In summer 2016, the mayor of Cannes banned the burkini. Over two-dozen other French towns soon followed suit, many of them along the French Riviera. The mayor of Nice supported the ban, arguing that its wearing was a “provocation” in the aftermath of the terror attack on his city in July 2016.
Photographs soon emerged of women being fined by police for wearing the burkini, including one controversial set of pictures seemingly showing armed police forcing a Muslim woman to remove her long-sleeved clothing (not a burkini) on a beach in Nice. Witnesses allege that bystanders were shouting for the women to ‘go home’.
The ban was soon overturned by France’s highest administrative court. However, former French president Nicolas Sarkozy pledged to change the constitution in order to forbid the wearing of burkinis on French beaches if he was elected president in 2017. His bid to become the centre-right candidate for the Élysée Palace ultimately failed, so the court’s ruling remained in place.
What do our readers think? We had a comment sent in from Lucy on our ‘Suggest a Debate’ page, wondering what MEPs thought about the burkini ban that had briefly been instated in a series of French cities earlier in 2016.
Should the burkini be banned? We asked Members of the European Parliament (MEPs) from all sides of the political spectrum to stake out their positions on this question, and it’s up to YOU to vote for the policies you favour. See what the different MEPs have to say, then vote at the bottom of this debate for the one you most agree with! Take part in the vote below and tell us who you support in the European Parliament!
Ana Gomes (S&D), Member of the European Parliament:
I think this talk of a burkini ban is absolutely wrong, counter-productive in terms of fighting extremism, and it’s actually very, very silly. Because the state doesn’t have to get involved in what people are wearing, and the state actually should respect the cultural diversity of our societies. We live in a globalised world, and that of course requires openness to cultural diversity, including the way people choose to dress. This sort of ban is only playing into the hands of the xenophobic and Islamophobic populist right-wing across Europe. I think it’s disgusting that local governments would try to follow that line.
No. I don’t like the burkini and I don’t like the idea behind it, but I also don’t like governments telling people what they can and cannot wear. Those people who are in favour of the burkini are rarely people making a serious effort for gender equality, and the calls for banning the burkini have had much more to do with Islamophobia.
Beatrix von Storch (EFDD), Member of the European Parliament:
Curious to know more about attitudes towards the burkini in Europe? We’ve put together some facts and figures in the infographic below (click for a bigger version).
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INSIDE EU YES, OF COURSE!
the dresses of women are not the real problem!
Nadia Dereguardati @debatoria
No
@debatoria
Any clothing that covers the face and is not related to work requirements or safety requirements has to be banned. Apart from that they should be able to wear a ballroom dress at the beach if they want to.
how about a scarf when it cold outside ?
As I said – safety requirements are allowed ;)
No! We live in Europe: FREEDOM LAND!
@debatoria
Let anyone wear what they want to. What’s the point of enforcing something on anyone?
Are you sure it’s what those women really want to wear and if they love the way they’re treated by their men? Who is that freedom for?
Barbara Szela Lesniak Why do you think that these Women are forced to wear this by their men?
@debatoria
What about people that don’t want to wear ANYTHING :-)?
Burka, burkini, hijab with full body cover >> very practical to cover up the bruising, the men won’t get into trouble for exercising their rights to punishment.
@debatoria
No. We can not say “you know what? For you right of woman you must be more naked as we decided for you”
Its not her right as a woman. The “religion” enforces them to do stuff that they dont want to. Stoning females because they are in love is an example.
I understand what you mean but we can not force someone to do someting just because someone else did the same in the opposite way. If we care about freedom we must find a different, probably harder, way to solve this problem
YES!
@debatoria
Probably yes thy should! This woman are already forced to wear it because their relatives ask them or the mullah says they should!
so because the woman are forced to wear it you want to force the woman also not to leave the home?
@debatoria
No.
Of course! Europe – and the western civilization in general – provide and promote freedom not restrictions… Besides that’s the main reason Muslims come to Europe!
And that’s exactly why it cannot and shouldn’t be banned. If they want to wear it, they have every right to do so.
Do you really believe it’s their choice?
Why do you believe it’s not their choice? How are you going to differentiate between someone who wants to wear it or someone who may be forced to? By banning the burkini these women would again be forced to wear something. A bathing suit which they may not want or wouldn’t feel comfortoble in. Is that really better?
In fact if you look at bathing fashion in Europe throughout the ages then you will see that women in Europe used to wear dresses to go swimming as well. (http://www.victoriana.com/library/Beach/FashionableBathingSuits.htm)
You put it in a very logical basis, in which I agree! You have to understand though that when it comes to Muslims these actions are taken for a reason… A reason that doesn’t has to do with the respect of freedom…
Also, in legal matters, the logical basis is the only argument that counts.
I agree 100 %! Do you believe that Muslims in Europe respect the European laws?!?
They need to integrate and get assimilated. Wearing that oppressive symbol is not for what they came to Europe. This shows that they continue their way of life and don’t accept our values.
So what are our values? Forcing clothing habits on everyone?
@debatoria
The EU wants to ban the choice to cover your own body at the beach and force people to either wear a bikini against their will in order to access the beach or never be able to go to the beach? When did the EU become a fusion of opressive, controlling and a playboy mansion?
The EU has never proposed this and probably never could as I would think it’s not in their jurisdiction to do so. And when you look at the videos and comments in the post, only the extreme right in the European parliament is actually for such a ban.
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@debatoria
No. The burkini doesn’t cover the face and therefore there isn’t an issue with transparency or identification. Let people wear what they want.
@debatoria
Yes, In Europe be an European.
What does it take to be a european?please explain!
What if the suit wearer is an European?
Muhammad Wajahat Not be a islamic!
Stefan V. Stancioiu LOL
No. Because Christian nuns shouldn’t be forbinned to cover their body and hair too. What is so controversial about the burkini? I don’t get it. There aren’t any security issues related to it. It’s only worn on the beach and it leaves the face of a woman visible enough for identification. This is all about harrassing someone perceived as culturally too different. :/
Fear of someone different
@debatoria
If so, where is the freedom and the respect of humain rights that you claim having in Europe.
Well, what kind of freedom is that when you deny your women to be free and do what they want? If we’re talking about the culture clash, isn’t the respect for freedom and human rights, and the country’s law supposed to be mutual? There would be no problem at all if democracy weren’t used to fight against European culture and tradition. ‘When in Rome, do as the Roman do’ ….
I totally agree with you. But, do you think that all these women are forced to wear the hijab ? Do you ? My mom is wearing it and no one forced her to do that. We live in a free land where everyone has the rights to do and say whatever he like. Don’t you think that our politicians are just taking our attention away debating all this phoney debates meanwhile our economies are in a total disaster ? Think about it ? These women are living in Europe. They are protected by european laws. We’re not talking about Saoudi Arabia or the UAE.
Peace up
زكرياء الضراوي OK but why they or rather their men put sharia law above the law of the European country they’ve decided to live in? And one more thing – we have to remember about -ISIS uses our democracy and lliberty to fight agaist our culture which they openly admit they hate. How can we defend ourselves when they send women and children armed with explosive belts to kill themselves and others…. You cannot play this game when rulles are not followed….,
You remember about the human rights only when they mean an advantage for you. But then you totally ignore it when it comes to respecting the people and the country that let you in.
Anna Hayek I’m not a refugee. I’m european just like you ! I have the right to move, settle, travel, work where i wish !
Great. It’s time to remember your obligations too. You’ve got obligations, not only rights.
Y E S!
Who wants to wear a bur…whatsoever, please take an onewayticket, and move eastwards to the other bathmaids.
We have to respect them if we go in their countries. THEY HAVE TO RESPECT US IN OUR COUNTRY!! No covering no burkini no veils!
to be dressed is not a problem! are you troubled to NOT SEE NACKED WOMEN? this has nothing to do with rules!
your name looks Italian so how many nuns you meet in the Italian streets?? you should say the same for the nuns!!!
How is wearing one a sign of disrespect?
Nuns are like priests in someway so nothing to do with ordinary women.
Mocked openly and the reasons for wearing it questioned every step of the way? Yes, absolutely!
Banned? No. It’s a piece of clothing, after all.
If you’re able to mock it without being murdered by some fanatic (our a few thousands of them…) then I fully subscribe!
João that goes beyond the scope of the original question though.
I think we can agree that you can’t fight a toxic ideology that seeks to undermine everything we value most and the kind of religious fanaticism that would lead to such violence by simply banning a piece of clothing, while ignoring the actual problem. That accomplishes nothing, except for putting limitations on the very same freedom we’re supposed to be defending.
Islamic science and our smart Christians are always our pioneers . For the same time the EU produce pollution Arabs developed clean energy for the future . Thanks to them we have modern science , solar panels , electric cars , we know how to build and protect environment . They build and financed huge factories in China to build electric cars and solar panels . Do you know why in China , because we atheist in the EU did everything to prevent them to develop , atheist wanted to export oil and burn fossil fuels , only to make big money , greed .
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w2pRGuY0WxE
What is this have to do with the question in hand I don’t know….. but anyway half of it is BS and extremely biased.
Well, that’s a pack of lies. Solar panels invented in fance, and developed in Europe and the USA. Wind turbine generation invented in the US and developed in the US, Europe and Japan. Hydroelectric invented in the US and developed by the US and the British. Tidal power invented and developed in Europe. Geothermal power invented by Europe and and developed by Europe, Russia and US. If you’re counting nuclear, again, US and Europe, with later development by USSR.
It’s also somewhat hypocritical, considering Arabs are by far the biggest net beneficiaries of fossil fuels in the world.
Shound they Stop murder crucified IDIGENOUS Christians in their countries tooking their homeland? Should they stop be barbarians and respect other religions without our blood? We dont give a sit about burginis and their morality. They are murderers with moral….faces.
Two negatives don’t make a positive. Equally two wrongs don’t make a right. If we all said that we’d not obey the law until everyone did then we would have anarchy. Yes, we should be making a strong stand against the Islamic murdering of all those who don’t accept the faith.
To really do so we have to stop denying that it is driven by their religious beliefs. Islam means Peace which isn’t the same concept of Peace we have in the West. Peace for Islam is brought through the acceptance of all people to Islam and the purging of non-believers. ISIS is just following the logical conclusion.
All that said when in History do we find a successful method from direct opposition to changing the hearts and minds of people? The answer is certainly not in banning clothes. It is enforcing, adhering to, and protecting our laws to protect religious freedom and to protect the vulnerable in society.
you have such MANIA to oblige people to dress WHAT you like??? let the dress what they want! otherwise WHERE IS YOUR DECLARED FREEDOM???
Yes, same way as balaclava … for safety reasons.
No
no, it should be legal and nudity should also be legal. all and all its just the way you you live and belive.
A person must be able to wear what ever he or she likes as long as is not forced to do so.. P’s the burgini is ridiculous
Seriously. We have the rise of popularism, bail outs, economies in a mess and potential security threats. Who cares what anyone wears. If someone wears something that covers there face that falls under security. Outside that I really couldn’t care less and wish distraction type politics such as this would disappear.
So full burkas are not fine?
João Machado Anything that covers the face such as helmet, gimp mask, burka, etc should not be allowed in public places. A helmet is being on a motorcycle, not going in to bank. As for clothing on the body, people should wear what they want.
