satılmış gazeteciler var türkiye yi karalamak için para ile satın alınmış bu medya gazeteciler siz gerçekleri bilmiyorsunuz türkiye ye gelin gerçekleri görün
diktatör dört milyon savaşdan kaçan suriyeli ve ıraklı mülteciyi ülkesin de bakmaz birde bu pencereden bakın gerçekleri görün erdoğan büyük bir liderdir aç insanlar için türkiye otuz milyar harcadı şuana kadar avrupa birliği yardım etmedi etmiyor
Erdoğan is the legitimate president, chosen by the Turkish people in a general election surveyed and approved of the o e cd – observers. He is therefore NOT a dictator.
Even if you do not like the way, he runs Turkey (and I guess perhaps his foreign policy)?
Could you please tell me why there are soo many people in prison ….all those who didn’t agree with his way of thinking are separate. ..principale journalist. …and why did he firred 12.000 employees? ???
Alex
It does not only matter how you come to power. How you stay in power can also turn you in a dictator
erdoğan diktatör değildir millet tarafından seçilmiş cumhurbaşkanıdır mazlum fakir aç insanları da korur sizin gazeteler medya sizi yanlış bilgilen diriyor türkiye de demokrasi vardır hukuk vardır.
ab de satılmış gazeteciler var türkiye yi karalamak için para ile satın alınmış bu medya gazeteciler siz gerçekleri bilmiyorsunuz türkiye ye gelin gerçekleri görün
diktatör dört milyon savaşdan kaçan suriyeli ve ıraklı mülteciyi ülkesin de bakmaz birde bu pencereden bakın gerçekleri görün erdoğan büyük bir liderdir aç insanlar için türkiye otuz milyar harcadı şuana kadar avrupa birliği yardım etmedi etmiyor
I think, it should not be forget that the relation between Turkey and EU based on mutual interest. There are a millions democrats and Kurdish people who are the friend of EU and respect the law and vaulues of Europe. And Turkey is also a big big market for european products. Turkey is not only Erdogan.
What makes you think that the kurds respect democratic values? When they loose elections in Turkey they respond with car bombs! ! The west of Turkey is liberal. The further you come East the more religious they are. And then comes Syria and Iraq on the other side.
The kurds are just like them! Only some Europeans have some romantic notion that the kurds live under a bubble dome where the religious surge go right over and under the dome lives a democratic people with respect for Europe.
But æt no such dome exists. The kurds are precisely the same as the east turks, the Syrians, iranians and the iraqies
Dear Vibeke Schneidermann, we can not say this for all Kurds or Turks. In all countries there are both democrat and extremist people. Turkey is a great country and has almost 80 million people. 1/4 of this people are Kurds. Nobody can say that all Kurds are for car boms or extremist
I would say no, but not so sure since the EU is not able to make a stand against corrupt politicians and appoints commissioners that failed the grilling and failed to get a vote of approval by the Meps. If EU chiefs dismiss such tests and still go ahead why the hell do they have these tests
Hey there Eurofags. I should start off by stating that I am not a fan of Erdoğan and will vote “no” in the upcoming referandum. With this out of the way, I’d like to address this question:
There is no “Erdoğan’s Turkey”. This country does not belong to a specific person, it belongs to the Turkish nation.
And I can’t help but wonder, was Turkey considered to be compatible with the EU before Erdoğan took power? To my knowledge, the European powers were delighted to see Turkey taking a turn to liberalism under his regime before he got the useful idiots out of the way to start claiming power for himself in earnest. Now you begin to ask the question, “Is Erdoğan’s Turkey compatible with the EU”.
Was this question asked in regards to the previous governments?
If not, why now? You are all a bunch of hypocrites, or you’re actually secretly working in his favor by bringing up such questions, because people who praise him often bring up the issue of the Eurofags opposing him in regards to the precidency, and now they’ll got definitive proof for that. Thank you for your time.
If externals questioning the merits of someone’s presidency makes erdogans supporters see that as some kind of proof of legitimacy, that is their problem, and lack of logic
Alex Browne
Well, Alex, their logic is irrelevant, but their votes are relevant.
Besides, that wasn’t my question: what I’m asking is, whether Turkey was compatible with the EU before Erdoğan took power or not. And if so, why they didn’t make Turkey an EU member back then, and why this question regarding Turkey’s compatibility is being brought up now, although it isn’t a new question, it was not asked within the context of which government ruled Turkey, but now, it is. Such questions raise all kinds of doubts in the minds of the people here whether they support Erdoğan or not.
Marius Rusti
Well that’s out of the question though. We won’t give that back.
EU reform- proactive
@ Mehmet Özgün Uluğoğullarından, good day Sir!
…………..”Was this question asked in regards to the previous governments? If not, why now? You are all a bunch of hypocrites……….” Well said & valid criticism!
Would the EU not have shifted its goal post but rather restricted itself to pure economic criteria -when the EEC was created in 1958 (Treaty of Rome)- a Turkey- EEC economic partnership could have been in place after the Ankara Agreement in 1963 was signed.
By burdening “economics” with political, social & ECHR values as conditions afterwards- “check mated” a Turkey- EU partnership of today. The EU was/is acting as a dishonest, hypocritical party, who doesn’t know how to jump over its own erected hurdles.
James Robinson
And well I am not a sucker for the EU. The thing is, I don’t think that the “compatibility” issues have gotten worse, but in fact, better. Other than the Cyprus issue, many things in Turkey have actually moved to be compatible with EU standards.
But that’s what I don’t understand, why is the question asked now.
Hey there Eurofags. I should start off by stating that I am not a fan of Erdoğan and will vote “no” in the upcoming referandum. With this out of the way, I’d like to address this question:
There is no “Erdoğan’s Turkey”. This country does not belong to a specific person, it belongs to the Turkish nation.
And I can’t help but wonder, was Turkey considered to be compatible with the EU before Erdoğan took power? To my knowledge, the European powers were delighted to see Turkey taking a turn to liberalism under his regime before he got the useful idiots out of the way to start claiming power for himself in earnest. Now you begin to ask the question, “Is Erdoğan’s Turkey compatible with the EU”.
Was this question asked in regards to the previous governments?
If not, why now? You are all a bunch of hypocrites, or you’re actually secretly working in his favor by bringing up such questions, because people who praise him often bring up the issue of the Eurofags opposing him in regards to the precidency, and now they’ll got definitive proof for that. Thank you for your time.
Alex Browne
Well, Alex, their logic is irrelevant, but their votes are relevant.
Besides, that wasn’t my question: what I’m asking is, whether Turkey was compatible with the EU before Erdoğan took power or not. And if so, why they didn’t make Turkey an EU member back then, and why this question regarding Turkey’s compatibility is being brought up now, although it isn’t a new question, it was not asked within the context of which government ruled Turkey, but now, it is. Such questions raise all kinds of doubts in the minds of the people here whether they support Erdoğan or not.
I mean led by an autoritharian leader who has been shutting down all opposition with mass arrests, just saying
Btw,ask Kurds what they think about Erdogan
And you know what, the EU aided Erdoğan openly in this, being delighted with the fact that the country was becoming “more liberal”.
Yeah, we have had all forms of asshats in our country, speaking out against out national identity, our history, our legitimacy as a people, freedom of speech hit the top. We tried to stop this increasing degeneracy, but to no avail. Now all these liberal asshats are either in prison or have retired from public life. Serves them just right. Just right.
Most if the kurds actually vote for Erdoğan. They constitute 20-25 percent of the voters and the last thing many of them want is to be ruled by PKK. Or to have from Istanbul, where a quarter of them live and “home” to a Kurdistan that will be at war between themselves in a heartbeat.
I don’t like Erdoğan but this is not his regime and will not be. As you also know -but you don’t express- that EU is two faced community. Was southern cyprus compatible to join EU ? Was croatia was compatible to join EU ? Was poland compatible to join EU ? No, not even now they are compatible. ‘Following a failed coup in July 2016, the Turkish leader has acted quickly to arrest or dismiss anybody deemed to be a potential threat to his regime.’ This starting sentence pointed out that this article is a trash. About the first sentence of article of course you would prefer us to be controlled and governed by a religious (!) fucking puppet fethullah gülen but we don’t want and almost everybody was on streets in that night to prevent the coup, they were successful in doing that. To be objective, I can accept if you claim that Erdoğan is using those people who were against coup and taking political advantage for himself, it can be true and I am also against this situation like many of Turkish citizens.
Well he’s done it before, and no one in Europe cared because the people who were thrown in jail were all patriotic military men, with the people that are now being subject to mass arrests being his accomplices in this, who are part of the Gulen movement, who aided Erdoğan willingly and knowingly, falsifying evidence to support his campaign against nationalists and the military. As for the Kurds, or more specifically the PKK and their legal representatives, they had a deal with the government to withdraw to Iraq, and only kill a few policemen and military personell so that they won’t look like complete tools, and he even gave them free hand in Universities so they could conduct propaganda in relative safety from the police, so that they were free in terrorizing campuses, forcing people to buy their monthly magazines that provide updates and propaganda material for their rage-quest for independence, and generally making all cities less safe for their respective inhabitants. Now Erdoğan does not need them anymore, and all these useful idiots are now having their backs broken, and to be honest, I think that they deserved it for aiding Erdoğan in his quest for being the absolute leader of everything.
And you know what, the EU aided Erdoğan openly in this, being delighted with the fact that the country was becoming “more liberal”.
Yeah, we have had all forms of asshats in our country, speaking out against out national identity, our history, our legitimacy as a people, freedom of speech hit the top. We tried to stop this increasing degeneracy, but to no avail. Now all these liberal asshats are either in prison or have retired from public life. Serves them just right. Just right.
The big question is why us this any of our business, we are leaving the eu so won’t affect us and secondly the way the liberals and left wing are behaving over brexit I think the comments about democracy and fascism is a bit hypocritical, this is becoming less and less a democratic country and is being led towards a semi dictatorship
Abi dolar oldu 4, işsizlik şuanda zirvede, benzin fiyatı dünyanın en pahalısı, alım gücü çok düşük, refah seviyesi yerlerde, Türk lirası tarihi boyunca ilk defa bu kadar kötü durumda, ekonomisi battı dediğimiz Yunanlar bize gülüyorlar, her ay en az bir terör saldırısı oluyor. Sence gerçekten iyi bir ülke böyle mi olmalı? Yandaş medyanın, yalakaların dolduruşuna gelme lütfen. Bu adamlar 14 yıldır bu memlekette 14 yılda hiç bir şeyi düzeltemediler bundan sonra mı düzeltecekler, daha bugün vergi arttırmayı ya da dış borç almayı düşünüyoruz dediler. Dış borç olmuş 480 milyar lira. Memleketin gelir kaynağı sadece vergi üzerine. Üretim 0
Erdoğan is the legitimate president, chosen by the Turkish people in a general election surveyed and approved of the o e cd – observers. He is therefore NOT a dictator.
Even if you do not like the way, he runs Turkey (and I guess perhaps his foreign policy)?
I actually do not think that Erdoğan and Turkey wants to be member of the EU anymore. ..There used to be around 20 percent against, but that number has increased to 50 percent and rising.
By the way, I read your messages under this topic and seemingly you are well informed about Turkey and definitelly balanced views… Some how, any connection with Turkey?
And I do not.love Erdoğan and I do think he is on a quest for power. But what politician is not.
But I can appreciate that he has brought the country financially forward. I can also see that most if the politic that Europe criticises is because he is thinking of Turkey first and last and does not care about Europe and USA. But why should he? They do not care about Turkey.
Regarding human rights and media oppression, I don’t know. It is nothing you feel as an ordinary person and I have also read it in foreign newspapers
But they are usually so wrong in what they write on items, I do know about, so I simply don’t know….
Erdogan has done a good job of getting rid of the ‘useful idiots’ who he used and got him power, now he combines the office of prime minister with his own he will soon be the next sultan…and Attaturk’s efforts to modernise turkey will have been in vain as it goes back to relying on religion and goes the way of iran and saudi.
First he has to win the referendum. Besides the change gives him the construction that corresponds to the one the US have and that is generally accepted and not doomed a dictatorship. At least prior to Trump. The Turkish people is not very religious and it us the part of Erdoğan they don’t like, but put up with because of the other results. He should, however, not push it. But if that becomes the result, then remember, that he actually tried Europe first…..
I actually do not think that Erdoğan and Turkey wants to be member of the EU anymore. ..There used to be around 20 percent against, but that number has increased to 50 percent and rising.
By the way, I read your messages under this topic and seemingly you are well informed about Turkey and have definitelly balanced views… Some how, any connection with Turkey?
And I do not.love Erdoğan and I do think he is on a quest for power. But what politician is not.
But I can appreciate that he has brought the country financially forward. I can also see that most if the politic that Europe criticises is because he is thinking of Turkey first and last and does not care about Europe and USA. But why should he? They do not care about Turkey.
Regarding human rights and media oppression, I don’t know. It is nothing you feel as an ordinary person and I have also read it in foreign newspapers
But they are usually so wrong in what they write on items, I do know about, so I simply don’t know….
First he has to win the referendum. Besides the change gives him the construction that corresponds to the one the US have and that is generally accepted and not doomed a dictatorship. At least prior to Trump. The Turkish people is not very religious and it us the part of Erdoğan they don’t like, but put up with because of the other results. He should, however, not push it. But if that becomes the result, then remember, that he actually tried Europe first…..
Most if the kurds actually vote for Erdoğan. They constitute 20-25 percent of the voters and the last thing many of them want is to be ruled by PKK. Or to have from Istanbul, where a quarter of them live and “home” to a Kurdistan that will be at war between themselves in a heartbeat.
What makes you think that the kurds respect democratic values? When they loose elections in Turkey they respond with car bombs! ! The west of Turkey is liberal. The further you come East the more religious they are. And then comes Syria and Iraq on the other side.
The kurds are just like them! Only some Europeans have some romantic notion that the kurds live under a bubble dome where the religious surge go right over and under the dome lives a democratic people with respect for Europe.
But æt no such dome exists. The kurds are precisely the same as the east turks, the Syrians, iranians and the iraqies
Absolutely compatible, there are millions of Turks only looking for the chance to work in the EU it does not matter there are already millions of unemployed EU orders.
As a Turk I regret to say that by no means today’s Turkey can be integrated to Europe. Corruption, social problems and bad economy are the major reasons. On the other hand some EU member states, especially the new ones aren’t necessarily better than Turkey either however their problems are manageable since those countries are smaller in terms of population. Turkey must embrace the principles of Ataturk and become a well established fully democratic, transparent and an objective legal state. The achievement of this goal under/with the current government is simply impossible.
RECEP TAYYİP ERDOĞAN sadece TÜRKİYENİN DEĞİL dünyadaki bütün MÜSLÜMANLARIN aynasıdır sonsuz güç kuvvet ve kudretin tek sahibi olan CENABI ALLAH yar ve yardimcisi olsun inşALLAH amin
Yunus biz peygamberimizde biliriz milletine deger veren başbakanida biliriz kafanı yorma o konuda yıllardır türk gibi görünüp milleti sòmüren liderler utansin unutmadan PEYGAMBER efendimiz dünyada eşi benzeri olmayan tek insandır onun yolundan gidenlerde atamızdır nokta
with Erdogan, absolutely no, without Erdogan there is still long way to go. the constitution needs to be reformed but not the way the current government is trying to, basically today they are trying to change constitution to give absolute power to one man with no control mechanism. hopefully its going to happen
Miguel Cabrita
I would not respond to rhetorical questions, but instead note that Erdogan insurgence is in part the result of several years of European Mockery with the Turks in the so called negotiations to join the EU, someday they would be tired with the farce, so now we have a dictator in Turkey.
What‘s the point of asking such obvious questions ?
The debate didn‘t even start and it was already over.
Next debate: Is Putin the perfect european president ???
Evet cunku biz AB uyelik surecinde fasillar acip kapayan, ticari ve yuksek duzeyde diplomatik politik iliskiler yuruten bi ulke degiliz. Hadi Singapur tepki verse neyse de AB ne alaka?
Türkiye onbinlerce mülteciye kucak açan onları barındıran besleyen tek ülkedir,Bu sadece Müslümanlarla sınırlı degil,Bu ülke hristiyan bir ülkede olsa yine degişmez kucak açardı.
Mehmet Özgün Uluğoğullarından the only country that violates the sovereignty of other nations is Turkey!!! Look at the daily violation of the Greek boarders and the invasion and occupation by Turkey of northern part of Cyprus. Look at occupation of western Armenia and invasions in Iraq etc, etc. I suppose you don’t encounter all these as you have no idea what democracy and human rights are and respect of other countries’ boarders!
No he is an islamist dictator that has imperialistic plans and still occupies half Cyprus which is a member of Europe and treatens Greece with invasion! !
Stop your famous lies and your propaganda sir ,
Just tell me the reason why Turkey is in Cyprus ?
I tell you why, because you can’t tell the true you are ashamed to tell us the true,
Turkey is in Cyprus to protect the Turkish Cypriots from the EOKA B terrorist organisation, if any one wants to know about the atrocities of this terrorist group they can search on the google,
And you should say big thank you to Turkey because after Turkey came to Cyprus even the Greek Cypriot are living in peace mate.
Only a dead Turkish is a good one…You are all filthy animals…We will not say thank you to Turkey for invading Cyprus assholes ..One day you will pay for your crimes in Cyprus , bastards…
It is not just Erdogan it is also the majority of Turkish citizens who are incompatible as they voted for him, beheaded people in the streets (the coup)and kill transgenders. Let alone the barbaric police force.
Erdogan is only governed better than the whole of Europe together.
Erdogan has played an important role in the fight against terrorism, as Europe is showing mild.
French politics is full of corruption and is under Russian influence
France violates the rights of immigrants
While Turkey protects them
European Union should be dissolved and each state to work for his country
I think Turkey itself is not compatible with EU membership and identity (which the enlargment has perhaps made us forget), let alone Turkey under Erdogan’s rule.
Well Europe already support dictatorship regimes, Poland and alike some from outside like Ukraine and FYROM! It is also supporting Turkey dictatorship with European citizens money without asking none!
No ! But the European leaders are not better…
They continue to support a dictator ,not the only one ,for financial benefits and deals under the table … Meanwhile millions of Turkish immigrants live and work inside their countries , inside growth communities ..
Well. Any country in theory is welcome to EU since that’s the all point of the creation of EU. Now there is some rules. It is not acceptable Turkey with a president that wants all the power for himself and anything that is not quite like what he likes is wrong. So sorry all turkey people but until u somehow really get him out of power is gonna be impossible get inside EU. Now EU have a lot of is own fault on this situation. Erdogan is using this camp of refugees to create the idea that they are accepting everyone in need and we Europe don’t want help people in war created in great part by European states. What that say to the rest of the world? Erdogan is crazy for power but in is way of getting Europe sending money and power to him he just need keep accepting refugees. What in earth Europe think is doing. In this case this man is getting a lot of power because of Europe itself and the crisis of refugees. Europe need start saying enough or will have big problem in the future with this so call president of Turkey. Europe need have qualifications to act and not be afraid of losing some power. Is better lose some power now then in time don’t have any at all forever.
Eu is in mess, after the brexit eu will loose its brain, the fascist party’s are growing in Europe, in the near future small minded politician are going to be in power just like another trump, and like in holland with the fascist freedom party, in Bulgaria the fascist ataka party, in Greece the fascist Golden down party, in France the le pen in power what kind of future eu is going to have ?
With all this mess why Turkey should join the eu ?
Inviting another messy guest to the party when you should be getting your own house in order is about as dumb as you can get. Neither Turkey nor Europe is ready for such a step, and both are currently moving in the wrong direction.
Erdogan’s Turkey is certainly not compatible with EU values, but then again, neither are Kaczynski’s Poland, Orban’s Hungary, Rajoy’s Spain and many others, not to mention Draghi’s ECB and Juncker’s EU itself.
I believe that it is high time that Europe takes a decision series against this dictator, clearly. No against the turkish people, but against a government where his boss is a real fascist Sultan.
Peru is holding Europe as refers Erdogan wants money and power to control our borders and destiny The countries of the EU should call bluff the Erdogan and defend their borders to force Turkey to honor its signature of the protocol of Ankara
Keep out of EU…your history , values have nothing to do with EU…be good to your own people and stick to your country..no one wants another Ottoman empire..your history is full of the blood of Armenians, Greeks, Albaniand.Kurds..and Bondians to name at least…oh and Cypriots too
What a joke. Do not respect minorities, do not respect free press, he violates Human Rights. Turkey should aplied yo be a member of other nations that shares Turkey’s values.
No. Turkey is not proper for Europe now and in the near future. We already have instability in east for proper equal rights. We dont need other undemocratic partia at the table. Let s stabilize the EU for now, not extend it until its broken from inside
No. Turkey is occupying the land of a member state Cyprus… in case you have forgotten…. Also many other issues are open violating everyday human rights and showing an arrogant political stand….
Ibrahim Uzun Shut the fuck up, what about the Greeks u slayed the hgue greek minorites in constantinopole and SMyrnh?And Turk cypriots and Greek cypriots are non of your business and our business. EOKA wasnt greek
Not in this form. It would be somewhat forgiveable if he was a dictator a’la Attaturk, but he appears to be aiming more towards a sultan (and not a wise/benevolent type). The catch is the fact that Turkey is holding EU by the b@lls with refugees and NATO/Russia. Will be interesting to see how this all plays out.
It will never be and we should never forget what they did to Armenians and what are they doing now to Kurds. Least of all give them an opportunity to try to that to any of us.
Beside only reason they are even in NATO is geopolitical interests and if they want to maintain good relations with us they will learn their place or you should apply some pressure until they understand that they need us far more then we need them. This is what geopolitics with Russia is all about and why Turkey is that bold that they dare to blackmail us with mess they created.
No, and it’s not geting better, with the “coup” excuse to persecute opponents and critics, along with the ascent of islamism in society and in the state apparatus, Turkey is quickly turning into just another sharia loving Middle Eastern ditactorship.
They are blasphems. In christians Pasxa they have referendum. So only muslims can survive in their country during we build mosques respecting all religions. They are barbars…threatening daily greece cyprus syria iraq(trying to took pieces) and burning kurds villages and murdering people. They hate europe and our values. Power of hate against any RACE or religion and the love of superiority to the other nations that they dont even recognize their exist-not even the idigenous minorities,shows a very dangerous team of islamists wolfs that dreams an empire once again in their bloody history.
No- he is looking for strongman politics and seeking for a war to show off that he is not weak- Misguided supporters are mistaking this as well as leadership, rather than overcompensating for a weak position
I think it’s mostly their fault if EU isn’t working as it should… I mean I myself think that the Union could be something really useful for all the members, everyone could grow a lot even if each country is so different from the others… but when I hear that someone want to have its “own speed” leaving others behind… then what’s the point?! We should all be equally important members…
The ideas of equality and solidarity in the EU are lies, the truth as ever is ‘who pays the piper calls the tune’ & in the case of the EU the piper is Berlin.
If only it was just Erdogan. Unfortunately for the EU the huge potential customer base of Turkish citizens have proved that the majority are Erdogan. Keep EU citizens safe and strike a trade deal only. No visa-free EU travel.
No way! And it is not just Erdogan’s Turkey. It’s Turkey as a whole. They have a totally different political and scocial culture plus a totaly incompatible religion
His organization feeds from fears. If Turkish people were aware that Europe is there for economical support (tourism, investments etc.), or that we are on the same page with subjects like border security (Syrian war), terror (ISIS) etc., they’d not have to be so much powerful to get people vote for dictatorship today. But all Europe did was extra threatening: If this continues then Turkey is out of Europe. And all this leads to more fears, and more power for the authoritarian. So this post is actually very relevant.
The democracy in Turkey is better than in Bulgaria,
The economy in Turkey is better than in Greece,
The living standards in Turkey are better in the most Eu country’s,
So what are you talking about ?
There are many good things in Turkey but today you don’t have democracy! Obviously it is right what people say: “The fish don’t have a word for water”.
They want to occupute west… they are racists nationalists muslims imperiors. In Pasqua they have referendum to humiliate christianity. They dont respect no other state or religion or race except those that they used them and victimize only themselves-poor muslims that crusaders hates them-but they violate all borders because was… othomans 200 years ago,they have referendum in Pasqua and they want centrical big mosques in all our capitals.. They love blood tortures and murders. Europe has other values. These crimes against humanity should stop or call an International court
I know you have to much hatred against Turkey ,
But :
Before you start you hatred you should know this ,
In Greece in alexandroupoli the Greek fanatics burn down 600 years old Muslim mosque,
In imathia 3 weeks ago the Greek police shut down Muslims mosque despite had all the permition from the local council.
The democracy in Turkey is better than in Bulgaria,
The economy in Turkey is better than in Greece,
The living standards in Turkey are better in the most Eu country’s,
So what are you talking about ?
Ibrahim, silencing/imprisoning/exiling your problems (economic or political or religious) is not a valid European solution. Economies especially come and go.You had a “coup” a few months ago or whatever that was. Your people tend to have short-memory though. Next time you have headache, will you cut your head to make it go away?
Αλέξανδρος Γεροφωτης I don’t have any hatred for any one, my religion forbid me to hate the people that’s why I don’t have headaches , but if you want to make the things differently you are mostly well come to cut your head and walk again.
Ibrahim Uzun Mussolini has gone…. it has been a very terrible page of Italian history (I am ashamed about him….)that we left behind us. Your dictator is increasing his power day by day.That’s the simple difference…anyhow I don’t care if you dream an Islamic republic,where freedom has strong limitations ….I only hope that after that you don’t beging to run away from your rich and prosperous country for going to live to the rest of Europe…..
Erdogan is a dictator. You can’t justify him being a dictator because Europe has had dictators in the past. They are dead and buried. They are the reason the whole EU process started in the first place.
