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The EU is a bunch of unelected bureaucrats. At least, so runs a common criticism levied by eurosceptics at the 28-member bloc. According to this argument, the so-called “democratic deficit” means that European functionaries wield significant power, yet are unaccountable to electorates.

The reality is more complicated. Much of the power in the European Union is, in fact, held by elected governments in the European Council and the Council of Ministers; the directly-elected European Parliament has steadily increased in power and importance with each treaty revision; even Jean-Claude Juncker, the President of the European Commission, ran an election campaign during the 2015 European Parliament elections, securing his position only because the centre-right European People’s Party (EPP) got the most votes.

We had a comment sent in from Dario on our Suggest a Debate page, asking whether everybody with power should be directly elected.

At the national level, those with political power are not always “directly elected”. In a parliamentary system, for example, heads of government are elected by parliament (thus being “indirectly elected”). In most legal systems, judges are not elected. Police chiefs are usually unelected, and military commanders always so. Central bank heads are appointed, and often (nominally) independent of government control.

But should everybody in a position of power be directly elected? Would that help close the “democratic deficit”? Or would it just lead to “election fatigue”, with lower voter turnout? Let us know your thoughts and comments in the form below, and we’ll take them to policymakers and experts for their reactions!

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What do YOU think?

  1. avatar
    Julia Hadjikyriacou

    If there was a code of ethics encompassing, social, financial, environmental and the right to life, health and happiness that all elected and unelected officials had to adhere to it wouldn’t matter either way. Either people get elected and harm humanity and the planet, or they are unelected and harm humanity and the planet makes no difference unless harm is eradicated permanently and is not an option-ever.

    • avatar
      Yavor Hadzhiev

      Hi Julia. Your thought seems to me to be too idealistic, still I agree with it. But I think that you are confusing ethics with justice.

      These are strongly related, but democratic legitimacy is a form of justice that has less to do with personal ethics and behaviour and more to do with the ultimate fairness of a political system and its compatibility with democratic ideals.

      As a thought experiment, consider a very good behaving political body that is not directly elected. If it suddenly (or not so suddenly) starts behaving unethically, how would you substitute or hold it properly accountable?

    • avatar
      Duncan

      @Julia I agree with you completely. Sadly, human nature and ability for error in judgement make this ideal situation an unlikely possibilty.

  2. avatar
    Ivan Burrows

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    Only after every member State holds a referendum to see how ‘integrated’ they want to be.

    • avatar
      nando

      Correct. Directly elected but with power to make decisions behind closed doors is a futile effort.

  3. avatar
    David Heal

    I have yet to come across any civil servant anywhere who was elected to his job. What is always funny is that when the elected and accountable politicians have made a decision, they always go away and leave the civil servants (officials, they call them), to try and work out what they meant and come up with something workable (sorting out the details, they call it).

  4. avatar
    George

    We don’t have to attempt answering questions of anti European populists. We need political science classes in schools.

    • avatar
      Danny Boy

      ‘Political science’ is that what they are calling indoctrination these days?.If Stalin was alive today my friend he would be proud of you.

    • avatar
      Ali Pfandl

      Correct! There is no democracy with uneducated people!

    • avatar
      space

      No one needs your answer

    • avatar
      EU reform- proactive

      It says what? Rene, to be fair one can similarly scrutinize the last EP 2014 election results. Roughly 202 (say 25%) of the EP 751 seats can be classified as “Euro skeptics” & growing. Participation was on an all-time low since 1979- only 42.16%.

      ~ 80% participation would indicate a highly respectable interest and overall “support” for the EU concept. It shows the opposite- ~half are totally disinterested! Why? What are these ~ 50% abstainers really thinking about the EU? Mixed feelings? Does it represent a protest vote- more “sleeping” EU skeptics? I don’t know- do you?

      Playing with stats to “prove” a “low Brexit” support of only 37,3% (according to your attached article)- the high ~75% all pro EU party support in the EP would show an equal dismal 31.62% overall EU support, considering only 42.16% participated in the EP 2014 election. An even WORSE picture than Brexit!

      What do all these figures in the end really reflect? Everyone is using them to prove his point and cast doubt?

  5. avatar
    Enric Mestres Girbal

    Being directly elected doesn’t mean they are better or clever….the EU should break and go back to separate nations…..probably then some country would have decent politicians.

