No reunification deal yet for Cyprus. One of the world’s most intractable conflicts will remain unresolved for now, after recent talks in Geneva between representatives of Greek and Turkish Cypriots achieved little in the way of progress. Nevertheless, the very fact that talks are taking place at all is noteworthy.
The history of the conflict is (as is often the case) controversial. The island has been divided along its current lines since 1974, when a coup supported by the military junta in Greece collapsed following Turkish military intervention. However, fortified Turkish enclaves had existed on Cyprus since ethnic violence erupted a decade earlier.
The root causes of the conflict are complex, involving the decline and eventual collapse of the Ottoman Empire; British colonialism; Cold War politics, and territorial jostling between modern Greece and Turkey. There is still British sovereign territory on the island, housing key military facilities used by fighter jets and bombers operating in Syria. The UK has agreed to give up half its territory on the island in the event of reunification.
Today, the Republic of Cyprus is a member of the European Union, while Northern Cyprus is formally recognised only by Turkey (and the Turkish military presence there has been denounced by several UN Security Council resolutions). The recent coup-attempt in Turkey and subsequent government crackdown have potentially complicated the situation, as it has led to a cooling of the relationship between the EU and Ankara.
What will it take to finally reunify Cyprus? Do the recent peace talks offer hope that this decades-old conflict could soon be resolved? Let us know your thoughts and comments in the form below and we’ll take them to policymakers and experts for their reactions!
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‘turkish military intervention’ ?
A very soft substitute for INVASION
https://youtu.be/COUwGE0hKgM
Because it stopped the violence in the island. Has anyone died after the military intervention? There is a reason for Turkish army to be there. Turkey is a guarantor country of Cyprus and they stopped greek rebels’ plans to unite with greece which is called enosis and you are welcome for the free cyprus today. :) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AhxeBlLgj6o
Uğur Gönül very biased explanation.
1) After Turkey invaded, many people were killed and more were forced to abandon their homes (more specifically 200.000 people)
2) Are you suggesting that Turkey is suitable to guarantee peace on the island?
3) I want to hear your opinion on a possible single-state solution, governed by EU principles and rules, for all Cypriots Greek Cypriots Turkish Cypriots Mironites Latins etc
In that kind of solution, would you still be in favour of having, not only Turkey, but any state as a guarantor?
Nicolas Panayiotou sir may you please mention what would happen if turkey did not went to cyprus in 1974. EU is still discriminating turkish-cypriots, we do not trust to EU.
Uğur Gönül regarding “Bloody Christmas”, read what Turkish-Cypriot journalist Sener Levent’s report says here:
http://www.thecypriotpuzzle.org/sener-leventwe-still-not-find-out-who-committed-the-crime-of-the-bathroom/
Also, here is a video in which Rauf Denktas admits that it was the Turks who initiated Cyprus intercommunal violence.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y1tUGnWqw2M
Regarding your comment above, please go read some history books.
Turkey had been preparing for the invasion of Cyprus long time before the coup (no need to explain why) and that is how they managed to launch the invasion just 4 days after the coup, on July 19 1974 (landed on the island the next morning).
By the time the UN Security Council was able to obtain a ceasefire on July 22, the Turkish forces were in command of a narrow path between Kyrenia and Nicosia, 3% of the territory of Cyprus, which they succeeded in widening, by violating the ceasefire demanded in UN Resolution 353.
On August 14 Turkey launched its 2nd “Peace Operation”. Turan Gunes called Bulent Ecevit and said the famous code-phrase “Ayse should go on vacation” giving the green light for the 2nd phase of the invasion which eventually resulted in the Turkish occupation of almost 40% of Cyprus. Britain’s then foreign secretary (later prime minister) James Callaghan later disclosed that U.S. Secretary of State (and 1973 Nobel Peace Prize winner!!!) Henry Kissinger “vetoed” at least one British military action to pre-empt the Turkish landing.
The United Nations Security Council has challenged the legality of Turkey’s action, because Article Four of the Treaty of Guarantee gives the right to guarantors to take action with the sole aim of re-establishing the state of affairs. The aftermath of Turkey’s invasion, however, did not safeguard the Republic’s sovereignty and territorial integrity, but had the opposite effect: the de facto partition of the Republic and the creation of a separate political entity in the north. On February 13 1975, Turkey declared the occupied areas of the Republic of Cyprus to be a “Federated Turkish State”, to the universal condemnation of the international community (see United Nations Security Council Resolution 367). The United Nations recognises the sovereignty of the Republic of Cyprus according to the terms of its independence in 1960.
Today, we are asked to trust Turkey and sign a new agreement. However, Turkish h̶i̶s̶t̶o̶r̶y criminal record, has taught us that Turkey cannot be trusted, so in order to accept any proposal we must be 110% certain it will not be another trap that will lead to the complete loss of our country to Turkey.
Cyprus belongs to Cyprus, not Greece and sure not Turkey. 18% was population of ottoman origin Cypriot (not Turkey) and that is the reason Turkish Army invaded the island? But you consider Erdogan a Democrate, what one can expect from you. Illiteracy, total absence of historic knowledge, lack of international law respect… Even if Cyprus wanted “enosis”, back in the ’60s, that would have been the will of the majority. This type of desicion is called DEMOCRACY. But how should you know all about this? You declared sn occupied land “Federal State”….
Uğur Gönül,
Turkish presence in Cyprus is illegal and unnecessary. It is only a guarantor for the division of the island and is the main obstacle for unification. There is no practical role for the Turkish army in Cyprus. It is there in violation of international law and should leave. There is no coup now, so Turkey needs to drop that excuse. No one is fighting and the life of Turkish Cypriots is not threatened.
So, let me get this clear in my head. Greece invades Cyprus and you dismiss this completely. Turkey intervenes as obligated to under a treaty they signed and that you call an invasion? Sorry to say this but you seem to be wholly biased in your outlook of what happened. The real problem is what hasn’t happened since I.e. the reunification of Cyprus as an independent state once more, the withdrawal/substantial reduction of the Turkish “peacekeeping force” and the integration of the different cultural elements of the Cypriot population in a peaceful and meaningful manner.
Türkmen Töre you need to understand that the coup and the invasion were part of the (much older than 1974) US/UK plan, so you cannot ask what would have happened if Turkey had not invaded.
The coup happened so Turkey could justify the invasion. It doesn’t matter if a bunch of fools were used to carry it out believing they could unify Cyprus with Greece.
For years Britain had waged in Cyprus this deliberate policy of repression and denial of democracy, so that it could continue to use the island to preserve and exploit its position in the Middle East, providing a nuclear bomber base and electronic spying facilities tasked, among other things, on preventing the Soviets taking the oilfields on which the West depended. When Cyprus took over from Suez as the British military headquarters for the entire region in 1955 the policy was simple. Britain could never give up Cyprus and could never let it go communist. Or as British Prime Minister Sir Anthony Eden put it: “No Cyprus, no certain facilities to protect our supply of oil. No oil, unemployment and hunger in Britain. It is as simple as that.”
Read about your own Nihat Erim’s book and Dean Acheson reassuring him that the US would not stop them if they decided to take part of the island by force, about 350-400 square miles to use as a military base.
Read about the Acheson and Kissinger plans for double “Enosis”.
Read about what George Ball (US Foreign Ministry) told Martin Packard (British Navy Official) in 1964: “You’ve got it wrong, son. There’s only one solution to this island, and that’s partition.”
Intervention or invasion. No matter. You can’t kill innocent turkish villagers in the island anymore and your enosis became daydream.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y1tUGnWqw2M
I will have to remind you the Greeks invaded first. I am Greek and historian. Read first, type later.
My oh my, Ugur, you never heard of the people that the Turkish soldiers have killed since? You live in a bubble?
I am 1000% Greek and I know that Yunani invaded the island first. My famous Greek grandpa, Mustafa Malaka Bey, told me so. We are all Greeks and know that we invaded the island and then, the good and friendly Turks came and saved us from ourselves by occupying half of the island. I am Greek and historian from Persia, like my friend Immanuel above.
Problem solved turkish soldiers returned,and people who had there property taken be compensated at todays prices.this of course includes the turkish people as they were not to blame.having stayed in cyprus i hope those lovely people get back together.I was there in 1974 and it was a catastrophe for all people in cyprus.my heart goes out to them.and wish them a good outcome.
Can the EU please uphold international law on invasion, military occupation and theft of properties? Can the EU refuse to support troops that invaded and stole people’s property being kept as ‘guarantors’ when the Turkish ‘guarantors’ actually invaded Cyprus in the first place? Can the EU refuse to support a small ethnic minoritys’ demands for a rotating presidency based on ethnicity? Or else the EU will set up a precedent for all ethnic minorities requesting army bases in all EU member countries to protect all their respective ethnicities, plus rotating presidencies for every single minority in each country so they all get an equal turn at running the country. The EU defence clause is defence enough for Cyprus plus the EU army when it is ready.
If that is the case, then Israel would be the first country to be stopped. Isn’t it
Israel is not an EU member state, Cyprus IS.
Israel should uphold international law as should every country. That is what international law is there for. The question is why do they allow these countries to get away with it? Is it because they are nuclear powers? If yes, then it is time for nuclear disarmament to save humanity from nuclear bullies.
I’m wondering what does the reunification going to mean… the Turkish going to left their part to the Greeks, therefore the entire island going to become EU territory or EU going to let the Turkey enter EU trough the back door… i don’t know why but I can bet on the second one…
The whole island was accepted into the EU when Cyprus joined, however special measures were given to a suspension over the occupied areas, until Cyprus is free of occupation. If I remember correctly.
To be honest i don’t know nothing about that issue except two NATO countries had a very bloody war, which means NATO is guarantee for noting.
So I’m interesting why the whole Island is part of EU, where is the logic to accept the Turkish part?
It’s not a ‘Turkish part’. Those areas were taken by force in an invasion, not an ‘intervention’ as the biased article states.
Let’s say then under Turkish control…
There’s no such thing as a Turkish side. There’s the occupied side. And no. That side is not a member of the EU. The Greek side is a member of the EU. Note that no other nation besides turkey recognizes the occupied part as a nation of its own and it’s an act condemned by many internationally
Well.. what they negotiate then?
A solution that can potentially satisfy both sides : The Greek Cypriots and turkey. Most Greek Cypriots want our land back while turkey, at a number of occassions, has the audacity to declare claiming the whole island.
Well lets hope they’ll find a solution, although I can’t imagine what..
The solution is upholding International Law, countless UN Resolutions and Human Rights law but some are selectively blind.
Well… UN (as any other international organisation) is totally useless so don’t count on that …
Bobi Dochev How is Bulgaria and FYROM faring? You too are suffering from Turkey’s expansionist policies and troubles I understand.
Maria Georgiou Well, I personally don’t have anything against modern Turkish people, what we had is in the past different generation different political situation, more over my relatives visit Istanbul for medical treatment because they cant have it here in Bulgaria, so overall I have positive feelings to Turkey and I have some plans to visit it in some point… BUT, I have big concerns about Erdogan’s policies. He become a real dictator and his party announced several times plans for rebuilding the Ottoman Empire and there was maps which include territories from Bulgaria and Greece – so this is something that really worry many Bulgarians because we remember our history with Ottoman Empire.
The other think that worries me is the increasing influence of the Islam and the transformation of the secular Turkey to religious state. I would like to see the Kemal Ataturk’s Turkey not the Erdogan’s one – for me he is the problem…
The problem lies with the Turkish mentality of ‘what’s mine is mine, and what is yours is also mine’. Until the realisation that one cannot possibly hold to ransom, a majorities right over their homes and properties, there will be no solution. An island so small cannot have two states, and cannot possibly ignore the laws of human rights abuses.
The Turks have to get out,, what bulls**t is this modern day invasion!!!
Well, there was the Greek sponsored victimisation of the turk-Cypriot minority, followed by an outright invasion from Greece. Turkey and the UK and I believe Greece also, but not certain on this had signed the treaty of Cypriot independence as guarantors of the treaty, the UK and Turkey had an obligation to send troops to stop a Greek invasion. Did Turkey take advantage of this? Almost certainly, should this matter have been resolved after the Greek government responsible for the invasion collapsed? Probably. Should things have gotten back to a unified and independent Cyprus by now? Absolutely. But by telling untruths about what occurred to begin with you’re coming across as pro Greek rather than pro Cyprus. Since it’s Cyprus who was the victim, I think any reasonable person should be wanting what’s best for them, not Greece or Turkey and not any one racial group of Cypriots either. Can the different groups in cyprus exist peacefully alongside each other? If not why not? Are the Turkish troops being their making peace impossible, or if the Turkish troops left, would there be civil war and oppression? Would non Turkish peacekeeping troops be a better alternative until reunification has been achieved? Seriously, just once it would be nice for one of these debates to be a constructive debate rather than a bunch of opinions of what went wrong or is going wrong. Let’s try to heal Cyprus, not use it as an excuse to point the finger and accuse.
Νame one European state that it is occupied by military troops in 2017.Cyprus Democracy is being occupied 42 years despite all the United Nations resolutions and will.How can it be ever reunited under the Turkish Junta boot?
Is look like you have forgotten the eokas terrorist groups criminal activity against the Turkish Cypriot before 1974,
Ibrahim Uzun Τhe common future will be without troops and rerrorist groups-A common future with hope and peace.(Turkey is a few miles away, it does not need troops on the island).
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y1tUGnWqw2M
Νame one European state that it is occupied by military troops in 2017.Cyprus Democracy is being occupied 42 years despite all the United Nations resolutions and will.How can it be ever reunited under the Turkish Junta boot?
