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What were the root causes of Brexit? Was it about sovereignty and “taking back control”? Was it about immigration? Was it just a chance to give David Cameron’s government a good kicking?

Globalisation, immigration, lows wages, de-industrialisation – all of these have been blamed as root causes of Brexit. On the other hand, some argue that was no “real reason” why people voted for Brexit, because “Leavers” are all different and all had different motivations. This is obviously true, but it’s also unhelpful when trying to craft a policy response – it’s better to try and consider broadly the reasons that motivated the largest number of people.

We had a comment sent in by Duncan, who argued that Brexit was the symptom, not the disease. Unless European leaders can diagnose the root causes of Brexit, they will be unable to stop it happening again:

Image of a citizenI have said it before, but it’s still true so I will say it again. Brexit was not the problem, it was a symptom. If symptoms go unnoticed then things get worse. The EU needed to change how it did things a long time ago if it really wanted the UK to stay. If it doesn’t want more countries to leave then it must change how it does things now. Maybe it’s already too late, maybe not. Only time will tell.

We recently had the chance to put Duncan’s question to Jean-Claude Juncker, President of the European Commission. Here’s what he had to say:

jean-claude-junckerThis is a simple question [with] thousands of answers. Of course, Brexit means that something is wrong in Europe. But Brexit means also that something was wrong in Britain.

If, over 40 years, you are explaining to your general public that the European Union is stupid, that it is worth nothing, that you have to leave, that European Union membership is not bringing any advantages to your population – you can’t be surprised if the day that you ask people: ‘Do you want to stay or do you want to leave?’ – that a too high number of British, in the case we are discussing, are expressing the view that it’s better to leave.

On Europe, there are so many lies. There are so many half-truths which are circulated around, that one cannot be surprised. But I’m not giving to the British vote only this explanation. I do think there was a European message in there too.

Why did the British vote for Brexit? What were the root causes of Brexit? And how can the EU prevent more countries following the UK out the exit door? Let us know your thoughts and comments in the form below, and we’ll take them to policymakers and experts for their reactions!

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What do YOU think?

  1. avatar
    Ivan Burrows

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    Simply because the British people have an inbuilt love of democracy & a history of fighting ‘European’ dictatorships.

    • avatar
      Stathis....Goulis

      Thank you very much….you open my eyes ….I just now realize that I live in dictatorship…(LOL)

    • avatar
      Christine Constable

      I think sadly you do, the EU doesn’t listen and won’t change, that is a feature of a dictatorship, your views do not matter and many of the people controlling your life are not elected.

    • avatar
      Richard

      Spot on, Ivan. The present shower “running” the EU appear to have VERY short memories. Without the British they wouldn’t even have the pointless EU. Hitler would have made sure of that! We in Britain have now realised that the EU is turning into a dictatorship. Hence – we want OUT!

  2. avatar
    Andrej Němec

    Because they are proud to be different. In fact they are not so different but the nationalists made them think that they are. But now it’s too late and for them to be welcomed back to the club it will be a very painful path.
    Time to make rules respected.
    No single market without free movement of people and tariffs on British services and products!

    • avatar
      Paul X

      Care to explain why to have a free market you must have free movement?

    • avatar
      Tarquin Farquhar

      @Andrej Němec
      We don’t have regrets on our Brexit vote – checkout the latest poll, oh biased one!

      The EU will at best stagnate for the next 2 decades like Japan – being in the EU for the UK is like being shackled to a dead corpse i.e. we won’t be wanting to re-join the EU, even WHEN you ask us to.

      As regards your tariff threat, tariffs work both ways – Spain’s tourism, Italy’s wine, Germany’s car production would suffer drastically if tariffs start getting used as weapons.

      Besides, if the EU wants to do a ‘Hotel California’ (“you can never leave”) on the UK, the UK can just ‘convince’ some EU foreigners to return home thus balancing increased levels of UK unemployment (if there is a recession) with increased levels of newly vacant jobs.

      Remember c3,300,000 EU foreigners work in the UK and c1,200,000 UK folk work in the EU.

      PS: Did you know that the EU was recently informed that if they tried to prevent London from trading in “Euros” that such behaviour would be illegal!

      PPS: The idea of an EU was a good thing, however, its unaccountability and its corruption meant that the UK just had to leave.

    • avatar
      FRASR SIGSWORTH

      ANDREJ NEMEC WE WELCOMED OUTSIDERS TILL YOU STARTED TRYING TELLING US HOW TO LIVE,WHEN YOU STARTED MAKING LAWS AND TURNING THE E.U INTO A NEW WORLD ORDER GOVERNMENT.WE ARE THE FREE ENGLISH THE FREE PEOPLE OF THIS ISLAND .WE DONT WANT YOUR LAWS,WE HAVE OUR OWN.MOSTLY THEY ARE GOOD.MILLIONS OF PEOPLE DIED IN WW11 DIED FOR OUR S AND Y FREEDOM .YOUR E.U IS A TYRANY MASQUERADING AS DEMOCRACY WHEN YOUR PEOPLE WAKE UP>??? YOUR CHILRENS CHILDREN WILL BE IN CHAINS :-((((( SOCIALY INDOCTRINATED,SOCIALY PROGRAMED TO SERVE THE NEW FRANCO GERMAN RIECH .17 MILLION OF US FREE ENGLISH SCOTTISH IRISH WELSH KNOW THIS .YOIU DONT KNOW US WE ARE NOT JUST ANNOYED THE WHOLE COUNTRY OUTSIDE LONDON AND THE POLITICALLY CORRECT CONTROLED AREAS ARE SEETHING ,ANGRY (ANOTHER MANIPULATION ) THIS COUNTRY IS NEAR TO REVOLOUTION AND CIVIL WAR..??? WONDER at the rise of the right wing UKIP?34 MILLION VOTED IN A REFERENDUM THAT WAS BENT /FIXED FOR THE REMAIN TO WIN.THEY LOST THERE WAS MAJOR VOTING FRAUD GERRYMANDERING SPI OPS CAMPAIGNES AND REMAIN STILL LOST.THE VOTE TO LEAVE WAS BIGGER THAN 1.7 MILLION IT WAS PROBABLY 3 TO 5 MILLION FOR LEAVE.20 YEARS AGO I DIDNT CARE A STUFF ABOUT RIGHT LEFT WING.I JUST WANTED TO LIVE AND WORK AND BE HAPPY .I STILL DO.BUT VERY DAY NEW BULLSHIT LAWS FROM EUROPE FROM UNELECTED GOVERNMENT .THE .E.U .PARLIMENT ONLY RATIFIES LAWS IT DOSNT MAKE THEM.THATS NOT DEMOCRACY THATS TYRANY MASQUERADING AS DEMOCRACY.NOW I AM RIGHT WING NOT BECAUSE I WANT TO BE RIGHT WING BUT BECAUSE THEY ARE THE ONLY ONES STANDING UP FOR ENGLAND.YEH ENGLAND WE CAN STILL SHAKE THE WORLD. IF OUR GOVERNMENT DOSNT LEAVE AND TRIES TO EVADE ARTICLE 50.JUST WATCH WE WONT LET THERE BE A GOVERNMENT WE ARE FREE WE DONT FORGIVE OR FORGET .WE ARE THE FREE ENGLISH.

    • avatar
      Willo Telfar

      I think Tarquin’s response is spot on…
      I voted to remain by the way as I do understand the “benefits” Mr Jankcer speaks of but I also understand the frustration of the leavers, immigration isn’t a bad thing but when it allows communities to be overcome and divided something has to give & sadly for the EU the people voted based on previous uk governments failure to recognise what was happening to the good old fashioned identity of the U.K. & the intolerance of its people to allow that to disappear in the name of multi-culturism…The fact the EU also allowed itself to also lose its own true identity and become ruled by a selective few with to much self interest also added to the reason the uk people voted the way they did but it is what it is so the sooner the democratic vote is acted upon the better as only then will we really know if the decision was the right one because just now no-one really knows how it’s going to go but I know it sure won’t be the crazy over the top Armageddon scenario the mainstream media & remain campaign wanted you to believe so badly but failed to convince so miserably

    • avatar
      alan roberson

      leaving the eu was the best decision ever taken by the people. and the the highest turnout ever, the eu is corrupt and non democratic, the euro is falling to pieces, Greece bankrupt , spain ,and portugsal the list is endless.the uk does not need the single market, we have the greatest city in the world for finance, our currency is strong , trade is good, and our companies can trade with the rest of the world, they will welcome our expertise and goods. if the eu does not treat our citizens who live in the eu, correctly, we will do the same to there citizens who live in the uk, if they try to put tariffs on our goods we will do the same to them. so be warned, if there is any punishing dished out. the uk will respond in the same way, we have more clout on the worlds markets, as has been proved, the euro is in dire trouble. and on the brink of collapsing. the uk made the right decision, because the people said so. I believe in next years election in Germany and other eu states, the peoples will demand a referendum.and they to will exit the eu, there are daily riots in paris Sweden Belgium, open borders are not acceptable. and the uk will not have open borders, we don’t need the free market, we are the united kingdom, our history speaks volumes, and the uk will become the power house of Europe as we should be

    • avatar
      alan roberson

      the club is bankrupt my friend, that’s why spain Portugal Greece are in such a dire mess, the peoples of them countries will do like the british and leave a corrupt and non democratic eu

    • avatar
      Manuel S

      What i read here is very.. lets not say stupid, lets say patriotic.
      When i hear from British people that the EU is corrupt, the Eu is undemocratic, everything is brussels fault it just makes me cry. As a non-britain i have lived for 2 years in Britain a while ago(never moving back there). As i was hearing from my friends that lived in Britain each one of them has blamed brussels for everything. Like the toast is roasted too much..: “THATS BRUSSELS!”. And it just makes me sick. Many things Britains blame the EU for are just not made by the EU. Maybe this was one point why the british people decided to leave the EU.. simple because they didnt knew better!

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      D comber

      I’m sorry to have to bring to your attention.Europe export to Britain 60% more than Britain exports to Europe . Europe will be paying the tax. Recent visit to Germany left me with this thought on speaking about brexit a woman said to me good the British will stay on their little island.my reply was if British people had stayed on their little island 72 years ago you would still be readingmine manor. And the French would still be goose stepping .

  3. avatar
    Matej Zaggy Zagorc

    Judging by the after effects, many didn’t even know what they were voting for/against. Will be interesting to see how things develop.

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      FRASR SIGSWORTH

      WE KNEW WHAT WE WERE VOTING FOR ???? ,FREEDOM

  4. avatar
    Mille Radosi

    because of amnesia. they seem to have forgotten the high unemployment, social tensions, the shit with ira, coal miners… from the 80’s.

    • avatar
      Paul X

      …is that the same 80’s when we were already members of the EEC?….yep it didn’t help us then either

    • avatar
      Tarquin Farquhar

      @Mille Radosi
      A very ill-thought-out comment.

    • avatar
      Caroline Langston

      The 3 day week of the 70’s.

    • avatar
      Paul X

      Ah yes don’t forget the 70’s…. the UK was a member of the EEC prior to the 3 day week, the oil crisis and the winter of discontent…

      Do you see the trend developing here? …essentially, whenever the UK has been in a crisis its membership of the EEC/EU has proven of no help what so ever… doesn’t coma as a surprise really considering we were only (begrudgingly) let in for our contributions

    • avatar
      Ian Cumming

      Social tensions, I R A, coal miners, none of which would have been answered by belonging to the Franco/German alliance that is the EU.

    • avatar
      FRASR SIGSWORTH

      LIK PAUL X SAIS LOAD OF GUFF YOUR ARGUMENT E.U DID NOTHING FOR US ,LIK ITS DOING NOW ITS JUST SUCKING UP OUR MONEY AND WE ARE GETTING STUFFED .,WELL NO MORE MONEY TO TH E.U GET LOST.

    • avatar
      alan roberson

      that’s an insult we knew exactly what we voted for, and I repeat, the eu is corrupt, and run by unelected dictates, we do not accept open borders and we don’t need eu trade , we can trade with the rest of the world, how come the Spanish , greek and Portuguese economys are bankrupt,?? we know why, and that’s vwhy the british people voted out, our soldiers did not give there lives for a bunch of unelected dictates who are corrupt to run our country, we the people have spoken , and if our government does not follow our wishes, there will be civil war, and our government knows that, we are democratic and they will follow our instructions to leave. the eu you will not exist in 10 years time, and will be remembered as a failed project., the eu is finished

  5. avatar
    Andrea Brown

    The UK is clearly afraid to invoke Article 50 as it is so weak and knows it. The sooner UK invokes Article 50 and goes its own way, the better.

    • avatar
      Tarquin Farquhar

      @Andrea Brown
      Check out a recent WSJ article that states that the UK has the whip-hand
      post-Article 50 i.e. the UK will cherry-pick.

    • avatar
      Cedric

      @Tarquin Farquhar
      Not sure how that cherry-picking will work out.

      Assuming the UK would lose 1 million jobs if negotiations go bad, the EU would have to lose 8 million to be worse off, compared to the population.

      Is Germany really scared of losing jobs in their car industry? Possibly, but in that case you assume the UK would only buy cars produced in the UK, and frankly I don’t care the rich people in the UK give a damn about price hikes. Buying French cars instead is not an option. You could buy some Japanese brands instead, but they have already threatened they would leave the country as well.

      This leaves you with Range Rover, Jaguar and Aston Martin. People who buy Aston Martin are not too much interested in the price either, but I don’t think all UK citizens will start to buy Astons or Range Rover for that matter, and since this one is Indian, you are not even too sure what they will decide to do in the future either.

      The conclusion is you will need to buy your cars somewhere, but you may possibly completely kill your car industry. Obviously, you could try to make it more competitive by giving companies advantages which cancels out the negative effects. The fallen pound is one, but that also means an increase in price for raw materials. That leaves you with salaries, social benefits, environment aspects to play with. If you bring those down to the levels of third world countries you stand a chance, which would make the poor poorer and the rich richer.

      Secondly, if you think the EU is going to give the UK all the advantages of the single market without the burdens, the EU would be committing suicide and frankly, that’s the only scenario which would be the best scenario for the UK, but still crap in a globalised world.

      The UK is not going to go bankrupt. You will survive, but unless you make some very unpopular decisions for the inhabitants or start invading some other countries like the great UK used to do, I wish you a very enjoyable Brexit. Good luck, you’ll need it.

    • avatar
      FRASR SIGSWORTH

      WE ARNT AFRAID :-))))) OUR POLITICLE MASTERS ARE:-)))) THEY KNOW WHAT COIULD HAPPEN .BUT FRANKLY THE PEOPLE ARE SO ANGRY THEY DONT CARE:-)))) LOOSE A FEW HUNDRED BILLION WHO CARES THE NORMAL WORKING GUYS BING STUFFED EVERY DAY WE ARE ALLREADY ON SKID ROW aND WE HAVE JOBS.WE PAY TAXES WE SEE GOOGLE,AMAZON COFFEE SHOP S AVOIDING TAX THAT THEY SHOULD PAY WE,SEE A NATIONAL HEALTH SERVICE BEING DESTROYED BY GOVERNMENT S ,WE SEE OUR JOBS GO TO POLISH,ROMANIAN,BLAH BLAH BLAH YOU DO THE JOBS FOR HALF THE MONEY???? CASH IN HAND PAY NO TAX ON THAT MONEY ITS WIDE SCALE ,NO WONDER WAGES ARE LOW AND PEOPLE ARE ANGRY..WE WANT TO LAVE NOW NOT NEXT YEAR

    • avatar
      Duncan

      Yes, because it would be impossible for the UK to restart it’s own car manufacturing industry. We don’t have any car designers or pre existing workforce with first hand experience of building cars, or steel, or transport system or power plants or empty factories of a suitable size. . . . . . . . . . . . oh wait, yes we do!

    • avatar
      Tarquin Farquhar

      @Cedric
      1…I take issue with your ‘conclusion’. FYI, the recent ‘Japanese report’ that underpins your warning about Japanese car production in the UK was more a warning to the UK not to forget Japan as the UK has been pivoting more toward China of late and the Japanese feel a tad left out. Besides, I’m sure that the UK will provide a few extra ‘carrots’ to ‘encourage’ the Japanese to stay if they get a tad uppity.

      2…I hope the UK goes for a clean break with no ‘Single Market’ – at the end of the day – the UK can force out 3,300,000 EU foreigners and take in its own 1,200,000 spread over the continental EU if push comes to shove. Furthermore, Deutsche Bank and Commerz Bank are in trouble and if either fail then Germany and the Euro will really, really suffer. FTR, German business leaders are already stating that the UK must have a ‘good’ deal as they know how parlous the state of the Euro is and the possible negative connotations of a collapse.

      PS: As Max Keiser would say ‘Sell Euros, buy gold.”

    • avatar
      alan roberson

      the eu is dead, the uk is the greatest financial centre on earth, the euro countries are all bankrupt, the eu is corrupt and non democratic, a bunch of non elected beurocrats that nigel farrage brought to there knees, as he said you all laughed at me, now whose laughing, that will go down in history, the british are afraid of nothing, we saved europes arses in the second world war, along side America, no jackboots marched down Whitehall did they, you betray those that died for freedom and democracy , our soldiers did not give there lives to be ruled by a corrupt and undemocratic bunch of dictates, andrea you should remember why you have the choice to be free and democratic, the eu is on the verge of collapse, just like the euro,its the eu that needs Britain not the other way round, the eu is bankrupt iam afraid , where as the uk is not, wouldn’t you say?

    • avatar
      John

      A small majority had the only chance in their lives to tell the Government, Politicians in general and the banking system in particular that they were unimpressed with everything that they do. They felt strongly that the elite and their offspring were doing great and the small majority were feeling totally ignored and sidelined and witnessed no improvement in their lives. A new class separation had appeared and it was untenable.

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      Duncan

      Over 1& a half million is not a small majority. It’s a huge amount. The percentages might make it appear smaller than it really is, but then you take into account the number itself and it is a massive sway in favour of leaving. Besides, the referendum was not about globalisation, that’s a myth perpetuated by the remain supporters. I didn’t think voting to leave the EU would scrap the 1% or the banking system. Did anyone? If we did get to have a referendum on those things you can bet the majority would be overwhelmingly in favour of it.

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      FRASR SIGSWORTH

      WELL SAID ,BUT IT WONT FALL GONNA BE AROUND FOR ANOTHER 200 YEARS THEN IT WILL BE 3 RIECH MAYBE SOONER.

  6. avatar
    Paul X

    Quote Juncker
    “If, over 40 years, you are explaining to your general public that the European Union is stupid, that it is worth nothing, that you have to leave, that European Union membership is not bringing any advantages to your population”

    The typical EU mentality of when anything goes wrong it’s always someone else’s fault
    So over the past 40 years where was all the counter arguments backed up with hard facts and data on how beneficial the EU has been to the UK? where was all the openness telling the tax paying public exactly where their money was going?……where was all the openness on peoples appointments, what they actually contributed to the EU and who they employed under them?…. If you want the real reason for the anti-EU feeling in the UK look no further than the EU’s arrogant, elitist attitude and its contempt for the peoples of Europe

    • avatar
      Diana Rodrigues

      Sadly, I have to totally agree with Paul X. Mr Juncker’s answer to Duncan’s question is insulting as well as sickening. Mr Juncker and the rest of the EU elite need to wake up – Brexit was the wake-up all, but their heads are still buried deep in the sand. I could not be more pro-Europe and agree with Tarquin Farquar’s pps that the EU was a good idea.

