“Here’s the problem with NATO: it’s obsolete,” candidate Donald Trump explained during the U.S. election campaign. He went on to suggest that allies that were “ripping off” the United States by failing to make a sufficient contribution to defence spending “would have to get out … And if it breaks up NATO, it breaks up NATO.” He cast doubt on Washington’s commitment to the Alliance’s key mutual defence guarantee, saying his administration might choose which allies to defend depending on whether they “fulfilled their obligations to us.”
Since Trump won the election, U.S. and Alliance officials have sought to allay allies’ fears about the potential impact of his presidency on NATO. After a phone call between President-elect Trump and NATO Secretary-General Jens Stoltenberg, an Alliance statement insisted both men agreed on the “enduring importance” of NATO. US diplomats and military officers have been mobilized to explain that what was said on the campaign trail does not reflect future Trump administration policy; that US institutions are stronger than any individual; and there’ll be no fundamental change in the commitment to NATO.
So, which Trump will be running the administration: the candidate who admires Russian President Vladimir Putin and thinks NATO’s had its day? Or the President-elect who wants a stronger alliance?
His nominations haven’t exactly made the waters any less muddy. Trump’s choice for Defense Secretary, Gen. Jim Mattis, is a former NATO commander who has been outspoken on the threat posed by Moscow. His nominee for Secretary of State, Rex Tillerson, is reportedly a buddy of Putin’s who, as CEO of Exxon Mobil, spend years doing oil deals with the Russians. “Tillerson would sell out NATO for Sakhalin oil and his pal, Vlad,” tweeted Mark Salter, a former chief of staff for Republican Senator John McCain, after the oil man’s nomination.
We interviewed Jaromír Štetina, MEP with the centre-right European People’s Party (EPP) group and Vice-Chair of the Subcommittee on Security and Defence and member of the Foreign Affairs Committee. What did he expect from the Trump presidency?
I do not know and I’m afraid that Mr. President-elect Trump doesn’t know either. But I do have trust in the American democratic system, its checks and balances, as well as the ability to tackle issues effectively.
For another perspective, we also spoke to Anna Fotyga, MEP with the European Conservatives and Reformists Group (ECR), member (and former Chair) of the Subcommittee on Security and Defence, and a member of the Foreign Affairs Committee. What would she say?
Will the Trump presidency put NATO at risk? Or were his campaign statements just bluster to push allies into spending more on defence? Should European allies feel threatened by the prospect of the new administration’s relationship with Russia? Let us know your thoughts and comments in the form below, and we’ll take them to policymakers and experts for their reactions!
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Hopefully not pushing for war with Russia like we have seen the past year.
more like…almost last 70 years :D
Matej Zaggy Zagorc Nobody has ever been at war with Russia because untill 1998 it was the Soviet Union
That’s just arguing semantics. And wrong at that, because before the Soviet Union (and SFSR) there was the Russian republic, and before that the Russian empire, and before that the Russian tsardom etc.
The end, hope NATO’ll collapse when Americans won’t deceide and pay for all!!
I am sure you would talk very differently if let’s say North Korea had developed a more advanced ballistic missiles. You cheap cheap sack of poo.
France has got deterent power, where’s your problem scumbag?
Deterrents only work against rational people. If you know anything about North Korean politics then you’d know rational doesn’t describe their way of doing things. But the problem is far worse than you seem to think. NATO doesn’t just deter attack from outside of NATO, it also stops members from using hostile threats between one another during diplomatic talks. This is a key component to the comparative peace that has existed in Europe these last few decades. Take away the main reason to get along with your neighbour countries and things may regress. The EU army proposal will not work as an alternative because it doesn’t allow for non EU nations to be included in the military cooperation. Turkey for instance is not exactly getting along with the EU right now, and without NATO as a deterrent Turkey may well enable or even support aggressive military actions against the EU. Countries that are part of NATO but not part of the EU and vice versa currently have the overlap adding to their list of allies, this would disappear. Trust me when I say no NATO would be a terrible thing for the peace and harmony Europe has been benefiting from.
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I would like to propose the following question –
What do we want Trump’s residency to positively mean to NATO?
Let us tell him what he needs to do.
I would like to propose the following question –
What do we want Trump’s residency to positively mean to NATO?
I want to tell him what he needs to do. And what he should not do.
I do not care what damage he thinks he is going to do.