    • avatar
      Duncan

      I think it’s a case of each country will have some decent politicians. Sadly the game that is politics is rigged against people who play fair and have a moral compass, so those decent politicians are far less likely to get into a position where they implement beneficial change. They are more likely in fact to slowly become the ‘deals behind closed doors’ type of politicians. Probably in a slow starting spiral pattern. They back some idea they disagree with in return for help with something they do agree with, and so on and so forth until they are simply trading political support like a currency just as the corrupt politicians around them do.

  6. avatar
    GrahamandLinda Hinkin

    All that make decisions should be elected And accountable . The fact that the people making decisions are not elected is our fault. Time for change.

  7. avatar
    Hector Niehues-Jeuffroy

    Yes, everybody with power should be directly elected. Each and every executive in public administration. Each minister, each deputy minister, and so on. Don’t forget daily confirmation votes. 24/7 voting, 365 days a year. This. Is. Democracy!!!!1111 You thought you knew populism? We will show you real populism!

    • avatar
      Yavor Hadzhiev

      Hector, creating a fallacy of the extreme contributes in no serious way to this discussion.

  8. avatar
    Vinko Rajic

    Democracy is really strange or better decisions European Parliament made are really strange . We have terrible problem with pollution and climate change but this is EU decision : “The tariffs on Chinese made solar panels range from 100% to 110%” . 100% wind , solar and hydro is very simple and cheap to achieve.
    NOTHING is more simple and cheaper for the EU than to create energy security but the EU is barrier to it. I could do it , I could solve energy supply for the EU for the next 50 Years for less money then the EU spend under 5 Years for import of dirty energy . HOW ? The tariffs on Chinese made solar panels range from 100% to 110% , we should have it 0% and 0% on electric cars . Remove all tariffs on Chinese made solar panels and help EU manufacturing with example 0,2 Euro/Watt . 100% solar, wind and hydro is very cheap and clean option for the EU. Price for solar panels is under 0,5 Euro/Watt . EU could simple order 2000 gigawatt solar panels for 1000 billion Euro . EU should give for free 10 to 50 kW of solar panels to all EU citizens ( 10 – 500 kW to farmers) willing to install it by themselves . They should pay off those panels with electricity they don’t use also with electricity they send back to the grid. To install it like this is simple and cheap , it is like IKEA furniture : https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z04p6-zK5-o
    When we have energy we don’t need we should produce hydrogen and store it : https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mNHwi6IryNI

    • avatar
      EU reform- proactive

      Great Vinko wizardry at work again? Copy & paste from the previous forum question?
      Hello: The “issue” this time is not renewable green (PV electrical) power, but wasteful elected, unelected & to be disconnected political blue, left & right wing power!

  9. avatar
    Luchian Mdm

    And also forced to resign by referendum when they start threatining the security of the europeans citizens like in the current case of Jean Claude Juncker and the rest of traitors which are importing endless numbers of potential terrorist and member of a violent cult whose law -sharia is against democratic values and thus puts them in conflict with western civilization and on the route to terrorism.

  10. avatar
    Belamie Versco

    Should politics just depend on who makes the best speeches on TV? There are other substantial factors to consider like study results on pollution eg….which the politician in charge should be able to analyse well. Being voted for does not necessarily cover competence.

  11. avatar
    Ivan Vikalo

    Sure let’s elect every single civil servant and police chief as well… stupid idea

    • avatar
      Yavor Hadzhiev

      Fallacy of the extreme, yet again.

  12. avatar
    Alain Rak

    We had no choice in Luxembourg. We the people want to stay if there are a lot of reform and a national referendum to agree with important decisions. Europe don’t bring us anything.

  13. avatar
    robert watson

    it amazes me .the british people say the eu is undemocratic.but the truth is its the uk thats undemocratic..head of state the queen unelected.house of lords is the second chamber,nobody elected.its about what the eu has achieved and the way it has led austerity.if we carry on with austerity there will be no eu

  14. avatar
    EU reform- proactive

    No. Why so extreme? That want fix the overall EU problem!