Iμπραήμ, το πρόβλημα δεν είναι τα πρόσωπα και οι ομάδες…Το πραγματικό πρόβλημα είναι το τι πρεσβεύουν και τι μηνύματα προωθούν..Ο κ. Ερντογάν, έχει περάσει σε ένα παραλήρημα μισαλλοδοξίας, άνευ προηγουμένου, για να συσπειρώσει έναν πυρήνα ατόμων με εθνικιστικές τάσεις και φρονήματα…Το τελευταίο διάστημα το μονο που ακούμε απο τον πρόεδρο της “Δημοκρατίας” της Τουρκίας (άκουσον άκουσον) είναι απειλές και κακουχίες για τους Έλληνες, τους Ολλανδούς τους Γάλλους τους Ευρωπαίους κλπ. κλπ. Κατ’εμέ θα ηταν σώφρων, αν ο Τουρκικός λαός έβγαινε απο το τρυπάκι της διχόνοιας, που ολοένα και μεγαλώνει, και να αποφάσισει αν θέλει να διοικείται απο έναν τρομακτικά αδίστακτο Σουλτάνο Η οχι..Καλημερα
Bit of a nonsensical question. There is even consensus among EU politicians that current Turkey is not compatible. We don’t have to open a pseudo-debate.
A Turkey that adopts EU beliefs of Democracy religious tolerance and good relations with neighbours in a Win-win manner is a Turkey wanted as an EU partner. I am not sure that at this stage EU membership is feasible due to political considerations in both the EU and Turkey. However we need to find ways to cooperate. Issues like Cyprus, Syria, affect both.. So we need to build stronger dependencies so that common interests unite us and conflicts averted…
Everything you said is correct. Unfortunately it all depends on one factor. The absolute reversal of the innate and intrinsic character of Turkey (policies, agressiveness, mentality, people and poiticians). Do not expect such a change in our lifetime! Since they first appeared in our area, 1000 years ago, they have remained exactly the same!
Is somebody like Erdogan, who is currenltly seeking to hold hegemony to himself, really willing to enter a community where sovereingty is given to supranational structures?
The question must have been like this: “Is EU compatible with Turkey?” NO. Because EU is a corrupt and hypocrite bloc. France, South Korea and the US are also presidential democracy, but when it comes to Turkey, you start behaving like a butthurt lol
If the core principles of the European Union are based on democratic values, pluralism, market economy, and unrestricted freedom of expression, Endorgan’s Turkey should be excluded from the European project.
He did help found ISIS threatens violence in Europes streets by floodingbit with refugees amoungst them jihadists, of course what could go wrong Erdogan is one with the CLOWN show puppets running the EU
I prefer 100 lives in EU countries then in Turkey or other countries like this and there is no respect for others like people who want to death other people!
Just give europe a few more years and all of us shall see.
The europe is already showing us it’s true nature.
And it’s not democracy nor wealth for the people.
Poverty, autocracy and destruction of rights.
Duirmuid Mac Sean Do you realize that thing you are talking happened 30 years ago ? And they happened just because they wanted the money from the pre-join programs AND a lot of preferred trade deals which is pretty much the only thing they cared about and NOT really joining. Looks like you haven’t dealt much with turks in your life :) Their first thought is “how to screw that ‘trade partner'”. I’m putting “trade partner” in quotes coz for them you are just a scam victim . It’s in their culture.
Thought onky the greeks didnt want turkey to e.u.
Impressed to see ppl from many wuropean countries tk express against them..
If Turkey dont remove military troops from north cyprus, which is assumed by all in e.u that is european soil that its been occupied, then in my opinion e.u. shoukdbt even consider turkey as a potential e.u. countty.
Many thungs are wrong there…(Istanbul Ankara and Izmir majority voted no yo jis referendum. Thats nkt a coincidence)
the question should be states as “is the EU going to stop supporting Erdogan anytime soon?” seriously people, do you think that Erdogan got that much power and risen without any support from the EU? funny fact! remember Merkel is one of the biggest supporter of Erdogan!
The point is whether Turkey is compatible with EU membership or whether E.U. is strong enough to be humanistic and respect its own citizens in the first place?
Do throwing journalist that oppose government and close their media in line with EU values …. shutdown social media access when there is news you do not like …
I am very suprised the MEPs have such short vision as blaming Erdogan for not being compatible with the EU when the majority of Turkish citizen voters obviously support him and it is they who are not compatible with the EU. Turkey will always be a danger to the EU when you depend on the leader not on the majority of the people for compatibility. It only took one Erdogan leader to prove this to the world. And it could happen at anytime an Erdogan style leader gets elected in whichever unlucky decade. This is dangerous if it happens again once Turkey has a secular leader, then votes in another dictator. Based on these facts, they do not belong in the EU-ever. A special trade relationship is enough.
Vote or revolt, if you see it fit. It is your duty. It is a democracy (at least on paper) and for better or worse you ARE responsible what your government is doing.
Karlo Definis Revolt? lmao Dude hits 55-60% in public vote thats more than any EU current leader.He is a dictator with public acceptance, sad but true, dont let em in EU
The EU will do well under the effective leadership of Macron and Merkel. It does not need to expand its frontiers. Turkey is a useful geopolitical buffer with the rising Asiatic civilisations.
Erdogan admires Hitler and his practices. He said it many time in public. He is zelotist of his religion so turks beliece that they have the right God so they must kill all the others. Turkish genocides and Racism against idigenous christians majorities-not minorities-and kurds are covered from history- thats why Hitler did the same like Kemal,his teacher.. he murder million europeans for fun
Andreas Laskaris and by the way, as long as they want to transform the agia sophia into a mosque, they have nothing to lose in europe! I mean not that in Constantinople. That one on the western coast. I cant remember the name of the town.
Eu have problem with birthrate, we all know that.. corporate lobby in Bruxxell, may need more labor hand, but we dont need new dictatorship and all those asian noneducated muslims! /EU’s GDP need HIGH EDUCATED PEOPLE..,Ukranians, Macedonias and Serbya..are 70 000 000 As now, the problem is almost solved. Think Smart. I wish fast EU membership for those 3 nations Otherwise, we have to fight against islamisation with other methods.
Macedonia is a region and country as well, it was part of Bulgaria more than half century ago. Macedonia is not EU member. But half of young ang inteligent macedonians, apply for bulgarian citizenship and recieve it very easy, that’s why they are able to work and travel in EU. It’s very easy for them.. Becousr all macedonians actually are bulgarians and they speak bulgarian language, that’s why you see them everywhere in EU as minority. The name of this region, is pronlemstic for Macedonian-Greece diplomacy and relationship, i know.. But pls, now it’s not time for Greek patriotism.
Macedonia as region, is bigger than our new nabor and country Macedonia. We know that as well. PLEASE, stop with your patriotism Bulgaria and Greece, as nabors and christians as well, have another problem. Problems with birthrate in Macedonia and muslims rise there as well.. If we want to resolve that, need recognition by greek authoritys of “Macedonia”, as name of country and new future EU member . Perhaps this will produce many other small problems for greeks, as “regional products and names..in eu.. and not only.. But they are small problems, for one strong and I hope still christian society, as EU.
Μate , nothing to do with Greek patriotism but with logical thinking , if you called yourself educated and you call this country Macedonia then I’m really sorry about you !
I agree that the young people from this area , even Bulgarians or Albanians they try to go out of fyrom and study but since they don’t accept that this name and this history is not for use , they will never ever enter Europe !
Боян Максимов all FYROM needs to do is respect the rest of the existing EU countries, Greece included, by not appropriating their civilisation and name…All prolems will be solved afterwards…I do not understand why you consider Greece needs to be the bigger man here…Give away our names, maybe our lands , our islands to whomever comes by??? What has been given to us for free by the rest? Nothing…
Why? Is Turkey ethinically European race? Just because theyvswitched to using the (western/roman/latin..i dont remember what it is called now)from Arabic alphabet by hiring French linguist to invent modern Turkish language which is a mix of French Persian Arabic and Turkish.
What does the language have to do with this? Maltese is an official language in Malta, an EU country, with more than 50% of it coming from North African roots.
Absolutely not! Turkey is divided to a magiority of analphabet islamists and a minority of educated people. Let’s help first the democratic minority to take control of their country and after discuss about a future cooperation with Europe.
No less than Ukraine is compatible. Of course if the true reasons to deny the EU membership to Turkey are actually those declared by the EU officials. Which becomes harder and harder to believe with every day past.
No, and I doubt the majority of Turks want anything to do with the EU anymore, they chose the middle eastern path of authoritarian theocracy, which means, good riddance.
Actually many Greeks want Turkey in the EU so that we do not have to hold the EUROPEAN borders by ourselves anymore. It’s EU’s job to help with border patrol. Instead the Greeks are left alone to host as many immigrants as Turkey slave drivers shift. Yes to the entrance of Turkey in the EU and wishing 5 years they will be running Europe. Get ready to wear a hijab, burka, stop making fun of Kemal Ataturk and say bye bye to Internet as you know it
Maybe yes , but maybe the European part of Turkey , the coast and Istanbul with a democratic government! It’s this 3-4% of Turks that they are really European , the operate in Europe they travel in Europe they are not following radical Islam or Islam at all ! AND YES fucking Islam is the problem !
Turkey is under a salafist psychopath islamofascist regime of a terrorist ally of jihadists, an illiterate butcher named Recep Tayyip Erdoğan. Freedom and solidarity to the turkish people who suffer and lose their lives under his corrupted arabic paranoia. Shame to plutocratic burocratic corrupted EU for not fighting for real DEMOCRACY.
Turkey needs to be cut up into pieces and those pieces need to go back to their original owners, Armenia, Pontus, Asia Minor Greece (Capadoccia), Kurdistan, etc., and the EE needs to be broken up into the nations as they were before Germany Limited Company absorbed them in a sneaky NAZI style.
The reason why they’re so keen on Turkey being in the EU is not for humanitarian reasons, as they like to portray. Indeed, it’s rather to gain access to resources of the middle east. -Just like in colonial times (BTW, the powers that be in colonial times made out out colonialism was about humanitarian things too -bringing civilisation to the world ;) ).
What kind of joke is this? What common would an Islamic dictatorship have with the values and culture of Europe? The fact that they stole Greek cities in Anatolia doesn’t make them Europeans. How about Iran, Iraq and Libya? Are they applying for EU membership as well?
What kind of joke is this? What common would an Islamic dictatorship have with the values and culture of Europe? The fact that they stole Greek cities in Anatolia doesn’t make them Europeans. How about Iran, Iraq and Libya? Are they applying for EU membership as well?
What kind of joke is this? What common would an Islamic dictatorship have with the values and culture of Europe? The fact that they stole Greek cities in Anatolia doesn’t make them Europeans. How about Iran, Iraq and Libya? Are they applying for EU membership as well?
What kind of joke is this? What common would an Islamic dictatorship have with the values and culture of Europe? The fact that they stole Greek cities in Anatolia doesn’t make them Europeans. How about Iran, Iraq and Libya? Are they applying for EU membership as well?
What kind of joke is this? What common would an Islamic dictatorship have with the values and culture of Europe? The fact that they stole Greek cities in Anatolia doesn’t make them Europeans. How about Iran, Iraq and Libya? Are they applying for EU membership as well?
Absolutely not. He’s an authoritarian dictator. Europe has no place for national leaders like this jerk. Trump loves this Erdogan because Trump loves authoritarian dictator type of leaders.
If the answer is YES than so is Russia ready to join. Poland and Hungary, with all their limitations, are nowhere close to the level of nationalism and dictatorship measures installed inside their countries.
NO ! To me there is no discussion around this. Erdogan is a dictator. A very clever one intoxicating his population softly, step by step. He is dangerous and we must not accept a behavior like this one in Europe. This is not because Turkey is key for geopolitic purposes that we have to accept the way how this country is driven at the moment. As we can’t directly change this because Turkey is a sovereign country, we have to use the non negotiation leverage to try to influence and make the change.
Turkey can’t enter EU with this undemocratic system. But on the other hand EU is already not a good place to join anymore. It’s only good for being in the Schengen area, nothing more, be honest.
who told you that turkey wants to be an eu member ? erdogan just wants to get a clear answer from the eu , a sincere “no” ! then the country will turn its face to russia and china completely.
just a few days ago erdogan had an interview with french tv and said ” the eu must give an answer. then we’ll do what it requires” in short, he wants to hear ” no” . majority of the country is against the eu, btw .
Absolutely Not! One doesn’t have to be a rocket scientist. Although, a member of the European Customs Union, Turkey has been aspiring to enter the EU for the past 30 years. If the current political ambiance continues, Turkey will never be admitted to the EU.
Absolutely Not! One doesn’t have to be a rocket scientist. Although, a member of the European Customs Union, Turkey has been aspiring to enter the EU for the past 30 years. If the current political ambiance continues, Turkey will never be admitted to the EU.
Absolutely Not! One doesn’t have to be a rocket scientist. Although, a member of the European Customs Union, Turkey has been aspiring to enter the EU for the past 30 years. If the current political ambiance continues, Turkey will never be admitted to the EU.
Absolutely Not! One doesn’t have to be a rocket scientist. Although, a member of the European Customs Union, Turkey has been aspiring to enter the EU for the past 30 years. If the current political ambiance continues, Turkey will never be admitted to the EU.
Absolutely Not! One doesn’t have to be a rocket scientist. Although, a member of the European Customs Union, Turkey has been aspiring to enter the EU for the past 30 years. If the current political ambiance continues, Turkey will never be admitted to the EU.
Why don’t we solve simpler things first. eg.Cyprus, Christians, Armenians and Kurds in Turkey, changing the name of Istanbul back to Constantinoupoli, etc…. Then maybe Turkey’s accession might be easier and more convincing….
Yesterday he said he will ”chop the heads off” his enemies and return the death penalty. His former foreign minister wrote a book about Neo-Ottoman imperial revival. His party officials constantly speak about a new Ottoman empire from Bosnia to Iraq. Does that sound compatible with EU membership to you?
Dr Conrad Borovski
Erdogan destroyed Turkey’s democracy with thousands of arrests of innocent professionals an illegal referendum to increase his personal political power.
We have to somehow keep this relationship going. Of course the absence of rule of law is incompatible with eu democratic traditions, but we cannot alienate Turkey.
Dear Gürkan, I m not sure that the majority of the people don’t want to join the EU…And please do consider that it doesn’t have to be either/or, either with Russia or the EU, it can entertain good relations with both, and become of beacon of democracy in the middle east.
That’s the only smart question to make to erdogan: would you decentralize giuridical, political Power from your figure, open internet and free press, fight corruption and let police work indipendently?
Especially the turkish democracy. May be its more compatible with “your” democracy. You can have them if you like them so much. Anyway soon its going to be UKs main partner. Who cares about democracy when Saudi Arabia and Turkey are under british protection.
Pantelis Papantoniou We are leaving the pointless EU and rejoining the free world comrade so the whole world will be our partner. In a democracy the leaders are elected, who exactly elected your European Politburo ?
Come on Europeans… Let the Turks invade in Europe to see how it feels to be occupied for 44 years like Cyprus!!! You fucking double face son of a bitch.
Ataturk’s Turkey would have been profoundly European. However, Turkey has lost its way and it has practically become incompatible with its past or its European future.
It’s not only a loss for the Turks, but for Europeans as well.
Ahah still trying to bring the new ottomans in europe?
I am an agnostic. I despise every single organized religion but i will say this: in 1683 the europe unite against the invasor. Now we have let in the muslim and we are paying the price.
No religion is compatible with democracy, especially islam.
Whether it is or not is irrelevant to the big boys of the EU.
Turkey is a very large powerful nation with huge economic potential and as such Turkey does as it pleases .
The big boys of Europe , US and even Israel , bend the knee in the hope of a piece of the action and Turkey knows how to use the power in her hands well.
Turkey doesn’t have a King or a Queen, yet, like the rest of the EU members. And Erdoğan doesn’t seem to be in the mood to call himself a King, so one can wonder whether the EU and its elite would like that sort of a new member. So, let’s wait to see what happens, when he calls himself a King then the European Parliament can send him an invitation to join.
The majority of EU members are Republican with 2/3. And Erdogan will bekame a Sultan and not a king. And an invitation to be member of EU it’s out of the question.
No no, I think in Europe you need to be a king, not a sultan. You see, all the allies of the EU have sultans already, but they are not a member of the EU, just trading partners. When in the EU, you need to have a king or a queen, otherwise you won’t be accepted as a member.
Its complicated… Turkey is the border with the middle east, it think there are 2 options, either the EU continues to pursue its current syria policy, in which case it has to mantain good relationships with turkey or face refugee/terrorist flooding, and this includes discussing EU membership, or it alters it stance in syria, cooperates with Al assad how horrible that may be to ensure stability and security is brought to the country, the truth is the EU can pressure much more as Assads friend than as his enemy, considering his russian support, it might take big time, but in 5-10 years syria can be rebuilt and the conditions created for the refugees to return and rebuild their country in safety, if the EU can cooperate in this process in an openminded way, then it can antagonize turkey
Not just Erdogan, the majority of Turkish citizens is not and will never be compatible with the EU for obvious reasons of intolerance, hatred, retribution, threats, and violence. They are choosing to go backwards in time for the worse instead of moving forward and improving with the rest of us. I feel sorry for those progressive Turkish citizens who are suffering however that is no reason to ruin the entire EU.
I know Turkish people very well, speak Turkish and travel to Turkey very frequently – and it is just not true what you are saying. Most Turks are hard-working, decent people who love their families, and are kind to strangers. They have given a home to over 4 million refugees, and welcome millions of tourists every year. Turks are neither racist nor religiously intolerant. Of course there are a number of disgusting individuals who are narrow minded and racist, criminal and abusive but no more narrow-minded than you Julia, and those that make up your nation.
Satsuma Angel , not using your real name then. The majority is still correct and those you speak about are thd minority. Or what is left of them after the purge.
Satsuma Angel ; The point is not what you just wrote; of course, most of people wish just to live their lives and take care of their families; is ambitions of what Mr. Erdogan and his followers want; that´s far a way from occidental type of democracy and way of life.
No I don’t think so Erdogan as stepped way from the EU…that’s a bad move by him because Turkey as been always part of Europe since ancient times…but we cannot have a dictatorship in the EU…
Do unicorns fly? They do not because they do not exist. And even if they where real they do not have wings…. and that it is not a joke. To believe that Turkey can be part of the EU is a joke. First the EU can not assimilate Turkey. But Turkey has nothing to do with the EU. Geographically Turkey has in its territory a small part of what is called Europe. That is not a reason to say I am part of EU of course. But let’s see why Turkey has nothing to do with the EU and why be part of the EU will create an unprecedented mess. Turkey is a militaristic state. Without that their minorities will break away forming roque states. The social structure of Turkey looks more like the Middle Ages than modern times. With social hierarchy rooted in family history and power and wealth linked to the military. The Anatolia regions – the heartland of Turkey is a religious lost in time territory where European values and way of life is alien. The Ataturk God like image is everywhere as a reminder of the messiah of modern Turkey. The same icon as the lunatics in N. Korea. Turkey as a state has no respect for international law. When it comes to sea law it ignores the right of other countries and make threats. It has invaded Cyprus and still holds European territory occupied by force to the present days. Finally the state is not secular as EU is. The list of the negative issues has no end. When it comes to the common people, because I have been to Turkey many many times, I have to say that they are kind, generous, hospitable, hard working. They all have a proud and rich culture – not Turkish but Ottoman, Byzantine- but they are not ready. Women rights, gay rights, political rights, social justice and many many other important aspects of the European social reality are not there.
No, at least not possible in a healthy and ethic Europe, but maybe yes in the EU of bureacrats, lobbies, politicians, in the Europe of Juncker, Barroso, Solana…
I believe not, but then I believe certain countries that already are in the EU do not comply with so-called EU values and others do nothing to have them comply. This hypocrisy and not Turkey or even Russia will be the downfall of the EU.
Human rights in Turkey for Turkish citizens, by Turkish citizens, in their own country is horrific out there for all to see. Why bother asking us? Do you actually expect us to say yes??
What human rights are you talking about? Like some of the so called European countries closed their eyes to refugees while Turkey has spent 30 billion dollars for them. Just letting you know.
Now As Ivan mentioned imagine what would happen if these protesters got armed and started terrorism is Spain. Then you would see the actual shitstorm. Comparing Human rights in Turkey and Europe is a good approach and you are using a lame excuse for that. Like this is not about bla bla
The Turkish people are suffering under this dictator, he does not even respects his borders with Greece, violates the air space of all the countries that borders him and you ask a question like that? Can you imagine what he will do if he is in the EU? It will be HELL. NO NO NO
They are not in Europe (excluding a tiny sliver of a city), They are not a European Culture, they are not a main European Religion. The idea that there are even talks is insulting. We should be attempting to get in actual European countries like, Ukraine, Georgia, Belarus, Georgia, and a few others, if they can make the adjustments
Of course not, Erdogan was ‘elected’ in a democratic process which makes it a democracy while no one voted for Juncker which makes the EU a dictatorship so clearly Turkey is not compatible with the EU.
Junker was voted for by the eu parlement and by the democraticly elected leaders of all the eu nations. So though luck. He was elected twice by our representatives.
I realy hope that someday we will need an iq tests in order to vote so we can ignore idiots like you.
Also comparing juncker to erdogan shows your lack of knowledge of the EU. Because its the representatives of the nations, aka the people we actually voted for who are the ones that run the EU. Juncker is just a person doing what he is told by our democratically elected leaders. But fck what would an English person know about democracy if they only have 1 ruling party and and are now being run by the smallest minority.
There is no need to politicize things, you have to talk about Turkey as a state not as Erdogan as person. You accept Turkey as a NATO member and do not accept it as a member of the European Union! What is this hypocrisy? Turkey does not need the European Union, but vice versa
2000 years I would say
Also they should reverse the population exchange with Greece that seen hundreds of thousands of Albanians send by force to Turkey from southern Albania as Turks
Europe should accommodate them back to there homes!!!!!
No. His power of his country is growing more and more authoritarian and undemocratic and he constantly pushes through threats to Europe. And also Turkey is not in Europe.
In the year 4000
Turkey shound reverse the population exchange with Greece that happened after the first world war!!!!!!
Hundredsof thousands of Albanians were send to Turkey by force from the western helped Greeks army to Turkey as Turkish from southern Albania in exchange with Greek population from Western Turkey
Albania has not the power of Izrael to take back what is theres but at least Europe has a duty to accommodate those send by force to Turkey back to there homes!!!!!!!!
Europe was evil to Albania and should correct there mistakes
We even gave you the north epirus to form your country after ww2 eveb though you helped the nazis and mass murder the greek ppl of northen epirus…also after the fall of commie regiment in your country we took hundreds of thousand albanias in greece and many of them got rich and help rebuild your country so you should be an allie of greece and a country like turkey that had you occupied for 400hundred years your greatest hero skenterbeu fought against turks and you supporting them
Dimitris?
Believing what they tell you at the school is very bad for your health my dear neighbour! Just so we don’t get in to politics at all Google 1949 the invasion of Greece in to Southend Albania and you will understand how evil your political policy is in your country
Let’s Google before that!!!!
You will se the massive expelling of Albanien chamithes from chameria, in population exchange with Turkey and the mass killing of the rest! Let’s not forget that chameria was passed to Greece in London treaty 1912
I can go on but got no time for that so don’t forget who gave Greece the independence in 1821 from Turkey Google that too cos he was arvanitas
So my dear neighbour! Greece, Sllavs and Turkey are no friends to us but monsters that kept us occupied for centuries and committed the worst atrocities in human history
There is no surprise that Albanians now live on what is left of them in 7 countries of western ballkan
Only the city of Turkey Izmir got 1 milion Albanians taken from Greece and what is now Serbia on population exchange only cos they accepted Muslim faith by force
Cheerio my dear neighbour
If you have a Reichstag fire type incident, then your country is not compatable with being in the EU. Turkey is still oppressing the Kurds and Armenians, who should be free to choose what country they belong to. The rise of Islamic ideology goes against democracy in Turkey, which therefore excludes Turkey from joining the EU.
The – islamists-occupied half Cyprus . They violate daily Greece EEZ and airspace. They want newothoman empire from balkans to Jerusalem and..Africa not to be Europeans – christians that genocided ALL of us
No. But from how things are now we can conclude that Erdoğan’s Turkey can and will be a very good trading partner and a companion to the EU, just like the other friends EU has in the region. Like the arabic nations and their “kings”.
Turkey is not compatible with EU membership, with or without Erdogan. Turkey not only is not Part of Europe but have been Europe’s enemy throughout history, have a European colony (Constantinople) and is occupying Cyprus.
No, Turkey is at war against the institutions of the Eu , undermining the EU institution of Schengen , via the Turkish State Sponsored flooding of the European Union with illegal immigrants from Turkey designed by Sultan Erdogan and Turkey to undermine and destroy the European Union due to the absence of a EU Defense Force
I met a woman from Turkey. She was at Randy’s across the street on the corner opposing was BEEPS a CCSF Sputnik type Rocket as it’s logo prominent as a drive in resturant for American style burgers , freedom fries, and malts.
One night as I strangely silent witness a tragedy bear evidence of shenanigans I paused nonetheless to reflect at the criminal element.
It’s a pile of sand. Grandular in extant the sand was not of typical variety. The fashion of displacement also seemed odd in its formation. What forced cause?
Intending to remove the inconspicuous pile of sand I scooped it with my bare hands. The feeling was of not ocean sand with base ph but one of a neutral ph of cement sand. It was processed most likely and contained nil debris.
The scooping motion carried a handful. A sifter my hands became. In it was a toy soldier with musket drawn in sideways stance. Prepared to recieve commands to squeeze the trigger at the moments notice.
Randy’s is a local joint a pub establishment. It acted as the same for its local residents and the era of cccp local community college of San Francisco California USA. Of course this mileu is different than Norway or Finland and namely Germany. Randy is a woman with service of the Royal Navy siblind command United States Coast Guard. The United States Coast Guard has a history in the area developed as the Army Shipyard Of reservist allied Columbus Ohio. Rancheros they were not. They were intending to protect the elements of merchant marines in all good taste and in history dictum the development of the west to the Indies. Atlas, this is speculation as my research is not complete without jasym to assist with the trade route fullfillment of the orient .
To continue a woman interviewed. She asks me and invited me inside Randy’s. We later went to her Home a block away. She wanted to specifically request for additional alcohol to which I was bewildered. She mentions her Home is a monumental castle like mansion with goods reaching the Far East.
