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What would life look like outside the European Union? It’s a question that the new UK government is going to have to grapple with, and it’s also a question that people all over the continent are starting to ponder. With public disgruntlement with the EU growing, alternatives to EU membership are coming under increasing scrutiny.

How important is it to keep access to the EU Single Market? Would it be possible to revert to World Trade Organization (WTO) rules, without negotiating any special access? Or would it be better to follow the example of countries like Norway and Switzerland, which have both gained access to the Single Market (albeit via different approaches)?

How would trade relations be governed? What about free movement of people? During Britain’s referendum campaign, the actual tangible details of life outside the EU were a bit thin on the ground. So, realistically, what are the options?

Curious to know more about alternatives to EU membership? We’ve put together some facts and figures in the infographic below (click for a bigger version).

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We had a comment sent in by Paul, who argues that Britain should aim to trade with the EU under World Trade Organization (WTO) rules, without negotiating special access to the Single Market. Would there be benefits to such an arrangement?

To get a response, we spoke to Professor Thomas Cottier, former Managing Director of the World Trade Institute and the Institute of European and International Economic Law, and currently Emeritus Professor of European and International Economic Law at the University of Bern, Switzerland. What would he say to Paul?

cottierWell, World Trade Organization rules provide the basis for all trade relations, including those of the European Union with third parties. The Single Market rules, however, go beyond WTO rules; the most important area being that within the Single Market there are zero tariffs. By contrast, within the WTO tariffs still exist at an average of 4%.

Furthermore, there are much more advanced rules within the Single Market in terms of reducing technical barriers to trade, such as mutual recognition of standards, and the Principe du cassis de Dijon – which does not exist within the WTO. And then, of course, for Britain in particular it’s very important to have access to the market for services within the EU, which is much more developed than the freedom of services within the WTO. You would also lose, for example, in terms of government procurement: access to cities, communes, and utilities, which is not part of the WTO agreement. So, there is a ground floor with WTO rules, but it doesn’t go as far as the Single Market.

We had a comment sent in from Mandy and PJ, who argued that it would be “ideal” for Britain to aim for a similar relationship to Switzerland, with a series of bilateral agreements with the EU. Would that work? Could Britain be a “Greater Switzerland” outside the EU? How would Professor Cottier respond?

cottierWell, Switzerland started off with the 1972 free trade agreement of EFTA countries, which is the legacy of Britain joining the EU, and which has gradually evolved to a body of some 130 agreements. Now, first of all, it takes a very long time to make this special arrangement, and it would not be possible, I think, to negotiate the same amount of agreements in a reasonable period of time to serve the case of the UK.

Moreover, Switzerland has been, increasingly as time has gone by, a ‘rule taker’ instead of a ‘rule maker’. The EU has insisted on Switzerland basically adopting EU rules, and has moved away from the original model of equivalence which defined the free trade agreements of 1972. So, you get some 90% of market access into the EU, which serves the country well – as we are, after Luxembourg, the second most closely economically related with the EU – but you don’t have a say in drafting the rules, and you are essentially a rule taker.

Finally, we had a comment from Perky, who thinks that the most likely option for Britain is to join the European Free Trade Association (EFTA), and retain access to the EU Single Market through the European Economic Area (EEA) agreement – otherwise known as the so-called ‘Norway option’. How would Professor Cottier respond?

cottierI certainly think it has more potential for the UK than the Swiss solution, because the EEA agreement is a full-fledged agreement which basically covers the four freedoms, except agriculture, and, of course, it doesn’t entail the common commercial policy. But it’s basically an advanced free trade agreement that EEA countries benefit from.

However, it also comes with free movement of persons, and you cannot expect any concessions here if you want to get Single Market access. That is, by the way, also true in the case of Switzerland. Switzerland has been struggling with free movement of persons and has not been able to extract any concessions from the EU, despite the fact we have provisions in our constitution which were introduced via populist vote. So, we basically have the same problems as the UK here, and the EEA solution would probably not help with this. But the great advantage is that it’s a package which already exists; there are institutions ready, including the EFTA court and EFTA surveillance authority, to which Britain could actually join within a reasonable period of time.

What is the best alternative to EU membership? Would you choose the Norway, Swiss, or WTO option? Let us know your thoughts and comments in the form below, and we’ll take them to policymakers and experts for their reactions!

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What do YOU think?

    • avatar
      Adrian

      Be more explicit please.

  1. avatar
    Zbigniew Jankowski

    There is no alternative to EU other than EU. However the EU model has to alter it’s fundaments and I don’t have democracy in mind, but the organisational and management structure. Today the populists are on the rise mainly due to the fact that EU stopped developing it’s own idea, stopped adapting it to the new era ahead. EU bureaucrats, calling themselves politicians, become as shortsighted and blind as the populists. Many have the same political origins and between some of them there is almost no difference. Therefore, the populist’s ‘0’ added value ideas are easily spreading around Europe, cheating it’s citizens with illusions. This has to end. However without new fundaments, there is almost no way out how to end this and the protests, tensions and exit votes, directed particularilly against the current EU establishments, will continue to spread around EU. Of course the populist parties and organisation like the current chaos and are also responsible for creating and intensifying it. They like it, due to the fact that populists in principle don’t care about the future. They only care about HERE and KNOW politics which allows them to gain/have power. Chaos, exit votes, etc allows that even better, because the daily problems foreclose the possibility for future talks and plans other those which are good for the blind and shortsighted populists. If this continues then it could also lead to the end of the democracy as we have had it for the last 50 years.

    • avatar
      Stanislaw Gadomski

      Right. Eurasian Union definitely not. Mr. Zeman should remember year 1968. We all should…

    • avatar
      Joao

      The so called “populist” are nothing than a bunch of people that are unhappy with the way the EU has silently and non-democratically developed into an unwanted political union and decided to let the European people know about it. Most people are blind to the political world, that’s the main reason we let this psychopaths in power to lead us into this shameful state of affairs… The “populists” (or should we call them what they really are, euro-skeptic parties) are presenting alternatives, nothing else. If presenting an alternative to the existence of the EU itself is something bad, then we really need a lesson in democracy. I enjoy some of the EU perks, but I fully understand how badly designed and how dangerous this political project has become. I don’t want it, I want my country national sovereignty restored, I want to be able to vote on the people that legislate my life. Democracy and the EU don’t go together at all, so if I have to chose, I chose democracy values above any neocon wet dream of a political union of power.

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      Evarist Mugisa

      Sadly, it seems the EU success has been its enemy. That explains why countries in Eastern Europe have been eager to join it and refugees from many parts of the world all flocking to Europe. However, there is no doubt the EU model has outlived its usefulness in the circumstances. Many countries are not willing to concentrate all decision-making in Brussels, which is giving fodder to the rise of nationalistic tendencies. There is need to re-examine the model. Secondly, the EU has expanded too much and too fast without bringing in reforms to match this expansion. The reforms should touch on the ‘bureaucracy” in Brussels and seek to introduce efficiency in the way the EU operates. Short of this, you cannot rule out another member country following the UK in exiting the bloc!

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      David Mather

      There is NO alternative to the EU! Do you realise that 85% of independent sovereign states in the world are NOT in the EU?

    • avatar
      Gyorgy

      True. Unity fulfilled.

  2. avatar
    Davide Zoran Parenti

    If you freely choose to stay outside Europe, you have to stay outside Europe all the way. No cooperation at all, in no fields neither the economy, apart of the standard relation that EU already has with third countries as from the other continents

    • avatar
      Tarquin Farquhar

      @Davide Zoran Parenti
      What an emotional and illogical posting.

      The EU co-operates with countries that are not in the EU, thus your posting is illogical!

    • avatar
      Gyorgy

      It cooperates on a strictly business basis. So don’t cry for the financial services of London, Europe can do them too for itself.

    • avatar
      Tarquin Farquhar

      @Gyorgy
      Agreed
      .
      As for the “City” it will keep trading euros whether in and out of the EU.

      It has already been established that it is illegal for the EU to prevent such a practice.

      :)

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      BREXIT

      @Davide. Totally agree!! Brexit means brexit, so what happened to article 50? As a European I want EU referendum for the UK to leave and I don’t care whether I loose some money in the process. The UK was first in terms of being illogical and emotional

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      Duncan

      @BREXIT,
      What exactly are you talking about? Illogical and emotional. . . . The illogical and emotional thing to have done would be to give in to all the scare mongering that was used to try to convince us we were better off in a situation where we pay vast sums of money into the EU, so the EU can give that money to other countries, while simultaneously sending workers from other EU countries to fill up our job markets forcing wages down and encouraging a fairly one sided series of import/export situations with regards to the EU and being obligated to accept rules made up for us by the EU on how we live our lives and having no real democratic representation to put forward our views and opinions on these rules. The emotion being fear of change, the illogic being everything else I just mentioned. I’m not pretending that Brexit is the first and last stop in fixing everything wrong with the UK, but it was a vital thing for the process. As for your suggestion of a referendum by the other EU members to force us out, that would be in direct breach of the treaties surrounding the EU. So just chill out, article 50 will be activated by the end of march, and that means the 2 year process will end before the next lot of EU payment reviews. So timing wise I’d say that makes it ideal.

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      Duncan

      As for “the best alternative to EU membership” that’s a bit of a leading question in my book, suggests EU membership is the best option and anything else is settling for what you can get. I’d say the best option is very simple, free trade the world over, international laws protecting right to self rule, basic human rights such as life and liberty and the pursuit of nuclear disarmament, prohibition of weapons of mass destruction in general and so on and so forth. Immigration should be controlled correctly. The only people who should be able to move to this country permanently are those wishing to integrate into this society (by which I mean mix and mingle with those already here, I don’t mean obligatory conversion to the church of England. But if they only want to live here for the medical care or other perks that’s not good enough, fight to get those things where you live if that’s all you care about.), the only people who should gain work visas are people who have a job waiting for them in which they were found to be the best candidate. And it should not matter what country they were born in, they shouldn’t get any special treatment or disadvantages based on what part of the world they were born into. That’s the dream for international relations, coupled with voluntarily aiding in crisis and disaster relief, channelled through a UN that actually functions correctly. If China invades Taiwan, China shouldn’t be able to veto the UN vote to take action. Same for everyone, drop the veto and impose a 10% equipped troop contribution to UN peacekeeping forces. That should guarantee the UN is the deterrent to hostile military action it ought to be.

  3. avatar
    Chris Alexander Zervas

    ~ WHAT HAPPENED BEFORE EUROPEAN UNION? ~ TWO W.W.. ~ NOW, WE ARE FACING THE MOST BLOODY -ECONOMIC- ONE, IN HELLAS… WE ARE FACING DEATH EVERY DAY AROUND US…

    • avatar
      Caroline

      So… what’s your solution? From the outside it’s obvious that Greece’s euro membership should be suspended. In fact, all countries which cannot/will not bring their economies within the currency’s rules should be suspended. This should have happened at the latest in 2012, when it could have been done in an orderly fashion. Now it can’t be done as a matter of policy because of Target2 imbalances and costs to surplus as well as debtor nations. So the problem remains without an EU wide solution.

      But that doesn’t mean that Greeks shouldn’t get real and leave the euro now. New drachma at half the euro’s value might get the economy moving again – of course there’d be no Porsche Cayennes for a generation, but you already know that. To save fact you might just get the 27 to agree for Greece to stay in the EU with its EURO membership suspended rather than cancelled.

      Greece will have to solve it own problem – it’s not the fault of the EU – the Greek economists and politicians should never have cheated to join the euro in the first place. And bailout after bailout solves nothing. You have had all that already. So don’t whinge.

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    Anti-EU Citizen

    The alternative to being a EU member is not to be a.EU member.Majority of the people in Europe do not want to political union the EU has become and do not want United States of Europe and there is no way the europhiliac class can force us to comply with it.