    As experienced, only the strongest NATIONAL leaders are trying their pot luck in finding solutions (& fail)- not any of the many costly “EU institutions”. Why not start with “direct democracy” on national level? Stick to simple trade and the economy & avoid being and wishing to become everything to everybody incl the Euro(c)rats.

    http://fortune.com/2016/08/21/european-leaders-talk-game-plan/

  15. avatar
    Bastian

    Direct democracy makes only sense on national level, because only here we have the ethnos able and motivated to practice the communication necessary for making reasonable decisions.

    Whereas the supranational EP is, despite all modern tools of e-gov, so detached from its electorate that basically nobody really pays attention to it, although decisions are made which affect millions of people.

    It is probably also the lack of a coherent ethnos behind, that the public sessions of the EP are extremely boring, with the exception when Nigel Farage was speaking – but, unfortunately, he will not be there anymore.

  16. avatar
    Costi Ciudin

    “The best argument against democracy is a five-minute conversation with the average voter.” – Winston Churchill

  17. avatar
    Dimitris Kasapakis

    The question is false to start with. Its as if those with power are somehow elected and the question is whether this should be done directly or indirectly. They are absolutely not elected, they are appointed. The only true question here should be “should everybody with power be directly appointed?”

  18. avatar
    someonesaid

    doesn’t make a real difference. As european peoples have discovered during the last two decades or so, it’s the bankers and big business that win in the end.

  19. avatar
    Dino Boy Mican

    Once voting was considered sacred. People were deprived of it and struggled for the right to it. But nowadays people don t even turn up for it. We re in real crisis. We don t trust politicians, or there s apathy, or both. We have come to understand that voting can t change things (or it would have been banned a long time ago). Representational democracy is also in serious crisis. In many countries votes are swapped for favours.

  20. avatar
    Jimi Sowa

    Election and “democracy” is biggest lie and bullshit of XX century. We should get back to the Kingdoms of nations. Karol Marx said “democracy is road to socialism. We hate” socialism”, “fascism” and “communism” so we hate “democracy”.

  21. avatar
    Luis Dgb

    Proposed Constitution for a future European Confederation: President of the Republic elected to a 7-year-term either directly or indirectly through a Federal Convention comprised by the European Parliament and delegations of the 27 National Parliaments, with the symbolic and moderating powers of a head of state like those of Presidents of parliamentary republics or monarchs in the constitutional monarchies. An European Parliament in a bicameral model, with the Euro-chamber elected each 5 years as today for representation of the European citizens, appointing the Federal Prime Minister from the parliamentary majority, and a federal Euro-Senate for territorial representation, to preserve the diversity of the 27 member-nations of the Confederation, formed by 27 delegations, one per nation, and which will renew its composition gradually and partially, after each general election in each member-nation, the new Parliament of the particular country will send new delegates to the federal Euro-Senate and replace the senators it sent 4 or 5 years earlier after its previous general election. Each European country within the Confederation will be allowed to keep its particular institutions and form of government, either Republic (France, Germany, Italy) or Constitutional Monarchy (Spain, Belgium, Sweden), changing it only if their peoples desire so, not obliged by the Federal Government. If a region from one of the 27 member states wants to secede from that country and become a new Confederation member state, it will need to have the unanimous consent of the Federal Government and all the 27 federated Governments and Parliaments, then need to be passed by two thirds majority of both houses of European Parliament, Euro-Chamber and Euro-Senate, and then ratified or rejected by a majority of all citizens from the European Confederation (that would preserve the integrity of each Confederation member-state).

  22. avatar
    Franck Néo Legon

    yes, elected people to relay people’s needs. administratives and executives should just obey them in the best productive way, instead overruling them.

  23. avatar
    Nikolaos Karatsoris

    Democracy was not always and only about elections. Why not randomly select officials as civil servants;. The place to start is the European Central Bank

  24. avatar
    João Oliveira

    Mais importante do que promover eleições para todos os cargos de poder, era limitar a concentração de poder em poucos indivíduos.

  25. avatar
    Kaiser Wilhelm

    no, representatives do what they want. decisions should be elected, not people. representative democracy is hypocrisy! “representative” excludes democracy, it is a tyranny of few.

  26. avatar
    Bob Parsons

    If they want to be respected get elected .. Simple there should be no other system .. Should there ???