Her native place is Turkey and bears some stumbles when approaching spoken American English. She indicated after inquiry of wealth and income her employment is IHSS in home services for elder and dependent care. I rationalized ger speech patterns were from a possible pathological resistance from terms in employment as breadth of American English was not type of concern. She smoked slims cigarette possibly Virginia Slims.
At her home she admits with the certificates hanging on her wall and placards strewn textbook the applicability of the studies as a student abroad from her native Turkey. She reply desire of nursing , an admirable humbled.
We rest and snuggled in front of a laptop not observing x rated video but rather an American cinema in black and white 257 grayscale. It’s on YouTube . The show was voice audio and not of audio less.
We rested.
I bet almost 100% of the comments had been against the entry of Turkey in the EU. It’s regimen is fascist and beside that, it is a complete different civilization. They would never respect our social rules.
He just had the people vote to give himself dictatorial powers. What we need to do is limit associating with illiberal democracies wherever feasible. This includes not only Turkey, but also Hungary, Poland, and Russia.
While, it’s difficult to understand how it’s even possible to get confused about this, I’m specifically referring to the fact that the Hungarian PM openly said in 2014 that he wants to have a Putin-style illiberal democracy, while the Polish government decided that that judicial independence is something that gets in the way of their one-party state, and that Turkey recently had a constitutional referendum to give dive Erdogan dictatorial powers.
While I sympathize with the way Greece’s econ is being mismanaged, it’s difficult to understand how people have a difficult time confusing parliamentary democracy, with Turkish one-party rule. EVen the Greeks have a multi-party state (bankrupt and corrupt though it may be)
Exporting all sorts of manufacturing to the very capable Turkish people. Great success. For the businesses that did such. Trust in rule of law? Oops, not so much. He wants what he will. Now what do the governments of free republics do? My thought go up was staged to remove all that had integrity at municipal level.
Only cause who stages a coup without removing the head? History just history
Ana Bela Couteiro
Of course not. Turkey is a sultanate, has an autocrat in command who doesn’t believe in democracy and who’s personal and religious values are inconsistent with Europe’s.
Ana Bela Couteiro
Of course not. Their values anot democratic. Erdogan is an autocrat.
Rudy
NO, it is not a European State, that they have a small part in the EU does not matter the State of Turkey is not in the EU, it is like saying The Netherlands is part of South America as they have some property there.
Mustafa
Is EU compatible with humanity?
Westerners continuously kill civilians in mideast.
GC
No.
Matt
The EU isn’t compatible with the EU
Aubrey
No, and the EU have made that very clear
Hans
No , and it never will , and please out of NATO too.
Taline
Is this even a valid question?!
Marios
This question shouldn’t be raised. It is a shame for EU to raise such a question. How can a country that occupies a part of the EU, and does not recognize the human rights of EU citizens could be compatible? The question should be why EU is allowing all that to happen.
Andrew
Seriously? No brainer.
Savvas
definitely no!!!!
Hugo
It is.
Antonio
assolutamente NO
Ehab
No he is not
Alain
NON !
Julia
Permanently get rid of Turkey. You never know what extremist leader will get voted in the future. The EU cannot make a law to fix that problem in another country.
Georgi
as if turkey without erdo is … in 3-4 generations maybe
J.Carlos
Não
Betti
Definitely not.
Rosario
No.
Tsering
Why ask such stupid question ?
William
Sure not. What a question! Turkey was more evolved with Ataturk a century ago!
Cesar
No!
Luca
This question is a joke😄
Alojz
No.
Martti
No. He has turned Turkey back and it is difficult if not even impossible to see this working out.
Satsuma
Absolutely not. Where would all his political prisoners flee to?
Andreas
Turkey is still 200 years behind, those who haven’t understood the concept of Turkey yet are dreaming in a another world. Ask the nations who suffered from them and they will tell you the truth. It wants to become an Ottoman Empire again digesting everything around it and becoming a caliphate as it was before. Tyranny
Fotis Katsaitis
This question has a totaly obvius answer ….NO NO NO and forever NO
Constantinica
No, next question
Christos
Hahahaha haha hahahaha
Georgi
maybe for the 1000th aniversary of Manzikert?
Demetris
I don’t see any way it is or will be in the foreseeable future. It’s fundamentally against core EU values.
Savvas
definitely not!!!!
Andrew
A no brainer, really. Of course not!
Simeon
N. O
Stefano
Funny! Of course no!
Leonardo
Obviously not
Γεώργιος
Turkey has invaded in Cyprus and threatens Cyprus and Greece two members of EU with pirate actions.When all this madness stops then can start the discussions for EU membership
António
We have lots of problems inside. Do we want to import another one?
Gustav
No, of course not. But if Turkey was a stable liberal democracy they could be.
So the west coast of Turkey is welcome.
Christos
No isn’t and never was.
Ahmet
But we have “ADVANCED DEMOCRACY”! how can it be that…?
Vincent
Actually, why not? We also have Poland, Hungary and Italy with their fascist governments. So why not another one too?
Olivier
Never. Turkey is not in Europe and do. T share our roots
Anna
Noooo!
Zsolt
Is “Debating Europe” compatible with Europe? I am on the verge of leaving this miserable group, these provocative, arrogant, stupid posts are just pathetic, waste of my precious time really…
Emmanuel
of course no.
Aris
No way
If you think of the last incident that Erdogan sent his drill-ships for illegal drills inside Cyprus’s Executive Zone you can easily understand that the Turkish State has no relation to the International or European Law.
Joris
No it isn’t! Different values…
Panagiotis
All the central European countries should be neighbouring Turkey like my country (Greece and Cyprus)! That would answer all of your questions!!
Marco
Are we really asking this question for real?! Erhm… 🤦🏻♂️
Sorin
No. Whay do you ask? :))
Jorge
No.
José
Yes. Whith alignement.could be win win.
Mertkan
Another debating question: Is water dry?
Ginette
Nooooooo…..!
Ehab
No and will not be
Stefano
Is playing with snowmen compatible in a tropical sandy beach with 40 degrees?
Paulo
No! Absolutly Not!!!!!
Paulo
Of course not!!!
Rita
What a question! Obviously not. Already we have to stomach Orban because Hungary is already a member…
Paulo
never …….
Pedro
NOT YET.
Кирил
Hahahhahahahhahahahahahah
ΜΑΓΑΛΙΟΣ
Of course not. Not now and never!!
Luís
Não!
Alejandro
come back and save them
John
Turkey is an invasion force on the member state of Cyprus! How is that compatible?
Tristan
isn’t, but Turkey might be.
Tsering
Wrong question
Senea
Not yet!
Hugo
Yes.
Mustafa
YES. OUI. JA.
Josep
And fascist Spain???
Davide
Nooooo!!!
Satsuma
No, where would the thousands of innocent Turks flee to if Turkey is in the EU?
David
Turkey is not in Europe. End of.
Alin
No, it is not!
Niculae
No way!
Chris
He is already on your maps & your hearts.
Frank
No.
Ivo
In the European Union, there is neither room for Turkey nor for totalitarism!
Fotis
is this a question ???Are you nuts?” this clown of politics can’t be membership of any organization around the globe !!!!!!
Christopher
What are you asking?
I am taking the advantage from your question to place the real questions.
Has a dictator place at Europe?
Has a dictatorship place at Europe?
Has place at Europe a country which is violating the Human Rights from its(country) birth?
Has a country place at Europe when is violating the Fundamental Rights?
Has a country place at Europe when their military occupies a part of Europe?
Has place at Europe a country which violates daily the International Low and Order?
Has place at Europe a country which is already proved that support Terrorism?
How many questions has to be placed, there are more if you want!
Fernando
No, not at all. Erdogan’s position is the oposite of EU. He’s the turkish personification of the dark side of that Nation.
Nelson
Is Europe (EU) still compatible with the initial ideas and principles?! If Europe (EU) tries to make all the countries and people uniform an continues to kill national identity, then many countries are no more compatible with EU membership and will start to leave one by one…
Derek
Europe and America wants turkey in to be near Russia and the Middle East
Maria
What a question…
George
Glad to see the reactions and comments
Pamela
No way, plus Turkey is not in Europe.
Riccardo
No, never has been.
Dan
Since when is Turkey in Europe?
Maria
Does Orban Hungary belong in Europe? Small minded people in EU was and is the reason for Turkey not being invited to talk before Erdogan switched tactics over there. The Bloc would have been much much more powerful and I am not so sure the UK would have dared leave it nor the US under a rogue Prez would ever challenge it and yes at least part of Turkey is in Europe. Nothing but small mindedness and a good dose of Islamophobia.
Stefanos
More than 7 million Turks already live in Europe next to you. And still Debating Europe is running stupid polls like this …..No hope
Carlos
… time demonstrated that Turkish commitment to human rights were not consistent. Denying to pursuing the integration process into EU was wrong, but now it seems it was more than correct. Anyway, everybody deserves a second chance. If wanted…
Gen
Turkey a part of European union…??? NEVER NEVER NEVER..!!
Look at the current situation today:
Erdogan says:
If the EU labels the Turkish action as occupation, it threatens to send Syrian refugees who are now in Turkey to Europe…..
The European Union is being held hostage by that Erdogan ..!
How pathetic are we anyway as Europeans?
Where is Europe’s unity against the threats of 1 country?
Europe must finally show its teeth against those threats from Turkey.
———-Erdogan says:
If the EU labels the Turkish action as occupation, it threatens to send Syrian refugees who are now in Turkey to Europe….
———-Then the answer from the European Union must be:
As soon as Erdogan opens the borders, the European sky must be closed to Turkey.
Pause all trade agreements and investments.
———
Laying down the Turkish economy can easily be done by the European Union.
So let’s see if Erdogan continues to threaten us.??
It is incomprehensible that we are being threatened by our so-called ally..
Turkey is not an ally of Europe but an enemy.
Turkey receive 6 billion euros every year from Europe for 4 million refugees, while the standard of living in Turkey is considerably lower than Europe. Where does all that money go?
It would not surprise me if he used part of that money to buy weapons and ammunition from the Russians and then use those weapons against the Kurds.
I think the European Union is too cowardly to tackle Turkey!
Where President Trump fails to tackle Turkey, Europe must show that we are not submissive to a Turkish president who acts like a dictator.
Look at Trump, who needed the Kurds to fight IS.
And once IS was defeated, the Kurds were no longer desired.
And then, as thanks for their efforts, the Kurds got a stab in the back.
And just as Trump only needs his so-called friends only when it suits him, so Erdogan treats us Europeans the way he likes.
As a European, I am ashamed that we are constantly accepting this from countries with a president with dictator characteristics.
Erdogan thinks himself very great.
He thinks he is a benefactor that he accommodates 4 million refugees, but he does not pay for it!
The European Union does this with 6 billion a year!
If the European Union does not return to Turkey with an appropriate threat very quickly, then Turkey has a reason and a mandate to do this more often in the future as long as we passively say yes and amen.
And don’t forget: How we now respond to Erdogan is an example for China and Russia.
Because they are the friends of Turkey.
We Europeans can lay China down economically if we want to.
I prefer to buy a shirt that comes from Europe, because I will no longer support the Chinese or Turkish economy.
And a country like Turkey that is already coming up against Europe with threatening language, how can such a country ever belong to a Europe?
My opinion is that Erdogan is a greater threat to Europe that Hitler once was (that is my personal opinion. !!)
——–
There will be a 3rd world war, partly due to Turkey’s behavior in the future.
I will no longer experience that because of my cancer.
But one thing is already certain:
Communism will prevail.
China will dominate us in the future, partly because we are so eager to buy cheap things from China, which keeps their economy growing.
—–
gen
European union a democracy?
Not at all,because if I want to leave a comment,then it is not accept.
I have join the debate,and my comment was not with hate,but a general opinion,but it refused
I think there are too many PRO ERDOGANS people on this forum that refuse any comment on Turkey.
I hope that there will be a 3rd world war so that I can take appropriate revenge on all those who hate Europe such as Turkey.
So it means that this forum is allread infiltrated by friends of Erdogan.
Christos
Hell no. Can you imagine that European Parliament with the majority of members being Turks?
Manos
they are backed up by Germany, always have from world wars…
Christos
because EU wants to have a special relationship with Turkey regarding manly trade, EU has granted turkey an infinite candidate role in order not to slam the door in the face of Turks, but no one in Europe wants turkey in EU.
Christos
eu will lose more than it gains today if stops the trade deal with Turkey, it’s exactly the money that matters.
Γεώργιος
Rirate regimes have no place in EU
Asuman
Yes!!!!!!
Takis
no !!!
Gerry
We can talk about it once Erdoğan is gone. Till that moment, absolutely no way
Παπανικολάου
Turkey and democracy oil and water…
Andrew
A no brainer, really. Of course not.
Luca
We have to build up a federation . Turkey is compatibile with political union? No
Ion
Hell no
Chris
Turkey has to be one of the privileged partners of the EU but in no case it should a member state.
Aris
not even privileged partner since Turkey is the biggest troublemaker in the entire region.
Aris
this is a failed plan of EU. They keep open the doors of the EU (when actually none wants Turkey in the EU) in order Turkey to continue its tiny efforts for Democratic changes.
Since Turkey is still considered as a candidate the EU is forced by Law to give money for certain sectors.
Marius
Why do you give the same answer every single time? It sounds like a troll.
Rémi
My question disturbs? Why nobody is answering?
Dan
Since when is Turkey an european country?
Dan
“Turkey (Turkish: Türkiye [ˈtyɾcije]), officially the Republic of Turkey (Turkish: Türkiye Cumhuriyeti [ˈtyɾcije dʒumˈhuːɾijeti] (About this soundlisten)), is a transcontinental country located mainly on the Anatolian peninsula in Western Asia, with a smaller portion on the Balkan peninsula in Southeastern Europe. ” That smaller portion would be Constantinopole.
Manos
Sometimes your polls are so funny I know another one! : Is Darth Vader fit to rule the Jedi
Vedran
Erdogan came to Germany and told the Turks there, don’t assimilate. Like other fundamental islamist he sees Europe as a land to be conquered by Islam through culture, immigration etc just like Ottoman Empire once tried with war. No, current Turkey is in no way compatible with EU
Panayiotis
Turkey doing the dirty jobs of some EU main members, so is dirty from top to bottom, yes it fit as member of the dirty and corrupt EU
Zdravko
No, as opposed to the EU bureaucracy, the Turkish leadership is elected by people so Turkey needs to become much less democratic in order to reflect true EU values.
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Aaron
This is dumb. 751 members of the parliament are directly elected and all members of the Council(s) are indirectly elected in national elections. This line of argument is disingenuous and factually bankrupt…but that’s not surprising given you think turkey is more democratic than the EU.
Zdravko
“…and all members of the Council(s) are indirectly elected in national elections.”
Parliament is elected, council on the other hand is not, it is apointed, that is my whole point.
You know quite well that I am not praising Turkey for its high achievements in human rights and democracy, I’m only trying to point out the hypocrisy of the EU and it’s lack of democratic principles.
Rémi
Then why is €U contuining to give money in order to be membership?
Aaron
The European Council includes the elected heads of state and government. The Council of the European Union includes all of the executives from member states’ governing coalitions…so they also gain their position based on popular, national elections. The only institution that is not elected is the Commission, and there is not a bureaucracy in the world that is popularly elected.
Παυλος
you don’t know anything about Turkey- I hope you won’t have to learn THE HARD WAY
Marcus
Even a westernized version of Islamic state is not compatible both politically and culturally. Most of all. EU doesn’t need any more members, it simply needs reform to get rid of its authentically broken European autocracy from Brussels and let it stand on the national merits of every member of the union.
Rémi
Nice to dream, as you would choose something…. Why is €U contuining to give money in order to be membership?
Marcus
The same reason why Greece is not bankrupt and will not be for the foreseeable future. They provide open markets for Germany to export into. Some people up top don’t really know how economy should work.
Rémi
And this money is coming from a hat?
Marcus
No it comes out of tax participation of each member. Did I say otherwise? That’s the reason the UK left.
Rémi
And who is deceiding that? I’ve never voted my tax should used so!
Marcus
You’re making my point, you’re voting every 4 years for EU parliament, well, those ones are suposed to decide it. But they’re not, in fact there’s the “EU technocrats” that decide what they do with EU funds, that’s why you get the EU cronies such as Lagarde on ECB every couple of years. Fun way to get governed by people you do not elect. That’s why i’m talking about reforming the structure of the EU.
Filipe
No, it’s not. Turkey is becoming less and less democratic. Turkey would bring serious security issues.
Αριστείδης
Turkey will never be compatible no matter who’s in charge.
Rémi
Why is €U contuining to give money in order to be membership?
Antonio
Seriously?
Luca
This question is a joke?
Artur
Comic relief moment!
Paulius
Turkey is less of a democracy than Hungary. As long as it’s jailing journalists, persecuting opposition, criminalizing criticism towards government, censoring media and refusing to deal with demands of Kurdish autonomy inside Turkey in a democratic and lawful way, Turkey has no right to be in EU. It’s not about culture, it’s about democracy and respect for human rights.
Rémi
Don’t worry, you won’t be asked for their membership! :)
Paulius
and why is that?
Rémi
Cause nobody cares about your wishes!
Paulius
neither about your, so?
Rémi
You notice you’re choosing nothing, I hope for you!
Paulius
Yea, I’m just sitting here in my little nihilistic world I surrounded myself with and enjoy not being part of Soviet Union anymore. This not choosing things turned out extremely well for me personally :) For example, with my birth certificate I can get Russian citizenship, but since I have no choice whatsoever I’m not getting it and not moving to the land of vodka, oppression and misery
Lieva
Not all!
Mihai
“Turkey (Turkish: Türkiye [ˈtyɾcije]), officially the Republic of Turkey (Turkish: Türkiye Cumhuriyeti [ˈtyɾcije dʒumˈhuːɾijeti] (About this soundlisten)), is a transcontinental country located mainly on the Anatolian peninsula in Western Asia, with a smaller portion on the Balkan peninsula in Southeastern Europe. ” That smaller portion would be Constantinopole.
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Mihai
If we consider the leadership of Poland, Hungary, Chech Rep., Slovakia, Austria, he has many friends inside the Union.
Adi
The Hungarian government is the same as the Turkish government. (From Hungary)
MIhai
Romania was in the same situation just a few months ago.
Andreas
his best friend at the moment is Germany which should concern everyone
Παυλος
Are you kidding us , he has under military occupation a part of a f****ing European country and threatens an other one with war while his sending f****ing mercenaries to Libya to fight against the parliament so he can grab more territory belonging to Europe! WAKE UP!
Christo
Cooperation between Turkey and the EU needs to be stepped up and taken to new levels.
Παυλος
they can’t never be trusted
Anthea
NO!
Enric
No, Turkey do not fit in the EU
John
Turkey is currently illegally occupying a Member State’s sovereign ground. As long as Cyprus is under the boot of the turkish army the membership talks are and will remain a joke.
Kubanković Szoma Nedjelković-Szöltézs
Yes, so true. I believe that Turkey should pull away it’s forces from Cyprus, has nothing to find there. I also believe that the UK should also leave Cyprus and leave Cyprus to be Cyprus, not UK-controlled Cyprus, not Turkey-controlled Cyprus, Cyprus should be Cyprus. Cyprus has the right to independence.
Ahkmet Abdul
No, I believe Erdoğan is a very good person. Why should the
Andreas
Do we have dictatorship in Europe?
Since he has been voted in office he can’t be viewed as a dictator as his party receives the most votes.
In order for me to consider him a dictator, it would have to be obvious to me that he only has a support of a much smaller percentage of the population than he has now.
If, in the future, it becomes clear that much more people support the opposition, but somehow it’s not reflected in the voting then I would change my mind. However, this is not the case. Mind you, I don’t consider the electoral system in Turkey to be fair.
Why don’t I consider the system in Turkey fair? One, unlike in Canada, France, Germany, Italy, Britain, Japan etc… where opposition figures are given a lot of coverage and there’s some attempt at balance, increasingly over the last several years there is not much of that in Turkey. Two, the media is too, too heavily slanted towards one party in a way that reminds me of the Soviet Union and Pravda. It is too Orwellian. Three, the Anadolu Agency, which used to be very respectable and accepted by the mainstream has become partisan and demonstrated it in the last election. Four, the elections board is not impartial. They are very amenable to allowing the contesting of votes or elections when it is asked for by a certain party over another. That is not balanced.
Since the AKP-MHP represent the largest bloc of voters at this juncture, then any Turkish president receiving that many votes cannot be viewed as a dictator. The same would apply to President Trump. Now, you may choose to view a leader as authoritarian and undemocratic, but it’s not the same thing as a person being a dictator. It has to be demonstrated you are not beholden to the people and cannot lose elections. That doesn’t apply to the Turkish president. Even if what we see Turkey doesn’t resemble what one may see in Canada, Australia, France it doesn’t mean there’s a dictatorship. Of course, there are also issues with some Western type democracies like Britain and Canada where you have first past the post system where parties with say 40% of the vote can have the majority of parliamentary seats, and, in the U.S., you still have something called the “Electoral College”, which is highly undemocratic. Turkey, in the end, hasn’t reached a place where the president could fit the label of dictator due to the amount of supporters voting for him.
Marco
A strongman regime that’s each day closer to transitioning into a dictatorship? Erhmm… do we even have to ask? Any state, even current members, that undermine the rule of law, the independence of democratic institutions and the judiciary and people’s rights are pretty much misaligned with the spirit of the European Project.
Montarcilio
Turkish isn’t EU member and probably not will be in future. Belong Nato is a mistake as all partners feels.
José
No way
Isabelle
No, definitively NOT !
Kevin
Well nothing to do with us after 31 January
Fernando
No way, only democracies are allowed.
Kubanković Szoma Nedjelković-Szöltézs
Turkey is a democracy, though not a good one, Erdoğan was democratically elected. Yes, I believe I agree with you, Turkey isn’t too democratic.
Joris
No.dont even have to think one second about it.
Bruno
Absolutely NOT
Sam
They are going to need someone to take our place
Max
Closer to Venezuela than to democracy.
Vasilis
That’s enough with this pirate-country…NO!
Angelos
No way!! With genocides, dictators, violation of human rights and still bringing this up???There is nothing to debate about
Seif-eddine
genocides and violation of human rights..hmm this reminds me of another country in the middle east but its a member of the EU
Sinan
said the person who is Greek. Your opinion is not biased at all
Aneglos
oh is it some of this not true or you dont like?
Angelos
@Seif be more informed before you comment! Dont just show off. Its not wise
Παυλος
yeah asks the Kurds the cypriots and the Libyans what’s their opinion about your Turkish friends
Vdovicenco
never in a million years
UknownWarrior
I do not know about If Erdogan’s Turkey will be compatible for EU membership. To ask Turkey to join the EU is the same as asking Russia to join the union. They are just too big to join.
However Greece is forming an alliance with Cyprus and Israel against Turkey. It is also possible that Egypt might join them as well.
I think that the European Part of Turkey plus the Aegean Islands should be Greek. Cyprus should be United.
Bulgar
Turkey is a great economy. They produce everything
They wanted to invest in Bulgaria a lot. There is Turkish banks like Ziraat bankasi. Possibly Halk bankasi can come to Bulgaria as well and it is the seventh largest bank in Turkey.
There was also a desire from the Turkish mobile phone companies to invest in Bulgaria. These firms were TurkTelekom and Turkcell. Both Turkish companies wanted to come on the Bulgarian Market.
In Order for Greece to defeat Turkey they will need support. This support can either come from their orthodox brother Russia or somebody from Western Europe like France, Britain or Italy.
jthk
The EU is formed with the aim to avoid the 3rd world war for collective security, when China is promoting a global community to overcome transnational issues of collective human problems, shy do you people promote “defeat” Turkey? Why confrontation has to be the perspective? Why not use harmony and cooperation? Although I do not support over expansion for the formation of the EU is to promote a community of peaceful Europe so as to avoid going to war. There is no point promoting hostility with non-EU states. When one state of the EU is under attack, as a solidarity union, EU has the responsibility to response. If Greece has conflict with Turkey or Russia, whatever else, it would never serve any good to EU member states.
jthk
Why such a hostility with Erdongan? Is Trump very much better than Erdongan? Why EU has chosen to tolerate Trump not Erdogan? Do not reject EU membership by putting blame on Erdogan when European people’s worry is on other reasons.
malika
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malika
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malika
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Antti Sironen
Erdogan has the striking resemblance of European dictators of earlier times. Centralization of power , aspiration of becoming lifetime president , disregard for human rights , marginalizing groups to create enemies within.
No Turkey is by no means even close to become a member of the EU.
The current EU project of trying to siphon taxpayers money to irresponsible EU member countries – would make a Turkish entry in to the EU a sort of coup de grace to any attempts to win over the support for the EU in the North European countries.
jthk
Turkey under Erdogan appears to lack the ability to become an independent state. By putting itself between two great powers, Turkey is likely leading to war and hostility from both great powers. To be qualified for EU membership, Turkey ought to follow EU policy on peace and security, otherwise EU would be torn between two great powers and its own member states unnecessarily.
Ian
First and foremost, the question is misleading. There’s no Erdogan’s Turkey (leading to the assertion that there is a bad Turkey and a good Turkey) there’s just Turkey. Technically, Erdogan is a democratically elected leader, period.
And the whole Turkey (not Erdogan’s Turkey) membership issue is a joke because it was founded on a mere hypocrisy. Geographically, historically and (mostly) culturally, Turkey has nothing to do with Europe. If we accept that there are historical ties, on the basis of invasion and conquest, we might as well invite the Mongols and the Arabs to join the Union, let alone Israel, who are in fact more Europeans that some of the EU members.
Let us at least be honest. Neither Europe had ever been interested in Turkey’s membership, nor Turkey. As a matter of fact, Turkey is better off reaping the fruit of a preferential relationship without the obligations that arise from a full membership.
Needless to say that the EU stance to date reveals the weaknesses of the whole EU establishment which is in a terrible need of an identity and scope. Assuming there are still federalists in the EU who want deeper European integration (and not just well paid bureaucrats), they should answer the question why the EU appears to side with a third party that uses immigration flows as a weapon, violates its territorial rights and raises claims on its potential resources. Would the state of New York tolerate a Mexico’s invasion of California and would the Congress call for negotiations had Cuba invaded Florida? This is what Brussels do with Greece and Cyprus or even Italy though.