    • avatar
      Jeff Piper

      An Australian who is anti-EU has been peddling nonsense in his papers for too many years. In the Brexit debate remember that Gove told everyone to ignore the experts. Difficult for facts to overcome political posturing and lies in that kind of environment. If you check your facts, you will find most decisions in the EU are made in meetings of ministers from all 28 governments – who then hide behind “Brussels” if it is unpopular

    • avatar
      Duncan

      Glad someone noticed Juncker’s answer tried to put the blame with us instead of acknowledging any fault.
      The EU was a “noble idea”, I’m not so sure it’s a god idea. And Jeff, the fact that the papers (and experts) were trying to push their own agendas during the run up (and for some reason even now in the aftermath) with regards to in or out just makes the situation that much worse. If, like me you read articles from many sources you will notice the same base facts being told in two different ways depending on the position the source material takes with regards to Brexit. Free press is supposed to be impartial, we don’t have that. I think it ought to be a criminal offense for a journalist to put their opinions across when giving information.
      As for some people talking about cherry picking and so on, what I would say we are looking for as an exit deal it would probably be something akin to the ideals the eec (aka single market that we signed up to, unlike the EU which just evolved without asking us if we wanted it) so trading without tariffs imposed (both ways) and without any legislation imposed that is not as a direct way to ensure consumer rights and manufacturing standards. That would be the principle goal of any exit deal, if we can’t get that then the wto tariffs would be a small price to pay to avoid being in the Norwegian position and would still work out cheaper than our EU contributions currently do. There are obviously other elements, such as rights of EU citizens currently resident in the UK and vice versa, access to medical care for visitors etc. But that should basically equate to a tit for tat system, I.e. if the the EU grants medical care for visitors we would reciprocate and same for residents being given visas. I don’t think it either an unreasonable stance, or unachievable. We do after all have the medical care for visitors agreements with many other countries around the world, and only the most racist/isolationist of the UK population would say we need to evict (I think this figure is probably wrong, but it’s what we are told the figure is) 5 million EU citizens currently living & working/going to school the moment that the negotiations are over. But we absolutely will need the ability to control numbers of immigrants in order to maintain an acceptable population for our job markets and housing availability. It’s just madness to think a country doesn’t need to be able to do that.

  7. avatar
    Νίκος Γιαννίρης

    Cause they think that life out of EU is better(for sure is worst than they think)and because they don’t really feel like Europeans.Big mistake I think and some very difficult years coming up for UK.I wish I am wrong…..

    • avatar
      Tarquin Farquhar

      @Νίκος Γιαννίρης
      So do I but in any event the EU will do far, far worse.

    • avatar
      FRASR SIGSWORTH

      WE KNOW BUT WE WOULD RATHER HAVE HARD TIMES FOR A GENERATION ,THAN BE CHAINED DOGS PART OF A SYTEM WE DIDNT VOTE FOR .WE WERE A FREE DEMOCRATIC NATION TILL YHE E.U STARTED TRYING TO DESTROY OUR FREEDOM.

    • avatar
      alan roberson

      you talk rubbish, my answer to that is why do most Europeans want to come here.? we know, the eu is corrupt and non democratic, our soldiers did not give thewre lives to be dictated to by corrupt and non elected beurocrats. the uk is a world leader in finance, and is the strongest country in Europe, the eu will not exist in 10nyrs time, it is bankrupt, we the british will be about for the next thousand yrs, all eu states are now bankrupt and are being propped up by the corrupt eu, its demise is very near, the people of the uk spoke, and our government will carry out that result or there will be civil war.

    • avatar
      James

      The UK doesnt need the EU and never has, it has always been one way traffic. Sure you will miss our billions to bail out that joke of a currency every couple of years, and miss having somewhere to offload your unwanted migrants and peasants, but there is nothing we will regret the other way. Life outside the EU may be worse for your country and most of Europe, but that’s mainly because the UK is in it. Once we leave you may soon change your mind.

  8. avatar
    David Heal

    Straight forward copper bottomed ignorance (just look at the coments above and see the lack of knowledge of the EU) combined with straightforward xenophobia and racism.

    • avatar
      Paul X

      I agree with one thing, the lack of knowledge of the EU, and whose fault is that?

      …but as for xenophobia & racism…stuck record….zzzzZZZZzzzz

    • avatar
      Tarquin Farquhar

      @David Heal
      I am British and I am not white and I voted for Brexit.

      Most EU citizens are white as is the case in the UK.

      What racism and xenophobia are you talking about please?

    • avatar
      FRASR SIGSWORTH

      MR HEAL YOUR A FOOL??? IF YOU THINK I AM IGNORENT,I MIGHT HAVE NO LETTERS AFTER MY NAME BUT I KNOW WHO REALLY PULLING THOSE STRINGS:-(((((( IF YOU THINK TH NAZIS WER EVIL,COMPAIRED TO WHO AND WHATS COMING . THEY WERE KINDERGARTEN CHILDREN.ALL WAR IS ONE WAR THE WAR OF THE AGES.THIS RFERENDUM WAS JUST A SKIRMISH ,SMALL SKIRMISH .AT THAT NO ONE WON :-( WE WANT OUT THE ENGLISH SO DO A LOT OF FREE FRENCH FREE GERMANS YOU THINK THIS .U IS A WONDERFULL IDEA YOUR LOOKING THROUGH THE EYES OF THE INOCENT,100YEARS IS NOTHING TO THESE ORGANIZATONS ,HIDDEN IN PLANE SIGHT.

    • avatar
      alan roberson

      the eu is non democratic and corrupt ,,, fact, nothing to do with racism .the uk is multicultural. only socialist idiots use racist remarks,we the people voted out, simple. the eu tariffs us we will tariff them, they treat our citizens who are living in the eu different . we will do the same to there citizens, our economy is strong and we don’t have the euro of which is finished. the uk will prosper as the eu collapses as even eu ministers have admitted , so little old uk has brought the eu to its knees , they need us , we don’t need the eu, our history proves that

  9. avatar
    GonEprata Megarp

    Im going to give my honest opinion, because british people are beggining to become a minority in their own country, like other nations of europe, and also i dont think all this spetacle people are making about brexit is worth it, it is like a placebo effect, made to look like something revolutionary is being done, it can work if it is the principle of a new narrative, but as an end in itself…european union has become nothing to be proud of as the only thing left of that official group was its name, europe is becoming a dictactorship, it should be reformed, europe could be more united and just without that elitist entity ironicaly called the european union, i also think the level of influence of thr IMF over the european union trought brussels is far too great, they are like vampires, a doomsday machine that punishes every citizen if it does not get enought payment, they make nations worth less than nothing, they make peoples lifes and work worth less than nothing, the reason why economic and other types of crisis are escalating is because people dont care much about economic dictactorship as they do about political dictactorship, without realising that one naturaly follows the other, who does not know that corrupt politicians are born in the big money?

    • avatar
      FRASR SIGSWORTH

      WELL SAID SIR NWO LONG LIVE FREEDOM

  10. avatar
    Mike Chambers

    The BREXIT referendum was a result of years of the British people being disillusioned with what was happening in the EU. They saw the problem with migration. The problem with Greece. They saw the EU as just being a private club for Germany and France. The EU has constantly failed to communicate what it is doing and what the benefits are. In short the EU just became irrelevant to the lives of normal people in Britain. So why pay all that money into the EU without getting anything back?

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      FRASR SIGSWORTH

      WELL SAID

    • avatar
      Sotiria

      Right!

    • avatar
      Duncan

      There’s more to it than that. It’s not just about being given the details of good or bad. We are a democracy yet the people were never consulted in the EU process. I think this is in part why we now have an entire generation of MP’s who think the votes of the voters are irrelevant to the process of democracy, they are in fact determined to try to overturn the referendum result because it’s not what they wanted. Well if they are not the conduits for the political wills of their constituents then what are they exactly? And this is the problem the EU is in. It is a committee of leaders who do not consult their population before ratifying or vetoing the ideas put forward at the EU level. Even IF the EU had never once made a bad move (which they have made many) it would still NOT be an acceptable situation to a democratically orientated populace. Hence they need to change how they do things going forward.

  11. avatar
    Kim von Elling

    I Hope it was because they wouldnt sell out of their Freedom and Democracy.
    Many EU countries share the Brittish oppinion when it comes to refusing non democratic elected politicians changing everything without the support of the people.
    Long live Democracy!
    And if Britain weren’t the first many other countries would be the first to leave, the people has just not had a election for or against EU as it has turned into now during the last 2 decades.
    Those who do not understand the Brexit, don’t spend time to research and analyze.
    A very good idea, will always be popular for the majority. That’s just simple logic.

  12. avatar
    Tommy Bickleboy

    Because we were fed a lie! Now it will break up the UK as Scotland will become independent within 2 years. I’d rather be part of Europe than a sulky little Britain.

    • avatar
      Tarquin Farquhar

      @Tommy Bickleboy
      What lie are you referring to?

      The ‘Project Fear’ MULTITUDE of lies.

    • avatar
      FRASR SIGSWORTH

      WE WERE FED A LIE ITS CALLED THE E.U .NOW GO AND JOIN THEM ,YOUR CHILDREN WONT HAV THE FREDOM YOU DO AND YOUR GRANDCHILDREN WILL BE IN CHAINS.YOUR A SHEEP

    • avatar
      Duncan

      Scotland becoming independent is up to Scotland to decide. I doubt they will split away. And if they do I will feel very sorry for them as their position as an independent nation would be horrific. They have neither the population , infrastructure, nor gdp to be attractive to manufacturing investment. They wouldn’t be able to afford the social welfare their population would expect, and they would not have the funds to be able to support the nato minimum defence spending to be able to apply for membership. Also, they’d not be in the EU still. So they’d have separated for the hope of regaining EU membership which would not be a guaranteed thing and they’d all suffer greatly from a near bankrupt government and the austerity that goes with that. I like the Scottish too much to wish it on them.

    • avatar
      Bob

      Tommy,Very unlikely Scotland will leave the Union.Nicola Sturgeon has pinned her colours to independence but in every survey since the Eu referendum The Scottish people have voted to stay, ( I am Scottish by the way ).You really should know by now that what the politicians want ,and what the people want are usually quite far apart !
      Why ,given the fact that Scotlands trade with England is over 5 times the value of its trade with the EU ,would it leave the Union ?,,,, it wont.
      As for rather being part of Europe,well we are part of Europe ,once again the glaring flaw in your argument.You dont know the difference between Europe and the EU.

    • avatar
      kevin

      That’s easily resolved , there are some wonderful countries in Europe ,that like being in the EU , take your pick .

  13. avatar
    Mavis Allen

    Matej. Do you think why voted OUT. ARE all stupid uninformed.people.. I can asure you are not…We wanted our Country back. WE ARE BRITISH we dont want unelected people telling us what to do. We are a great nation and proud of our country.. The EU is not we voted for and we wanted OUT. Thank GOD we did. It is a wonderul feeling to be free…

    • avatar
      Stathis....Goulis

      Tereza May is your PM and she is not elected…?????

    • avatar
      FRASR SIGSWORTH

      WERE NOT OUT YET DARLIN STILL GTTING MY KIT READY IN CASE THERES HAS TO BE A REVOLOUTUION:-)))) WISH I WAS JOKING:-( I THINK MAYS GOING TO BETRAY US AND SECRETLY PRPAIRING FOR JUST THAT BETRAYAL.

    • avatar
      David

      But we have an unelected PM now

    • avatar
      FRASR SIGSWORTH

      WELL SAID BUT WE AINT OUT MAYS GOING TO BETRAY US WATCH

    • avatar
      Duncan

      May has not been elected prime minster by the people of the country, this is true. The conservative party she leads however has a majority position in the house of commons. Theresa May was elected as a member of parliament and her party voted for her to be prime minister. This is how it works here. Each constituency votes in an MP, the party with most MP’s forms a government. We don’t have a separate election for prime minister, we never have. Also, come the next election, Theresa May will either be the party leader of the conservatives and win the election or she will lose the election. This happens every five years. How often do we get to vote in the EU officials? Never. So you tell me in what twisted form of logic can you make comparison betwixt the two?

    • avatar
      Paul X

      You know…..the more people outside the UK call those who voted to leave “stupid”, the more we are glad we did so…

    • avatar
      Yasmine

      Paul, I somehow don’t think you understand how you are insulting yourself with this one post…

    • avatar
      Paul X

      It’s called irony Yasmine…look it up

    • avatar
      Duncan

      Agreed Paul x, we didn’t come to the European community to be insulted. Why would we want to be in a group where we’re branded as racist, xenophobic, ignorant stupid, not European (I like that one the best, it is at the same time saying we don’t belong here and critical of us for wanting to go! Make your fucking minds up will you please?) and so on and so forth.

    • avatar
      Duncan

      That’s a very backwards way of looking at it. Populists repeat rhetoric they’ve heard often in order to gain the support of the populace. True they also come out with outlandish explanations as to why the problems aren’t the fault of the populace (which makes it more likeable as an explanation) and that there are easy solutions to problems. But, the fact is the populists don’t actually create a way of thinking, they merely take advantage of it.

  14. avatar
    Artur Pereira

    I have today less rights than I had before de E.U. and the Euro (€).I’m a Portuguese citizen.

    • avatar
      alan roberson

      correct artur, the Portuguese economy is propped up by the corrupt eu, like Greece and spain. the secret to a good economy is good taxation, where everyone contruibutes, spain and Portugal and Greece need to sort out the system, we brits notice that all refugees want to come here, why, because we have a national health system and a benefits system, we left because the british have had enough of people coming here and taking advantage, enough is enough , thank god we have a strip of water between mainland Europe and Britain, even hitler couldn’t find away across that 22 mile stretch of water, and its still doing its job, the eu will collapse, its non democratic and corrupt, fact

    • avatar
      A Free British European

      Name a limiting law that has affected to you personally? give examples of meddling in our judicial system and cultural affairs?

  15. avatar
    Stefan V. Stancioiu

    One of the multitude of reasons is the British mentality and geographical location.

    Living in the continent ment that for centuries there were virtually no natural borders, except for rivers, forests and mountains. This somehow influences the mentality of the people, for example until the French Revolution there were no “nationalist feelings” people weren’t so cranked up by nationality.

    Britain however always had its natural borders, which created and deepened the feeling that they are special in some respects.

    Perhaps this does make them special.

    As a personal prediction i do not think they will completely shut the relationships, not even forbid migrants. They just want a bit more control which does make a bit of sense.

    Even though i am in favour of an European Union, i think it needs a bit of reform and i also think UK will still be part of it. But perhaps on different terms.

    I also hope they don’t kick me out of England, i am one of those bloody migrants.

    • avatar
      Duncan

      @Stephan, the only risk of you being evicted is if Theresa May tries to welch on article 50. If she does that then UKIP will win the next election. UKIP are far more likely to lists to the far right supporters amongst their followers (and indeed mp candidates) and want everything to do with EU reversing. If May keeps her promises, then common sense will prevail in the UK and brexit will be a reasoned and rational process and you’ll be granted a visa (unless you have a criminal record of course, that might make it trickier) and be able to continue to live and work here.

    • avatar
      alan roberson

      your wrong we the people said no open borders and no rule or laws from the eu. our government will not dare go against our wishes. if they do there will be civil war . and we don’t need the free market either, we can trade with the rest of the world, if the eu tariffs us we will tariff them , if they treat our citizens bad we will treat there citizens bad, no one threatens the uk, remember we didn’t get beaten by the germans Europe did , so remember that,never underestimate our resolve we are proud ofour democracy and our soverienty .the people rule in our country not our politicians , they are there yo carry out our will if they don’t we get rid of them , that’s democracy, the majority rule. its the only way to run a country

    • avatar
      A Free British European

      Alan Roberson, another brexiteer threatening civil war? Far-right extortion at work i see. The brown and black shirts would be proud of you.

  16. avatar
    Pantelis

    We need 1.Security 2. Security 3. Security mainly from outside. We are not racist but the EU cannot have uncontrolled open borders for anyone to come in. Remember there are a few billion people in Asia and a few hundred million in Africa. Can EU assimilate all of them and when they come does anybody think there will not be serious trouble? IS THE EU ABLE TO TAKE CONTROL OF OUR LAND AND SEA BORDERS? IF NOT DONT COMPLAIN OR BE SURPRISED WHEN THE EXTREME RIGHT TAKES OVER.

  17. avatar
    Elle Wilky

    Why did the British vote for Brexit? – Two words – Angela Merkel.

    But seeing the rabid responses of those spoilt brats, Juncker and Schulz, so makes it worth it. :D And it just goes to show that the only reason the EU wanted to keep us in is for the money aspect of it.

  18. avatar
    Joaquim Pinto

    They never Was in Europe. They think they still have the “Great British Empire” . . . LoL

    • avatar
      Paul X

      We have always been in Europe and will continue to be so…the EU likes to think it can do many things but even it cannot divide continents

    • avatar
      Duncan

      @Joaquim, thanks very much for letting me know what I think. It was an eye opener for me to realise I thought the British Empire still exists because i thought that I thought it was a product of an outdated way of thinking that we got rid of decades ago. But now I know that I think we still have an empire I’m much clearer about why I’m stupid and ignorant as so many people on here are saying. And they’re absolutely right too. I must be stupid and ignorant because I think something that hasn’t been a reality since before I was born was still a reality. Thank you, thank you so very very much.

      Since I want to be certain you understand, my above comment was sarcastic in nature. Please never again assume you know anything of what everyone in a country thinks because, for a start we all have different thought processes and secondly to ASSUME makes an ASS of yUo and ME.

  19. avatar
    Manolis Karras

    They saw how most of the countries were riddled with austerity, and because most British are literate and internet users they knew where the EU were taking them without their say. There is an economic war going on with economic hit men. Austerity for the rest, benefits only one country, the one making the rules, which the British did not like. It’s like a WW2 repeat. Good on them.

  20. avatar
    Dave Morrow

    Many of them don’t know why they voted leave, which is why the respond with comments like ” If you don’t like it leave” why should I leave a country that I swore an oath to defend and have fought wars for , just because I believe that it future is better in the EU, but why have these people stayed in a country that has been a member of an organisation they hate for 40 years, why didn’t they leave if they didn’t like it. And as for the ” We Won ” comment , as nobody knows what the final Brexit agreement will hold , you have no idea what you have won , if you have won anything, because who voted leave to get an Australian style points based immigration system , have lost, those who voted leave to end EU migration , have when you consider that May’s reason not to have a points based system , will give more control over EU migration , meNs that in one form or another EU migration will continue , so they have lost as well.

    • avatar
      Duncan

      I think I can help you to understand (assuming you’re not suffering from a closed mind) what people mean by I you don’t like it you can leave. This country (or Union of countries that should be really I guess, but let’s face it wales and England are no more different than Cornwall and Essex.) has never agreed completely on anything, but majority rules is the conceptual principle of our governing system. Therefore, since the vote to leave the EU was a majority decision, you must either accept it (wether or not you agreed with it) or be at odds not only with this single decision, but our very way of life and even our way of government. This could actually be argued as treasonable. So, whilst nobody can force you to chose to leave rather than like it (which is derived from a literal interpretation of the comments you referred to) it may be desirable for you to move to a society more agreeably organised to your tastes rather than face the risk of the punishments for treason, and also more agreeable than living somewhere where the majority of people don’t share your opinions on how our government should function.

    • avatar
      alan roberson

      no laws from the eu, control of our borders. and control of who comes here, and finally nothing to do with the eu, why ? there corrupt and non democratic and that is a fact. in a nutshell we the people rule not our government they follow our wishes or get sacked. its the correct way to run a country,

  21. avatar
    Yasmine

    Oh, not another Brexit debate…Are you running out of topics?