  27. avatar
    Pedro Miguel Fernandes da Silva

    Off course everyone with power should be elected to do specifically that function. Unless we want power to be legitimated by divine right, but I think that did not went very well on the past…

  28. avatar
    James Kennedy

    The majority of commentators don’t really seem to understand how policies get made or how things can run efficiently do you? Everyone with power to be directly elected? Countries would be at a standstill overnight – nothing would ever get done

  29. avatar
    Michael Dawson

    yes…that is unless you are not in favor of democracy….

    This question is nothing more than a redherring.

    The real question should be “should those in the EU government with decision making powers be elected?” The answer is YES.

  30. avatar
    nando

    Yes, but there is more to the problem.
    Directly elected official that have the power to make decisions behind closed doors is a futile system.
    Enforceable accountability is more important than direct elections.

  31. avatar
    Nando Aidos

    Yes, but there is more to the problem. It is not that simple.
    Directly elected officials that have the power to make decisions behind closed doors is a futile system.
    Enforceable accountability is more important than direct elections.

  32. avatar
    Alberto Martins

    Eurogroup meetings should be televised or have minutes. The people have the right to know what is happening in those meetings. Accountability us needed.

  33. avatar
    Chaolla Park

    All I can say is Transparency, Transparency and Transparency.
    I’m fine with what happens -although I don’t really like the Eurogroup- All I want is more Transparency. After all if we could see what they are doing, lets say in the TTIP we would have much more to say and we could actually put pressure on them.

  34. avatar
    Oli Lau

    what about less power to the politicians and more power to the individuals?

    Democracy is more and more having the right to elect periodically your dictator.

  35. avatar
    Brian Flanagan

    And the eurosceptics are correct as far as the commission is concerned. The MEPs can only discuss and vote, When you have 15 of the 28 in debt to the ECB, they will vote in accordance with the commissions wishes .That means the Commission win every time and they cannot be voted out. Democracy E U style, N. Korea style.

  36. avatar
    Robert Watson

    britian voted for brexit.the head of state is unelected .the second chamber known as house of lords is unelected.and 78 per cent of house of commons are millionaires.it doesnt get any more undemocratic and they say the eu is undemocratic.

  37. avatar
    Stefania Portici

    il mio commento è stato tolto . Era corretto , non era offensivo era la verità di come stanno le cose . Inutile ripeterlo perhè mi viene ritolto ma non potete silenziarci per sempre

  38. avatar
    Bernard Van Dulmen Krumpelman

    I would indeed like to be able to elect the board of governors of e.g. my (health) insurance companies! With all the power politicians gave away to unelegible institutions for the sake of privatisations, I think this discussion shouldn’t necessarily focus on politicians ^_^

  39. avatar
    Maurizio Flores Felis

    Democracy and currency both need to progress. Currency should be soley a means not MEAN and democracy, true democracy should be direct one man or woman voting through their keyboards over the web with their name and surnames to keep it all transparent and controllable day in day out. Martin Luther said there was a direct relationship to the allmighty taking the monopoly away from catholic priests. We can do away with the political mercenaries for the very same reason. Then things will change remarkably.

  40. avatar
    mr-ede

    One massive democractic deficit is, that voters from small countries have higher weight in EU-elections.

    And you can’t solve that with more or less elections. Everybody knows that. For me it looks like you are fooling people here with such suggestions without any sense.

  41. avatar
    Duncan

    In a word no. And here’s why. We have communally and independently established a system of rules and regulations that determine how we are to live our lives as freely as we can without directly reducing the right of those around us to live their lives. The system is not perfect by any means, however it is sufficiently evolved now to the point where (with the help of modern technology, correctly applied) we could have direct control over any adjustments to the aforementioned system. Aka a referendum by telecommunications (instantly countable and far less expensive) at this stage the people with the power would be the people. Politics gets demoted to administrational in nature, merely there to facilitate the will of the people.

  42. avatar
    Paolo Viti

    I think that Europe has to wake up and kick out the self-elected leaders like Junkers! They are simply bureaucratic members of the party but the sad truth is that they will never stand down…

    • avatar
      Tom Barlow

      Juncker* isn’t self-elected. You, and I, were asked in 2014 to cast a vote for one of a number of parties to send an MEP to parliament. Each one of these parties had previously decided on a candidate for the commission presidency. Juncker was the candidate put forward by the EPP. They won the most seats in the European Election, therefore he got the job. Just like in other representational democracies.

    • avatar
      Paul X

      Nobody in the UK voted for Junker that’s for sure……..