In the UK we have a long standing legal position which should be protected at all costs. It’s call freedom. This concept of Freedom stems from Freedom of Religion and Freedom of Speech. We have the Equality Act 2010 which is the latest expression of those laws. It has the appropriate checks and balances in it.
I hold to an old fashioned concept of conservatism which the Tory party have long forgotten and who the Labour Party when first established actually held to. Yup Labour was conservative and the Tory’s were socialist in the good old days. Thats why the colours in the UK are back to front from the USA :)
So in summary no they should not be banned. It’s like asking if Bikinis should be banned but from an opposite position. Our society is not based on the concept of women wearing the least possible. A birkini does not cause problems for someone ascertaining the individual’s identity and so I cannot see that it can be a security issue either.
If Muslims were saying they wanted to change the law so we all had to wear them then you’d have a rightful basis to object. But we’ve not yet got that far.
This seems to me to ultimately be asking if a woman of any faith or none is allowed to wear more than a bikini on the beach. So to say they don’t have that right would be quite discriminatory against women. If the women did not wish to wear it and are being forced to then it is that which is wrong rather than the clothing. We have laws for that type of issue and we do not need to start banning clothing. Clinton supporters wanted to ban T-Shirts and Baseball Caps. Seriously? Do we really want to go down that path? What are we socialists?
Tell it to the Naked Rambler.
P.S. burkinis have been embraced by people allergic to the sun – and they come in all faiths, shapes and sexes. Not that this should change anything. However, for marketing purposes may I suggest a name change, if only to expose the bigotry.
in Pink it would be more fit
Only if the nun habit is banned as well along with Sikh turbans. Otherwise it’s just discriminatory targeting.
No. Why regulate with laws how women are supposed to dress.
I am more more interested into a law that would castrate rapists (many of them think woman should be raped and punished if she dresses not in the way they want her to) than a law which would ban burkini. I neither condemn nor support burkini, I just do not care. What I care is that if another woman decides to wear a bikini, will not be raped for this.
No. Much as I personally hate the alienating effect the Islamic dress code has on the wearers banning it does nothing but feed the radical idiots and their claim the west hates Islam
Whilst there is a case for banning full face coverings on the grounds of security with reference to the photo accompanying this thread,essentially the woman doesn’t look much different to somebody in a wet suit, are they going to be banned as well?
At the end of the day the vast majority of people go to a beach to soak up the sun but if someone wants to dress like that and they don’t mind looking stupid and being be stared at on they go, it is definitely idiotic but I would hardly say it should be illegal
Of course it should be banned
I propose we ban moronic faces.
Andu Ogodai , so start with your suggestion snd take your face Out of here.
Ofc.
“[…] Nicolas Sarkozy pledged to change the constitution in order to forbid the wearing of burkinis on French beaches if he was elected president in 2017” Well that’s one thing that be happening this year 😂
No. I think it is the right of every woman to decide the amount of coverage she wishes to have on a beach. I would ban the full veil in all circumstances but not the headscarf. the full veil is an insult to our liberal democracies, as are arranged marriages, fgm. However, on the beach is someone wants wear a wetsuit, jeans and a teashirt, or a show it all of bikini thong then it is their choice and in keeping with our values (despite the fashion trade not providing many of us with much choice in relation to costume design).
Does it cover their face? No it doesn’t. No it should not be banned, neither should sun hats, neither should swimming hats, neither should bikinis and neither should be diving gear. Don’t let people take our freedoms away.
Why caring about something like this? Give freedom to dress as wanted. Stop being illiberals. We gotta face climate change, poverty, famine, migrations and much, much more. Sincerely, I do not want to debate about the burkini.
“stop being illiberals”
implying any sane person would want to be a liberal
It implies to stop disrespecting the others. Liberty is not property of just those formally liberal.
Yes.
No but all religious people should accept each other, seminaries should be forced by law on this.
Anyone who says no needs to be deported to the middle east. Debate closed..
http://www.victoriana.com/library/Beach/FashionableBathingSuits.htm
http://www.cbsnews.com/pictures/swimwear-through-the-ages/12/
sure why not
Pork should be ban
Burkinis is not where it all starts. It all starts with the repression of wome’s rights, by their own societies, to wear whatever clothes they feel like.
And as such the burkini is a testemonial of women’s oppression by those societies, by those communities, by those families.
The burkini is but a symptom of a deeper problem that needs to be addressed.
THAT women’s rights problem is not acceptable in our society!
Let us fix the problem, not the symptom!
Kibaszott békaemberek
Islam în Europe should be banned.
I vote for stupidity in Europe to be banned 😉
I vote for people who choose as a perfect model a pédophile and murderer to go “vote” in saudi Arabia.
Pork should be banned
We ll give you à Nice pork skin suit you mf
Burkinis is not where it all starts. It all starts with the repression of wome’s rights, by their own societies, to wear whatever clothes they feel like.
And as such the burkini is a testemonial of women’s oppression by those societies, by those communities, by those families.
The burkini is but a symptom of a deeper problem that needs to be addressed.
THAT women’s rights problem is not acceptable in our society!
Let us fix the problem, not the symptom!
Yes …YES….Y E S…..!!
Defintely not
It should be permitted, alongside nudity.
This will cast the burkini out of the unnecessary spotlight it does not deserve.
If I want to go swimming in a cardboard box, that’s my affair!
If that ‘burka’ covers the face, then of course it should!!
Why?
Why?
Visual Identification, laser id, and general safety and security issues.
Visual Identification, laser id, and general safety and security issues.
No more scuba diving then :/
You go for a walk in scuba diving suit?
Before going into this, you should also deal with the question if women are wearing burkinis out of free will or because of some patriarchal/cultural/religious pressure.
Nobody cares about that point. People just want to be right
Nope
Absolutely NOPE
If europe defends religious tolerance and freedom then 100% not but if europe defends fascism hatred and extremism then yes.
does it cover the face, concealing the identity? No? Then why the f** do you care?
on beaches i watch the blue sky the trees i swim,, blue water coffee drinking and enjoying the peace that summer and See or lake gives
Reciprocity…
Should EU be banned? 30% loading..
Yes
Stop this black ants
For those that come from the dictator-prone parts of europe, and probably haven’t understood this concept yet:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Freedom_of_speech
As long as the face is visible i dont see the problem why it should be banned… if this is banned should people swimming with t shirts be banned too?
It’s dangerous that’s why. To many extremist terrorist committed crimes. Bombs could be hidden this way.
No. People wearing the burquini should be exempt from receiving lifeguard assistance
If you wanna play by that game, so should Bulgarians.
Being Bulgarian is unfortunately something I am born with, it’s not just a cumbersome rag that I can strip off while at the beach, like everyone else does
Burkinis shouldn’t be banned. Non muslim women can wear them too if they want. Islam should be banned instead because it is violent, intolerant and misogynistic and totally incompatible with Europe’s values of tolerance and equality.
Ban it.
Religion should only be practiced within the confinements of ones own house or house of prayer.
Yes it does not belong in our life like religion all religions ….
For those that come from the dictator-prone parts of europe, and probably haven’t understood this concept yet:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Freedom_of_speech
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Freedom_of_speech
If you are free to show your nudity why is it not free to cover it?
It’s not a simple matter of religion or whatnot. Problem is: what if, under that, has lots of bruises (we know modern Islamic views on women)? We can’t know if she’s being well or if she should need help. Or what if she has a skin desease that can be passed through direct contact with water? Anyone who’s bathing there is at risk, and it turns into a safety/health problem.
What if the cloth remains stuck on rocks and she can’t tear it? Her own life then is at risk.
yes like these: http://www.fashion-era.com/images/Edwds1890-1915/beauties.jpg
Welcome to the “end of 1800-start of 1900” period, when people had different views and different morals.
It’s like the people who justify terrorists because of crusades. Real mature.
You have more risk of decease into the sea with the actual pollution than the necessity of seing her skin see if she is in good health !
Freedom to all Let there be naked people in all beach in europe that is the real and only way to respond
Absolutely not! What does anybody have to do with what other people wear? I don’t even understand why this is still a question.
It wouldn’t be a problem if Amina, the teenage daughter of Alhaj Bin Laden, after choosing to wear a bikini to the beach wouldn’t be disowned by her father. Nor will be raped as a punishment in Riyadh.
The gist lies not in the freedom to wear or not to wear but the primary force which makes the young moslem grow to feel obliged to.
What you are supporting is akin to saying since the people of Saudi agree women shouldn’t drive a car so it is the rights of the women of Riyadh for not driving, or?
I know I know, I get really annoyed when people question if it’s appropriate for me to be wearing a nazi uniform to my job at a nursery.
Why on Earth should anybody ban it …it less offensive than those fat people wearing string bikinis !🙈🙉🙊
“Earth isn’t divided between black or white.
There is grey between both.”
It’s the same thing with clothes….
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NO! but stupidity should be banned fast…now let’s star debating Europe and what the European Union stands for….nobody is getting it anymore and it’s getting harder to keep defending you
JA!
Personnaly, I m more disturbed by a woman showing her breast in the beach or a naked man btw than a woman with a simple scarf and plain clothes but I accept both as long as the beaches don’t turn into one kind of people on one side and the other at the opposite, a fractured society and that I can still go freely without anyone asking me to wear this or don’t wear that.
banned yesterday…
For sure
When we look at women, it’s a problem this kind of questions. Women are free, human beings. What else? I am sick of discrimination.
Nuns must be naked to
Are they going on beaches hahahah
Can men finally stop legislating about what women must or must not wear…? Can we just please wear what we feel comfortable in, all covered up, all showing or anything in between (uuuhm just like men)?
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In some countries like France, yes!
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/french-town-publier-virgin-mary-secular-laws-public-park-a7455216.html
Europe should never live under foreign rules!!!
In fact Burkini is not a rule.
OMG Im talking in general!
Isn’t this more of a summer debate topic? (And a last summer topic at that)
Damn yes it should
No mulsilms= no hallal, no burka, no “honour murders” , no terrorism, no more “no go zones ” , no ghetto, no stupid revendications, etc etc etc
0% knowledge of the subject = pronouncing “Allah” and “Muslims” Incorrectly + other ridiculous and inaccurate connections :D
Ain’t that a scuba diving suit?
Absolutely
Real question: who though it was a good idea to allow these people to settle Europe?
Real question: Who thought it was a good idea to allow Europe to colonise the rest of the world?
@Heena Mohammed
North Africa is dominated by Muslims because they attempted to settle in said area and beyond.
Heena, nobody did. The local populations were unable to offer resistance. However, Islam expanded by means of Jihad. Prior to the expansion of the Arabs and their conquests, the local populations in North Africa were pagan. In Iran people were Zoroastrian , in Pakistan Buddhist etc. Some Pakistani tribes still are pagan. Read about it.
No more aliens. Thank you.
It is not banned in Tel aviv´s beaches, so, why in Europe?
Oh yes …
The Burkini SHOULD not be banned outright – it should not be allowed in banks and the like.