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      Duncan

      Agreed. I don’t think anyone in the UK would have voted against a cooperative trade organisation with it’s European neighbours. Just as likely to vote to leave NATO as we are to vote against trade! But when the trade union turns itself into a superstate in the making without asking for the consensus of it’s member citizens (since frankly, asking member state leaders still wouldn’t be sufficient vindication to do so) then how are we, or anyone expected to support that? Since it’s been 40 years since we last had a voice on the EU, and all the changes that have happened to it during this time. What would I have looked like come the next referendum? Would we still been considered a member state that can vote to leave by then, or merely an area of the European state? If we have to accept any loss of trade access to Europe to protect our nationality it’s a price worth paying. As for what type of exit deal should we opt for, I think it shouldn’t be the Swiss, Norwegian or Canadian model. Surely it should be the British model? Is not every countries needs unique after all? If the EU is unwilling to reach a deal that suits British-EU trade requirements without imposing unwanted and unrelated legislation on us the w.t.o. tariffs will be an acceptable price to pay for freedom in my book. I really hope that the EU re-evaluates itself before it collapses entirely. If it had gone back to grass routes we might not have needed to vote out.

    • avatar
      BREXIT

      you can’t talk for all Europeans ok

    • avatar
      Bert van Santen

      Completely agree

    • avatar
      Duncan

      @BREXIT, neither can junckers, that’s kind of my point.

    • avatar
      Tarquin Farquhar

      @Francesco Haag Bellini
      Good luck with your German language lessons!

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      Peter

      Since decades, we are all forced to learn English language from primary school or even earlier on. So it sadly wouldn’t make sense to change from that as common language next to our native ones. Additionally, 2 or 3 further European languages of free choice should be obligatory at school to promote understanding for cultural diversity.

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      Tarquin Farquhar

      @Peter
      Your last paragraph appears contradictory.

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      Peter

      @Tarquin
      But it is not :)
      Meaning we have English as common European language as Francesco suggested, but (except Ireland and maybe Scotland) not as mother tongue in our future EU.

    • avatar
      Tarquin Farquhar

      @Peter
      It appears to be contradictory.
      My point stands.

      FTR, please add Malta to your list.

    • avatar
      Adrian

      Actually Peter is on to something here.
      Most EU countries have English as a 2nd native basically.

      So make it an official EU language. It’s simple and convenient.

    • avatar
      BREXIT

      Yes, Peter, they should teach other languages at schoold

    • avatar
      Gyorgy

      Sure, let’s send back the million migrants to Greece and deal with them on your own

    • avatar
      Adrian

      You are a minority in greek society. Don’t presume to speak for all.

      Most grerks do not want to leave the RU or the eurozone for that matter.

  5. avatar
    Peter

    UK reunites with Ireland by joining the peaceful and democratic Celtic Republic.

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      Trevor Hazelgrove

      I like that one, should we include Scotland

    • avatar
      Tarquin Farquhar

      @Peter
      Not bad – I prefer Celtic Federation or better still Commonwealth Federation.

    • avatar
      Peter

      Reads well, doesn’t it? So the British could get rid of their German royals, finally introduce the Euro and everything is fine again. Ask Eastern Germans, they now how these unifications (don’t) work. :)

    • avatar
      Tarquin Farquhar

      @Peter
      Read my posts more carefilly be responding – I did not propose a republic; most republics are either wacky, corrupt or both.

    • avatar
      Tarquin Farquhar

      @Peter
      All Latin countries according to Transparency International are more corrupt than the UK.

      You seem fixated on republics old boy – try looking at culture too and stop being so one dimensional.

    • avatar
      Peter

      @Tarquin
      Sorry, personally I cannot take a person serious that tells me “I am king/queen/knight/whatever not ordinary human”. I am very glad that the German revolutionaries ousted those undemocratic arrogant freeloaders almost 100 years ago. But we live in a free world. Everybody is free to support monarchy. Do what you want.

      Concerning that TI index: a share the methodological critics of that point ranking (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Corruption_Perceptions_Index#Criticism) representing perceived public corruption, but it can give a first impression, sure. Your claimed correlation between head of state and public corruption, though, may be a bit far stretched …

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      Tarquin Farquhar

      @Peter
      The TI index is not perfect, indeed as far as I am concerned it understates the corruption in several EU countries especially Germany and Sweden. Its not perfect but its indicative.

      Wend your fervid, febrile way through the history books to see which is the stablest nation for the last millennium (hint UK) and you may come to understand why the undemocratic and unaccountable EU is so scorned and vilified in the UK and indeed in large parts of the EU,

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      Peter

      @Tarquin
      Did you bribe any German or Swedish officials or what does your post mean? Personally, I have never heard of a person bribing a German official, but that doesn’t mean anything. I am sure, there are several cases. What makes you think that it’s worse here or in Sweden than in the UK?

      Did you know that the UK is actually 700 years younger than you claim and had several serious internal crises since (e.g. Irish independance, decolonialization wars, the Troubles, Scottish indepenance movement)? Start to pore over some history book yourself, or start e.g. here: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_the_United_Kingdom. Brexit might disunite your Kingdom further. Good luck with your uncorrupt politicians, highly accountable officials and democratic lifetime Lords, not to speak of the unbiased and undistorted voter representation by majority Commons vote. ;)

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      Tarquin Farquhar

      @Peter
      Touche!

      England is by far the most stable country in the world and not the UK – but the UK is still far stabler than nearly all EU countries.

      BTW, please check your spellings for “independAnce”.

      As regards German corruption check out Cologne on NYE and the suppression of the truth by the German elite – who would believe that Germany would seek to stifle free speech; oh, err, erm actually that kinda rings a bell.

      Also, a renowned German TV figure said that the German government used to tell the media to suppress stories on immigration – who would believe that Germany would seek to stifle free speech; oh, err, erm actually that kinda rings a bell.

      German firms canvassed the EU to lower vacuum cleaner wattage based on flawed old tech [German] hoovers that clog up over time unlike Dyson hoovers. Who would believe that the EU could be ‘bought’ by German business.

      A German publisher recently refused to print a non-complimentary book on Islam – who would believe that Germany would seek to stifle free speech; oh, err, erm actually that kinda rings a bell.

      Try not to base your opinion on German media dear Lord Peter – it has a terrible legacy and a horrible currency.

      Please, try to focus on the forum question; to whit, my answer is WTO tariffs are a better alternative to the UK’s current EU membership arrangement.

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      Duncan

      @Peter the fact is we have a Royal family still in Britain, and what’s more is most of us wouldn’t have it any other way. This is perhaps highlighting a cultural difference. Maybe it has more to do with the fact our Monarch is defender of the realm, defender of the faith, and an excellent public figure. Maybe it’s more historically situated than that, since it was former Monarch that oversaw the making of our judicial system, our constitution and many other rights, freedoms liberties and luxuries we now take for granted. As with all leaders of state we’ve had bad ones as well as good. But most have ruled with the country in mind.

  6. avatar
    Maksimilijan Nedoh

    To dismiss Europe and exit NATO and to start healing states one by one by ourselves … Because their way of help its killing us …

    • avatar
      Tarquin Farquhar

      @Maksimilijan Nedoh
      You cannot afford to leave NATO – the US and UK account for c80% of all NATO military spend.

      The Russians could invade and gain ground in Europe bery easily without the USA and UK – the UK would be safe and sound; its an ISLAND remember!

    • avatar
      BREXIT

      Trump is your man for that! SOon that will happen too

  7. avatar
    Monique Taxhet

    Only economically viable solution for a country whose whole economy has developed from within the EU for over 40 years is membership of the single market EEA/EFTA.
    Far to complicated and lengthy to renegotiate all agreements, simple or bilateral outside the single market, probability Financial Service losing their EU passport would be highly damaging for a country like the UK.
    As for a United States of Europe, personally, I think it is far too early to think about this, but a good way to proceed, would be to do what is actually planned for such a case:
    A referendum in every member state, inside or outside the Eurozone, if the result is, say a minimum of 75% of favourable votes, than see which countries are favourable (if outside the Eurozone, see if joining the Eurozone possible). Then, say if a minimum of 6 countries are favourable, create the United States of Europe, on a model similar to the US, but leaving the door open for other member states to join if wanted, with a set time limit, say ten years or so,. All countries outside the United States of Europe would still have access to a single market with negotiated conditions.
    Well, just a idea….that’s all. :-)

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    • avatar
      Adrian

      Referendums are a VERY bad idea right now.

    • avatar
      Adrian

      Says the country who horges of EU funding.

      Delusion at its finest…

    • avatar
      Adrian

      Give it a rest already. The dutch parliament has laughed out Wilders’ idiotic request.

    • avatar
      Tarquin Farquhar

      @Ελενη Χρυσομαλακου
      In your dreams!

    • avatar
      Paul X

      How about a UK model, who says we have to accept an existing arrangement?

  8. avatar
    Bernard Cassaignau

    Je lis beaucoup d’affirmations non documentées dans cette discussion: notamment une ce seraient les fonctionnaires de l’EU qui prennent les décisions politiques.

    • avatar
      Tarquin Farquhar

      @Bernard Cassaignau
      Examples please?

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      Peter

      C’est vrai, Bernard. Pratiquement, il n’y a pas des eurocrates! Rien se passe dans l’UE sans decisions des politiciens nationales par le participation du Conseil de l’Union europeenne … Mais quelques personnes preferent croire mieux a la presse Murdoch que rechercher eux-memes!

    • avatar
      Tarquin Farquhar

      @Peter
      Typical Bremainiac blame game.

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      Peter

      @Tarquin
      That doesn’t make it wrong.

    • avatar
      Tarquin Farquhar

      @Peter
      Of course not, what a juvenile response!

      But it is wrong though!

      :)

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      Peter

      @Tarquin
      You like Louis de Funes films? Non-si-ohh!
      So … an even more juvenile reply of yours. Claims don’t bring us further here. My point is that the EU structure helps keeping European elites together more efficient and sustainable than any ad-hoc intergovernmental cooperation would. The later would have the tendancy to ignore common problems due to aversions among the elites for whatever reason.

    • avatar
      Tarquin Farquhar

      @Lord Peter
      Obviously, you don’t appear to like the concept of democracy – indeed, you still cling to the current EU structures that are quite clearly ‘broken’.

      Very disturbing!

    • avatar
      Peter

      @Tarquin Farquhar
      I am for more rights of the Parliamentarians on the expense of intergovernmental structures and a strengthening of the European Citizens Initiative as you can read in my various posts here. How is that a position against democracy?

    • avatar
      Tarquin Farquhar

      @Lord Peter
      Fanatical Bremaniac bilge!

      You’ve already effectively intimated that you think the EP is as democratic as the UK parliament and yet the EP cannot propose or repeal laws?

      Doh!

    • avatar
      Peter

      @Tarquin Farquhar
      Who is the fanatic here? I never said that the EP is as democratic as the UK parliament. Please read my posts. I only said that the UK democracy is also not perfect, as probably every democracy in the world, in terms of representing the people’s will because they are e.g. all strongly influenced and distorted by all kinds of lobby groups or by ‘majority vote’, … In the extent of lobbying, I don’t see a difference between Brussels and Westminster. With respect to Parliamentarian rights, the difference is obvious!

    • avatar
      Tarquin Farquhar

      @Peter
      You confirm that the EP is less democratic than Westminster and yet you cannot understand why the EP is seen as undemocratic?

      That’s why getting out of the EU via WTO tariffs is the best alternative to being in the very corrupt EU.

  9. avatar
    EU reform- proactive

    “Policymakers” are bad listeners- they never listened so far & will not in future!

    It’s high time for “Team EU” (EC/JCJ/EP) to present alternative plans (B,C,D…) – to us for perusal. Let’s test the army of politicians if they are able to read the minds of the majority of voters.

    Hint: if in doubt, 27 more referendums would be a good start. In the meantime please start thinking about alternatives- while still having a cushy & respected job!

    PS: And: no excuse please, arguing that vox populi is unqualified to make such “advanced choices”. Why keep asking us in average 3 times per week- what should be done- which is ignored anyways? A game of democratic illusions?