It will mean that those who do not pay their way should not benefit from the security NATO brings – sounds fair to me…..unfortunately the EU is founded on the principal of the few subsidising the many so it will no doubt throw yet another childish tantrum and pretend the EU can form its own army….
…..and that’s a joke in itself, apart from the incompetence of the EU to be trusted with something as dangerous as an army just exactly where are the forces going to come from?…. certainly not from the UK and certainly not from countries with conscription… so between them the EU probably couldn’t even muster up a force big enough to defend itself from Taiwan
Better diplomacy (less war, more peace), EU might finally pay its 2% (another guarantee for peace) and more independence for EU and EU countries in their national/foreign policies as Trump is more focused on in-US rather than sticking US nose all around the world and dragging us with them into all that mess they started.
Putin and Trump will give away Europe between them and then grab Europe by the pxxxy.
The same Putin did in Ukraine the same he did in Georgia the same he ll do everywhere he wants.
Ivan Marsh Whately Putin and Trump don;t own Europe so he Trump can Grab Putin;s wife by the Pxxxy
A bit like the Americans, the world’s police who’s bringing peace and democracy!
@Rémi Martin
IMHO France has been the greatest negative influence on the free world since its barbaric revolution – it’s bizarre and corruption-laden legal system + perverse judiciary + barbaric militarised police all of which France passed on to its colonies and indirectly to Latin America through cultural affinity has contributed to ALL Latin nations being more corrupt say than Germanic or Anglosphere or Scandinavian nations (please see 2015 Corruption Perceptions Index 2015).
Any Anglosphere nation or Germanic nation or Scandinavian nation would be a far better policeman/leader than hyper-corrupt France.
I hope it won,t be Bonanza…
Help and support us. We are under terrorist attack in Turkey. Help us in raising awareness.
HOPE IT WILL MEAN UNFUNDING AND GOOD RIDDANCE AND GET THEM ALL OUT OF OUR COUNTRY
What are you talking (OR SHOULD THAT BE SHOUTING) about? Unfunding? Who are them?
Neokapitalizam dokaz da pare mogu sve chak da budes i Predsednik USA
Hülye! 😁
It will mean that NATO members will keep doing what they are told.
@Michael John James Brown
Like what?
Pay 2% of GDP towards their [NATO] defence contributions?
The fact is nobody knows. Not even sure Trump knows himself what he’s going to do. I do agree that countries should be meeting or exceeding their obligations with regards to international treaties. But I don’t exactly think Trumps ever changing message is helping to stabilise the situation and what’s more is his threats of not supporting allies if they don’t meet their spending targets is a dangerous message to send to potential enemies.
May be NATO will be back as what it was meant to be : a DEFENSIVE organization.
Don’t see many NATO initiated offensives here?
http://www.nato.int/cps/en/natohq/topics_52060.htm
Spero vivamente che ponga fine all’Europa e all’euro
It`s a sensible principle: you pay and are protected, if you do not, you stay alone in the cold snow.
Security and peace ain’t free, never was. With Trump or without Trump half of Europe is taking it for granted for a long time.
the only point of NATO is to give America’s illegal wars some kind of ‘legitimacy’ (directly or in directly). If a Mil alliance is needed, it should be done by the EU not USA led NATO.
I trust in changing Mr. TRUMP!
P E A C E
Hopefully a down sizing
Hopefully Europe increase His Power…Europe must have more military power. Europe must not be a colony of the US but should and can have, if the Europeans will want, a greater military power of Russia and USA..Europeans in the EU are more than 500 milions of People …
@Gioacchino Giorgio Nastasi
Yes right!
+500 million people – half of which come from basketcase countries!
So, you want the EU to supplant the USA and Russia as top aggressive superpower? I hope you never get your wish, luckily Europe is too busy trying to outdo the rest of Europe for that to happen anytime soon.
Buenas Noches Amigo!!!!💕
Is Very True!!! 💕
Eeuu crecerá y será la potencia mas fuerte del Mundo ,y la OTAN se reforzará :)
Why should he?