Then again, if they could answer that, they could have answered the question of why the EU is choosing to solve its demographic problems by importing non-European populations and in particular those who are the most culturally incompatible thus unable to fully integrate.
For me the problem is not Erdogan’s Turkey but the fact that it is becoming too obvious that the EU is brain dead (using President Macron’s words), even more so than NATO and that certainly its elite is not in touch with its people.
Fred Ruddick
Erdogan has become a dangerous dictator who represses free speech and journalism. He is oppressing his country in such a way that EU membership is a pipe dream. He simply jails those who oppose him, or he see’s as opposing him (delusional thinking). Turkey has therefore become more dangerous and in my view unsafe for women and tourists alike. Erdogan has set Turkey back 30 years and must go if Turkey is to have the bright progressive future it deserves.
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Has Turkey’s President Erdoğan gone too far? Following a failed coup in July 2016, the Turkish leader has acted quickly to arrest or dismiss anybody deemed to be a potential threat to his regime. Tens of thousands of people have been detained; media organisations have been shut down, and roughly 120,000 people have been fired from their public sector jobs. President Erdoğan is currently pushing to reform the country’s constitution, consolidating sweeping powers into the office of the president.Not at all. The core values of the European Union are democracy and human rights, freedom of expression, freedom of press, and the rule of law. None of those are respected at the moment in Turkey. The EU should withdraw from all negotiations and halt any payments made related to the candidate status of Turkey. That’s the only way we have to express our concerns in a way the Turkish government understands.
I think that we have to make a distinction between Turkey and Erdoğan. Because Turkey, formally, is a democracy, and there are a lot of democratic Turks who would like membership of the European Union. But it’s very, very difficult to negotiate membership with Erdoğan. Things are going in the wrong direction in Turkey under his leadership… So, I would say that EU membership is not compatible with Erdoğan, but it could be with another leader.
No, the [Turkish] regime is not respecting European democratic principles. But, at the same time, I do not support the freezing of accession talks with [Turkey]. It is vital to distinguish between the current regime and the Turkish people. We need to keep the dialogue open and maintain our criticism until the situation gets better.
The situation of fundamental rights in Turkey is actually very controversial, especially after the coup d’état of the last summer. I’m afraid, unfortunately, that this situation is incompatible with EU membership. We hope, however, that Turkey could swiftly restart her path towards a better acknowledgement of the rule of law and fundamental rights.
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No. Not even close
Maybe on 1. April.
Compatible with 1930’s Europe maybe, too bad it’s 90 years too late.
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The power grab of fascism in the 1930’s & EU power grabs of 2010’s, the similarities are very striking if you chose to look for them.
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Of course not, Erdoğan was elected by the Turkish people whereas the EU prefers rule by an unelected European Politburo.
But they will join, its the only way Juncker can keep the migrants out.
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Of course not, Erdoğan was elected by the Turkish people whereas the EU prefers rule by an unelected European Politburo.
But they will join, its the only way Juncker can keep the migrants out.
You’re talking crap. So what if dictators get elected by the people it does not make them good people, with good policies, it just makes them good at duping idiots or at conspiracy making. Have you heard of the democratic hero named Hitler or any number of African numbnut presidents that started civil wars so they could remain in power after their term ended?
Plus you are infinitely clueless on how the EU works.
No
Through its actions Turkey has shown that it never was compatible with the EU and Never will be compatible with the EU . One just has to look at the British State Sponsored Turkish Military invasion and occupation of EU member Cyprus since 1974, which has provided the Britsih Military bases in Cyprus a security advantage against American efforts since 1950 to expel the Britsih Military bases from Cyprus and replace them with American military bases in Cyprus, sparking Turkish Military violations on Greek sovereignty in the Aegean since the 80s. Wonder how President Trump with his American First Policies, will react to the trachery commited by Britain and Turkey in Cyprus against the United States since 1950. Will President Trump demand British and Turkish military forxces leave Cyprus immediately. Only time will tell.
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Still blaming the Brit’s comrade ? lol
We are not blaming anyone. Cyprus is a Member-State of the EU that has FOREIGN invading forces from Turkey for many decades now. By what right are the Turks occupying EU sovereign territory?This has to stop. You understand that Turkey gains an unhealthy advantage against the EU by having invasion forces on European soil, right? And what a surprise, the British are making things more difficult again for the EU…
John Zervas
We are not making things difficult, we are just leaving the pointless club.
Interesting that you ignore the fact Brussels has done nothing to remove the Turks from ‘its’ territory though.
John Zervas Turkey has gone to Cyprus to protect its citizens from the Greek Cypriot eoka terrorist organisation, why you don’t mention at all the atrocities from your side agains the Turkish Cypriot population ? that’s why Turkey is there to protect its citizens.
Ibrahim Uzun Turkish citizens??? They were supposed to be Cypriot citizens not turkish citizens. If they are turkish citizens they should go back to Turkey.Otherwise they are traitors to their own country (Cyprus)
The European part of Turkey should be Greek. It was meant to be in the year 1922. All of the Aegean islands should be Greek and this includes Tenedos and Imbros.
Turkey occupied Cyprus with its military. There were Turks there, but the Islands was predominantly Greek inhabited.
The answer is that Turkey should not be allowed to join the EU!!
Α brutal dictatorship with jails full of political prisoners and occupational force of 40.000 troops in a EU member country Cyprus? Unthinkable
Just tell us what rule did played the eoka terrorist organisations agains the Turkish Cypriot population in Cyprus before the 1974 ?
Don’t be shy ?
You tell us if eoka exists today
Ibrahim Uzun and for that matter TMT or are we selecting the ones we like?
Α brutal dictatorship with jails full of political prisoners and occupational force of 40.000 troops in a EU member country Cyprus? Unthinkable
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The power grab of fascism in the 1930’s & EU power grabs of 2010’s, the similarities are very striking if you chose to look for them.
Of course it is not. Its moving away from democracy and pluralism at high speed. But where was all the positive praise and improvements from the European side ten years ago when Turkey was making huge steps towards democracy and rule of law? Maybe if the EU has made some concessions in that time Erdogan could now not use the EU as one of his scapegoats he rallies his supporters against.
No, European citizens don’t want that
No.
Why?
Why did you ask WHY? Isn’t it obvous?
because, as far as I understand Erdogan does not want apply to EU anymore (from de 28 dossiers, there is only one completed – i read a few month ago in na european magazine) and recente declarations from some leaders in EU made me think they are not interested in any enlargement anymoe. maybe i´m wrong but that´s the idea i´ve got from several news.
looks like a Brexit wasn’t enough.
As long as Erdogan is in power, a Turkish membership is impossible. Even if he were to be de-throned (yes that is the correct verb, Sultans get dethorned not outvoted) it’s a political matter. If Turkey was to become a Member State, it would have even more votes than France in the EU. The French will never agree to that. So Turkey will never become a member of the EU. It is simple as that. Finally, do not get fooled by the image Turkey gives to us all, it only advertises how it’s coastal parts look which by the way are heavily influenced by European values since they stand on ancient greek and byzantine cities. The coastal parts of Turkey were always more politically civilized. However the coastal parts are a very small part of Turkey. If you want to see the real Turkey, just go and see what happens behind the coastal parts, it’s chaos.
No. Turkey is not Europe. They’re invaders from Central Asia who destroyed one of the most gracious civilisations in history – the Byzantines.
I feel pity for your students
Uğur Kerti don’t. Feel pity for your countrymen who are pinned down by a vicious dictator.
Uğur Kerti Hi Ugur. Why do you say that? Do you feel like that invasion also never happened? Or that the Ottoman empire/invasion was good or european or whatever?
No
I dont agree with some MEPs who say it us only Erdogan that is incompatible with the EU and that the people are. If anything, Erdogans rules simply revealed and highlighted the fact that many Turkish citizens are incompatible with the EU. It is Turkish citizens that murder Homosexuals and transgenders, it us Turkish citizens who had machetes under their beds and beheaded soldiers in the coup, it is Turkish citizens in the police force who tortured dissenters and alleged coup participants, Turkish citizens voted for Erdogan by majority vote therefore support all he espouses. It is Turkey and most if its citizens that do not belong in the EU. We do not share the same values for democracy and freedom of choice.
LOL no.
Yes because the European system for the security for the humans values is very important guide line for the Middle East
No, but not only his, it’s much more in general.
Sure! I mean, it’s not like he’s bombing his own citizens or something
The EU is struggling to cope with a million extra Muslims, so how will they manage a further 75 million of them?
Of course no
Onli if they turn bizantine again hahahah
…if there was ever a ‘leading question’ competition this would qualify as an absolute winner here. Give us a break & don’t waste our time asking the obvious.
…if there was ever a ‘leading question’ competition this would qualify as an absolute winner here. Give us a break & don’t waste our time asking the obvious.
no way. He is a dictator
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Your comment is incorrect, Erdoğan was elected by the people whereas dictators are not elected, Just as your president Juncker wasn’t.
Your comment is incorrect. The government was elected by the people. The government and the rest of the turkish parliament made Erdogan into a President, a President whose sole role is to ensure the democratic rule of the ruling parties, not to take powers into his own hands.
no!
When we leave he can join!
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Your comment is incorrect, Erdoğan was elected by the people whereas dictators are not elected, Just as your president Juncker wasn’t.
Erdogan might have been elected by some people, but his coup last year and the following imprisonments and murders is the proof that he is a proto-dictator.
Hitler was elected and didn’t stop him from using a dictatorial model
Never
Nope!
No, why is this still up for debate?
Hell NO! Why is there any doubt?
Barbecue Markets
Nope.
The main problem for turkey to join the EU is that in case of being a memeber, it wiil be the bigest state in the club!!!!and moreover is 99% muslim country!!!!That is the real obstacle for the EU!!!!as far as the democratic deficiency in turkey is just a justification and not a reason!!!!,,EU is not so sensitive to these things sush democratic righrs !!!we see it in ucraine supporting the Meintan nazi elements !!!!???!the jihandists in syria etc!!!
Why ask…Turkey does not want the E.U. and the E.U. does not want Turkey. But we can have excellent relationships with this lovely country.
No.
The question is a joke right?!?
It’s not Erdoğan in particular but the thing is that Turkey is not compatible with the union as a whole. It is a huge land populated by 80 million, so there are dramatic differences between the regions and cultures within the country. Europe is not capable of handling this situation and there is not any justifiable reason to bother doing so anyway. Besides, the membership thing has fallen off the agenda for a while in Turkey -this is true even for the non-nationalists. For the pro-governments Europe is going down, so why would we be a part of this failure? For the anti-governments the pro-government Muslims will mess it up with their embarrassing ideologies and religious acts, so it is better for them to be a part of Europe individually -not as a society. Needless to say, I am just making generalizations.
It’s not Erdoğan in particular but the thing is that Turkey is not compatible with the union as a whole. It is a huge land populated by 80 million, so there are dramatic differences between the regions and cultures within the country. Europe is not capable of handling this situation and there is not any justifiable reason to bother doing so anyway. Besides, the membership thing has fallen off the agenda for a while in Turkey -this is true even for the non-nationalists. For the pro-governments Europe is going down, so why would we be a part of this failure? For the anti-governments the pro-government Muslims will mess it up with their embarrassing ideologies and religious acts, so it is better for them to be a part of Europe individually -not as a society. Needless to say, I am just making generalizations.
No.
No!
No. This is a stupid question. Turkey currently doesn’t meet basic requirements for EU membership, including those on personal liberty, freedom of the press and of course capital punishment.
Of course not. Turkey”s chances 10 years ago was far higher than now.
@DEBATINGEUROPE
No; however, the EU welcomed many basketcase nations from the Club Med and the Balkans into the EU already and this has provided inspiration/ammunition for Turkey re joining the EU.
If Turkey does not join the EU, it will be seen as an anti-Islamic situation from Ankara – the EU has dug itself into a very deep hole.
Are you joking with such question?
Turkey should join UK – it has so many friends there and is much more compatible with their values than than with EU…
Care to give any examples? Or is this just more rhetoric based on dislike rather than facts?
@Maia Alexandrova
EU values? Don’t you mean ‘Banana Federation’ values!
Without the UK, the EU will quickly shift to become a ‘Latin bloc’ – then watch the already high levels of corruption and unaccountability go through the roof.
Note the meeting of the new ‘European-Axis-of-Evil’ today in Portugal featuring 7 countries not lauded for their transparency, accountability or democratic credentials.
It is only a matter of time before the 2nd, 3rd and 4th biggest Eurozone economies start to coerce Germany et al to do what’s good for them…NASTY!
What a joke…
FACHIST MUSLIM AND UGLY TO BOOT !!!
Such greate debate is going on here. ne goes out says no! and some other says no.
Υοu better sto posting this kind of questions…
Υοu better sto posting this kind of questions…
No.
because, as far as I understand Erdogan does not want apply to EU anymore (from de 28 dossiers, there is only one completed – i read a few month ago in na european magazine) and recente declarations from some leaders in EU made me think they are not interested in any enlargement anymoe. maybe i´m wrong but that´s the idea i´ve got from several news.
Not at all!
No way
Hahaha! Just think UE is so worried about democracy and liberty in Poland ….
Why isbthis still up for debate? It was inconclusive before him.
No way
Erdogan is a dictator and Turkey have nothing to do in Europe. Now that Syria is heading towards peace the terms should be different.
Are you kidding?
That is easy. NO
Never!
No! Never. Are you really serious asking this question? Have you not been following the recent events in Turkey?
The answer is so obviously no that the mind boggles as to why this is even being asked. Here’s another question you should put to debate; “Do we really need air to breathe?”
Probably the best answer on here..
@Duncan
Lol!
In the eyes of the imperialist-lead Europe is a great market and big economy. They don’t care about such stupid questions as religion or compability!!!
I mean Turkey is a great market and big economy
What EU? EU ´s falling apart, in case you didn´t notice…And NO…Erdogan´s a dictator and he kills his own people…
What EU? EU ´s falling apart, in case you didn´t notice…And NO…Erdogan´s a dictator and he kills his own people…
Of Course not and you know that. Do you know any Muslim country that is really democratic?
Faddi Zsolt, you are right, Turkey is a great market. Why don’t you build your own community with the Middle East countries and the former soviet Turkish countries? An alliance of all Muslim dictators
No now!
His striving to have a sultanate shows his disgust for democracy. And Turkey in that situation will never be eligible for EU membership
No
nope
What kind of “democracy” in a country of ~80mio, where +90% are Muslims? Turkish “secular Muslim Sharia democracy” = Universal European democratic values?
Is the EU still clinging to the belief that a signatory to the 1990 Cairo Declaration on Human Rights in Islam- which is not “UNIVERSAL” but based on religious Islamic Shari’a Law- will ever become ECHR compliant? Except, the EU writes another “treaty” to introduce Sharia & sign up to the CDHRI.
What is so difficult to understand when its political leader waves the Quran in both hands and aims to capture the executive sultana presidency, replacing the existing parliamentary system of government?
Just keep’s all the EU bureaucrats busy talking & guessing for a few more years.
Never!
the title and subtitle are in contradiction !!! wtf
Turkey isn”t at all compatible with the EU!! it is a muslim country and the EU is by default a christian establishment … (although evrybody would deny it)!! everybody who talks about good turkey
I don’t know of any Islamic dictatorship from Middle East that has anything in common with European Union do you? So quit asking idiotic question about future EU members that are not Europeans firstly and not democratic secondly !!!
And the EU is so democratic, by continually violating the sovereignity of its member states. You know what, I say we ditch the EU membership deal. Perhaps renegotiate the rest of the deals too.
Yeah, the treaty of Sevres need to come back to the table ASAP
NO NO
Not at all.
Erdogan’s Turkey is not, free Turkey is.
EU is COLLAPSING. Problem solved!
Absolutely NOT.. 😒
Absolutely NOT..
He is a dictator, so definitely NO!
Certainly not, he made a law allowing him to be president until 2029. Do you think that’s democratic? Or do you think the coup was not planned to strengthen his power? No , no, no. Erdogan has not respect for Turkish people , do you think he has for the EU?
Lets grow up please….what more proof do you need to understand that this man is a DICTATOR !!! You guys are crazy to even think of writing an article on this matter !!!!
MARY NEREDE DİKTATÖR VARSA SENİ ÖPSÜNLER SONRADA ARKADAN SAPLASINLAR SANA KAŞINMA ZİLLİ
Britain out Turkey in … and the Ottoman empire returns.
Dictatorships are incompatible with European values. Full stop.
No
The Sultan dreams Ottoman Empire hahahahah…
Just another Dictator to Add to control of the World. Definately not – the EU needs no more of these.
NO WAY!
NO
The workers of the EU are not compatible with EU memebership. The EU is a wolfden of capitalists. Our industries, farmers, fishing has been destroyed by the EU and the captalism it supports. All countries should exit such an organisation..
E.U are primarily petrified of Turkey because of its population size and armed forces. Turkey should have been allowed in 10 years ago before Erdoğan became to powerful.
Well, back then, most of the country’s infastructure, economy and civil rights were considered to be “incompatible” with EU standards. You know what, the AKP regime did as a matter of fact made Turkey compatible with EU standards, but at the expense of national sovereignity and pride. This is why we nationalists always opposed him, while the EU praised him. Now we get questions like “is Erdoğan’s Turkey compatible with the EU”. Well, that is like offering him your direct support by giving him just another reason to push this precidency deal on us, by saying that the European Union is wary of it, so it must be good. I know for a fact it isn’t, but the EU’s stance is not making our case any easier.
Mehmet Özgün Uluğoğullarından…I bow to your superior knowledge. As a non Turk it’s very difficult to garner exact information.
We can follow up to the treaty of Sevres .This would solve several problems at once.
E.U are primarily petrified of Turkey because of its population size and armed forces. Turkey should have been allowed in 10 years ago before Erdoğan became to powerful.
Well, back then, most of the country’s infastructure, economy and civil rights were considered to be “incompatible” with EU standards. You know what, the AKP regime did as a matter of fact made Turkey compatible with EU standards, but at the expense of national sovereignity and pride. This is why we nationalists always opposed him, while the EU praised him. Now we get questions like “is Erdoğan’s Turkey compatible with the EU”. Well, that is like offering him your direct support by giving him just another reason to push this precidency deal on us, by saying that the European Union is wary of it, so it must be good. I know for a fact it isn’t, but the EU’s stance is not making our case any easier.
Mehmet Özgün Uluğoğullarından…I bow to your superior knowledge. As a non Turk it’s very difficult to garner exact information.
NO it is NOT!
NEVER!
الله يحميك
Abu Tayeb,
doesn’t God protect everyone equally? Rulers and commoners. Foe & friends. Rich & poor. Believers & non Believers? Isn’t the one God an unselective one- or?
NO. NEVER.
No dictators in the EU.
erdoğan diktatör değildir millet tarafından seçilmiş cumhurbaşkanıdır mazlum fakir aç insanları da korur sizin gazeteler medya sizi yanlış bilgilen diriyor türkiye de demokrasi vardır hukuk vardır.
ab de satılmış gazeteciler var türkiye yi karalamak için para ile satın alınmış bu medya gazeteciler siz gerçekleri bilmiyorsunuz türkiye ye gelin gerçekleri görün
diktatör dört milyon savaşdan kaçan suriyeli ve ıraklı mülteciyi ülkesin de bakmaz birde bu pencereden bakın gerçekleri görün erdoğan büyük bir liderdir aç insanlar için türkiye otuz milyar harcadı şuana kadar avrupa birliği yardım etmedi etmiyor
Sefa Ayhan Emecan
İngilizce konuşsan seni daha rahat anlar.
Erdoğan is the legitimate president, chosen by the Turkish people in a general election surveyed and approved of the o e cd – observers. He is therefore NOT a dictator.
Even if you do not like the way, he runs Turkey (and I guess perhaps his foreign policy)?
Could you please tell me why there are soo many people in prison ….all those who didn’t agree with his way of thinking are separate. ..principale journalist. …and why did he firred 12.000 employees? ???
It does not only matter how you come to power. How you stay in power can also turn you in a dictator
Essa é uma pergunta para levar a sério? Tantos anos à espera e agora no seu pior iam participar?
Essa é uma pergunta para levar a sério? Tantos anos à espera e agora no seu pior iam participar?
erdoğan diktatör değildir millet tarafından seçilmiş cumhurbaşkanıdır mazlum fakir aç insanları da korur sizin gazeteler medya sizi yanlış bilgilen diriyor türkiye de demokrasi vardır hukuk vardır.
ab de satılmış gazeteciler var türkiye yi karalamak için para ile satın alınmış bu medya gazeteciler siz gerçekleri bilmiyorsunuz türkiye ye gelin gerçekleri görün
diktatör dört milyon savaşdan kaçan suriyeli ve ıraklı mülteciyi ülkesin de bakmaz birde bu pencereden bakın gerçekleri görün erdoğan büyük bir liderdir aç insanlar için türkiye otuz milyar harcadı şuana kadar avrupa birliği yardım etmedi etmiyor
Eu was established in human Values and the right to Freedom! We do not need morons and a man in a full dreaming state
I think, it should not be forget that the relation between Turkey and EU based on mutual interest. There are a millions democrats and Kurdish people who are the friend of EU and respect the law and vaulues of Europe. And Turkey is also a big big market for european products. Turkey is not only Erdogan.
This Turkey you mention is the one we shouldn’t turn down. Especially now that is under such pressure. Unfortunately under Erdogan I don’t see how.
This is a temporary time. We should not cut the tie and relations we should help Turkish democrats people snd study Turkey better.
What makes you think that the kurds respect democratic values? When they loose elections in Turkey they respond with car bombs! ! The west of Turkey is liberal. The further you come East the more religious they are. And then comes Syria and Iraq on the other side.
The kurds are just like them! Only some Europeans have some romantic notion that the kurds live under a bubble dome where the religious surge go right over and under the dome lives a democratic people with respect for Europe.
But æt no such dome exists. The kurds are precisely the same as the east turks, the Syrians, iranians and the iraqies
Dear Vibeke Schneidermann, we can not say this for all Kurds or Turks. In all countries there are both democrat and extremist people. Turkey is a great country and has almost 80 million people. 1/4 of this people are Kurds. Nobody can say that all Kurds are for car boms or extremist
NO!
certainly not….
No. Never was. Never will.
No way
Assolutamente no no no!!!
This is a temporary time. We should not cut the tie and relations we should help Turkish democrats people and study Turkey better.
Never.
I would say no, but not so sure since the EU is not able to make a stand against corrupt politicians and appoints commissioners that failed the grilling and failed to get a vote of approval by the Meps. If EU chiefs dismiss such tests and still go ahead why the hell do they have these tests
Hey there Eurofags. I should start off by stating that I am not a fan of Erdoğan and will vote “no” in the upcoming referandum. With this out of the way, I’d like to address this question:
There is no “Erdoğan’s Turkey”. This country does not belong to a specific person, it belongs to the Turkish nation.
And I can’t help but wonder, was Turkey considered to be compatible with the EU before Erdoğan took power? To my knowledge, the European powers were delighted to see Turkey taking a turn to liberalism under his regime before he got the useful idiots out of the way to start claiming power for himself in earnest. Now you begin to ask the question, “Is Erdoğan’s Turkey compatible with the EU”.
Was this question asked in regards to the previous governments?
If not, why now? You are all a bunch of hypocrites, or you’re actually secretly working in his favor by bringing up such questions, because people who praise him often bring up the issue of the Eurofags opposing him in regards to the precidency, and now they’ll got definitive proof for that. Thank you for your time.
If externals questioning the merits of someone’s presidency makes erdogans supporters see that as some kind of proof of legitimacy, that is their problem, and lack of logic
Europe sticks it’s nose into everyone’s buisiness, and as a country currently looking to join as a full member, you could expect nothing less
Alex Browne
Well, Alex, their logic is irrelevant, but their votes are relevant.
Besides, that wasn’t my question: what I’m asking is, whether Turkey was compatible with the EU before Erdoğan took power or not. And if so, why they didn’t make Turkey an EU member back then, and why this question regarding Turkey’s compatibility is being brought up now, although it isn’t a new question, it was not asked within the context of which government ruled Turkey, but now, it is. Such questions raise all kinds of doubts in the minds of the people here whether they support Erdoğan or not.
Mehmet Özgün Uluğoğullarından, the answer is Cyprus, mainly.
Marius Rusti
Well that’s out of the question though. We won’t give that back.
@ Mehmet Özgün Uluğoğullarından, good day Sir!
…………..”Was this question asked in regards to the previous governments? If not, why now? You are all a bunch of hypocrites……….” Well said & valid criticism!
Would the EU not have shifted its goal post but rather restricted itself to pure economic criteria -when the EEC was created in 1958 (Treaty of Rome)- a Turkey- EEC economic partnership could have been in place after the Ankara Agreement in 1963 was signed.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ankara_Agreement
By burdening “economics” with political, social & ECHR values as conditions afterwards- “check mated” a Turkey- EU partnership of today. The EU was/is acting as a dishonest, hypocritical party, who doesn’t know how to jump over its own erected hurdles.
And there’s your answer. Wasn’t compatability then. Certainly isn’t compatible now. Looks even less compatable as time moves on.
James Robinson
And well I am not a sucker for the EU. The thing is, I don’t think that the “compatibility” issues have gotten worse, but in fact, better. Other than the Cyprus issue, many things in Turkey have actually moved to be compatible with EU standards.
But that’s what I don’t understand, why is the question asked now.
Time Ran Out for Turks and Turkey…
Hey there Eurofags. I should start off by stating that I am not a fan of Erdoğan and will vote “no” in the upcoming referandum. With this out of the way, I’d like to address this question:
There is no “Erdoğan’s Turkey”. This country does not belong to a specific person, it belongs to the Turkish nation.
And I can’t help but wonder, was Turkey considered to be compatible with the EU before Erdoğan took power? To my knowledge, the European powers were delighted to see Turkey taking a turn to liberalism under his regime before he got the useful idiots out of the way to start claiming power for himself in earnest. Now you begin to ask the question, “Is Erdoğan’s Turkey compatible with the EU”.
Was this question asked in regards to the previous governments?
If not, why now? You are all a bunch of hypocrites, or you’re actually secretly working in his favor by bringing up such questions, because people who praise him often bring up the issue of the Eurofags opposing him in regards to the precidency, and now they’ll got definitive proof for that. Thank you for your time.