  10. avatar
    AL

    The UK invents the first time machine and reverses time to live in the industrial revolution again .. So it can exploit its workers in Victorian style work conditions again , blame the Europeans for everything and live in the past .. Well done Brexiters . Perhaps you bring back Winston Churchill from the dead to lead you … Im sure you will get inspired by his speeches as you sit in fear on your precious behind your custums and excise and electric fences to keep the nast foreigners out . Getting paranoid that the Spanish armada Napolean and Káiser Wilhelm are all on their way across the sea to steal your freedom to work ungodly hours and be abused by a Tory government .. I hope you enjoy making Britain great again . Congratulations !

    • avatar
      Trevor Jones

      Seems as if a load of little englanders might agree with that….they’d be getting back their old country, after all :)

    • avatar
      Tarquin Farquhar

      @AL
      I don’t blame the Europeans – only the corrupt EU elite!

    • avatar
      Tarquin Farquhar

      FYI – The “Spanish Armada” was also part-French!

    • avatar
      Paul X

      Why do people keep banging on about workers rights as if the EU invented them?

      The UK population is perfectly capable of electing a socialist government if we decide there is a problem with workers rights, but like it or not we have a right wing government, so see the democratic deficit?

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      Duncan

      What are you babbling on about man? Winston Churchill didn’t keep Europeans out of UK, we gave them somewhere to stay when Hitler (a European leader) took over their countries against their will, and eventually helped to get those countries back for them. Napoleon? More or less the same thing happened there. The Spanish Armada, well that was Britain willing to fight for it’s right to self rule. As it happens that fleet never made landing, but besides the point really. If you want to comment about history then please read about it first so you don’t come across so misinformed.

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    Michail Tsikalakis

    Do we want an E.U. anymore or any alternative to that, i would ask myself. “ I have the feeling all these years that it is Germany and a few other financially strong countries that take the final decisions on behalf of all the other member states ,directly or indirectly. I think that there is an issue of majority and we should work on this issue as we may find a solution that will lead us to a better and more united E.U. “ You can’t have 5 wolves and a sheep voting on what to have for dinner ……

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      Gyorgy

      You are nationalistic. Every EU country can vote and in some important issues it has veto right. It makes more sense for the weak countries to be in the EU because thus they will have some powers over things.

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    Michail Tsikalakis

    Alternative to E.U. is the politically restructed E.U. We have the know how… let’s do it !!!

    • avatar
      Tarquin Farquhar

      @Michail Tsikalakis
      Good luck with that! Very hard to achieve given the large number of corrupt EU countries allowed to be involved in decision making.

  13. avatar
    Erik Kurbos

    Anything that doesn’t force immigration from other continents into EU countries

  14. avatar
    John Theerapat

    They’ve sold off all the factories, closed all mines and productive industries. The economy has empty calories.

  15. avatar
    Máté János

    Well Iceland, Switzerland and Norway – outside the EU – are just doing fine, so they’ll survive…

  16. avatar
    Victor CP

    EU has done the things very bad, it is impossible to do it worse. Sooner or later it is going to disappear. … it is the price for giving its back to the people.

  17. avatar
    ironworker

    There is nothing out there to replace what has become a deadly trap. There are considerable more disadvantages than advantages for the great majority of Europeans. Just like in the boiling frog story, ultimately the frog dies because it didn’t realize the water turns hot slowly. This “Union” has become more like the former Soviet Union and probably will end up in the same way.

    • avatar
      Gyorgy

      English have no clue about Europe just a not so hidden agenda.

  18. avatar
    Ana Fonseca

    A saída da Alemanha seria, por si só, uma grande vantagem para a manutenção da UE.

  19. avatar
    Harry Small

    The EU is great. Life outside the family is cold, loveless and unforgiving. In a couple of short weeks our economy has crashed, our democracy has failed and people are looking to leave England for better life abroad. I voted to leave but can already see it was a mistake.

    • avatar
      Duncan

      If you thought there would be no economic panic or hard work involved in separating from 40 years of integration then that was very naive of you. But it’s far too soon to say it’s gone wrong. As for lonely and loveless, I don’t feel any more or less loved or lonely than I did pre vote.

  20. avatar
    Lotfy Benyahya Amor

    Having serious doubts about the goodness of THIS Europe. It is far from being what we (southern Europeans) expected.

    • avatar
      Tarquin Farquhar

      @Lotfy Benyahya Amor
      Southern EU nations will have to learn to live without begging for more money from the Northern EU financially superior nations.

    • avatar
      Tarquin Farquhar

      @Margarita G. Soto
      LOL!

      The fire is spreading because of the fuel you put on it, what should we do?

      MORE FUEL PLEASE!

  21. avatar
    Joe Moore

    A new economic union with just the northern countries as their economies are close enough to each other to be compatible.

    • avatar
      Tarquin Farquhar

      @Joe Moore
      Not bad, France won’t like it though!

    • avatar
      Pro-EU

      LOOOOOL What do you think will happen then. I can tell you…war

  22. avatar
    Jan Nieuwland

    Well…. you voted to not be part of eu. So why the debate ? Just exit and leave. Stay to your principles right ?
    Hey ho…. but you want all the benefits, no trade barriers, no payment to eu, and no people from eu that work the jobs that many uk workers dont like….
    Forget it ! Don’t think you will be that a good negotiator to make that happen ?
    What does UK have that eu desperately is in need for that you can provide to eu in exchange ?

    The uk bluffed the poker game, lost it and was misinformed by their politicians who are now running and let others take responsability to clean the mess that they caused….

    I am afraid uk has to bite the bullet. You voted out so be prepared to be hit by its consequences. There is no free lunch here.

    And in a couple of years it may be proven to have been the right or wrong decision…. in the latter case uk may have to beg to be allowed to return. And …. adopt that euro.

    We will see.

    Good luck guys….

    • avatar
      Tarquin Farquhar

      @Jan Nieuwland
      Many in the UK want to adopt WTO trade tariffs – the EU would suffer more than the UK – the UK is the EU-27’s biggest trade partner.

      The UK has been the stablest country for 1000 years – we don’t respond well to threats and bilge from fascist EU types.

      The UK would also source food from our old more reliable and less corrupt colonies like Canada, Australia, NZ and the USA – no language issues and superior democracy and legal systems.

      The EU was a backward step for the UK. Unless there is an EU 2.0 wherein the UK cherry picks whatever it wants, the EU will just stagger from crisis to crisis until Germany can no longer cope with the debt, the hassle and the upheaval.

      Viva EU 2.0!

    • avatar
      Duncan

      @Jan, what does the UK have that Europe needs? You really don’t know? We’re one of Germany’s largest export markets for their cars for a start. Think your German overlords will let that market get closed to them? As for playing a bluff, a vote to leave the table isn’t a bluff. It’s saying I don’t want to play this game anymore. Cameron tried to get a renegotiation pre referendum so he could tell us we didn’t need to vote leave anymore, but that offer was so full of empty gestures he couldn’t even wield it in the remain campaign. You seem to think we were trying to bully our way into taking advantage of the EU. Simply not the case. Voting out came hand in hand with uncertainty, the scariest thing known to mankind! Yet it was still preferable to voting to remain. What is it going to take for the people who can change the course of EU before it ends up on the rocks to realise the danger?

    • avatar
      Gyorgy

      Sure. You just leave the business for Europeans

  23. avatar
    Tom Mc Culloch

    It was no bluff guy…… British people voted by a majority to leave and that is what happens. But for you too talk of free lunch is a bit rich when we pay into this bucket far more than most of you free loaders do. But watching from the sidelines when you tear yourselves apart will prove that the right decision was made . So good luck guy, no free loaders here either.

  24. avatar
    Rácz Tivadar

    Loose federation of free, sovereign father-or motherlands. Get that bunch of eurocrats, eurodictaters away, the sooner, the better!

  25. avatar
    Matej Zaggy Zagorc

    The problem with EU is that it has gotten too complicated and is too deeply rooted in each member. Which we can see with the Brexit. It’s corrupt and overly buerocratic but leaving it tears up the country

  26. avatar
    Peter

    Best alternative would be a federal democratic European Republic with respect for its regional diversity (=subsidiarity). I am so fed up with those national politicians. Many problems don’t stop at borders! Why do we yell for 19th century ideologies that endanger our social coexistence? That’s mad!

    • avatar
      Tarquin Farquhar

      @Peter
      So, you want the current status quo then?

    • avatar
      Peter

      @ Tarquin Farquhar
      I would prefer e.g. more European politics against tax havens and unregulated financial markets, more security cooperation, more research cooperation, less detail regulation, status quo in European environmental politics, more rights for the European Parliament, less intergovernmentalism.

    • avatar
      Tarquin Farquhar

      @Peter
      A lot of what you stated could be achieved without an EU.

    • avatar
      Peter

      @Tarquin
      But it could better be achieved with the EU.

    • avatar
      Tarquin Farquhar

      @Peter
      Not given the EU’s poor track record.

    • avatar
      Peter

      @Tarquin
      In worst case (if rescue funds run out), Greece, Italy, Spain, France or Portugal will (partially) have to abandon the Euro temporarily until their state budgets are trustworthy again for loan markets. Perceived democracy, bureaucracy, big business, militarization and immigration critics have a point, but are manageable and quite exaggerated in my view.

    • avatar
      Tarquin Farquhar

      @Peter
      You slate monarchies but your marginal consideration of the ‘plebs’ is reminiscent of the feudal lords you so despise.

      Have a heart Lord Peter – maybe the UK’s actions could in the long run be a plus re the “Perceived” democracy, bureaucracy, big business, militarization and immigration that you have scant regard for.

    • avatar
      Peter

      @Tarquin :)
      Let’s see. I like that J.M. Keynes quote: “In the long run, we are all dead.”

      Fortunately for everyone, I am just as ‘plebs’ as everyone else here. So please respect the opinion of the plebs!

    • avatar
      Tarquin Farquhar

      @Lord Peter
      Try being less arrogant and dismissive of the “Plebs” that you so despise.

      “Plebs” are human beings too!!

    • avatar
      Peter

      @Tarquin Farquhar
      Hallo? If you would use your glasses, I wrote that I am as plebs as everyone else here. There is no despise!

  27. avatar
    Anna Maria Sifo

    Straight European Union! You know, based on Christian membership, prioritizing Europeans? Not costantly fussing about ‘all except’ us.

  28. avatar
    Petko Ivanov Prodanov

    Hey why are wondering where must to be new financial center of Europe after the UK the rejection of membership in EU!?come to my village Rabisha:DDDDDDDWe will do a brand new financial quagmire :D

  29. avatar
    Leo Karstel

    I cant believe you guys voted to get out and now regret. Why? Due to the media? Who owns the media? Due to financial markets? Who has the big money pumping there? Due to multinational threats to leave? Its your market!! They want your market no matter what! But not only your market…no, they want to make sure you decide for them. They want to be the first to lobby against whats better for you to ensure high profits.

    You now have the chance for a default. To answer the fear with real responsible behaviour in whats best in the long term. Take it!!

    You are half way there and my god…I want my country to follow!!

  30. avatar
    Ken Clymer

    How about getting rid of the entire EU, putting all the United States of Europe politicians on trial for treason, and then replacing it with a common market with free trade, individual currencies, free movement, with an opt out option if a particular country behaves stupidly. For example, Germany decides to invite unlimited migration without any thought for the consequences, then the other countries have the right to reinstate border controls.

  31. avatar
    Ralph Thomas Kappler

    The EU “Capitol” is also the host city of the NATO Headquarter. Based in Mons it is to close to the political centre of Europe. This is a fatal EU planning error. The military and secret service concentration is dominating the EU. If this was not bad enough. All this , NATO and EU hosting is put in motion by Zero capital tax paying Belgian kleptomaniacs. Belgium is a hidden failed state right in the EU centre. This could never work. The only chance for EU survival? Move it’s institutions swiftly into still functioning states and cities, like The Hague, Vienna, Paris, Bonn or even Prague.

    • avatar
      Tarquin Farquhar

      @Ralph Thomas Kappler
      Not Paris – perhaps Dublin instead?