To ban the Burkini is totally wrong. This French inspired secularist approach will be banned once French Muslims take this issue to the ECHR.
most of my friends and I don’t care about the Burkini…
it doesn’t mean that politicians can do whatever they want, it means it shouldn’t be banned and we have far more important matters to discuss about such as the opacity of treaties
Yes. If so many people love enjoying the fruit of the western culture, then they should also adapt to that culture and its values. It’s like with a plant in you house. If people just enjoy a fruit of a plant in their house and don’t want to water that plant, then the plant will die.
Our main value is FREEDOM. Freedom of speech, freedom of religion and freedom of wearing whatever you f*****g want. These stupid rules are only helping the radicalization of islam instead of making everyone feel home.
Yes, but the problem is thier main value is NOT freedom, NOT freedom of religion and NOT wearing whatever you want. Their main value is SHARIA LAW. Maybe you should learn something about that law. Because when they come here, how do you think they will try to use that freadom they are given? By spreading common sense, or by building mosques and advocating sharia law? Learn some history, don’t be naive enough to believe that just by being here muslims will stand for everything that we stand for. What if they do to Europe what they did to Lebanon? Mosques are being built all over Europe. How many churches do they have over in Saudi Arabia?
Gabriele Scollo naive thing to say….. I would accept the burkini if both men and women wear it……. women are not free since freedom is “your saying”, women have “accquired behaviour” they learn what to do and say since birth….
Why should a piece of clothing be banned? This is insane.
Not sure mate, I never understand the looks I get when I stroll around town in my KKK gown, people shouldn’t cause such a fuss.
Should a Nazi uniform or insignia be allowed, if someone wanted to wear them? Wearing an Islamic cloak is like a Nazi badge – it says to everyone “I am a slave to men and would do anything they order me to, even if it is against my will, even if it causes me a great discomfort or pain. As a woman I am nothing and therefore I am not allowed to have a will of my own. I am bound to follow every whim that the men in my life have, accept their humiliation and control over me because this is what the Quran says I should do.”
Do we Europeans not have at least a slight problem with that?
No! Stop telling people what to do / be / wear / think / believe. Free will is not just a figure of speech!
Its nonsense. And next time what? Skirt or kilt?
Yes
The Burkini is a red herring. Many women, especially those with sun allergies and gross overweight, want to cover their bodies from sight for health reasons or embarrassment.
What should be banned, and especially in schools, is the wearing of the Burqua or scarf. Female children, under the age of 18 and in the company of other young girls, should not be exposed to guilt projection onto girls of a secular society that is desperately trying to raise the self esteem of women. This is a uniform that suggests females are of a lower caste to the male of the species. Or, that their body and hair is somehow ‘evil’ if it is seen, as to do so stimulates the male out of control of his sexual urges. This is extremism and unacceptable.
What should happen is, families who feel this is an appalling environment for their girls to be raised, should refuse to send them to schools where it is allowed and promoted. Governments must be held to account for their policies that go against the rights of Europeans to keep a culture and society that has protected them from abuse for years by elevating the role of women.
Catherine agreed. With a little note: myself suffer from a VERY bad sun allergy…The whole purpose of going to the beach is so that you get exposed to the sun and when you are in the water you want your skin to be in contact with the water. So, unless, you are going to do this, is there any point in going to the beach at all? For me, not really. Appreciate that other people feel differently about it and if you have kids, you may actually have to go to the beach and be in the water them. There is medication to prevent the break-outs, medicated sun-creams and after certain hours when there is no longer strong radiation, you don’t need to worry about the allergy. OK, the water is already a bit cold by that time. But swimming in clothing increases resistance from the water and must be very difficult. so, I wonder how effective a life guard in a burkini can be, as there are a few in Australia.
Overall, the demand for women to cover up in public spaces is offensive to our culture but this is a view prevented to be expressed in the UK, at least. The BBC had an article a while back titled “Is the burkini offensive?” or something similar. But the content of the article consisted entirely of Muslim women asking how anyone can find the burkini offensive and giving their reasons why they want to wear it. There was not a single quote from someone who does find it offensive and their reasons why. All we see and hear is people defending its use but people who genuinely find it offensive are silenced from the big media. Why?
A few debated back this page was asking if we trust Russian media…
Arrêtons de vouloir contrôler la façon dont les femmes s’habillent. Laissons-les libres de choisir!
Definitely not and I shall require all women to wear one.
The burkini should be banned in public pools especially outdoor ones, as it is not hygienic. However, it should not be banned on the beach, as there are people with sun-related conditions that need to wear it and sea water is safer than pool water.
especially indoor pools with no sun, was what I meant to say.
The European federal states must build what works Not for Burkini in Europe
Yes it should be banned. There should be a pressure from employers not to employ people in traditional rags, with beards, not to allow prayers during work hours etc. Muslims have to taught even pressured to leave their religion for their spare time just as Europeans do. And we should not bow to the fear. Counterrorism must come from massively increased surveillance not from appeasing an inward looking parallel society. We must brake up the monolithic nature of muslim communities and actively integrate them.
Again this??! You like to see people fighting… ;)
Burkini is a part of somoene culture and religion,we live in democracy.
Sir, this is irrelevant, if rape was in someone’s culture, or lack thereof, and religion, would that make it a legitimate thing to legalise? In fact, you are making the classic argument, in different words of course, that because something is a certain way, it should be legal. I have, as you may have noticed, neither supported nor rejected a ban so do not jump to a conclusion on my opinion on the issue. I am merely stating that your reasoning is not the right reasoning. Laws should be based on reason and evidence, not the habits of the past.
Eles precisam compartilhar nossa cultura, uma vez que imigra eles deixam de lado alguns laços com o país deles.
First of all sorry for my english.
You cant make connection of burkini and rape,its not even similar,burkini doesnt hurt nobody else.
I only want to say that the world dont need to be divided in this time by who believe in what ,everybody can dress whatever he/she wants.
Should we banne ties and suits because these people are doing all the wars and other bad things to humanity
And please tell me why it should be banned?what are the reasons?
Running out of polemics, are we? I sympathise. How about nuclear power? That’s always guaranteed to get a rise out of people. What if we annexed England and turned it into a large nuclear power station for continental Europe? Do you think they would mind?
Michael Šimková very good! If it is about creating polemics, lets drive them ourselves to what should be matter of worry and discussion. What about making Europe great again, as in the last century, and turn the UE a far-right dictatorship, all of us together? Maybe UK would re-join again, it would solve Brexit problem, right?
They shouldn’t be banned in the winter when the water is cold.
If they ban us in their counties WE ban them in our countries.
Because their Democratic values should inspire us. Got it.
Its a way to make them understand that they cant do what ever they want in other countries .They have to colabarate and open their minds.
We open their minds by behaving like spoiled teenagers. Clever
You should worry of bringing democracy in islamic countries! Not of imposing their rules in Europe!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Domeniko has won the honk-of-the-day award 👏
Domenico Cavallaro yeah like Democrazy in Iraq, Afganistan and Libya right?
Wonder which country want democracy now?
Oh right Syria, wonderful democracy!
Kismat Khan lives in Gothenburg….
Brian Grover And work for Volvo! :D
Is that an important information here?
No.. Thats not warming… But if someone dresses like a mummy with a possibility that’s carrying a bomb… It shouldn’t be allowed
and a guy wearing an european style trench coat could not carry a bomb?
People having the intelligence of yours, should be banned Heres 😂
Lol
Costi Ciudin – how many of such do or have done during the last 10 years?
No. You are free to come, but you should at least make an effort to integrate.
They should integrate but you can spell your name in Jap, riiiight
I am Croatian, born and raised in Croatia. And to whichever country I move in the future I plan to fully integrate. I even went to Erasmus to Germany and sometimes I felt more at home there than in Croatia.
I on the contrary sometimes feel out of touch with my home culture, because I feel I am able to objectively look at its flaws and benefits. Which is a completely different issue.
Although I would like to one day visit Japan and maybe stay in it, the reasons for my name are actually privacy reasons. I feel uncomfourtable with the fact that people could just look up my name and see everything I do here. Even worse if a potential job recruiter looks up my name…
Well, since u are member of EU xou certainly have the power to integrate. Just look at your neighbor countries. They are part of the current immigration debate. So you speak from a position not understanding the reality of other cultures and people coming to europe
As hypocritical as this may be, even being progressive has it’s neccesary evils.
Integration isn’t the same as abandoning your religion and culture, it’s living in peaceful accordance with the culture of wherever you are now. Wearing a burkini doesn’t harm anyone and western cultures are supposed to value freedom of expression and gender equality, both of which the burkini ban undermines
Fine, if you think so, you have a right to your opinion. I however remain on my stance. There is no construction without destruction.
I think you should advice against it. Swimming in clothes is for experienced and skilled swimmers only. Other than that all people should wear full cover clothes in marine environment when the sun is sharp. Policing peoples beachwear is ridiculous.
Yes, of course
For what reason?
It is opposite that we call enlightenment
This is becoming a boring topic.
In the cold of January, I assume that they think it’s an important question for now …
Islam is a fascist, ultraconservative and misogynist ideology. They never will integrate. Only if they became ex-Muslims.
Vicente, go get some sleep again, old man.
Lol
Yeah they even kill Jew in WW2
They had a corp of volunteers fighting under the SS troops command. It is easy to see the photos in the net.
http://www.hinduwebsite.com/history/holocaust.asp
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Free_Arabian_Legion
Should the bikini be banned?
What is the essence of our objection to the burkini?
This must be clearly stated! Also,
What will be accomplished if we tell these women to stop?
and…
What do we want to accomplish as a society that the banning of the burkini will be a major component?
Every other religion in the world, right now, tells women to wear whatever they want. Islam is telling them to hide their bodies or they are going to be beaten by their housbands or stoned to death by the “good citizens”. It’s not their choice, remember this.
I know that. But to take blind action against women’s clothing is counterproductive. What are we accomplishing by telling the women to stop wearing burkinis? That they cannot go to the beach? And that their husbands can continue beating them up because they do not wear burkinis on the beach? So the women get firmly squeezed from both sides, society and their husbands.
What are we accomplishing then? That is the fundamental question.
The fundamental problem has to be addressed and it is not by prohibiting women from wearing their clothing.
We need to think deeper than this.
What is the essence of our objection to the burkini?
This must be clearly stated!
Also,
What will be accomplished if we tell these women to stop?
and…
What do we want to accomplish as a society in our society that the banning of the burkini will be a major component or detriment?
perhaps if we debate this during sub zero winter months Europeans can be more rational about it?
None of our business, everyone should be allowed to wear what she/he wants to wear. Dress codes should be banned!
Every other religion in the world, right now, tells women to wear whatever they want. Islam is telling them to hide their bodies or they are going to be beaten by their housbands or stoned to death by the “good citizens”. It’s not their choice, remember this.
It’s nt about dress code. It’s about our safety.
Do skiers in Europe cover their heads to cause fear on the surrounding prejudiced population? We are nothing but vile racist islamophobes. Our NATO troops should stop participating in the destruction of countries to avoid having refugees.
Have you heard of European skiers being terrorists?
Barbara Szela Lesniak yes! NATO and Israeli soldiers and mercenaries from Europe, but our propaganda shelters us from such reality.
Do we live in democracy? If so, this question does not make any sense at all.
LOL
LOL
It’s about safety, isn’t it?
Is it?