  22. avatar
    Carolina Muro Rosa

    I really think xenophobia is at the heart of the British decision. I was shocked to see that they actually think they still impose their ways around the world as if they were still in the Empire times. Their mind set seem not to have changed from then.
    When they say it’s about democracy, they are really saying, we do not want foreigns to decide upon us. When they say they give EU too much money, they are ignoring the amounts they receive and how EU has contributed to the lift of their economy from the miserable times they faced until the 80s. When they say, there’s too many people jamming our public services such as NHS, they ignore that the problems in the public sector arose after the cuts on those same services. When they say “we don’t need the EU” they really mean “they do not want contribute, but want to take full advantage of the benefits. When they say we will thrive, they are ignoring that many companies and banks sat base in the UK as a gateway to EUrope.

    Now, what we need to be talking about is what sort of deal suits EUrope?!
    I think the European Commission really needs to make sure those international companies having in the UK their european base, need to base themselves in the main land in order to operate in the EU countries. This is a way to develop the economy and jobs opportunities in the continent so our people don’t need to migrate elsewhere. Tax paradises such as Ireland should not be an option, after all we need this companies to leave something, and if I pay taxes, so should they.

    • avatar
      Duncan

      @Carolina, you’re being very badly informed. Fr a starters I’m in no way shape or form xenophobic or racist. I would say we have not got a problem with foreigners telling us what to do. I’d say we have a problem with anyone telling us what to do. The UK didn’t have hardships until the 80’s we have had hardships for decades and decades. The 80’s saw the closure of the coal mines, that in of itself caused more hardship amongst the massed population than any other event in living memory within the heartlands of England. See, it wasn’t just the miners who suffered. The knock on effect saw the entertainment industry suffer too, as well as the car industry, and then of course all the other luxury item industries. Meanwhile due to massive unemployment the social welfare state became a financial burden that stripped wealth from the tax pot while simultaneously reducing the inflow. Thatcher in her short sightedness sold off almost all state owned assets to temporarily add extra funding, but that effectively massively lowered the states revenues long term while giving benefits to the wealth able to purchase those assets at a bargain price. Which led to the wealth devide expanding. Meaning we are now earning less at the bottom of the pay structure than we need to be able to live and support a family and home. That all took place while we were in the EU. There are many other instances but that was the biggest impact on the peoples finances since the war dept.
      When we say we don’t need the EU we mean we don’t need the EU, nobody needs the EU other than people directly employed because of the EU I.e. Junckers, the mep’s etc. Europe could get along fine without it. We aren’t ignoring that the banks might leave, I wish they would. The day their synthetic transactions stop propping up our gdp figures so the politicians can claim the economy’s doing well when we have food banks and red cross stations set up in our own country because some working people are unable to pay for enough food to live then maybe we might actually get some affirmative action taken. If the EU is unwilling to trade fairly with us then why would/should we accept any unfair deal? Tell me how that would make sense?

      I cannot say there was one sole reason we voted to leave the EU, there were many smaller reasons that in varying degrees amounted to my decision to vote the way I did, by far the biggest was a lack of inclusion for the people of my country in the EU system. Aka, I’ve been a voter for 16 years, never before was I asked to make a choice about the EU apart from which politicians to send, since they never actually gave a manifesto of intent that made no difference anyway.
      Then there was immigration control, yes control. I didn’t and don’t think or want everyone resident in the UK from the EU to “pack their bags” but I definitely recognise the importance of controlling population levels.
      Then, there was the real problems caused by EU decisions.
      Then there was the obscene amount of money that heads for Brussels every year in times when our government were saying we couldn’t afford to care for our own sick and disabled and so on.
      Then there was the remain campaign, many people have said the leave campaign was based on lies and no clear path. My counter point is how can a non government entity have a clear path for the future when they will not be the ones deciding that path? How can our prime minster be anything other than pro choice in a referendum? Yet we had a pro remainer, bribing people to back remain. Also, the leave campaign may have been based on lies (not all lies, but certainly they did lie about some things), but the remain campaign was based on lies and supported by threats. They had nothing good to say about the EU just a doom and gloom prediction for leaving it. And they made threats! I can understand someone not born here maybe not understanding us that well, but Osborne threatened the British people! If you ask us to do something we are generally accommodating people, threaten us and we will become very hostile, very quickly.

    • avatar
      alan roberson

      the eu are corrupt and non democratic . fact , we the people of the uk rule not our politicians they don’t follow our will then there removed from power , by us the public, majority rules if you don’t have that your in trouble. the Spanish are propped upm by the eu, there skint basically. same for Portugal and Greece, threy cant do anything about it, they use the euro, we have the pound and the city of London the greatest financial centre in the world,we are out and you will all eart your words when the eu collapses, eventhe eu is admitting now that there in trouble . riots in france daily in Greece !!!!! the trouble with the Europeans crisis is there tax system is atrocious and corrupt . hence why everyone wants to get here, not stayn in france or spain or Portugal. theres your answer

  23. avatar
    Tarquin Farquhar

    @JCJ
    Your petty and unprofessional attitude sums up why the UK decided to leave the EU.

    But worst of all, you didn’t see fit to treat the UK inclusively,

    you hardly visited the UK despite our geographic isolation,

    despite the UK being the 2nd biggest EU net contributor,

    despite the UK having the greatest democratic heritage of any EU nation,

    despite the EU relationship with the UK being highly negatively asymmetric [in UK eyes] e.g. 1,700,000 jobs advertised by the EU, 900,000 in the UK,

    despite the UK having the most widely used language making it disproportionately ‘more attractive’ to come to for poorer EU nation citizens,

    you treated the UK unjustly and unwisely; unfortunately, the EU and the UK has had to pay the price for your unwise and unprofessional leadership.

    • avatar
      EU reform- proactive

      Well said my island friend!

      A comparison: The previous “glorified Lord Major JCJ” from the “Grand Duchy of 543k people”- now glorified EU president- presiding over ~500 mio souls has definitely a hew of vindictive medieval touchiness around him. There are (please correct me) ~22 Lord Majors in the UK alone- outdoing this “Grandest Tax haven” on earth. Surprised?

      http://www.fool.com/investing/general/2016/01/03/10-best-tax-havens-in-the-world.aspx

  24. avatar
    Anti-EU Citizen

    Because United States of Europe means the death of nation states and it’s peoples.Nobody wants to end their nations existence exept Europhiliac elites and Angela Merkel

  25. avatar
    Roberto Rodriguez Alarcon

    Mmmm It does not matter now. They are out. Let us take this great oportunity to make the EU stronger and united, with more yes sss and less nooos.

    • avatar
      FRASR SIGSWORTH

      17 MILLION THINKERS

  26. avatar
    José Bessa da Silva

    Because the EU is an harmful, wasteful and incompetent institution that serves no purpose other it’s own existance.

  27. avatar
    Dobromir Georgiev

    Xenophobia mostly.

  28. avatar
    Neil McCue

    Roberto r. – hope the Germans bail you out when the EU fails miserably ! Unfortunately , when the Deutschbank collapses, I don’t think they will somehow !

  29. avatar
    Alison Roberts

    Mavis Allen ” we don’t want unelected people telling us what to do “, so do you ignore the laws of the land that are passed in the house of Lords? or do you not understand how English law actually works. lmao.

    • avatar
      Duncan

      @Alison, the house of lords ratifies legislation (and sometimes tweaks the wording etc.) it doesn’t create the laws.

  30. avatar
    Alison Roberts

    I’m looking forward to being able to get on with business without the brits whining and bitching constantly.

    • avatar
      Tarquin Farquhar

      @René Aga
      We tried, but too many corrupt EU nations managed to veto the UK at each and every turn. Sorry…

    • avatar
      FRASR SIGSWORTH

      WE TRIED ,NOW WE DONT CARE BILLIONS OF OUR MONEY WASTED BY THE E.U

    • avatar
      Duncan

      How can we change something we have no say over?

    • avatar
      Paul X

      Isn’t spin a wonderful thing

      Quote…

      “Brexit has won by 51,9% against 48,1%. The referendum turnout was 71.8%, and 28.2% didn’t vote, and we do not know their opinion. In fact Brexit is backed by only 37,3% of the whole population with the right to vote”

      Equally factual…

      Brexit has won by 51,9% against 48,1%. The referendum turnout was 71.8%, and 28.2% didn’t vote, and we do not know their opinion. In fact, remaining in the EU is backed by only 34,5% of the whole population with the right to vote.

    • avatar
      Duncan

      To stop the EU making the same mistakes again and encouraging further splits? I thought that was obvious.

  31. avatar
    Neil Clarke

    Because a country that doesn’t control it’s borders, business and import export regulations, and laws ceases to be a country

  32. avatar
    Brian Culbert

    Same old usual rhetoric from remainiacs I see, racist, xenophobic etc. How about because some of us read the 5 presidents report, the Lisbon Treaty. Opened our eyes beyond MSM and saw what the eu had been doing in Ukraine amongst other places and decided we didn’t want any part of it. Or how about some real simple things like, innocent till proven guilty, Common Law, right to trial by jury etc. You know, those things we’ve had for hundreds of years, while the eu model is the exact opposite.
    As for the bullshit statement of trying to change it from within, we tried that. Scameron went and asked for less than the people wanted and got even less than was asked. The eu, brought this on themselves by refusing to acknowledge that the ‘people’ had had enough of them and their ego’s

  33. avatar
    Jim From UK

    This is so easy to answer – the British are fed up with towing the Brussells line when most other EU nations only seem to implement the laws that are actually beneficial to them…
    We are fed up of reading of our Judges being soft on crime, and even then the poor criminals still run to the European Human Right Court and overturn the pathetic sentence…..
    We are fed up of working our socks off and paying our taxes to see, people come in and take from our national pot and give little or nothing in return whilst our own state pensioners are living in cold flats with less to eat than the average cat….
    We are fed up of France and Germany forever being wheeled out as the spokespeople for the EU ??? surely they are two members of a twenty eight member club ? Why is it always the French and Germans who seem to be in charge ?……
    We are an Island nation and have a different outlook to an Austrian or Dutch national who thinks popping into the neighbouring country is farly normal, so maybe we are more insular ? is that wrong or just hard to grasp for a mainland European ? We are not racist, infact I think that most non UK born people will probably find life in the UK is alot more tollerant than alot of other western nations.
    I could go on and on – however I need to run the Hoover round it seems to take alot longer these days now the EU stopped it having as much power.

    • avatar
      Chalks Corriette

      Hello Jim, I am a british passport holder living and working, self employed in Belgium. I do not have answers to all your questions. But, I do find that many statements are simiar to others that I hear that have little proof. The British do work hard and the business process models used for best practice, show that the French do in a 35 hour week, what the Brits do in 45 hours. It also seems to be true that the UK tax payer is supporting more people on benefits, than other EU countries. But that is a local choice and nothing to do with EU wide laws. Try claiming benefits in Belgium as an EU citizen when you have never lived here or paid into the system – you will get no where; but you will be guided as to ways to get what you need to survive. Visitors to our Belgian NHS system have thier details taken and the bill for treatment passed to the correct authority to pay up – the British could do this. I agree, the British are very friendly and I experience this each time I visit family and friends. And, the quality of life is Belgium is very good indeed and trumps that of the UK.

      France and Germany just engage more, when it comes to EU issues – which may be a shame, but has never been a block to anyone stepping up. British MEP’s are rumored to miss many meetings and thus, votes are missing. And data would suggest that in the past 2500 voting situations, the UK MEPs have only votded against policies 74 times – which is not as bad as people tend to say. I do hate many of the EU common policies – and yet, the member state MEPs, including the Brits do seem to support them – at least while they are in vote mode. Otherwise, I would have expected to see fewer policies getting through.

      I do not know what the evenutal outcome will be, and I am not sure how many people know the actual truth about laws and restrictions. I just cannot imagine that it is so bad that we could not sit around a table and find a solution. Thanks for your thoughts and comments and I trust that we are all happy with the final solution.

  34. avatar
    Spiros Kontogiorgis

    There are many reasons, but the main one is Germany… They almost control all the independent institutions in order to control all European policies…

    • avatar
      Chalks Corriette

      Do you mean that Germany tends to engage more with EU issues, thus better control? If so, does that mean that the rest of the EU members needs to step up and show more leadership?

  35. avatar
    Yannick Cornet

    It’s probably to remove one layer of governance. Too bad they went after the wrong one. Which raises one important question: why do we still bother with the nation-state? Couldn’t empowered cities and regions under an European framework be better at addressing today’s problems?

    • avatar
      Paul X

      “why do we still bother with the nation-state?” because of 100’s of years experience in governing (generally) in the interest of the people as opposed to 40 years of financial incompetence and the politics of self interest

    • avatar
      Duncan

      Yannick makes a good point. That might have worked. But that’s not ever been given to us as an option. But why stop at a European framework at that juncture, why not the world? The entire world small self governed regions no armies, no need for armies. No passports. Of course there would be lots of details that would need sorting out but I’m sure it’s doable.

  36. avatar
    Simon Farrell

    maybe because we didnt listen to the moronic sheep who were too scared to be labelled racist instead of doing whats best for the future.

  37. avatar
    Magdalene Papoulia

    Your politicians were prudent enough and kept you out of the EMS . You had your currency and it was easy to go out of this Union which is not made for the good life of the people. On the contrary : it was made for strungling the people. You are very well out and you don’t know it.

    • avatar
      FRASR SIGSWORTH

      FIGHT TOOK US 25 YEARS WILL TAKE YOU 40 BUT KEEP GOING

  38. avatar
    Sasa Lunic

    If somebody asks question like that it’s impossible to answer. I wish you more luck when next EU country do the same. Maybe you will come to some conclusion then.

  39. avatar
    Ken Clymer

    Because they didn’t want to have unelected fascist asshole criminals like Jose Baroso interfering in their national affairs. Could that be it? Oh wait no it’s racism, as the MSM puts it.

  40. avatar
    Pavel Lampa

    when the EP will be right (next election) we will se reverse of the leftist policies

  41. avatar
    Chalks Corriette

    The EU administration has not made itself relevant to lives of everyday citizens. Spending time to debate how much water we can flush in our toilets, whilst allowing people to drown in waters along our coasts is a good example of a lack of focus and prioritisation. If the EU administration want to be taken seriously, then it needs to deliver serious policies that everyday citizens want and need; relevance. Relevant work or activities for our citizens, security, well-being, education, transportation, communications and a constructive policy machine would go some way to showing the EU’s relevance. Messing around with WhatsApp and Skype services, telling NetFlix what they should make availabe to European citizens, is all very nice, but low on the list of things that really make a difference to our lives. So, please be relevant, do fewer things and listen to us, the everyday citizens of Europe.

  42. avatar
    Manuel Alegria

    wrong information, easy demagogic influence and dreams of a great empire they never was…

    • avatar
      Duncan

      And they call us the racists. . . . This fairly atypical rhetoric suggests if we are racists that’s something we have in common.

  43. avatar
    David Saunders

    Because those who had the wit to do even basic research found that the increased trade and major free trade agreements promised were never delivered although the cost of EU membership in both economic and damage to our society continues to grow…

  44. avatar
    Katrin Mpakirtzi

    because are the only who understand that( the) war between muslims against christians its not a funny and hally gally party of civilitations. They see on eyes poor people who murdered like labs and women as slaves. the others lives in romantic world

  45. avatar
    Stathis....Goulis

    Because they were told that they will be free..Because they were told how nasty workers from other EU countries are… because they were told that 350 million pounds will go to NHS every week….and of course because they believed all this nonsense…

    • avatar
      FRASR SIGSWORTH

      DONT BE PATHEETIC ,MOST OF THOSE WHO VOTED LEAVE WERE THE GROWN UPS WHO KNOW SHIT WE KNOW BULLSHIT WWHEN W S IT AND REMAIN WERE FULL OF IT .

  46. avatar
    Tony Cartwright

    Bit of a stupid site. Appears you have a lot of people on here who aren’t British therefore never had a vote. Mon Europeans who have no idea how the EU works and what it stands for and EU citizens who will miss the cash the UK gives

    • avatar
      FRASR SIGSWORTH

      YEP WELL SAID MATE

  47. avatar
    Gloria Brady

    It will be nice when the last paper is signed on our Brexit as hopefully it will be the end to all these WHY WE VOTED BREXIT POSTS BY REMAINER TWATS.

  48. avatar
    Chris Betts

    Maybe its because the British people or more accurately 17.2 million are sick of being dictated to by liars and charlatans. Who are revising history to suite an end game that involves dictatorship and the end of democracy in Europe. Heres an example of the limited revisionist thinking being dished out by Junkers et all. The EU has kept the peace in Europe for the last 70 years. The EU has not existed for 30 years yet. So thats a blatant lie. We joined a Common Market, not a European insular super state. Now we have excersized our democratic rite to distance ourselves from the facists in Brussels. Or maybe its because we can see how widespread corruption is in the EU. After all they have not been able to sign off their accounts for 15 years. Money simply goes missing. Yet they demand more and more… To loose. Or maybe its because we simply want to have a say on what laws and statutes come into being. After all the EU commision who are complety unanswerable to any electrate can simple overrule an elected government. So much for democratic choice.

    • avatar
      FRASR SIGSWORTH

      ALL OF THE ABOVE BUT I THINK MAYS GOING TO BETRAY BRITAIN

    • avatar
      Duncan

      I doubt she wants to end her political career after one part term as PM.

  49. avatar
    Charlie Apostoli

    I voted to leave because nepotism is rife within the EU, I applied for a job in an EU country and in my telephone interview I was asked if I had any friends or family within the company that could provide references, when I said no I was told it will be very difficult to employ me regardless of my extensive qualifications and 27 years experience with my current company. So please explain to me how this embraces the free movement of labour given I was more than qualified for the job I applied for.

    • avatar
      Duncan

      That’s called civilisation.

  50. avatar
    Tony Lynas

    We had welder’s chased back to britain from Spain because the Spanish unions complained

    • avatar
      FRASR SIGSWORTH

      WANA BET ALBERTO ,THER MAY BE TROUBLE AHED BUT WE ARE GONNA FACE THE MUSIC AND DANCE.

  51. avatar
    Paul Sargeant

    Because this freedom of movement has taken down all the border controls. All the freeloaders of the world from all the poorer countries are coming to Britain. WE ARE NOT THE WELFARE STATE OF THE WORLD.

    • avatar
      Chalks Corriette

      Actually, you are right. The problem is that people are not looking for a welfare state. The British Commonwealth and dominance of English means that the UK is a target destination for people in trouble. And, if the UK were to implement some basic checks for people, before allowing them to apply for work, send children to school, and get health care – there would be less people heading to the UK. People want to work, to earn a living, to be safe and they choose a langauge that they can speak, even a little as a place to start. Once the UK leave the EU administration, they will implement the same checks that Belgium (where I live now) has already implememnted to ensure that only authorised people get work and support. The system can work if the infrastructure and rules are followed. Corrupt employers and landlords are taken to task if caught breaking the rules…. The UK just needs the systems and procedures to stop people who abuse their opportunities. The UK can do this today.

    • avatar
      Tarquin Farquhar

      @Chalks Corriette
      You paint a rosy picture regarding UK border control whilst in the EU.

      Unfortunately, the EU prevented the UK from controlling its borders and this contributed to it deciding to Brexit.

  52. avatar
    Adrian Limbidis

    Because brits aren’t very smart really.
    Americans rejoice. You are not the idiots of the planet anymore.
    UK just beat you to it.

    • avatar
      FRASR SIGSWORTH

      NO ADRIAN BECAUSE WE DONT WANT WHAT HAPPENED TO YOUR COUNTRY ROMANIA 50 YEARS OF STOLEN DRAMS WASNT THAT WHAT HAPPED WHEN THE RUSKIES RULED YOUR COUNTRY>?ITS A LIN FROM A ROMANIAN SONG.ANYBODY WANTS TO STEAL OUR DREAMS IS GONNA GET A KICK IN THE TEETH FIRST.