  32. avatar
    Joseph Kelleher Goodlord

    I can’t believe how people are so dumbed down, so let’s look at the facts shall we? The eu was not serving the people of Britain (financial services and IT) as side so we know what was NOT happening. But all I hear is spectululation and what could happen, but come on now folks, it’s only been 2 weeks ! Lol

    • avatar
      Tarquin Farquhar

      @Alan Jones
      What about Iceland then?

    • avatar
      Paul X

      I suggest stick to typing “is” in lower case letters, unless you want to attract the attention of the CIA search engine..

  33. avatar
    Antonio Bustillo

    At the end United Kingdom, will be the winner. To be out of the Europe, may be a good thing. At least you are your own boss.

    • avatar
      Gyorgy

      Your own weak and lonely boss. You can be sovereignly rejected by girls or be less sovereign living with one

  34. avatar
    Geoff Smith

    As it appears many British people voted to leave to reduce immigration let’s assume free movement of people is out of the question which is a cornerstone of EU policy so, with that goes our free trade access to the single market so the only alternative that would be acceptable to many leave voters is the WTO tariff option which would be a disaster for the UK economy so looks like a no win situation folks.

    • avatar
      Paul X

      Free movement tied to free trade is an invention of the EU, it is not a necessity to keep the world turning

      The UK should negotiate its own deal where trade is not tied to free movement, at the end of the day it is down to the strength of our negotiators and how much the EU needs to keep trading with the UK. Certainly Germany will bend over backwards to keep free trading with us but unfortunately it will be the tin pot countries which contribute little but make a lot of noise who will try and block things

  35. avatar
    Natalia Agapiou

    EU membership with members who are friendlier to each other (for a change); who don’t park the refugees in countries that are offered no choice (for a change)

    • avatar
      Maia Alexandrova

      Yes, better to be the Commonwealth milking machine – £12 billion foreign aid a year and nothing in return…

  36. avatar
    Vladar Peter

    , EU without merkel , junker, schulz, is better,, servants of the usa, ,, UK made a good decision!
    Orban for prezident !!:))

    • avatar
      Gyorgy

      He’s pro EU just so you know

  37. avatar
    William Graham

    DAVID ZORAN PARENTI YOU WONT GET IN ITS POINTS THAT MAKES PRIZES NOT ONLY THAT WE DONT WANT U HERE IN OUR COUNTRY

  38. avatar
    Dirk Wenzel

    Is it so difficult to imagine europe without eu? There arme many Exempels, and its nötig so Bad to live there… Swizzerland, scandinavia, island…

    • avatar
      Gyorgy

      Out of the streets with religious fanatics and lunatics.

    • avatar
      Gyorgy

      Back to blaming the other countries and sink in the isolationist xenophobia and grandomania and slowly develop long term conflicts with other countries. As you say: how it was before=world wars.

  39. avatar
    John

    We can trade together, doesn’t mean we have to live without an identity, the eu gives noone an identity or heritage such as british, irish, spanish or any other nationality, even irish people in the us considers them self irish american not just american,

    • avatar
      Peter

      This fear of losing identity by EU membership is rife as it seems. I would say, every person living in Britain naturally develops a British European identity. Britain is part of the European society. That’s no different from an Irish American. I don’t see the problem. European identity does not replace national ones.

      BTW that has few to do with the EU, it’s just a cultural question. Aren’t British Europeans quite different from British Americans, British Australians, etc due to their many very close ties of all kinds to other Europeans (not only your German royals but that’s e.g. a good symbol), common European history and present, arts, science, education, views of social security of the individuum, understanding of human, social and environmental rights and the rule of law, …

  40. avatar
    Max Bliss

    There will not be a war between European nations as we have mass communication now, so the governments won’t get away with their past shenanigans so close to home.

    • avatar
      catherine benning

      @ Peter:

      And just lets look deeply at how well the wonderful integration is performing in the US. Are the African Americans getting along with the Hispanic Americans? Or the Greek Americans with the Turkish Americans? Are all of them loving the~European Americans and vice versa? Or, are they in the beginning of a civil war?

      What none of you people who claim so much intelligence and knowledge simply refuse to accept is the natural aspect and needs of the psyche given to the Human Being in order for them to function safely. We, just as all other animals, are formerly and most intently consumed by self preservation and reproduction. Self preservation works within each and every tribe. Evolution and tribe go together. Tribes move in separate and different directions, not as one united mass. Cultures are inbred not acquired. They are supported by the environment they are raised in, but, we inherit our social and cultural genes in just the same way we inherit our physical attributes. And if that doesn’t sit well, think about the breeding of dogs or horses or camels or bulls, just to raise a tiny few. When we go and choose a special breed of the animal we want to acquire, we know what we are looking for temperamentally, the physical traits we want and whether they are likely to be aggressive or timid. It is so obvious it should not even have to be raised.

      Political correctness continues to pretend and deny or accept nature in all its beauty and fierceness. Its most overriding demand of survival being primary. We are not robots, yet. We are evolved species and the instinct is to try and live in harmony, but, should it come to it, and we feel we are being threatened, we return to instinct. And instinct demands we club together with those who are our tribe, as, we understand the expectations and the demands of that tribe. We are safe within our tribe as it protects us. And that is where it is at.

      Once that is accepted and respected, it is easy to establish the way forward and the harmony and stability that instils. But, tolerance, in the face of threat, cannot and will not take place under the same roof. Trust is not an instinct of the human animal. As it is impossible to trust what you cannot understand identify with or respect.

      Therefore, evolution of different tribes as one entity is not possible. Development, even in one child to another, is different and met with suspicion.

      The US experiment of melting pot has not worked. Like Europe, it is falling apart as it was built on flawed science. It was simply an experiment in husbandry that ignored the fundamental nature of the beast. Akin to breeding a chihuahua with a Great Dane.

  41. avatar
    William Graham

    How do u think these other countries in the EU will feel if they try and make it hard for us what goes around comes around. Their cars how many people in Britain have them I don’t know the total but if we say up urs we will all buy from none EU countries .Its only time before other countries follow us and want out and they know its on the way they will try to give us hell because they will try and frighten others to stay in but it wont work HOLLAND R NEARLY THEIR NOW.

  42. avatar
    Jeffrey ten Velde

    Lets hope the EU does not collapse. If you look into history and see what happens when Union’s, Confederations and Federations collapse it is not a good thing. Most of the time it results in massive wars. I think the EU is a great thing but it has to change for the better.

    • avatar
      Tarquin Farquhar

      @Jeffrey Ten Velde
      So long as the warfare-brothers (AKA Germany and France) are in NATO – EU wars of any significance won’t happen!

    • avatar
      Tarquin Farquhar

      @Peter
      Ever heard of “Neville Chamberlain” and “peace in our time”?

    • avatar
      Peter

      @ Tarquin Farquhar
      I do. The difference is that Munich agreement lastet for less than a year and encouraged Hitler in his ‘Lebensraum im Osten’ madness. Elysee contract lasts for more than 53 years now and contributes to close relations between Germans and French, not only elites.

      BTW Chamberlains policy is exactly the main rationale of Western governments in supporting Georgia, Moldova and Ukraine (additional to the nuke-disarmament agreement with Ukraine) and sanction unilateral Russian ‘Heim-ins-Reich’ policies.

    • avatar
      Tarquin Farquhar

      @Peter
      The Elysee contract worked with a disunited Germany.

      German unification is slowly destroying the idealism of the past.

      When Germany tells France to beg, France begs.

    • avatar
      Peter

      @Tarquin
      I don’t see it that way. It’s mutual interest to increase integration, not only German. But the tandem would work better with a stronger French economy for sure. Balance with respect to population will be back in 10 to 20 years as Germans are too lazy to have children and will not integrate 1 million immigrants every year.

    • avatar
      Tarquin Farquhar

      @Lord Peter
      When the 10th French Republic transpires (in the next 20 years perhaps?) maybe France’s economy will get stronger BUT the Germans just upped their population >1M last year and it will continue to grow faster than poodle France’s…

    • avatar
      Peter

      @Plebs ;)
      Unlikely with hustings starting, probably an even stronger CSU in next government, huge pension and health system gaps lurking from the 2020ies on, and, heaven forbid, the first entry of a nationalist right-wing party to German parliament since Nazi-times…
      As sad as it is, no need to be frightened of a too prosperous Germany. Anyway, even Le Pen, Petry and others will welcome Brexit refugees from the City and elsewhere, so: thank you for your vote :)

    • avatar
      Tarquin Farquhar

      @Peter
      LOL!

      No need to worry about a ‘too prosperous Germany’!

  43. avatar
    Omid Danesh Khorak

    To pay $50 Mio for Tutorial and $65 Mio penulty, and 1 full day time of EP for learning what to do for today Europe 8-)

  44. avatar
    Lynne Warner

    Stop all the stupid laws that do little but divide and irritate the real people who live real lives and who have to deal with the stupidity.

    • avatar
      Gyorgy

      Name ten stupid laws that you have to live with and irritates and divides.

  45. avatar
    Xavi Otger Domingo

    Dear mr Draghi….please, can you print more money and send it to Madrid???? We need it to keep our extreme good qualitat of live. Thank you very much

    • avatar
      Gyorgy

      He is doing that. It’s up to the Spanish banks to take it and lend it to Spanish entrepreneurs.

  46. avatar
    Dirk Podszuweit

    The EU is a construction for business only. What’s left for the citizens? Pay a lot of tax to feed the financial system it never feel full.

    • avatar
      Gyorgy

      What it would be like another construction for the citizens?

  47. avatar
    Thierry Longer

    The only way forward is to stay united as many as we can to face complex trade with China and India. United and better organized we can design the best products the world needs cars trains planes robots… E.U united cultures are unbeatable in product design quality and cost.

    • avatar
      Gyorgy

      Free to go. Don’t just talk.

  48. avatar
    Peter Wicks

    The big Problem is that the country is being run by politicians, backed up by money people who want to remain in the EU. So do they want to make Brexit a success? I doubt it! Do they even have the balls to go ahead with what the majority of normal British people voted for? Again, I doubt It! After seeing the shameful, childish behaviour of the remain supporters I believe they will do there upmost to see us Fail, probably with a lot of support from people on this debate!!

    • avatar
      Gyorgy

      Shameful?! What about the 350 million pound claim and what was said about it the next day? You gypsies. ..

    • avatar
      Gyorgy

      What will it be free and alliance in the same time?

    • avatar
      Gyorgy

      The folks of Europe are the folks of the European Union. It’s only in the British bubble what you are saying.

    • avatar
      Paul X

      Bullsh!t…Europe was Europe before the EU came into existence and will still be Europe when the whole profligate, elitist driven political project implodes

  49. avatar
    George Yiannitsiotis

    Life and business as usual provided that new trade partners substitute for the EU single market.

  50. avatar
    marc bacon

    Scrap the Commission and Parliament. Keep the Council of Ministers. Rather than 28 DG’s in Brussels have a European Affairs department in each member state who ‘cherry pick’ which European laws it wants to implement. In short give sovereignty and the cash back to sovereign states.

    • avatar
      Gyorgy

      The council of ministers is not an executive structure, the ministers can’t micromanage what they decided. Usual low brow diy-ing… of those who feel the need to justify their innate anti European ism with something

  51. avatar
    Delta

    No membership just a trade partner. No love just transaction and EU interests protected. No more Rolls Royce for Airbus and Wales wing factory for Airbus etc.

    • avatar
      Paul X

      Yep, likewise no love and just transactions in the UK’s interest

      I think you will find the UK has lost more contracts to other European countries due to the EU’s (un)fair competition rules than it has gained, hopefully all soon to return

    • avatar
      Adrian

      However it will the EU who sets the rules.
      The UK can accept of crawl out with nothing.

  52. avatar
    Martin Unterholzner

    The best option?
    From an economic perspective: stay in the European Economic Area.
    What the British voters want: no immigration and no laws from Brussels, which means neither EEA, nor bilateral agreements. Just trade based on WTO rules.

    What the EU must do:
    – embrace direct democracy
    – directly elect the commission
    – move away power from the European Council
    – move some responsibilities back to member states
    – move some other responsibilities like foreign affairs, immigration from 3rd countries, asylum procedures and security to Brussels
    – coordinate economic policies to make the Euro finally work

  53. avatar
    Jokera Jokerov

    First it is EU not Europe! Second, the EU is becoming more isolationist, protectionist, conservative and EU-centric. There is a brave new world out of the EU there.