Barbara Szela Lesniak what kind of safety are you referring to?
Not in the winter. :D
Yes!
Every other religion in the world, right now, tells women to wear whatever they want. Islam is telling them to hide their bodies or they are going to be beaten by their housbands or stoned to death by the “good citizens”. It’s not their choice, remember this.
Have you ever talk to woman who wear it?
Why would we care? If they wanna wear it who am I to say no? It is their choise.
No, you’re wrong. If you were on a beach in the country of these foreigners do you think they would allow you to wear a bikini? No way, you’d be arrested and convicted. The right of reciprocity is a norm in international law. Sorry to have to tell you this but it’s because of people who think like you that the world will never improve
It does not affect us. It is their choise. I don’t know about other countries but in mine we treat Muslims as our own. We have been living with them for so long that we gladly evolved together. We respect them and they respect us. This is not about what would happen to us if we went to Syria or else. It is about their choise. If they want to wear bikini or takini they can. So if they want to wear that they cannot? Sincerely, there are more important topics to worry about.
Johnny Sintra Your argument is valid however you shouldn’t compare developed countries that evolved and moved away from religion to dictate their laws with the ones that are still using it… besides you can always opt for not going to these countries if you don’t agree with their way of living. Should human kind aim for freedom, tolerance, development and toleration or keep repeating the same mistakes of the past?
Has long has their face and hands are not covered ,whats the problem , better than baring your breasts , although I did it when I was young ,
Some women don’t like to reveal their bodies ,
so this would be in the same category .Stop
complaining , this is what is wrong with the world to day .Let people enjoy themselves in their own
way .
If a western lady were on a beach in the country of these foreigners do you think they would allow her to wear a bikini? No way, she’d be arrested and convicted. The right of reciprocity is a norm in international law. Sorry to have to say this but it’s because of people stubbornly tolerant of these radicals that the world will never improve. In their country they do what they want, if we visit them we must follow their laws, so they will have to follow ours. It’s just that.
Your argument is valid however you shouldn’t compare developed countries that evolved and moved away from religion to dictate their laws with the ones that are still using it… besides you can always opt for not going to these countries if you don’t agree with their way of living. Should human kind aim for freedom, tolerance, development and toleration or keep repeating the same mistakes of the past?
the right of reciprocity? where in hell is that right written? the right of reciprocity are they in the human rights declaration or what? please dude. PLEASE. stop embarrasing yourself and europeans thank you. and discuss about EUROPE not what other countries out of Europe do.
and the laws in Europe say that anyone can have the religion they want and express themselves as they want just not hurting anyone ok? their is freedom to profess your religion. for gods sake what a stubborn stupidity.
Article 18.
Everyone has the right to freedom of thought, conscience and religion; this right includes freedom to change his religion or belief, and freedom, either alone or in community with others and in public or private, to manifest his religion or belief in teaching, practice, worship and observance.
UN HUMAN RIGHTS form http://www.un.org/en/universal-declaration-human-rights/ got it now? you able to understand what freedom of religion in any place is? please what a genius you are….
No.
Yes of course. Banned in Europe
should nuns costumes be banned? No? Should priests clothes be banned? No? should monks habits banned? No? should crucifixes be banned? no? should any form of expression or religion be banned? NO?
Being a nun or a priest is a choice.
Wearing the hijab is pressured on the young girls by the families and their subculture. >> Try to go out without it and you may get slapped around.
To be a member of the subculture they have to conform. If they do not confirm, they risk becoming outcasts, they get punished. Honor killings happen because some young girls revolted against the religious/cultural oppression.
,
You are taking sides with the cultural oppression of women. It’s done by a subculture, but it’s still a cultural oppression.
Have you ever talk to myslim woman? Have you ever travel to middle east countries? Probably not. Try to have conversation!
Absolutely not! Not only are they doing nothing wrong – it’s ‘Sun Safe’!
I don’t want to live in a world where I society tells me what I can and can’t wear
Yes but only the ninja face mask. People should know who are they dealing with. Is it man or a woman, wanted criminal or terrorist…
The usual stupid arguments put forward by this site.
And all man to wear speedos and not this all-hiding shorts :)
if is used in the beaches in Tel Aviv and Haifa, why not in Europe?
Yes!
turn your clock half century front !!!!! or you want to take us back ???
Torben Stiene, I studied Arab and Islamic Culture at the University, since then I have been following the Islamic world. I read the Qur’an and consult it now and then. Now where did you get your skills in Islamic studies? May be you are also a fascist and admire their capacity of beating their wives. Or stone them to death when you are sick of them. Or may be you, deep inside are a pedophile and would follow them having sex with little children. Ayatohlla Khomeini says you can have sex even with breast feeding babies. Is that what you want, sick young man?
Which university is that? Don’t tell me Trump university.😳😳😳
NO…
Yes.
Should debatingeurope be banned?
No
It shouldn’t be banned, but be defined as a choice of clothing for personal reasons. Eventually, the burkini would lose its hype to be just another piece of fabric.
It should be up to women to decide what to wear, ne c’est pas?
Pod uslovom da se žena odgaja kao slobodno ljudsko biće, potpuno jednako muškarcima, a ne kao neko ko mora da bude pokoran i sluša bez pogovora oca, brata, muža…
Siniša Bundalo is there any woman that you know that really raise like that?
Siniša Bundalo my experience is man listen to woman more! More than double by the way!
no
If it’s a safety hazard, sure. if not then it’s just a choice.
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yes
Yes
It’s up to women what they wear.
In Europe, it should be applied the same measures Saudi Arabia takes against european liberties… So, Yes! Bann burkini in public places for those who are willing to live in Europe. But not for the tourists. And give power to police to check whether a woman is or is not a european citizen.
Clothing should be banned altogether 😂
No. It should be enforced on anyone too ugly to wear a speedo. Sorry what kind of nonsense question is this anyway? How about talking about real issues eg how to actually deal with the inevitable surge in displaced people from climate impacts, and how to keep humanistic values alive in such context?
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No.
Yes!!
Reason?
YES/Да !
yes
Reason?
So everybody (male expecially) would not consider the woman’s body something to hide and get used to see exposed parts. It may help in avoiding rapes of western women (you know blood boils in someone not used to see a piece of skin). Regards
yes
Hmmmm beAutiful
Whatever will this clickbait page ask next: Should “we” round up all male Muslims between the ages of 18 and 65 and put them in internment camps? No point in pussyfooting around the issue!
Yes ! Of course yes ! Don’t wear your religion to swim !
yes. if u so want, u can go to ur country and use it for ur pleasure
No, wear whatever you like.
I think that people don’t want to see a backward trend , I don’t won’t to see it become a general trend and then being made to wear it! In some areas women are being attacked for wearing shorts or short dresses (in France or England), So while I agree that it might be liberating for some women for others it might be the contrary, please ensure my (or other women’s) future freedom of wearing what I like , of being safe on the underground, having said that I’m not really fussed , just protect women’s rights in the future!
Not banned but no MORE muslins in Eu. They are troubles.
I think Europe has more important questions on the table than that.
Should this be on this page? No.
Everyone should have the right to dress ridiculously.
if everyone was free it would be correct, but are they wearing that because of their own decision or because of father/husband decision?
Who cares? It’s not relevant to the matter at hand
We have no way of knowing this and it’s none of our business unless the girl/woman is a victim of domestic abuse. Making your daughter wear or not wear certain clothing does not automatically mean you’re abusing her and she’s a victim. For example, you probably wouldn’t be OK for your teenage daughter to go out dressed like a pornstar, would you?
Slaves? Who is a slave? We are talking about Europe, not Saudi Arabia! These women are free to leave their husbands or fathers any time they want!
People have short memories:
1) the highest courts in France ruled on various occasions that the burkini ban instituted last year on some French municipalities was unconstitutional.
2) the burkini did not evolve from male/patriarch mentality nor did it come from Muslims.
The genesis of the idea came from the Australian Surf Rescue who approached a Female Muslim sports cloths designer to come up with a costume to allow Muslim women to participate as volunteers with the Australian Surf Rescue.
3) the burkini is not only used by Muslim women but also hundreds of western non Muslim women who wear it for various reasons; to cover post op scares or skin blemishes, to protect from the sun especially by fair skinned women, by women who may feel embarrassed by their bodies, to mention a few.
Burkini: No – Ninja: Yes
if women had choice none of them will ware it
Are you sure about that?
so i thing, if the choice is ware it and keep her head, or take it and left without head
Actually you are wrong,
People have short memories:
1) the highest courts in France ruled on various occasions that the burkini ban instituted last year on some French municipalities was unconstitutional.
2) the burkini did not evolve from male/patriarch mentality nor did it come from Muslims.
The genesis of the idea came from the Australian Surf Rescue who approached a Female Muslim sports cloths designer to come up with a costume to allow Muslim women to participate as volunteers with the Australian Surf Rescue.
3) the burkini is not only used by Muslim women but also hundreds of western non Muslim women who wear it for various reasons; to cover post op scares or skin blemishes, to protect from the sun especially by fair skinned women, by women who may feel embarrassed by their bodies, to mention a few.
Pan Sol in western democracies there is no risk of losing their head.
in UK there are 5 sharia courts, imagine in rest of europe where are majority
Wow so UK do be heard people?
Democracy and sharia are not compatible
Who is offended by a burkini?
Yes. As EU and their member states are laicist thus exterior religion signals should be banned.
Are we allowed to wear bikini in their countries? We should have equal rights.
Equality isn’t imitating laws that bypass individual freedom
We have to push for more rights for us in their countries too. Otherwise they will always consider us as fools.
They will consider us fools if, like them, we start making laws abojt what people wear
They hate bikini, we hate burkini. If we don’t get to an agreement on this to get equal rights, then we recognize that their culture is superior to ours, so it’s ok for them to display their culture on our land, but we should hide hours when we go to their land, offering them the respect that we don’t consider we deserve from them in our own countries.
What I hate is when people tell women what or not to wear
Nuno Oliveira I hate that too. But in their case, probably many muslim women would prefer to wear bikini instead of burkini if they were free. By allowing these men to dictate their women to cover their bodies even on our land, to me it seems wrong. Many muslim women say that they are happy to dress the way they do, but which are their options really? We need to give them options.
Maricela Potoc bikinis are allowed in most Muslim majority countries.
Maricela Potoc
For your information
People have short memories:
1) the highest courts in France ruled on various occasions that the burkini ban instituted last year on some French municipalities was unconstitutional.
2) the burkini did not evolve from male/patriarch mentality nor did it come from Muslims.
The genesis of the idea came from the Australian Surf Rescue who approached a Female Muslim sports cloths designer to come up with a costume to allow Muslim women to participate as volunteers with the Australian Surf Rescue.
3) the burkini is not only used by Muslim women but also hundreds of western non Muslim women who wear it for various reasons; to cover post op scares or skin blemishes, to protect from the sun especially by fair skinned women, by women who may feel embarrassed by their bodies, to mention a few.
Religions should be banned. At least in public
The burkini is not related to religion.
It’s a bathing costume worn by women of ALL faiths and beliefs.
What kind of a stupid question is that … are we in Europe or Saudi Arabia ????