    • avatar
      Duncan

      Really? Given Donald Trump stands a roughly even money’s chance of making U.S. President, and before him George Bush jr did make President yours is quite the claim Adrian! Any evidence to back it up? If leaving the EU makes us unintelligent please explain what terrible things will make life outside the EU worse than life inside the EU. Please educate my poor stupid self so that I might gain enlightenment from your not British and therefore obviously superior intellect.

    • avatar
      Paul X

      At least the Americans get to vote for their president..

  53. avatar
    Malik Sajjad

    When European Union enlargement and eastern Europe continues join European Union
    Than millions of people from these countries enter in UK and create a lot of problems for British people

    • avatar
      FRASR SIGSWORTH

      WE GO DOWN THERE TO PLOT AGAINST THE E.U :-)))))

  54. avatar
    Graham Inch

    We need to rebuild our country. We cant do it while shackled to the dying EU. We also need a government that is free from corruption and self interest. That is the hardest challenge.

  55. avatar
    Jokera Jokerov

    The Brits want their country back. They want British laws created by British people to be applied on British soil. They believe in their country. Simple as this.

    • avatar
      kevin

      thank you , good comment

  56. avatar
    m Vassallo

    I’m Australian and I can’t imagine having my country controlled by outside influences…glad you all voted to leave the EU

  57. avatar
    Dave Hollings

    The answer is – for lots of different reasons. There was no Brexit proposal, so people poured into the vacuum their own reasons. Which is why the government is in such a mess on Brexit. Whatever form of Brexit the government eventually chooses, most people who voted for Brexit will scream ‘That’s not what I voted for’.

    • avatar
      Duncan

      Yep, and I think it was done deliberately in an attempt to put people off voting to leave. In is (in theory) the known element. A vague leave means people may have worried about the nature of the leave method and decide to stick with what they know. Cameron did indeed forbid the government from forming a leave strategy. Of course in truth, remaining in was not a known entity as the EU’s position is constantly expanding and so really is just as uncertain a direction as leaving is. But of course, I voted leave so I’m too stupid to be able to work this out anyway so that doesn’t matter does it? ;)

  58. avatar
    Jonathan Thomson

    Because the dominante ethos if mainland Europe is of strong socialism bordering closely on communism (Denmark!) and a general acceptance of totalitarian style governance (southern states) and a TOTAL lack of understanding of the dangers of an overly beurocratic state and badly formed democracy.

  59. avatar
    catherine benning

    Germany is broke as is France. We do not want to bail them out.

    We want rule over our own laws. We want to decide who we will allow into our country. We will look after ourselves without the input of freak tyrants in Europe.

    This link is the reason we left and of course the right to choose who we will allow into our country and what their rights are within this country are. Without the fiddling of European illiterates to force a rabble of those looking for a work free life.

    Listen to all of it. It explains very well.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dQY2CHx4d3U

  60. avatar
    Maia Alexandrova

    Because of xenophobia – they hate people from Eastern European countries for no reason. UK failed to reduce its Commonwealth immigration to under 100,000 for many years and conveniently blamed EU for ALL immigration into the UK – legal and illegal, from inside and outside EU, for refugees and everyone else – mainly due to the increased arrival of Polish and other Eastern European workers since 2004. 17 million people believed that lie and voted to leave.

    • avatar
      catherine benning

      @ Maia,

      No, they did it because we have too many from the Commonwealth, coming for years, which leaves no room for Europeans. Plus, because of European immigration policy all those who enter Europe from Africa, India, Pakistan, and so on, find their way to the UK and try to enter via France. We don’t want them, let Europe keep them. They made this mad decision in the first place. Now we all have rampant murder, rape, knife crime. Another 16 year old boy had his throat slit in one of our London shopping malls over the weekend. We have had enough. Mrs Merkel should have at least a thousand in her own home.

    • avatar
      FRASR SIGSWORTH

      NO WE WANT TO BE FREE ,WE WILL METAPHORICALY KICK ANYBODY IN THE TEETH WHO TRIES TO TAKE OUR FREEDOM.WE WILL KICK THM IN THE TEETH AS WELL JUST IN CASE.

    • avatar
      Paul X

      Maia, the only lie is your claim that 17 million voters in the UK are Xenophobes..grow up or shut up

    • avatar
      Maia Alexandrova

      Catherine Benning, you still get too many from the Commonwealth when supposedly, you have full control over the borders – 200,000 is quite a large number and it has not been just for one year, but long before EU migration increased. How can this be called border control and how is EU at fault for it? It is completely the failure of UK governments who DON’T want to change it, even though they can straight away. This is why it sounds hypocritical to demand EU to change when you do not want to change yourself and put the already existing rules for border control into practice, rather than turn against EU workers.

    • avatar
      Yasmine

      Paul, we debated this and you were unable to prove that you at least were not xenophobic. I think you need to shut up rather than attempt to intimidate where you have not been able to prove.

    • avatar
      Duncan

      @maia, yes I agree we have too many immigrants coming in from all sources. Population control through more stringent immigration levels is a must have for the UK. But simply put, how does being forced to allow any number of immigrants out of a potential 680,000,000 and growing (through births, immigrants into the EU and expansion of the EU’s borders) equate to having a snowball in hells chance of being able to get a lockdown on immigration numbers?

    • avatar
      Paul X

      Actually, as I previously explained Yasmine, in the UK the burden of proof lies with those doing the accusation, quite how you expect me to “prove I’m not xenophobic” on this forum is a bit of a mystery, maybe you can indicate what you consider would be proof on your eyes?
      And far from intimidate, if someone comes on here and makes a totally outrageous claim that 17m people in the UK are stupid and xenophobic I’m entitled to respond in an equally robust manner

    • avatar
      Duncan

      @Yasmine, Paul x has got you there, without being able to find supporting evidence for an accusation there is no tangibility to the accusation. Meanwhile, since racism is a state of mind and a very broad subject matter, proving he is not racist is impossible. He could have a French -Nigerian wife, adopted a polish child and sponsored an Ethiopian child through one of the many telethons, yet still be antisemitic or hate asians. Hence innocent until proven guilty.

    • avatar
      Maia Alexandrova

      Duncan, it is the job market that regulates EU migration into the UK. If you really had a problem with numbers, then your government should have already reduced the non-EU immigration to under 50,000 a year, in order to have any credibility of the claims that EU migrants are causing an unbearable strain on the social system, schools, hospitals and housing. If this has not been done, how do you expect any reasonable person to believe your argument against EU immigration? Why are less than HALF of all immigrants in Britain blamed, hated and attacked for ALL the problems arising from immigration? How is this reasonable?

      What you need is to implement the already existing laws for checking arrivals at the border against a security database. In this way no criminals from EU will be allowed to enter UK. This is possible because you are not in the Schengen area, so you already have control of your borders, only not visa control, but this is replaced by other rules, such as those for the job market.

      Second, minimum wage should be increased to the level which British workers are comfortable with. In this way you will make it illegal for employers to offer vacancies with unacceptably low wages which are most likely to be taken by foreigners.

      Third, how is EU preventing you from training British citizens to be doctors, engineers, etc.? The truth is – it is not and you are already completely free to train them while still in the EU. So this excuse for Brexit is also not serious.

      The only possible reason remains xenophobia. Just look at the aggressive comment from Frasr Sigsworth here who writes only in capital letters and wants to kick people in the teeth, just like those who attacked and killed Polish citizens in London. Talking about utter idiocy, look at what your conservative MP Owen Paterson said about Bulgarians and Romanians yesterday – he said we (I am Bulgarian) are so dumb that we cannot even use mobile phones! These are the type of people who voted for Brexit and there is not a single credible reason why they voted so, apart from xenophobia (i.e. ignorance + hatred)!

    • avatar
      Duncan

      @ Maia, as I stated already. I agree there are too many immigrants from all sources coming to the UK, simple fact is we do not have limitless space and I would like to be able to keep some wildlife here. We are already going to struggle just through birth/death rates, so immigration needs to be kept very limited in order to maintain any semblance of balance for the environment. But I still don’t see how your argument fits. Surely if we need immigration limits we need them everywhere, stopping non EU immigration while still unable to prevent EU immigration helps the problem exactly 0%. As you claim the job market is what limits EU immigration and those non EU migrants would then stop coming here, the EU migration would increase to fill this gap surely? Anyway, you are not right in your base statement, since EU citizens don’t need a pre existing job offer to move here and start looking for work. This was happening at a time when we had 5million uk citizens out of work because the bank crash followed by cutting public sector jobs. 5 million local (to the UK) people already out of work and no way under the EU system to stop any number travelling here to jam up the job vacancies that were available. I was unlucky enough to get made redundant back then, two years later I managed to get a job again. It is the only time I’ve ever had to claim benefits in my life. I hated it. It wasn’t laziness (heard the term lazy Brits all too often on here, it really irritates me that this isn’t considered racist or xenophobic), it was lack of jobs available against a high number of applicants, later the fact I’d been forced to sell my car because it was beyond my means to keep it on the road legally on £60 a fortnight meant my search area for work lowered. I do not in any way shape or form blame anyone from the EU, or from the commonwealth, or any other area of the world who came to te UK for this problem. I blame the British governments responsible for ever allowing a situation where we were not allowed to implement limits on immigration in difficult economic periods. So, it has nothing to do with xenophobia it was bad management. It was the people in charge of our country at fault, that doesn’t detract from it being a mistake that needs rectifying. I’ve never once blamed the EU immigrants for the state of the NHS, again that’s our former governments at fault. I’ve certainly never killed anyone from Poland or any other part of the EU. But I did vote for brexit. So explain I you ca why exactly I’m xenophobic. Otherwise, if you cannot show me any evidence that I am xenophobic your statement that voting for brexit was xenophobic is xenophobic of itself. Unless everyone who voted for brexit did so because of xenophobia then you are guilty of making a racial biased against me/us.
      Would you like my former housemates phone number? She’s from the Czech republic so she would know if I’m bigoted against Europeans having lived with me for a year and a half. Or some of my former wow guild members from the Netherlands, Austria, Sweden? I can give you there emails. Ask them if I ever treated them differently because they were not from the UK. Or how about some of the EU nationals I work with today? I encourage you to explore every avenue to implicate me and exonerate yourself of being guilty of discrimination. . . . . . . . .

    • avatar
      Paul X

      Maia, you really need to remove the “woe is me Eastern European” chip off your shoulder and stop believing immigration is why UK voted Brexit.
      Look at Junkers quote (in my post 26th Sept above), he is correct in that the UK has had issues with Europe for 40 years yet Eastern EU immigration into the UK has only come about in the past 12 years so stop flattering yourself into thinking your countries immigrants are the root cause of the UK’s dislike of the EU.
      Look at my comment in the same post and you will see the real reasons for Brexit, the EU is seen as profligate, unaccountable, arrogant, elitist and in that 40 years no good facts or arguments have ever been made that dispel that impression and that is why 17M voted out

    • avatar
      Yasmine

      Actually, as I explained before, Paul, an article by the UN and arguments were provided while you provided none, other than, “the UK has a culture worth preserving”. So you are very good at manipulating the debate but that unfortunately, cannot make up for lack of arguments (are you actually Nigel Farage posting under a different name?). So they are all good those loud words you have posted but don’t apply to you or your xenophobia…

    • avatar
      Duncan

      @Yasmine, having gone back and read the argument that Paul x “lost” I would first of all like to mention that your link to the UN debate never once proved Paul x was guilty of xenophobia. In fact it didn’t prove anything, it merely pointed the finger. But the key point here is Paul x cannot be guilty of xenophobia by association, so even if the UN’s assumption is correct, unless you can link Paul x directly to one of these reported hate crimes, you have no evidence that he is guilty. Secondly, I’d like to remind you of how some of your comments were directly xenophobic towards British people, calling us lazy and unemployable. Since this suggests a pre determined biased against all British people, I would put it to you that maybe you aren’t the best candidate for policing xenophobia in the first place, much in the same way as real police should not be xenophobic or racist in order to remove the risk of prejudicial treatment.

  61. avatar
    kevin

    Because we don’t want that flag , we don’t want that anthem . We are not and never have been European citizens , we are British . We would also like to make our own laws ,regain our territorial waters and make our own trade deals with the nations of the World . The supremacy of our parliament over the one in Brussels and the supremacy of our courts over the one in Luxembourg are also things we hold dear .
    We don’t want to be and never have been keen on political union with Europe . The EU though see ever closer political union as its purpose for being so the parting of the ways was always going to happen sooner or later .

    • avatar
      Fraser sigsworth

      Brilliant answer all of the above

  62. avatar
    Danny Boy

    They voted for Brexit for the same reason the Germans are now voting for the AFD,they are sick and tired of uncontrolled economic migrants.

    • avatar
      kevin

      Yes ,that as well

  63. avatar
    John Keogh

    Fear.
    I would think fear is the underlying emotion. When there is a retreat from the status quo it is usually fear driven.

    What are the English afraid of?
    A world over which they have zero control.

    Indeed considering the uncertainty of the world in general it was no surprise that they chose to retreat in the face of overwhelming forces.

    • avatar
      kevin

      Not afraid of anything or anyone ,just want to be what our ancestors hoped we would be . The Captains of our own ship is a minimum requirement

      We don’t retreat from anyone though we are quite good at escaping , lol .

    • avatar
      FRASR SIGSWORTH

      ITS NOT A RETREAT ITS A FIGHT FOR FREEDOM

    • avatar
      Duncan

      Saying “no” is not retreat. It’s called standing up for yourself.

  64. avatar
    Merkurio

    Still don’t care. They were never in to start with.

    • avatar
      FRASR SIGSWORTH

      MERKURIO MERKURIO OHHH MKURIO :-)))))) I SUSPECT YOU ARE YOUNG 20S? KEEP THINKING WATEVER YOU WANT,YOU WILL ANYWAY?WHAT AM I GONNA SAY YOUR RIGHT YOU DONT CARE??? GOOD LIVE LIFE CARP DIEM SIEZE THE DAY OR JUST SAY FUCK THE DAY DRINK FUCK LIVE..DONT GIVE A FUCK .I TRIED THAT BUT AS YOU GET OLDER YOU WILL NOTICE LITTLE THINGS THAT DONT ADD UP.NOT BECAUSE YOU CARE BUT BECAUSE YOU ARE NOSY AFTER ALL YOU ARE HUMAN :-)))THOSE THINGS YOU WILL LOOK AT LEAD YOU TO CONSPIRICY THEORIES.Mbe you will look th other way .I AM ALRIGHT JACK.BUT ONE DAY THOSE THINGS YOU HAVE BEEN AVOIDING,THE RESPONSIBOILITIES THAT PEOPLE HAVE CHILDREN ,WIVES ,FAMILIES .WILL COME AND BITE YOU IN THE AS TIMES CHANGE SLOWLY WHEN YOUR NOT LOOKING ONE DAY YOU MAY WAKE UP AND DISCOVER YOU LIFE IS NOT YOUR OWN.NOT BECAUSE OF YOUR COMMIT MENTS BUT BECAUSE OF THE STATE,THAT JUST ONE OF TH REASONS I VOTED LEAVE.BECAUSE THE STATE IS SLOWLY BEING TAKEN OVER. .EVILE ONLY PROSPERS WHEN GOOD MEN LOOK AWAY.THE E.U IS ROTTEN .BRITAIN ISNT WITHOUT ITS DARK PLACES EITHER :-)))))))) :-(((((((( BUT BETTER TO GET OUT NOW SO THERE IS A PLAC IN THE FUTURE THATS FREE .:-))))))THEY CALLED ALBION THE ANGEL ISLE.:-)))))ITS ANOTHER DAY IN PARADISE :-)))) .LIVE LONG AND PROSPER MERKURIO.DONT THINK ABOUT THIS TODAY THINK ABOUT THIS INB 50 YEARS .I AM 50 YRS OLD TODAY .

  65. avatar
    Stephen Gwynne

    Eu membership locked the uk into an inflexible economic policy and the ideology of liberalism. Policy whether social or economic should always be determined by a voting electorate not an unelected bureaucracy. So for me Brexit was to regain policy sovereignty.

    • avatar
      FRASER SIGSWORTH

      ITS CALLED FREEDOM AND I AM WITH YOU MATE

    • avatar
      Duncan

      That is all valid and true, but has 0 to do with Brexit.

  66. avatar
    Maria Carneiro

    Arrogância!
    Quando já não serve deita fora!
    Que saiam rápido!
    Não podem nem devem tratar como estão a fazer a pessoas estrangeiras que estão trabalhar!
    Covardes

  67. avatar
    Martin Unterholzner

    For several reasons:
    – Yes, there are big problems to solve in the EU and the British did not agree on the recipes supported by other countries (a closer union)
    – the refugee crisis: even though leaving the EU doesn’t change anything in this respect, it had an emotional impact
    – most Europeans don’t feel as “European” (common identity), the British seem to feel even less European
    – the growing gap between the rich and the poor: this is a general issue which is not confined to the EU
    – the globally growing anger against “the establishment” or “political class” in many countries (e. g. Trump in the US, Duterte in the Philippines)

    • avatar
      Paul X

      “they were lied upon and misled for decades by their own ruling elite… simply”

      Agreed, lied to by both sides of the debate and also by the EU ruling elite…fortunately the majority of the UK population were able to see through who’s lies were most/least believable and voted accordingly

  68. avatar
    Ian Hepplewhite

    In the UK, prior to a general election, we have the opportunity to read and discuss the political parties manifestos. These proposed legislative programmes are reviewed, probed and discussed on TV, radio, social media, work, home, pubs, etc. We then have the opportunity to vote on the manifesto & party that appeals to us and if they don’t do what they proposed we have the opportunity to vote for someone else next time around.

    In the EU it is the ‘unelected’ 28, soon to be 27, Commissioners who generate the legislation ‘but’ the EU citizens have no opportunity to see, discuss or, most importantly, to vote on this proposed legislation! This legislation then goes before the elected EU Parliament, but the Parliament can only suggest modifications, which then must return to the ‘unelected’ Commissioners for approval by them!

    It should be noted that the Commissioner apparently must swear an oath, which requires them to not take any direction from their home government. How can this in any way be described as ‘democratic’! The EU was designed, from the start, to minimise any input from the EU citizens.

    On top of this the European Court of Justice can not only override our own ‘elected’ government, but also our own Supreme Court, if it decides anything does not align with EU legislation in its view. Of course this means you have relinquished sovereignty.

    I accept that in the short to medium term the UK may well suffer economically after leaving the EU, especially as I have learned that the UK is not allowed to formally undertake trade negotiations with any country until after the UK has left the EU, ‘but’ surely the likes of our trade & culture ‘must’ be based on democracy and sovereignty. The further away from people are power & taxes, the more abuse & corruption of these there will be, so let’s be grown up and repatriate these not just from Brussels but, with-in reason, London as well.