Ibrahim Uzun Τhe common future will be without troops and rerrorist groups-A common future with hope and peace.(Turkey is a few miles away, it does not need troops on the island).
Keep everybody out (Greeks,Turkish,Great Britain,Russia )and they will solve the problem in no time!!!
So you aren’t worried for the ethnically Turkish residents safety well being and right to prosper if not supported military? Genuinely need to ask since the Cypriots that I’ve met don’t really talk about the Turk Cypriots and I’ve only met Greek Cypriots.
But as for keeping Britain out, that’s not likely. We’ve held parts of Cyprus since Richard the Lionheart so there’s the historic significance, and then there’s the fact that unlike Greece, Turkey and Russia, the military bases the UK has in Cyprus play an essential part in our strategic contributions to NATO. Without those bases, our ability to react rapidly is extremely diminished. As is our logistical train to support forces by the air.
Turkish military withdrawal for starters. Then let the two communities figure things out by themselves, with only EU supervision.. The more Turkey meddles the worse things get, and they will never be resolved. And because Turkey will never accept to be left out with only Greece and the U.K. remaining as guarantees, then I say so be it.. Let them all withdraw from the case, so the two communities can work things out themselves with the only supervision by the EU as Cyprus is an EU member state!
What the kind of a photo is this? Is it relevant to Cyprus matter???
The end of Turkish occupation!?
Is not Turkish occupation the Turkish army is protecting the Turkish Cypriot against the Greek Cypriot eoka terrorist group.
Really? Even if that was true which is not. From whom is Turkey still protecting them now? With an army of 40000 troops and the settlement of hundreds of illegal Turkish settlers. There is no eoka group now, Cyprus is in the EU with full respect of.human rights contrary to the situation in Turkey and there were never any problems between Greekcypriots and the other minorities, Armenians. Maronites and Latins, again contrary to Turkey where there is Kurdish persecution.
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Ibrahim Uzun lives in the 70s
Cyprus=hellas…we brothers agianst all the turk enemies…..
Ibrahim Uzun Where is EOKA now? This is 2017 !! And Cyprus is in the EU, do you really believe that they will allow sectarianism?
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Debating Europe Its an invasion/occupation not just a conflict
You greeks are just howling. Turkish army and turks will be in the island forever. Let alone erdogan,EU or united nations, even god himself can not change this. Just be happy that you are free now after 500 years’ slavery under sword.
“United” European Union can find a solution. !!!
The question is not right. The proper one should be: is Europe determined to support the reunion of Cyprus against the will of Erdogan? —- Because discussing about legalizing an invasion means that the Union functions against its principles…
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Only an end to EU backed Turkish occupation.
Just don’t forget UK is also backing the Turks. And seems we mentioned that can you explain me how the Turkish choppers managed to reach Cyprus? Some people say that there was refueling. At “hermes” deck.the same thing goes about the “Turkish pilots “that was black and they couldn’t speak Turkish! !!
Παυλος Χαραλαμπους .
Why would I care ?, its the EU’s problem so you sort it out. :)
In 1974 there was no EU there was only the “London treaty ” Greece GB(back then) and Turkey whas supposed to “protected”the Cyprus from invasion but what really happened was that Turkish troops invaded Cyprus and the NATO units ( mostly British) not only they didn’t help the Cypriots but they backed the invasion with any way they could. They was leaking critical informations to the Turks (in some cases they even adjusted the Turkish artillery fire) and they also cave bombers and crew to the Turkish seens the Turkish pilots was poorly trained .also the NATO units in the area ( especially the 6th us fleet) blocked the way
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And ?
Goodbye pointless EU, goodbye :)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tN9EC3Gy6Nk
Hhh something went wrong. ..anyway what I’m saying is that the problem was there before EU and probably is going to be there after the end of EU because the NATO is always favoring the Turks like spoiled children
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You are talking to the wrong person comrade, only the unelected European Politburo can save you now …. Oh dear…
http://www.politico.eu/article/juncker-dismisses-calls-to-halt-turkey-membership-talks-austria-christian-kern/
Ivan Burrows you think am wrong?
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Nope, I just don’t care :)
vive la liberté !
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tN9EC3Gy6Nk
Okkkkkk
https://youtu.be/yqrAPOZxgzU
Julia Hadjikyriacou
One of my favourite Pistols tracks, thanks :)
It was GREECE who invaded Cyprus Turkey and the UK were OBLIGATED BY THE TREATY to intervene on behalf of Cyprus. Turkey may well have overstepped the mark, but if GREECE hadn’t invaded, there wouldn’t be cause for speculation IF Turkey had invaded, the UN would have been in a much stronger position to oppose Turkish occupation of Cyprus. As it is, Turkish troops in Cyprus has legitimacy because of the Greek invasion. And you can bet Turkey will keep milking that legitimacy for all it’s worth, more than it’s worth frankly. But it was Greece who created this grey area to begin with.
We must support and pursue a solution according to European standards of democracy, human rights, freedom of movement, respect of cultural heritage. Can Europe do this?
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Heil! Roberta 😡
Two states in one military free island under UNO protection….it would not be the first.
A war
extraction of natural gas to boost the economy and provide econimical reasons for the turkish-cypriots (but not to the turkish settlers) to reunite.One way or another cyprus is going to be reunited.Turkey is getting weaker by the day.
don’t recognise them as cyprus citizens and eventually they won’t have a motive to stay.
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Coming from you whose country is economically gangbanged and still begging for help from EU. Well, I guess that could be the major difference between majority of Greeks and Turks.
Well at least I am in europe and half my land isn’t going to by annexed by kurds.AND I HAVE A DEMOCRACY.Also I didn’t say that my country is almighty I just said that ur leader got waaaay above his head and made your country unstable and undependable for the ruling powers.
The Turkish armed forces, many thousand strong, would have to leave Cyprus, and committ that they will stop harassing Cyprus from the Turkish mainland. With Erdo Khan at the helm of Turkey, that is practically impossible.
Xeris to oti khan simeni great enen?
“enen” ?
Yorgis Ali Toufexis enen sthn Kypriaki dialekto shmainei ‘δεν ειναι’.
Erdogangster is not the problem, the problem is Turkey’s insatiable expansionism whoever is in power.
Turkish settlers have driven Turkish cypriots out of the land. Now it’s mostly full of turkmongol fucks.
The thing is , Cyrpus reunifications is pointless…..how wil it be reunified? They either need ot be indipendent as a country both from Greece, Turkey AND other forces or…idk. There’s turkish people living there, greeks and others, how can you change that. It should be cyrpus independance. Let them be multicutural people with no fear from Turks or any European superpowers (yes i’m talking baout England and the rest they know what they’ve done)
Cyprus is not dependant on greece.and the turkish do not belong there.they forced their way into the country.so it seems about right to force then out of it as well
Who told you my dear friends that Greeks live in Cyprus? Cyprus (the free part) is lived by Cypriots (natives), and immigrants. Me, a Greek citizen, when visiting am an EU-citizen. I’m proud to be brother nations, but I respect their country. If I work there, I’m also an immigrant (which is also correct).
And what about the settlers?are they belong there?
they ar enot greeks by nationality ratherby ethnicity. You miss the point though. There are people there from many different ethnical backgrounds, as i said. And they need to be independant. The main thing about Cyprus was the big issue created of wether it should belong to Turkey or Greece. Thos were the most prominent populaitons living there. Many many yers ago.
Now the issue is to give the people independance and freedom as their own country not great economies and military economies hanging over their heads like vultures, trying to get their hands on the riches the Island has to offer.
There should be clear indication that they’re their own countrye, no Turks and no one else has the right to do anythng there. That’s how it must be.
I will say it a thousand times. Cyprians are now made up of many ethnical and national groups divition is no longer reasonable.
Cypriots are MUTLI CULTURAL and MULTI Denominational as you can see in the internationally recognised free areas.
What is being discussed is an intolerable racist apartheidist mini Islamic state and legalised Occupation of the pseudostate.
Unfortunately we all know who created the divisions amongst native Cypriots in order to keep squatting on military bases and use our island as an unsinkable aircraft carrier.
Lets see if anyone in Europe accepts that from Bradford to Berlin.
Maria, I believe the divisions were created by historical differences of ethnicity being used as a means by the Greek and Turkish governments of the day to legitimise their claim to sovereignty of Cyprus. Britain’s involvement in Cyprus dates back hundreds of years (almost a thousand in fact) and there’s no evidence to suggest Britain has caused any conflict between the Greek and Turkish Cypriots. It doesn’t even make sense tactically to do so. The independent Cyprus model agreed under the treaty was more beneficial to the UK than Turkey or Greece taking the whole island, because it still allowed for UK military bases. So why would we want to create a division amongst the populace and threaten our military bases with the instability that would create? So, if you say it was our fault, provide proof or at least some rational theory as to what exactly we had to gain from it. Otherwise maybe change your outlook a little bit?
Free Cyprus from settlers? Hahaha mongol fucks, unless you had always some US or Brit backing you would have been nothing. You just created a fake situation like the Nazis to illegaly invade. Fuck your propaganda mongols and go back to Mongolia where you belong!
Eu cares more about a non-Eu member like Ukraine rathen than a Eu member like Cyprus.What a shame.European Union today is a bad joke.
They call Nato for…albanians that now they want half Kosovo and…Hpeiros. but Cyprus with so many Crimes and half Lefcosia is still islamic its not a problem
Expulsion of Turkish settlers and their descendants as well as the expulsion of the Turkish Army.
Cyprus is Greek and it has been invaded. There is not much to talk about.
Read the comments here: exercise in futility. It ain’t happening
Uğur Gönül very biased explanation.
1) After Turkey invaded, many people were killed and more were forced to abandon their homes (more specifically 200.000 people)
2) Are you suggesting that Turkey is suitable to guarantee peace on the island?
3) I want to hear your opinion on a possible single-state solution, governed by EU principles and rules, for all Cypriots Greek Cypriots Turkish Cypriots Mironites Latins etc
In that kind of solution, would you still be in favour of having, not only Turkey, but any state as a guarantor?
Even the picture of the article is pure european propaganda against the Republic of Cyprus.
The solutions to their unification are more to what we can imagine,the Turkish Cypriot want Turkey to stay and still wants to join the EU,Turkey is not willing to let go of North Cyprus because of economic gain,90% of product in North Cyprus are from Turkey. Left to North Cypriot,they are willing to join the South and become a member state of EU.
A)The Turkish invasion forces to leave the island.
B)Turkey to face International Criminal Court Διεθνές Ποινικό Δικαστήριο for war crimes.
Before Turkey face international criminal justice , Cyprus its self should be on the dock for the eoka terrorist group for the killing and destroying the Turkish Cypriot community.
Ibrahim Uzun you have hard facts to justify your claim?
You have to face the international criminal court for the first turkish invasion at 1570. Already exist documents regarding the atrocities of that time. There is not a turkish community in the island. Invaders cannot be “legalized”. As you can understand this is pure turkish propaganda. There are only innvaders from both turkish invasions at 1570 and 1974.
Ibrahim Uzun maybe you should read some articles of a Brave Turkish Cypriot, Mr Sener Levent who risks his life every day with the things he writes http://mignatiou.com/2016/10/who-will-guarantee-us-cypriots-against-our-guarantor-turkey/
The international criminal courts don’t have the jurisdiction to try an invasion from 1570. Since there were no international laws to break at the time. Otherwise Italy are screwed! So are Mongolia, China, Spain, Britain, scratch that, life began in Africa according to the experts Europe belonged to the Neanderthal, so just put everyone in europe on trial rather than naming each country one at a time. . . . . . . . . . . . . How exactly did the Greeks end up on Cyprus I wonder? Were they there before it separated from the mainland? No? So the Greek Cypriots are illegitimates too in your eyes? Fact is, anyone born in Cyprus is legitimately Cypriot. And trash talking about one ethnic group of it’s population will not heal the rift, it will widen it. That is not in the best interests of Cyprus so I won’t condone it.
A)The Turkish invasion forces to leave the island.
B)Turkey to face International Criminal Court over war crimes charges.
One minority of 18 % not idigenous but from empire of othimans wants the same rights in the goverment with the 82%. They occupite half island and Lefcosia is half islamic territory (thats the propaganda and the final solution: The genocide against christians! Why 20 million -idigenous-kurds gas no right in turkeys empire? Why christians kives under fear there and we build big central mosques innour capitals to migrands during idigenous there have no rights? Democracy and freedom of RACES or religions needs two parts..not only the one.
Is this is how you want to solve the Cyprus problem treating the Turkish Cypriot community second class citizens ?
No waaaaay .
You say it. You behave to your minority as third class people. We behave to muslims very goid with respect. Thraki is the best community in the world that muslims and christians lives fantastic together. So we gave proofs of who is Who? Can you accept CHRISTIANS or you murder all of them?? If you want my home and you put animals in my temple and churches you are my enemy. We are not barbars. Thars our different and values of democracy that you dont even know
Katrin Mpakirtzi if the people in Thrace are living as you said why don’t you respect their identity as Turkish but as muslims , if the Greek Orthodox Churc is still in Istanbul is enough proff to said the that the Cristian’s in Turkey are happy there.
Τhey are so happy that from 250.000 in 1955 now they are 3.000.