Hope US will stop to encourage EU like vassals to WWIII, as it is proposed now undercover by elites and with big silence in the west media. This split of the continent is a non sense and contrary to the peace EU objectives. Peace should be on the top of EU and therefore NATO agenda as it was before the market expansionism toward Ukraine, which indeed has been also expanded to debt, conflicts and corruptions. Now we should go back to our EU peace objectives, it is still time and stop the nuclear race which is happening now between US and Russia, but initiated by the Obama administration, stopping all on going discussions on that subject taking place in particular for East Europe i.e our place where we live all in EU. https://dninews.com/article/us-sends-3600-tanks-against-russia-massive-nato-deployment-underway
Erm, wtf are you talking about? The EU has been expanding since it’s inception. The west media are far from quiet about the ww3 potential resulting in hostile talk and action between Russia and nato states. Obama has not initiated any nuclear expansion, that was Putin, Kim jong un, Iran and now Trump that have increased nuclear weaponry and/or are talking about doing so. “let it be an arms race” I believe was what the president elect tweeted. Yes nato are sending more troops to their eastern territories, but it is standard practice to bolster the defences of a border that is less peaceable, and the increase doesn’t even equal that shown by Russia, not even percentage wise does it equal it. If Putin were to reduce his aggressive stance nato would be able to safely lower their troop deployments again.
Pokoli torony
End NATO.
It might mean that Poland will be able to buy a lot of cheap Leopard tanks so that Germany can maintain it’s buffer zone…..look forward to many friendly overtures from Germany to Poland.
Hopefully, he wont provocate Russia and make our countries as a playground as it was planned by Clinton. George Soros and as it happened in Ukrain due to George Soros “democracy” export.
I am pro EU, anti NATO. I hope NATO ceases to exist or the USA leaves it.(Eurofederalist here)
Estos son los nuevos cabestros o becerros de oro a los cuales muchos adoran. Ninguno sirve para nada y menos con los cuernos retorcidos como el Trump ese. Se está erigiendo en un Dios y todos sus votantes son sus adoradores de esa nueva ‘ley’ del Dios dinero. Se les está reventando en su propia cara todo ese engaño masivo que supone su idolatría actual y que se representa en forma de torre. Esa torre desaparecerá cual torre de Babel y se los llevará a todos en su propia destrucción.
it’s obsolet, the Putin Troll
Besides speculating & whipping up emotions, let’s wait & see which spiderwebs the new US administration will clean up. A global renewal & rethink is appreciated.
More important for Europe are the repercussions from actual events- like Brexit, the ominous weakness of a shrinking or even collapsing EU (self inflicted). Therefore, there should never be a need or desire for an “EU army”- as the Dublin accord chaos so clearly demonstrated.
Germany, as one of the stronger but reluctant military force in Europe is better taken care of inside Nato, than in a German dominated EU army led by a questionable EU bureaucrat. I do not want see even a chance of a repeat of another (“welcome home”) ANSCHLUSS on an overambitious & expanding political & militant EU.
The US, Canada & Britain will ensure that Nato will remain strong- even if a few weak links choose to exit.
I think Donald Trump sees NATO more from a business point of view, rather than political. For him it is fair and square – pay your membership fee to benefit from the club and also there should be a clear and defined purpose of this organisation which is relevant to the reality in 21st century, not the 1940s. At the moment he does not see any of those things present, so NATO is obsolete. I think Trump will insist on either bringing NATO up-to-date and excluding countries who don’t pay their full membership, or propose to dissolve the organisation. In my opinion, it has done more wrong than good anyway – fearmongering, warmongering, illegal invasions of sovereign countries, killing of millions of innocent people, destruction and destabilisation… Deterrent of aggression? Who is to deter NATO from its own aggression towards non-members? At present NATO is more a deterrent to peace than its guarantor. There can always be a co-operation and military agreements between different countries in case of an aggression. What is the point of having an outdated military alliance and waste a whole 2% of GDP for it? Change is needed and Trump might just start the process…
A President Trump “will be” the NATO and he want to prepare the NATO for the future (25 Years after Cold War), he said. But now, it seems that Obama starts this days unfortunately “Cold War II” :(
Hopefully we will be shot of it. Gone with a clear definition of what the word DEFENCE means. Obama and his heavy lady intensely dislike the UK, Europe and the civilisation they do not understand or feel part of. So, the aim is to leave Trump with a mess bigger than they already created. The stench of Clinton and partner smells to high heaven in all of this. Lets hope Trump has the courage of his convictions.
He should bring out the fake news lies, fix the Clinton Foundation rip off fraud racket and make sure those in charge go to jail. This is the first step back to restoring faith in our system.
I can’t imagine how anything can be worse for NATO than Turkey remaining a member…
Hopefully it will stop war. NATO is ammasing troops on Russian borders, its dangerous. People dont want war with Russia. People want peace
They could stop invadindo sovereign countries for a start.