Alex Browne
Well, Alex, their logic is irrelevant, but their votes are relevant.
Besides, that wasn’t my question: what I’m asking is, whether Turkey was compatible with the EU before Erdoğan took power or not. And if so, why they didn’t make Turkey an EU member back then, and why this question regarding Turkey’s compatibility is being brought up now, although it isn’t a new question, it was not asked within the context of which government ruled Turkey, but now, it is. Such questions raise all kinds of doubts in the minds of the people here whether they support Erdoğan or not.
Mehmet Özgün Uluğoğullarından, the answer is Cyprus, mainly.
Sefa Ayhan Emecan
İngilizce konuşsan seni daha rahat anlar.
Why are we even discussing if a fascist country couls join Europe?
Fascist? What do you mean by fascist?
I mean led by an autoritharian leader who has been shutting down all opposition with mass arrests, just saying
Btw,ask Kurds what they think about Erdogan
And you know what, the EU aided Erdoğan openly in this, being delighted with the fact that the country was becoming “more liberal”.
Yeah, we have had all forms of asshats in our country, speaking out against out national identity, our history, our legitimacy as a people, freedom of speech hit the top. We tried to stop this increasing degeneracy, but to no avail. Now all these liberal asshats are either in prison or have retired from public life. Serves them just right. Just right.
Most if the kurds actually vote for Erdoğan. They constitute 20-25 percent of the voters and the last thing many of them want is to be ruled by PKK. Or to have from Istanbul, where a quarter of them live and “home” to a Kurdistan that will be at war between themselves in a heartbeat.
I don’t like Erdoğan but this is not his regime and will not be. As you also know -but you don’t express- that EU is two faced community. Was southern cyprus compatible to join EU ? Was croatia was compatible to join EU ? Was poland compatible to join EU ? No, not even now they are compatible. ‘Following a failed coup in July 2016, the Turkish leader has acted quickly to arrest or dismiss anybody deemed to be a potential threat to his regime.’ This starting sentence pointed out that this article is a trash. About the first sentence of article of course you would prefer us to be controlled and governed by a religious (!) fucking puppet fethullah gülen but we don’t want and almost everybody was on streets in that night to prevent the coup, they were successful in doing that. To be objective, I can accept if you claim that Erdoğan is using those people who were against coup and taking political advantage for himself, it can be true and I am also against this situation like many of Turkish citizens.
no
In one word No.
Matteo Bernunzo
Well he’s done it before, and no one in Europe cared because the people who were thrown in jail were all patriotic military men, with the people that are now being subject to mass arrests being his accomplices in this, who are part of the Gulen movement, who aided Erdoğan willingly and knowingly, falsifying evidence to support his campaign against nationalists and the military. As for the Kurds, or more specifically the PKK and their legal representatives, they had a deal with the government to withdraw to Iraq, and only kill a few policemen and military personell so that they won’t look like complete tools, and he even gave them free hand in Universities so they could conduct propaganda in relative safety from the police, so that they were free in terrorizing campuses, forcing people to buy their monthly magazines that provide updates and propaganda material for their rage-quest for independence, and generally making all cities less safe for their respective inhabitants. Now Erdoğan does not need them anymore, and all these useful idiots are now having their backs broken, and to be honest, I think that they deserved it for aiding Erdoğan in his quest for being the absolute leader of everything.
Fuck these guys!
And you know what, the EU aided Erdoğan openly in this, being delighted with the fact that the country was becoming “more liberal”.
Yeah, we have had all forms of asshats in our country, speaking out against out national identity, our history, our legitimacy as a people, freedom of speech hit the top. We tried to stop this increasing degeneracy, but to no avail. Now all these liberal asshats are either in prison or have retired from public life. Serves them just right. Just right.
no.
No.
No. Njet. Nee. Nein. Non.
Erdogan isn’t even compatible with animals
Yes she is second choice, after Assad’s Syria…
The big question is why us this any of our business, we are leaving the eu so won’t affect us and secondly the way the liberals and left wing are behaving over brexit I think the comments about democracy and fascism is a bit hypocritical, this is becoming less and less a democratic country and is being led towards a semi dictatorship
Kimse artık tekerimize taş koyamıyacak dünyanın lideri yiz bız
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Kimse artık tekerimize taş koyamıyacak dünyanın lideri yiz bız
Abi dolar oldu 4, işsizlik şuanda zirvede, benzin fiyatı dünyanın en pahalısı, alım gücü çok düşük, refah seviyesi yerlerde, Türk lirası tarihi boyunca ilk defa bu kadar kötü durumda, ekonomisi battı dediğimiz Yunanlar bize gülüyorlar, her ay en az bir terör saldırısı oluyor. Sence gerçekten iyi bir ülke böyle mi olmalı? Yandaş medyanın, yalakaların dolduruşuna gelme lütfen. Bu adamlar 14 yıldır bu memlekette 14 yılda hiç bir şeyi düzeltemediler bundan sonra mı düzeltecekler, daha bugün vergi arttırmayı ya da dış borç almayı düşünüyoruz dediler. Dış borç olmuş 480 milyar lira. Memleketin gelir kaynağı sadece vergi üzerine. Üretim 0
Atakan senin abin ruya gkruyor
Mustafa ozbulut dünya liderimisiniz ☺☺☺☺☺☺
Erdoğan is the legitimate president, chosen by the Turkish people in a general election surveyed and approved of the o e cd – observers. He is therefore NOT a dictator.
Even if you do not like the way, he runs Turkey (and I guess perhaps his foreign policy)?
I actually do not think that Erdoğan and Turkey wants to be member of the EU anymore. ..There used to be around 20 percent against, but that number has increased to 50 percent and rising.
I bet it’s already far exceeding 50 % though…
By the way, I read your messages under this topic and seemingly you are well informed about Turkey and definitelly balanced views… Some how, any connection with Turkey?
I live in Turkey.
And I do not.love Erdoğan and I do think he is on a quest for power. But what politician is not.
But I can appreciate that he has brought the country financially forward. I can also see that most if the politic that Europe criticises is because he is thinking of Turkey first and last and does not care about Europe and USA. But why should he? They do not care about Turkey.
Regarding human rights and media oppression, I don’t know. It is nothing you feel as an ordinary person and I have also read it in foreign newspapers
But they are usually so wrong in what they write on items, I do know about, so I simply don’t know….
Erdogan has done a good job of getting rid of the ‘useful idiots’ who he used and got him power, now he combines the office of prime minister with his own he will soon be the next sultan…and Attaturk’s efforts to modernise turkey will have been in vain as it goes back to relying on religion and goes the way of iran and saudi.
First he has to win the referendum. Besides the change gives him the construction that corresponds to the one the US have and that is generally accepted and not doomed a dictatorship. At least prior to Trump. The Turkish people is not very religious and it us the part of Erdoğan they don’t like, but put up with because of the other results. He should, however, not push it. But if that becomes the result, then remember, that he actually tried Europe first…..
I actually do not think that Erdoğan and Turkey wants to be member of the EU anymore. ..There used to be around 20 percent against, but that number has increased to 50 percent and rising.
By the way, I read your messages under this topic and seemingly you are well informed about Turkey and have definitelly balanced views… Some how, any connection with Turkey?
And I do not.love Erdoğan and I do think he is on a quest for power. But what politician is not.
But I can appreciate that he has brought the country financially forward. I can also see that most if the politic that Europe criticises is because he is thinking of Turkey first and last and does not care about Europe and USA. But why should he? They do not care about Turkey.
Regarding human rights and media oppression, I don’t know. It is nothing you feel as an ordinary person and I have also read it in foreign newspapers
But they are usually so wrong in what they write on items, I do know about, so I simply don’t know….
First he has to win the referendum. Besides the change gives him the construction that corresponds to the one the US have and that is generally accepted and not doomed a dictatorship. At least prior to Trump. The Turkish people is not very religious and it us the part of Erdoğan they don’t like, but put up with because of the other results. He should, however, not push it. But if that becomes the result, then remember, that he actually tried Europe first…..
Most if the kurds actually vote for Erdoğan. They constitute 20-25 percent of the voters and the last thing many of them want is to be ruled by PKK. Or to have from Istanbul, where a quarter of them live and “home” to a Kurdistan that will be at war between themselves in a heartbeat.
NO !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
What makes you think that the kurds respect democratic values? When they loose elections in Turkey they respond with car bombs! ! The west of Turkey is liberal. The further you come East the more religious they are. And then comes Syria and Iraq on the other side.
The kurds are just like them! Only some Europeans have some romantic notion that the kurds live under a bubble dome where the religious surge go right over and under the dome lives a democratic people with respect for Europe.
But æt no such dome exists. The kurds are precisely the same as the east turks, the Syrians, iranians and the iraqies
No. no. no. Period.
There are already too mny despots inte EU, so no
It isn’t, I’m afraid…
NO! NEVER!
Nope
No muslim is compatible with the west
NEVER
No, it’s not.
But the debate is over. Why you ask again?
So far I don’t think so
SİZE NE LAN ŞEREFSİZ KAFİRLER TÜRKİYE NİN MESELESİNDEN ADİLER
Yürü be abi kim tutar seni savunuyorsun Vatanı Tek Başına Yardır.
كيف التقي بك ياسلطان الصحفي العراقي
EU exit to day, Turkey exit now,
Absolutely compatible, there are millions of Turks only looking for the chance to work in the EU it does not matter there are already millions of unemployed EU orders.
Never…unless violation of human rights is requisite condition😂
Never…unless violation of human rights is requisite condition
As a Turk I regret to say that by no means today’s Turkey can be integrated to Europe. Corruption, social problems and bad economy are the major reasons. On the other hand some EU member states, especially the new ones aren’t necessarily better than Turkey either however their problems are manageable since those countries are smaller in terms of population. Turkey must embrace the principles of Ataturk and become a well established fully democratic, transparent and an objective legal state. The achievement of this goal under/with the current government is simply impossible.
Fatih Ahmet Kabukçu Wtf
Turkey don’t deserve a premier like erdogan
Turkey don’t deserve a premier like erdogan, and under him its not possible, let him go,
Make Turkey great again.
No.
Oh Hell No.
Never!
No!
Absurd. No.
Fuck no. How is this even being considered?
No.
الله يمدك بالصحه والعافيه والدين والايمان ويعطيك ربك ليرضيك ولايشمت حدا فيك يارررب العالمين رجب طيب اردوغان انت رئيسنا للابد كلنا معك قلبا وقالبا الله يحفظك
Evet Turkiye de çok zorluklara ramen bu dünyanın sigortası durumunda bu gün Avrupaninda durumu hiç iç açıcı değil
RECEP TAYYİP ERDOĞAN sadece TÜRKİYENİN DEĞİL dünyadaki bütün MÜSLÜMANLARIN aynasıdır sonsuz güç kuvvet ve kudretin tek sahibi olan CENABI ALLAH yar ve yardimcisi olsun inşALLAH amin
Şimdi peygamber diyeceksin az kaldı biraz zorla bakalım
Yunus biz peygamberimizde biliriz milletine deger veren başbakanida biliriz kafanı yorma o konuda yıllardır türk gibi görünüp milleti sòmüren liderler utansin unutmadan PEYGAMBER efendimiz dünyada eşi benzeri olmayan tek insandır onun yolundan gidenlerde atamızdır nokta
Recep yani kero dünyanın en katil hırsız ve şeref sizin önde gidenidir müslüman lık la hiç alakası yok ve tam bir kâfir dir
Torbacinin numarasini yazar misin
hes is fghting for oil just like al other satanic world leaders
كيف التقي بك ياسلطان الصحفي العراقي
Turkey is a mirror that u see in yourself EU ;) Rights reflects rights , wrongs reflects wrongs .
with Erdogan, absolutely no, without Erdogan there is still long way to go. the constitution needs to be reformed but not the way the current government is trying to, basically today they are trying to change constitution to give absolute power to one man with no control mechanism. hopefully its going to happen
I would not respond to rhetorical questions, but instead note that Erdogan insurgence is in part the result of several years of European Mockery with the Turks in the so called negotiations to join the EU, someday they would be tired with the farce, so now we have a dictator in Turkey.
Well, more EU states are becoming like Turkey: Hungary, Poland, maybe France after the next election.
What‘s the point of asking such obvious questions ?
The debate didn‘t even start and it was already over.
Next debate: Is Putin the perfect european president ???
No please, he is not
Evet cunku biz AB uyelik surecinde fasillar acip kapayan, ticari ve yuksek duzeyde diplomatik politik iliskiler yuruten bi ulke degiliz. Hadi Singapur tepki verse neyse de AB ne alaka?
Who cares ?
None
Evet Türkiye ab ile en uyumlu ülkedir,Teröristlerle tüm dünyanın iyiligi ve barışı için savaşan modern bir islam ülkesidir.
Türkiye onbinlerce mülteciye kucak açan onları barındıran besleyen tek ülkedir,Bu sadece Müslümanlarla sınırlı degil,Bu ülke hristiyan bir ülkede olsa yine degişmez kucak açardı.
Uğur Kerti don’t. Feel pity for your countrymen who are pinned down by a vicious dictator.
Not in a million decades.
Erdogan’s Turkey is going fast backwards. The answer is no.
Noooo
Of course not.But it surely is with African Rogue States Union(ARSU) membership.
Gambia,Zambia,Namibia,Chad,Mali,Burkina Faso…Thanks to RTE.
No he is fast becoming a dictator
Reisimiz Demokrasiye bağlı, Milletin iradesinin dışında hareket etmeyen , Asil Turk Milleti tarafindan seçilmiş bir Dünya lideridir .
Heee mozambik:)))
Dünya liderimi hahahahaha
Nice joke
MARY NEREDE DİKTATÖR VARSA SENİ ÖPSÜNLER SONRADA ARKADAN SAPLASINLAR SANA KAŞINMA ZİLLİ
It comes for you ottoman Europa
bizler. birbirimizi. tutmasak. butip. sahislar. memleket. sorunlarina. burnunu. iste. boyle. sokarlar. herkez bir. musluman. ulke. olarak. vatandaslik. gorevini. yapmali. birlik. ve. berBerliye. kardesliye. birbirimize. sahip. cikalim. asil. turk. mileti. dostun. az. dusmanin. cok. fesat. cok. kalkinmani. istemiyen. cok. allah. yardimcimiz. olsun.
çok dogru yazmışsınız teprik ederim de mitink meydanlarımda CHP genel başkanı alevidir ha deyip yuhlatmamak gerekmezmi
Is he running a democracy? Does Turkey have Sharia law? Is Turkey compatible with European values? Does Turkey allow brutality toward women?
Answer these questions and you know how to vote.
Nope ! Absolutely NOT!!!
Short answer: no.
Long answer: hell no.
absolutely Yes, like Kosovo & Albania
With the EU’s dictatorial stance on so many issues I’d say he’ll fit right in there like a glove.
No, it could be wrong turn…
الله يحميك وينصرنا فيك يا سيد رجب طيب اردغان
Mehmet Özgün Uluğoğullarından the only country that violates the sovereignty of other nations is Turkey!!! Look at the daily violation of the Greek boarders and the invasion and occupation by Turkey of northern part of Cyprus. Look at occupation of western Armenia and invasions in Iraq etc, etc. I suppose you don’t encounter all these as you have no idea what democracy and human rights are and respect of other countries’ boarders!
Nope erdogan is becoming a dictator he copying Hitler’s steps. .
Vibeke Schneidermann Hitler was also chosen by the German people by elections,so Hitler wasn’t a dictator?
No, but it should not sour foreign politics in any other way.
No, he is a dictator who changes the rules of democracy on his favour.
No way
It is Sunday today! No inspiration for a more meaningful question?
Is Erdogan compatible with the Ataturk vision?
Οf course NO.Erdogan Passa is the distant past of ottoman empire
Οf course NO.Erdogan Passa is the distant past of ottoman empire
By now – NOT AT ALL!!!
NO
Why is this still debatable? Turkey is not Europe. Not geographically, not values, not religion, in no way shape or form.
NO
You must be joking…or blind.
No.
No!!
No he is an islamist dictator that has imperialistic plans and still occupies half Cyprus which is a member of Europe and treatens Greece with invasion! !
Stop your famous lies and your propaganda sir ,
Just tell me the reason why Turkey is in Cyprus ?
I tell you why, because you can’t tell the true you are ashamed to tell us the true,
Turkey is in Cyprus to protect the Turkish Cypriots from the EOKA B terrorist organisation, if any one wants to know about the atrocities of this terrorist group they can search on the google,
And you should say big thank you to Turkey because after Turkey came to Cyprus even the Greek Cypriot are living in peace mate.
Only a dead Turkish is a good one…You are all filthy animals…We will not say thank you to Turkey for invading Cyprus assholes ..One day you will pay for your crimes in Cyprus , bastards…
No!!!
No. But Turkey does not want join UE anymore. The european project is in a mess and Turkey changedthe way to develop its expansion..
NO! Not even a little.
No!!!
What a silly question…do they look like they want to join?
no
It is not just Erdogan it is also the majority of Turkish citizens who are incompatible as they voted for him, beheaded people in the streets (the coup)and kill transgenders. Let alone the barbaric police force.
No dictatorships or theocracies in EU please.
Hell no
Erdogan is only governed better than the whole of Europe together.
Erdogan has played an important role in the fight against terrorism, as Europe is showing mild.
French politics is full of corruption and is under Russian influence
France violates the rights of immigrants
While Turkey protects them
European Union should be dissolved and each state to work for his country
Than go back to Albania
Kovaci you are mental.
Or just poorly informed…
You are a turksperm gypsie,an ANALbanian who belongs to Asia!
Absolutely NOT!
I don.t think dictatorship is a value in UE.
I think Turkey itself is not compatible with EU membership and identity (which the enlargment has perhaps made us forget), let alone Turkey under Erdogan’s rule.
nope
The fact that he threatens UE or tries to force the hand of UE clearly shows he does not understand the values of UE.
Well i find not strange at all that this germanocentric Europe likes Turkey.
By the way dont you find awesome how Erdogan looks exactly like gollum?
No
Well it could be fun in the European council of ministers. Being named “nazi” each time you disagree with him would create a warm and cozy atmosphere.
Well Europe already support dictatorship regimes, Poland and alike some from outside like Ukraine and FYROM! It is also supporting Turkey dictatorship with European citizens money without asking none!
No ! But the European leaders are not better…
They continue to support a dictator ,not the only one ,for financial benefits and deals under the table … Meanwhile millions of Turkish immigrants live and work inside their countries , inside growth communities ..
No
No
No. For countless reasons. Most of them Erdogan’s fault.
NOT AT ALL!
Well. Any country in theory is welcome to EU since that’s the all point of the creation of EU. Now there is some rules. It is not acceptable Turkey with a president that wants all the power for himself and anything that is not quite like what he likes is wrong. So sorry all turkey people but until u somehow really get him out of power is gonna be impossible get inside EU. Now EU have a lot of is own fault on this situation. Erdogan is using this camp of refugees to create the idea that they are accepting everyone in need and we Europe don’t want help people in war created in great part by European states. What that say to the rest of the world? Erdogan is crazy for power but in is way of getting Europe sending money and power to him he just need keep accepting refugees. What in earth Europe think is doing. In this case this man is getting a lot of power because of Europe itself and the crisis of refugees. Europe need start saying enough or will have big problem in the future with this so call president of Turkey. Europe need have qualifications to act and not be afraid of losing some power. Is better lose some power now then in time don’t have any at all forever.
Eu is in mess, after the brexit eu will loose its brain, the fascist party’s are growing in Europe, in the near future small minded politician are going to be in power just like another trump, and like in holland with the fascist freedom party, in Bulgaria the fascist ataka party, in Greece the fascist Golden down party, in France the le pen in power what kind of future eu is going to have ?
With all this mess why Turkey should join the eu ?
No. Not when it’s not a free and democratic country.
NO Never.
No way,turkey belongs to Asia!
No
Türkiye,,Demokrat,Laik,Çağdaş,Özgür, çok güzel ülke.Gelin ,görün ,gezin
Türkiye,,Demokrat,Laik,Çağdaş,Özgür, çok güzel ülke.Gelin ,görün ,gezin
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Of course not, Turkey is a democracy while the EU is a totalitarian fake Nation.
NO!
Is a joke?😂
Is a joke?
Inviting another messy guest to the party when you should be getting your own house in order is about as dumb as you can get. Neither Turkey nor Europe is ready for such a step, and both are currently moving in the wrong direction.
Erdogan’s Turkey is certainly not compatible with EU values, but then again, neither are Kaczynski’s Poland, Orban’s Hungary, Rajoy’s Spain and many others, not to mention Draghi’s ECB and Juncker’s EU itself.
No!
No!!!!!!!!
Νo and no
Νo and no
no
Are you seriously asking if the Sultan’s Turkey is compatible with EU values? I am not even sure they’re trustworthy in NATO.
I believe that it is high time that Europe takes a decision series against this dictator, clearly. No against the turkish people, but against a government where his boss is a real fascist Sultan.
nop
Nein !
Never!!
With Erdogan as Sultan…..of course NOT!! And how unfortunate for the educated Turkish people…!!
Nope….of course not!!
Hell NO… And why do you think UK left EU? They always know what’s next. 😱
Hell NO… And why do you think UK left EU? They always know what’s next.
Hellz no! The Albanian Genocide 1385-1912 of brutal and barbaric Ottoman Turkey.
No
Peru is holding Europe as refers Erdogan wants money and power to control our borders and destiny The countries of the EU should call bluff the Erdogan and defend their borders to force Turkey to honor its signature of the protocol of Ankara
Definitely NOT!
Maybe we should let him in before he completely turns into rusia :/
Aunque lo dejaramos entrar, se convertiría en Rusia. Solo hay que mirar a Polonia y Hungría para saberlo.
No, it isn’t and it will never be. Turkey must never join the EU! 🚫🇹🇷
No, it isn’t and it will never be. Turkey must never join the EU!
Aunque lo dejaramos entrar, se convertiría en Rusia. Solo hay que mirar a Polonia y Hungría para saberlo.
NEVER EVER
No not at all. Different culture altogether
NEVER !!!!
Keep out of EU…your history , values have nothing to do with EU…be good to your own people and stick to your country..no one wants another Ottoman empire..your history is full of the blood of Armenians, Greeks, Albaniand.Kurds..and Bondians to name at least…oh and Cypriots too
On behalf of all “Nazis”: NEE
And you guys are even asking this question ? What the hell is wrong with you ??
NO!
Nope
NOPE NOPE NOPE
no
E a EU será ela própria compatível com a essência da sua criação?
E a EU será ela própria compatível com a essência da sua criação?
No. Never in europe the turkey. Out of europe the dictaror and the muslims
No
No !
Not with or under Erdogan Regime!
Is erdoğan compatible with Turkey? I dont think so.
Is erdoğan compatible with Turkey? I dont think so.
The fascists are everywhere now. And remember, not all Israeli’s support apartheid and colonialism, neither do all foreign Ashkenazim.
The beast, among the politicians and portions of the masses, fascism is on the rise again, I will not abandon true Hebrews.
I was in favour of Turkey’s membership 10 yeas ago. Today? NO!
17, anti-Swastika on a bat, meant for cops or any racist. On the tip of it was the A inside the O, because I was a pissed off anarchist.
Is Erdogan himself compatible with Democratic values and procedures?
Alpha and Omega yo, tagged it up on Lamm Road without really knowing doe. |Just the beginning, I am the Ω.>
Alpha and Omega yo, tagged it up on Lamm Road without really knowing doe. |Just the beginning, I am the Ω.>
The end.
Was like 20 or somethin.
Welcome Barlee Marlee :)
Remember when I told you we needed revolution as Biofilo Panclasta?
Yes we do
What a joke. Do not respect minorities, do not respect free press, he violates Human Rights. Turkey should aplied yo be a member of other nations that shares Turkey’s values.
Never!
My opinion, never!
hahahahahahaahahahahahahahahahahahhhhhhhhahahahahah
No…
Aha ha. .. the most silly question ever!
This person destroy Turkey!
this is a fair question
NEVER!!!!!!!
NEVER
No. Turkey is not proper for Europe now and in the near future. We already have instability in east for proper equal rights. We dont need other undemocratic partia at the table. Let s stabilize the EU for now, not extend it until its broken from inside
Isn’t it a bit too late to ask?! You were significant part of the creation of Erdogan’s Turkey!
No
Never and by no means ! Even a democratic Turkey has nothing to do within a European Union but specific preferred relationship could exist then.
No.
Ya’ll are in solidarity with Rojavan autonomy, right?
1117
No. Turkey is occupying the land of a member state Cyprus… in case you have forgotten…. Also many other issues are open violating everyday human rights and showing an arrogant political stand….
Ibrahim Uzun Shut the fuck up, what about the Greeks u slayed the hgue greek minorites in constantinopole and SMyrnh?And Turk cypriots and Greek cypriots are non of your business and our business. EOKA wasnt greek
Nooooooo! Never!!!
who is funding you with such innocent question ?
absolutly not
noooooooooooo
NO!!!!
Not in this form. It would be somewhat forgiveable if he was a dictator a’la Attaturk, but he appears to be aiming more towards a sultan (and not a wise/benevolent type). The catch is the fact that Turkey is holding EU by the b@lls with refugees and NATO/Russia. Will be interesting to see how this all plays out.
politician corruption in al EU states is not compatible with direct democracy
Turk Mongolians are suitable to an Eurasian union.
NOOOOOOOOOO. But also No to Hungary and Poland
Maybe next century .
NO NO NO!
Obviously NOT
It will never be and we should never forget what they did to Armenians and what are they doing now to Kurds. Least of all give them an opportunity to try to that to any of us.
http://markhumphrys.com/turkey.modern.html
http://markhumphrys.com/turkey.html
Beside only reason they are even in NATO is geopolitical interests and if they want to maintain good relations with us they will learn their place or you should apply some pressure until they understand that they need us far more then we need them. This is what geopolitics with Russia is all about and why Turkey is that bold that they dare to blackmail us with mess they created.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6njHg4TGBfc
This is what Turkey have been doing with civil war in Syria from beginning of this. That is why this mess with mass immigration is their fault.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=heUzDndfw8E
And greeks genocides… assyrians .. cyprus. Their crimes are terrible against christians and any other RACE(IDIGENOUS) .