  54. avatar
    catherine benning

    National sovereignty within a peaceful trading plan, whilst allowing for the differences of each trading partner to thrive and evolve as it and they comfortably should.

    If you want the movement of people, It must be accepted that each and every member state has the identical benefits offered for the people within that trading bloc. If those stated who want to join that trading bloc cannot offer equality of lifestyle to the migrant population they should not be able to join the trading community under the free movement of people.

    Add to that, the absolute acceptance that should people decide to move from one nation to another, their acceptance of the host culture and expectation of that culture is paramount. And should that lifestyle not be suitable to them, to understand there is no alternative but to leave it and go where they feel they can thrive and be content without aggressive refusal.

  55. avatar
    Ivan Burrows

    .

    The money saved by not being in the EU will easily outstrip any costs ‘threatened’ by Brussels for leaving, so its a win win for any Nation that leaves the EU.

    This is why article 50 will not be triggered until after the new year as new trade deals are being drawn up with American, China, India, Australia, New Zealand, etc which are calculated to be at least x10 more profitable than so called free access to the EU’s single market. So keep your customs union, we are rejoining the free world :)

  56. avatar
    Vasilis Koutronas

    We want to see the enlargement of the E.U. and we wish one day the european constitution to become federal. United States of Europe(U.S.E.) now!

  57. avatar
    Wendy Harris

    We spend too much in the EU. Let’s get our own manufacturing base going again and buy British. No-strings free trade agreements or nothing.

  58. avatar
    Francesco Haag Bellini

    The info graphic is not mentioning the freedom from absurd rules in agriculture and food production. To be free in every country to produce best products they can with no limits, just the quality. No more oranges destruction in Sicily, no rules on chocolate that eu rules destroy quality

  59. avatar
    J M Perz Gnlz

    The best alternative to EU membership is not being member of the EU, as you just remarked in this article.

  60. avatar
    Eugenia Serban

    UK will be the third model for sure
    Hope the EU leaders understand that UK has always been and will be a part of Europe, one of the most powerful countries in the world and it should be treated with RESPECT and FRIEND
    SHIP.
    EC should offer best mutual deal and try to find harmony for the benefit of both sides, the world is watching and many europeans started to be hostile to EU and its tyranical decissions.
    Be fair , decent and friendly, EC and EP are one of the reasons why UK voted LEAVE..

  61. avatar
    Christos Mouzeviris

    And all that just to protect one industry in each country… The Fisheries in Norway and Iceland, and the banking sector in Switzerland….

  62. avatar
    José Bessa da Silva

    Let us be real. We’re here speaking as if a member that leaves will simply stop trading with the EU. That is a false asdumption. Even if it was Malta leaving the EU would not lose the opportunity of trading with it. That is the real fact. Those dedicated to preech the doom day forget their own arguments. In a globalized world where economies are dependent on eachother that “dooms day” is as false as the bible.

  63. avatar
    Patricia Kokx

    They cannot sell the Norwegian model to the brexiters as it would still incorporate free movement of people. The EU hates the current agreement with Switserland and are unlikely to strike a similar agreement a second time. There will either be a third model or UK won’t leave. I think it will be the latter.

  64. avatar
    Rácz Tivadar

    You are just trying to justify your and eurocrats existence. European Nations haven’t needed any eu, wto and whatever else along the past milenia, they wouldn’t either over the coming milenia. Just be avare of your temporary existence, you impostors.

  65. avatar
    Rui Correia

    None of the above… maybe a new model, based on new deals, drawn from scratch on a blank sheet of paper??? The EU and “the models”… oh well, some people need to keep their useless bureaucratic jobs, right? Otherwise, things could get even worse ;-) How about starting all over from the start, make a new beginning from zero, with a positive and constructive atmosphere in place??? :-) Respect the British vote, and they will certainly respect us, other fellow Europeans. I have little doubt about this.

  66. avatar
    eusebio manuel vestias pecurto vestias

    We in Europe of change we must strive to change the new one europe againts facism in one Europe Europe sustainable devolopment Democrally better

  67. avatar
    Enric Mestres Girbal

    The countries existed BEFORE the EU and the had ethics, morals and less corruption. The UK, in a few years will have a better standard then the EU countires.

  68. avatar
    Jimi Sowa

    Question “what is alternative to EU” is the same as “what is alternative to communism” Answer is – freedom, free market and minimum government in our life. What to do? Kick out masonery from Europe.

  69. avatar
    Μιχάλης Ιακωβίδης

    Αργήσατε πολύ να ρωτήσετε αλλά και που ρωτάτε τι με αυτό. Πάλι τα δικά σας θα κάνετε. Επομένως μην μας ρίχνετε στάχτη στα μάτια! Αυτό το δέντρο έχει σάπιες ρίζες..

  70. avatar
    Marco Peel

    Sure, the EU has a democratic deficit, but joining it as outsider without being able to take part in the decision making process at all, seems like a rather silly solution… The alternative to the EU is a better EU – of the people, by the people and for the people…

  71. avatar
    Anita Nestorova

    The infographic says much, however, none of the options seems like a viable alternative for the UK. Above all, the UK is a union itself. An option of these may apply to the English visioning but may not comply with the Scottish trading policy for example…

  72. avatar
    Ivan Burrows

    .

    The alternative to EU membership is being a free and democratic Nation … what’s not to like. :)

  73. avatar
    Kovács János

    The best alternative is to remain in the common market, but not being part of a political union.

  74. avatar
    Manuel Alegria

    Union YES…
    UK got backfired on their demands, now cry on it… they still can join Putin’s club

  75. avatar
    Nando Aidos

    One can argue forever about membership or no membership, but the first line of business is to fix the EU from within and really be serious about it!

  76. avatar
    Sebastien Chopin

    Join Mercosur, Asean or NAFTA? no country can survive alone nowadays…thats an illusion for the stupid and reckless…. so pick a group and stick to it…

    • avatar
      Thomas Hou

      Switzerland is not a respectable alternative in all aspects, it is an opportunistic tax heaven but less and less thanks to the EU.

    • avatar
      Vytautas Vėžys

      Thomas Hou But it shows perfect example how sovereign country could have perfectly normal relations with surrounding nations without belonging to same union.

    • avatar
      Dino Šakanović

      Idea from 19. century to solve problems of 21. century. Cool

    • avatar
      Vytautas Vėžys

      Dino Šakanović Well Noational Sovereignity was uniting power from beginning of human race. One country / one party / one opinion is just most recent idea, and it’s failing everywhere where people try to implement it.
      Multicultural idea is like communism – nice on paper but unreachable in reality. Tell me at least one problem that Union helps to solve without oppressing some groups of people.

    • avatar
      Thomas Hou

      Vytautas Vėžys Nations are an invention from the French revolution, so it is about 200 old. The EU brought peace to Europe. There is no freedom without peace. War is oppresion.

    • avatar
      Παυλος Χαραλαμπους

      “Eu peace ” sounds like the ” Roman peace ” to me.. Any way let’s see it on a practical level.yesterday in the Turkish parliament they whas screaming that they going to take over 18 Greek islands (European soil) what the Europe is going to do? Something tell’s me nothing. In case of a Turkish attack how eu is going to fight for those islands? Nope like Cyprus in 1974 there are to far away from Brussels which means that we are alone on that, even worse thanks to EU’s economic policies, we lost pretty much of our industrial power which means that we can’t produce the equipment we need to deel with this threat!!

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      Jean-Pierre Rosa

      Παυλος Χαραλαμπους its not the EU’s fault you have no heavy industry. You simply did not invest or innovate like the germans and you got passed by china and india. Assume you corruption and mistakes rather than blame the EU. You were given billions and billions to succeed and you squandered all of it. Then you cry when you are told to pay back…

    • avatar
      Παυλος Χαραλαμπους

      You probably don’t know much allow me to give you a little example. Have you ever heard about “skaramaga ship yards ” you should, I used to work there and I can tell you that we were capable to build even stealth warships!! After Greece entered the euro zone the shipyard lost most of their clients since it’s was not allowed to sell anything out side eu. In 2004 the government control shipyard had great financial problems, there was at least 3 different Greek shipping companies asking to buy them but the minister of defence preferred Krupp. After Krupp took control of the shipyard they closed them! They even didn’t bother to finish 2 submarines!!!! Have you ever heard about “christoforakos ” scandal? He is a German Siemens employee who he’s job was to give corruption money to politicians! Can you explain me why he is protected by the German government??????

    • avatar
      Παυλος Χαραλαμπους

      Also the original question was do eu protecting peace or not? I say no because its centre doesn’t care about south or east ,so national sovereignty is a far better option

    • avatar
      Jean-Pierre Rosa

      Παυλος Χαραλαμπους so you are blaming your internal corruption on the EU 😂?

  77. avatar
    Yannick Herve

    Switzerland for démocratic process mixed with scandinavian habits for government behavior.

    • avatar
      Stephen Challen

      That is what is being claimed in the Supreme High Court that the EU is, as their reason why the Government cannot leave without a full Parlimentary Debate and Vote. The Government’s position is its just a Trading Club and they have the right to leave based on Parliment voting and passing an act to give the decision to the People. Okay they misjudged the nations hatred of the EU but that’s democracy but we’ve got anti-democratic forces trying to shut it down after the horse has bolted.

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      Stephen Challen

      That would be the best option. Mind you we need to be ensuring that it doesn’t give opportunity to the Socialist Fascists to take power. Don’t need to prove the EU right. :)

    • avatar
      Pedro Castro

      Didn’t you vote out? How about you start handling your exit and leave others to their business? Wasn’t that exactly your point? Not wanting others to meddle on your affairs? Stop being hipocrits and handle your own country while eu handles their own.

  78. avatar
    Julia Hadjikyriacou

    I think the people are angry with the financial system and its policies that causes suffering to people and damages the economy for everyone except corporations and the mega-rich. And people are blaming the EU instead for allowing it to happen.

    • avatar
      Jean-Pierre Rosa

      Yet they keep voting for right wing parties that exacerbate those devisions and in turn blame the EU.. people are responsible for their own stupidity.

    • avatar
      Julia Hadjikyriacou

      It is up to the people to demand change. Look at history, nothing is ever handed on a plate. Greed and exploitation rule until people actively demand fairness.

    • avatar
      Jean-Pierre Rosa

      Παυλος Χαραλαμπους all nations elected governments that had joining the EU in their platform. Can’t even think of one that did not make that clear in their platform before election. Thats what people wanted, if they voted for those parties.

  79. avatar
    Bobi Dochev

    Swiss, Norwaw, now Grat Britain – the life outside the criminal Brussels regime looks quite well!!!

  80. avatar
    Tobias Stricker

    Don’t pay a small share of the 15.000 Eurocrats, hire 30.000 new national bureaucrats, because it is so much cheaper. :-) *Check for Brexit-Britain

  81. avatar
    Dimitris Stamiris

    i wish to meet the person who make those questions ….. GET A LIFE …. yes we still have life here cause we are Greeks and you will never change us ……
    we dont wont to live in UNITED STATES OF GERMANY !!!!!!!

    YOU WILL THANKS GREEKS SOON ….. AGAIN !!!!!

  82. avatar
    Enric Mestres Girbal

    In a few years, not many, we EU countries will look at the UK and ask ourselves…”why didn’t we leaved at the same time as them?”

  83. avatar
    Φωτεινή Μάρκου

    Unless european Union should become a union for the bebefit of simple european citizens, more and more people would react negatively against it. How long will continue austerity measures that make people suffering? What is the purpose of united Europe if some members imposes politics to other members with little respect to the effects that these measures have on the everyday life of the people? How many people are emploeyd in EU offices and services and how their productivity is measured? Is there really a common european vision or each memberstate puts first the national interest? Can those be combined fot the benefit of ALL european citizens?? … Do all member states want this to happen??