I think you should sit for a minute and just ask yourself with an open mind why is happenning such a costly an risky thing…
Who should stop invading sovereign countries, the USA? / Quién debe dejar de invadir países soberanos, los EE.UU.?
Everyone
Russia is Europe! A EU with Russia would be the best for the survival of the europeans! For once we should stop being stupid goys and unite with all our brothers.
Yeah, pax Crimea for everyone :-)
Eu is peace, they said…
Crimea was civil war, not invasion
Europe should get their own army. Nato is not obsolete but it sure as hell should be. Status quo is back and everyone is pointing missiles at everyone. That is no policy to have. Europe can be peaceful and we should unite our armies like its done in the federative states. Protecting the borders should be number one priority NOT intervention or pointing weapons at someone.
Problem: EU is NOT a sovereign political union. No EU Army. And it will never be.
A nice group of people. https://www.facebook.com/andersfoghrasmussen/posts/10154673445127488
George Dimopoulos Eleni Panagakou as elpisoume oti tha einai katastrofiki i presidency
Good riddance to NATO. The US should keep their own army and the EU countries should have their own joint army independent of the US agendas. And Turkey should be in neither. Invading Cyprus whilst a member of NATO and keeping one third of the Island under occupation. And Erdogan now stating Turkey will ‘never leave’ EU member country Cyprus and wants a rotating presidency in an EU country based on ethnicity. As if any other EU country would enforce rotating presidencies based on all ethnicities living in their country.
Who should stop invading sovereign countries, the USA? / Quién debe dejar de invadir países soberanos, los EE.UU.?
Τhat, -as a lot of othetr issues- remains to be seen!
Τhat, -as a lot of othetr issues- remains to be seen!
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The only thing that will happen is EU countries will start paying their fair share of the cost as they know an EU army will be no match for Russia.
Russia is Europe! A EU with Russia would be the best for the survival of the europeans! For once we should stop being stupid goys and unite with all our brothers.
Ainhoa Lizar .
Just like Turkey, Azerbaijan & Kazakhstan are your ‘brothers’ ?
For the first time ever i agree with Ivan Burrows. Being european is not geography. It’s a state of mind that Putin lacks. We have more in common with the japanese than with Rússia. At least until Putin dies or is removed from power in a bloodied coup. We all know he’s not gonna leave by his own feet.
Pedro Castro Not agree, my land have certainly more common points with Russia by the history, as with Japan!
Hopefully he will be its end!
When Nato disapear, we will be facing World War III.
Nato is not absolete.
What Trump should be saying is “Nato is obsolete once UN has its own army and fully funcional way of blocking any country to enter in war with another nation”.
But he dosent.
He is mining the world peace and existence, as we know, by stating Nato + Un are a problem maker
It was created before the Warsaw’s Pact, USSR doesn’t exist since 1991, there’s no reason to be for it!
Do you really think Russia, will not attempt to anex another land ? The name of oponents may have changed,
However the intentions remain,and the actions have reborned this century.
After creating a new and updated militar alliance, disolve nato, until then is unwised to strip europe of one capable army.
WW3 is coming soon.. All international organizations ar starting to collaps
coming soon in Europe with Nato , Russia doesn’t assault others countries , it’s only OTAN and barrack hussein obama and probably money of rotschild … as usually since many years !!!
Francoise Moureaux Noooo, Russia hasn’t assaulted Ukraine quite recently. And it is not meddling is other countreis!
Ainhoa Lizar .
Just like Turkey, Azerbaijan & Kazakhstan are your ‘brothers’ ?
For the first time ever i agree with Ivan Burrows. Being european is not geography. It’s a state of mind that Putin lacks. We have more in common with the japanese than with Rússia. At least until Putin dies or is removed from power in a bloodied coup. We all know he’s not gonna leave by his own feet.
Putin elected Trump in order to end NATO
Sources???
He means he was ignored by the huge NATO economic and financial interests!
NATO is a waste of time it fuels division and backs illegal wars the US pushes dragging Europe into Washington’s bloody mess
Totally agree, it was created before the Warsaw’s Pact, USSR doesn’t exist since 1991, there’s no reason to be for it!