  69. avatar
    alan roberson

    I would suggest most british people who voted to leave, were against free movement, also we don’t believe the eu should make our laws, but most know that the eu is corrupt and non democratic, the eu has not accounted for 100 billion euros that it has spent, there auditing of its spending is atrocious, how can the eu , dictate laws and budgets, when it cannot be honest within the eu ?I believe the eu is on the verge of collapse, other eu countries will follow, the peoples of Europe feel the same as the uk, riots in paris, Belgium , Sweden , Denmark, this is not shown on mainstream tv channels .ie the bbc and sky, social media is where to go if you want to see what is really happening,

  70. avatar
    alan roberson

    you cannot have unelected dictates , speaking for the eu, that is not democracy, and will be the undoing of the eu, corruption, and non democratic, the eu was not set up to gain total power over any country, if the other eu countries were given a vote, there would be no eu, the only chance they have of survival is to let the public choose who leads the eu, by democratic means, most eu countries are now defying the eu dictates on migration, we in Britain do not like people coming here just for our health system and our benefits, they have contributed nothing to our country, that’s why they want to come here, and not stay in france or most other eu countries, and that in a nutshell is why we voted to leave, thank god

  71. avatar
    Mick

    The true hidden agenda of the EU has been control and not equal union. It eventually wants a federal Europe of which Britain will not become a part of even if we remained. Better to go now rather than be in a European union in name only. It will be much harder to get out then. The union really only serves big business, rich businessman and bureaucrats. The ordinary people of Europe have been sold a lie. An illusion of unity for the purpose of keeping people in their place. The British people saw through the EU’s damp squib of a remain in Europe deal and subsequent Jean Claude Junker’s me think thou protest too much responses. He is clearly not happy with British democracy.

  72. avatar
    James

    A few reasons for me. The Eu’s ‘state aid rules’ which has made it difficult for the British government to support its crumbling industry. Secondly, immigration, hundreds of thousands of eastern Europeans have put pressure on jobs and public services. The Eu response was arrogant, after David Cameron tried to negotiate a deal before the referendum it was clear the Eu was not going to budge an inch to alleviate some of the pressure that mass migration has brought to the poorest in British society.

  73. avatar
    mickey jay

    whats this ive just read. that the uk wants access to the common market in exchange for open borders and payments to the eu. payments i can accept if they are beneficial to the uk. BUT OPEN BORDERS? does not the government realise. that the main reasons for the people voting for brexit was to take back control of our own borders and laws. is teresa may going to betray us.

  74. avatar
    FRASR SIGSWORTH

    COURSE THEY DO BUT ITS NOT OUR GOVERNMENT ITS NOT GOVERNMENT FOR THE PEOPLE ITS GOVERNMENT FOR GOVERNMENT

  75. avatar
    A Free British European

    Quite simply, 17 odd million right wing racists crawled out of their muddy little holes and voted whilst a lot of the rest of the electorate failed to understand what was at stake. the result has led to increasingly far-right policies from the current government and free reign for the media and the 17 odd million racists to abuse anyone not born in the UK, and many who were born here. our country, the traditional opposition to far-right for the last 100 years has become a hotbed for what can only be described as infant national socialism.

    apparently an able bodied and motivated workforce, 40 years of the highest standard of living in our nations history, peace in central europe for the longest period in history and access to the worlds largest free marketplace on the most affluent continent on the planet were all terribly bad things because a documented racist, backed by the media, persuaded inherently racist people to vote out.

    historians will damn these people for eternity, and their children and grandchildren will hate them.

    • avatar
      Duncan

      Well aren’t you just the worst kind of narrow minded hypocrite?

    • avatar
      kevin

      You are a remoaner
      I love people ,all people ,even those born out side the UK of which I am one .
      Living standards have been OK for some but not so good for others , mass immigration ,free movement of some of the poorest people in Europe has kept the low end of wage earners in a stagnant never ending cycle of debt with pitiful low wages . This by the way is now spreading to the middle classes where wage increases have also slowed to a grinding halt.
      Peace is due to NATO .
      We were probably as a nation quite happy within the European communities , treaties of Rome , Maastricht and the 2004 enlargement which included the former soviet states along with free movement of people made membership too high a price to pay .
      We always had access and always will have access to European markets regardless of whether we are members or not . The only question will be tariffs if any that apply .
      Our grandchildren will always love us ,a free nation will be our legacy

    • avatar
      A Free British European

      Kevin,

      i am a British national and have the right to voice my opinion. by calling me a remoaner you are suggesting that i do not have the right to disagree and debate. this is another outcome of the result.

      Those who voted out now believe that anyone who voted remain should not have the right to oppose the result. I do and will continue to do so.

      Successive governments not holding business to account for passing on financial success to their workforce is the reason for wage stagnation.

      Yet again, the standard lines of the leave campaign are trolled out as gospel.

      Yet again, another person who has a problem with Eastern Europeans.

      When the nation is on our knees due to tariffs with the EU, and prospects are nil for the young, your grandchildren will hate you.

    • avatar
      Stephen Gwynne

      I honestly would not consider calling 17 million people rightwing racists debating. What are you are actually doing is debasing debate to the level of bigotry, i.e name calling.

      You seem to have no reasonable responses to the arguments put forward regarding eu immigration policy other than to cite benefits which are on the whole financially negligible. Beyond the economic, we have cultural, environmental and political concerns regarding eu migration policy. These are legitimate but you offer no plausible counter arguments other than to suggest everyone who voted leave is a racist. This isnt a reasoned argument but an unreasonable statement that is based purely on your inability to think up effective and engaging counter arguments.

      Cultural rights are enshrined in international human rights law of which the UK is a signatory. There is nothing racist about wishing to preserve cultural heritage unless you are making the argument that international human rights conventions are inherently racist.

      The Universal Declaration of Human Rights makes clear that signatory nations have an obligation to create an international order that best maximises people’s well-being. The environmental degradation that goes with eu migration in terms of reducing green spaces, reducing wildlife habitats and reducing ecosystems services let alone eu CAP policy that insists in denuding upland farms of ‘unwanted vegetation’ and thereby increasing flood risks downstream are not by any stretch of the imagination contributing towards an international order tnhat maximises human wellbeing.

      Similarly the Universal Declaration on Human Rights makes clear that the people have a universal right to self-determination. Politically this might mean choosing to be largely governed by eu treaties or might mean choosing to be largely governed by national sovereignty. There is no contradiction here nor is one choice inherently more racist, small minded or isolationist than the other. Each simply presents a different set of dynamics by which we wish to be governed. Some prefer a greater choice over national policy in order to increase adaptive capacity which can be called a more pragmatic approach to policy. Others prefer less choice because they are happy with the limited policy options made available which can be called a more idealist approach.

      Rather than resorting to bigotry Id appreciate that you provide reasoned counter arguments to the above and explain why you think international himan rights conventions should be dismissed in favour of your yet to be articulated approach. Thanks.

  76. avatar
    A Free British European

    Care to elaborate Duncan?

    • avatar
      Duncan

      Well, ok then. If it isn’t already apparent to you. 17 million individual people, all with different brains, different life experiences different social circles and so on and so forth. And you have decided that entire group of individual people all think the same way and are racist. You’ve discriminated against a grouping of fellow human beings by saying (in different words, but with the same route meaning) “They’re all the same”. That is racist in everyway except that you are not discriminating by creed, yet you accuse others who you have not met of being racist. That is how you are being narrow minded and hypocritical. There are also other falsehoods and generalisations in your above post, but being wrong is less offensive than being discriminatory and a hypocrite in my opinion.

    • avatar
      Stephen Gwynne

      By leaving the eu customs union we also free ourselves from 23,000 eu imposed tariffs on goods coming from outside the eu. Again the costs and benefits are virtually the same. Leaving the eu is simply a pragmatic choice based on changing global circimstances. Brexit allows more sovereign democracy and so more power to the people to choose national policy in the context of an increasingly globalised world. Staying in the eu is simply the best choice for those that wish to fix national policy to liberal idealism. 17 million do not wish to be fixed to liberal idealism so voted out. Im sorry that these people prefer a choice of ideology or dislike liberal idealism but thats democracy. Or would you prefer that we live under a liberal dictatorship whereby the British people never have a choice?

  77. avatar
    A Free British European

    Duncan, every leave supporter i have debated with has always, without exception, landed on immigration as the reason for voting leave. despite every indicator showing that EU migration has benefitted our economy, with the one exception of slight wage reductions in the care sector.

    so, despite the positive impact of EU migration, freedom of movement is constantly touted as the evil that 17 million people wanted stopped. it is therefore fair to assume that each one harbours racist views, towards Europeans, in particular the Polish. at least they should be honest about it.

    continuing to deny that the vote to leave the EU was not inherently racist merely exacerbates the division. admitting it, might actually open the door to positive dialogue on the true reasons behind those views and lead to initiatives to mend divisions and bigotry. ultimately the nation is at a crossroads, do we turn far-right and follow a team of national socialists over a cliff edge? or pause, turn left, or indeed turn back?

    our nation has always proudly embraced our opposition to nazism in the 1930’s and 40’s, both in europe and at home. we did the same in the 70’s and 80’s at home. if we continue down our current path, any glory we claim from defeating the nazis in WWII would be hypocritical in the extreme, as our current governments policies and statements show an increasing similarity to that particularly vile dogma.

    where were the leave voters at marches against increased hate crimes following the referendum? where were the demands for more police action? each one leave voter i challenged claimed it was made up, even when the police federation released figures showing a sharp increase in reported hate crime. there is the hypocrisy, right there. claiming not to be a racist and yet doing nothing when your vote has emboldened the more active racists in society to violent action.

    to claim the vote was not inherently racist is hypocritical, and ultimately, cowardly.

    now please elaborate upon the falsehoods and generalisations in my comment.

    • avatar
      Stephen Gwynne

      Depends which studies you use. You dont provide references so how can you substantiate your claims. Im assuming you are reading references to studies that favour your left wing point of view.

      This selection of studies show either negligible or detrimental impacts of immigration
      https://www.migrationwatchuk.org/briefing-paper/235
      which begs the question is the extra pollution, extra congestion, extra demand on infrastructure and public services, the reduction in greenbelt, upward pressure on housing costs actually worth it for the sake of 0.1% net increase in GDP. 17million people said no.

    • avatar
      Duncan

      Wow, ok just wow. This level of assumption is making you seem like an extremist. Racism is hatred towards those if a different race. Not wanting the continuation of a system that enables up to 403000000 to cross our borders without checks, and also enables transit vehicles to cross with minimum security in a time of human trafficking and smuggling of criminal/terrorist elements is not a hatred of people of a different race. Wanting the best for your country is not saying you hate/dislike others because they are foreign/different religion/different skin colour. The “Huge spikes” in hate crime you mentioned do not add up to 17million racists committing hate crimes, a few hundred reports is what I understand to have happened. The fact that racists thought that a leave vote somehow validated their racism is NOT a reflection that the racists are right, racism is an instinctive behaviour, completely void of rational thought. People that stupid are often wrong. Where was I when the demonstrations against hate crime were happening? At work, same as most days. I was also hundreds of miles away from the demonstrations and very offended by the claims of the organisers that anyone who voted leave was a racist, since I’m not a racist and never pre judge anyone I was very upset to have been pre judged. You think non racists admitting they are racist will solve the countries problems? How about not pre judging your fellow country folk like you did? How about admitting that the way immigration helps our economy never filters down to improved living conditions or even affordability for the working classes? Having a gdp per capita of £26,000 and a minimum wage that is less than half of that figure based on a 40 you week is meaningless for those in low paid employment. It benefits company profits, shareholder dividends and so on and so forth, but not the average worker. As for the largest free market in the world, well it’s hardly free if we must pay in to it to be a member is it? I’ll grant you the £350million a week figure is slightly missleading, but the more accepted as correct figure of £165million per week on average (after taking out the amount we get back) is not nothing still. The motivated workforce is something I would argue has gotten worse in the last 40 years, not better. If you take out technological advances from the equation then the best standard of living in our history happened in the late 50’s/early 60’s predating the EU by some margin. Peace in Europe again had nothing to do with the EU, it was thanks to NATO, and before that, the allied nations from ww2.

    • avatar
      Calum Price

      I’m sorry, but that is not true. The reason I voted to leave was because of the unwillingness of the EU Institutions to change course, instead of forging ahead like woolly minded liberals. The euro is broken, Greece is in a state, not just because of itself, but because of the people who allowed it to join the EU. However, in defense of the EU, the two things that it did right was create the Habitats and Birds Directives.

  78. avatar
    kevin

    Free British European , you are off your trolly . If you think the care workers are the only people effected by immigrations wage stagnation you really need to get out more and widen the circle of people you ‘debate with’

    • avatar
      A Free British European

      Duncan, Kevin,

      Stephen provided a link that demonstrates that EU migration has had very little impact on wage stagnation, whilst it has provided increased tax revenue.

      Duncan, your hysterical belief on freedom of movement are laid bare.

      “a system that enables up to 403000000 to cross our borders without checks”?

      Have they done so yet? that sentence alone is laughable, but does indeed hide your true feeling to those who were born across the Channel. The Ascension countries have been part of the EU for over a decade and yet all +40 million Poles, for example, haven’t upped sticks and moved to the UK, have they? Your statement belies a hatred of those from another country, and hints at a view that they should not be allowed to enter.

      On terrorism, each terrorist attack that we have been victim to as a nation in recent years has been carried out by British born people, or by people from outside of the EU, so again, your logic is flawed.

      A few hundred reports of hate crime? nearly 2000 thousand a week? 6 weeks after the result? In many areas an increase of over 50%? I thought only ostriches buried their heads in the sand. The people of Germany made similar statements in the 1930’s as the Jewish and Romany people were persecuted without protection from the state or the populace. Your flippant dismissal of what is happening displays, again, your disdain for those from another country or culture.

      If you were truly disgusted by racists and the rise in their attacks that your vote legitimised, you would have taken a day off of work, as i and many others did, and travelled to add your voice to the protest. You did not.

      The minimum wage has nothing to do with the EU and claiming that leaving the EU will drive up the minimum wag is frankly deluded. Loss of revenue, tariffs and customs costs will mean business has less money to pay the workforce with. If anything, a reduction in minimum is now on the cards, with many leading Brexit supporting Tory MP’s supporting the scrapping of the minimum wage altogether.

      Taking out technological advances? Seriously, next you’ll be claiming we still have an Empire. Standard of living across the nation has improved dramatically in the last 40 years of EU membership. Show me one government or UN measure that says it hasn’t.

      The EU has helped maintain the peace by providing a table for all nations to communicate at as well as a common goal. If you fail to see that is a positive influence on maintaining peace, perhaps Leave voters and Remain voters should cease debate and see where that leads to?

      £350 million was a lie, not slightly misleading. A lie that was immediately rescinded following the result. As were the promises to remain in the single market, that the EU would immediately grant UK immigrants (yes, immigrants, not ex-pats as we seem to like to call ourselves when overseas) safety from deportation and the promise that the EU would unravel with each member state individually begging for our business. None of these promises were true. Whilst the rise in hate crime, devaluation of the pound and Britains diminished standing in the world have all come true.

      The vote was racist in nature whether you are a racist or not. By any measure, voting to leave a benign political union based upon free trade is, frankly, the act of idiots. At least the admitted racists have an argument they can attempt to justify.

    • avatar
      Duncan

      Ok free British European, now you’ve pissed me off. Ng172at, no 39. Come here and call me racist. After I’ve introduced you to some of me friends from across the border I’ll give you one chance to apologise.

    • avatar
      Duncan

      You’ve turned debate into name calling. Where I come from that leads to teeth disappearing. Many of my family did not join up in ww2 because they agreed with racism, my father wouldn’t have stood for racism and certainly never taught me to be racist, my friends and neighbours and co workers are often from different backgrounds to me. I have met a total of 1 foreign national I dislike, I’ve met plenty more British nationals than that I don’t like. You’re on the list now for calling me a racist. Can’t wait till you get here, I’m going to enjoy a face to face discussion.

    • avatar
      A Free British European

      My dear Duncan,

      yet again, your reply belies your true beliefs. Threatening violence against someone who disagrees with your point of view is the very essence of fascism and national socialism. Suppression of free expression is the the weapon of the far right.

      You have displayed your true colours for all to see, bravo.

      I wont lower myself to your level, because i was brought up to know that real men do not threaten from a distance or in anonymity.

      What you have highlighted is that reasoned debate with a leave voter is impossible. As rather than discuss they chose to threaten, and rather than present facts, they troll out the same lies they voted for. My initial statement was chosen to encourage discussion, as has each reply. I am of the firm belief that each leave voter harbours racist tendencies and i would like to discuss why that is the case and whether it is engrained, or is learnt. From that we may find out how to change those beliefs.

      The nation is divided and will remain so for at least 2 generations in my opinion. I will certainly warn my daughter against mixing in anti-EU circles, due to her heritage, as this may lead to her being threatened and harmed by people like yourself. I will also maintain a circle of friends and family who are pro-EU, as I will not put my family in harms way.

      Whether your family chose to fight in WW2 was never up for discussion, and is frankly, none of my business nor something i wish to know.

      I do not believe there is any reason to continue a discussion with someone who feels that violence is the answer to ending a debate. I am also concerned that you are not in the minority on the leave side with those views. After all, your Fuhrer in waiting, Mr Farage, has mentioned civil war on a number of occasions, essentially using extortion against our representative parliament.

      I wish you the best in your Brexit future, but rest assured that i will oppose it at every step of the way, and will do all i can to stop this nation becoming the equivalent of Germany circa 1930 – 45.

      I am happy to discuss with other commenters at their leisure.

    • avatar
      kevin

      Maybe you should have another read of the link you refer to , Average wage stagnation is not the same as little impact on people at the lower end to which I was eluding

    • avatar
      Duncan

      I’ve disagreed with many people on these forums on many subject matters without threatening violence. You have been consistently closed minded, bigoted and obstinate in your opinions and I was still willing to debate with you. You called me a racist based on very false conclusions. That’s where I draw the line, personal insults. Now you’ve compared me to a Nazi. Why if you truly believe what you say about me is right don’t you come say it to my face? I would never insult somebody without being willing to back up my convictions perhaps as a result of being raised right I would never say anything behind someone’s back I wasn’t willing to tell them in person. I’ve nothing more to say to you over the internet because now you have my address I find it cowardly of you to not accuse me of these things In person.

  79. avatar
    A Free British European

    Calum,

    Greece is in a state because successive governments spent more than they had, whilst introducing unaffordable legislation. for example, they lowered the retirement age to 50 for certain worker categories and then wondered at the huge spikes in people claiming to work in those sectors.

    Whilst i sympathise with the greek people, they should hold their government to account and not blame the EU. I do feel that the EU should take a less hardline view on the debt repayments however.

    In order for the EU to change course, a large block of member states will need to work together to effect that change. We were receiving sympathetic support from the Swedes, Danish, Dutch, Estonians and Polish. Cameron won very minor concessions at the first negotiation. If we had remained, and remained patient, that negotiation could have continued. now we will never know.

    Please explain the “wooly minded liberal” comment? Do you prefer out and out national socialists like David Davis, Amber Rudd and wannabe Fuhrer Farage?

    • avatar
      Stephen Gwynne

      Eu migration has minimal financial benefits to the UK economy. Similarly eu migration has minimal financial costs. Therefore is the extra pollution, extra congestion, extra demand on infrastructure and public services, the reduction in greenbelt, the upward pressure on housing costs actually worth it for the sake of 0.1% net increase in GDP. 17million people said no. This does not make 17 million people rascist in nature or idiots but pragmatists rather than idealists.

      Why do you end up being so bigoted. Do you profit from eu membership personally? Or are simply angry that 17 million people do not agree with your liberal idealism?

    • avatar
      A Free British European

      Steven,

      Membership of the EU has greatly benefitted our economy. Before joining the EEC we as a nation, were the poor man of Europe. EU membership and access to the free market has seen Britain join the top 5 or 6 economies in the world, through access to a tariff free market place.

      The infrastructure and public service strain is caused by cuts, because employed migrants pay taxes that should fund those services. The housing market has been kept constrained to drive prices up for baby boomer generation to ensure they maintain their wealth whilst allowing their children and grandchildren to struggle whilst they milk and already privileged life.