People have short memories:
1) the highest courts in France ruled on various occasions that the burkini ban instituted last year on some French municipalities was unconstitutional.
2) the burkini did not evolve from male/patriarch mentality nor did it come from Muslims.
The genesis of the idea came from the Australian Surf Rescue who approached a Female Muslim sports cloths designer to come up with a costume to allow Muslim women to participate as volunteers with the Australian Surf Rescue.
3) the burkini is not only used by Muslim women but also hundreds of western non Muslim women who wear it for various reasons; to cover post op scares or skin blemishes, to protect from the sun especially by fair skinned women, by women who may feel embarrassed by their bodies, to mention a few.
Yes, sure
I would not be in same piscine with a person who wears burkini.
No,it is the only little bit of freedom that allows muslim women to go to the beach.No ,I am not a muslim
No. I think the burkini is ridiculous , but people should be free to wear ridiculous things if they want to. That is what democracy is about. Freedom of speech, freedom of dress, freedom of love, freedom of religion, freedom.
Haha 😂 tolerating and allowing the oppression of others 😂😂 right here with us, in our free countries, where we are all allowed to experience the absolutely free and self-determined life.
This is exactly the european missunderstanding of “freedom”, “tolerance” and “democracy”…
Ve Ri, I am not tolerating the oppression of others, that is nonsense, but these women have to make their own choices, you cannot force someone into freedom . Didn’t we learn enough from the wars between Catholics and Protestants?
Of course you do!!!!!? … 😳😳😳 burkini, burka,… these are nothing more than the ultimate (!!!) oppression of women. Honestly, how blinded can some persons be in their wish to absolutely tolerate everything – which is fine!!!! – but not if it’s tolerating the absolute intolerance.
And it should also NOT be that hard to understand that of course it is NOT your own choice or wish if you grew up experiencing all these women-oppressing attitudes and rules!!!
free to wear?, ridiculous!!! To say that is completely ridiculous, they have to, because they not Allowed to get in the water with out them. Two thirds of our planet is covered with water and they not allowed to get into, without to wear that ridiculous Piece of clothing. And how the fuck you are anyway, to tell a other human being what he have to do or thinking anyway! You are coming from the stone age and still in it, mankind is living in the 21 century now, So, let yourself die out and leave us, the rest alone, we don’t need you here!
That we even need to discuss!! this – especially in our world today!!! In the 21st century (not just the two of us) – is … is unbelievable
Ve Ri, it is a case of choosing your battles wisely. As long as there is no cutting up of innocent children’s body parts in the name of an imaginary friend, and as long as there is no sneaking in of Sharia Law that has no place in a secular democracy, we are talking about a silly piece of cloth! Who cares what people wear, we have had some pretty silly fashions in the West too. I don’t care if people are nudists or choose to hide under a body suit. I actually would love to see both in a beach coexisting happily. Fight for the important battles, a secular society, respect for secular law, and humanitarian values that have no reference to any imaginary friend in the sky.
*facepalm nothing more to add to your comment… try to reread and rethink. Not seeing the !whole! thing is not enough.
Ve Ri the burkini is the opposite of oppression.
It’s ironic you mention ” free self determined life” while arguing in favor of oppression of women’s choice to wear what they chose to wear.
Ve Ri for your information and further education.
People have short memories:
1) the highest courts in France ruled on various occasions that the burkini ban instituted last year on some French municipalities was unconstitutional.
2) the burkini did not evolve from male/patriarch mentality nor did it come from Muslims.
The genesis of the idea came from the Australian Surf Rescue who approached a Female Muslim sports cloths designer to come up with a costume to allow Muslim women to participate as volunteers with the Australian Surf Rescue.
3) the burkini is not only used by Muslim women but also hundreds of western non Muslim women who wear it for various reasons; to cover post op scares or skin blemishes, to protect from the sun especially by fair skinned women, by women who may feel embarrassed by their bodies, to mention a few.
No, let them boil in their own juice .
Definitely YES! When there are mandatory burkini rules in some countries and women are punished when they break against these rules then burkini represents the flagrant and selective oppression of women’s rights. We shall not even indirectly give any moral support to these regimes and their medieval practices.
Hmm, which countries is it mandatory to wear burkini? 😅
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It is much more important to do something against the fundamentalist groups in and around many mosques in Europe.
Yes! 50 years ago wasn t like that even in the muslim countries
yes, It is the ultimate oppression of women.
Nothing else but this!
and forcing women that want to wear it into other types of swim-wear isn’t?
This is a case of the pot calling the kettle black.
Women (and everybody, for that matter) should be free to wear whatever they bloody well like. including the Burkini, a full set of biking gear, medieval armour, or perhaps even such shamefull clothes as a t-shirt and blue jeans.
What are you saying islam do not discriminate women! They can even speak if their man allows them to.
Women who defends islams, and shame on the western culture (who at the end is moving towards ending sex discriminations)are silly
no, unless you use like fantasy clothes
damn, horny girl
If we went to live in one of the conservative Islamic nations..we will be asked to follow the rules there…so why not dress normally in the west when they relocate? I understand it is tradition or tradition crossed with religeous control which is mainly to give male gender supreme power..this is when religeon is twisted to suit the leader..instead of educating…and improving social issues…certain religeous figures…make it worse…
Unlike in conservative Islamic countries we have freedom in Europe for people to wear what they want to.
It is relative what you mean by “freedom.in Europe”…and clothingwise…some are obliged to wear and some are not…and still it comes down of conservativevthe gamily is and how attached they are to traditions and rules, do bare in mind, most Islamic nations were very much progressed until Western policies interfered and brought down kings and governments…and religeous leaders took over…therevaresimple yet complex issues that they need to come to terms and improve their way of thought…that is a big challenge cause each country has a bit different tradition or habits..and you need to take into consideration that Islam has its sectors too like Christianity has..too many details to look into
Last summer this was the number one issue of every racist, xenophobe and islamophobe – this year no one summer no one cares.
This proves these people are just haters looking for the next group to hate. We should not allow Europe to be defined by these people.
No matter for Naked women , but problem with burkini ! Strange.
I think the right question is:
“Is Islam compatible with democracy?”
The answer is no, in my opinion.
Real muslims, like all monotheistic people, despise freedom and temporal power. Christians and jews were born and developed alongside established state (merely Rome) so they grew up dealing with it.
Muslims never had to understand the difference beetwen state and religion. And they never will.
(Yeah there was an historical period in which islamic society developed great science and blah blahbut after that they stopped. For very well know doctrinal preaching of one guy blah blah blah.. read a book, i’m not here to spoonfeed you)
The problem is:
Integration is not the issue. Integration IS NOT working.
Let them in, in greater and greater numbers. Let our politicians bend our costumes and laws to allow theirs. Let so called lefwings preach about the importance of integration.
Integration is failing all over europe.
We can’t integrate all muslims, because the majority of THEM don’t want to follow democracy and freedom.
Wait for no more than a generation and Eu will becoming Eurabia. No more freedom of speech, no more freedom of religion or lack of it. We are going backwards on these issues.
And anyone who dare to point at the problem is either called “populist” or a “racist” (Fuck you ignorants).
None of anyones business
I think human stupidity should be banned…. That includes fanatism and all the things related with it, such as burkini.
No. It should however not be encouraged – one can be against the repression of women and be for freedom of religion.
Ask Nike about burkini !!
They are ruling!!
Ognuno ha diritto di vestirsi come vuole,dunque le donne non devono sentirsi obbligate né al bikini né al burkini
anche come un terrorista?
Yesssss
Clothes are not the problem. Problem is a culture that would kill their female children if showing hair. Clothes like this is banned because adressing the real issue is not pc
No the most burkinis look like a surfing suite, then it is also not allowed to wear protecting suits while surfing at sea….it is something else as it is be worned at indoor swimming pool due hygienic matters, but outside at sea it is no problem, as i said it looks like a surfers suit and it is mot oppresdive to these women
Yes. Off course.
Sim… lá temos que andar como elas cá elas têm que andar comi nós… É o chamado respeito mútuo
Just because Saudi Arabia is an oppressive state where the government tells people what they may not wear, doesn’t mean that we in Europe should.
Nude is the only way
Y….E…..S!!!!!!!!!!!!!
It should be banned to force them to wear burka, but if they want to wear it, they should have the choice!
Of course NOT. If I want to go into the sea in my T-shirt and jeans or in a kaftan and fruity hat, why shouldn’t I? How much interference do we need? Leave people alone!
But now Europe is judging dress codes at the beach? Really??
If you can see the whole face then NO. But if the face is covered even partially then YES it should be banned
Yes, Europe has other values!
Yes NAked in the beach
Do you realy think it’s worth debating on such a stupid thing?!
Yes. Let’s save our way of life – European way of life! No to multiculturalism from abroad!
In one word lets keep the racism and xenophobia !
If you don’t like freedoms and foreign influence, you’re free to leave the union, pay back all the tax money, and re-establish the wall.
Paulo Granadeiro In one word do you even understand the definition of “racism” or “xenophobia” – it seems not. By the way, do you have a secondary school degree? :)
Who started it first
Max Berre Sorry, my small friend, Europe is my home and I love the multiculturalism of European origin folks – it is amazing, but I do not see the way, how something which is totally strange have to invade this perfectly fitted way of life with so many different cultures inside Europe. The freedom is to feel free and enjoy the way of life in your home, but not the way of life coming from other places of planet. So, if you do not wish to feel like in your home and wish to get something new, what doesn’t belong to Europe, please feel free “to leave the union, pay back all the tax money, and re-establish the wall” in your mind.
Pankaj Kathait You mean?…
Pankaj Kathait Ah, sorry, I see, you meant British invasion to India… Okay. Please ask this question to Great Britain, not to me and not to other countries and folks of Europe, who didn’t done anything wrong to others for their whole history or at least for the main part of it. People in India also have fighting against British Empire to protect their homeland from invasion and to get Britons away. Same way we are trying to protect us from invaders (in cultural meaning) and it is our rights – rights of my country (Latvia), my folk and me personally. So please be so kind and don’t tell me this bullsh*t that I have to accept it only because someone from Germany, UK, France and other countries somewhen did anything bad to your folk. I didn’t support it and I don’t, by the way.
Yes, this is antifeminism and women slaving wearing act.
Yes! Let’s defend women’s freedom by telling them what they can or cannot wear. And why should Muslim women enjoy lower rates of melanoma than the rest of us?
Again its not about details but about the ideology behind. ..
You said nothing. Be frontal and speak out what you think, if you don’t want to elaborate, just say a Yes or No !!!
Some people like freedoms. Others don’t.
Paulo Granadeiro i did say it all but i will elaborate as u request : Again the problem is the ideology behind all this whatever it is (burka,Burkini,jellaba,terrorism ,polygamy,child mariage,hate teaching ) .so in simple words i would not care what kind of swimsuit girls wear if there is no ideology behind it
Yep.
Freedom of expression, to wear what is best for the individual!
European values are about wearing whatever you want, so NO.
Make all sense !
Enough with divers suit for women
If those women want to wear it than why should anyone tell them not to..it’s fucking embarrassing having this topic even taken seriously. If I want to wear agricultural shoes and a furry hat whose has the permission to tell me not to wear it in my free time??