The Muslims in Thraci are not turks but greeks muslims roma and Pomaki ancient blond race not with moggils characteristic from s.China Ibrahim. Maby they are some tyrks but they live quiet. 200000 GREEKS orthodox un Constantinople-Instabul was living there instand of them. You press them to leave burning their stores and you take their homes illegal but you want respect for minorities of….you(?). You only take for years. If you want true really relation stop violated daily our EEZ AND AIRSPACE because you want empire…again.Change your nationalism
They have greek identity and passport,no?
EU is a bunch of cowards. That was a blatant Turkish invasion and now they demand a fair diplomatic solution. With this mentality, every country can invade any other and then start negotiations for the occupied territory. Thats literally infuriating
Is look like you have forgotten the eokas terrorist group organisations criminal activity, before Turkey arrive in Cyprus Turkey as garantore country in Cyprus give the ultimatum eoka to stop the killing of the Turkish Cypriot,
why don’t you condemn the eokas killing ?
Ibrahim Uzun INVASION IS A CRIME. PERIOD.
So is trying to exterminate Turkish Cypriots. Period.
Erinc Erdem Exterminate? Wtf u talking about. let them stay as they always used to.PLus your fascist leader has already taken most of the turk-cypriots to mainland. THe current Turks in Cyprus mainly turks
We should let the Cypriots decide about their own future.
Yes thank you for your logic and we should also not forget the dirty foreign funded Greek Junta that invited them by giving them an excuse to invade, rape, loot and hold our island hostage. Cyprus was the sacrifical lamb to bring Greece to its senses from foreign manipulation, we paid the price in BLOOD.
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Yes I agree, so long as what they decide doesn’t include marginalisation or genocide of one particular element of Cypriot society then I’m all in favour of it.
So why Turkish Army did this ? Greeks are innocent ? We are just bored and invade your lands. No we came here for save our people the Cyprus Turks. Our ancestor Ottomans conqured at 1570-1573 so you guys still think this land yours ?
LOL, please!
You invaded Cyprus both times,at 1570 and 1974. According to that, “turkishcypriots” is a turkish propaganda word. Only turkish invaders exist. Thank you for reminding that. Of course the land is a greek land. If you think that 1570 is too far away and this “legalize” your first invasion,then…Don’t forget that mainland Greece was occupied by turkish military forces around 1300 and at 1821,after 500+ years (!!!) was free again,during the war of independence. Now,do your math about Cyprus…
Cyprus belongs to Cyprus, not Greece and sure not Turkey. 18% was population of ottoman origin Cypriot (not Turkey) and that is the reason Turkish Army invaded the island? But you consider Erdogan a Democrate, what one can expect from you. Illiteracy, total absence of historic knowledge, lack of international law respect…
Fahri yazın yanıt olarak iyi bir yazı tarih bilgin de var tebrikler.
Lina Cypriots are Greeks. Even the vast majority of Turkish Cypriots ( not the settlers) are islamised Greeks ( Like the Turco- Kretans in 1669-1898). Read a serius history book, please.
Ilias of course cypriots are greeks,but don’t let yourself be fooled by people that seem to have greek names,like Lina. You never know the real identity and nationality of these persons…
İlias so u meant, cypriot are greeks and greek named ones killing turkish named ones 🙅🏼♂️ you must be a psychotic 👎🏼 go to rehab💁🏼♂️🙆🏼♂️🙅🏼♂️
Cypriots of course are Greeks but Greece has failed them so many times that some of them don’t want even to hear about it. ..my grandfather for example was a Cypriot that was born in Egypt. During the ww2 he was enlisted to RAF simply because the British had promised to unite Greece with Cyprus after the war. .so he became a fighter pilot and later he joint “εβα”(the greek air force) at 1944-5 he left eva because of the civil war .he left for south Africa and he never came back. .he used to say to my father that he left the air force because he couldn’t kill a fellow Greek….
Fahri, stop taking drugs man. But really if you are believing what you are saying, you need to visit a doctor.
Ηλιας Αναγνωστακης αν νομίζεις ότι ξέρεις καλύτερη ιστορία δικό σου θέμα. Ρώτα και τους αδερφούς Κυπρίους και έλα να το ξανασυζητήσουμε. Στέφανος Καρπενησιωτης , αληθινό προφίλ και ανοιχτό, δες ότι λεπτομέρεια θες. Πιο Ελληνίδα δεν γίνεται. Όσο για το ποστ, διαβάστε και λίγο πιο καθαρά τι λέει, καταγγέλει τους Τούρκους. Τι να κάνουμε όμως, τα ίδια τα αδέρφια Κύπριοι καθορίζουν την ταυτότητα τους. Ελληνογενείς είμαστε όλοι, αλλά εμείς Ελλαδίτες και αυτοί Κύπριοι. Δυστυχώς ο αγγλικός λόγος δεν επιτρέπει την ίδια ανάλυση.
Έλληνες είμαστε και οι δύο αγάπη μου όμορφη…Αφού ξέρεις και ιστορία μωρό μου…
Άντε με τις μαλακιες στυλ Αναστασιαδη. Δηλαδή οι Κρητικοί πριν ενωθούν με την Ελλάδα το 1913 τι ήτανε ; Έλληνες δεν ήταν? Ποια ή διάφορα των Κυπρίων τώρα με τους Κρητικούς τοτε; Καμία. Κοψτε τις μαλακιες γιατί μόνο η Ελλάδα μπορεί να σώσει την Κύπρο γιατί είναι αίμα της. Κύπρος χωρίς Ελλαδικά στρατεύματα θα γίνει μπουκιά από τους δολοφόνους απέναντι.
Ωραία θα μαλώσουμε τώρα για το ποιος είναι πιο Έλληνας 😂😂😂😂 αυτό είναι απο μονό του απόδειξη για το πόσο ελλαναραδες είμαστε! !!
Αγαπητή Λίνα,κάνεις το λάθος να ταυτίζεις το κράτος με το Έθνος. Το Έθνος είναι ευρύτερο του κράτους που βρίσκεται στην βαλκανική. Η Ελλάδα σήμερα αποτελείται από 2 κράτη. Θα μπορούσε να ήταν και 10 ή και κανένα. Όπως καταλαβαίνεις η εθνικότητα δεν θα άλλαζε ούτε στην περίπτωση που θα είχαμε 10 διαφορετικές και κατακερματισμένες ελληνικές διοικήσεις (κράτη). Και το σπουδαιότερο… Ελλάδα και ελληνισμός υφίσταται και ΧΩΡΙΣ κράτος. Μετράμε άνετα 2000+ χρονάκια αναρχικής θητείας!
Same reason Turkey invaded Syria…To gain lands. Lands that may be linked to other interests.You do not have to be brilliant to understand this..
FYI OTTOMANS left in 1878, the remaining minority Turkophones are LINOBAMBAKI/ CryptoChristians even that pig Denktash had a GREEK grandmother.
Cyrpus is no more Greece than Quebec is France. No more Greece than North England is Scandinavia. Cyprus is Cyprus. Cyprus wanted independence Greece and Turkey need to start respecting that.
fahri, ottomans also,conqured ,romania,serbia, and most of europe countries ,why turkey dosent try to take those countries.now and claim those too? you talk bullshit, this is 20 th century, alexandra the grate congured all you muslim countries it dosent mean a thing its only history! From 1974 until now ,turkey decide to talk and reunite cyprus again. i know why ,cyprus gas!!
Cant believe my eyes, of these racist, full of hate comments. Why we try to reunify? they hate us 😂
Normal people don’t spent their time all day in the net… what you see here in the comments above are the brainwashed no-lifes. I assure you, the majority in the south really wants to give it a try!
Thank you for your comment, hope no actual fights-attacks will happen 👍🏻
They hate you son of a bitch because your nation has a criminal record, not history. Pampos Stavrou τέτοιες μαλακιες λετε για αυτο σας γλενταει ο Ερντογάν, παπαρα.
Hahahahhdjhklgü
Ilias Angnostakis nice one bonobo 😊
Türkmen Töre People in Cyprus are too civilised and comfortably rich to fight. Any fighting would be a false flag, an attempt to use it as an excuse for war-not by the Cypriots [Turkish and Greek] but by players with an agenda.
You are right. Still some out-forces have huge control over inner-groups in cyprus that we cant close our eyes to their threats. Thank you for your comment. Still cant believe my eyes for those comments with racism, hate and terrorism. You can see who are making these.
Turkmen Tore besides the hatred on both sides, it is good for all sides to be open to the truth. History is there all you have is to read it.And not the history as it is taught in Turkey or Greece. Unless, people overcome propaganda and see the truth there is no way forward
Cant believe my eyes, of these racist, full of hate comments. Why we try to reunify? they hate us
Thank you for your comment, hope no actual fights-attacks will happen ??
They hate you son of a bitch because your nation has a criminal record, not history. Pampos Stavrou τέτοιες μαλακιες λετε για αυτο σας γλενταει ο Ερντογάν, παπαρα.
Hahahahhdjhklgü
Türkmen Töre People in Cyprus are too civilised and comfortably rich to fight. Any fighting would be a false flag, an attempt to use it as an excuse for war-not by the Cypriots [Turkish and Greek] but by players with an agenda.
Τhe only way to be solve is for the Greeks and Turks to leave the Island…
You mean deserting complete the island? 😂
Well it would work I guess, if nobody’s there then nobody will fight over it . . . . . . . .
Τhe only way to be solve is for the Greeks and Turks to leave the Island…
You mean deserting complete the island? ?
Turk mogolians INVADE in Cyprus. A 3000 year old Hellenic terretory. Defend your member.
Bukemedigin eli opeceksin sir.
Ibrehim Ibrahim Uzun only very low level people are addressing the others in a language that they don’t understand SAME ON YOU
Ibrahim Uzun Sen çaresiz bir orospu çocuğusun, aptalın tekisin!
The division meant lack of communication and any other form of interaction between the two communities, creating a perfect breeding ground for taboos and injection of hatred through differing/biased takes of historical teachings. This meant that every year of division pulled the communities further apart with the cementing of the bitter feelings for each other.
The order of the historical events meant that two communities feelings of resentment differed in their direction. Briefly, Turkish Cypriots have negative feelings towards, sensitivities and sense of insecurity stemming from the Greek Cypriots as a result of the events between 1958-1974. Whereas Greek Cypriots have partial similar feelings towards Turkish Cypriots, greater sense of revolt, hate and fear is felt towards Turkey as a result of the events of 1974.
This difference still causes great deal of misperceptions, prejudices, unjust bitterness towards one another between the two communities through their daily communication efforts. It also has a negative effect on the current negotiation process especially within the context of security&guarantees and governance&power sharing.
The prejudices for one another makes it difficult for the necessary courage to be found to initiate the process of reconciliation and trust-building. Because of the lack of trust, communities are reluctant to accept compromises, agree upon one community’s authority over a certain area etc. Rotating presidency is a good example to demonstrate this hesitation of one community to accept the fact that a member of the other community could represent him/her at the highest post in the country and have executive powers over the affairs that involve the whole island.
The sense of mistrust is embedded so deep that it will take probably over 20 or so years to educate the upcoming generations within a culture of peace and federalism. The reason why it is so deep i believe is because of the adoptation of separate education systems, hence paving the way for nationalistic upbringing.
For the future to succeed for all Cypriots in a united island, the people should feel as “one” and live with the same feeling of pride for their common identity, the Cypriot identity.
For this to happen, it is crucial to raise bilingual Cypriots who can communicate. So teaching of both languages of Cyprus should be compulsory and embedded in the system, i.e. not just through optional lessons.
On top of the languages, Cyprus will need to take up on he challenge of nation-building, through which generations will grow up in a common Cypriot history, common Cypriot culture harmonised in a way that acknowledges the two communities but ensures that these are embraced.
Overall, I see the current stage of setting up a federation in Cyprus as the step one of many towards the real unification of the island and the Cypriot people. So, elements of these should be seeded into the system so that we can continue building up on them as generations grow up with stronger sense of common Cypriot identity and have perfect communication with each other.
Uğur Gönül regarding “Bloody Christmas”, read what Turkish-Cypriot journalist Sener Levent’s report says here:
http://www.thecypriotpuzzle.org/sener-leventwe-still-not-find-out-who-committed-the-crime-of-the-bathroom/
Also, here is a video in which Rauf Denktas admits that it was the Turks who initiated Cyprus intercommunal violence.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y1tUGnWqw2M
Regarding your comment above, please go read some history books.
Turkey had been preparing for the invasion of Cyprus long time before the coup (no need to explain why) and that is how they managed to launch the invasion just 4 days after the coup, on July 19 1974 (landed on the island the next morning).
By the time the UN Security Council was able to obtain a ceasefire on July 22, the Turkish forces were in command of a narrow path between Kyrenia and Nicosia, 3% of the territory of Cyprus, which they succeeded in widening, by violating the ceasefire demanded in UN Resolution 353.
On August 14 Turkey launched its 2nd “Peace Operation”. Turan Gunes called Bulent Ecevit and said the famous code-phrase “Ayse should go on vacation” giving the green light for the 2nd phase of the invasion which eventually resulted in the Turkish occupation of almost 40% of Cyprus. Britain’s then foreign secretary (later prime minister) James Callaghan later disclosed that U.S. Secretary of State (and 1973 Nobel Peace Prize winner!!!) Henry Kissinger “vetoed” at least one British military action to pre-empt the Turkish landing.