Second link is for their whole history.
Second link is for their whole history.
Hell no!
No.
No
I thought that it became obvious for everyone that it isn’t compatible after the coup. Have I missed something?
No.
NO.
NO.
Absolutely No. But before Erdogan Turkey was a little more democratic than now!
NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO!!!!!!!!
NO !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Absolutly not!!
Unfortunatly no…… it is a pitty. Turkey could offer much.
NO
NO!!! NEVER !!!!
Why? Is Europe compatible with it self and the principles that founded the EU?
Not at all!
Not at all
Never!
No…. more
Is it really worth asking the question???
never!
Is that a rhetorical question?
Of course not. And we must stop considering what’s happening in Turkey as “their problem” just because he got democractically elected.
No !!!!!!!!!!!
No, and it’s not geting better, with the “coup” excuse to persecute opponents and critics, along with the ascent of islamism in society and in the state apparatus, Turkey is quickly turning into just another sharia loving Middle Eastern ditactorship.
No way!!
They are blasphems. In christians Pasxa they have referendum. So only muslims can survive in their country during we build mosques respecting all religions. They are barbars…threatening daily greece cyprus syria iraq(trying to took pieces) and burning kurds villages and murdering people. They hate europe and our values. Power of hate against any RACE or religion and the love of superiority to the other nations that they dont even recognize their exist-not even the idigenous minorities,shows a very dangerous team of islamists wolfs that dreams an empire once again in their bloody history.
No
no
At the moment no
…veeery funny
NO!
ΝΟ
ΝΟ
no
Does anyone think yes?
I wish, but it isn’t even close…
Who? The fascist?
Just don’t forget how Merkel got him involved in EU and put him in the position to threat EU!
Absolutely!
Fits perfectly with unelected ECB officials and unofficial Eurogroup blackmails to small countries.
absolutely and emphatically not
NO
Never
No
No- he is looking for strongman politics and seeking for a war to show off that he is not weak- Misguided supporters are mistaking this as well as leadership, rather than overcompensating for a weak position
No
The question we should ask is : is the EU compatible with its member states ? And the answer is No.
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Depends if you want Turkey to stop millions of financial migrants entering the Schengen area or not.
… hasn’t EU also paid something like 3bn to make Turkey stop the flow?
Giulia Noia Dipresa
They also promised the Turks access to Schengen and then membership of the EU, promises broken so why should Turkey honour any deal with Brussels ?
A nasty business paying someone else to do the EU’s dirty work don’t you think.
Yep, sometimes I wonder on what level EU burocrats take decision like this one… I mean is that the best way they can elaborate foreign policies?
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It’s what happens when second rate & failed politicians are given ultimate power.
I think it’s mostly their fault if EU isn’t working as it should… I mean I myself think that the Union could be something really useful for all the members, everyone could grow a lot even if each country is so different from the others… but when I hear that someone want to have its “own speed” leaving others behind… then what’s the point?! We should all be equally important members…
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The ideas of equality and solidarity in the EU are lies, the truth as ever is ‘who pays the piper calls the tune’ & in the case of the EU the piper is Berlin.
“Erdogan’s” Turkey in EU? LOL why not? Next step Kim’s North Korea.
If only it was just Erdogan. Unfortunately for the EU the huge potential customer base of Turkish citizens have proved that the majority are Erdogan. Keep EU citizens safe and strike a trade deal only. No visa-free EU travel.
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Brussels has said that is impossible, no free movement = no trade deal.
The EU has agreements with lots of countries, including Turkey: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/European_Union_free_trade_agreements
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Economic_Partnership_Agreements
No way! And it is not just Erdogan’s Turkey. It’s Turkey as a whole. They have a totally different political and scocial culture plus a totaly incompatible religion
Definitly NOT !
Nope, never was and never would be.
Turkey should be booted out of NATO after Erdogan’s threats against EU citizens.
#Removekebab
attaturk wil remain the only 1 great turk they have Erdogan is a Zionist puppet.
No! But what did you do to stop him?! What EU did to support the democracy in Turkey?! Nothing!
is the eu now responsible for the democracy in Turkey?? i don’t think so. let’s stay out of it…
Then why EU doesn’t stay out of Syria and so many other countries?!
Because shias and sunny murderers they genocide the last christians there that needs our protection from rats and racists killers
His organization feeds from fears. If Turkish people were aware that Europe is there for economical support (tourism, investments etc.), or that we are on the same page with subjects like border security (Syrian war), terror (ISIS) etc., they’d not have to be so much powerful to get people vote for dictatorship today. But all Europe did was extra threatening: If this continues then Turkey is out of Europe. And all this leads to more fears, and more power for the authoritarian. So this post is actually very relevant.
The democracy in Turkey is better than in Bulgaria,
The economy in Turkey is better than in Greece,
The living standards in Turkey are better in the most Eu country’s,
So what are you talking about ?
There are many good things in Turkey but today you don’t have democracy! Obviously it is right what people say: “The fish don’t have a word for water”.
Better North Corea – atleast more democratic …
Not even a little.
I don’t think so.
Its not even compatible with UN membership
Hahaha that would be a great joke fifteen days ago :-P
What a stupid question!
Matter of choice
turkey should withdraw membership application.
european politics to hostage to leftovers from 1939
This is not even a topic to address Turkey is not European neither by history nor ethnically..nor with anything..nothing in common!
This awful Eu thinks only to money. The rest doesn’t count.
They want to occupute west… they are racists nationalists muslims imperiors. In Pasqua they have referendum to humiliate christianity. They dont respect no other state or religion or race except those that they used them and victimize only themselves-poor muslims that crusaders hates them-but they violate all borders because was… othomans 200 years ago,they have referendum in Pasqua and they want centrical big mosques in all our capitals.. They love blood tortures and murders. Europe has other values. These crimes against humanity should stop or call an International court
I know you have to much hatred against Turkey ,
But :
Before you start you hatred you should know this ,
In Greece in alexandroupoli the Greek fanatics burn down 600 years old Muslim mosque,
In imathia 3 weeks ago the Greek police shut down Muslims mosque despite had all the permition from the local council.
I helvete heller!
No, not a chance!
I helvete heller!
No, not a chance!
I helvete heller!
No, not a chance!
I helvete heller!
No, not a chance!
Are you mad
The democracy in Turkey is better than in Bulgaria,
The economy in Turkey is better than in Greece,
The living standards in Turkey are better in the most Eu country’s,
So what are you talking about ?
Talking about a dictator?
Ibrahim, silencing/imprisoning/exiling your problems (economic or political or religious) is not a valid European solution. Economies especially come and go.You had a “coup” a few months ago or whatever that was. Your people tend to have short-memory though. Next time you have headache, will you cut your head to make it go away?
Valeria Tancredi
Yes I’m talking about Mussolini
Αλέξανδρος Γεροφωτης I don’t have any hatred for any one, my religion forbid me to hate the people that’s why I don’t have headaches , but if you want to make the things differently you are mostly well come to cut your head and walk again.
Ibrahim Uzun Mussolini has gone…. it has been a very terrible page of Italian history (I am ashamed about him….)that we left behind us. Your dictator is increasing his power day by day.That’s the simple difference…anyhow I don’t care if you dream an Islamic republic,where freedom has strong limitations ….I only hope that after that you don’t beging to run away from your rich and prosperous country for going to live to the rest of Europe…..
You are a dictatorship that is the problem
Erdogan is a dictator. You can’t justify him being a dictator because Europe has had dictators in the past. They are dead and buried. They are the reason the whole EU process started in the first place.
How many times have I answered NO? How many times do we have to answer NO?
https://youtu.be/Gj3-a08ALiU
Ότι είναι η χ.α στην Ελλάδα αυτός είναι κ ο Ολλανδός φασίστας στην Ολλανδία.
Ίδια σκατα είναι.
Μπορεί και να είναι, γιαυτό όλοι οι προθυπουργοί πρέπει να φεύγουν αν δεν κάνουν το καθήκον τους προς τον λαό.
Iμπραήμ, το πρόβλημα δεν είναι τα πρόσωπα και οι ομάδες…Το πραγματικό πρόβλημα είναι το τι πρεσβεύουν και τι μηνύματα προωθούν..Ο κ. Ερντογάν, έχει περάσει σε ένα παραλήρημα μισαλλοδοξίας, άνευ προηγουμένου, για να συσπειρώσει έναν πυρήνα ατόμων με εθνικιστικές τάσεις και φρονήματα…Το τελευταίο διάστημα το μονο που ακούμε απο τον πρόεδρο της “Δημοκρατίας” της Τουρκίας (άκουσον άκουσον) είναι απειλές και κακουχίες για τους Έλληνες, τους Ολλανδούς τους Γάλλους τους Ευρωπαίους κλπ. κλπ. Κατ’εμέ θα ηταν σώφρων, αν ο Τουρκικός λαός έβγαινε απο το τρυπάκι της διχόνοιας, που ολοένα και μεγαλώνει, και να αποφάσισει αν θέλει να διοικείται απο έναν τρομακτικά αδίστακτο Σουλτάνο Η οχι..Καλημερα
Bit of a nonsensical question. There is even consensus among EU politicians that current Turkey is not compatible. We don’t have to open a pseudo-debate.
Do you need to ask?
A Turkey that adopts EU beliefs of Democracy religious tolerance and good relations with neighbours in a Win-win manner is a Turkey wanted as an EU partner. I am not sure that at this stage EU membership is feasible due to political considerations in both the EU and Turkey. However we need to find ways to cooperate. Issues like Cyprus, Syria, affect both.. So we need to build stronger dependencies so that common interests unite us and conflicts averted…
Everything you said is correct. Unfortunately it all depends on one factor. The absolute reversal of the innate and intrinsic character of Turkey (policies, agressiveness, mentality, people and poiticians). Do not expect such a change in our lifetime! Since they first appeared in our area, 1000 years ago, they have remained exactly the same!
Well if Hungarian Victor Orban is, why not Erdogan ?
No comparison.
Fuck no
It surely has a lot in common with Nazi Germany.
simple answer: NO
Stronzi Turchi, ohhh
Stronzi Turchi, ohhh
Stronzi Turchi, ohhh
Stronzi Turchi, ohhh
NO!!!!!!!!!!!!
well, many EU countries like the style for themselves, so…
Is somebody like Erdogan, who is currenltly seeking to hold hegemony to himself, really willing to enter a community where sovereingty is given to supranational structures?
Ja ja evet evet evet evet evet evet
Not even as a joke!
What a question!
Happy Ester :D
Ordogan is compatible with PUTIN only.
Not now and not ever…..
http://markhumphrys.com/turkey.modern.html
http://markhumphrys.com/turkey.html
A Sheep No More
Nein
Up to the moment the answer is kinda obvious! :p
No , of course.
Yes
No, but neither is Kaczyński’s Poland nor Orban’s Hungary.
Of course not
Hüseyin Demirezen
:/
Is it compatible with democracy? Not really. :/
It is compatible at the same rate as Russia. Are the authoritarian states compatible with EU membership?
The question must have been like this: “Is EU compatible with Turkey?” NO. Because EU is a corrupt and hypocrite bloc. France, South Korea and the US are also presidential democracy, but when it comes to Turkey, you start behaving like a butthurt lol
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Its either Turkey in the EU or millions more migrants entering the EU, a pity the people posting here will never get a say in it.
The unelected European Commission will decide and you will pay the price, either way.
Not unelected, just indirect elected. When People vote in European Elections they actually vote for EC too!
Γιώργος Ζεγκλίνας
Which El Presidente candidate did you vote for ?
‘Appointed’ is not elected.
English people doesn’t belong to EU. So take care of your islands!
Yes, we elect members of european parlament!
Jose GM
But you do NOT elected the European Commission.
Is European racism and xenophobia compatible with Turkey, is better question, rather than dangling the proverbial carrot that’ll never be.
Hell no !!!!!!
You got to be kidding me!
Nnnnnnnnnnnnnnooooooooooooooooooootttttttttttttttttttttt,Is not Compatible….:).
It should be, as EU was one of his main promoters until recently
Of course not!!
It’s never going to happen now.
I dont think so. Dictatorship is not acceptable in Europe
Since they force people to do what they know it’s not the best for them, so ya they are more than vompatible
Since they force people to do what they know it’s not the best for them, so ya they are more than vompatible
Since they force people to do what they know it’s not the best for them, so ya they are more than vompatible
If the core principles of the European Union are based on democratic values, pluralism, market economy, and unrestricted freedom of expression, Endorgan’s Turkey should be excluded from the European project.
I agree! But radicals just see their point of view!!!
He did help found ISIS threatens violence in Europes streets by floodingbit with refugees amoungst them jihadists, of course what could go wrong Erdogan is one with the CLOWN show puppets running the EU
What a question ? NO. Turks will never have european values….maybe others good to them but not to us.
Now that turkey is a sultanate has thr standard of democracy to join the eu.
Eu is not democracy. Death to the eu!
Freedom from it!
People first.
I prefer 100 lives in EU countries then in Turkey or other countries like this and there is no respect for others like people who want to death other people!
Just give europe a few more years and all of us shall see.
The europe is already showing us it’s true nature.
And it’s not democracy nor wealth for the people.
Poverty, autocracy and destruction of rights.
Andrea Scacchi dude ,what are you smoking? you should be happy for living in the EU.
No! Erdogan is another Assad! They like power and don,t respect others parties!
NO DICTATORSHIPS AREN`T SUPPOSEDLY
It wasn’t before Erdogan, why should it be now? Are you insane?
It this some kind of joke?
No. Not anymore.
If you think it ever was you have no idea how Turkey really works. Do you think people that voted for Erdogan appeared just last night ?
They made great strides towards membership with constitutional reform in the late 90s early 2000s. But this has all been undone.
And they fucked it for one night ?
And they fucked it for one night 😂
Well they have been fucking it up for a while. This is just the cherry on top
Duirmuid Mac Sean Do you realize that thing you are talking happened 30 years ago ? And they happened just because they wanted the money from the pre-join programs AND a lot of preferred trade deals which is pretty much the only thing they cared about and NOT really joining. Looks like you haven’t dealt much with turks in your life :) Their first thought is “how to screw that ‘trade partner'”. I’m putting “trade partner” in quotes coz for them you are just a scam victim . It’s in their culture.
it has never been; probably never will be…
I don’t expected to known another dictador in my life.
No turkey should be thrown out of nato
Probably not, but Turkey does not want to be a EU member anyway, so the question is irrelevant… Peace
Thought onky the greeks didnt want turkey to e.u.
Impressed to see ppl from many wuropean countries tk express against them..
If Turkey dont remove military troops from north cyprus, which is assumed by all in e.u that is european soil that its been occupied, then in my opinion e.u. shoukdbt even consider turkey as a potential e.u. countty.
Many thungs are wrong there…(Istanbul Ankara and Izmir majority voted no yo jis referendum. Thats nkt a coincidence)
Seriously ?
Only Constantinople is in Europe the rest of Turkey is in Asia
there is no Constantinople in Turkey. it is Istanbul since 1453!
Do you mean is tin poli.?to the city?
Do you mean is tin poli?to the city
Do you mean is tin poli?to the city?
How corrupt or stupid is the EU?? The answer: Both and very corrupt and stupid.. Just watch
al EU states have corruption cumplicity with politicians, what are UE doing to fight this corruption plague?
Of course not..need to ask?
Of course yes, EU is not democratic, Turkey the same, so they match perfectly.
Jelena Lara Marinković plz procitaj
the question should be states as “is the EU going to stop supporting Erdogan anytime soon?” seriously people, do you think that Erdogan got that much power and risen without any support from the EU? funny fact! remember Merkel is one of the biggest supporter of Erdogan!
The point is whether Turkey is compatible with EU membership or whether E.U. is strong enough to be humanistic and respect its own citizens in the first place?
No, definitely NO!
Absolutely no way. Erdogan’s Turkey is a dictatorship, not a democracy!
No, never been.
Ahahahaha NO!
how is this even a question?
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Don’t be silly, Turkey is a democracy so does not fit in with EU ideology.
AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH
Leonardo Monteiro .
Did you vote for El Presidente Juncker ?
Potato head…
Ivan Burrows A democracy witha dictatorial constitution.
Miguel Hilário
Not only that but it is a constitution rejected by the French and then renamed the Lisbon treaty to bypass the democratic process.
The EU is a union built on deceit, half truths & lies.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/europe/4592243.stm
Ivan needs to take off the tinfoil hat.
Debating Europe – How is the above post not spam ?
Wait, I’m confused. Wasn’t the Turkey’s possible accession one of the reasons why Britain voted out?? http://www.express.co.uk/news/politics/673064/David-Cameron-Ukip-EU-referendum-membership-Turke-lying-Farage
Do throwing journalist that oppose government and close their media in line with EU values …. shutdown social media access when there is news you do not like …
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It happened in the EU with the journalist who exposed Emperor Juncker’s role in Luxleaks so what’s the difference ?
https://www.theguardian.com/business/2016/may/10/luxleaks-prosecutors-whistleblowers-tax-evasion-luxembourg-deltour-halet
Ivan Burrows the difference is that journalists in EU get prosecuted while journalists in Turkey mysteriously disappear
lol no
It’s an easy No.
I am very suprised the MEPs have such short vision as blaming Erdogan for not being compatible with the EU when the majority of Turkish citizen voters obviously support him and it is they who are not compatible with the EU. Turkey will always be a danger to the EU when you depend on the leader not on the majority of the people for compatibility. It only took one Erdogan leader to prove this to the world. And it could happen at anytime an Erdogan style leader gets elected in whichever unlucky decade. This is dangerous if it happens again once Turkey has a secular leader, then votes in another dictator. Based on these facts, they do not belong in the EU-ever. A special trade relationship is enough.
>51% of support to Erdogan with an 85% of participation and suspicions of irregularities
>majority
Yeah, what else
No, but Turkey does not belong to Erdogan and EU should not punish turkish people, because of Erdogan’s ambitions.
Vote or revolt, if you see it fit. It is your duty. It is a democracy (at least on paper) and for better or worse you ARE responsible what your government is doing.
Karlo Definis Revolt? lmao Dude hits 55-60% in public vote thats more than any EU current leader.He is a dictator with public acceptance, sad but true, dont let em in EU
Karlo Definis He’s hardly has %50 support, but more than any other leader. Hope things will change soon.
The EU will do well under the effective leadership of Macron and Merkel. It does not need to expand its frontiers. Turkey is a useful geopolitical buffer with the rising Asiatic civilisations.
Erdogan admires Hitler and his practices. He said it many time in public. He is zelotist of his religion so turks beliece that they have the right God so they must kill all the others. Turkish genocides and Racism against idigenous christians majorities-not minorities-and kurds are covered from history- thats why Hitler did the same like Kemal,his teacher.. he murder million europeans for fun
Turkey is also called Asia Minor. Go figure!
Asia minor is the Greek name of the historical area where the actual Turkey is
Andreas Laskaris yes, I know. Am myself Greek 😊
Andreas Laskaris and by the way, as long as they want to transform the agia sophia into a mosque, they have nothing to lose in europe! I mean not that in Constantinople. That one on the western coast. I cant remember the name of the town.
https://youtu.be/MxuZ-ZVsIQU
Rethoric question…
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NO !!
Eu have problem with birthrate, we all know that.. corporate lobby in Bruxxell, may need more labor hand, but we dont need new dictatorship and all those asian noneducated muslims! /EU’s GDP need HIGH EDUCATED PEOPLE..,Ukranians, Macedonias and Serbya..are 70 000 000 As now, the problem is almost solved. Think Smart. I wish fast EU membership for those 3 nations Otherwise, we have to fight against islamisation with other methods.
Macedonians are already in Europe if you miss the information! Greece is a full EU member since 1980
Macedonia is a region and country as well, it was part of Bulgaria more than half century ago. Macedonia is not EU member. But half of young ang inteligent macedonians, apply for bulgarian citizenship and recieve it very easy, that’s why they are able to work and travel in EU. It’s very easy for them.. Becousr all macedonians actually are bulgarians and they speak bulgarian language, that’s why you see them everywhere in EU as minority. The name of this region, is pronlemstic for Macedonian-Greece diplomacy and relationship, i know.. But pls, now it’s not time for Greek patriotism.
Andreas Laskaris he means Vardarska or FYROM as the Greeks (and only the Greeks) call them
Macedonia as region, is bigger than our new nabor and country Macedonia. We know that as well. PLEASE, stop with your patriotism Bulgaria and Greece, as nabors and christians as well, have another problem. Problems with birthrate in Macedonia and muslims rise there as well.. If we want to resolve that, need recognition by greek authoritys of “Macedonia”, as name of country and new future EU member . Perhaps this will produce many other small problems for greeks, as “regional products and names..in eu.. and not only.. But they are small problems, for one strong and I hope still christian society, as EU.
Μate , nothing to do with Greek patriotism but with logical thinking , if you called yourself educated and you call this country Macedonia then I’m really sorry about you !
I agree that the young people from this area , even Bulgarians or Albanians they try to go out of fyrom and study but since they don’t accept that this name and this history is not for use , they will never ever enter Europe !
And well said about Christian EU but that’s a fairytale , have u ever been in Germany ? Muslims gonna be over 50% in 10 years
Боян Максимов all FYROM needs to do is respect the rest of the existing EU countries, Greece included, by not appropriating their civilisation and name…All prolems will be solved afterwards…I do not understand why you consider Greece needs to be the bigger man here…Give away our names, maybe our lands , our islands to whomever comes by??? What has been given to us for free by the rest? Nothing…
The EU already has Orban and Kaczynski to screw things up. It doesn’t need more populist authoritarians.
Hell, no!
Mark Jarecki!!! What are you talking about? Eu leaders and uninformed people like you screw things up!!!
Anyway NO for Erdogan!
no no no
tipical question….in the current UE….sad, very sad.
Is this a joke? :))))
Of course YES!!! If it wouldn’t be compatible to EU membership, why is EU continuing to give money to Turkey? Who’s deceiding that?
To keep 5 million illegal economic migrants in their camps
Or not when I can see them here!
Rémi Martin trust us , there are another couple of milions in refugee camps in Turkey…
Islam is not compatible with Eu.
Is that why 8000 Muslim Bosnians were massacred? On European soil?
Replay!
Wanting to ban youtube and twitter is sooo european , and baning evolution in school is soooo progressive …
And this question is soooo not stupid…
Why? Is Turkey ethinically European race? Just because theyvswitched to using the (western/roman/latin..i dont remember what it is called now)from Arabic alphabet by hiring French linguist to invent modern Turkish language which is a mix of French Persian Arabic and Turkish.
I don’t think Europe is about race. It’s about values, which invalidates Erdogan’s Turkey even more.
What does the language have to do with this? Maltese is an official language in Malta, an EU country, with more than 50% of it coming from North African roots.
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Absolutely not! Turkey is divided to a magiority of analphabet islamists and a minority of educated people. Let’s help first the democratic minority to take control of their country and after discuss about a future cooperation with Europe.
No less than Ukraine is compatible. Of course if the true reasons to deny the EU membership to Turkey are actually those declared by the EU officials. Which becomes harder and harder to believe with every day past.
The hell it is
That question is a joke, right?
No, and I doubt the majority of Turks want anything to do with the EU anymore, they chose the middle eastern path of authoritarian theocracy, which means, good riddance.
That is a joke or a question?
In his dreams.
Actually many Greeks want Turkey in the EU so that we do not have to hold the EUROPEAN borders by ourselves anymore. It’s EU’s job to help with border patrol. Instead the Greeks are left alone to host as many immigrants as Turkey slave drivers shift. Yes to the entrance of Turkey in the EU and wishing 5 years they will be running Europe. Get ready to wear a hijab, burka, stop making fun of Kemal Ataturk and say bye bye to Internet as you know it
SAUDI GREEN 1320
SAUDI GREEN 1320 TIRKI
Stop asking. No.
No as well as it is Poland if passes the bill that will enable political courts
No. Evolution is not banned here
Yes. Turkey does not meet the prerequisites of the Copenhagen Agreement.
not at all. turkey must get rid of this dictator wannabe first.
Maybe yes , but maybe the European part of Turkey , the coast and Istanbul with a democratic government! It’s this 3-4% of Turks that they are really European , the operate in Europe they travel in Europe they are not following radical Islam or Islam at all ! AND YES fucking Islam is the problem !
Yes,why not? Remember people like Barroso,Blairand Aznar,these made actions with negative results, for us
Turkey has been distancing itself from European values, aims and practices.
Turkey is under a salafist psychopath islamofascist regime of a terrorist ally of jihadists, an illiterate butcher named Recep Tayyip Erdoğan. Freedom and solidarity to the turkish people who suffer and lose their lives under his corrupted arabic paranoia. Shame to plutocratic burocratic corrupted EU for not fighting for real DEMOCRACY.
short answer NO! they should have made them a member 25 years ago.. then a dictator like Erdogan would never have rissen!
Turkey needs to be cut up into pieces and those pieces need to go back to their original owners, Armenia, Pontus, Asia Minor Greece (Capadoccia), Kurdistan, etc., and the EE needs to be broken up into the nations as they were before Germany Limited Company absorbed them in a sneaky NAZI style.
NOOOOOOOOOOOO, Erdogan is a criminal, an islamist, a junkie!
NO !!!
why do you keep asking?? NO !
NO WAY!!!!
Not even close!!! When the answer is so obvious don’t make the question…
Never, please!
What is happening in Cyprus is compatible with EU?
The reason why they’re so keen on Turkey being in the EU is not for humanitarian reasons, as they like to portray. Indeed, it’s rather to gain access to resources of the middle east. -Just like in colonial times (BTW, the powers that be in colonial times made out out colonialism was about humanitarian things too -bringing civilisation to the world ;) ).
Erdogans Turkey is not even interested in joining the EU. In my eyes his goal is to make turkey a third Arabic pole between S. Arabia and Iran.
There is only ONE clear answer to that question. And that is NO!
They must know, if they invited them. Let´s be diplomatic at least.
No, and he is well with his country! Turkey could live verry well without Europe! Cheers!
NOT !
NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!
Yes? OH NO!
Nope.
Nope.
Nope.
Nope.
Nope.