All human beings be treated equally .there must be no disparity in gender .if make demands burqua for female then female also demand make should wear burqua or else there is no meaning in burqua clad .
Only in retaliation if they try to stop us from shooting pornos in Saudi.
So you want OUR freedoms in the west to be contingent on internal freedoms in saudi barbaria?!
Perhaps reciprocity is not the answer then, removing the current state of [religious] divisiveness would take away the adrenalin factor.
Yes because it’s not a matter of choice. It offends me as a woman even when I look at it.
So you are more important than another woman who freely choose to be dress on the beach !
Tomorrow you will forbid the handy capt people to be in public places because it offended you as woman without any handy capacity !
The name for your behaviour is xenophobia.
Paulo Granadeiro these women are brainwashed since birth an I feel sorry for them. Not for you though. This has nothing to do with handicaped people. If I visit these women’s countries they force upon me their dress code.
Human rights are universal. Opression on human rights cannot be justified by culture.
Ever actually ASK what they think about it?
The vast majority of them choose to wear what they do. In that way their choice of clothes is influenced by their culture, which is exactly the same as with the rest of us. I’ve seen British and Irish people shocked by how Germans and French people would swim or sunbathe naked at the beach and lakes. Do those people need to be forcibly liberated from their conservative brainwashing?
There is a core of human rights which is common to every human being and no cultural or religious beliefs can be an excuse to violate them.
I am sure you would agree with me in the case of women being stoned to death legally or legally raped, invoking culture or religion.
Deixem viver!!!! Não sejam cretinos!!
Still on this? Sooo 2016! Get over it!
More like 1916
Yes. Allowing it is sharia compliance and submission to a doctrine that promotes a hostile culture. In fact, as long as any element of the hybrid threat known as Islam is present in Europe, we will continue to have serious problems.
Isn’t that how the Russians felt about Finnish culture back in the day?
False equivalence, finnish culture does not want to convert or kill anyone non finnish. Whereas Islam commands its followers to fight the unbelievers – that is anyone that isn’t a follower of Islam – until all the unbelievers either submit and become dhimmis and pay protection money known as jizya not to be killed, or until they convert to Islam, or until all nonbelievers are killed.
You’re being apologetic about something you clearly do not understand. Read the trilogy of texts that together form the doctrine of Islam:
1) https://www.thereligionofpeace.com/pages/muhammad/Guillaume–Life%20of%20Muhammad.pdf
2) https://quran.com/
3) https://sunnah.com/
Irrelevant. Few Muslims behave as if their religion tells them to kill or conquer. It is no more relevant to the debate than parts of the Bible which contain similar commands.
There are issues for sure, with integration of Muslim migrants in Europe. But by defining them as irredeemably hostile as a culture, you’re not helping us to move forward at all.
Debating Europe!!! Should Politicians be banned!!! hmm please place your vote below ☝️
If they can force to remove metal detectors from a mosque there, than we can for sure force them to wear no burkinis here.
Don’t be ignorant – check the facts and your statement.
So you are one of those who wants to make OUR freedoms dependent on THEIR internal policy?
Why such a weak commitment to freedom?
How is this even an argument?
Never ever! This is just as idiotic as banning black suits for bankers.
If the state shall determine what to wear, then are we close to a totalitarian state – in my opinion.
Let’s ban all the ghosts dresses during carnival in Europe, we never know whose inside
I’m against bans but I’m even more against the burkini and the conservatism it represents. It should be basically be pointed out through debates how ridiculous this is instead of using laws to stop women from wearing it
Ridiculous is a relative classification so… who can say what is rediculous to all ? Donwe have a forced common values ? Interesting…
That’s an even more interesting debate. What are values in final analysis . But I would say that covering up is not so much a problem as it’s the mentality that accompanies it on many issues .Religious freedom is important ofcourse but isn’t all these pieces of clothing ending up separating us in little boxes and dividing us ?
I agree. If people want to see fewer women wearing burkas, use free speech to make a point, not the force of the state.
People in Europe if they choose to be naked , they can be naked if they choose to wear a swimming suit , they wear a swimming suit. What changes if they want to wear a burkini!
We live in europe not in The caliphate…so these ppl must obey our laws… they arent above the law
there are no ‘laws’ about what you can or cannot wear o the besach to swim!!!!
What is the law that forbid burkini and where (country) ?
Sorry, both are right on that
If made in material that doesn’t aggravate the danger of drawing, and let the face uncover, I can’t see any reason to forbid it unless preconception.
This scum is here to kill us not to integrate our society
This scum as you call them, have members in which the people chose to be prime minister of Portugal, mayor of London and others prominent citizens in all countries.
Are you forgeting the red necks of US/AUSTRALIA and the low lifes of so many countries in Europe ?
That’s a disgusting thing to say. You could be a Nazi referring to Jews with a statement like that.
You are the only scum here.
It’s nothing else than a wetsuit, why should one want to ban it?
Xenophobia !
Paulo Granadeiro I think so…
to what extent does a cultural expression affect the moral standards of a modern society? if we see children banned to attend the swimming pool, or covered in a hot summer day, are we supposed to act against those values or should we just wait until the different cultures adopt the hosting country standards? I don’t see a risk in the short term, but creating social guetos means breaking the society into second and first class citizens.
Lol, should t-shirts be banned? Should the way some people walk be banned too?
exactly!
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Yes ! It is not ok to rise and encourage the extreme gesture of religios people. You can be decent without being completely covered and promothing that women body is the gate to hell .
I have a general problem with laws which dictate what people are allowed to wear. Next we’ll have thought police going around telling us what to think.
Of course not. People should go around dressed, or undressed, as they want
Should we make everybody who looks different disappear? Easy yes? Wtf about human rights and crap? You let dogs have rights swim who are you to tell how the people go to swim in decency?
What is Decency, what’s wrong if I swime Naked.
Joe Grixti there are beaches for people who enjoy nude.decency look it up pal
Why banned it? Burkini sounds amaizing since one doesnt need to wax!
Yes!!!!
Of course it should not be banned. How is this even a debate?!
YES..if they want to practice thier. Islam they should go Home…They need Europe. EUROPE don’t need them…
You dont need to debate .. answer is YES …
sim.
Let’s call things by by its rightful name and stop being such hypocrites. In other words; this isn’t about clothing.
I would have preferred more women In burkini than we have.
Yes. Cause is not about ones choice to wear whatever he/ she wants. Is obligated by religion. So YES, ban now!
I have no problem with the burkini, the burkha though should be banned.
If I want to wear a burka on a whim, no man or the horse he rode in on should be able to stop me.
Penso que para proteger a moral e os bons costumes do homem muçulmano, ele é que devia evitar ou até ser proibido de ir à praia ou piscina. Como não conseguem controlar os seus instintos básicos, seria o melhor para eles. Aqueles que já estão mais evoluídos poderiam acompanhar as suas esposas e familiares de igual modo como os restantes. De calções e biquínis.
What a lame statement.
People have short memories:
1) the highest courts in France ruled on various occasions that the burkini ban instituted last year on some French municipalities was unconstitutional.
2) the burkini did not evolve from male/patriarch mentality nor did it come from Muslims.
The genesis of the idea came from the Australian Surf Rescue who approached a Female Muslim sports cloths designer to come up with a costume to allow Muslim women to participate as volunteers with the Australian Surf Rescue.
3) the burkini is not only used by Muslim women but also hundreds of western non Muslim women who wear it for various reasons; to cover post op scares or skin blemishes, to protect from the sun especially by fair skinned women, by women who may feel embarrassed by their bodies, to mention a few.
So if you wear a black wetsuit you get arrested as well?
No
Because you Can Wear whatever you Want to wear.
I dont Care which country it is.
Not everone are opressed from parents, or religion.
Most have chosen it
What a ridiculous question . Haven’t we got better (or worse) things to worry about?
Still waiting for an interesting question
Don’t care
You can not bann burkini prior to banning religions. Ideally banning religions with a magic stick would solve lots of conflicts and wars, but it would at the same time destroy freedom. So NO, may Europe take care of realistic and more important questions.
Let’s ban ppl from swimming with clothes then, as well.
Let’s ban ppl from swimming with clothes then, as well.
Let’s ban ppl from swimming with clothes then, as well.
Let’s ban ppl from swimming with clothes then, as well.
Let’s ban ppl from swimming with clothes then, as well.
Let’s ban ppl from swimming with clothes then, as well.
Let’s ban ppl from swimming with clothes then, as well.
Why not? If you shouldn’t wear a bathing suite in a naturist beach….
going to swim with burkini is like combing your bald head
Should respect to opinion, preference, and moral values of others. It’s human rights to fulfill and practice own belief..
How is this even an issue? You all are like a bunch of judgmental school girls it’s just clothes.
How is this even an issue? You all are like a bunch of judgmental school girls it’s just clothes.
How is this even an issue? You all are like a bunch of judgmental school girls it’s just clothes.
How is this even an issue? You all are like a bunch of judgmental school girls it’s just clothes.
How is this even an issue? You all are like a bunch of judgmental school girls it’s just clothes.
How is this even an issue? You all are like a bunch of judgmental school girls it’s just clothes.
How is this even an issue? You all are like a bunch of judgmental school girls it’s just clothes.
This isnt just a choice about fashion. It is about letting muslim people treat women as inferior beings. We should not tolerate that. If they are too closed minded to “allow” women with a bikini or swimsuit, they can just stay AT home. We shouldn’t allow the institutionalisation of such gender violence.
si può andare nei paesi islamici con la minigonna?
The burkini should not be banned, but people should not be forced to treat women to wear it the same way they treat women who wear a bikini
No. Don’t be silly.
Should women be allowed to fucking wear what they want?
Women can wear what they want.
NO, why?they can wear what they want….some go naked and nobody complain.
I only think that any kind of clothing that covers the face should be banned from the Europe. The other kinds, I compare them like the nuns, priest and monks habits. If we’re going to ban ones, we need to ban all.
Muito bem visto Hugo!
Why this story again? Should we ban diver’s wetsuits? Nuns at the beach? Me wearing my long dresses and headscarves close to the sea? What about those asian ladies who don’t want to get tanned and think that the burkini is the best idea ever to keep their skin fair during the summer?
Why would anyone be forced to undress in a place where there is no legal dresscode?
If there’s no written legislation about dress code, that doesn’t mean there’s none…
Europe culture is well known, respect it, if you want to be respected…
Catholic nuns are part of european culture… And so is WEARING WHATEVER THE HELL YOU WANT, because we still live in democracies
Dress code for the beach… “Beach”, please…
should be banned in swimming pools
because it carries infections due to the large volume of textile implied which can be dirty IN France , event short trousers are banned for this reasons ( but you have to wear a small head cover , male or female )
wow…
Is it really a debate ?
NO!
That is how should look like women’s diver uniform :)
Nada tem a ver com os preceitos originais do Corão, sendo um símbolo de uma facção castrante e autocrática, no seio do mundo islâmico. Neste caso específico até considero que é o chamado “acoutrement riidicule”. Mas cada um veste-se como quer, desde que não viole as regras sociais fundamentais, o que aqui não sucede
Everyone has the right to choose theyr clothes! I may be an atheist, but love to cover my body by the watter, so i would not get sun burned.
And many non Muslim women do just that.