The United Nations Security Council has challenged the legality of Turkey’s action, because Article Four of the Treaty of Guarantee gives the right to guarantors to take action with the sole aim of re-establishing the state of affairs. The aftermath of Turkey’s invasion, however, did not safeguard the Republic’s sovereignty and territorial integrity, but had the opposite effect: the de facto partition of the Republic and the creation of a separate political entity in the north. On February 13 1975, Turkey declared the occupied areas of the Republic of Cyprus to be a “Federated Turkish State”, to the universal condemnation of the international community (see United Nations Security Council Resolution 367). The United Nations recognises the sovereignty of the Republic of Cyprus according to the terms of its independence in 1960.
Today, we are asked to trust Turkey and sign a new agreement. However, Turkish h̶i̶s̶t̶o̶r̶y criminal record, has taught us that Turkey cannot be trusted, so in order to accept any proposal we must be 110% certain it will not be another trap that will lead to the complete loss of our country to Turkey.
Bomb Turkey ? :)
Do you call yourself a human?
There is so much love for the turks in Europe … yea :)
They will do it to themselves.
Fahri yazın yanıt olarak iyi bir yazı tarih bilgin de var tebrikler.
Ibrahim go to hell. Since 1571, Turks have done enormus crimes to the Greek population of Cyprus. Go to hell you, akinzi, and the bastard Erdogan.
Ibrahim Uzun What turkish CYpriot? 2 families that many turkish journalists said its turkish propaganda for u to invade. You fucking drove away more than 600.000 Greeks from Smyrnh and Konstantinopole around 1920.Others fleed others died. Dont talk
Give it to Turkey!
Problem solved!!
Why not giving you to the Turks to have some fun? They going to love boys like you
Don’t Forget Afrim, that Greece since 1990 Helped Albania and it’s people… Above 1.000.000 Albanians found refuge, jobs, wealth and actually civilzation in Greece and with their money helped their families in Albania… Just Don’t Forget…! (and you want to enter the E.U….Hm?)
Μάρκος Κουντουρούδας yep here we go just a typical Greek! Greeks always threatening Albania! We stop you from joining NATO, we will stop you from joining Schengen but you failed so far and this is why I’m against Greece!
And yes there’s 1 million Albanians in Greece but may I ask you how many Albanian schools is there? Non!
200.000 Greeks in Albania ( most of them “converts “) and there’s Greek school in every city and village!
Who’s more civilised???
Afrim Morina What use would albanian schools have in Greece? So the children can learn a dying language or to study your nation’s 100 year old history?
Prits
The conflict is maintained by the illegal Turkish occupation of Northern Cyprus. No one is threatened there, but the Turkish army is still there. The first step is for that army to leave and the border separating the island to be removed, then a border to be re-established with Turkey, protected by the legitimate Cypriot authorities. For this to happen, the Turkish Cypriots need to understand that they will not be threatened and that there will be democratic rule over the whole island where elections will determine who will be in the parliament, central and local government. There should be guarantees that they will not be expelled to Turkey and that their voice will be heard when decisions are taken on the future of the island. This is why it would be useful as a first step to have a referendum in Northern Cyprus on the presence of the Turkish army there, after mutual talks and after guarantees have been given by the Cypriot government that the human rights of Turkish citizens will be respected and no unification with Greece will be sought. Similarly, the Turkish Cypriot authorities should allow Greek citizens to return to the North and guarantee that their human rights will be respected and that no unification with Turkey will be sought. Also, at this stage in the talks it could be decided to have both Greek and Turkish as official languages on the future unified island.
If Northern Cyprus votes for the Turkish army to leave, then the next step would be general elections for a united Cypriot parliament and government. At this point there will be no border separating the country and only democracy will determine who will govern the island. Turkish Cypriots should understand that they are a minority and this means that they cannot claim half of the authority of the island.
If Turkish Cypriots refuse to let the occupying army go, then re-unification of Cyprus will be impossible for as long as it takes for them to understand that their existence and rights will not be threatened by the Greeks, if the army leaves. This would be achieved only by more talks between the two sides.
Most of what you say has merit. But I would say it’s difficult for a minority of 18% to feel equal democracy will ever represent their interests. As an example, I read somewhere (and don’t know how valid a source it is, but it still makes for a good example so I will cite it nevertheless) that the Turkish Cypriot minority had been redistributed to less favourable lands than they had previously held. Without an above proportionate representation to the extent of equal voice in government, what guarantees could they possibly have that they won’t be marginalised?
The land that the Turkish Cypriots occupy in the North has been taken from the Greek Cypriots. It has not been distributed to them. Does the legitimate government of Cyprus have any authority over the Northern part of the island? No. So I don’t believe in this. Rather the opposite has happened – Turkey has abused its power by unlawfully taking land from Greek Cypriots and giving it to Turkish settlers.
What I was saying is based on reciprocity – it is not only the Greek Cypriots that have to give, but also the Turkish. They already have their land and should not be afraid that anyone will take it from them. They could agree on the exact terms of mutual land redistribution in the talks preceding the unification. I think the best guarantee for peace on the island is the past. Both sides now know what can happen, if they try to seize what is not theirs, so neither will want to abuse the other again. I would say that they are already equal – Greek Cypriots are a majority on the island, but Turkey has a stronger army to counteract that. Now it is all about working out how not to allow the past to repeat itself again. If the two parties show no wisdom and have no real desire to live together as they were before the conflict, then unification is not possible at present.
Mia, I think you misunderstood my point. The lands I was referring to pre date the events of 1974. I wasn’t talking about the lands annexed as a result of military actions.
As for the fact Turkey’s army is bigger than Greece’s as a means to ensure equality under a reunified Cyprus, well that wouldn’t work would it? Cyprus as a sovereign nation would be self governed and as such any Turkish military intervention against Cyprus’s government that did not have the backing of the UN would be completely illegal and unlike their involvement in 1974 would not have any legitimacy at all. Any reunification needs to be based on hope of peace, not fear of further occupation.
How the Turks got the land to start with Duncan is that under Sharia law non-Muslims are not allowed to own land. So, the land was removed from the native populations to be given to the Muslim conquerors back in the Middle Ages. Once Turkish rule was finished and the locals were in government again, I think, it makes perfect sense that they would take the land back and give it back to their people. The invaders have the option of going back to where they came from to start with.
Karolina, that same logic would mean anyone of Germanic decent must leave western Europe, most of the population of America needs to be relocated and so on and so forth. Utterly unfeasible. If there’s any chance for a peaceful tomorrow you need to forgive the hurts of yesterday. Also, the treaty that gave Cyprus it’s independence is significant legally speaking since it meant the lands allocated to the turk-cypriot minority had been ratified. Sentiments like the one you just gave were probably the justification used when those people who had been Cypriots their entire lives were evicted from their homes. This sort of thing is what Turkey claims mean they cannot leave still. It’s not the solution, it never will be, and it’s actually being part of the problem.
Not the same, Duncan, as Turkish Cypriots are a minority plus differ culturally. Democracy is meant to protect minorities but also means that the majority rules.
Türkmen Töre you need to understand that the coup and the invasion were part of the (much older than 1974) US/UK plan, so you cannot ask what would have happened if Turkey had not invaded.
The coup happened so Turkey could justify the invasion. It doesn’t matter if a bunch of fools were used to carry it out believing they could unify Cyprus with Greece.
For years Britain had waged in Cyprus this deliberate policy of repression and denial of democracy, so that it could continue to use the island to preserve and exploit its position in the Middle East, providing a nuclear bomber base and electronic spying facilities tasked, among other things, on preventing the Soviets taking the oilfields on which the West depended. When Cyprus took over from Suez as the British military headquarters for the entire region in 1955 the policy was simple. Britain could never give up Cyprus and could never let it go communist. Or as British Prime Minister Sir Anthony Eden put it: “No Cyprus, no certain facilities to protect our supply of oil. No oil, unemployment and hunger in Britain. It is as simple as that.”
Read about your own Nihat Erim’s book and Dean Acheson reassuring him that the US would not stop them if they decided to take part of the island by force, about 350-400 square miles to use as a military base.
Read about the Acheson and Kissinger plans for double “Enosis”.
Read about what George Ball (US Foreign Ministry) told Martin Packard (British Navy Official) in 1964: “You’ve got it wrong, son. There’s only one solution to this island, and that’s partition.”
Παυλος Χαραλαμπους .
Why would I care ?, its the EU’s problem so you sort it out. :)
Its sad and I say it as a Pro-Europeanist that the EU have failed to promote its members State interests and instead have kept a blind eye on the Turkish INVASION & OCCUPATION. I guess Cyprus is too small to care about compared to Ukraine huh? If Russians have occupied Cyprus I suppose it would be more of importance for a solution to be found.
And this flag on the pic isn’t the Cypriot one. Stop ur fcking propaganda.
Its sad and I say it as a Pro-Europeanist that the EU have failed to promote its members State interests and instead have kept a blind eye on the Turkish INVASION & OCCUPATION. I guess Cyprus is too small to care about compared to Ukraine huh? If Russians have occupied Cyprus I suppose it would be more of importance for a solution to be found. It seems that despite the increasingly demandings on several aspects and despite the fact that helped ISIS and committed so many crimes (reporters, Syria, Hamas etc) they still don’t want to disappoint Sultan Erdogan.
And this flag on the pic isn’t the Cypriot one. Stop ur fcking propaganda.
Crimes before 1974 were on both sides, greek cypriots and turkish cypriots both fought with eachother. Why? They lived peacefully for hundreds of years….why did they tirn on each other? Because of the British. The British Empire had a rule of “divide and conquer” and that is what happened in Cyprus. Learn some history. Also, the original inhabitants of Cyprus were Greek and it was one of the earliest Christian nations in the world. Yes, Cyprus was then invaded by EVERYONE (including the Ottomans) but land and populations are not influenced by their captors. Hence why the majority of the inhabitants remained Greek and Christian. And for the record Eoka B was made up mostly of Greek generals from mainland Greece. They killed Greek Cypriots as well as Turkish Cypriots. People must learn their facts, not just rumours.
Peace will only come when other countries leave the Cypriots on both sides to fibd a solution. Turkey, Greece, UK and other guarantors are NOT NECESSARY in a modern democratic European country.
Have you any proof? Given the “British Empire” was not a thing in 1974 I find it extremely difficult to believe that we were trying to decide and conquer as you put it. Let’s face it in fact, if that was our goal we’d have used the Greek invasion and the Turkish annexation as grounds to take the whole island wouldn’t we?
Crimes before 1974 were on both sides, greek cypriots and turkish cypriots both fought with eachother. Why? They lived peacefully for hundreds of years….why did they tirn on each other? Because of the British. The British Empire had a rule of “divide and conquer” and that is what happened in Cyprus. Learn some history. Also, the original inhabitants of Cyprus were Greek and it was one of the earliest Christian nations in the world. Yes, Cyprus was then invaded by EVERYONE (including the Ottomans) but land and populations are not influenced by their captors. Hence why the majority of the inhabitants remained Greek and Christian. And for the record Eoka B was made up mostly of Greek generals from mainland Greece. They killed Greek Cypriots as well as Turkish Cypriots. People must learn their facts, not just rumours.
Peace will only come when other countries leave the Cypriots on both sides to fibd a solution. Turkey, Greece, UK and other guarantors are NOT NECESSARY in a modern democratic European country.
Stop talks of humiliation. Its turkish invasion to a greek island. 3000 years of greek history . Turks only as troops and invaders. In Ottoman period and 1974. Stop divition and a state with Turkey. The only solution is to be free from Turkey.
Greek Cypriots and Turkish Cypriots can live together in peace. But for this to happen Turkish troops need to get out of Cyprus. Cypriots can manage their land and their future.
You really believe that the Turkish army is ever going to withdrew? Do be honest I don’t believe so ..
There are only Cyrpiots
no… we can’t live together. firstly we don’t want them. and secondly they killed too many cypriots and nobody apologised. :)
Natalie Fouka don’t be so naive the occupied part is full of settlers what is going to be with them? Do you think they feel Cypriots? And what about those people that was grown in the pseudo state you think they feel Cypriots or Turkish?
İlias so u meant, cypriot are greeks and greek named ones killing turkish named ones ??♂️ you must be a psychotic ?? go to rehab??♂️??♂️??♂️
Cypriots of course are Greeks but Greece has failed them so many times that some of them don’t want even to hear about it. ..my grandfather for example was a Cypriot that was born in Egypt. During the ww2 he was enlisted to RAF simply because the British had promised to unite Greece with Cyprus after the war. .so he became a fighter pilot and later he joint “εβα”(the greek air force) at 1944-5 he left eva because of the civil war .he left for south Africa and he never came back. .he used to say to my father that he left the air force because he couldn’t kill a fellow Greek….
I’m sure we can all agree on one thing; Britain has the best claim to Cyprus.
Nice one.
Shut up !
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oCXbGq5Ukzw
Turkmen Tore if you knew a little but of history, you would know that during the Ottoman brutal occupation of you were Christian and became Muslim then you were a ” Turk ” from now on. This ofcourse, does not mean that your DNA is surely Turkish. Try to find yourself, maybe your Grand-grand father was a convert or a Janisarry:)
Cyprus is a European country and it is a lie that turks will be threatened by the greeks. Turkey with false excuesses occupied the greek island of Cyprus.
Παυλος Χαραλαμπους
And ?
Goodbye pointless EU, goodbye :)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tN9EC3Gy6Nk
Παυλος Χαραλαμπους
You are talking to the wrong person comrade, only the unelected European Politburo can save you now …. Oh dear…
http://www.politico.eu/article/juncker-dismisses-calls-to-halt-turkey-membership-talks-austria-christian-kern/
It will take good will and respect….something non existant in politics.