    • avatar
      Bruno

      Exactly. Direct election of the president or it will die a slow death for sure.

  43. avatar
    John Wilson

    Which ones were not elected or put forward by elected heads of states? The MEPs can sack Junker and every commissioner on a vote of no confidence

    • avatar
      Duncan

      But can you? This is kind of the point, he is in no way directly accountable to his bosses aka everyone living in the EU.

    • avatar
      Bruno

      Yes but the result is uncharismatic bureaucrats that are hated by the people. Tusk or juncker would never be elected by the whole of europe. We need charisma or europe will die one country at a time.

  44. avatar
    catherine benning

    In any democracy an individual cannot have power unless they are elected as they must take the nation with them if they want an easy ride of it. Not only that, once in a position to rule over the population they should be closely monitored to make sure they are carrying out the plans and promises they made during their election platform.

    Better still, would be a system as effective as the Swiss, Direct Democracy, that way we will all be safe from any Hitlers in disguise.

    Additionally, there must be a ‘no confidence’ vote for any person elected and in power who reneges on his/her promises should they twist those promises with lies or had not told the truth about their aims or intentions for the people.

    Just as already, Theresa May, our present UK leader is oiling her way out of calling for and putting immediately in place Article 50 in order to bring about the process of us being out of and free of the EU regulations and leadership we don’t want. A vote of no confidence in her leadership is a must. I also think the German people must take a look at their present leader and ask if they realised when they voted her in that she intended to import mass cultural opposition to their way of life as well as crime of the kind they have no witnessed in years. A call of ‘no confidence’ has to be a requirement against cheats and spivs. Furthermore, the rest of Europe who are being swamped by the German and French requirements on many matters they had no knowledge of prior to joining, should consider having a national vote on whether their people are happy with the deal they presently have as EU members. That is democracy.

    The Swiss are the only European nation that can honestly call themselves a democratic nation.

    http://direct-democracy.geschichte-schweiz.ch/

    • avatar
      Duncan

      @Catherine, I like the concept, but I think the practical application would be horrific (much like the death sentence for murder. In theory it acts as deterrent and removes repeat offending, but in practice leads to wrongly convicted people being killed, no chance of a reprieve afterwards, but I digress). It is impossible to make everyone happy, hence majority being integral to all democratic systems. By that fact alone the amount of no confidence applications against any and all people who stood in these positions would be a huge number, even if it was not a valid call for no confidence it would still need to be assessed to decide if it was valid or not, otherwise it would merely be as ignorable as any other form of system of complaint against the establishment.

    • avatar
      Bruno

      You just need to elect the president of europe and give him 4 years with a european government with clear responsibilities.

  45. avatar
    Dominic Duffin

    No is the short answer.

    There is a place for certain officials being democratically elected, however there are also many problems with democratically elected officials:

    1) They normally serve terms of four or five years, or less, and have to think about re-election. This means that they will want to follow policies that provide tangible benefits within that timescale. They will be less interested in policies that deliver only over longer periods of ten, twenty or thirty years. They also have an incentive to follow policies that provide short-term benefits, while storing up problems in the long-term, when their opponents may well be in power.

    2) Elected officials normally represent political parties. This means that they tend to take partisan positions on issues, and find it difficult to be completely impartial. They also can only truly represent a portion of the electorate.

    3) Elections cost money. Campaigns cost money. Campaigns can either be financed using taxpayers money, which could otherwise be spent on public services, or be financed through donations, which enables wealthy donors and large companies to buy influence behind the scenes.

    All political systems need a balance between elected and unelected roles. My opinion is that most Western political systems have gone too far in the direction of elected officials. In the UK we have a reasonable balance between the elected Commons and the unelected Lords, although the Lords has less powers than the Commons.

    Judges, in particular, are better appointed, preferably by an independent non-political body as far as possible, since they have to be completely impartial.

    In my opinion, there needs to be some role in the EU for hereditary monarchies, and that role should be greater than that of the constitutional monarchs in certain member states. Hereditary monarchs have a number of advantages:

    1) They are in power for the long-term. This means that they can plan ahead, and think long-term without having to worry about winning or losing an election.

    2) They have a connection with the past and the future, since their family provided the leaders of the past and will provide the leaders of the future. This provides continuity over time, and also provides an incentive for the monarch to avoid policies that bring short-term gain but long-term pain.