What an intolerant question… of course one shouldn’t ban anything that is in fact more moral and ethical than the rest. Banning nudity to preserve order, dignity and decency in a society is the mirror question. It’s probably obvious to all which one of the two is more reasonable to ban, but the best is not too ban anything and let society churn out the result by itself. A naked body disturbs kids more than a properly dressed one, I suppose… Peace
A naked body disturbs more than a dressed one? Yes, it might be so in our society in which the nudity is considered unnatural publicly, but it doesn´t seem to be so, for example, in many places in Africa. So, this is question of habits and culture (climates makes the difference, too).
Todo adereço que oculta a identidade de uma pessoa tem de ser proibido.
A burkini dies not hide identity.
Estamos na Europa e não nas arábias, Antonio Anastasi se estás a favor do burkini ou da burka sai, vai viver para as arábias.
not banned in Tel aviv, but in Europe…. hahahahahah
Ridículo!!!! Meu Deus!!
Ridículo!!!! Meu Deus!!
Ridículo!!!! Meu Deus!!
Ridículo!!!! Meu Deus!!
Ridículo!!!! Meu Deus!!
Ridículo!!!! Meu Deus!!
Ridículo!!!! Meu Deus!!
Why? People have short memories:
The genesis of the idea for the Burkini came from the Australian Surf Rescue who approached a Female Muslim sports cloths designer to come up with a costume to allow Muslim women to participate as volunteers with the Australian Surf Rescue.
The burkini is not only used by Muslim women but also by hundreds of western non Muslim women who wear it for various reasons; to cover post op scares or skin blemishes, to protect from the sun especially by fair skinned women, by women who may feel embarrassed by their bodies, to mention a few.
If some dork wants to look like shark bait who cares?
If someone wants to live his life the way he lived it in his country before coming to Europa than go back in your country!
You may want to know that:
The genesis of the idea for the need of a burkini came from the Australian Surf Rescue who approached a Female Muslim sports cloths designer to come up with a costume to allow Muslim women to participate as volunteers with the Australian Surf Rescue.
the burkini is not only used by Muslim women but also hundreds of western non Muslim women who wear it for various reasons; to cover post op scares or skin blemishes, to protect from the sun especially by fair skinned women, by women who may feel embarrassed by their bodies, to mention a few.
Yes, definitly.
Why? Than you have to forbid surfing wet suits too!! One thing it’s to forbid the burqa, because you can’t see a person’s face, and it might raise security issues, but the hijab, or the burkini, it’s just plain dumb to forbid it. You’ll be as much a tyrant as the ones who want them to use it.
burkini is a symbol of a religion based on everything other than love and respect, so, yes, we should ban burkinis and the islam …for good
I am once more posting this because it’s obvious you missed the previous posts.
People have short memories:
1) the highest courts in France ruled on various occasions that the burkini ban instituted last year on some French municipalities was unconstitutional.
2) the burkini did not evolve from male/patriarch mentality nor did it come from Muslims.
The genesis of the idea came from the Australian Surf Rescue who approached a Female Muslim sports cloths designer to come up with a costume to allow Muslim women to participate as volunteers with the Australian Surf Rescue.
3) the burkini is not only used by Muslim women but also hundreds of western non Muslim women who wear it for various reasons; to cover post op scares or skin blemishes, to protect from the sun especially by fair skinned women, by women who may feel embarrassed by their bodies, to mention a few.
Dejenos a los europeos con nuestra vida y con los derechos adquiridos y a los musulmanes que luche y que consigue sus derechos si los quiere!
Burkini isnt problem in Europe, problem is that so many islamist extremists arrived in Europe, and that is what we have to ban. We have to send them back where they came from, all of them. Then we will not waste our time on stupid debates like this one.
The beach, the pool in TODAY’S society at large has a fashionable dress code for ‘bathing beauties’. And *that* certainly is not it!
I don’t see men being ALL covered up -and not only when splashing in the water and swimming- in the HOT SUMMER WEATHER.
Ban it.
Burkini are fashionable and also designed by top French and Italian designers like Dolce&Gabbana.
I dress my child in a full body bathing suit when we go to the beach to protect him from the effects, the lethal effects of the sun, so why should women be stopped from wearing a burkini, when it’s the ideal dress for the beach.
The burkini is not only used by Muslim women but also hundreds of western non Muslim women who wear it for various reasons; to cover post op scares or skin blemishes, to protect from the sun especially by fair skinned women, by women who may feel embarrassed by their bodies, to mention a few.
No. Why?
Definitely YES.
Security issues. I mean, an armed man could be under that dress.
i hopes trolling
of course not. ridiculous. ban fat pot bellied white blokes, they are offensive! ban angry right wing nut jobs telling us what to do! ban goth heavy metal freaks, theyre just eew! definitely ban people who want to ban things! in fact ban summer, that would be great.
If it wasnt from a oppressive religious lot I wouldn’t mind.
Simply it is a advertisement for oppression.
To make your coo ent implies that you think that Islam is a homogenous group.
It’s not. The apart that Islam is made up of various denominations, the practice of Islam is as diverse as the cultures it represents.
As for oppression, where women are concerned, many Muslim majority have a higher parliamentary representation than many other countries including the USA.
Yes do your washing at home!!!
No. Everybody has the right to dress as they wish. The burqa is different question. The burqa impedes to see the face of the person next to you, which is a security risk, and after all, the burqa is just cultural phenomenon, not religious as the experts of islam confirm.
You can not bann he way that someone condact the world.If a woman of muslim origin can’t wear what she’s comfortible going around,in fact you diprive her the right of access to the sea-not a reasonble and a european way alltogether
Yesss!!!
No. Freedom
yes they should be banned
I think it should be banned.
And the basis for my opinion is that it discourages the process of assimilation. That is, a Muslim woman who does NOT want to wear the suit could be forced to by her family because there are no laws protecting against such situations.
And for the women who do want to wear the suit but would be prohibited by law, I ask this: What is the reason for living in Europe and not in more puritan societies? Isn’t it because you like the western culture and its ways? If you are unwilling to assimilate whatsoever, why bother going/ staying in Europe?
Also, let’s have an analogy; Some Amazonian tribes’ traditional clothing covers nothing but the genitals. If members of the same tribe decided to move to France, for instance, would it be deemed acceptable for them to be walking barely clothed in the streets?
Basta minchiate !!
YES! YES! YES! it is ugly, wear a bathing suit!!!
It is a bathing suit.
ofcourse not. There is no valid reason to do so, just : I THINK ITS UGLY. Which is as simple as saying I dont like brocoli.
Its retarded that we want to see more skin as westeners and that a woman cant even chose to not do so.
The common currency should be banned
https://www.facebook.com/Exposing0Britain0First/posts/1903918086541145
its not a burqa though
Arnout Posthumus if you are referring to the Burkini no it’s not but, ditto fit the video, but I think that some of the arguments brought up in the video apply to burkini and burqa.
ofc not.
Ach, who cares? In the early 20th century, men and women in Europe wore swimming suits that fully covered their thighs and torso, and nobody made a fuzz. However, having seen it in action, let me just tell you that the burkini is wholly unsuited to cover up whatever modesty, as the wet clothing clings to the body and simply accentuates its outline. If you are serious about beachground modesty, please consider a standard diving dress.(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/5/5f/Gradbi%C5%A1%C4%8De_hidroelektrarne_O%C5%BEbalt_1958%2C_potaplja%C4%8D.jpg).
You are obsessed with banning stuff lol
Yes !
In North Korea, there is a law that adult men are allowed a maximum hair-length of 2cm. Unless they are balding, in which case they are allowed 4cm.
PENALTIES FOR VIOLATION ARE SEVERE.
I’m not interested in living having THE STATE tell us all how to think, feel, and dress.
Not sure what exactly you have against freedom, Commissar Wening.
They are the religious idiots who wears black sintetic dress under the sun.
Should i care? as long as they are identificable there no problem
Inanclara saygi ile bakilir.
The beliefs are respected.
If Muslims do not ‘respect’ our beliefs why should we respect theirs ?
https://www.reuters.com/article/us-france-muslims-idUSKCN11O0ET
Asuman Its a poll that show 30% of Muslims in France agree will killing innocent European women & Children in the name of Islam, which is probably why your government censors it.
Asuman If your government is censoring your news clearly you are not free.
Asuman How are you free when your government decides what you can and cannot know ?
Asuman Keleşoğlu
If Hamas stops using children as human shields and stops attacking Israel then their children will not die.
You are blaming the wrong people.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cWtEjsbJ_kE
Ivan Türkiye’ye turist olarak gelin,gezin,görün cok beğeneceksiniz.Türk kebap,baklava,lokum,börek,denizi,kumu,gölleri,peri bacalari,Camiler,Kiliseler ,Havralar i hep bir arada kültür zenginliğimize hayran kalirsiniz
Ivan, come to turkey as a tourist, travel, you’ll love it. Turkish kebab, Baklava, marshmallow, fritters, sea, sand, lakes, fairy chimneys, mosques, churches, synagogues I always admire the culture of culture
Ivan,,,Çok sabit fikirlere sahipsin,,,tek tarafli bakiyorsun Dünya’ya.Bu Dünya hepimizin
Ivan,,, you have very hard ideas,,, you’re looking at the world. This world is all of us
Bu Burka degil Haşema, Diger adi Mayo.
This is not a burka, it’s miraclesuits, it’s the other name swimsuit.
Why? Europe stands for freedom, as long as an action doesn’t compromised freedom of others it is totally acceptable. Period.
Will you think the same when the ideology behind the burka is applied to parts of your life ?
First of all is a religion and not an ideology, second the only religion that has been applied during all my life has been an unwanted Catholicism, third i just said that anybody’s freedom ends where starts the one of someone else. The burka is just a dress, anybody can wear it one moment and take it of the moment after. That’s freedom.
Jack Firstly you are wrong, it is an ideology when it covers both the religious and the political parts of its followers lives. Can I take it you will be happy to live under Islamic law as a none believer ?
https://www.thereligionofpeace.com/pages/quran/hell-and-hate.aspx
Ivan
You are not following…1)We don’t live in a regime of sharia and we will never 2) anybody can profess its own religion but can’t impose it to others. But if you are the one trying to forbid something that really doesn’t harm anybody (wearing a scarf for example) it is you that is wrong. I can see your point on ideology = religion but that is only for institutionalized belivers….people can follow a religion without being that istitutionalized and actually it’s usually the case.
Jack We can only hope your attitude of ‘We don’t live in a regime of sharia and we will never’ doesn’t come back to haunt us..
Because that’s pretty much what they said in Russia 1916 and Germany in 1931. A pit it cost the lives of 200 million people before people woke up to the reality of totalitarian ideology.
Just like the Socialists of the West that buried their heads in the sand you are just “Useful idiots” of the religion of peace..
https://voiceofeurope.com/2017/11/france-needs-sharia-law-avoid-civil-war-says-professor/.
Ivan you don’t fight radicalism with radicalism. I know plenty of Muslim which will be horrified by thoughts like the kind you attribute to them. Also, in Russia they were living in conditions comparable to the one of sharia from many perspectives and in Germany they were so desperate and fearful just before the rise of hitler that the people listen to radical discourses. Exactly the one you are doing man. We should learn from history and study it not citing it at random just to appear we know what we are talking about. And peace is a much better path than war, a tougher but braver way of living.