It will take good will and respect….something non existant in politics…….and the island must be completely demilitarised. ..something impossible for the turks.Conclusion…one divided island with 2 states that can cooperate and live in peace without foreign interference. One island belonging to the islanders. ..and they will find a way to coexist.
Ibrahim Uzun Sen çaresiz bir orospu çocuğusun, aptalın tekisin!
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Nope, I just don’t care :)
vive la liberté !
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tN9EC3Gy6Nk
Μια μέρα όλη η Κύπρος θα είναι Τουρκικό Χώρο…οπος ήταν για πάντα στον Οθωμανικά χρόνια..
Why? For second genocide of Turkish ?
Are u talking about a cypriot genocide ? Or better GREEK CYPRIOT.read some history books before u comment
ثكلى ثراسيفولو You should read arab
WTF who did greek genocide in cyprus? Are u crazy?
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Adam Jones, “Turkish military intervention”? So tell us. What do you describe as a military invasion? Maybe invading an independent foreign country via the means of military force? Killing? Raping? Throwing people via force out of their rightful owned homes and occupying territory of another country for 42-43 years? Illegally bringing hundreds of thousands of your own people to inhabit this area, to live in the houses and land owned by someone else? You should read again international law to remind you the meaning of the words. Not to mention the biased and totally inappropriate picture of the article.
Read some history. You raped and killed our people in İzmir, in West Anatolia. And now you are talking about international laws or something like that. But Turkey only saved Cyprus Turks from the danger of the racist greek groups. Is that a bad thing?
Doğu Bahadır I should read some history! Really? Are you joking, because if you are not your case is very very serious. There are at least 3 other minority groups in Cyprus. The Greekcypriots never had any problems with theM. Even Turkish Cypriots do not want Turkey and are afraid of Turkey, you know that? Can you say the same about Turkey? How have the Turks treated the Armenians, the Kurds then and now, the Greeks in Izmir in 1923 or in Constantinople during the 1950s ( you must have been told the story backwards) the Pontian Greeks? What about the invasion of Syria now? I skip your knowledge of history. What about logic? All of us are wrong but Turkey is right yes? Turkey is a peace loving nation, inside and outside its borders?
Persecution of Greeks in Constantinople in 1955. Your knowledge of history lacks. What about your eyesight? http://www.onalert.gr/stories/septembriana-sygklonistikes-fwtografies-foniko-pogrom/44623
tell me what happened to turkish people who lived in greece land till 19.century.
Turkey occupied the Greek state and the Syrian territory which is historically destroyed the Syrian and Greek civilization when they occupied for 400 in civilized countries such as Greece and Syria have killed and displaced Haoppea. Turkey supporting terrorism in Syria to occupy new land there and bring down the Syrian state
Yigit GUREL, you have not answered the question but I have no problem answering any of yours. Ever heard of treaty of lausanne of 1923? According to this treaty there was exchange of population between Greece and Turkey WI the exception of the Muslims in Thrace and the Greeks in Constantinople who supposedly were allowed to stay. There were 110.000 Greeks and 100.600 Muslims respectively. 93 years later the Greeks left are 1.200 and the Muslims are 172.000 with the right to elect MPS in the Greek Parliament. What is YOUR explanation for this? Who respects whom? Who persecutes whom over the years?
First it is too bad to see how a racism take your control as sons of great greek civilizaion.Be sure in turkey nobody hates you as you hate us (ı’m talking on comments)My friend ı know lausanne of course.Do you know what means 19.century ? I m about Massacres against Turks during the Greek War of Independence.anyway,blaming each other means nothing.My suggest for you,please read this book:Stomena Homata/Dido Sotiriyu
I did not say we are the sons of great Greek civilization. Point 1. It’s Ματωμενα Χωματα. MATOMENA chomata. Which means bloody soil and refers to the life of a Greek who was forced to Serve in amele taburu ( labour battalions) of the Turkish. The book perfectly describes the hardships of the Greek in Turkey the period of WW1. We all read it in school and it’s in Greek. Maybe you have read a distorted version in Turkish otherwise your reference to it does not make sense
Still NOTING that you have not answered to any of my questions. Actually this point alone answers them all. Including your reference to my so called fanatism when all I did was answer with arguments which you were never able to reply to. Any more discussion at this point is pointless. You should open your mind, start reading unbiased sources, put down logic of events and actions in order for you to start working towards for a new Turkey and not the current or past, for the benefit of all people in the region and for you as well. No one wants war and the imperialistic power of the region you know perfectly well that it is still Turkey
Okay I’ll tell you why Turkish Army is in Cyprus.First we need to remember history
Cyprus was under Venetian Control until 1570.İn 1570 Cyprus conquered by Ottoman Empire and stayed under Ottoman rule until 1878, when Ottoman Empire left island to Great Britain.Between this two dates,hundreds of thousands Turks moved to every part of island.İn 1960 Cyprus won its independence from England.After that EOKA started to trying unite the Cyprus with Greece.Have you ever heard EOKA,ENOSİS,AKRİTAS PLAN?
Then started to kill and destroy Turkish populatin.I say that with full of clear evidences.Also you can find a lot of sources about it. (Taşkent,Maratha, Santalaris and Aloda massacres and Bloody Christmas -as many as ı remember now-)
So What does TAF do?Like all of armies,protects its own people.This is simple as it.
(Here is one of reason:During the Bloody Xmas of 1963 in Cyprus, extremist Greek Cypriot EOKA militants made a raid to Turkish Military Doctor Lt. Nihat Ilhan’s house in Nicosia and murdered his wife and 3 children in the bathroom where they took shelter.https://i.ytimg.com/vi/RRaApK9Xrm0/maxresdefault.jpg
About İzmir:What were Greek Army doing at Anatolia?They came here to drink a cup of Turkish coffe? :)
Armenian genocide is a imperialist lie.Yes,bad things happened in 1915 but can’t be named as “genocide”.Here,European Court of Human Rights says that: http://hudoc.echr.coe.int/eng?i=001-158235
About Kurds:WE HAVE NO PROBLEM WİTH KURDS.WE HAVE PROBLEMS WİTH TERRORİST ORGANİZATİON PKK AND İTS İMPERİALİST SUPPORTERS.
You should have seen in Stomena Homata how that imperialist countries used and throw out.My first point was it about the book.
These answers enough I think.Speccialy for a turcophobe.
Rich men fight,poor men die my friend.
Yigit gurel about the so called “bathroom massacre “a Turkish reporter the one how actually to the fotos back then had told that the military doctor had a “amok” 2 or 3 days later he was asked to change his statement blaming “eoka” also don’t forget that the original Cypriot army and police and state in general collapsed after Turkish Cypriots started to disobey orders which led in riots in Nicosia the truth is that makarios asked for help. FRom Greece but the Greek chief of staff told him that he couldn’t do anything so eventually the sampson’s group started to forcing it’s way into Nicosia. For me makarios althow is not to be blamed for the violence -at least he tried to create a just system that was based on the” %” of the population he is to be blamed for not doing anything about sampson also i will have to say don’t be so naive Turkey did in 1974 the dirty work for the American president- the Americans and the British didn’t want a “red priest “in head of the ” unsinkable aircraft carrier ” so they but in action the green line scenario how you think my friend the Turkish choppers managed to reach the island? ?you know They had to refuel and you probably know that they didn’t that on the deck of HMS “hermes” you probably also know that the Turkish air force used us and British pilots- especially after “attila 2” there are reports from national guard units that say that some of the arrested pilots was black and couldn’t talk Turkish! !!so do be so naive or at least don’t play been so naive 👍😉
And for gods sake the book is called Ματωμένα χώματα ( bloody soil/ land ) matomena homata
http://mignatiou.com/2016/10/who-will-guarantee-us-cypriots-against-our-guarantor-turkey/ – A reply of a Turkish Cypriot for Turkey acting as guarantee
Answer for the Bloody Christmas – again from a T/S journalist. http://www.thecypriotpuzzle.org/sener-leventwe-still-not-find-out-who-committed-the-crime-of-the-bathroom/
Armenian genocide http://www.nytimes.com/ref/timestopics/topics_armeniangenocide.html
So all of us are liars. The Greekcypriots, the UN security Council ( with its resolutions 360, 353 etc ), the Armenians, the Kurds, the Pontiac Greeks, the Greeks, the 26 countries who formally recognized the Armenian Genocide including the US, France, Germany etc. Only Turkey says the truth :)
I will not lose any more time with you. It’s hopeless. No real history knowledge and more importantly no common sense and only plain fanatic nationalism and then you call me a fanatic for demanding the freedom of my country!
We have a big trust problem between the two ethnic groups that live in the island . With Turkey guarantees no Greek-Cypriot will ever feel save as Turkey it’s not an ordinary country . According to 1960 guarantee treaty for example the U.K is a guarantee power too. The problem is that Turkey is an imperialist power which in it’s internal matters infriges democratic rights of it’s own citizens and violates human rights and it’s international relations violates international law and the pacta sunt servanta principle in a constant basis. Not to mention the lunatic sultan who jails everyone who is opposed to him. The Cyprus problem was created by nationalism and big powers interests (at that time UK interests) .Therefore we need to leave nationalism behind and find a solution that pleases big powers and at the same time is as fair it can gets and sustainable.
We have a big trust problem between the two ethnic groups that live in the island . With Turkey guarantees no Greek-Cypriot will ever feel save as Turkey it’s not an ordinary country . According to 1960 guarantee treaty for example the U.K is a guarantee power too. The problem is that Turkey is an imperialist power which in it’s internal matters infriges democratic rights of it’s own citizens and violates human rights and in it’s international relations violates international law and the pacta sunt servanta principle on a constant basis. Not to mention the lunatic sultan who jails everyone who is opposed to him. The Cyprus problem was created by nationalism and big powers interests (at that time UK interests) .Therefore we need to leave nationalism behind and find a solution that pleases big powers and at the same time is as fair it can gets and sustainable.
Turkey illegaly (according to the UN) invaded and occupies northern Cyprus. The only problem is that Greek Cypriots do not wish to have the Turkish army in Cyprus after a solution, and the Turks believe that they were slaughtered by Greeks (although there is proof that’s Turkish propaganda. Turkey, according to Davutoglu in his book “strategic depth”, wants Cyprus under Turkish control because Turkey lacks strategic depth from that side) and so want the Turkish army there to protect them. A possible solution would be to have a permanent european force stationed in the island instead, to protect both sides (that would be convenient since Cyprus is also the south eastern border of Europe). Problem is, Turkey would require some guarantees and benefits to accept that too.
Turkey has the most troops in NATO, which defends Europe. Now can you retell me what you were saying?
Saidkamol Samuel Yunusoff Greek Cypriots will not accept the presence of Turkish troops in Cyprus as a guarantor because those troops invaded Cyprus. I will not enter into a debate on whether Turkey has the most troops in NATO and who has the biggest &@”%, I am just saying that a European army/ force would be ideal as a guarantor
Saidkamol Samuel Yunusoff you went into Syria and your army is being massacred seens then,bbc CNN are all talking about the ” Turkish Vietnam ” the isis even took some of your tanks and is using them against you! !!which is a great disgrace for army to being killed by their own weapons! !!so what is the benefit for NATO to have 1 million men that doesn’t know how their rifles work? Or been killed by hundreds from a group of poorly armed gangs? If katsapliades can do such a damage imagen what a real army can do
http://mignatiou.com/2016/10/who-will-guarantee-us-cypriots-against-our-guarantor-turkey/
Greece will guarantee you and due to bankruptcy they will sell whole Cyprus to Turkey again 😀
Shame. Such a big head and to be empty :)
We don’t want Greece nor turkey nor England to be guarantor. In a modern state guarantor is a step backwards. We don’t want to became a puppet state of turkey like tc now.
Alekos, guarantors if they do their job correctly and are sufficiently powerful enough to deter attack don’t do anything. It’s only when Greece invades and Turkey retaliates but then refuses to leave that guarantors get a bad name. Would Cyprus be able to muster enough military to be able to guarantee itself? If not, which is highly probable then one or more respectable and trustworthy guarantors are a good idea.
fuck off turkey..the must all go back to mongolia..where the were coming from…
Αγαπητή Λίνα,κάνεις το λάθος να ταυτίζεις το κράτος με το Έθνος. Το Έθνος είναι ευρύτερο του κράτους που βρίσκεται στην βαλκανική. Η Ελλάδα σήμερα αποτελείται από 2 κράτη. Θα μπορούσε να ήταν και 10 ή και κανένα. Όπως καταλαβαίνεις η εθνικότητα δεν θα άλλαζε ούτε στην περίπτωση που θα είχαμε 10 διαφορετικές και κατακερματισμένες ελληνικές διοικήσεις (κράτη). Και το σπουδαιότερο… Ελλάδα και ελληνισμός υφίσταται και ΧΩΡΙΣ κράτος. Μετράμε άνετα 2000+ χρονάκια αναρχικής θητείας ως Έθνος!
A miracle…
Debating Europe Η ΕΕ ειναι μια ομαδα διορισμενων επιτροπων και καμια σχεση δεν εχει με τις αρχες και αξιες που διακυρησσει αποδειξη η Κυπριακη Δημοκρατια ουτε υποστηρηξη ουτε αλληλεγγυη εχει απο την Ενωση βαση του καταστατικου και του πρωτοκολλου ενταξεις. Μπορω να πω ειναι ενα club υποκρισιας και οσον πιο γρηγορα διαλυθη τοσον το καλητερο για τους λαους και εθνη της Ευρωπης. Απο την σημαια που αναρτατε φαινετε ποσο σεβεστε την Κυπριακη Δημοκρατια
Όσο πιο γρήγορα διαλυθεί η ΕΕ,τόσο το καλύτερο για την ανθρωπότητα!