NO? LMAO
yeah, i’d say no to Turkey being in the EU, at least now that Erdogan is a full on despot.
No, No, No
IS THIS REALLY A QUESTION?
Is that a rhetorical question? Of course NOT
Well, it seems the popular opinion is clear on the matter. I join the chorus of NO.
What kind of joke is this? What common would an Islamic dictatorship have with the values and culture of Europe? The fact that they stole Greek cities in Anatolia doesn’t make them Europeans. How about Iran, Iraq and Libya? Are they applying for EU membership as well?
What kind of joke is this? What common would an Islamic dictatorship have with the values and culture of Europe? The fact that they stole Greek cities in Anatolia doesn’t make them Europeans. How about Iran, Iraq and Libya? Are they applying for EU membership as well?
What kind of joke is this? What common would an Islamic dictatorship have with the values and culture of Europe? The fact that they stole Greek cities in Anatolia doesn’t make them Europeans. How about Iran, Iraq and Libya? Are they applying for EU membership as well?
What kind of joke is this? What common would an Islamic dictatorship have with the values and culture of Europe? The fact that they stole Greek cities in Anatolia doesn’t make them Europeans. How about Iran, Iraq and Libya? Are they applying for EU membership as well?
What kind of joke is this? What common would an Islamic dictatorship have with the values and culture of Europe? The fact that they stole Greek cities in Anatolia doesn’t make them Europeans. How about Iran, Iraq and Libya? Are they applying for EU membership as well?
https://youtu.be/-K7fCQlUhj0
Of course not.
100 percent no
For sure no!!
Absolutely not. He’s an authoritarian dictator. Europe has no place for national leaders like this jerk. Trump loves this Erdogan because Trump loves authoritarian dictator type of leaders.
Ofc No. (Political) Islam is NOT compatible with European values.
Is this even a real question?
Is this even a real question?
Is this even a real question?
Is this even a real question?
Is this even a real question?
Turkey, yes. Erdogan’s Turkey, no.
hahahahaha
No please. Of course not.
NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO !!!!!
Nop!
No, definitely not! Turkey is no longer anymore a laic state. That is no that Turkey, which Kemal Ataturk fight for!
Of course not.
He looks and acts like a South America dictator at is best !
My barber knows more about democracy than him !!!
If the answer is YES than so is Russia ready to join. Poland and Hungary, with all their limitations, are nowhere close to the level of nationalism and dictatorship measures installed inside their countries.
NO ! To me there is no discussion around this. Erdogan is a dictator. A very clever one intoxicating his population softly, step by step. He is dangerous and we must not accept a behavior like this one in Europe. This is not because Turkey is key for geopolitic purposes that we have to accept the way how this country is driven at the moment. As we can’t directly change this because Turkey is a sovereign country, we have to use the non negotiation leverage to try to influence and make the change.
Turkey can’t enter EU with this undemocratic system. But on the other hand EU is already not a good place to join anymore. It’s only good for being in the Schengen area, nothing more, be honest.
Back to Basics of Reasoning: allowing Turkey into the European Union Club is like allowing a Beast into your peaceful family.
Not with the current policies.
You must be kidding, a dictatorship could join the EU????
Is this a joke?
who told you that turkey wants to be an eu member ? erdogan just wants to get a clear answer from the eu , a sincere “no” ! then the country will turn its face to russia and china completely.
just a few days ago erdogan had an interview with french tv and said ” the eu must give an answer. then we’ll do what it requires” in short, he wants to hear ” no” . majority of the country is against the eu, btw .
Absolutely Not EU or NATO
He is dictator! I hope they will never be in EU.
No lo veo. I don’t see it.
Lol sure
Lol sure
Lol sure
Lol sure
Lol sure
NO – only we have to try to keep Turkey out of Putin’s clutches – otherwise the Black Sea is closed off !
Izogoud you mean… no, not compatible at all.
Absolutely Not! One doesn’t have to be a rocket scientist. Although, a member of the European Customs Union, Turkey has been aspiring to enter the EU for the past 30 years. If the current political ambiance continues, Turkey will never be admitted to the EU.
Absolutely Not! One doesn’t have to be a rocket scientist. Although, a member of the European Customs Union, Turkey has been aspiring to enter the EU for the past 30 years. If the current political ambiance continues, Turkey will never be admitted to the EU.
Absolutely Not! One doesn’t have to be a rocket scientist. Although, a member of the European Customs Union, Turkey has been aspiring to enter the EU for the past 30 years. If the current political ambiance continues, Turkey will never be admitted to the EU.
Absolutely Not! One doesn’t have to be a rocket scientist. Although, a member of the European Customs Union, Turkey has been aspiring to enter the EU for the past 30 years. If the current political ambiance continues, Turkey will never be admitted to the EU.
Absolutely Not! One doesn’t have to be a rocket scientist. Although, a member of the European Customs Union, Turkey has been aspiring to enter the EU for the past 30 years. If the current political ambiance continues, Turkey will never be admitted to the EU.
Why don’t we solve simpler things first. eg.Cyprus, Christians, Armenians and Kurds in Turkey, changing the name of Istanbul back to Constantinoupoli, etc…. Then maybe Turkey’s accession might be easier and more convincing….
If the EU become any less democratic and free, they may be compatible
Short answer: No.
But if the EU had accepted Turkey 20 years ago would Erdogan have come to power?
http://www.fairobserver.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/11/Kim-Jong-un-.jpg
Debating: no.
Yesterday he said he will ”chop the heads off” his enemies and return the death penalty. His former foreign minister wrote a book about Neo-Ottoman imperial revival. His party officials constantly speak about a new Ottoman empire from Bosnia to Iraq. Does that sound compatible with EU membership to you?
Erdogan destroyed Turkey’s democracy with thousands of arrests of innocent professionals an illegal referendum to increase his personal political power.
No. If only all questions were this easy!
La Turquie est en Asie.
We have to somehow keep this relationship going. Of course the absence of rule of law is incompatible with eu democratic traditions, but we cannot alienate Turkey.
Turkey alienates itself by making huge steps backwards. To be part of Europe, they need to accept at least basic rules
I agree she has to change course, because she head straight to autocracy. But ending all negotiations would push her further into turmoil.
Dear Gürkan, I m not sure that the majority of the people don’t want to join the EU…And please do consider that it doesn’t have to be either/or, either with Russia or the EU, it can entertain good relations with both, and become of beacon of democracy in the middle east.
Well if the EU needs another genocide done, then sure.
As compatible as ISIS
The right question would be “Is EU membershio compatible with your country?” – obviously not!
That’s the only smart question to make to erdogan: would you decentralize giuridical, political Power from your figure, open internet and free press, fight corruption and let police work indipendently?
I know the answer, but I’d like to see his face
The right question would be “Is EU membership compatible with your country?” – obviously not!
No democracy is compatible with EU membership.
Especially the turkish democracy. May be its more compatible with “your” democracy. You can have them if you like them so much. Anyway soon its going to be UKs main partner. Who cares about democracy when Saudi Arabia and Turkey are under british protection.
Pantelis Papantoniou We are leaving the pointless EU and rejoining the free world comrade so the whole world will be our partner. In a democracy the leaders are elected, who exactly elected your European Politburo ?
Who elected your queen?
António Espadaneira Our Queen does not create our laws but your unelected European Politburo creates yours so your comparisons idiotic.
Do Turks really want to join the EU?
Definitely not !!
Absolutely not!!!
People do not belong to a president…
Come on Europeans… Let the Turks invade in Europe to see how it feels to be occupied for 44 years like Cyprus!!! You fucking double face son of a bitch.
Ataturk’s Turkey would have been profoundly European. However, Turkey has lost its way and it has practically become incompatible with its past or its European future.
It’s not only a loss for the Turks, but for Europeans as well.
well said… if Atatürk would know how Turkey has developed since he would rotate in his grave 4 ever…!!!
Safe to say that Turkey has demonstrated that they are no longer interested in EU membership.
No. And also not so compatible with so many others.
Absolutely not! And Turkey neither.
LoL
Is Putin’s Russia compatible with EU membership? If you say NO then you have answered correctly all such questions for many years to come :-)
Ahah still trying to bring the new ottomans in europe?
I am an agnostic. I despise every single organized religion but i will say this: in 1683 the europe unite against the invasor. Now we have let in the muslim and we are paying the price.
No religion is compatible with democracy, especially islam.
How is an islamic dictatorship even hope to infiltrate the EU?
Nope nope nope nope nope nope nope
Ιs this a normal question?
Seeing the human rights breaches happening in Turkey is that in any way a serious question?
Turkey is, the AK party is not and so is Erdogan not compatible with a democratic EU.
Of cours it isn’t! What the f…ck!
Do we really need a debate about that? Cause I dont usually hear from europeans that they want Turkey in EU.
NO WAY!!! with him in power it will never be…!!!
Is this ludacris question compatible with the collective intellect of ‘Debating Europe’ viewership?
Should such a question even be asked?
Never ever…
haha ;) :) noopeee eee
noooooooooooooooo, stop al corrupted politicians in al EU states
Yes ;)
No he is a Ditactor and Islamic. Two sins in one man.
We don’t want Turkey in EU
It depends. The EU seems to be increasingly making quite a bit of compromise on human rights norms and democratic standards.
NO NO NO NO NEVER NEIN HET OXI…….NON NU NEE EI
Whether it is or not is irrelevant to the big boys of the EU.
Turkey is a very large powerful nation with huge economic potential and as such Turkey does as it pleases .
The big boys of Europe , US and even Israel , bend the knee in the hope of a piece of the action and Turkey knows how to use the power in her hands well.
Turkey doesn’t have a King or a Queen, yet, like the rest of the EU members. And Erdoğan doesn’t seem to be in the mood to call himself a King, so one can wonder whether the EU and its elite would like that sort of a new member. So, let’s wait to see what happens, when he calls himself a King then the European Parliament can send him an invitation to join.
The majority of EU members are Republican with 2/3. And Erdogan will bekame a Sultan and not a king. And an invitation to be member of EU it’s out of the question.
No no, I think in Europe you need to be a king, not a sultan. You see, all the allies of the EU have sultans already, but they are not a member of the EU, just trading partners. When in the EU, you need to have a king or a queen, otherwise you won’t be accepted as a member.
Why are you posting lately so stupid questions …. if this madhouse called turkey will be part of “Europe” then you have a hell of a state ..
Why are you posting lately so stupid questions …. if this madhouse called turkey will be part of “Europe” then you have a hell of a state ..
Why are you posting lately so stupid questions …. if this madhouse called turkey will be part of “Europe” then you have a hell of a state ..
Why are you posting lately so stupid questions …. if this madhouse called turkey will be part of “Europe” then you have a hell of a state ..
Why are you posting lately so stupid questions …. if this madhouse called turkey will be part of “Europe” then you have a hell of a state ..
Why are you posting lately so stupid questions …. if this madhouse called turkey will be part of “Europe” then you have a hell of a state ..
Why are you posting lately so stupid questions …. if this madhouse called turkey will be part of “Europe” then you have a hell of a state ..
Why are you posting lately so stupid questions …. if this madhouse called turkey will be part of “Europe” then you have a hell of a state ..
Why are you posting lately so stupid questions …. if this madhouse called turkey will be part of “Europe” then you have a hell of a state ..
Why are you posting lately so stupid questions …. if this madhouse called turkey will be part of “Europe” then you have a hell of a state ..
Why are you posting lately so stupid questions …. if this madhouse called turkey will be part of “Europe” then you have a hell of a state ..
Absolutely not.
A Big NO.
Is this a rethorical question, right? Next time you can ask if North Korea is compatible with EU membership.
Is this a rethorical question, right? Next time you can ask if North Korea is compatible with EU membership.
Is this a rethorical question, right? Next time you can ask if North Korea is compatible with EU membership.
Is this a rethorical question, right? Next time you can ask if North Korea is compatible with EU membership.
Is this a rethorical question, right? Next time you can ask if North Korea is compatible with EU membership.
Is this a rethorical question, right? Next time you can ask if North Korea is compatible with EU membership.
Is this a rethorical question, right? Next time you can ask if North Korea is compatible with EU membership.
Is this a rethorical question, right? Next time you can ask if North Korea is compatible with EU membership.
Is this a rethorical question, right? Next time you can ask if North Korea is compatible with EU membership.
Is this a rethorical question, right? Next time you can ask if North Korea is compatible with EU membership.
Is this a rethorical question, right? Next time you can ask if North Korea is compatible with EU membership.
BIG NO.
No. Not religions allowed inside governments
Hell NO!!
it is ok. we shall pretend blind eyes. As europe does for so many years
Its not! Why are you even asking that? Dictatorship in the EU?
Turkey is now just another backwards dictatorship. Forget about Turkey until Erdogan is removed…
Hell noooo
Wait until Turkey has nuclear weapons … You will have a North Korea in Europe . Albania as people are even worse .
No, it isn’t.
Nothing could be more obvious. No
Aaahahaha, is that a question or an answer? Edogan will kick our butts if we don’t allow Turkey to join ;)
Its complicated… Turkey is the border with the middle east, it think there are 2 options, either the EU continues to pursue its current syria policy, in which case it has to mantain good relationships with turkey or face refugee/terrorist flooding, and this includes discussing EU membership, or it alters it stance in syria, cooperates with Al assad how horrible that may be to ensure stability and security is brought to the country, the truth is the EU can pressure much more as Assads friend than as his enemy, considering his russian support, it might take big time, but in 5-10 years syria can be rebuilt and the conditions created for the refugees to return and rebuild their country in safety, if the EU can cooperate in this process in an openminded way, then it can antagonize turkey
Of course not!!
No. no no no.
Yes.
Absolutely and indisputably NO. They are not European, so let them enter any kind of alliance with Mongol members
Not just Erdogan, the majority of Turkish citizens is not and will never be compatible with the EU for obvious reasons of intolerance, hatred, retribution, threats, and violence. They are choosing to go backwards in time for the worse instead of moving forward and improving with the rest of us. I feel sorry for those progressive Turkish citizens who are suffering however that is no reason to ruin the entire EU.
I know Turkish people very well, speak Turkish and travel to Turkey very frequently – and it is just not true what you are saying. Most Turks are hard-working, decent people who love their families, and are kind to strangers. They have given a home to over 4 million refugees, and welcome millions of tourists every year. Turks are neither racist nor religiously intolerant. Of course there are a number of disgusting individuals who are narrow minded and racist, criminal and abusive but no more narrow-minded than you Julia, and those that make up your nation.
Satsuma Angel , not using your real name then. The majority is still correct and those you speak about are thd minority. Or what is left of them after the purge.
Satsuma Angel ; The point is not what you just wrote; of course, most of people wish just to live their lives and take care of their families; is ambitions of what Mr. Erdogan and his followers want; that´s far a way from occidental type of democracy and way of life.
No, nothing more to say
No I don’t think so Erdogan as stepped way from the EU…that’s a bad move by him because Turkey as been always part of Europe since ancient times…but we cannot have a dictatorship in the EU…
Do unicorns fly? They do not because they do not exist. And even if they where real they do not have wings…. and that it is not a joke. To believe that Turkey can be part of the EU is a joke. First the EU can not assimilate Turkey. But Turkey has nothing to do with the EU. Geographically Turkey has in its territory a small part of what is called Europe. That is not a reason to say I am part of EU of course. But let’s see why Turkey has nothing to do with the EU and why be part of the EU will create an unprecedented mess. Turkey is a militaristic state. Without that their minorities will break away forming roque states. The social structure of Turkey looks more like the Middle Ages than modern times. With social hierarchy rooted in family history and power and wealth linked to the military. The Anatolia regions – the heartland of Turkey is a religious lost in time territory where European values and way of life is alien. The Ataturk God like image is everywhere as a reminder of the messiah of modern Turkey. The same icon as the lunatics in N. Korea. Turkey as a state has no respect for international law. When it comes to sea law it ignores the right of other countries and make threats. It has invaded Cyprus and still holds European territory occupied by force to the present days. Finally the state is not secular as EU is. The list of the negative issues has no end. When it comes to the common people, because I have been to Turkey many many times, I have to say that they are kind, generous, hospitable, hard working. They all have a proud and rich culture – not Turkish but Ottoman, Byzantine- but they are not ready. Women rights, gay rights, political rights, social justice and many many other important aspects of the European social reality are not there.
https://www.facebook.com/1565420357009474/photos/a.1568957603322416.1073741828.1565420357009474/1936351966582976/?type=3
Absolutely NO!
OXI
Why stop there… just let Saudi Arabia try for membership in 10 years.
God bless Mr Erdogan and Turks!
Are you kidding? A dictatorship, an Islamic fundamentalism? Beside Turkey geographically is not Europe, is Minor Asia.
Ask more polarizing questions, DIVIDE ET IMPERAT. Bravo, brainless Europeans.
No…no no and no…how many times must you ask the same question ?????????????
NO Way !
encore un homme dangereux
i dont like erdogan, but he was elected by popular vote. the dictator of bruxells is the real dictator we also dont like the bruxells ditatorship.
No . Once Communism and now Islamic expansionism
Turkey is not Europe.
Turkey is Europe, 2/3 of the Turks are not Europeans.
Turkey is Asia.
Giovanni Pasquini Turkey is in Europe. There are 51 Nations in ‘Europe’ not 27. What are they teaching you over there in Euro-lala-land ?
Turkey isn’t in Europe.
and talking about recurrent questions…. and recurrent answers : no!
Definitely Not !! What common would an Islamic dictatorship have with the EU?
No, at least not possible in a healthy and ethic Europe, but maybe yes in the EU of bureacrats, lobbies, politicians, in the Europe of Juncker, Barroso, Solana…
I believe not, but then I believe certain countries that already are in the EU do not comply with so-called EU values and others do nothing to have them comply. This hypocrisy and not Turkey or even Russia will be the downfall of the EU.
Human rights in Turkey for Turkish citizens, by Turkish citizens, in their own country is horrific out there for all to see. Why bother asking us? Do you actually expect us to say yes??
And we all saw the human rights of Spain as they attacked their own people so does that mean Spain is not part of Europe too ?
If the post was about debating Spain, I would comment on Spain. Please check the post title. This one is about Turkey.
What human rights are you talking about? Like some of the so called European countries closed their eyes to refugees while Turkey has spent 30 billion dollars for them. Just letting you know.
Now As Ivan mentioned imagine what would happen if these protesters got armed and started terrorism is Spain. Then you would see the actual shitstorm. Comparing Human rights in Turkey and Europe is a good approach and you are using a lame excuse for that. Like this is not about bla bla
Ivan is anti-EU and Mehmet is pro-Turkey. I am pro-truth without Ivan’s agendas or Mehmet’s defence mechanisms.
No. Just, no
What are you asking? NO and NO and NO!
The Turkish people are suffering under this dictator, he does not even respects his borders with Greece, violates the air space of all the countries that borders him and you ask a question like that? Can you imagine what he will do if he is in the EU? It will be HELL. NO NO NO
Turkey is an asian country.
Here is the full list of countries in Europe, please educate yourself..
https://www.countries-ofthe-world.com/countries-of-europe.html
Bosporus Straits…
“Turkey is a transcontinental country” : only 5% of the land is in Europe (West coast of Bosphorus).
Yannick Herve And ?
It is not an european country.
no but Turkey is bigger than one man.
They are not in Europe (excluding a tiny sliver of a city), They are not a European Culture, they are not a main European Religion. The idea that there are even talks is insulting. We should be attempting to get in actual European countries like, Ukraine, Georgia, Belarus, Georgia, and a few others, if they can make the adjustments
Debating Europe What is the point of having a debating page if you are just going to delete any comments you disagree with ?
Surveillance. Most likely. :)
Of course not, Erdogan was ‘elected’ in a democratic process which makes it a democracy while no one voted for Juncker which makes the EU a dictatorship so clearly Turkey is not compatible with the EU.
He’s a civil servant, elected by and accountable to the European Parliament who are themselves elected by us. Facts straight please.
Junker was voted for by the eu parlement and by the democraticly elected leaders of all the eu nations. So though luck. He was elected twice by our representatives.
I realy hope that someday we will need an iq tests in order to vote so we can ignore idiots like you.
Also comparing juncker to erdogan shows your lack of knowledge of the EU. Because its the representatives of the nations, aka the people we actually voted for who are the ones that run the EU. Juncker is just a person doing what he is told by our democratically elected leaders. But fck what would an English person know about democracy if they only have 1 ruling party and and are now being run by the smallest minority.
The EU sponsored anti free speech algorithm strikes again lol
No! Cyprus is still occupied
There is no need to politicize things, you have to talk about Turkey as a state not as Erdogan as person. You accept Turkey as a NATO member and do not accept it as a member of the European Union! What is this hypocrisy? Turkey does not need the European Union, but vice versa
Erdogan’s Turkey, NO
The important question is: Is European Union is compatible with its neighbours? :)
Turkey has always been absolutely the same and there is no chance it will change within the next five hundred years. Ask again in 500 years
2000 years I would say
Also they should reverse the population exchange with Greece that seen hundreds of thousands of Albanians send by force to Turkey from southern Albania as Turks
Europe should accommodate them back to there homes!!!!!
No. Absolutely not.
Absolutely not.Turkish troops still occupied my country-Cyprus
So does Greece southern Albania
And Turkey shound reverse the population exchange with Greece
No Albania occupied part of North Epirus…..However the topic is about Turkey.So stay tuned for “Albanian issues” another time😎😎😎😎
No. His power of his country is growing more and more authoritarian and undemocratic and he constantly pushes through threats to Europe. And also Turkey is not in Europe.
And they are illegally occupying parts of Cyprus.
europe loves nazis in their parliements governments. and question erdogans election. my ass.
turkey should withdraw membership application. eu politics is hostage to nazis and masses of twaat heads formed by social welfare state.
In the year 4000
Turkey shound reverse the population exchange with Greece that happened after the first world war!!!!!!
Hundredsof thousands of Albanians were send to Turkey by force from the western helped Greeks army to Turkey as Turkish from southern Albania in exchange with Greek population from Western Turkey
Albania has not the power of Izrael to take back what is theres but at least Europe has a duty to accommodate those send by force to Turkey back to there homes!!!!!!!!
Europe was evil to Albania and should correct there mistakes
We even gave you the north epirus to form your country after ww2 eveb though you helped the nazis and mass murder the greek ppl of northen epirus…also after the fall of commie regiment in your country we took hundreds of thousand albanias in greece and many of them got rich and help rebuild your country so you should be an allie of greece and a country like turkey that had you occupied for 400hundred years your greatest hero skenterbeu fought against turks and you supporting them
Dimitris?
Believing what they tell you at the school is very bad for your health my dear neighbour! Just so we don’t get in to politics at all Google 1949 the invasion of Greece in to Southend Albania and you will understand how evil your political policy is in your country
Let’s Google before that!!!!
You will se the massive expelling of Albanien chamithes from chameria, in population exchange with Turkey and the mass killing of the rest! Let’s not forget that chameria was passed to Greece in London treaty 1912
I can go on but got no time for that so don’t forget who gave Greece the independence in 1821 from Turkey Google that too cos he was arvanitas
So my dear neighbour! Greece, Sllavs and Turkey are no friends to us but monsters that kept us occupied for centuries and committed the worst atrocities in human history
There is no surprise that Albanians now live on what is left of them in 7 countries of western ballkan
Only the city of Turkey Izmir got 1 milion Albanians taken from Greece and what is now Serbia on population exchange only cos they accepted Muslim faith by force
Cheerio my dear neighbour
No at present, not in the future. They have nothing in common with Europeans.
Yes let’s let in todays Hitler
As long as it occupies Cyprus with an army???how about debate this first?
No of course . He is a Islamist and of course a Dictator.
The majority of Turks dont feel Europeans .
Ozan Yurdugül
If you have a Reichstag fire type incident, then your country is not compatable with being in the EU. Turkey is still oppressing the Kurds and Armenians, who should be free to choose what country they belong to. The rise of Islamic ideology goes against democracy in Turkey, which therefore excludes Turkey from joining the EU.
The – islamists-occupied half Cyprus . They violate daily Greece EEZ and airspace. They want newothoman empire from balkans to Jerusalem and..Africa not to be Europeans – christians that genocided ALL of us
Not compatible with the ideals but apparently now compatible with Hungary, Poland, Austria, etc
This issue is irrelevant to debate nowadays. There is ground no more. Who else debates? Turkish minister of EU affairs is a concealed unemployed.
It was never.
let’s take rather New Iran !
who’s next? Lukashenko’s Belarus?
No of course not one of my best goals in life left for me.
No. But from how things are now we can conclude that Erdoğan’s Turkey can and will be a very good trading partner and a companion to the EU, just like the other friends EU has in the region. Like the arabic nations and their “kings”.
Opportunismo
Turkey is not compatible with EU membership, with or without Erdogan. Turkey not only is not Part of Europe but have been Europe’s enemy throughout history, have a European colony (Constantinople) and is occupying Cyprus.
We are out let them in
Che domanda stupida… un criminale come questo non ha alcun diritto di entrare in Europa !!
NOOOOOO!!!!!!
NO. Can not shout it loud enough.
Turkey has 40 thousands occupational forces in Cyprus a country EU member….Violates continuously EUs frontiers in Aegean.Impossible
Turkey, Hungary, Poland, UK not
No, Turkey is at war against the institutions of the Eu , undermining the EU institution of Schengen , via the Turkish State Sponsored flooding of the European Union with illegal immigrants from Turkey designed by Sultan Erdogan and Turkey to undermine and destroy the European Union due to the absence of a EU Defense Force
I met a woman from Turkey. She was at Randy’s across the street on the corner opposing was BEEPS a CCSF Sputnik type Rocket as it’s logo prominent as a drive in resturant for American style burgers , freedom fries, and malts.
One night as I strangely silent witness a tragedy bear evidence of shenanigans I paused nonetheless to reflect at the criminal element.
It’s a pile of sand. Grandular in extant the sand was not of typical variety. The fashion of displacement also seemed odd in its formation. What forced cause?
Intending to remove the inconspicuous pile of sand I scooped it with my bare hands. The feeling was of not ocean sand with base ph but one of a neutral ph of cement sand. It was processed most likely and contained nil debris.