      Reduction in greenbelt would require homebuilding, and that simply hasn’t happened in the numbers required.

      The only profit i have made from the EU is a wonderful wife and daughter. Now, my wife has not taken a British Passport, and doesn’t see why she should. So we currently face the very real possibility that she will be deported. After 17 years of full employment and never claiming a thing (apart from NHS services, and not many of those). I am an employee, not an employer. My profit from the eu has been in the growth of our economy, the protection of workers rights, the freedom to travel and the protection from the ECJ and ECoHR.

      Our nation invented liberalism, and has led the free world in liberal ideals for nearly a century. I am proud of that and believe that our place in the world is now threatened by our stepping away from that.

      You blame immigrants for our current woes. When they are removed who is next? Muslims? Gays? The disabled? Ginger haired people? Whilst the last is typed in jest, there is a real danger of the previous 3 happening. “Liberal Idealism”, as you put it, drives the principles of the NHS, the Welfare State and Free Education. Are you prepared to them disappear? It has already started. If we continue down a road of far right policies, they will be gone, along with the minimum wage, working hours restrictions, job security, liberal justice and social integration.

      I am not bigoted, i am incredulous. A generation that had everything, free education, guaranteed retirement in their 60’s, home ownership with reasonably income and, as has been proved, wage growth in line with economic growth. All that alongside freedom of movement and employment on the continent has been removed. Now not all all baby boomers voted leave, my parents didn’t, but most did. A selfish act driven by a dislike of immigrants.

      Anyone younger than the baby boomers cannot be forgiven. They have prospered through European membership, and any impoverishment has been caused by our own government policy. They chose to believe the lies of a fascist and a group of tory MP’s who harbour extremely far-right sympathies and were threatening to join UKIP.

      I have chosen to oppose the vote, because i cannot comprehend, given all of the evidence, why people voted to leave. The only common denominator is their dislike or outright hatred of immigration. It is therefore fair to suggest that racism is alive and well within their belief system, whether they chose admit it or not.

    • avatar
      kevin

      Greece is in a state because it joined the euro , without meeting the EU’s own criteria for doing so and by remaining in it found it could not devalue its own currency when it hit the rocks (as Iceland did) because its hands were tied by Brussels

    • avatar
      Calum Price

      Yeah, I admit that was silly. Cameron’s negotiations weren’t bold enough however. Look, Che sara sara – whatever will be will be. Theresa May’s speech is tomorrow.

  80. avatar
    Chalks Corriette

    It is interesting that so many people have said that EU policies have stopped the UK from managing its borders better. Since people still have to show a passport to enter the UK, the UK has the ability to stop/question people – more so than say where I live in Belgium, But, stopping people at the border is one way to understand who is in your country, what they are doing, and what they are allowed to do. In Belgium, you can do nothing without having registered at your local commune and obtaining either a paper or ID card to say you are eligible to look for work, live here and buy certain services. Banks, utilities and many service providers ask for your ID as a mandatory item before they will/can support you. Employers cannot even speak with you about work, if you have not gone through the mandatory registration with your commune. And employers worry about being caught breaking rules about employing people without the right authroised ID/Papers. The UK needs to better enforce its own rules and manage its resources better – nothing in EU regulations stops the UK from doing that. OK, we have less people coming to Belgium to seek work because we do not speak English as an official working language. Thus, without French and/or Dutch, your chances of working here are low. Many people around the world speak English – so peope flock to the UK. Which means that the UK has a real need to better manage its scarce resources – jobs, education, benefits, health and so on.. It is possible for the UK to do that, today. Again, nothing in EU treaties stops the British government from managing its resources well and/or understanding whom is in living and working in your country.

    • avatar
      kevin

      some good points chalks , and yes the UK could manage its borders better but the bottom line is anyone who wants to enter the UK from EU can do ,and we can do nothing about that .

  81. avatar
    Stephen Gwynne

    A Free British European..

    The UK has consistently been one of top economic powers since the 1800s. Infact the UK’s lowest point in terms of global gdp share was 2012.
    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_largest_historical_GDP

    Public service cuts are a result of a budget deficit crisis. Increased taxation is the obvious solution but there is no democratic will for this as per last election.

    House building is constrained by land availability as any city development plan will highlight. Reducing uk green spaces is a contentious issue as it reduces the uk’s productive land capacity and well as destroying uk wildlife habitats.

    The problem with liberalism is that it is not able to incorporate environmental justice but instead promotes ecological degradation through indiscriminate human rights fulfillment. This is causing the strong possibility of a climate crisis and an ecological crisis which will make priority resilience thinking.

    Resilience thinking observes and applies ecosystem functioning. The 3 main pillars are..
    1. Managing adaptivrme capacity.
    2. Managing diversity and redundancy.
    3. Managing connectivity.

    These principles were the main themes of the Brexit campaign along with rights to self-determination which takes back the required control to apply resilience policy.

    Shame your partner is unwilling to take up UK citizenship but I guess we all have a place we call home and so I guess her sense of home is her native country.

    Regarding your perception of anti-immigration sentiments, this is not as straightforward as you seem to think, mainly because you put the main burden of responsibility on to the host nation rather than eu immigration policy.

    I can help to a degree because Ive been having a similar debate elsewhere but first I think you would need to find counterarguments to the below in order to substantiatrme your claims that Brexiters are far right racist bigots.

    Arguments put forward promoting eu immigration policy tend to cite benefits which are in reality financially negligible (0.1% of GDP). Therefore, beyond the economic, we have cultural, environmental and political concerns regarding eu migration policy. These are legitimate concerns and are in fact substantiated by international human rights law.

    So for example, cultural rights are enshrined in international human rights law of which the UK is a signatory. There is nothing racist about wishing to preserve cultural heritage unless the claim is also making the argument that international human rights conventions are inherently racist.

    The Universal Declaration of Human Rights makes clear that signatory nations have an obligation to create an international order that best maximises people’s well-being. The environmental degradation that goes with eu migration in terms of reduced green spaces to make way for housing and jobs, which in turn reduces wildlife habitats and degrades the quality of uk ecosystems services. This is in addition to eu CAP policy that insists in denuding upland farms of ‘unwanted vegetation’ and thereby increasing flood risks downstream. These environmental concerns are not by any stretch of the imagination contributing towards an international order that maximises human wellbeing within the uk.

    Similarly the Universal Declaration on Human Rights makes clear that the people have a universal right to self-determination. Politically this might mean choosing to be largely governed by eu treaties or might mean choosing to be largely governed by national sovereignty. There is no contradiction here nor is one choice inherently more racist, small minded or isolationist than the other. Each simply presents a different set of dynamics by which we wish to be governed. Some prefer a greater choice over national policy in order to increase adaptive capacity which can be called a more pragmatic approach to policy. Others prefer less choice because they are happy with the limited policy options made available by eu treaties which can be called a more idealist approach.

    Taken together, these different concerns highlights to what extent immigrants are themselves demonstrating care and responsibility to host nations whilst they locate themselves in the uk as temporary residents. Some permanent residents might justifiably feel that eu temporary residents are only here to take what they can while they can with little concern for the cultural heritage, the ecological environment and the rights of self-determination held by permanent residents.

    I think the problem with your starting point is the assumption that those that oppose a large influx of temporary residents are somehow wrongly apportioning blame to the wrong people when in reality they are not. They are simply applying human agency to the decision of temporary residents to come here in the first place and so see the migrants themselves as being responsible for deciding to come here. Not the system, not the eu but the migrants themselves. Then these temporary residents are then perceived to be diluting their cultural heritage (which they are to a degree), eroding their green spaces (which they most definitely are) and challenging their right to self-determination (which they are to a degree but most unwelcoming towns dont let them settle anyway), all with the assistance of metropolitan elites and liberals.

    These concerns arent misplaced blame but are directly related to the presence of eu temporary residents and the perception that these temporary residents are not showing due care and responsibility towards their culture, their environment and their rights of self-determination.

    If you try to convince them otherwise, either by calling them racist etc etc or by arguing that they should be blaming the Tories, then they are simply going to think you are a hypocritical idiot (not my words) especially when “you preach about human rights and saving the planet etc etc but dont give a fuck about our human rights and the fact that all these migrants require building all over our countryside” (Again not my words).

    These are cultural, environmental and political rights based on international law. So either you are arguing that international human rights conventions are inherently racist or you are simply a bigot who is unable to accept opinions and perspectives that differ from your own opinions and perspectives which as you admit largely arise due to self-interest rather than for the common good of your fellow uk citizens.

    In terms of your concerns regarding working rights etc etc then I think you are hypothesing a dystopic future in order to both deflect and substantiate your own bigotry. Most if not all these regulations and rights are enshrined in Uk law with many gold-plated. May has already said she will be incorporating the full body of eu law through the The Great Reform Act. Beyond this it will be elections and elected political parties that decide which laws to keep, which laws to reform and which laws to scrap. This is called democracy. However bigots tend to dislike democracy because they tend to dislike and reject opinions and perspectives that differ from their own.

    Chalks Corriette…

    Eu immigration policy as supported by the European Court of Justice does not allow discrimination so the UK cannot reject eu citizens applying for a national insurance number when they apply without good reason. Resource scarcity and budget deficits are not lawful grounds on which to reject applications. The same applies to all eu member states. In common parlance this is called an uncontrolled immigration policy.

    • avatar
      A Free British European

      Stephen,

      when the people of a town with a 3% migrant population claim that we are drowning in 400 million odd EU migrants, i do not have to find a single counter argument to that level of clear bigotry.

      And if we are keeping all of the EU laws, what the hell was the problem with “them making up all our laws” in the first place? Despite the fact that only 13% of our laws come from an EU origin.

      I’ll respond further at a reasonable hour of the day.

      Thanks

  82. avatar
    Stephen Gwynne

    Is this a counterargument to internationally sanctioned cultural rights that allow communities to self-determine in order to preserve cultural heritage. Obviously these communities see whats happening elsewhere in the uk and do not wish for it to happen to them. It is their international right to protect their cultural heritage. Again are you saying international human rights conventions are inherently racist.

    The extent of eu law governing the uk rises to 70% if regulations and in particular eu treaties are included. The latter in particular shapes uk economic policy, uk immigration policy and uk international trade policy.
    https://fullfact.org/europe/uk-law-what-proportion-influenced-eu/

    Keeping the laws speeds up withdrawal negotiations, maintains an alignment with regulatory standards to maintain access to customs union for the time being and provides the platform for a free trade agreement.

    Also allows future democracy to decide what to keep/reform/scrap.

    Do you actually read posts properly. Always feel we are going round in circles, repeating myself.

    You need to counterargue, not throw out spurious bigoted claims which are more like unqualified rants.

    • avatar
      Duncan

      @Stephen, I can’t help but feel you are wasting your time. He clearly does not read posts correctly because he claims that me stating the fact that there are 430 million EU citizens able to immigrate to the UK under current conditions is me saying 430million EU citizens have swamped my local area. He also clearly isn’t willing to fact check otherwise he would know any spouse of a UK citizen who has been resident for 3 or more years within the UK has the right to permanent residency. Since this is a matter that could split his family up you would think he’d have looked into this, but clearly he is too busy calling all leave voters racist Nazis to actually do something constructive with his time.

  83. avatar
    Stephen Gwynne

    Im inclined to agree. We’re definitely leaving now so not that it matters too much rehashing all the Brexit arguments over and over again. Cheers.

    • avatar
      FRASER SIGSWORTH

      WILL BE GLAD WHEN WE ARE OUT AND ITS ALL OVER BEEN DEPRESSED BY THE NEWS FOR MONTHS .FIRST BREXIT THEN MORE BREXIT AND DODGY MPS .I THREW MY TV OUT QUIET A WHILE AGO.I DONT TRUST THEM AT ALL NOTHING IS GOING TO CHANGE.

    • avatar
      A Free British European

      Theresa May has sold us all down the river to stop her party from fracturing.

      In terms of fact checking, I posted a reply to Duncan, regarding migration in his area, including the link and the moderators saw fit not to allow it, despite no threats, clean language and an Office of National Statistics link. So the moderators clearly have an agenda.

      I do, however, now agree with @Stephen, the debate is now essentially pointless, on any subject, as democracy is dead in the UK and the far right have won. The division in the nation is real, and will remain for generations.

      I wish all of you the best going forward, and that sincerely includes you Duncan. Looks like my family and I will be moving to the continent.

  84. avatar
    Niks

    English voted for brexit because in Britain you have Europeon people who looks better than English good looking and don’t take the English as anything special the Asian and the blacks and Chinese the English always looked down on them but the Europeans they can’t because the English looks ugly in front of the Europeans eropeons are more cleaner than the English English are more tight Europeans are more spenders Europeans don’t look up to the English like the blacks Asians basically Europeans don’t give shit about the english that’s why

    • avatar
      Duncan

      See, now that’s racism!

    • avatar
      A Free British European

      Niks,

      i’m afraid you are deranged and clearly harbour a huge hatred to the English. Perhaps an English person rejected you?

      I suggest you seek counselling . You are adding no value to the debate.

      In other news, the sovereignty of British Parliament has been restored and i now hope that MPs will have the moral fortitude (dreamland, i know) to vote in the best interests of the nation.

  85. avatar
    FRASR SIGSWORTH

    TOLD YOU NOTHING WOULD CHANGE BREXIT IS BEING BLOCKED BY THE LAW AND TRAITORS IN PARLIMENT THRES NO WAY OUT NOW THOSE LEFTIES GINA MILLER WHO IS NOT EVEN REAL ENGLISH BUT A FORIGNER AND THE HIGH COURT HAVE SPOKEN OUR RULERS HAVE SPOKEN THE RIGHTS OF TH PEOPLE DEMOCRACY IS DEAD,THEY HAVE REBRANDED IT POPULISM TO DISCREDIT REAL DEMOCRACY BECAUSE THE POLITICLE ELITE ARE GOING TO STOP BREXIT .THEY HAVE LET LOOSE TH DOGS OF WAR.:-((((( FREEDOM FREEDOM I CRY

  86. avatar
    Bobi Dochev

    Why… because they are wise enough to see the sinking ship and get out of it! If Brussels doesn’t change its policy completely more ‘Exits” will follow and a great idea will be ruined by bunch of bureaucrats!

    • avatar
      Uli Czeranka

      great britain is not in the dublin system and schengen. so how is that the reason?

  87. avatar
    William Healey

    Lies about immigration and xenophobic hysteria being blasted out by the Mail, Sun and Express. Not to mention Theresa May’s time as Home Secretary where she also worked to convince the electorate that immigration is the root of all evil.

  88. avatar
    Andrew Potts

    Probably because the EU leadership was promoting a global agenda that has little to do with the interests of European interests. Ie interference in other countries or mass importation of workers when parts of the EU has mad unemployment levels.
    Then there is trust lost by people in EU institutions that run contrary to European society.

  89. avatar
    Mike Chambers

    There are many reasons why the British voted for Brexit. Perhaps the main one is that the EU has constantly failed to communicate with the British people. The EU has always failed to persuade the British media to carry their message. During the referendum the ‘remain’ campaigners had little positive news to work with, and so simply tried to frighten the British people. The ‘leave’ campaigners simply had to emphasise their message about taking back control and how much more money there would be after leaving the EU. The British people in the end believed the leave campaign. The remain campaigners failed because they had little or no support from the EU.

  90. avatar
    Cãlin Rednic

    In my opinion they voted out mostly because they were projected false or exagerated problems or wrong solutions to real problems that need a totaly different approach. On the other hand, GB isn’t anymore the great empire that used to be and being a part of a union, although it was a good thing for UK overall, amplified the complexes and the nostalgia of certain circles that try to build their ambitions on the cost of common citizen, in the end. A combination between group interests, a seducing fairy tale, nostalgia, projected fears and technologic present times that are still difficult to understand and control.

    • avatar
      Alex Browne

      It is simple distrust Calin. That whole empire thing is the complex of other people. Brits don’t talk or care about that

  91. avatar
    Wendy Harris

    All we heard from the EU were threats and dire warnings, even Obama got in on the act. It was a complete misunderstanding of the British psyche. We don’t like being bullied. We are still being bullied by those using their money and influence to try and overturn our democratic vote. Another massive mistake. Brexiteers are getting angrier and more right wing with every attempt. Remainers will reap the whirlwind because Farage is right when he predicts a revolution if the winners are denied their victory.

    • avatar
      Ignacio C. Furfaro

      I think it’s ironic that you say you don’t like being bullied, when bullying other states is precisely what Britain is historically, currently and systematically known for…

    • avatar
      Julia Hadjikyriacou

      Or it was reverse psychology. Brexit serves the elites, the financial sector, corporations and the tax haven network in the British overseas territories more than the people.

    • avatar
      Wendy Harris

      Ignacio C. Furfaro, ironic yourself. Three words – Roman Empire, Mussolini.

    • avatar
      Wendy Harris

      The EU are slaves to the elite, Julia. Brexit is about breaking their chains.

  92. avatar
    Stefania Portici

    gli inglesi e gli USA hanno dato una brutta società al mondo. Come avrebbero potuto piegare gli Stati europei alla globalizzazione e al neoliberismo ? Si sono inventati l’euro e l’Unione Europea , ecco cosa ci hanno fatto ! Gli inglesi sono stati sempre ai margini dell’Unione europea per dirigere l’operazione . Missione compiuta !? Sicuramente scatenano guerre non solo al di fuori dell’europa ma anche all’interno della UE . Quando la politica non è guidata dal buon senso comune ma è guidata dagli interessi succedono queste cose

    the British and the US have given a bad company in the world. How they could bend the European states to globalization and neoliberalism? They invented the euro and the European Union, this is what we have done! The English have always been the European Union’s margins to direct the operation. Mission accomplished !? Surely unleash wars not only outside of Europe but also within the EU. When the policy is not guided by common sense but is guided by the interests these things happen

  93. avatar
    Stefania Portici

    gli inglesi e gli USA hanno dato una brutta società al mondo. Come avrebbero potuto piegare gli Stati europei alla globalizzazione e al neoliberismo ? Si sono inventati l’euro e l’Unione Europea , ecco cosa ci hanno fatto ! Gli inglesi sono stati sempre ai margini dell’Unione europea per dirigere l’operazione . Missione compiuta !? Sicuramente scatenano guerre non solo al di fuori dell’europa ma anche all’interno della UE . Quando la politica non è guidata dal buon senso comune ma è guidata dagli interessi succedono queste cose

    the British and the US have given a bad company in the world. How they could bend the European states to globalization and neoliberalism? They invented the euro and the European Union, this is what we have done! The English have always been the European Union’s margins to direct the operation. Mission accomplished !? Surely unleash wars not only outside of Europe but also within the EU. When the policy is not guided by common sense but is guided by the interests these things happen

  94. avatar
    Ivan Burrows

    .

    Like most people across the EU the British have no love for the dogma of ‘ever closer union’ or the failed ideology behind it.

    Great Britain is the first to leave, it will not be the last.

    • avatar
      Stefania Portici

      neanche a noi piace l’Unione europea. Visto che vi piacciono i confini perchè non ve ne state dentro i vostri confini senza sconfinare i confini degli altri ? Questa mi sembra una buona riflessione

      either we like the European Union. Since you like the borders why not you stand inside your borders without encroaching on the boundaries of others? I think this is a good reflection

    • avatar
      Ivan Burrows

      .

      We are leaving the insular EU and rejoining the free world, not hiding behind the EU’s fake external borders.

    • avatar
      Stefania Portici

      il traduttore mi traduce cosi ” Ivan Burrows.