  84. avatar
    Jacob Marn

    question is, why was the UK ever even in the EU? even when Churchill spoke of the continental union he never envisioned the UK as a part of it

    the EU is a good thing, being united on the world stage is the only way European countries matter nowadays, without that we would be completely reliant on the US to get our word out, but it needs to be reformed, which could be easier without the UK. but most of all, the EU needs to inform its citizens better of what the EU even is, a large majority don’t even know how it functions or even what it is

  85. avatar
    Manuel Alegria

    Need better politicians, like the ones in EEC time, people who wanted to make EU bigger and stronger…
    not like the actual ones, dead in the dirty hands of IMF, ECB; Wall Street, Goldman Sacks and other criminals

  86. avatar
    Anna Kolotova

    Council of Europe, international cooperation on a Convention based system where member and non member states are actually involved in the design of the Conventions and can ratify if they think it can be of use to them. Cooperation based around the European Convention for human rights, as envisioned after the disaster of WWII. http://www.coe.int/en/

  87. avatar
    Rácz Tivadar

    Anything else but the eu. Loosen confederation of free member countries, as one example.

  88. avatar
    Joaquim Tenreiro

    Acabar de vez. Eu era europeu agora sou português e quero que os outros se fodam principalmente os alemães. É simples. E acho que muita gente pensa mas não escreve.

  89. avatar
    Carmelo A. Costanza

    Apparently, there is no ideal alternative to EU Membership, non-EU members are obliged to incorporate significant EU law and regulations into national law, contribute to the EU budget, while having no representation or political influence in the EU. Non-EU Members are solely rule takers as opposed to rule givers. There is no maneuvering to this arrangement with accessing the European Common Market or cherry picking the benefits or spoils as some countries aspire for. As with any project, the framework of a project is never perfect, it’s a progress, and when necessary, reform is the solution, not departure. Hopefully, reason prevails over skepticism and emotions.

    • avatar
      Stefania Portici

      la libertà non ha un perimetro illimitato ( nel senso che non puoi fare quello ti pare ) ma finisce dove limita o offende la libertà degli altri freedom does not have an unlimited scope (meaning they can not do what you think) but ends where limits or offends the freedom of others

  90. avatar
    Dino Boy Mican

    Dismantling the EU for its faults is like saying abolish everything, nation, state, family because we can’t stand them. No, that’s stupid. Remain, improve, grow, prosper.

  91. avatar
    Johnny Sintra

    The alternative is clear: the southern countries must exit from the EU and make a southern european Union, out of the nazism of Germany, out the eurozone and privileging trade among them. Only those who know Portugal, Spain, Italy and Greece would understand my opinion (and i was a very convicted european and a strong supporter of the EU. No now, not anymore)…

    • avatar
      Stefania Portici

      usciamo da una Unione europea e ne costruiamo un’altra ? Bho, non mi sembra una buona idea

    • avatar
      Chris Pavlides

      South has the resources, the skills & the background.

    • avatar
      José Bessa da Silva

      LOL…A UE é um atentado à soberania e prosperidade nacional. Fazer uma UE com países como Itália e Espanha era substituir o mau por péssimo. Em vez de andarmos aos desmandos da França e Alemanha andariamos aos desmandos de dois dos países mais corruptos e incompetentes do bloco. Dois países com tantos problemas que mal se conseguem manter intactos com tanto independentismo. Isso sim é uma verdadeira ideia de jerico. Isto para não falar que a Espanha é um estado terrorista que só nos traz problemas desde que surgiu após a união dinástica dos vários reinos peninsulares com excepção de Portugal. Estar acompanhado desse estado sem a protecção dos nossos aliados, que são e sempre foram atlânticos, é de loucos.

  92. avatar
    Andrew Potts

    A EU that genuinely promotes European countries and not a globalist agenda as defined by McDonalds and Soras.

  93. avatar
    Stefania Portici

    la libertà non ha un perimetro illimitato ( nel senso che non puoi fare quello ti pare ) ma finisce dove limita o offende la libertà degli altri freedom does not have an unlimited scope (meaning they can not do what you think) but ends where limits or offends the freedom of others

  94. avatar
    George Koutsoftas

    Get a hell out of there fast… You are a bunch of crooks destroying other countries economy drive the people to poverty, export your own shit all over the place and when ask you for a fucking support you look the other way because your personal interests come first. Kick the Turkish out of CYPRUS. CAN YOU DO THAT HIPOCRITES ???

  95. avatar
    Raphael Bek

    The best alternative is certainly the return of the Austrian-Hungarian empire. Kaiserreich for everyone.♥️

  96. avatar
    Raphael Bek

    The best alternative is certainly the return of the Austrian-Hungarian empire. Kaiserreich for everyone.♥️

  97. avatar
    GonEprata Megarp

    You know what would be much better than giving imformation to these kind of page? Everyone making a facebook page so people can have their europe back! And where some REAL questions can be made!

  98. avatar
    Miguel Cabrita

    Not making skewed questions for alternatives to this European construction and its policies would be great, and could be a real achievement for this webpage admin.

  99. avatar
    Viorika Motoi

    Norway and Zwizerland is an good example end UK too,may be a good diplomacy hu they work in oll of questions socialpolitics in questions of migracion ,we don,t need globalizacion end yes we need a uniform european market!

  100. avatar
    José Bessa da Silva

    LOL…A UE é um atentado à soberania e prosperidade nacional. Fazer uma UE com países como Itália e Espanha era substituir o mau por péssimo. Em vez de andarmos aos desmandos da França e Alemanha andariamos aos desmandos de dois dos países mais corruptos e incompetentes do bloco. Dois países com tantos problemas que mal se conseguem manter intactos com tanto independentismo. Isso sim é uma verdadeira ideia de jerico. Isto para não falar que a Espanha é um estado terrorista que só nos traz problemas desde que surgiu após a união dinástica dos vários reinos peninsulares com excepção de Portugal. Estar acompanhado desse estado sem a protecção dos nossos aliados, que são e sempre foram atlânticos, é de loucos.

  101. avatar
    Wendy Harris

    Go back to being free independent self-governing countries with our own individual identities who simply trade with one another.

  102. avatar
    João Machado

    Very close minded… So the EU is the best political idea humans ever had… Old Greece must be proud…

  103. avatar
    João Machado

    Good luck with that. Corruption is structural, is created/allowed/boosted by the structure itself. You can jail how many you’d like, many more will come up if the structure remains the same.

  104. avatar
    Gabriella Solti

    I did not say that it is the best politikal idea humans ever head. However all the known alternatives are worse if you look seriously and deeply. OK, I don’t expect such from people like you.

    • avatar
      Fabio Ferrari

      Come to italy then. We have 4 mafias to choose from

    • avatar
      Barbara Szela Lesniak

      Isn’t it the choice between your own ‘mafia chieftains’ and other country’s ‘mafia chieftains’ – once that are more powerful? Isn’t the evil you know better thann the evil you don’t?

  105. avatar
    Gioacchino Giorgio Nastasi

    The program underlying Brexit is part of the British Conservatives linked to North American financial interests, fueled by dreams of restoration or imperial nostalgia, also sponsored by the Russians who want the destruction of the EU that iwould and could become a competitive superpower with their interests. The Brexit wager is Therefore the EU’s disintegration and the return to small national states with which the US economic, political and military domination can continue. Other than that, Brexit would be politically and economically suicidal and could only mean the UK’s total subjection to the US hoping for one Loving understanding and piety. Conservative leaders who, following Blair’s resignation with the will of the Labor Party, have won all the elections, have made this choice by forcing Cameron to make a referendum. The Dutch elections and the French elections (it is necessary to wait for the ballot) have shown an unexpected attachment to the majority of the people of these countries to the EU and the risk of leaving a UK on the slump and bordering on a political economic superpower and tomorrow also military to whom the United Kingdom Will be foreign and will in no way be able to influence, being out of the EU, are creating fears and perplexities in many economic and political circles in the United Kingdom .

    • avatar
      Akis Muto

      Actualy it will help germany more to create a german controled EU. Only the more germanic states (north Europe) will stay there

    • avatar
      Jokera Jokerov

      The free will of the Dutch and the French was expressed in free and honest referenda, but the EU-rocrats neglected the result.

    • avatar
      João Machado

      That must be a joke. Seriously. A doomed currency, the economies of the entire south of Europe destroyed​, democracy being thrown out of the window. Really, a success?

    • avatar
      Tony Petersen

      What preceded? Wars, dictatorships, protectionism, crises… Like any society it needs finetuning but in today’s interconnected and interdependent world, yes, the EU is a success.

    • avatar
      David Alan Roden

      Fine tuning would be great- except that the death grip the eu institutions and the member states have upon each other prevents any serious changes occuring – it is failing because of this inability to change.

    • avatar
      João Machado

      Tony Petersen, talking about dictatorship. After France and the Netherlands voted NO to the EU constitution in 2005, the EU renamed it into the Lisbon treaty, bypassed everything and everyone that was against it (the Irish referendum on the Lisbon treaty was ignored!) and put it in place by force bringing unlimited powers to EU institutions. The Greeks voted NO on a referendum on their country’s bailout and total subjugation to the IMF. The EU found a way to ignore them.. back in 2011 when the Greek prime minister proposed the same kind of referendum he was replaced in 48h. All good examples of EU democracy, or as you called it, dictatorship.
      Protectionism… EU countries cannot celebrate trade agreements outside the EEA, an economic prison. The EU takes ages to celebrate trade agreements that even tiny countries like Iceland are able to achieve in a couple years. The EU as an economic union IS protectionism.
      Crises?! Really?! Ahahah you really think the continent is better now than before?! Have you watched the news in, let’s say, the last 10 years?!?
      The EU has failed the European people in every possible approach, the sooner it’s gone the better.

    • avatar
      Jokera Jokerov

      It was NATO, not the EU that stopped wars in Europe.

    • avatar
      Stefania Portici

      sopra ho messo la spiegazione economica : UE e senza UE ; ma manca un’altra parte importante che sono i principi cui si regge una società, l’economia da sola non basta .Vogliamo parlare di quelli !? La UE ci ha annullato le Costituzioni sostituite con un Trattato i quali principi furono bocciati , usciti dalla porta e rientrati di sotterfugio dalla finestra . Chiunque di buon senso intelligente come fa a accettarlo ? La globalizzazione neoliberista non è una sciagura naturale è una scelta politica. Chi l’ha voluta ? Ecco

  106. avatar
    Barbara Szela Lesniak

    The only option is change of leaders. The sooner, the better. EU has to be democratic and not governed by Germany and France duo only. If you add to that team the arrogant Brussels bureaucrats undemocratically forcing their sick ideas, you can clearly see that EU is heading for disaster.

    • avatar
      Stefania Portici

      sono daccordo con quello che hai scritto ma se cambiano i leader e i principi su cui si basa la UE e la società occidentale restano questi , non ci cambia niente. “Il più stronzo galleggia” noi non dobbiamo fare a gara a chi è più furbo o stronzo , ma dobbiamo essere giusti e come fai ad essere giusto in una società ingiusta nelle fondamenta ? Vanno cambiate le regole , anzi vanno ripristinate le regole che sono dettate nelle nostre Costituzioni

    • avatar
      Barbara Szela Lesniak

      Right! To restore the rules there has to be an honest discussion instead of all this childish huffing, lack of good will and edifying which often sounds cheeky, especially when Germans do it towards us, Polish whom they exterminated in the most inhumane way not that long ago. My country has had to fight for its independence from both Germany and Russia for ever and we don’t need Russians to be replaced by Germans. We want our independence. As to solidarity in e.g. accepting the Muslim immigrants – where was Europe’s solidarity when the Germans and Russians attacked our country in 1939? We’ve been exploited by Russians communists and now we’re supposed to to give in back to Germans?There’s too much arrogance in those leaders. I do believe they’re not representing all Germans in their sick ideas which they try to impose on EU member countries by force. The foundations of EU are OK but, as you said, the original rules have to be restored. EU must be democratic and respect the culture and tradition of each member country – I mean the respect has to be mutual.