A big BIG headache :)
Here’s something that could be interesting about Trump and NATO.
http://cei.iscte-iul.pt/blog/trumps-foreign-policy-choices-what-role-for-nato/
Ivan let me remind you that Soviet Russia was the only thing standing between you and the Nazi Germany in the ww2. Brits and Americans killed around 500k throughout the war while the soviets killed over 2mil. Wouldn’t you want them to be an ally to some extent instead of an enemy?
Trump is absolutly rigtht in that one…
NATO is absolutly obsolete, it was created to fight back the monster Warsov Pact and USSR.
With the killing of the monster, all generals suckers and staff are in trouble to show any kind of work
This is very naive, I’m sorry to say.
In the 80’s I dated a Poland Girl, and learn, people on the other side had exactly the same fear we had on the west…
NATO, is a redundant question those days. I understand the “defense” subject and the treats behind or connected with Nato by it members. Nato it is a old concept of the World, keeping those days, for me means. create two fractions here, NATO Members and non members….. With other “defense” world organizations UN Sec Council… For now, let the World spin around, focus on Euro zone, not economics… people and make it stronger, by promoting stronger union. I guess the answers that Trump does not expect is no “we leave NATO”. No pain, no gain
Even a broken clock is right twice a day
The NATO should be dismembered following a frienship accord with Russia. Our enemy is somewhere else, not there.
Russia is clearly a threat to Eastern Europe and the Middle East we have to put pressure on other NATO members to start building a lot of money troops and keep this threat on the bullet
Eu urgently needs to form up its own defence. Hast to stand united as a global partner por peace. Aperengly Trumps aim is to destabilize Europe. The gentleman is married to a woman who survived Yugoslav war. He must have s very low resdon for natinal secueity. There must be a very big deal with Russia. This time is uterly important for the reform of the Eu. Nato depends too much on a will of the USA.
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Това е първият голям проблем за ЕС – излизането на Великобритания от съюза! Но не трябва да се смущаваме…..проблеми винаги ще има за решаване в такъв принципно нов вид съюз, какъвто е нашият. Просто трябва да изчакаме да видим какво ще искат от нас британците и да се отнесем с разбиране като към страна част от Европа а не като „трета страна”. Рано или късно те ще разберат че този референдум беше грешка на неговите организатори – неподходящо подбран момент за неговото провеждане……най-вече кризата с Русия! Британците просто не желаят да влизат в конфликт с една държава където обикновено човешкият живот не струва „кой знае колко” – лоши спомени от предците на руснаците – викингите! По-големият проблем е кой ще спечели изборите в САЩ, защото Тръмп вече заяви че Америка ще защитава само онези които могат да си „платят”, а ако не могат ще бъдат оставени да се защитават сами. В тази връзка си мисля дали не е вече време Германия и Франция заедно да сменят позицията на такива които чакат да бъдат защитавани с такива които могат сами да се защитават? И ако това беше станало по-рано дали тогава Англия щеше да напусне съюза или не? Вярно е че Европа се е опитвала да се обедини много пъти чрез война с катастрофални последици, но въпреки това никога не трябва да забравяме старата мъдрост на Римската империя – „ако искаш мир готви се за война”! Старият подпалвач на войни в Европа – Русия отново се активизира, а ние от ЕС изоставаме и чакаме някой от вън да ни защити! И защо този път (ако Америка наистина „се дръпне” от Европа) не „приобщим” Русия като например и предложим членство в ЕС като концесия за „отстъпките” които ще направят за Украйна……..така те нямат да имат повече основание да претендират за сигурността на своята граница с ЕС както и за търговски загуби с бившите им съветски републики! В такъв случай никой Американски президент не би си позволил да загуби стратегическите си позиции тук в Европа! Г.Кънев
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Това е първият голям проблем за ЕС – излизането на Великобритания от съюза! Но не трябва да се смущаваме…..