      Stiamo lasciando la insulare UE e ricongiungere il mondo libero, non nascondendosi dietro le frontiere esterne falsi dell’UE. ” , o non ha senso quello che hai detto o traduce male il traduttore. Non solo non ci capiamo come cultura ma neanche la lingua

  95. avatar
    Stefania Portici

    neanche a noi piace l’Unione europea. Visto che vi piacciono i confini perchè non ve ne state dentro i vostri confini senza sconfinare i confini degli altri ? Questa mi sembra una buona riflessione

    either we like the European Union. Since you like the borders why not you stand inside your borders without encroaching on the boundaries of others? I think this is a good reflection

  96. avatar
    Rumy Milten

    Because they are sick of the immigration and commie EU telling them what to do.

    • avatar
      Marian Rodu

      but they held the EU hostage to their interests for years…

    • avatar
      Ivan Burrows

      Marian Rodu .

      While Germany does not hold the EU hostage ?, the reality is Berlin owns the EU & they are welcome to it.

    • avatar
      Alex Browne

      Well is that not the failure of the EU Marian? Whoever said the interests of all the European countries would be aligned?

    • avatar
      Samuel Lisz

      It was your own government that invited for instance the Polish to do the dirty jobs on your island. I am happy about Brexit. No exceptions anymore for Britain.

  97. avatar
    Barbara Szela Lesniak

    Why do you continue asking these stupid questions? Haven’t we answered? It’s the Schultz, Juncker and Merkel thing – as long as EU has these mad leaders, member countries will leave.

  98. avatar
    Louis Jeffs

    The people who voted leave had different reasons. What’s important to remember is that there isn’t widespread support for leaving the EU. Many cities voted remain, the whole London region voted remain, the whole of Scotland and the majority of Northern Irish voted remain. There’s also quite an obvious demographic divide. This is nothing like it was in 1975 where it was a clear 70/30 remain vote with only a couple of places having anti-market majorities.

    • avatar
      Alex Browne

      Think you’ll find there is widespread support given the result

  99. avatar
    Alexandra Sitch

    Very simple: no connection, no real knowledge of Europe, no interest therefore….many voters googled after the referendum what the EU actually is!

  100. avatar
    Adriana Vasile

    I guess people from Britain who voted for Brexit have the same thinking of Trump, the mentality like 100 years ago!

    • avatar
      Ivan Burrows

      .

      We are looking at a bright new future while you believe in a failed ideology of the 1950’s. The EU belongs to the last century & has no place in this one.

      It is you who lives in the past.

    • avatar
      César Gonçalves

      Why is it taking SO LONG for the UK to invoke article 50 and go away for good then?

    • avatar
      Ivan Burrows

      .

      Europeans only drive on the right (wrong side of the road) because that’s the way Napoleon marched his troops, never being occupied we drive on the left..

  101. avatar
    Ivan Burrows

    .

    We are looking at a bright new future while you believe in a failed ideology of the 1950’s. The EU belongs to the last century & has no place in this one.

    It is you who lives in the past.

  102. avatar
    Ivan Burrows

    Marian Rodu .

    While Germany does not hold the EU hostage ?, the reality is Berlin owns the EU & they are welcome to it.

  103. avatar
    Dimitri Dragounis

    Because in Greece we had a referendum, we won it and the EU ignored our democratic process and imposed Greece with further memorandums and debt. EU is globalist and neoliberal, diminishing jobs and poor the citizens of the block. The Schengen area is filled with radical Islamists who bomb people and kill Christians by stepping on them with busses. EU bypasses democracy and laws, by imposing regulations. EU=banks first. I respect the EU but Greeks want out of it.

  104. avatar
    Michelle Maria

    because only the brainwashed work against themselves, obviously Britain is not in a trance

    • avatar
      João Machado

      Lamestream media mental constructions… And if there’s a trend, take some time understanding its origins. I’m pretty sure Brits are smart enough to realize what’s happening to their country and to preview its inevitable future. Same goes for Dutch, Catalans, Italians, Greeks, Czechs, etc ets.. Coincidence that all of them are opening their eyes in this specific time period? I wonder what’s happening over Europe that so many different people are reaching the same conclusions…. hmmm………..

  105. avatar
    Enric Mestres Girbal

    Probably because, like a lot of europeans, they were up to their bol……from the EU policies that brought misery to the continent. (economical, social, inmigration…)

    • avatar
      Alex Browne

      That is a big part of it

  106. avatar
    Silvio Bosco

    To build a future, no more time for wasting time empty talking in a Europe dominated by the national governments. Now it is tume to act and stand facing a true and hard dialogue

  107. avatar
    Mike Chambers

    Brexit happened because the EU failed. It failed to explain why the UK should remain. It failed to explain why it existed in the first place. It failed because no-one in Britain could see any value to remaining a part of the European Union. Brexit happened because the EU allowed – and still allows – the populist, national vote to gained momentum, while the MEPS in Brussels argue amongst themselves trying to get the most votes. Europeans don’t care about this. They care about what is happening to themselves and their families.

  108. avatar
    César Gonçalves

    considering that the UK always had a special treatment in the EU and just wanted the benefits of being in a Union without any of the obligations.

    The UK doesn’t want to spend money with the EU and also immigration is the biggest reason why Brexit won. But the fun fact about that is that most immigrants that get to the UK are not from EU nations so it is not the EU’s fault.

    • avatar
      César Gonçalves

      You are focusing on a group of immigrants.. there is always a bad seed. You cant know if someone is going to commit a crime in your country Nor assume all romanians (taking from this example) will do so. After Brexit won there was a surge in hate crimes towards immigrants from all places. Majority of EU migrants in the UK are skilled and have Higher education. And EU migrants are not the majority of those getting in the UK… I just feel a bit sad that things seem to be going backwards and not forward. Lets now hope the UK quickly activates Article 50 and leave and let the rest of Europe try to fix the Issues it has and get stronger and more United

  109. avatar
    André Alves

    Poor information regarding what it is the EU. The idea of the EU being a monster it’s spreading. And the unknown information of what it does, only gives the idea that it only absorbs taxes from the tax payer.

    • avatar
      Ivan Burrows

      :

      I think you will find we fully understand the EU’s migrant crisis, the Euro crisis, the banking crisis, the agricultural crisis, the democratic deficit crisis and the misery heaped onto millions of people across the EU..

      http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-38772117

    • avatar
      Alex Browne

      It is not a trustworthy organisation imo Andre

  110. avatar
    Sonia Micallef

    Let’s say that the systematized importation of migrants, islamization of Britain, the election of Sadiq Khan, the introduction of islamic banking and Sharia Courts are part of the reason. Let’s say the average British citizen has had enough of corrupt politicians both in UK and in Brussels. Let’s say the same sentiment is spread across all Europe and growing exponentially by the second. Let’s say that all this will finally cause the EU to implode.

    • avatar
      Samuel Lisz

      You are well aware when for instance the father of Khan migrated to Britain? British industries needed many decades ago cheap labour to exploit. Now all over people cry about Islamization (me included), while the real problem is internal defects of European societies, whose negative impact accumulates for decades, too. Don’t want to pay for own babies, but maintaining same standard of living… On costs of immigrants? Well, they just play their cards. But blaming EU or Muslims for one owns problems is the cheapest thing one can do. Stay on your island. But don’t expect rest of Europe granting you the same privileges like free market and legal securities while selfishly denying us the same rights.

  111. avatar
    Anatilde Alves

    I actually can’t wait to get rid of them. They never got in 100%, they didn’t even trust our currency, that’s why it isn’t as strong as it could be. Bye ✌

  112. avatar
    Anatilde Alves

    I actually can’t wait to get rid of them. They never got in 100%, they didn’t even trust our currency, that’s why it isn’t as strong as it could be. Bye ✌

  113. avatar
    Nicky Green-Vitiello

    Let’s hope all the lazy British benefit recipients will get off their backsides & stop taking my hard earned taxes Ivan Burrows & takeover from the Poles/Latvians in the carrot & potato fields & Wayne or Waynetta will smile as nicely as Karolina & Claudio do when they serve me my cappuchino …. I doubt it! The unskilled Brits aren’t interested ….it has been documented time &,time again

  114. avatar
    Nicky Green-Vitiello

    Let’s hope all the lazy British benefit recipients will get off their backsides & stop taking my hard earned taxes Ivan Burrows & takeover from the Poles/Latvians in the carrot & potato fields & Wayne or Waynetta will smile as nicely as Karolina & Claudio do when they serve me my cappuchino …. I doubt it! The unskilled Brits aren’t interested ….it has been documented time &,time again

  115. avatar
    Carla Rice

    The EU is firmly left-wing. Forever and ever and ever. There wasn’t enough time given to the debate on how disastrous it is to align yourself perpetually to one way of thinking. Regardless of your political persuasion, nearly everybody (sane) acknowledges how important it is to have a credible opposition. That’s why you have plenty of voters right now in the UK who feel uneasy that there isn’t a genuine opposition at present to the government. There are plenty of Tory voters who feel that way also. It just isn’t right to jump on a one-way train forever. You need genuine debate and challenge to keep things in check.

    Why don’t the bitter Remain voters realise this? Surely they know that other political persuasions exist? Most people acknowledge that it’s perfectly normal and acceptable to have different political views at a government level – yet people seem to have lost their minds and think you should usurp this and align yourself until eternity at a higher political level?

    For me, the finer details of Europe don’t matter. Fundamentally, left-wing thinking isn’t for me, and I don’t ever want to be in a position where I can’t switch it up if I think it’s best for the country. There are tons of people who have alternated between Tory and Labour in this country – they change their minds when they think the country needs it.

    So is it really such a stretch for people to see that so many people wish to reject a perpetual political system? For hard-line Remainers – imagine being governed forever by the EU equivalent of UKIP. If you abhor at the thought – let me remind you that that is how some of those who voted for Brexit feel.

    Not so difficult to understand now is it?

  116. avatar
    David Whittington

    The ignorant are so inclined for the want of change, that they throw out the baby with the bath water… Just like Russia in 1917, the people wanted freedom and change, but ended up with a more hideous incarnation…

  117. avatar
    mike

    Its not hard to understand it thing they did the right thing.

  118. avatar
    Stefania Petrosino

    you must remember that the majority of British people who voted to leave were white males over 50. young populations voted to stay but were out numbered.

    however, whether you believe it was due to ignorance or not, the British people will stick with it. many of my age group (20-30) are looking forward to having a reshape of politics and standards. there is a lot wrong with European union and it wont last forever. in 50 years time I doubt there will be an EU. Many countries want to leave and haven’t been able to. This can trigger something now which will see a reformation for the EU. I voted to stay only because the then conservative party didnt have a good enough plan once they left. It is getting better though.

    And all changes have mulitple reasons. there are prejudice and racisit reasons as well as logical and personal ones for an event. Trumps voters were based off of a mix of these as was the voters of Brexit. When you speak to those you chose to leave they chose to leave based off of past experiences of hardship and challenges. They actually may know better than that it being thought of.

    Whatever happens it really cant be bad. Political changes have to happen for nations to evolve. We cant be in the EU forever.

    • avatar
      Chalks Corriette

      Stefania – I was interested in your thoughts. Many of the issues Europeans and indeed the world, are facing have little to do with the EU administration machine or other administration groupings. The world has fundamentally changed. Tech, habits, dreams, education, travel, war, famine: have sparked much passion in all humans and changed our personal expectations. Governments and lobby groups have, and continue to fail to work together to seek solutions, to all major, mostly global problems. The whole world trades with everyone, flies people to/from countries, struggles with health care and education, face decisions on investment in transportation, wants to keep its citizens secure. The only way to do this, is to work together. Everyhting moves arond the world – doing anything in isolation is no longer an option or possible. The reason many administrations fail, is due to: a lack of full participation by those elected to represent. a lack of our ability to seek solutions that benefit all seven billion+ citizens on the planet. and, our sheer inability to be open to our way not being the right or only way. I truly hope that we find peaceful solutions to all the issues affecting us, and remember that the mind, like a parachute works best when open.

  119. avatar
    autocryobrexetology

    I wonder why so many postings claim that the EU is run by non-elected individuals. What about the European elections (European parliament in Strasbourg) ? In order for the EU to succeed, if anything, more centralisation is required is specific fields. Imagine the colossal savings of European member states, if the EU had one single pan-european army !!! Besides issues such as illegal immigration through North Africa to Spain and Italy and from Asia Minor to Greece would be handled in a much more efficient way, not to mention all other international issues, such as Turkey’s violation of Greece’s (therefore EU’s) national waters and airspace.

    • avatar
      kevin

      The European Parliament , the only elected body of the European Union only rubber stamps proposals , laws and legislations handed down from the Commission .
      A European army ? You really must be joking .Do you honestly think the EU would send a fleet to the South Atlantic if the Argentinians loose the plot again ,would the UK be happy sending troops to West Africa to protect French interests ? No, is the answer you are looking for .
      More centralisation would be a disaster ,its why the UK has voted to leave .

      The EU and Efficient really should not be used in the same sentence

  120. avatar
    Anti-Brexit

    I feel that Brexit should never have happened as it was totally an uncool move made by emotions rather than based on an economical point of view.

    • avatar
      kevin

      You are right , economics was never in the equation . The UK voted leave due to our parliamentary sovereignty being undermined by the EU ,our courts being over ruled by those in Europe and yes Emotions , emotions like handing over £50 million a day for what ?

  121. avatar
    Frank b

    These doughty defenders of our British way might at least first learn how to speak and spell the language correctly. It’d be a good start. Given that we by far the fattest in Europe, have the highest rates of teenage pregnancy, more incarcerated in prison-the list is endless- just what is this great British way of life that we are so anxious to defend? I have a new conspiracy theory: that brexit and trump came about purely to lend credence to Blair and George W Bush. In this it’s working well. Otherwise it will be (remember it hasn’t happened yet) a spectacular own goal that will make Albania seem like utopia

  122. avatar
    Free British European

    and so it finally begins.

    Mrs May will drag us over the cliff edge into a WTO regulated economy, with tariffs imposed by our biggest trading partner and closest neighbour.

    The pound is now worth 13% than it was on June 23rd 2016 and Inflation sits at 2.3% with the majority of forecasters saying it will hit 3% by the end of 2017.

    Teachers, Doctors, Nurses and Vets from the EU that have been polled are considering leaving in their thousands, with an NHS poll finding that 25000 skilled EU employees state that they will leave this year.

    Meanwhile an attempt was already made by the May government to hit the poorest paid with a NIC tax increase.

    The Scots and the Northern Irish are demanding or considering refenda of their own that could see our own Union split.

    Any of the above sound like “taking back control”?

    • avatar
      Sane Brexiteer

      Are you on drugs? The pound is not worth 13% what it was before June 23rd.
      Those “forecasters” are constantly being proved wrong and having to redo their forecasts.
      The 25000 nhs staff that are planning to leave that you speak of for example represent less than 1% of the official figure for the EU migration in the UK, assuming that the NHS is representatively proportionate to those EU migrants who plan to return then the net result is more NHS staff per head of population.
      The National Insurance Contributions increase would not have hit the worst off at all, that’s male cow excrement. It was aimed solely at the self employed, and would have not quite leveled the amounts paid by the self employed to those of people working for a company, it would have faired up the system some.
      The Scottish Indyref2 is Sturgeon’s doing, the majority of people in Scotland are against independence according to polls, and other polls show that approval for the EU in Scotland is at an all time low. Northern Ireland have their own issues with their assembly that they are currently trying to work out. Independence is not a popular word in their politics or mainstream news sources at the moment.
      In short, we get it, you wanted to stay in the EU. But that puts you in a minority in the UK, not majority. The lies you are perpetuating didn’t convince the UK during the run up to the referendum, all they’re doing now is sounding bitter and frankly your rhetoric about the end of the world because of Brexit is as far away from helpful to what was always going to be a difficult few years as it would be if you were to be put in charge of the negotiations and deliberately made our exit deal as bad as possible.

    • avatar
      Free British European

      Sane,

      13% less, forgive my typo. that figure is fact.

      1% of EU migration but 3% of trained, educated NHS employees.

      The NICS contributions would have hit care workers and cleaners in the private sector who are forced to work as self employed contractors so that the companies with the lucrative contracts do not have to pay sick or holiday pay. read up on a subject before commenting.

      IndyRef2 was not on the cards until June 23rd 2015, so hardly Sturgeon’s doing. The Irish question is more complicated than you make out and the NI breaking away is a real possibility.

      As for your attempts to stop any opposition to your goose-stepping into national socialism by stating i should stop, read up on democracy and free speech before coming back. You merely make yourself sound like a school bully otherwise. There will be no deal with the EU, may already stated we will leave the single market, all that’s left for us to do is pay what we owe and disappear into economic and political obscurity.

  123. avatar
    FRASER

    FUNNY FUNNY PEOPLE BREXIT HAS CHANGED NOTHING.WE WILL STILL BE PAYING INTO THE E.U EVEN AFFER WE OFFICIALY LEAVE:-)CALL ME SYNICAL BUT DO YOU THINK THE ELITES IN UK AND BRUSSELS WOULD BE ANOUNCING ARTICLE 50 IF A DEAL HAD NOT ALREADY BEEN DONE IN PRINCIPLE?FUNNY THING ABOUT POLOTICS ITS JUST WAR BY ANOTHER NAME.ALL WAR IS ONE WAR THE WAR OF THE AGES .YOU THE SHEEP BLIND TO WHATS IN FRONT OF YOU.BUT THEN YOUR MENT TO BE.

  124. avatar
    Frank b

    One of the greatest ironies of this sorry mess is that those turkeys who most enthusiastically opted for xmas are the same who will most lose out from brexit. I will draw some comfort from watching them lose their jobs and see their meagre funds swallowed up by rampant inflation. It’s been interesting to note that those of my acquaintances who voted remain are usually younger, more dynamic creative successful tech savvy open minded and educated while the brexiteers tend to be older unsuccessful frankly not terribly bright, bitter disappointed climate sceptic (that tired trope) and looking for someone else to blame for their failed lives. I do however owe them a big thanks: most of my investments are offshore and have soared in recent times due to their unwitting mistake. Every cloud…..

  125. avatar
    Free British European

    and so, a Laura Ashley clad, watered-down Thatcher begins the process of selling our country down the river, to the highest bidder.

    soon, the minimum wage will be scrapped as the harsh realities of WTO tariffs and no single market access means businesses cannot stay competitive unless they can pay subsistence wages. we will become the “poor man of Europe” again, but this time there will be no going back. The Germans have made it clear, they will accept tariffs over profit, and take principle over greed. I applaud them for it.

    We may well see the return of nigh on 1 million pensioners to place further strain on underfunded service, including the NHS, because the EU no longer feels obliged to care for our elderly. The lie of £350 million a week was admitted to 9 months ago. 25000 EU nationals within the NHS are planning to leave, whilst our students take media studies degrees. There will be no-one to fill that skills gap for a decade at least.

    We will see an able bodied workforce from other sectors, who have done nothing but benefit our nation, return to their home nations to drive their prosperity there, whilst ours dwindles.

    We will see the Government sully our nations’ standing in the world by refusing to settle our bill.

    and i fear, we will see the Union of the British Isles end, as the Scots gain independence and Ireland is united.

    Look forward to your tax haven Brexiteers, off shore money has little need for welfare, social services, healthcare or infrastructure. nor does it support workers rights.

    The Turkeys voted for Christmas and it’s time the slow roast began. Those of you who feel as i do, convert all of your assets to cash, and leave. The inherently racist, bigoted and ignorant half of the nation do not deserve your toil or time. Leave them to dwindle into obscurity and rot in their own hate-filled introspection, peering through rose-tinted spectacles at a past that never really existed.