  107. avatar
    Dimitris Stamiris

    what is the point of eu wen you care only for other thinks except money ?? …all eu must be pure or ritch …. together or there is no eu

  108. avatar
    Jerzy Zajączkowski

    The best alternative for EU is an association of independent states, a kind of commonwealth. Union in its present form will not survive. Each nation has its own history, incomprehensible to other nations. People living in one part of Europe consider themselves better than others, or at least think of others as worse. Mutual understanding is only superficial. For those reasons, very close contacts can be sometimes unbearable for people.

    • avatar
      Fabrice Bordier

      What you say is totally wrong.
      Union or not Union there will be contacts anyway, the EU is the size of 1/3 of the USA with a population that is almost twice as large.
      And 37% of the EU population lives less than 100km from a border.
      The commonwealth that you are talking about was the EEC, then European found out that rules and norms were needed for free trade, and that rules needed to be created etc… so we went further into integration.
      The UK thought they should remain more indépendant. Fine, but that also explains why the commonwealth is a dying institution and it is not really united. When you go to those countries (like Canada for instance) people are fed up seeing the face of the queen on their bills, they say they have nothing to do with the U.K. Which for this generation is true.
      History of the past is different for each country of the EU. But this does not prevent us to build our future together.
      The biggest devise to overcome will be the difference between the south and the north and the east and the west. Appart for
      That is can be overcome

    • avatar
      Ivan Burrows

      Without overcoming the vast financial difference between the North and the South the EU can not survive and there is no way Germany is just going to just give their money to the South. As for your claim the people of the Commonwealth are ‘fed up seeing the face of the queen on their bills’ you could not be more wrong..

      http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-eu-referendum-35598038

    • avatar
      André Alves Figueiredo

      Jerzy, the differences you talk about exist in any big federal country. USA has states with HUGE economic differences, so does Brasil or Russia. One can argue that economic differences in some of the states of the aformentioned countries are even bigger than that o the south/north European States. As for cultural differences, that’s really a non issue too, because EVERY country in the world that has huge territory and a vast population is going to have big cultural and ethnic differences too (see list of countries mentioned above)

  109. avatar
    Jovan Ivosevic

    Cozy relations with Beijing and Moscow and receiving billions from the Asian Infrastructure Bank to hook up to the new silk road. That’s where the 21st century is.

  110. avatar
    Yordan Vasilev

    After the last vote in the Great Britain things go to soft Brexit. Becase of that it will be follown Swiss and Norwegian models.

  111. avatar
    Alex N Bu

    economic partnership between countries with the same economic value/capita

  112. avatar
    Simeon Milanov

    Being an independent country in the vast world is alternative by itself. In 2019 the UK will sign trade deal with USA. Plus they are already negotiating with Australia and the ossies are ready for a trade deal. As a matter of fact, the UK will most probably build sign a contract with Australia for the modernization of the Australian navy (I think the deal was about some 85-90 billion $). Then there is Canada, China, Saudi Arabia, Israel, Russia, Indonesia, India, Brazil, Mexico and many more countries that can be good trade partners with Britain. Great Britain will become once more a significant country with influence in global affairs. Meanwhile Turkish president Erdogan said he will not release the German citizens arrested in Turkey (unless Germany delivers him some 4500 people who seek political refugee in the country). This shows you that even a middle power like Turkey considers the EU unimportant. Just look at international relations and you will see how everything important happens and is triggered by Washington, Moscow, Beijing, Ryad, Tehran, Ankara, Tokyo, Jerusalem and so on, but certainly not in Brussels and Berlin.

  113. avatar
    Paweł Kunio

    EU non-membership. Watch UE destroying eastern europes independence fro russian oil and gas as find the answer yourself.

    • avatar
      João Machado

      Narrow sighted. It’s as that is all there is. EU politicians share your problem..

    • avatar
      Michael Holz

      My biggest concern is that we as Europeans share only one thing in the future if we don’t find ways of political integration : geopolitical insignificance. We can feel that today already.

    • avatar
      Rémi Martin

      Just because we’ve the obligation to speak from a unique voice, nothing else! How dare do the others countries who aren’t in EU and have certainly a better HDI as some members? Can you explain it?

    • avatar
      Michael Holz

      HDI is only one of many dimensions that makes a state successful in all respects. We should also have the ambition to support globally in such a way that HDI increases globally. That is only possible if one reinforces soft power with forms of hard power. And that is were european unity comes into play.

    • avatar
      José Bessa da Silva

      I’d rather be poor and insignificant than poor and enslaved.

    • avatar
      Michael Holz

      Until reality catches up with you and your are “enslaved” anyway because you actively decided not to shape our world according to common interests, which are opposing things like enslavement.

    • avatar
      Rémi Martin

      Then Michael, you’re going to explain why the french HDI sunk from the third place in 1995 to the 20th place in 2005…

    • avatar
      Michael Holz

      In 1990 France was on place 18. In 2010 France was place 20. That is hardly a loss. Bear in mind that the calculation method of the index was changed several times over the years. The numbers I stated are according to the most recent method. You compare different things.

    • avatar
      José Bessa da Silva

      Only a fool thonks tge EU shape anything in the world. The EU is a corporativist mafia and that is all there is to be said about it. The rest is just a delusional dream of anti-democratic lovers that forget history does indeed repeat itself…

    • avatar
      Uli Czeranka

      U watched too much mel gibson movies

    • avatar
      Giovanni Pasquini

      Uli Czeranka you watched too many €U-propaganda movies. Freedom is the future, €U is the past. Catalonia is not a film: it’s the reality. Wake up boy!

    • avatar
      Michael Holz

      I understand the need of many people to retreat to their nation state as their safe space in an increasingly globalising world. Unfortunately , isolationism and retreat does not solve the global problems we have to face nowadays. Instead, we must find solutions and a democratic structure that goes beyond the european nation states in order to tackle these problems effectively and efficiently.

    • avatar
      Rémi Martin

      Say a guy from Germoney who’s ruling Europe…

    • avatar
      Michael Holz

      Very cheap approach. Guilt by national association? Really? You have to come with something more clever.

    • avatar
      Ivan Burrows

      Michael Holz The new EU motto is ‘One people, One Nation, One leader’ , sound familiar ?

    • avatar
      Rémi Martin

      All of this is bullshit, it didn’t never exist!

    • avatar
      Ivan Burrows

      Europe has been there, done that & saw millions of people die in the process so why would they do it again ?

    • avatar
      Manuel Meier

      I don’t know which alternative facts you have, but in my history book is no institution which was called EF. By the way congratulations to the job in the European Parliament…

    • avatar
      Rémi Martin

      Curiously, in the 40’s, there was a guy called Adolf in Germany who had the same idea, unite Europe… History doesn’t never repeat itself, it only sutters!

    • avatar
      Michael Holz

      Right. Because federalism is the most clear expression of national hegemony. Get a grip, Rémi.

    • avatar
      Manuel Meier

      Rémi Martin Thank you for your point of view but there is a different between dictatorship and federation. From ’33 Unitl ’45, Germany was a Dictatorship. Since them it is a federation and it works well more than 70 years. Maybe it doesn’t work always perfect, but much better as in a lot of another countries at the moment.

    • avatar
      Rémi Martin

      You’ll tell me that the day you’ll send Uncle Sam back home. For the moment, Germany is a occupied country since over 72 years!

    • avatar
      Rémi Martin

      Federation, maybe, but you don’t unite several peoples with a flag, a common currency and laws they didn’t vote for! Give me just a common point between all the EU’s members who can federate them? Little euronazi!

    • avatar
      Michael Holz

      Your ability to connect mostly unrelated things, form a straw man out of it, and blame the current European institutions for your constructed failure is of epic proportion.

    • avatar
      José Bessa da Silva

      Bravo. Um português lucido. Parabéns meu caro. Fico feliz que haja cada vez mais portugueses a enterder que o erro começou em 1993 com o Tratado de Maastricht.

    • avatar
      Rémi Martin

      This old dream of the Brits, rule the world…

    • avatar
      Michael Holz

      Right. Because federalism is the most clear expression of national hegemony. Get a grip, Rémi.

    • avatar
      Rémi Martin

      It depends from the history the country… That’s maybe why the citizens of the oldest republique(San Marino) didn’t want to join EU!

    • avatar
      Rémi Martin

      And with a history over 1500 years, France doesn’t need a federation to exist, for sure!

    • avatar
      Rémi Martin

      Federate on what? Give me a common point between all the members of EU for example? This construction is just racist, like the dream of a guy called Adolf in the 40’s in Germany.

  114. avatar
    John AV

    Una Europa plural, con sitio para Cataluña, con sitio para uno de los parlamentos más antiguos del mundo

  115. avatar
    Zap Van Der Berg

    Being a member of the Eurozone… My god the more i think about it and the more i get angry at the catalans… And not even them cause they dont know what they are doing most of them but Puidgemont should really burn in hell…. Sneaky evil bastard…. The mans probably convinced hes doing the ok thing too…. Picard facepalm meme

  116. avatar
    George Dumitru

    Federation because a country with only 40 millions people can’t compete with USA or China

    • avatar
      Rémi Martin

      Federate on what? Give me a common point between all the members of EU for example? This construction is just racist, like the dream of a guy called Adolf in the 40’s in Germany.

    • avatar
      Michael Holz

      If you think the EU is dictatorial, you have probably never experienced true dictatorship.

    • avatar
      Rémi Martin

      Militaries, guns and tanks have just been replaced by the politically correct, nothing else! France said NO to EU in 2005, what is about this vote? What’s my country doing in EU???

    • avatar
      Tony Muñiz

      Michael Holz actually yes. And we had more freedom with a dictator than we have today in the EU. Go figure. Besides, you don’t need to have lived under a dictator to know that EU is a dictatorship, who’s commissioner say their mandate is not towards EU citizens.

  117. avatar
    Alex Tselentis

    How was Europe before the EU ?? 3000 YEARS of Europe as individual nations, thats how it should be .. Not some Bankers slave camp

    • avatar
      Michael Holz

      You mean 3000 years of constant war, death and territorial dispute? Is that really what it should be?

    • avatar
      Rémi Martin

      Europeans countries make wars outthere from Europe, it isn’t better, so speaking from peace makes me laugh!

    • avatar
      Rémi Martin

      EU is 4th Reich, nothing else, the form changed this time, but the idea is the same!

    • avatar
      Michael Holz

      Funny. Dependent on who you ask, the EU is either fascist, communist, or a bunch of neoliberal bankers. What is it now? Neoliberal Nazisoviets? Amazing, you can not figure it out.

    • avatar
      Alex Tselentis

      Michael Holz why should it be laballed moron ?? Why not run by EUROPEANS minus the silly labels ?? Keep living in your little box of “sides”

    • avatar
      Alex Tselentis

      Michael Holz as for the wars, you want to tell us about the WAR the EU started in Ukraine with its illegal coup ?? Bunch of peace loving angels run Brussels ;)

    • avatar
      Rémi Martin

      Michael, yeah, yeah, funny, as German, you haven’t certainly never heard from Walter Hallstein, the first president of the Kommission, have you? His dark past… Curiously, euronazi from your species, never speak from him. And yes, history never repeats itself, it only sutters!

  118. avatar
    Coralee De Fréine

    Return to the original EEC principles and policies. We signed up to a trading and cooperation community of sovereign nation states NOT an empire building wannabe superstate.

    • avatar
      Rémi Martin

      Du pain et des jeux, c’est tout ce que le peuple réclame, non?

  119. avatar
    Val Anderson

    it would look and be normal, a life where people would have their countries back, their lives back and be out from under a dictatorship, back to Soverign, National Nations, the way it should be

  120. avatar
    Georg Blaha

    Some like the idea of nation states. Why? Nations unified smaller territories divided by customs, difficult trade regulations, restrictions to individual movement etc. Nations like France paid whole German villages to move to French territory in order to strengthen their economy. So, what exactly is the great idea of the nation state? Especially in times when nations such as the USA, Russia, China, India, Brazil boast as many or many more people, high economic potential, strong political purpose and increasing military power. The nation state is as much of an answer to today’s political challenges as moving back in with your parents is for a grown-up. The best alternative to a EU-membership is a European identity based on cooperation and participation coming from a stronger European parliament representing the needs and hopes of all people in Europe.