    3) They are not party political, and can therefore act impartially and represent the country as a whole.

    The system that I would favour is one in which a hereditary monarchy and a democracy, whether representative or direct, act to keep each other in check, ensuring that the disadvantages of both can be mitigated.

    • avatar
      catherine benning

      @ Dominic Duffin:

      So you want unelected power given to possible traitors without the public being able to cut them off at the knees before they cause too much damage. Five years or four without re-election is too long anyway. The scenario you are fronting will surely lead to civil war. As it has in the past and creates coups in the present.

      The only rule in a democracy is consent of the people by the ballot box. Tyranny is unacceptable in a so called ‘globalised’ world.

      Or, are you one of them who doesn’t want to face accountability for your actions?

    • avatar
      Bruno

      Complete rubbish. Power has to come from democratic support. All the rest is hopeless.

  46. avatar
    Bruno

    Yes. Without direct election it is doomed. The current muppets like tusk, juncker would never be in that position if they had to be elected. the technology is there to give all europe access to a list of thousands of candidates and one citizen should get one vote.
    It would push candidates to visit the other countries to defend their ideas. May the best one be elected.

  47. avatar
    Ivan Burrows

    .

    If they rule without being elected by the people they are by definition a dictator, i.e. Generalissimo Juncker.

    • avatar
      Daniel Suranyi

      First: Juncker was indirectly elected through the last European elections. Second: the Commission at EU level is comparable to the ministries at national level. When did you last vote for ministers?

    • avatar
      Håkan Bergström

      The a EU is a confederation, fundamentally, not a federation. You should know that by now. Advocate for the introduction of the United States of Europe and you will have your direct elections. I think the EU should stay a confederation.

  48. avatar
    Bart Van Damme

    All people in power are put there by someone. So the question is: how many people should be part of the decision to put that person there? And, by extension, how many agendas should be taken into account? If you want democracy, then ALL agendas, and therefore ALL people should have an equal say.

    • avatar
      Ciarán Ó Braonáin

      Doesn’t always work like that though, as the American election highlighted.

    • avatar
      Daniel Suranyi

      The US president is not elected by the people. He is elected by the state representatives. The people – by state – give a recommendation. Hillary got overall more votes. In theory the representatives could even still vote for her, they are not bound by the voters… That is indeed not a good example for democracy…

  49. avatar
    Artur Silva

    People who demand EU echelon to be directly elected, then have their prime minister not directly elected, and a chamber of their parliament where members inherit their positions ( House of Lords ) must have the IQ of an earthworm. Sorry earthworms I did not mean to offend.

    • avatar
      Ivan Burrows

      Prime Minister

      1. Prime Minister May ‘was’ elected by the good people of Maidenhead, where did Emperor Juncker stand for election ?

      2. The House of Lords does not make our law, your unelected European politburo makes yours.

      Please look up the definition of ‘democracy’ & do a bit of basic research before making idiotic statements.

      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tN9EC3Gy6Nk

    • avatar
      Artur Silva

      Hello Ivan Burrows I figured you would reply to me. How’s the ukip leadership debacle going ? You know I won’t even bother reading what you post yes? Probably like you to what I post at any rate… Have a nice day

    • avatar
      Artur Silva

      As we all know from the American election for president, Truth or lack thereof is a relative concept. What really matters in the end is if you are in a fist fight or threaten somebody once what you defend is lost or won in an election . Have some manners Ivan Burrows I just wished you a nice day, the least you can do is do the same ( unless you are just being paid to post of course – but wait you could still have manners ….🤔 or does that not compute )

    • avatar
      Artur Silva

      Me a news supplier? Insult and lie? 😂😂😂😂😂😂. Manners Ivan Burrows or I will block you , you paid sycophant. In fact I will because I know the general theme of what you will say anyway. .. Good Sunday to you at any rate.

    • avatar
      João Machado

      I don’t see Ivan saying nothing wrong or insulting for that matter. Actually he’s making a lot of sense. Not only Austria is probably next in line for an exit, the Netherlands will join, and others will soon follow. No one believe in Brexit until it happen. Trump was even more discredited. And there you go. Soon major European countries will have general elections. It’s the beginning of the end for the EU. I don’t support anti democratic institutions, so I can only be happy if the EU is dismantled. If you’re Portuguese, you should know better. Or country was economically and industrially ruined. And all for some petty change and a few enriched politicians. Go figure…

    • avatar
      Artur Silva

      João Machado, what industry are you referring to. That is the nostalgic dream of someone who does not know that those industries that went bankrupt and collapsed could not make it even if we were not in the EU. Ivan is the typical ukip paid commenter who defends his party’s ideal.