The scooping motion carried a handful. A sifter my hands became. In it was a toy soldier with musket drawn in sideways stance. Prepared to recieve commands to squeeze the trigger at the moments notice.
Randy’s is a local joint a pub establishment. It acted as the same for its local residents and the era of cccp local community college of San Francisco California USA. Of course this mileu is different than Norway or Finland and namely Germany. Randy is a woman with service of the Royal Navy siblind command United States Coast Guard. The United States Coast Guard has a history in the area developed as the Army Shipyard Of reservist allied Columbus Ohio. Rancheros they were not. They were intending to protect the elements of merchant marines in all good taste and in history dictum the development of the west to the Indies. Atlas, this is speculation as my research is not complete without jasym to assist with the trade route fullfillment of the orient .
To continue a woman interviewed. She asks me and invited me inside Randy’s. We later went to her Home a block away. She wanted to specifically request for additional alcohol to which I was bewildered. She mentions her Home is a monumental castle like mansion with goods reaching the Far East.
Her native place is Turkey and bears some stumbles when approaching spoken American English. She indicated after inquiry of wealth and income her employment is IHSS in home services for elder and dependent care. I rationalized ger speech patterns were from a possible pathological resistance from terms in employment as breadth of American English was not type of concern. She smoked slims cigarette possibly Virginia Slims.
At her home she admits with the certificates hanging on her wall and placards strewn textbook the applicability of the studies as a student abroad from her native Turkey. She reply desire of nursing , an admirable humbled.
We rest and snuggled in front of a laptop not observing x rated video but rather an American cinema in black and white 257 grayscale. It’s on YouTube . The show was voice audio and not of audio less.
We rested.
no way :D 2150.. next century
I bet almost 100% of the comments had been against the entry of Turkey in the EU. It’s regimen is fascist and beside that, it is a complete different civilization. They would never respect our social rules.
Para entrar, têm que respeitar e cumprir
No to anyone with common sense and a little history of him
Depends on where Europe plans on going, Erdogan’s authoritarian Turmey might be compatible with the EU
He just had the people vote to give himself dictatorial powers. What we need to do is limit associating with illiberal democracies wherever feasible. This includes not only Turkey, but also Hungary, Poland, and Russia.
You mean EU and oligarchic western meritocracies
While, it’s difficult to understand how it’s even possible to get confused about this, I’m specifically referring to the fact that the Hungarian PM openly said in 2014 that he wants to have a Putin-style illiberal democracy, while the Polish government decided that that judicial independence is something that gets in the way of their one-party state, and that Turkey recently had a constitutional referendum to give dive Erdogan dictatorial powers.
While I sympathize with the way Greece’s econ is being mismanaged, it’s difficult to understand how people have a difficult time confusing parliamentary democracy, with Turkish one-party rule. EVen the Greeks have a multi-party state (bankrupt and corrupt though it may be)
Exporting all sorts of manufacturing to the very capable Turkish people. Great success. For the businesses that did such. Trust in rule of law? Oops, not so much. He wants what he will. Now what do the governments of free republics do? My thought go up was staged to remove all that had integrity at municipal level.
Only cause who stages a coup without removing the head? History just history
Of course not. Turkey is a sultanate, has an autocrat in command who doesn’t believe in democracy and who’s personal and religious values are inconsistent with Europe’s.
Of course not. Their values anot democratic. Erdogan is an autocrat.
NO, it is not a European State, that they have a small part in the EU does not matter the State of Turkey is not in the EU, it is like saying The Netherlands is part of South America as they have some property there.
Is EU compatible with humanity?
Westerners continuously kill civilians in mideast.
No.
The EU isn’t compatible with the EU
No, and the EU have made that very clear
No , and it never will , and please out of NATO too.
Is this even a valid question?!
This question shouldn’t be raised. It is a shame for EU to raise such a question. How can a country that occupies a part of the EU, and does not recognize the human rights of EU citizens could be compatible? The question should be why EU is allowing all that to happen.
Seriously? No brainer.
definitely no!!!!
It is.
assolutamente NO
No he is not
NON !
Permanently get rid of Turkey. You never know what extremist leader will get voted in the future. The EU cannot make a law to fix that problem in another country.
as if turkey without erdo is … in 3-4 generations maybe
Não
Definitely not.
No.
Why ask such stupid question ?
Sure not. What a question! Turkey was more evolved with Ataturk a century ago!
No!
This question is a joke😄
No.
No. He has turned Turkey back and it is difficult if not even impossible to see this working out.
Absolutely not. Where would all his political prisoners flee to?
Turkey is still 200 years behind, those who haven’t understood the concept of Turkey yet are dreaming in a another world. Ask the nations who suffered from them and they will tell you the truth. It wants to become an Ottoman Empire again digesting everything around it and becoming a caliphate as it was before. Tyranny
This question has a totaly obvius answer ….NO NO NO and forever NO
No, next question
Hahahaha haha hahahaha
maybe for the 1000th aniversary of Manzikert?
I don’t see any way it is or will be in the foreseeable future. It’s fundamentally against core EU values.
definitely not!!!!
A no brainer, really. Of course not!
N. O
Funny! Of course no!
Obviously not
Turkey has invaded in Cyprus and threatens Cyprus and Greece two members of EU with pirate actions.When all this madness stops then can start the discussions for EU membership
We have lots of problems inside. Do we want to import another one?
No, of course not. But if Turkey was a stable liberal democracy they could be.
So the west coast of Turkey is welcome.
No isn’t and never was.
But we have “ADVANCED DEMOCRACY”! how can it be that…?
Actually, why not? We also have Poland, Hungary and Italy with their fascist governments. So why not another one too?
Never. Turkey is not in Europe and do. T share our roots
Noooo!
Is “Debating Europe” compatible with Europe? I am on the verge of leaving this miserable group, these provocative, arrogant, stupid posts are just pathetic, waste of my precious time really…
of course no.
No way
If you think of the last incident that Erdogan sent his drill-ships for illegal drills inside Cyprus’s Executive Zone you can easily understand that the Turkish State has no relation to the International or European Law.
No it isn’t! Different values…
All the central European countries should be neighbouring Turkey like my country (Greece and Cyprus)! That would answer all of your questions!!
Are we really asking this question for real?! Erhm… 🤦🏻♂️
No. Whay do you ask? :))
No.
Yes. Whith alignement.could be win win.
Another debating question: Is water dry?
Nooooooo…..!
No and will not be
Is playing with snowmen compatible in a tropical sandy beach with 40 degrees?
No! Absolutly Not!!!!!
Of course not!!!
What a question! Obviously not. Already we have to stomach Orban because Hungary is already a member…
never …….
NOT YET.
Hahahhahahahhahahahahahah
Of course not. Not now and never!!
Não!
come back and save them
Turkey is an invasion force on the member state of Cyprus! How is that compatible?
isn’t, but Turkey might be.
Wrong question
Not yet!
Yes.
YES. OUI. JA.
And fascist Spain???
Nooooo!!!
No, where would the thousands of innocent Turks flee to if Turkey is in the EU?
Turkey is not in Europe. End of.
No, it is not!
No way!
He is already on your maps & your hearts.
No.
In the European Union, there is neither room for Turkey nor for totalitarism!
is this a question ???Are you nuts?” this clown of politics can’t be membership of any organization around the globe !!!!!!
What are you asking?
I am taking the advantage from your question to place the real questions.
Has a dictator place at Europe?
Has a dictatorship place at Europe?
Has place at Europe a country which is violating the Human Rights from its(country) birth?
Has a country place at Europe when is violating the Fundamental Rights?
Has a country place at Europe when their military occupies a part of Europe?
Has place at Europe a country which violates daily the International Low and Order?
Has place at Europe a country which is already proved that support Terrorism?
How many questions has to be placed, there are more if you want!
No, not at all. Erdogan’s position is the oposite of EU. He’s the turkish personification of the dark side of that Nation.
Is Europe (EU) still compatible with the initial ideas and principles?! If Europe (EU) tries to make all the countries and people uniform an continues to kill national identity, then many countries are no more compatible with EU membership and will start to leave one by one…
Europe and America wants turkey in to be near Russia and the Middle East
What a question…
Glad to see the reactions and comments
No way, plus Turkey is not in Europe.
No, never has been.
Since when is Turkey in Europe?
Does Orban Hungary belong in Europe? Small minded people in EU was and is the reason for Turkey not being invited to talk before Erdogan switched tactics over there. The Bloc would have been much much more powerful and I am not so sure the UK would have dared leave it nor the US under a rogue Prez would ever challenge it and yes at least part of Turkey is in Europe. Nothing but small mindedness and a good dose of Islamophobia.
More than 7 million Turks already live in Europe next to you. And still Debating Europe is running stupid polls like this …..No hope
… time demonstrated that Turkish commitment to human rights were not consistent. Denying to pursuing the integration process into EU was wrong, but now it seems it was more than correct. Anyway, everybody deserves a second chance. If wanted…
Turkey a part of European union…??? NEVER NEVER NEVER..!!
Look at the current situation today:
Erdogan says:
If the EU labels the Turkish action as occupation, it threatens to send Syrian refugees who are now in Turkey to Europe…..
The European Union is being held hostage by that Erdogan ..!
How pathetic are we anyway as Europeans?
Where is Europe’s unity against the threats of 1 country?
Europe must finally show its teeth against those threats from Turkey.
———-Erdogan says:
If the EU labels the Turkish action as occupation, it threatens to send Syrian refugees who are now in Turkey to Europe….
———-Then the answer from the European Union must be:
As soon as Erdogan opens the borders, the European sky must be closed to Turkey.
Pause all trade agreements and investments.
———
Laying down the Turkish economy can easily be done by the European Union.
So let’s see if Erdogan continues to threaten us.??
It is incomprehensible that we are being threatened by our so-called ally..
Turkey is not an ally of Europe but an enemy.
Turkey receive 6 billion euros every year from Europe for 4 million refugees, while the standard of living in Turkey is considerably lower than Europe. Where does all that money go?
It would not surprise me if he used part of that money to buy weapons and ammunition from the Russians and then use those weapons against the Kurds.
I think the European Union is too cowardly to tackle Turkey!
Where President Trump fails to tackle Turkey, Europe must show that we are not submissive to a Turkish president who acts like a dictator.
Look at Trump, who needed the Kurds to fight IS.
And once IS was defeated, the Kurds were no longer desired.
And then, as thanks for their efforts, the Kurds got a stab in the back.
And just as Trump only needs his so-called friends only when it suits him, so Erdogan treats us Europeans the way he likes.
As a European, I am ashamed that we are constantly accepting this from countries with a president with dictator characteristics.
Erdogan thinks himself very great.
He thinks he is a benefactor that he accommodates 4 million refugees, but he does not pay for it!
The European Union does this with 6 billion a year!
If the European Union does not return to Turkey with an appropriate threat very quickly, then Turkey has a reason and a mandate to do this more often in the future as long as we passively say yes and amen.
And don’t forget: How we now respond to Erdogan is an example for China and Russia.
Because they are the friends of Turkey.
We Europeans can lay China down economically if we want to.
I prefer to buy a shirt that comes from Europe, because I will no longer support the Chinese or Turkish economy.
And a country like Turkey that is already coming up against Europe with threatening language, how can such a country ever belong to a Europe?
My opinion is that Erdogan is a greater threat to Europe that Hitler once was (that is my personal opinion. !!)
——–
There will be a 3rd world war, partly due to Turkey’s behavior in the future.
I will no longer experience that because of my cancer.
But one thing is already certain:
Communism will prevail.
China will dominate us in the future, partly because we are so eager to buy cheap things from China, which keeps their economy growing.
—–
European union a democracy?
Not at all,because if I want to leave a comment,then it is not accept.
I have join the debate,and my comment was not with hate,but a general opinion,but it refused
I think there are too many PRO ERDOGANS people on this forum that refuse any comment on Turkey.
I hope that there will be a 3rd world war so that I can take appropriate revenge on all those who hate Europe such as Turkey.
So it means that this forum is allread infiltrated by friends of Erdogan.
Hell no. Can you imagine that European Parliament with the majority of members being Turks?
they are backed up by Germany, always have from world wars…
because EU wants to have a special relationship with Turkey regarding manly trade, EU has granted turkey an infinite candidate role in order not to slam the door in the face of Turks, but no one in Europe wants turkey in EU.
eu will lose more than it gains today if stops the trade deal with Turkey, it’s exactly the money that matters.
Rirate regimes have no place in EU
Yes!!!!!!
no !!!
We can talk about it once Erdoğan is gone. Till that moment, absolutely no way
Turkey and democracy oil and water…
A no brainer, really. Of course not.
We have to build up a federation . Turkey is compatibile with political union? No
Hell no
Turkey has to be one of the privileged partners of the EU but in no case it should a member state.
not even privileged partner since Turkey is the biggest troublemaker in the entire region.
this is a failed plan of EU. They keep open the doors of the EU (when actually none wants Turkey in the EU) in order Turkey to continue its tiny efforts for Democratic changes.
Since Turkey is still considered as a candidate the EU is forced by Law to give money for certain sectors.
Why do you give the same answer every single time? It sounds like a troll.
My question disturbs? Why nobody is answering?
Since when is Turkey an european country?
“Turkey (Turkish: Türkiye [ˈtyɾcije]), officially the Republic of Turkey (Turkish: Türkiye Cumhuriyeti [ˈtyɾcije dʒumˈhuːɾijeti] (About this soundlisten)), is a transcontinental country located mainly on the Anatolian peninsula in Western Asia, with a smaller portion on the Balkan peninsula in Southeastern Europe. ” That smaller portion would be Constantinopole.
Sometimes your polls are so funny I know another one! : Is Darth Vader fit to rule the Jedi
Erdogan came to Germany and told the Turks there, don’t assimilate. Like other fundamental islamist he sees Europe as a land to be conquered by Islam through culture, immigration etc just like Ottoman Empire once tried with war. No, current Turkey is in no way compatible with EU
Turkey doing the dirty jobs of some EU main members, so is dirty from top to bottom, yes it fit as member of the dirty and corrupt EU
No, as opposed to the EU bureaucracy, the Turkish leadership is elected by people so Turkey needs to become much less democratic in order to reflect true EU values.
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This is dumb. 751 members of the parliament are directly elected and all members of the Council(s) are indirectly elected in national elections. This line of argument is disingenuous and factually bankrupt…but that’s not surprising given you think turkey is more democratic than the EU.
“…and all members of the Council(s) are indirectly elected in national elections.”
Parliament is elected, council on the other hand is not, it is apointed, that is my whole point.
You know quite well that I am not praising Turkey for its high achievements in human rights and democracy, I’m only trying to point out the hypocrisy of the EU and it’s lack of democratic principles.
Then why is €U contuining to give money in order to be membership?
The European Council includes the elected heads of state and government. The Council of the European Union includes all of the executives from member states’ governing coalitions…so they also gain their position based on popular, national elections. The only institution that is not elected is the Commission, and there is not a bureaucracy in the world that is popularly elected.
you don’t know anything about Turkey- I hope you won’t have to learn THE HARD WAY
Even a westernized version of Islamic state is not compatible both politically and culturally. Most of all. EU doesn’t need any more members, it simply needs reform to get rid of its authentically broken European autocracy from Brussels and let it stand on the national merits of every member of the union.
Nice to dream, as you would choose something…. Why is €U contuining to give money in order to be membership?
The same reason why Greece is not bankrupt and will not be for the foreseeable future. They provide open markets for Germany to export into. Some people up top don’t really know how economy should work.
And this money is coming from a hat?
No it comes out of tax participation of each member. Did I say otherwise? That’s the reason the UK left.
And who is deceiding that? I’ve never voted my tax should used so!
You’re making my point, you’re voting every 4 years for EU parliament, well, those ones are suposed to decide it. But they’re not, in fact there’s the “EU technocrats” that decide what they do with EU funds, that’s why you get the EU cronies such as Lagarde on ECB every couple of years. Fun way to get governed by people you do not elect. That’s why i’m talking about reforming the structure of the EU.
No, it’s not. Turkey is becoming less and less democratic. Turkey would bring serious security issues.
Turkey will never be compatible no matter who’s in charge.
Why is €U contuining to give money in order to be membership?
Seriously?
This question is a joke?
Comic relief moment!
Turkey is less of a democracy than Hungary. As long as it’s jailing journalists, persecuting opposition, criminalizing criticism towards government, censoring media and refusing to deal with demands of Kurdish autonomy inside Turkey in a democratic and lawful way, Turkey has no right to be in EU. It’s not about culture, it’s about democracy and respect for human rights.
Don’t worry, you won’t be asked for their membership! :)
and why is that?
Cause nobody cares about your wishes!
neither about your, so?
You notice you’re choosing nothing, I hope for you!
Yea, I’m just sitting here in my little nihilistic world I surrounded myself with and enjoy not being part of Soviet Union anymore. This not choosing things turned out extremely well for me personally :) For example, with my birth certificate I can get Russian citizenship, but since I have no choice whatsoever I’m not getting it and not moving to the land of vodka, oppression and misery
Not all!
“Turkey (Turkish: Türkiye [ˈtyɾcije]), officially the Republic of Turkey (Turkish: Türkiye Cumhuriyeti [ˈtyɾcije dʒumˈhuːɾijeti] (About this soundlisten)), is a transcontinental country located mainly on the Anatolian peninsula in Western Asia, with a smaller portion on the Balkan peninsula in Southeastern Europe. ” That smaller portion would be Constantinopole.
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If we consider the leadership of Poland, Hungary, Chech Rep., Slovakia, Austria, he has many friends inside the Union.
The Hungarian government is the same as the Turkish government. (From Hungary)
Romania was in the same situation just a few months ago.
his best friend at the moment is Germany which should concern everyone
Are you kidding us , he has under military occupation a part of a f****ing European country and threatens an other one with war while his sending f****ing mercenaries to Libya to fight against the parliament so he can grab more territory belonging to Europe! WAKE UP!
Cooperation between Turkey and the EU needs to be stepped up and taken to new levels.
they can’t never be trusted
NO!
No, Turkey do not fit in the EU
Turkey is currently illegally occupying a Member State’s sovereign ground. As long as Cyprus is under the boot of the turkish army the membership talks are and will remain a joke.
Yes, so true. I believe that Turkey should pull away it’s forces from Cyprus, has nothing to find there. I also believe that the UK should also leave Cyprus and leave Cyprus to be Cyprus, not UK-controlled Cyprus, not Turkey-controlled Cyprus, Cyprus should be Cyprus. Cyprus has the right to independence.
No, I believe Erdoğan is a very good person. Why should the
Do we have dictatorship in Europe?
Since he has been voted in office he can’t be viewed as a dictator as his party receives the most votes.
In order for me to consider him a dictator, it would have to be obvious to me that he only has a support of a much smaller percentage of the population than he has now.
If, in the future, it becomes clear that much more people support the opposition, but somehow it’s not reflected in the voting then I would change my mind. However, this is not the case. Mind you, I don’t consider the electoral system in Turkey to be fair.
Why don’t I consider the system in Turkey fair? One, unlike in Canada, France, Germany, Italy, Britain, Japan etc… where opposition figures are given a lot of coverage and there’s some attempt at balance, increasingly over the last several years there is not much of that in Turkey. Two, the media is too, too heavily slanted towards one party in a way that reminds me of the Soviet Union and Pravda. It is too Orwellian. Three, the Anadolu Agency, which used to be very respectable and accepted by the mainstream has become partisan and demonstrated it in the last election. Four, the elections board is not impartial. They are very amenable to allowing the contesting of votes or elections when it is asked for by a certain party over another. That is not balanced.
Since the AKP-MHP represent the largest bloc of voters at this juncture, then any Turkish president receiving that many votes cannot be viewed as a dictator. The same would apply to President Trump. Now, you may choose to view a leader as authoritarian and undemocratic, but it’s not the same thing as a person being a dictator. It has to be demonstrated you are not beholden to the people and cannot lose elections. That doesn’t apply to the Turkish president. Even if what we see Turkey doesn’t resemble what one may see in Canada, Australia, France it doesn’t mean there’s a dictatorship. Of course, there are also issues with some Western type democracies like Britain and Canada where you have first past the post system where parties with say 40% of the vote can have the majority of parliamentary seats, and, in the U.S., you still have something called the “Electoral College”, which is highly undemocratic. Turkey, in the end, hasn’t reached a place where the president could fit the label of dictator due to the amount of supporters voting for him.
A strongman regime that’s each day closer to transitioning into a dictatorship? Erhmm… do we even have to ask? Any state, even current members, that undermine the rule of law, the independence of democratic institutions and the judiciary and people’s rights are pretty much misaligned with the spirit of the European Project.
Turkish isn’t EU member and probably not will be in future. Belong Nato is a mistake as all partners feels.
No way
No, definitively NOT !
Well nothing to do with us after 31 January
No way, only democracies are allowed.
Turkey is a democracy, though not a good one, Erdoğan was democratically elected. Yes, I believe I agree with you, Turkey isn’t too democratic.
No.dont even have to think one second about it.
Absolutely NOT
They are going to need someone to take our place
Closer to Venezuela than to democracy.
That’s enough with this pirate-country…NO!
No way!! With genocides, dictators, violation of human rights and still bringing this up???There is nothing to debate about
genocides and violation of human rights..hmm this reminds me of another country in the middle east but its a member of the EU
said the person who is Greek. Your opinion is not biased at all
oh is it some of this not true or you dont like?
@Seif be more informed before you comment! Dont just show off. Its not wise
yeah asks the Kurds the cypriots and the Libyans what’s their opinion about your Turkish friends
never in a million years
I do not know about If Erdogan’s Turkey will be compatible for EU membership. To ask Turkey to join the EU is the same as asking Russia to join the union. They are just too big to join.
However Greece is forming an alliance with Cyprus and Israel against Turkey. It is also possible that Egypt might join them as well.
https://www.tv7israelnews.com/towards-an-eastern-mediterranean-security-alliance/
The European part of Turkey was Greek between 1919-1922. The Aegean Islands, plus Cyprus are Greek populated places.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Greco-Turkish_War_(1919%E2%80%931922)
I think that the European Part of Turkey plus the Aegean Islands should be Greek. Cyprus should be United.
Turkey is a great economy. They produce everything
They wanted to invest in Bulgaria a lot. There is Turkish banks like Ziraat bankasi. Possibly Halk bankasi can come to Bulgaria as well and it is the seventh largest bank in Turkey.
There was also a desire from the Turkish mobile phone companies to invest in Bulgaria. These firms were TurkTelekom and Turkcell. Both Turkish companies wanted to come on the Bulgarian Market.
Here is news and evidence about it: https://www.novinite.com/articles/145591/Bulgaria%27s+President%3A+Turkcell%2C+Turk+Telecom+Investment+Plans+Serious
In Order for Greece to defeat Turkey they will need support. This support can either come from their orthodox brother Russia or somebody from Western Europe like France, Britain or Italy.
The EU is formed with the aim to avoid the 3rd world war for collective security, when China is promoting a global community to overcome transnational issues of collective human problems, shy do you people promote “defeat” Turkey? Why confrontation has to be the perspective? Why not use harmony and cooperation? Although I do not support over expansion for the formation of the EU is to promote a community of peaceful Europe so as to avoid going to war. There is no point promoting hostility with non-EU states. When one state of the EU is under attack, as a solidarity union, EU has the responsibility to response. If Greece has conflict with Turkey or Russia, whatever else, it would never serve any good to EU member states.
Why such a hostility with Erdongan? Is Trump very much better than Erdongan? Why EU has chosen to tolerate Trump not Erdogan? Do not reject EU membership by putting blame on Erdogan when European people’s worry is on other reasons.
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Erdogan has the striking resemblance of European dictators of earlier times. Centralization of power , aspiration of becoming lifetime president , disregard for human rights , marginalizing groups to create enemies within.
No Turkey is by no means even close to become a member of the EU.
The current EU project of trying to siphon taxpayers money to irresponsible EU member countries – would make a Turkish entry in to the EU a sort of coup de grace to any attempts to win over the support for the EU in the North European countries.
Turkey under Erdogan appears to lack the ability to become an independent state. By putting itself between two great powers, Turkey is likely leading to war and hostility from both great powers. To be qualified for EU membership, Turkey ought to follow EU policy on peace and security, otherwise EU would be torn between two great powers and its own member states unnecessarily.
First and foremost, the question is misleading. There’s no Erdogan’s Turkey (leading to the assertion that there is a bad Turkey and a good Turkey) there’s just Turkey. Technically, Erdogan is a democratically elected leader, period.
And the whole Turkey (not Erdogan’s Turkey) membership issue is a joke because it was founded on a mere hypocrisy. Geographically, historically and (mostly) culturally, Turkey has nothing to do with Europe. If we accept that there are historical ties, on the basis of invasion and conquest, we might as well invite the Mongols and the Arabs to join the Union, let alone Israel, who are in fact more Europeans that some of the EU members.
Let us at least be honest. Neither Europe had ever been interested in Turkey’s membership, nor Turkey. As a matter of fact, Turkey is better off reaping the fruit of a preferential relationship without the obligations that arise from a full membership.
Needless to say that the EU stance to date reveals the weaknesses of the whole EU establishment which is in a terrible need of an identity and scope. Assuming there are still federalists in the EU who want deeper European integration (and not just well paid bureaucrats), they should answer the question why the EU appears to side with a third party that uses immigration flows as a weapon, violates its territorial rights and raises claims on its potential resources. Would the state of New York tolerate a Mexico’s invasion of California and would the Congress call for negotiations had Cuba invaded Florida? This is what Brussels do with Greece and Cyprus or even Italy though.
Then again, if they could answer that, they could have answered the question of why the EU is choosing to solve its demographic problems by importing non-European populations and in particular those who are the most culturally incompatible thus unable to fully integrate.
For me the problem is not Erdogan’s Turkey but the fact that it is becoming too obvious that the EU is brain dead (using President Macron’s words), even more so than NATO and that certainly its elite is not in touch with its people.
Erdogan has become a dangerous dictator who represses free speech and journalism. He is oppressing his country in such a way that EU membership is a pipe dream. He simply jails those who oppose him, or he see’s as opposing him (delusional thinking). Turkey has therefore become more dangerous and in my view unsafe for women and tourists alike. Erdogan has set Turkey back 30 years and must go if Turkey is to have the bright progressive future it deserves.
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