Debating Europe Η ΕΕ ειναι μια ομαδα διορισμενων επιτροπων και καμια σχεση δεν εχει με τις αρχες και αξιες που διακυρησσει αποδειξη η Κυπριακη Δημοκρατια ουτε υποστηρηξη ουτε αλληλεγγυη εχει απο την Ενωση βαση του καταστατικου και του πρωτοκολλου ενταξεις. Μπορω να πω ειναι ενα club υποκρισιας και οσον πιο γρηγορα διαλυθη τοσον το καλητερο για τους λαους και εθνη της Ευρωπης. Απο την σημαια που αναρτατε φαινετε ποσο σεβεστε την Κυπριακη Δημοκρατια
Όσο πιο γρήγορα διαλυθεί η ΕΕ,τόσο το καλύτερο για την ανθρωπότητα!
Europe and UN should press Turkey to redraw troops and settlers, these are the obstacles for a normal democratic solution in Cyprus
In your dreams EOKA was the reason we came there and Turks have rights to live in Cyprus as Rums.
Rums started killing Turks. EOKA started the killing Civillian Rums. Thats why Turkish Soldiers came to Island we tried to end this with political way but EOKA not listened.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bloody_Christmas_(1963)
Turkish Cypriots are the 18% of population in Cyprus, and Cyprus goverment propose them a federation solution, this is a fair solution, no armies, and guarrantors UN security counsil, DON’T reject it, if you do, soon Sultan will come and make you halifate
And its not illegal to keep Turkish Troops on the Island we are one of the three guarantor Nation Its our duty to keep both Rum and Turk Cypriots safe.. Not put them in a fight and give them weapons to kill eachother like Greece.
we don’t accept settlers from any country specially Turks to remain in cyprus, only G/C and T/C the legal residence can stay, ALL others must go back to their country
Pan Sol %18 lets look at the population before the EOKA massacares. Still there is mass graves coming out of different places even my one of them came out close to my Friend’s House in Lefkosa.
Pan Sol Plus that Federation idea. Lets see what was happened last time we united the Cyprus and put Rums on the lead make a stupid Priest a President and Turkish Cypriot Prime Minister..
Hmm yeah..Rums not let Turkish Congressman’s into Parliment arrested Turkish Prime Minister and banned the Turkish Cypriots from Politics.
Deniz, you know HALF history maybe less, all it was a game of fascist to take Cyprus under control of their foreign bosses account, WAKE UP, my dear, in the propose solution there is no chance to let them repeat it, only if Turkey remain in Cyprus is sure that troubles will contine
http://mignatiou.com/2016/10/who-will-guarantee-us-cypriots-against-our-guarantor-turkey/
Turkey propose to be guarantor for her self in Cyprus
Why don’t you read the articles of a Turkish Cypriot who can give all the answers to your Turkish fanatism Deniz? there are more of that if you want. I can fill the whole Facebook wall.
Deniz is probably a settler , who must leave Cyprus by the solution, that why he react like that
Deniz Demircioğlu I understand that there is conflict between Kurds and Turks now right? what if we invite Russia to invade Turkey and keep both the Kurds and the Turks safe as well? Maybe split Turkey in half, half of it to become Kurdish republic and half Turkey. Apply the same solution. The conflict in Turkey can also, as in your opinion, end in this political way as well. Russia can act as guarantor, bring thousands of its people to also settle in Turkey or the new Kurdish state, throw out any Turkish origin people who used to live there and also keep 40000 soldiers there just in case, to ensure peace. ( I apologize to any Russian people, Russia it’s the nearest country to be used as an example – no offense.)
How they press Turkey? Turkey is providing 1mln troop for NATO
Saidkamol Samuel Yunusoff you went into Syria and your army is being massacred seens then,bbc CNN are all talking about the ” Turkish Vietnam ” the isis even took some of your tanks and is using them against you! !!which is a great disgrace for army to being killed by their own weapons! !!so what is the benefit for NATO to have 1 million men that doesn’t know how their rifles work? Or been killed by hundreds from a group of poorly armed gangs? If katsapliades can do such a damage imagen what a real army can do
Kibris Girit Olmayacak Kıbrıs’ta, Kuzey Kıbrıs Türk Cumhuriyeti ve Güney Kıbrıs Cumhuriyeti VAR! HERKESİN BİLGİSİNE…
Kibris Girit Olmayacak Kıbrıs’ta, Kuzey Kıbrıs Türk Cumhuriyeti ve Güney Kıbrıs Cumhuriyeti VAR! HERKESİN BİLGİSİNE…
we will never let Turkey to make any state halifate in Cyprus, Cyprus is ONE country and ONE state
You are talking about Ottomans. It is 21st century wake up. You were more under Venice trade republic which is Italian than Greek.
time is short, till emperor get full power, turkish cypriots look like chickens got line to slaughter house without realize it, after empire enthronise no excuses,
Ok go back to Greece. And after sometime they will sell you and ur ass to Turkey due to bankruptcy 😊😉😀
back to Greece impossible, we came 3000 years ago, nobody there remember us after so long time
maybe easier for you the opposit Samuel
So BIG HEAD SO EMPTY!
ahahahahahahah la götü sikli avrupalilar siz türkün askerle girdigi yeri hiç savaşmadan biraktigini gördünüzmü ????? amina soktugumun avrupasi ………………… kipris türk kalacak …………………..
ahahahahahahah la götü sikli avrupalilar siz türkün askerle girdigi yeri hiç savaşmadan biraktigini gördünüzmü ????? amina soktugumun avrupasi ………………… kipris türk kalacak …………………..
It is believed to be a loss of time and money to work on that massive project…the influences of Turkey is the main reason and then the Greek’s one coming next….basically , you have to attract the Turks first then (despite the uncalculated costs) then to convince the others on that it will not helps Turkey alone…..it needs a good calculation done by very good people from the both sides and they are responsible but not the others…
Μάρκος Κουντουρούδας yep here we go just a typical Greek! Greeks always threatening Albania! We stop you from joining NATO, we will stop you from joining Schengen but you failed so far and this is why I’m against Greece!
And yes there’s 1 million Albanians in Greece but may I ask you how many Albanian schools is there? Non!
200.000 Greeks in Albania ( most of them “converts “) and there’s Greek school in every city and village!
Who’s more civilised???
Yes, the Turkish troops are a problem to the reunification, but the Turk Cypriots feel unsecured without them, I think 10,000 Turkish troops should remain in the Cyprus for ten years , so the Turkish Cypriots can trust the Greek Cypriots who once tried to unite the island with Greece.
UN security council troops can play the role of guarantor, any other army will destroy federation solution
Pan Sol you mean like the role they played in Bosnia? The Dutch army’s UN peace corps whom just left innocent women and children in camps to be slaughtered and rape until no one left alive by Slobodan Milošević’s Serbian troops in 1995? Sure well as an north Cypriot Turk whom served in army like every other Turkish citizen of Turkish Republic of north Cyprus; I prefer my rifle more safer than empty words. Besides if no southerner greek has no bad intention like Butcher Nikos Sampson of 1974 then an Turkish Cypriot army should not make anyone scared and even supported as an ethnic and national right for both sides. %90 of all land troops are young Turkish Cypriots these soldiers don’t come from another country.
Then tc are not ready for solution. Stay with your army and your fake country. You feel safe with turkeys army but we are not(GC). And it is not the same with milosevitzs. He was a dictator
And Niko Samson was a generation before and besides no one celebrate or believe in him any more.
I’m Turkish and I hope unification occurs. I think no Greek wants to listen to stories of barbarian Turks, no Turk wants to hear about traitor and ruthless Greeks anymore. If we are to unite with European identity, we need solid proofs that we will not polarize when times are tough, no matter our greedy politicians say.
Deniz Demircioğlu I understand that there is conflict between Kurds and Turks now right? what if we invite Russia to invade Turkey and keep both the Kurds and the Turks safe as well? Maybe split Turkey in half, half of it to become Kurdish republic and half Turkey. Apply the same solution. The conflict in Turkey can also, as in your opinion, end in this political way as well. Russia can act as guarantor, bring thousands of its people to also settle in Turkey or the new Kurdish state, throw out any Turkish origin people who used to live there and also keep 40000 soldiers there just in case, to ensure peace. ( I apologize to any Russian people, Russia it’s the nearest country to be used as an example – no offense.)
It wont be any runification. Who in hell want to Islamisise the Greec Cyprus part. Forget it.
Turkey was have a reason to invading North of Cyrpus, Our brothers (Cyprus Turks) were in danger because of the fascist greek groups.
gamo tin MANA SOU
Then, before 50 years. This is the more lame excuse ever.
What do you think? Before 50 years or 1000 years, cyprus government refused our merger requests over and over. If there’s no a solution and assurance, why turkey give its own land to you?
If your brothers really felt in danger they would not have fled to the North of the island they would have gone to Turkey.As the greeks of Turkey had to do several times to escape massacre.
If you are calling Cyprus Turkey’s “own land”, Dogu, this is giving quite a clear picture of the nature of the problem. The notion of self-identification means that each country determines its own destiny and that should include Cyprus. It doesn’t mean that other countries determine it. If the Turkish Cypriots identify with Turkey, they have the option of relocating there.
Shit
Read some history. You raped and killed our people in İzmir, in West Anatolia. And now you are talking about international laws or something like that. But Turkey only saved Cyprus Turks from the danger of the racist greek groups. Is that a bad thing?
Doğu Bahadır I should read some history! Really? Are you joking, because if you are not your case is very very serious. There are at least 3 other minority groups in Cyprus. The Greekcypriots never had any problems with theM. Even Turkish Cypriots do not want Turkey and are afraid of Turkey, you know that? Can you say the same about Turkey? How have the Turks treated the Armenians, the Kurds then and now, the Greeks in Izmir in 1923 or in Constantinople during the 1950s ( you must have been told the story backwards) the Pontian Greeks? What about the invasion of Syria now? I skip your knowledge of history. What about logic? All of us are wrong but Turkey is right yes? Turkey is a peace loving nation, inside and outside its borders?
Ideally with a readjustment of the demographics of the island that reinforces Cyprus’ independence within the European Union.
A miracle and prayer .
Better apart rather under
Konstantinos Agelakis
Hehe
You Gay-reeks used to speak Albanian too, one of the oldest language in Europe!
Cities in Greece like Ioannina, Lamia, Igoumenitsa and more still speak Albanian. Where did they learn the language because they didn’t learn it on school….?
This means their ancestors must have spoken Albanian!
Bloody Christmas,Muratağa, Sandallar and Atlılar massacres.so they explain why turkish army is in island excatly.okey let’S talk about future but without turkish force,there can’t be any solution.
well its clear u know nothing about cyprus history let me help u with ur ignorance, Turkish army went there to stop genocidio
kardes bunu bana yazdıysan Agır fail olmuşsun rezil olmadan sil su yorumu bari
Bloody Christmas,Muratağa, Sandallar and Atlılar massacres.so they explain why turkish army is in island excatly.okay,let’s talk about future but without turkish force,there can’t be any solution.
kardes bunu bana yazdıysan Agır fail olmuşsun rezil olmadan sil su yorumu bari
Doğu Bahadır i thing my friend read some history and then talk.. tou know nothing and you are full of shit!
tell me what happened to turkish people who lived in greek land till 19.century
Pan Sol you mean like the role they played in Bosnia? The Dutch army’s UN peace corps whom just left innocent women and children in camps to be slaughtered and rape until no one left alive by Slobodan Milošević’s Serbian troops in 1995? Sure well as an north Cypriot Turk whom served in army like every other Turkish citizen of Turkish Republic of north Cyprus; I prefer my rifle more safer than empty words. Besides if no southerner greek has no bad intention like Butcher Nikos Sampson of 1974 then an Turkish Cypriot army should not make anyone scared and even supported as an ethnic and national right for both sides. %90 of all land troops are young Turkish Cypriots these soldiers don’t come from another country.
Not this proposal. Is is based on a two state solution that will separate people along ethnic lines. One that people will need a permit in order to go to the other side. With their own governments. A joint government will meet only as needed. This is not unity but dichotomisi.
…and then there is the issue of the occupation force..
Greek side should attack now with everything they have. Turkey is weak you can even get back Smyrna and Constantinapoli. Go ahead guys pressure your idiot leftist government who is selling the Cyprus for nothing. Put the Golden Dawn in charge and attack you will get plenty of support from EU.
As a kemalist military officer you are,I understand your passion for freedom.. Propably you’ve been tortured by the islamists that dare to name themselves…”turks”. Greece will put an end to the violence against the turkish people,by islamist turks. Turkey doesn’t deserve an islamist government. The regime change is close. Turkey will be governed by REAL turks soon. EU is already secretly helping Kemalists,the real turks,in order to “take action”. Prepare yourself for the regime change. This time EU and USA will help you,with all of their powers.
εισαι μαλακας ;
Δεν είναι αυτό που φαίνεται. Σκέψου “ανορθόδοξα” και θα καταλάβεις τι λέω και για ποιόν λόγο το λέω. Ποιες φαντάζεσαι να είναι οι αντιδράσεις του, είτε είναι κεμαλικός,είτε ισλαμιστής? Σωστά. Διαίρει και βασίλευε! Επίσης αποδέκτης των παραπάνω είναι και ο ζαβός ευρωπαίος. Τρόπο θέλει Γιώργο.