    • avatar
      Ivan Burrows

      )

      So the people who created the migrant crisis, the Euro crisis, the unemployment crisis, the banking crisis, the agricultural crisis and the EU’s democratic deficit crisis should rule without the possibility of being removed ?

      Who are the idiots again ?

    • avatar
      Costi Ciudin

      the possibility of removing somebody doesn’t always imply direct election

    • avatar
      Ivan Burrows

      Costi Ciudin

      Armed uprising ?

    • avatar
      Tony Muñiz

      A control committee? It’s called the EU parliament. They don’t remove anyone. The EU was designed to appear democratic, but it is not. We need a system as USA, where EU party presents itself to run with a presidential candidate and a political program. And that party go up for votes in all EU. It is worthless now. I voted EPP in my country. Whose political program stated controlled migration and a bunch of other pretty words. EPP won mayority. Yet we see nothing of what I voted for. I see a commission where there are anything from commies, to greens to lefties to corrupt and shady commissioners. Why? EPP is center/center right conservative. Why is the commission made up of commies and islam loving people like Morgherini, who is a pathological liar, and open borders loving people. When mayority voted for opposite?

    • avatar
      Jean-Pierre Rosa

      Tony Muñiz i think your stupidity speaks for itself. Why do you people insist on being a laughing stock? Islam loving wah wah wah cry some more.

    • avatar
      Ivan Burrows

      Costi Ciudin

      Called a ‘politburo’ ? you already have one its called the European Commission.

  50. avatar
    Vinko Rajic

    ONE OF THE GREATEST DAYS IN THE HUMAN HISTORY FOR OUR FIGHT AGAINST GOLDEN HORDE!
    Tesla is the greatest company in the human history but Nikola is maybe even greater . I think Nikola is going to have difficult to build 50 000 trucks/Year and run it on solar power . OK maybe not in America , I hope they are going to get money for such a big project . I believe China could simple do it . US government could help it and they could simple do it if they had Hillary Clinton but with Trump . Chinese government could do it and help all of us. EU government is never going to help this because they want to import Arab oil and gas . https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eFrzQfiesms

  51. avatar
    Bobi Dochev

    Well you quote it wrong “unelected idiots” is the right one.
    And yes, we should vote for pretty much any of the positions.

  52. avatar
    Tony Muñiz

    Yes, and be up for election in entire EU. The way the EU commission is elected is a farse.

    • avatar
      Jean-Pierre Rosa

      Its a parliamentary system. You just have a problem with democracy.

    • avatar
      Tony Muñiz

      No, no problem with democracy. You are just a brainwashed EU troll. EU is anything but democratic.

    • avatar
      Jean-Pierre Rosa

      Tony Muñiz says the idiot nationalist troll with the fake profile.

    • avatar
      Tony Muñiz

      Fake profile? LOL You are such a troll.

  53. avatar
    Maurício Chipelo

    Yes, if the EU is composed of democratic countries, then the rulers of the EU should be also elected by the people.

  54. avatar
    Yannick Cornet

    No: it is decision-making that needs to be scrutinised and democratised. More issues should be put up to direct voting. What’s stoping us? It could be all done online, doing away with concentrating power in the hands of few people in the first place.

  55. avatar
    Mihai Petru Ceuca

    Let’s forbid tax heavens, tax-evoiding schemes (all are now legal), and then let’s see how much money will remain to lobbyists to pay up our politicians. First things first.

  56. avatar
    Jerome Fitz

    Yesss of course !!! We should vote for them. ✋ corruption, string pulling, lobbying…

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    Ainhoa Lizar

    “Everybody with power”??? The only power we need is the power of the European people. We don´t need powerful puppets! Politicians have no power they should be there to express the will of the people not to rule above and against the people. They don´t own the people and the countries, but lately it looks like they forgot that.

    • avatar
      Adam Bxcz

      Correct we don’t need british house of lords or their royal family

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