Dear Commissar Szilagyi:
My family risked their lives to escape the iron curtain 30 years ago. Not interested in living having THE STATE tell us all how to think, feel, and dress.
Sorry.
Big Brother is watching.
War Is Peace.
Freedom Is Slavery
Ignorance Is Strength.
YESSSSSSSSSS!. Is disgusting.
I find topless, drunk, sunburned gammons on the beach far more offensive.
So do I, especially those with fat beer bellies….ewwww.
Who cares? This is BS! Debating this is like debating weather to paint the walls red or blue when the house is on fire. United Europe has much more pressing matters to resolvethan swim suit fashion.
No, abolish the welfare state. It’ll have the same effect.
No. how is this even a serious question?
Why this weird obsession with what women wear?. Who cares what anyone wears
It is same as divers suit. Why to ban it?
So what’s next? We ban to be stupid in public?
Why is this even discussed here!?
And, no there should be no ban.
It is a personal and religious right to wear whatever you want. A free society must be able to stand above such topics. However, it should be a matter of member states. The EU should tackle social wellfare, research, infrastructure, unemployment, military, foreign policies, economic convergence and mugration (fair asylum system harmonization, exterior border management).
Families indoctrine childgirls with ideology thats why they -becoming teenagers and women- ashamed to wear normal swimming dress in 40°. It’s not some kind of fashion like jeans or red skirt.
Who cares?
No. It is also very usable if u don’t want to tan.
Yes!! This is Europe!!
No! People should wear whatever they please, this is a free world.
Or just be naked, cause not wearing what they please is also freedom
Why ban don’t you think it’s depend on person what he likes to wear come on
Yes, by all means: Lets just introduce a fashion police, just like every in Islamist state who enforces women to wear the things we oh so despise. The sheer irony of it would simply be brilliant.
Ofc not… People have the right to wear whatever they want
She has the right to wear that, but I have a right not to be staired on the street by guys,mostly muslims coz they havent seen a women in a t-shirt before!
I think every ostentatious religios simbol should be banned in the European space, including huge gispsy style croses.
Yes, it’s a sign of women’s oppression
Nope! individual liberty
As we respect Arab law in their countries they should respect us without
Everyone’s is losers here , are they going to keep it closed as far as these girls coming there with Burkini?
Hell yes
absolutly the burkini and the SHARIA
this should be a matter just of hygiene not of moral. When they are specifically designed for swimming why would anyone care..
Stop making rules about women body’s and women clothing, if they want to be fully cover it’s OK, if they want to be topless it’s OK!
Mind your own body and let others mind theirs.
I find burkini illogical, I do not know what they hide when you can see every curve of the body. But I am against the ban, as long as the faces are not covered.
The state shouldn’t dictate to people how to dress unless they are state employees. Aside from that, a person’s face should be visible in public, unless there are specific reasons for it to be hidden (e.g. the necessity to wear a medical mask in case of sickness, or headgear when riding a motorbike).
Yes, if I can’t ware a bikini in Muslim countries they can’t ware burkini in Europe.
YES !
Why should it be banned, jeez
As far as I know, Europe is a free society. But one with a few rules. I am not allowed to walk down the street naked. I have to cover my “undercarriage” and women also have to cover their “uppercarriage”. Now if someone wants to take this a little further, who am I to object? It’s their own business. If I want to go into the sea in a full suit and tie and top hat, so what?. Leave people to get on with their lives!
hear hear!
For a country supposedly built on values of “liberty..fraternity..equality ” France seems obsessed with controlling what people wear. It’s no business of the state to interfere with how people dress except in very specific instances….eg passport checks..witness at courts etc…these can be managed appropriately.
Why, what’s the difference between what that lady has on to someone wearing a diving or surfing suit? Ban diving and surfing suits too then.
People who ‘have to’ wear it should be banned…
Great so not only can they not dress freely they’re also not allowed to swim.
It has nothing to do with a dress code.. It’s about convictions and beliefs that have no place in Europe.
Can we also ban the millions of neo-nazis and white supremacists then?
It’s an hard question. Maybe we must have an higher religious and cultural tolerance.
If they want to wear burkini, then go to Iran or Saudi Arabia
Great use of logic there
I thought nations and religions were two different things
this has nothing to do with religion. This is all about a Dictatorship. Off course leftists dont understand, what I mean
I agree. If she wants to wear a burkini she should go back to her country of origin. If she wants tp stay in France she has to integrate, not other way round
And for those born in France?
those born in France should integrate into French culture. Now they wear a burkini, the next thing you know they will be frowning on somone who wears a 👙 bikini. Anway there are billions of muslims in the world, I dont think they’re reproducing with their clothes on. They just want to impose their way on others, even more in most cases it’s not even their country of origin. Ps. Being born in France does not automatically make it your county of origin !
French culture? Maybe you need to read some Voltaire, study some history… you know, “religious tolerance” is a concept developed during the enlightenment… 😂 You ignorant
once you get ruled over, very soon. You will have to be very tolerant, don’t worry.
how about reading ‘The Protestant Ethic and spirit of Capialism’, by Max Weber. Maybe you’ll enlighten your self..
god forbid someone might frown at someone else in a free and open society
Rights for whites eh?
very cynical of you but soon they will be regulating YOUR dress in your OWN Country !
We should..
people should wear nothing declare their religion
Yes for hygienic reason. I have been obliged to buy a new swimming costume because mine was a non regular boxer. Why does EU creates a lot of norms of which Muslims are excluded to follow. Why the law is applied to white Europeans and not to non European Muslims…. Tell me please. Is EU backing discrimination?
it’s not so.much the swimming costumes that are unhygienic as what they cover.
found all the time exception for Muslims lead to communautarist. At the e d we shall have the charia for everybody…
is a wet suit illegal?
Next time I shall go naked to swimming pool
Yes, of course, then we forbid to wear sandals and socks! This offends the values I grew up with!!
it’s Europe, so its European ones. They are the ones importing their culture of submission
Is an European thing wear sandals and socks?
It’s a European thing to wear what you like
Exactly… Burkini too!
you are right, the burkini is the product of a culture of submission. But how would forcing women NOT to wear it make things better? Wouldn’t it just be the same exact thing? Thong swimming bottoms are the product of a culture of appearance and some people don’t agree with that either; plus, if we want to make it a matter of good taste (“burkinis are ugly”), many people don’t like seeing men and women expose their adipose tissue on the beach either, but we don’t come up and say it’s against our culture of being skinny. Same goes with sandals and socks, like Cinzia said 😁
If you think there is a culture of submission behind the choice of wearing a “burkini” (by the way, a burqa covers your face while this is just a strange diving suit), then let’s try fix it through education. But honestly as long as we make sure women are not FORCED to wear it, why would we change it? What if I just decided to wear it for the heck of it?
Also, I am really considering getting one to my sister because she basically can’t expose herself to the sun or she will get sunburnt 😂
there are some feet in this world which should NEVER be seen in public.
as Latins said “De gustibus non est disputandum”! Could be that they were already talking about sandals… but I am not judging other people’s feet!
Why? It doesn’t do any harm to anyone!!!
Burkini should NOT be banned.
Yes, of course.
In the name of womens rights: women should not be allowed to dress however they want. It might offend.
No! Stop telling women what they can and can’t wear
Mind give me one reason, why should you decide what should woman wear?
Yes of course one hundred percent, just for one reason, you can’t look and see tye women body 😏 on the beach with burkini, which is the reason for 69%of men who goes to beach or even swimming pool,
Second, wearing clothes is now an old fashioned, therefore should be banned it, what are you guys stone age human being? As matter of fact clothes should be banned everywhere, we should walk, work and study naked, just go and read hundreds of thousands of articles that talks about the benefits of working and sleeping naked
Third, burkini remind us with Burkinafasso which is a country somewhere in Asia, and for god sake, we are in Europe, who love buriniafasso should go to burkinafasso and there wear burkini
Fourth, in middle ages we (men) used to decided how long the women should wear and what to wear, now we are in 21 century, get developed and upgraded that we decided how short the women should wear and what to wear, do expect us to give up on that right to women?
At the end, if that wasn’t obvious, it is a sarcasm comment, to show how ridiculous the question is. I hope i was able to deliver that message correctly, “leave women alone thank you “
There is a diference betwen women wearing burkini and women bathing dressed. A burkini, why not.?
It’s not really a ban on clothes but rather a ban on religious symbols. The French society bans most symbols irrespective of which religion the owner adheres to if the symbol clearly and openly manifests a person’s religious belief. The law on Laïcité has been in place since 1905 so I don’t really understand why it’s is causing such a fuss now.
what happened to empowerment and emanzipation and interreligious and intercultural dialogue?
The question is why should it ever exist in the first place . By being overly dogmatic, some Muslim communities only hurt themselves and make life complicated for Muslim women in order to do simple everyday things like swimming
Yes this is the rule in France.. Because of hygien… You must wear tied swimming costume… Why to make exception are Muslims above the laws…
We should be extra careful when seting rules that hinder personal expression. However I would like to know the true reasons for caring about someone’s outifit.. eg maybe burkas make a mess in the face recognition algorithms running behind public cameras, or a man may be behind one or someone may carry weapons under the robes and so on. For one thing I wouldn’t care and in fact I would promote diversuty.
Yes, it should be banned. I can’t go in a pool dressed. As burkas should be banned as well.
There are more important issues first to be addressed. And I as man wear something like this as sun protection.
Not hygienic in a swimming pool..
Absolutely, not only in Europe, everywhere in the world
Why is it being discussed? Are we concerned about their vitamin D production?
Don’t surfist wear similar outfits?
Vive la France. I like their approach
My 7 year old granddaughter wears long-sleeved swimsuit in the summer to protect her body from too much sun. As a kid in the 50s i never got smeared in sun cream. Chill out everybody…
Yes and diving wetsuits should be banned as well
How is it anyone’s bussiness, what kind of swimwear people use? It’s like a diving suit, but since it has a religious conotation, it should be banned? That’s so stupid. Why is this even an issue?
Hey it’s STUPID, but as long as these zealots don’t interfere or bother regular people in any way, fine. Wear a tweed suit to swim in if you want.
As long as Saudi Arabia stops killing people for kissing on the street I am ok with it. Oh, wait…
In Rome behave like Romans do. What will happened if a French or european lady go bikini or topless @ arab countries?????????
Should the burkini be banned on the beaches…? No, although it’s just another perverted form of attack on public liberties by encouraging retrograde religious limitations. But if this is a step towards absolute liberty on the beaches, I no longer see any reason to forbid fully naked bathing. (Yet the ones defending the liberty of wearing burkinis will be the first ones to opose naked bathing).
Swimming pools in France forbid men’s long shorts for swimming and all dressed up women because of hygiene, à swimming pool is not a washing machine but with all those loose fiber clothing it clogs the filters and it’s very unhygienic, hence the rules about burkinis in swimming pools, please inform yourself first before jumping to conclusions , thank you :)
A ban of burkini would simply mean that some women won’t be able to go to a beach, which is just sad. If they want to bath fully dressed who am I to judge?