проблеми винаги ще има за решаване в такъв принципно нов вид съюз, какъвто е нашият. Просто трябва да изчакаме да видим какво ще искат от нас британците и да се отнесем с разбиране като към страна част от Европа а не като „трета страна”. Рано или късно те ще разберат че този референдум беше грешка на неговите организатори – неподходящо подбран момент за неговото провеждане……най-вече кризата с Русия! Британците просто не желаят да влизат в конфликт с една държава където обикновено човешкият живот не струва „кой знае колко” – лоши спомени от предците на руснаците – викингите! По-големият проблем е кой ще спечели изборите в САЩ, защото Тръмп вече заяви че Америка ще защитава само онези които могат да си „платят”, а ако не могат ще бъдат оставени да се защитават сами. В тази връзка си мисля дали не е вече време Германия и Франция заедно да сменят позицията на такива които чакат да бъдат защитавани с такива които могат сами да се защитават? И ако това беше станало по-рано дали тогава Англия щеше да напусне съюза или не? Вярно е че Европа се е опитвала да се обедини много пъти чрез война с катастрофални последици, но въпреки това никога не трябва да забравяме старата мъдрост на Римската империя – „ако искаш мир готви се за война”! Старият подпалвач на войни в Европа – Русия отново се активизира, а ние от ЕС изоставаме и чакаме някой от вън да ни защити! И защо този път (ако Америка наистина „се дръпне” от Европа) не „приобщим” Русия като например и предложим членство в ЕС като концесия за „отстъпките” които ще направят за Украйна……..така те нямат да имат повече основание да претендират за сигурността на своята граница с ЕС както и за търговски загуби с бившите им съветски републики! В такъв случай никой Американски президент не би си позволил да загуби стратегическите си позиции тук в Европа! Г.Кънев
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Това е първият голям проблем за ЕС – излизането на Великобритания от съюза! Но не трябва да се смущаваме…..проблеми винаги ще има за решаване в такъв принципно нов вид съюз, какъвто е нашият. Просто трябва да изчакаме да видим какво ще искат от нас британците и да се отнесем с разбиране като към страна част от Европа а не като „трета страна”. Рано или късно те ще разберат че този референдум беше грешка на неговите организатори – неподходящо подбран момент за неговото провеждане……най-вече кризата с Русия! Британците просто не желаят да влизат в конфликт с една държава където обикновено човешкият живот не струва „кой знае колко” – лоши спомени от предците на руснаците – викингите! По-големият проблем е кой ще спечели изборите в САЩ, защото Тръмп вече заяви че Америка ще защитава само онези които могат да си „платят”, а ако не могат ще бъдат оставени да се защитават сами. В тази връзка си мисля дали не е вече време Германия и Франция заедно да сменят позицията на такива които чакат да бъдат защитавани с такива които могат сами да се защитават? И ако това беше станало по-рано дали тогава Англия щеше да напусне съюза или не? Вярно е че Европа се е опитвала да се обедини много пъти чрез война с катастрофални последици, но въпреки това никога не трябва да забравяме старата мъдрост на Римската империя – „ако искаш мир готви се за война”! Старият подпалвач на войни в Европа – Русия отново се активизира, а ние от ЕС изоставаме и чакаме някой от вън да ни защити! И защо този път (ако Америка наистина „се дръпне” от Европа) не „приобщим” Русия като например и предложим членство в ЕС като концесия за „отстъпките” които ще направят за Украйна……..така те нямат да имат повече основание да претендират за сигурността на своята граница с ЕС както и за търговски загуби с бившите им съветски републики! В такъв случай никой Американски президент не би си позволил да загуби стратегическите си позиции тук в Европа! Г.Кънев
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I would say that NATO is obsolete. But just because something is obsolete doesn’t mean that the role for which it was designed is not required. For example, the French have just decided that their FAMAS rifles are obsolete. That doesn’t mean the French Army has decided that they don’t need rifles anymore.
In this case, I would say obsolete means non-functional. NATO is not working the way it was designed, most of the nations are not abiding by the agreement as it was written, and do not have properly funded national militaries as required by the treaties and agreements that NATO is based upon.
But the role that NATO is meant to serve is still relevant, so just like with obsolete technology like the FAMAS, the options are to repair and upgrade NATO, or to replace it with something superior in the role that it’s meant to serve.
NATO must remain to make great all allies starting from east, Great Poland, Great Albania etc
after all allies become Great then absolete
NATO has prevented Russia from sweeping across Europe for decades. It’s destruction, from the American dictator, friendly with Putin, would give Russia a free hand in Europe and probably the excuse for war against western Europe. Many do not know or learn from history. An enemy of freedom is not stopped through reckless appeasement, but through strength with many standing together. In both world wars, America did not bother to get involved, other than making a profit by selling arms and supplies to both sides, until they were physically attacked. I believe Trump will remove America from the equation of protecting Europe, because this moron believes Putin will leave America alone, if Putin has the ability to wage war on Europe. But, China will not wait; America would be next on the list. Trump could be the downfall of us all. For we are the piggies in the middle of all this…