    • avatar
      Ivan Burrows

      What is the EU if not a new ‘antidemocratic’ Nation State ?

    • avatar
      Michael Holz

      EU is not a nation state. It is a weird form of something like a confederacy between nations that are loosely bound by mutual contracts in certain areas. If it were a nation based on a constitution, ratified by its people, we would not have all these problems.

    • avatar
      Dee O'brien

      Michael Holz the EU is the main destabilising factor in Europe today,I don’t know how you think more EU would be a good thing

    • avatar
      Mitsos Daniel

      Dee O’brien He is merely addressing the fact that the current EU is loosely bound by mutual contracts. There are a lot of grey areas that can only be tied together by becoming a nation based on a constitution. And the latter has my full support.

  121. avatar
    Antoine Che

    A confederation of democratic regions, like a big Switzerland but more democratic… No representative system on local and regional level… possibility of referendums initiated by the people on the confederation level…

  122. avatar
    Andrea Scacchi

    A confederation of free states with a shared agenda of common interest.
    No a banker’s union with an unelected gov. And a parlament which is a joke

  123. avatar
    Nacho

    Reforming EU and making a clear difference between which are EU Competences and which are EU Member States competences…
    Member States should only be forced to accept responsabilities they committed to follow, the rest of issues should only depend on each Member State as Sovereign States.
    EU shouldn’t decide how many immigrants/refugees one country has to accept, and one EU country shouldn’t tell another EU country how should it judge one person according to its own internal laws…
    It is proven that eurosceptism grows every time sovereignty is stollen to EU countries… EU is a Union of sovereign countries, and those sovereign countries are not going to give up on their sovereignty.

    • avatar
      Michael

      You are proposing a European Federation. I agree. But we must in all honesty say that the common EU competence is per definition not a member state competence anymore. That means, like in every federation, the constituent states hand over part of their sovereignty to the federal structure. So you are contradicting yourself a bit here, I think.

    • avatar
      Ivan

      Michael Who exactly wants a federalist EU ?

    • avatar
      Nacho

      Michael No, I’m not… I just want to have a EU based on cooperation and mutual trust between EU Members, not based on an impossible integration, where 27 different countries with different cultures, languages and systems lost their sovereignty and try to create a fake super country… It’s just the opposite. EU Competences should be agreed and respected by EU countries, but the rest of competences should only depend on each country…
      I think Federalization is the worst idea EU could propose…

    • avatar
      Michał

      Nacho, what you’re saying is what we have now… every EU country agreed to some competences being transferred to the EU, while they retain the rest of it (like, independent international relations). The main problm is that some countries don’t want to respect the rules they have committed to follow…

    • avatar
      Ivan

      Why ?

    • avatar
      Ckrd

      Norway should thank God it’s in NATO ! Otherwise they would have had to deal with huge problems in the northern area.

    • avatar
      Oliver

      Yeah we are talking about the EU not nato

  124. avatar
    Andreas

    As it is now European Union being a member without a common European political union it’s like a parody…

    • avatar
      Ivan

      People were told it was ‘just’ a trade area and so reject the political union. The EU is a lie, not a parody.

  125. avatar
    Paul

    Come back and ask again in a few years time.

  126. avatar
    Yordan Vasilev

    We have two alternatives: immediate comptetion and war between European countries or United European states.

  127. avatar
    Michał

    If there was no EU, someone would have created at some point another form of cooperation between the states, which would eventually lead to a federation. No matter when it is created and how it will be called, and after how many wars will it start existing, people at some point have to start noticing that they have more in common that there are differences between them…

    • avatar
      Bernard

      That hasn’t happened in other parts of the world. The EU probably wouldn’t come into existence today if it wasn’t already a historical reality. It was born in the unique circumstances following two world wars in a single generation and during the early years of a dangerous cold war.

    • avatar
      Stephen

      That maybe true in certain cases but most of us in the UK have very little in common with Europeans other than just friendship.

  128. avatar
    Edita

    I don’t feel imprisoned. On the contrary, upon arrival to any EU country from any third country I already feel half at home. The union isn’t perfect but nothing ever is.

  129. avatar
    Ivan

    Edita You can travel to nearly any country in the world and feel at home, what as that got to do with the EU ?

  130. avatar
    Mathias

    There are no good alternatives

  131. avatar
    Paulo

    In my opinion the federalisation of Europe would te-establish the independence feeling of the member states and balance the huge budget discrepancies between them.

  132. avatar
    Bernard

    Free trade, combined with close cooperation on issues where it’s truly needed.

  133. avatar
    Daniel

    None. What we need is a real federation with fiscal and redistributive powers

  134. avatar
    Michael

    Ask the British parliament. They know. They have more answers than MPs, but they know. ;)

  135. avatar
    Stefania

    Putting the market above everything was wrong. Above all must be the dignity of man and the work he performs for society in a healthy environment. It is obvious that the whole society system must be reconsidered. What is happiness? For me is the family, the house, the community, the story of who we are and learn from it. The healthy nature around me. We return to be happy, as we were before all this plot of the global market and its rules antiumane
    Pushing workers to move country to country and remove it from the context in which it belongs is bad. We must realize that everyone’s life has a value. That you work to live don’t live to work.

  136. avatar
    GC

    There’s no better alternative. As simple as that

  137. avatar
    Róbert

    The EEC membership. Treaty of Rome 1957.

  138. avatar
    Michail

    Would be sth – basically the same,but without Brussels bureaucrats.

    • avatar
      Matt

      Michail – who would be hansling paper work? Random people? Easier said than done. They’re there for a reason. The problem is not bureaucrats but their competence.

  139. avatar
    Jude

    A loose federation of states…like the Russians do with their former republics. …but purely democratic and respectful of the will of the citizens.

  140. avatar
    Julia

    The UK wants to protect their huge tax haven network in their overseas territories and their financial sector. They don’t care about standards for trade as long as it is taxed and profitable. They certainly don’t care about their citizens rights or well being. So for these goals they are not compatible with the EU. I am not saying the EU is perfect but it is definately better. A more social EU would be even better for EU citizens.

  141. avatar
    Charles

    The more United we are, the stronger we become. Being a federal state is the way to go.

    • avatar
      Bódis

      Wrong. Centralized control never really works: it damages economic progress and reduces freedom.
      And you have no right to take away self-determination and sovereignty from those who prefer to control their own affairs.
      If you do, you just build a tyranny.

    • avatar
      Charles

      Bódis – America with all its states (different countries) have their own systems and laws. But they are federal states. That is what makes them United and strong all together. And if the EU wants to survive, that is the only way to go especially that the world is just 1 large village. Better TOGETHER is the way mate.

    • avatar
      Bódis

      Charles – America is one country and one nation of people who all chose to live there.
      The EU has 28 nations and about 50 ethnic groups.
      Our ethnic diversity is a source of growth and progress, only we need to learn to appreciate it and use it to our advantage.
      Forced uniformity is fascistic.
      The centralization of power is fascistic.
      Oppressing your own federalist views on everyone is tyrannical.
      Why do you want to be stronger than the US? What’s this fixation on power? (Another fascistic thing.)
      Why not just have better, happier lives?

    • avatar
      Sofia

      Now she’s just trolling. Nobody who says the US is ‘one nation of people who all chose to live there’ (and implies there is no ethnic diversity there) wants to be taken seriously.

    • avatar
      Charles

      Bódis, it is clear that you have an agenda built on hate and division just like Brexit. You are wrong… go read some American History (the little they have) and read what the federal flag stands for. It is what united North America from scattered borders/countries to one and became the USA. God willing, the same will happen in my much beloved Europe and become the USE.

    • avatar
      Helena

      Bódis, unity and uniformity are different concepts

    • avatar
      Bódis

      Sofia, Re-read!
      The people who went to live in the US all chose to be Americans, they might have other, second ethnic identities too, but the primary identity is American.
      But there’s no European identity. There are attempts to create one through brainwashing and propaganda, but a “European identity” is not part of any of the cultures in Europe.
      Live with it!
      You have no right to oppress centralized control over such a diverse region.
      The prosperity and peace of Europe was created by the nation states cooperating with each other. Fact. When you want to throw that out in order to have more centralized control, you will just end up with more exits.
      This power-hungry mentality is absolutely damaging to the EU.

    • avatar
      Raphael

      Charles, your suggestion wouldn´t work because the European states are nation states. The only solution is a federal European republic of autochthonous regions, beyond the nation states.

    • avatar
      Charles

      Bódis, the identity is in our culture. America has NO culture what so ever. Europe is different. We are Europeans. Rich in culture. Always have been.

    • avatar
      Bódis

      Charles, Such a supremacist view. Of course America has a culture, only you don’t know it. And there is no common European culture. There’s a European civilization, which is basically the Judeo-Christian civilization, and there are the various ethnic cultures. But “European culture” is just a fairly recent artificial construct that has no organic, integral foundation.

    • avatar
      Kánai

      like the Sovietunion? Warshaw Pact?

    • avatar
      Charles

      Kánai, unity… love… peace. No hate please. That is the key to success. No problem you calling me an idiot. Its ok :) I know where to place such people who use such adjectives. You have no idea… how can you compare the USSR with the European Union? Nothing fits and they are not comparable.

    • avatar
      Bódis

      You want centralized power using force or brainwashing with propaganda. That’s very much like the USSR.

    • avatar
      Charles

      Bódis, But the EU is not what the USSR is. Why compare with the USSR and not the USA? You are not being fair. To compare the EU with the USSR clearly shows the lack of information that you have about what the EU stands for. The EU kept peace after wwII. The EU stopped the many little wars during the times of kings and queens… the EU gave me freedom, the gift of travel and to study in other EU states through ERASMUS. The USSR did not wven have schools apart from military ones. What are you saying? Yes power should be centralized (just like it already almost is) similair to the USA because only united together we can be stronger. We want love and peace not wars. Thanks to the EU we have lived in peave since wwII. And that is what we want. Not wars.

    • avatar
      Charles

      Bódis, it is also clear that you have never gone through history. Did you know that people living under the communist regime of the USSR wanted to escape & live in the European Union? That is one fact. The problem with society these days is that we are ungrateful for what we have. We do not appreciate. Especially stability. Lets go back to wars sort of like Europe was before wwII. The EU is the total opposite of what the USSR was. Go to school and teach yourself about what the USSR was, then compare. Maybe you will start being grateful what you are Hungarian and that your country is an EU state. A country which is the envy of America because America wants to be the sole super power of the planet. Thanks to the EU and our Euro we have taken that away from the USA. Look at Iran, they trade in Euro. Everywhere I travel people ask for Euro not dollars. We are becoming a world power and instead of embracing it sadly there is a people such as yourself who exist who bash THEIR OWN BEING!!! How sad. How truly sad. Good day. Take my advice. Go back to school and teach yourself some history about the USSR and also WHY EXUSSR states joined the European Union. The Union we should all treasure because of the benefits and freedoms it has given us since wwII. Go and study maybe you will start appreciating. And stop seeing till the tip of your nose.

  142. avatar
    Michael

    Apply to be a colony of the United States. 😜

  143. avatar
    Joris

    A model with western European countries with much more integration…

    • avatar
      Andy

      Николай – you mean like Russia has forced on some former Soviet states? You can always join but never leave… (each state has a veto over another member leaving de facto giving Russia control as the largest member)
      Delete, hide or report this

  144. avatar
    Leopold

    Independent national states with bilateral cooperations.

  145. avatar
    Luigi

    Float country off to China, Russia or USA.

  146. avatar
    Helena

    A different paradigm to substitute the power money has

  147. avatar
    Liz

    Same educational system, same health system, same laws, good infrastructure.

  148. avatar
    Jude

    Life would be more democratic and countries more sovereign and respected. …Ask this question to Iceland , Norway,Switzerland. …The E.U. as it is today is too autocratic, undemocratic and technocratic with too much Soviet style impositions than co operations abandoning the fact that each member state must be sovereign and not vassal to some more powerful countries.

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