εισαι μαλακας ;
Greece will guarantee you and due to bankruptcy they will sell whole Cyprus to Turkey again ?
Ok go back to Greece. And after sometime they will sell you and ur ass to Turkey due to bankruptcy ???
Saidkamol Samuel Yunusoff Greek Cypriots will not accept the presence of Turkish troops in Cyprus as a guarantor because those troops invaded Cyprus. I will not enter into a debate on whether Turkey has the most troops in NATO and who has the biggest &@”%, I am just saying that a European army/ force would be ideal as a guarantor
Let the Turkish and Greek side fight another war over the ownership of the island. Whoever wins gets the island fair and square. I think both sides will agree to this solution.
Well,since you are trolling , last time it wasn’t fair was it? Greece did not send an army to Cyprus.Only Turkey did.
You are absolutely right. This time Greece should join the party too.
If the barbarians go home then Cyprus will be free again,
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The eradication of the shadow financial center of North Cyprus. until this is settled the matter will not be solved.
Yorgis Ali Toufexis enen sthn Kypriaki dialekto shmainei ‘δεν ειναι’.
Erdogangster is not the problem, the problem is Turkey’s insatiable expansionism whoever is in power.
Yes thank you for your logic and we should also not forget the dirty foreign funded Greek Junta that invited them by giving them an excuse to invade, rape, loot and hold our island hostage. Cyprus was the sacrifical lamb to bring Greece to its senses from foreign manipulation, we paid the price in BLOOD.
ΔΕΝ ΞΕΧΝΩ
So they would do what racist greeks want? I don’t think so, innocent people shouldn’t escape from the fucking greek barbars.
The island was invaded. Enough said. First the Turks will leave and then we can discuss how and when the peoples will be reunited.
First it is too bad to see how a racism take your control as sons of great greek civilizaion.Be sure in turkey nobody hates you as you hate us (ı’m talking on comments)My friend ı know lausanne of course.Do you know what means 19.century ? I m about Massacres against Turks during the Greek War of Independence.anyway,blaming each other means nothing.My suggest for you,please read this book:Stomena Homata/Dido Sotiriyu
I did not say we are the sons of great Greek civilization. Point 1. It’s Ματωμενα Χωματα. MATOMENA chomata. Which means bloody soil and refers to the life of a Greek who was forced to Serve in amele taburu ( labour battalions) of the Turkish. The book perfectly describes the hardships of the Greek in Turkey the period of WW1. We all read it in school and it’s in Greek. Maybe you have read a distorted version in Turkish otherwise your reference to it does not make sense
Erdogan ftw haha he is a fucking muslim Hitler :D
Δεν είναι αυτό που φαίνεται. Σκέψου “ανορθόδοξα” και θα καταλάβεις τι κάνω.. Ποιες φαντάζεσαι να είναι οι αντιδράσεις του, είτε είναι κεμαλικός,είτε ισλαμιστής? Σωστά. Διαίρει και βασίλευε! Επίσης αποδέκτης των παραπάνω είναι και ο ζαβός ευρωπαίος. Τρόπο θέλει Γιώργο.
Okay I’ll tell you why Turkish Army is in Cyprus.First we need to remember history
Cyprus was under Venetian Control until 1570.İn 1570 Cyprus conquered by Ottoman Empire and stayed under Ottoman rule until 1878, when Ottoman Empire left island to Great Britain.Between this two dates,hundreds of thousands Turks moved to every part of island.İn 1960 Cyprus won its independence from England.After that EOKA started to trying unite the Cyprus with Greece.Have you ever heard EOKA,ENOSİS,AKRİTAS PLAN?
Then started to kill and destroy Turkish populatin.I say that with full of clear evidences.Also you can find a lot of sources about it. (Taşkent,Maratha, Santalaris and Aloda massacres and Bloody Christmas -as many as ı remember now-)
So What does TAF do?Like all of armies,protects its own people.This is simple as it.
(Here is one of reason:During the Bloody Xmas of 1963 in Cyprus, extremist Greek Cypriot EOKA militants made a raid to Turkish Military Doctor Lt. Nihat Ilhan’s house in Nicosia and murdered his wife and 3 children in the bathroom where they took shelter.https://i.ytimg.com/vi/RRaApK9Xrm0/maxresdefault.jpg
About İzmir:What were Greek Army doing at Anatolia?They came here to drink a cup of Turkish coffe? :)
Armenian genocide is a imperialist lie.Yes,bad things happened in 1915 but can’t be named as “genocide”.Here,European Court of Human Rights says that: http://hudoc.echr.coe.int/eng?i=001-158235
About Kurds:WE HAVE NO PROBLEM WİTH KURDS.WE HAVE PROBLEMS WİTH TERRORİST ORGANİZATİON PKK AND İTS İMPERİALİST SUPPORTERS.
You should have seen in Stomena Homata how that imperialist countries used and throw out.My first point was it about the book.
These answers enough I think.Speccialy for a turcophobe.
Rich men fight,poor men die my friend.
Okay I’ll tell you why Turkish Army is in Cyprus.First we need to remember history
Cyprus was under Venetian Control until 1570.İn 1570 Cyprus conquered by Ottoman Empire and stayed under Ottoman rule until 1878, when Ottoman Empire left island to Great Britain.Between this two dates,hundreds of thousands Turks moved to every part of island.İn 1960 Cyprus won its independence from England.After that EOKA started to trying unite the Cyprus with Greece.Have you ever heard EOKA,ENOSİS,AKRİTAS PLAN?
Then started to kill and destroy Turkish populatin.I say that with full of clear evidences.Also you can find a lot of sources about it. (Taşkent,Maratha, Santalaris and Aloda massacres and Bloody Christmas -as many as ı remember now-)
So What does TAF do?Like all of armies,protects its own people.This is simple as it.
(Here is one of reason:During the Bloody Xmas of 1963 in Cyprus, extremist Greek Cypriot EOKA militants made a raid to Turkish Military Doctor Lt. Nihat Ilhan’s house in Nicosia and murdered his wife and 3 children in the bathroom where they took shelter.https://i.ytimg.com/vi/RRaApK9Xrm0/maxresdefault.jpg
About İzmir:What were Greek Army doing at Anatolia?They came here to drink a cup of Turkish coffe? :)
Armenian genocide is a imperialist lie.Yes,bad things happened in 1915 but can’t be named as “genocide”.Here,European Court of Human Rights says that: http://hudoc.echr.coe.int/eng?i=001-158235
About Kurds:WE HAVE NO PROBLEM WİTH KURDS.WE HAVE PROBLEMS WİTH TERRORİST ORGANİZATİON PKK AND İTS İMPERİALİST SUPPORTERS.
You should have seen in Stomena Homata how that imperialist countries used Greece and throw out.
These answers enough I think.Speccialy for turcophobes.
Rich men fight,poor men die my friends.
Okay I’ll tell you why Turkish Army is in Cyprus.First we need to remember history
Cyprus was under Venetian Control until 1570.İn 1570 Cyprus conquered by Ottoman Empire and stayed under Ottoman rule until 1878, when Ottoman Empire left island to Great Britain.Between this two dates,hundreds of thousands Turks moved to every part of island.İn 1960 Cyprus won its independence from England.After that EOKA started to trying unite the Cyprus with Greece.Have you ever heard EOKA,ENOSİS,AKRİTAS PLAN?
Then started to kill and destroy Turkish populatin.I say that with full of clear evidences.Also you can find a lot of sources about it. (Taşkent,Maratha, Santalaris and Aloda massacres and Bloody Christmas -as many as ı remember now-)
So What does TAF do?Like all of armies,protects its own people.This is simple as it.
(Here is one of reason:During the Bloody Xmas of 1963 in Cyprus, extremist Greek Cypriot EOKA militants made a raid to Turkish Military Doctor Lt. Nihat Ilhan’s house in Nicosia and murdered his wife and 3 children in the bathroom where they took shelter.https://i.ytimg.com/vi/RRaApK9Xrm0/maxresdefault.jpg
About İzmir:What were Greek Army doing at Anatolia?They came here to drink a cup of Turkish coffe? :)
Armenian genocide is a imperialist lie.Yes,bad things happened in 1915 but can’t be named as “genocide”.Here,European Court of Human Rights says that: http://hudoc.echr.coe.int/eng?i=001-158235
About Kurds:WE HAVE NO PROBLEM WİTH KURDS.WE HAVE PROBLEMS WİTH TERRORİST ORGANİZATİON PKK AND İTS İMPERİALİST SUPPORTERS.
You should have seen in Stomena Homata how that imperialist countries used Greece and throw out.
These answers enough I think.Speccialy for turcophobes.
Rich men fight,poor men die my friends.
So let’s see: A coup happens in Cyprus where approx. 82% of its citizens are Greeks and 18% Turkish. Turkey evokes the London-Zurich Agreement according to which any of the three guarantor powers (Greece, UK, Turkey) can intervene to restore the balance on the island. However, Turkey decides to invade (yes, even for a second time after the first invasion some days before) and literally occupy the Northern part of Cyprus.
According to the same London-Zurich Agreement, nonetheless, Turkey should have left immediately after the balance and ”peace” on the island was restored (may I say through rapes, mass murders/executions, bombings etc). But what does Turkey do instead? Settle its army in Northern Cyprus, bring thousands and thousands of mainland Turks to change the demographics of the island and illegally occupy the Northern part as a result.
Today we talk about giving that same minority of 18% control and possession of a significant amount of the land (compared to the Turkish population), the Turks demand to lead and preside over the island and still persist in having ”guarantors”.
I will only ask one thing: Since when do minorities own the land they live in, create their own mini-state and become presidents of the country they are in, provided for in the constitution, on a rotation basis??
A solution seems to be far from becoming a reality and this is due to Turkey’s interests on the island (Occupied N. Cyprus is Turkey’s pawn). Turkey has already connected a water grid from mainland Turkey to N. Cyprus and the next step is they demand the natural resources of Cyprus and their transportation through…Turkey. The solution Turkey demands is the solution from which it will be the only one benefiting out of it. Then just take a look at Erdogan and his actions and voila! You got your answer.
Let’s be honest. Federation in Cyprus is an old Anglo-Turkish fraud against the whole Cyprus republic. Nowadays federal states should be better applied in Turkey, not in Cyprus as Cyprus is an equal EU member state, while Turkey is the verge of dissolution as a result of their long-term failure to democratize the country.
Yigit gurel about the so called “bathroom massacre “a Turkish reporter the one how actually to the fotos back then had told that the military doctor had a “amok” 2 or 3 days later he was asked to change his statement blaming “eoka” also don’t forget that the original Cypriot army and police and state in general collapsed after Turkish Cypriots started to disobey orders which led in riots in Nicosia the truth is that makarios asked for help. FRom Greece but the Greek chief of staff told him that he couldn’t do anything so eventually the sampson’s group started to forcing it’s way into Nicosia. For me makarios althow is not to be blamed for the violence -at least he tried to create a just system that was based on the” %” of the population he is to be blamed for not doing anything about sampson also i will have to say don’t be so naive Turkey did in 1974 the dirty work for the American president- the Americans and the British didn’t want a “red priest “in head of the ” unsinkable aircraft carrier ” so they but in action the green line scenario how you think my friend the Turkish choppers managed to reach the island? ?you know They had to refuel and you probably know that they didn’t that on the deck of HMS “hermes” you probably also know that the Turkish air force used us and British pilots- especially after “attila 2” there are reports from national guard units that say that some of the arrested pilots was black and couldn’t talk Turkish! !!so do be so naive or at least don’t play been so naive ??
And for gods sake the book is called Ματωμένα χώματα ( bloody soil/ land ) matomena homata
Ok, so we have our answer. What will it take to unify Cyprus? Any of the following; Devine intervention, lobotomisation of everyone who is to live there so they will forget their prejudices towards one another, the evacuation of the island or the genocide of one side or the other. Great stuff. So much hatred and people wonder why nobody wants to scrap their armed forces . . . . . .
Erinc Erdem hypocrisy the greatest bitch of all .if you been in a army one fucking day you KNOW that NAPALM is a INTERNATIONALLY BANNED WEAPON am I right? So a have a simple question: how used to bombard the island with this horrible staff throughout the 60’s?common its easy!
The Turks will need to accept that they are a minority that only turned up in the Middle Ages while the Greeks have been there since most ancient of times. The Turks will need to understand democracy and accept the will of the majority, even if this means unification with Greece.
BTW, the Greeks in Cyprus (the ancient Arcadians) assimilated the pre-existing populations of the island: Levantine, Jewish etc. As soon as the Turks turned up that’s when the trouble and discord started. The Turks will need to reflect on their own history and what they have brought to the area in terms of cultural contribution.
So in other words, no comprimise, no safe assurances that minorities will be safe and it’s all the “other guys” fault. I’m sure nobody could object to such rational and fair minded grounds for peace, print the documents up I bet Turkey will beg to sign it! . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .
Duncan, can you explain to us what and who threaten Turkish Cypriots? Any Greeks that cross the line are being shot. So it is actually the minority that is hostile and violent towards the majority. Sounds like Greeks need protection form Turks.
Any illegal settlers who came to the island after the invasion by Turkey should be made to leave the island.