    Great Britain died today. March 29th 2017. R.I.P

  126. avatar
    JJU PI

    Thank God they left the EU. I mean, they were always an exception to anything… They think they know everything and they think they are better than most of us living elsewhere… Ugh…

  127. avatar
    Hilly

    I work as a social research interviewer and the way the whole Brexit vote has been portrayed is far too simplistic. I have interviewed a wide range of voters who voted out and the majority were in work, reasonably off, and reasonably educated. They were not racists but understood the process of democracy and felt the EU lacked this fundamentally. The older voters remembered voting to join the EEC not the EU and felt that a Federal Europe was being gradually imposed on the European population without sanction. If only organisations like the BBC would look at this issue with more depth and without its own bias towards remaining within the EU this could be explored as it is an issue for the whole of Europe and not just the UK.

  128. avatar
    Erik Jakub Citterberg

    Because there are school clubs with better brand image then EU. Hire some good PR team and someone who knows how to communicate with all people not just with those that happen to have the same worldview as you.

    Like so many people is saying this, EU is the worst at telling people what it does so it seems that all it does is telling them what to do.

    • avatar
      Stephen Pockley

      Why is it sadly wanting to control mass immigration and deciding who comes in?.

  129. avatar
    Patricia Smith

    maybe preference to have a closer resemblance to the EEC and not a federation project which was not voted for. Dealing with 1 home grown political system requiring overhaul is sufficient

  130. avatar
    John Vincent

    “blame”. Why does one level of government blame another (regional, national, local)? One: if gets polticians elected, two: its easier than solving problems, three: the media love it, four: we all go along with it and the short term costs dont register

    • avatar
      Zeljka Jeramaz

      They together with Americans are the cause of the Middle East chaos. They should take the refugees.

    • avatar
      John Wilson

      We let in Bulgarian refugees all the time without anyone telling us.

  131. avatar
    Ivan Burrows

    Because the EU is not what we were told it was when we joined, basically the EU is a lie.

    • avatar
      Ivan Burrows

      Pierluigi Michetti That must be the pointless answer to any question ever lol

    • avatar
      Panagiotis Dimisianos

      This is the point… EU have been changed enough. Year by year is less a Union…

    • avatar
      Federico Rossi

      Why you, stinking drunk Briton, are here, on this pro-eu page? Return to your euros(c)eptic friends and do not break our balls.

    • avatar
      John Wilson

      Ivan Burrows having a mass-debate all by himself. He clearly is a w*nker.

    • avatar
      Ivan Burrows

      John Wilson (troll) is that the best you have comrade ?

  132. avatar
    Venko Drumchiyski

    Before to answer to this question You can ask for profile to people who voted “yes” for Brexit – most of them are old people who can’t see how fast move the world. Many young English people move to another country: Germany, Australia, New Zealand, USA…ask them why they move from UK – they prefer better climate, better job, diferent culture, better life Brexit make UK and EU weakly. UK and EU we are not the only one economic in the world. If we not stand together our economics one by one will falling down very soon more faster than old people can imagine

    • avatar
      Y a r i

      Nope again.

    • avatar
      Federico Rossi

      If to say that are people that really want a dictatorship like you, is sure that is the better democratic institution in history.

    • avatar
      Gabriel Orentas

      The European Union is not Angela Merkel’s invention. Is the result after living the horrors of WWI and WWII. It brought the kind of peace everyone can enjoy now

    • avatar
      Viorika Motoi

      Is not ,but she order oll we shood make whith ask anyone!

    • avatar
      John Wilson

      The Eurozone is getting stronger every day, just look at the confidence in the Euro.

  133. avatar
    Doru Beldiman

    Merkel divided Europe! The worst Chancellor ever! I really don’t understand how some Germans are still voting for such an incompetent (to be polite).

    • avatar
      Gabriel Orentas

      It is very easy to say that, but would you care to argue your point?

    • avatar
      John Wilson

      No. Trump divided America and Brexit divided the UK.

      Just about the only good news from the West is the EU.

    • avatar
      Doru Beldiman

      John Wilson You are wrong. Obama devided America and Merkel flooded Europe sith Africans and Arabs…..now, is terror all over Europe.

  134. avatar
    Anatilde Alves

    It’s more of the same, since they never even even had our currency getting those benefits for free.

    • avatar
      Stephen Pockley

      What benefits did we get for free exactly?.
      I’m pretty sure we have paid hundreds of billions to the EU over these decades, in fact 2nd biggest contributor.

    • avatar
      Anatilde Alves

      Happy they are goners! UK made much more than its contributions. There’s lots of benefits in economic growth that come with it. Nobody is gonna miss the UK, responsible for the currency not being as strong as it could be. Anyways. Nobody cares anymore.

  135. avatar
    Anatilde Alves

    It’s more of the same, since they never even even had our currency getting those benefits for free.

  136. avatar
    Anatilde Alves

    It’s more of the same, since they never even even had our currency getting those benefits for free.

  137. avatar
    Anatilde Alves

    It’s more of the same, since they never even even had our currency getting those benefits for free.

  138. avatar
    Anatilde Alves

    It’s more of the same, since they never even even had our currency getting those benefits for free.

  139. avatar
    Anatilde Alves

    It’s more of the same, since they never even even had our currency getting those benefits for free.

  140. avatar
    Anatilde Alves

    It’s more of the same, since they never even even had our currency getting those benefits for free.

  141. avatar
    Anatilde Alves

    It’s more of the same, since they never even even had our currency getting those benefits for free.

    • avatar
      Stephen Pockley

      It’s in the Magna Carta No foreign power shall control us and the EU is all about controlling nation states and gradually eroding their sovereignty.

  142. avatar
    Dorothy Brunton

    Personally ( though not me ) I think a lot of people were duped and sold an ideal and not the truth. There was a lot of money to be made by the rich.

  143. avatar
    Paul Vincent

    For many reasons. There is no doubt that for many, the unprecedented increase in inward migration of last decade, with the subsequent impact on jobs, services and changes to local communities fed into an anti EU rhetoric.
    For many others though, the vote was a result of the divergence in the vision of what the EU should be.
    Most appreciate the economic and social benefits of free movement for work and leisure…but were against the rapidly increasing trend towards a federal state..with all its contraptions…e.g., own foreign office…army…..supreme court..combined with an ever more distant legislature which lacked accountability.

    Despite the lip service given to standing up for individuals rights…in reality the EU has protected big business and corporation…and of course the biggest beast…i.e. Germany at the expense of the smaller units/nations.

    The failings of the euro..and most of all the ecb will sow the seed of its eventual downfall, unless true fiscal union is enacted……do all remaining 27 really get that…..and will all be content with the German hegemony that will be the result ?
    Failing that..the future is a series of crisis mgmt..boom/bust.

    • avatar
      Gabriel Orentas

      Germany is the guy at the pub who pays the bill when everybody else bails. Ireland goes bust? Germany pays the bill, Greece goes bust? Germany pays again, Spain and Portugal get in trouble, yet again Germany banks the money. In terms of finances, Germany is the most competent and dependable country in the world and ends up paying everyones elses debts.

      The real problem in Europe is the sheer selfishness of certain serctors of society. When the EU constitution was released, the UK sayd it was “too socialist” and France said it was “way too liberal”…

      The Euro is one of the strongest currencies in the world, in good part thanks to France and Germany and every country in Europe has got the benefits of that.

      Of course, a lot of people would love to see the EU fail. Some dream about it every day. Nigel Farage for instance, the guy that speaks so badly about EU while making 8000 euro a month “working” at the European Parliament… But the EU doesn’t mind, why? Because in the eyes of the EU everyone has the right to express their voice, no matter how stupid they may sound. That, is Democracy, that, is freedom, that is the liberty we can enjoy every day in this continent and that is why the vast mayority of people in Europe simply can’t see their lives withount the European Union.

    • avatar
      Paul Vincent

      Gabriel..I can appreciate your enthusiasm for the EU though I don’t share it. However your understanding of the repeated bailouts and actions of the ecb & troika over last few years in the med states I’m afraid is lacking.
      The bailouts were made essentially to assist the credit or banks ( mostly German) and other financial institutions…of course the profligacy if those states was the initial cause….but don’t pretend that the actions of Germany (and others) were in any way altruistic….it severed their own ends…..in the same way that their continued flouting of EU rules on current A/C targets has drained liquidity from the weaker states and forced them into internal evaluations leading to the mass unemployment and a l ok st generation.
      Nb,, I’m NOT blaming Germany…but this is the consequence of trying to force marriage of mismatched economies. This will only be fixed by either rtf her full fiscal union, encompassIng debt forgiveness and fiscal transfers between states….or a radically reformed EU.
      Let’s see what happens.

  144. avatar
    Wendy Harris

    The British were never asked if they wanted to be part of a super state ruled by Germany. Had they been asked that question in the first referendum we would never have joined. The young are afraid of change, the elders are not because they remember independence. None of us were asked if we wanted our countries to embrace the cult of Islam and to have our own cultures overwhelmed and swept away.
    None of us agreed to the import of cheap labour that would drive down wages and halt investment in the training of our own young people.
    There were many reasons and the EU daily add more when we see their bullying of Greece and Poland and their attempts to bully us. We will not part as friends if this continues and that will be a great pity.

    • avatar
      Gabriel Orentas

      I love Britain, a lot. Britain is as unique as it is beautiful. Many of my friends are British and like theirs, my heart went broke after seeing the referendum results.

      You mention the “young are afraid of change”. If you look at the results, the fact is the oposite. It is the old generation who wanted to stop the change. It is the young who look at the future and see it in a united Europe.

      The problem is that some people in Britain consider that the EU was something inflicted on them. They still hold the old complexes about WWII. They talk about it all the time, more than any other nation in Europe. There is a great number of people in Britain who still resent WWII beacuse it marked the end of everything. It was the end of the empire, it was the end of Britain as the big player in the world, it was the day Britain lost the “Great” and became just Britan, Why?

    • avatar
      Gabriel Orentas

      Because the US and Russia were the big players now. During the long dicussions after the war, Churchill himself was left out. It was Stalin and Roosevelt were discussing the details in private.

      For decades, Britain would have to bear the weight of not being a big geopolitical player anymore. Even worst, every prime minister to this date has danced to the tune the United States of America decided to play, whether it was the invasion of Afghanistan or the invation of Iraq. Britain always agreed.

      If anything, the British have not been govern by Brussels as much as they have been govern by the White House ever since 1945.

    • avatar
      Wendy Harris

      It is the EU that is languishing in the past and will not accept that it is a failed experiment.
      You are completely wrong, the elders know that the UK is a great trading nation whose hands are being tied by the EU from being able to trade freely with nations around the world who could certainly use our custom in order to prosper themselves. What exactly do you hate about us being able to buy goods from poorer countries?
      Yes, we are entitled to be resentful about WW2, there are still people alive who fought in that war and there are people who were robbed of family they might otherwise have had, such as cousins because their uncles didn’t return from the war. We are still affected by the lives that were lost and are angry that their sacrifice was in vain. If our forefathers had known there would be a Fourth Reich they would have refused to fight. We would have left Europe to the Germans and made our peace with Hitler.
      This time we are getting out before the next war starts and leaving the rest of you to German or Islamic rule or whatever else you choose to bow down to. We will not be a part of it.

  145. avatar
    AJ Nemec

    Because the British are being replaced in their own country and want it to stop?

  146. avatar
    Irene Rosa

    Because they want to be alone! They have nothing to share and give! I hope they don’t want to keep the benefits of the EU.

    • avatar
      Gabriel Orentas

      Sadly, that is not the case. As Boris Johnson put it, they want to “have and eat the cake at the same time”

    • avatar
      Nick Pawley

      You clearly haven’t met the British, Irene. The British right hates anyone with benefits!!

    • avatar
      Irene Rosa

      I refer to benefits like, for example, participating in EU programmes in educational and scientific fields, like ERASMUS and COMENIUS! This is just an example!

    • avatar
      Ruth Clayton

      Irene – Erasmus, 33 countries take part – 5 are non EU countries – e.g. Turkey etc. Comenius – hm, thought that “scheme” finished a few years ago.

  147. avatar
    Gabriel Orentas

    Because there is an entire generation living in 1905 who simply can’t undertand the realities of the modern world. So they opted to live in the past. The young overwhelmingly voted to stay in Europe, unfortunately they were runned over by their grand parents. That is exactly what happened and, you can double check it in the results of the referendum.

    • avatar
      Stephen Pockley

      B.S. people of all ages voted to leave , that’s why Leave won .Oh dont forget to say about daily papers printed lies about the EU FFS.
      The fact is most of us had made our mind up about the EU long before the referendum was even thought of.
      I never wanted this fake EU identity it was forced on me against my will.

    • avatar
      Gabriel Orentas

      As I said, you can check the referendum results, the facts are there. And the leave vote won by a very stretch margin.

      Most of the leave campaigners used false arguments which they themselves admitted after the referendum.

      Absolutely no one ever force Britain to do anything. In fact, the first attempt to make a EU constitution fail because Britain didn’t like it.

      Nigel Farage despide all the BS he talks didn’t quit the EU parliament. He kept on earning money from the institution he so despised…

      In any case, this is not the first time Britain opted out from the EU, and it won’t be the last.

  148. avatar
    David Moody

    “understand the realities of the modern world.” Analyze this——->https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TFC18pFvo1g&t=584s

  149. avatar
    David Moody

    Followed by.. (Skip to 34:30mins in ;) ) —->https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bKwO1onXAaI&t=2162s

  150. avatar
    Stephen Pockley

    Venko Drumchiyski That is not true at all , people voted Brexit of all ages and from most of the areas of the UK too.

  151. avatar
    Wallace Olson

    The open borders, and open trade are hurting them. There needs to be some control and accountability somewhere.

  152. avatar
    Federico Rossi

    Because they are deliberately deceived from infamous people, and now they will pay the consequences.

    • avatar
      Ivan Burrows

      What are you talking about ? Our unemployment is down to the lowest level since 1975, investment is up and exports are up so if they are the consequences of leaving the pointless EU then you will find other Nations leaving sooner rather than later. :)

  153. avatar
    Nick Pawley

    Can someone clarify who ‘The British’ is meant to refer to in this post? Because I thought Scots, Northern Irish and Londoners were British. But they didn’t vote Brexit. Nor did nigh-on half the population – including over 70% of young people who voted. So who are this unitary ‘British’ lot you are referring to? I voted remain – am I no longer British?

  154. avatar
    Tommy Leydon

    Because the north of England has been neglected by successive uk governments for 30 years and they chose to blame the EU

  155. avatar
    Will Jennings

    Probably because the older generation got bored and wanted something to be different

  156. avatar
    Coin Gray

    The brexit vote was in effect a protest against politicians both in the UK and the EU. British citizens were being lectured and threatened by wealthy, cosseted individuals who live in a bubble of privilege and status. They were told that the EU was good for them.
    If you’re living on the bread line and struggling to heat your home and feed your children, the last thing you want is a rich celebrity or politician instructing you on what’s good for you. London has boomed but many other parts of Britain have suffered over the past few decades.
    The EU is a corrupt, poorly run, monstrous club. Have they ever signed of their budget?? I don’t recall voting for Tusk or Juncker etc
    It is controlled by Germany with France and Italy as their willing lap dogs.
    Britain will struggle for 5 or 10 years but many see it as worth it.
    The problem comes when May walks away with no deal and EU citizens living in the UK are left in limbo. All 3 and a half million of them.

  157. avatar
    Mick Turner

    The Brexit vote was an inevitable consequence of what has been perceived by the British public as uncontrolled immigration from eastern europe.

  158. avatar
    dan

    So you asked John Claude Juncker the president no one wanted, a man that was only elected because the the European Commission would not let anyone. Run against him. is the head of an undemocratic an elected body. The European Commission, who makes laws in secret with no oversight and almost no way of getting rid of them who then got appointed his Assistant. As eu president again by not letting anyone run against him. In the pocket of big business. Bought and paid for the European Commission.

  159. avatar
    trudy heppleston

    I am a Cornish re-moaner who has been lucky enough to travel the world and I hate Brexit! I believe UK better respected staying in EU, rather than being an isolated little country on its own. Europe, which we are part of, needs to stand together.

    • avatar
      kevin

      Brexit is a made up title by remoaners to describe our leaving the EU . What we voted for was independence and independence is what we shall have . We will not be isolated and as the 5th largest economy in the World we are hardly a little country . In fact we are not a country at all but a United Kingdoms .

      We always as we have proved in the past and at great cost stand with Europe ,we just don’t want to be controlled by it .

  160. avatar
    Phil Cook

    We just had Armistice day, when we remember those that fought to stop us being ruled and taken over from abroad. Have all those brave men and woman that lost their lives fighting for our independence died in vein? we were once a great industrial nation, sadly, it would seem many have forgotten this.

  161. avatar
    anton manwaring

    Im an EX pat. living in SE Asia. because i cant afford britain I am all for getting out of the EU. why do we have to cowtow to these people and have not much say in anything we do, and give them astronomical ammounts to boot
    BUT i want a clean break a final get out and no ties , we voted for that Now lets do it , otherwise it was a waste of time voting not to mention 17 million voters will be dissapointed , May has sold us down the river with her deal , make a clean break OUT MEANS OUT

    • avatar
      Chalks

      These people have done nothing to the UK. The UK are in charge and have full control over the things that they say are not right. Every other EU country also has control and they implement the tools and training. Even if the UK want a change in 2019, they still have some six years of work ahead of them to prepare the NHS, border control systems, customs changes for business, Port upgrades, WTO schedules and so on. The work could have been done many years ago and should have started in 2016, no matter the outcome because managing your resources is a good thing. Do not get me wrong, I am not saying the UK should not leave. I am saying they lack the discipline to do it in 2019. Which is why May and the EU are trying to put in place a temporary situation to allow a transition to happen. Whilst people are unhappy with the prospect of a transition, it will be as long or short as the UK make it. The most amount of physical work to be done is within the UK borders. They need to plan that work and then they will know the actual date the UK will be free of EU membership.

  162. avatar
    Chalks

    These people have done nothing to the UK. The UK are in charge and have full control over the things that they say are not right. Every other EU country also has control and they implement the tools and training. Even if the UK want a change in 2019, they still have some six years of work ahead of them to prepare the NHS, border control systems, customs changes for business, Port upgrades, WTO schedules and so on. The work could have been done many years ago and should have started in 2016, no matter the outcome because managing your resources is a good thing. Do not get me wrong, I am not saying the UK should not leave. I am saying they lack the discipline to do it in 2019. Which is why May and the EU are trying to put in place a temporary situation to allow a transition to happen. Whilst people are unhappy with the prospect of a transition, it will be as long or short as the UK make it. The most amount of physical work to be done is within the UK borders. They need to plan that work and then they will know the actual date the UK will be free of EU membership.

    • avatar
      Duncan

      I disagree with some of what you say. Agree with other parts. The key principle here is the exclusionist nature the EU has had. The people of the UK have not been asked for consent in any format with regards to EU evolution. We haven’t got the ability under EU legislation to enforce our borders correctly and several other aspects. I do agree the level of preparations are abysmal. And the issue with the transitional period is the clause that will separate Northern Ireland from the rest of the UK in event no deal is reached, and also now Gibraltar unless Spain say differently?! Utterly unacceptable.

  163. avatar
    Gertie

    It’s all about freedom & democracy. 2world wars where our father’s & grandfathers fought & died to give us freedom to govern our country on our own,without hindrance from other country’s dictating on every part of our lives.All we hear from remoaners is about how poor we will be if we leave the eu .It’s not about money,its about freedom! Remoaners are a sad lot ,void of patriotism,or any pride in our country,having been brainwashed over the years by left wing media & teachers most of who me have little or no respect got there country.

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