The only solution is for Cyprus to become a unified independent country, from my limited experience both Greek & Turkish cypriots are incredibly decent people & would have no difficulty living together if only left to their own Devises.
my opinion revolves around God our creator who made us all whether Greek or Turk at the end of the day its fact that we are his creation because we are very dear to him . and i believe that both sides are not paying attention and listening and acting on what GOD is saying . its about time that people from both sides began to examine them selves and and pray to God to take away all the Devilish
things which stand in the way, of development . do you know if the Greeks and turks put their heads together they can become very successful on that small island oof cyprus ,please forgive everybody, for their mistakes and move on:
its not healthy to be stagnated all these bi-gone years ,and to deprive all the people on the island of cyprus whether Turkish Greek Maronite etc . its all the peoples provocative to join up and stand together humbley and willingly and make the biggest protest in history that the goverments should keep out of it cause they mislead the people from trying to bring reconciliation to the island
first comes reconciliation with God,and then man , i pray for everybody whether
Turk or Greek etc , GOD has placed us all here to find solution, amongst us to be able to live together in Gods peace and Harmony GODBLESS YOU ALL
are trying to control peoples minds, making out
Cyprus is an EU member and hence Cyprus is EU territory. So the question is how long will a union that pushes for sanctions and boycotts for conflicts outside Europe (eg. against Israel and Russia) will tolerate the illegal military occupation of northern Cyprus?
Well said.
Feel like the EU is boycotting Israel? I don’t.
Domien Van Dijck My point is that as long as the EU has EU territory under illegal occupation (Cyprus) or under threat (Aegean) it should concentrate countering Turkey and not bother itself with Israel, Russia etc
Northern Cyprus is a sovereign state, so therefore a illegal occupation is perhaps misplaced by your understanding/desires.
A “sovereign state” created by a UN recognised invasion. This state is recognised by no other state except the state whose troops carried out the invasion.
EU accepted Cyprus in its current condition, there wasn’t an invasion after their EU membership. Trying to force your understanding of a solution with Turkey is no different than trying to invade a Turkish city. Won’t happen, consequences will be identical if an attempt is made. Have to change your perspective.
The withdrawal of the Turkish army that occupies illegally the55%of the island since 1974.
Not 55, 37
It’s simple. It will take the reversal of the turkish military invasion perpetrated in 1974 and occupation of 37% of the island and also it will take allowing the 17% turkish cypriots (who are overrun by settlers sent by Turkey so as to change demographically the island – which is a war crime) to take decisions with the greek cypriots which are for the benefit of cypriots and not of Turkey. Turkey is in Cyprus to further its expansionist vision of the Ottoman empire and exploiting Cyprus economically and strategically. The myths it weaves about protecting the turkish cypriots and the peace are just that. MYTHS, it uses every time it attacks it’s neighbours. Turkey wants to annex the whole of Cyprus to Turkey. That is their ultimate plan. (SEE NIHAT ERIM’S PLAN OF 1956.) AND WE KNOW IT.
What was wrong with UN Annan plan back in 2004?
They want the turkish army to remain which will led to the occupation of whole cyprus by the turks
Ozan, the turkish “guarantees” was wrong and the impression Turkey has it can invade every time it organises a provocation on the island between us. That was a guarantee NOT OF PEACEFUL COEXISTENCE BUT OF CONTINUING TROUBLES. Turkey wants to add Cyprus to Turkey. That is their ultimate plan. AND WE KNOW IT
everything it depends on what kind of State we wish for Cyprus.
If the Cypriots accept the Turkish proposals in order to allow the unification of Cyprus then we talk about a puppet State of Turkey which will control the Cypriot government using the TurkCypriots.
The Turkish proposals are
-to remain a big part of the Turkish Army in the island state
-Turkey will be a Guarantor Power of the Cypriot State
-Every 6months a TurkCypriot will be the President of Cyprus, probably without elections since the TurkCypriots are the 18% of Cyprus population. (80% the GreekCypriots)
-The TurkCypriots will have a veto in every decision of Cyprus.
-only a small part of the 200.000 Cypriot refugees will return to their houses
– the 100.000 Turk Anatolian settlers will have the same rights as the European citizens
This would not be a EUROPEAN, NORMAL and INDEPENDENT State as the Cypriots wish since it is more than obvious that it will fail as a State and it will be a vassal State of Turkey which will use the island state as her ambassador in Brussels using the Cypriot veto.
Adrian
Remove kebab?
Aha ha ha… that’s the most silly question ever done!
Airborne invasion and an amphibious assault + simultaneous strikes with armoured units in Eastern Thrace (for diversion). Oh yes, and a naval blockade on turkey.
I was in Cyprus last summer for the first time. I went both sides and I saw how much different they are!
Honestly I think it is very difficult to predict to a united country. The Turkish side has nothing similar to the Greek one. Also religion is a hard step.
If you go to Famagosta you can easily understand it: the ghost town near there is something shocking!!
To get the Turkish army and the illegal Turkish settlers out of Cyprus and turkey should never be given the right to guarantee Cyprus’ peace again as turkey has no respect for human rights or international law. Furthermore, the Greek refugees should be allowed to go back to their homes which are occupied by the illegal Turkish settlers and the Turkish army. The Greek Cypriot population is 80% and turkey has been trying to change this which is a demographic crime along with the rest of Turkish crimes. The political rights of the Turkish Cypriots should be settled based on the EU laws and regulations and not based on the violations demanded by turkey which is an Islamic dictatorship!
When Turkey (Islam) takes over the EU.
And UK. You think you sit pretty. Or are you too under the usual stupid British impression Britain has a special relationship with Turkey ☺️☺️
Pantelis Papantoniou We are British so have no need of ‘special relationships’ with anyone, which is why we are leaving your pointless EU. :)
Illusions illusions illusions
Pantelis Papantoniou I’m sorry but coming from an EU fanatic that’s just funny lol
Redirecting the argument gets you nowhere. No man is an island. Everybobody needs somebody. That was my point. Never mind lets keep it funny
Pantelis Papantoniou You EU fanatics can’t even manage a special relationship with the people in the EU so what are you talking about ? ‘Redirecting’ ? if you say so comrade, if you say so. lol
Don’t be paranoid
Turkey is hardly the so factor in the Islamisation of Europe
That said, it’ll take compromise from the occupied territory to renounce its colonial ties with the Turkish mainland
Kianglek Tan We are leaving the pointless EU so have little interest in what happens over there but please remember there would be millions of more migrants entering the EU if it wasn’t for Turkey so to occupy it all they have to do is let them though. Brussels should not be ‘paranoid’, they should be very afraid of what is heading their way.
Is one of the reasons that NATO should end and replaced by an EU only army. With an EU army, Turkey will have not influence to negociate the ocupied cyprus and EU could press turkey to abandon it
Who can trust the Turks today? As long as the current dictator and his gang of mafiosi are in place I wouldn’t.
Answer: Schengen
if Europe ask Turkey to redraw army and settlets from Cyprus, there is no problem in Cyprus
A miracle???
If E.U play double role as now, Cyprus and civilization on midle east will disappear
OK folks… let me say this..
all you folks are talking about is in the far past and it will definitely NOT help to come up with a solution.
each side did something wrong and each side is guilty in a way of what has happened in the past.
in my option the only way to get Cyprus United is…
1st. Turkeys military has to leave Cyprus
2nd. English Military has to leave Cyprus
3rd. Any Greek military has to leave Cyprus
4th. Cyprus has to create a their military force ONLY with Greek and Turkish Cypriots with the help of the international community
5th. Turkey has NO right to interact politically in Cyprus
6th. Greece has NO right to interact politically in Cyprus
7th. England has NO right to interact politically in Cyprus
8th. STOP ACCUSING EACH OTHER THIS WILL NOT HELP AT ALL
9th. return what can be returned to its real owners or pay them compensation of. today’s value and start rebuilding what can be rebuild in order to have a power full Cyprus and economy without Turkey – Greece or England because Cyprus is full of potential BUT this is only possible if both communities pull on one string.
10th. ask the people of Cyprus what most of them want for the future
11th. there are always people who only see dark black but these people should have no saying
12th. Cyprus could be a modern country just like Monaco if we all work together
13th. no one needs to forget BUT forgive on each other on what happen in the past because it wasn’t the people who did what happened it was as usual the politicians who created this problem…!!!
14th. start trusting each other because without trust no one can create a future!!!
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and 20th anyone can fill in what ever they want… 🤔
War?
A key part of Europe is occupied via islamic military invassion and you still talking, talking and accepting for 45 years…. No balls, no trust, nothing!
The departure of the turkish troops and of the settlers….and let them talk between themselves without outside interference. The return of all properties belonging to all Cypriots. ..of both communities.The federation of the island in 2 entities but allowing any Cypriot to choose where he wants to settle.
ysilit granicy evropeiskogo sojuza nemedlenno syltan nesprosta napal na kyrdov ,, SAS est SAS
ps Hyngarija toze i vse granici kto konta4it s Syltanom Osmanskoi imperii hrani vas bog
Ps nadejus nenado vspominat istoriju dosli do Venni i tyt Litovsko -polskie voiska ,,, kstati koroli pohoroneni v Vilne
turkey invade cyprus and NATO stay watching. another exemple that nato works against europeans sinc allways
First the Turkish troops must withdraw from the island… then let the Turkish and Greek Cypriots communities talk to each other and solve it, under the supervision of UN and EU, not by Turkey, Greece and Britain. They are bringing on the table their own political interests and complicate things. Cyprus is an EU member state now, An EU territory. Thus the EU should step up and help the two communities.
Remove occupational turkish troops and free Cyprus will find its course
Saudi Green 1320 Cyprus Forever
Hi everyone. Reading these debates is very interesting for me. I have a uni project in which I need to make a presentation regarding the future of Cyprus as a tourism destination. Does anyone have any thoughts of what could increase the levels of tourism? Make the future brighter for Cyprus? Do you think the division of the Greek and Turkish Cypriots has an effect on Cyprus’ tourism? I am a tourism student, although history plays quite a big part in this module. It would be very interesting to hear your ideas. Thank you!
It’s very simple both sides of Turkish politics now want to invade Greece and take 18 islands in the Aegean. So they will also attack Southern Cyprus. That’s where it’s at it’s war soon.
I totally disagree with the Greek banter and propaganda being advance on this forum.
The main body of support from the Greek commentators on this forum is in support of the Greek position which stems form the Greek national movement and all that underpins that ideology. The dichotomy in talking of two separate identities is a telling sign which clearly reveals their conscience and approach to the situation on the ground.
Nicolas Panayiotou – There is talk on Turkish invasion and resolve found on European democratic rules
Andreas Kallis – There is talk of admission from Dentash and supporting material from Sener Levent’s. ( I’ve viewed the video referred to and I see no such admission, I’d welcome Andreas point the audience to the admission he referred to and to state how that ties into the subject of the article. Regarding Sener Levent , there is nothing authoritative regarding Mr Levent, he is not qualified as a historian and his comments ate opinion which remain unsupported unreferenced and unsubstantiated. Sener levent is a left wing Marxist who is a supporter of the Pro Greek nationalist ideology. He is also an enemy of the state of the TRNC and should be dealt with accordingly.
Without doubt the treatment of the Turkish Cypriots is inhumane and inexcusable. The ruling class and authority on Cyprus has been the Turks . Historically, the Greeks have had no place in that role. Under the covert conduct of the British first annexing the Island then promoting a Greek cause by way of miss-appropriating Turkish land and deeds, by causing a Turkish exodus, in promoting a Greek presence, by providing and giving a Greek voice, by actively campaigning the Greek interest through the British Parliament Lobby groups and through out Europe and all the time in silencing the Turkish voice throughout this time dating back to before the eruption of conflict till the present day.
The European Union accepted one part of a war torn island into its membership breaching its own mandate. I think this is sufficient in demonstrating the lack of democracy in favor of a partisan position. The Turkish Cypriots have no place in any organization that is absent of Turkey.
The Cyprus conflict is contextualized by the Greek national cause Enosis which stems from the Greek national ideology of Maglia with expansionism as its core principal . That agenda remains as live today as it was then.
The human atrocities committed against the Turkish Cypriots remains unaccounted . Those Greeks responsible for war crimes have been allow to walk away for this and instead the European hold turkey to account for displacement of Greeks refugees. How dumb how bias how simply revealing of the national Greek agenda.
What democracy actively seeks to eradicate a people and their history except the Europeans in their support of the Greek campaign on Cyprus. This is an ethic cleansing regime being endorsed by the Europeans and western allies in their active foreign policies supporting the Greeks.
The Cyprus conflict stems from the Greek madness of Enosis and has been actively supported by their brethren allies. It should be realised, the TRNC does not recognise the south or its administration.
I HONESTLY AM PISSED idk how people can t get this cyprus belongs to cyprus not to turkey nor greece we don t need them to be guarantor countries we all know that there was a war in this country but think about ITTT the war happened because greeks wanted to connect with greece or idk turkish people wanted to connect with turkey BUT can t y all just see everything happened because of these countries we DON T NEED THEM we are literally at the best position geography vise but everyone is still being obstinate both sides LITERALLY do the same things and eat the same things we are all equal we are all people no one is better than each other.. I JUST WANNA KNOW why is everyone literally brain washed by the politicians, if i was a politician i would have literally solved this proplem ages ago, don t let the presidents to brain wash you don t be racist towards each other even though a lot of things happened we are still here together I honestly think that we should reunify no matter what happened and we should forget the past together for a better and a more safer cyprus, and also I am pretty sure that non of us are like actual greek people or actual turkish people, we are cypriot and we are different we just talk with their languages thats it, and nowww because cyprus is in Eu well.. at least the half of it I think that we can grow we don t need turkey or greece like even turkey is not in Eu and we are and we can be better than any other country if we put our heads together and work.. I know that no one will see this comment however I hope that god will let everyone know about this one day so this problem can be solved.