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Are relations between Russia and the West finally starting to thaw? U.S. Secretary of State John Kerry visited Moscow on 12 May for more than eight hours of talks with President Vladimir Putin and Foreign Minister Sergei Lavrov. Nothing concrete was agreed, but this was the Secretary of State’s first visit to Russia in two years.

Ever since the annexation of Crimea in March 2014, tensions have been at their highest point since the end of the Cold War. Despite economic sanctions and falling oil prices, Russia has been investing heavily in modernising its armed forces, and used a recent WWII victory parade in Moscow to show off its new Armata tank design, due to enter service in 2020.

NATO countries have also been responding to the new security landscape, and Secretary General Jens Stoltenberg recently announced that the NATO Response Force will more than double to up to 30,000 troops, with a spearhead force (the “Very High Readiness Joint Task Force”) of 5,000 troops able to deploy globally within 72 hours.

Our partner think-tank, Friends of Europe, recently held a Policy Insight event on the NATO Response Force (NRF). In attendance were the U.S. Ambassador to NATO, Douglas E. Lute, and the Dutch Ambassador to NATO, Marjanne De Kwaasteniet. Debating Europe caught up with both to ask them to respond to some questions from our readers.

Curious to know more about the enhanced NATO Response Force (NRF)? We’ve put together some facts and figures about the newly beefed-up NRF and its spearhead force in the infographic below (click for a bigger version).

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We had a comment from James who was concerned that tensions with Russia shouldn’t be allowed to simmer indefinitely. He argued that NATO should keep providing plenty of “off ramps” for Russia, and should push for a dialogue and keep the path open to a return to normalized relations.

The NATO Response Force is a sore-spot with the Kremlin, particularly as many Command & Control and Reception facilities for the spearhead rapid reaction force are being established in Eastern European countries neighbouring Russia. However, if we were to see a return to normalized relations between NATO Member States and Russia, could the Rapid Reaction Force potentially be scaled back?

We asked Douglas Lute, U.S. Ambassador to NATO, to respond:

To get a response from a European member of the Alliance, we also asked Marjanne De Kwaasteniet, the Dutch Ambassador to NATO. She echoed Ambassador Lute’s comments, leaving the door open for a potential de-escalation of the NATO force in Eastern Europe:

Should NATO’s Response Force be scaled back to appease Russia? Let us know your thoughts and comments in the form below, and we’ll take them to policymakers and experts for their reactions!

IMAGE CREDITS: CC / Flickr – Dmitriy Fomin


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What do YOU think?

    • avatar
      zeebra

      ofcourse. all other nations other than us should suffer misery. lest they do our wrath in war..

      sark.

    • avatar
      Jeremy

      @zeebra I’d be curious to hear your rational behind why appeasement for a nation that has disregarded the sovereignty of Ukraine and international law would be a good idea.

    • avatar
      Duncan

      Scaling down for appeasement . . . . . Why even bother attempting to be able to prevent invasion if appeasement is the way you want to go? Surely it would appease any potential (I am stressing potential here) enemy to just disarm completely? That way when they want something they need only threaten military action. I’m sure that would appease them very much!

  1. avatar
    Jason Picci

    Let us hope that NATO warlords get their thermonuclear war and destroy Europe and its civilisation as we know it. Let us pray that one day Putin actually falls for NATO provocation so that you lot won’t be scrawling on Facebook anymore, that’s for sure.

    • avatar
      Duncan

      @Jason, say something useful or shut up.

  2. avatar
    Iegor Bielikov

    and ground arms? in no case. policy of appeasing the aggressor is a fail. do you remember 1938-1939?

  3. avatar
    Nikolas Kalaitzidis

    response to what exactly?? .. to medieval maneuvres? ok lets invest in such social cohesion feasts as our eastern partners do.

    • avatar
      Duncan

      The idea is response to something you’re not aware of. If you’ve ever played a game of Chess you’ll know it’s the moves that weren’t anticipated/prepared for that cause you to lose. Strategic planning is much like that.

  4. avatar
    JP Faure

    This whole “alpha male” thing just sucks. What about all decision-makers dealing with REAL priorities? E.g. GLOBAL terrorism, GLOBAL speculation bubbles, GLOBAL rogue banks, GLOBAL immigration, GLOBAL recession, GLOBAL societal issues, GLOBAL climate change? etc.

    • avatar
      Duncan

      I think they are doing that. According to news reports world leaders at meeting with each other on a fairly regular basis and discussing that stuff. As for “alpha male” I think you’re way off the mark. This is about defence capability, mothers and fathers will both fight to protect their young, gender has 0 to do with it. This is more of a case of scaled up threat met with scaled up threat reaction. It’s pragmatism (at least on NATO’s part) not a challenge for dominance.

    • avatar
      shleekin

      I don’t agree with military intervention in Eastern Europe but I by no means think “leaving the Russians alone” is a good idea. After all they’re the one’s who invaded Ukraine. It’s not just Russians we’re discussing.

    • avatar
      Duncan

      Talk to the Russians by all means! Trade with them even. But don’t ignore defence needs for the sake of being worried about upsetting somebody. Especially when that someone is very clearly not ignoring military capability.

    • avatar
      zeebra

      NATO is nothing but a means for the US to enslave Europe and ensure we cannot protect ourselves.

      On the other side the US and NATO is the greatest security threat to Europe in that our leader nation is responsible for the creation of ISIS, civil wars in the middle east and now putting us at odds with Russia and possibly China, maybe even the whole world.

    • avatar
      Borat

      That’s ridiculous Zeebra.

      NATO has been immensely important in preventing European wide wars post WW2. Also, NATO is structurally beneficial as it allows members to still remain autonomous (they just can’t invade one another). For example, if the US wants to invade another country, it’s up-to each individual nations parliament to still decide whether it should join or not. There are no actual mechanisms that force all to participate against their wishes (such as what a hypothetical EU army might have). An EU army would either be extremely ineffective (as in it’ll be nearly impossible for each member to agree to a general foreign policy, or it will take a long time), or it’ll be extremely undemocratic (as in Brussels will decide and have the final say on all foreign policy). So in that regard, that members are forced into offensive campaigns against their wishes, the very nature of NATO is more defensive than offensive.

      So the 3 options are either have an EU army, have a NATO army, or have neither and return to the old way of each nation having their own military not in any large scale military bloc with one another. Out of those 3 options NATO does have strong advantages.

      Honestly, I’m not from the US (never been there in my life) but it’s still funny to see Europeans bad mouth the US. If it wasn’t for the US Europe would be in more of a crap hole than it already is. Half of Germany would probably still belong to Russia. Chances are further wars would have broken out / could have broken out.

    • avatar
      Duncan

      @Zeebra, given the US presidents critcism of European NATO members not paying enough for their military to even meet the NATO minimum requirement I’d say you are 100% wrong. Europe’s leaders are leaning on US military backing too much by choice and the USA want that to stop.
      @Borat, well made points, but the EU army debate is elsewhere.

  5. avatar
    Makeze Roberts

    Its not the military presence that is threatening to “the Russians”, it is the political advance to take away their influence in that region.

    Every Dictator falls and every Dictator tends to get edgy and irrational when he feels it coming. Its not Russia we need defending against, it Vladimir Putin and his cronies.

    • avatar
      Duncan

      Fear isn’t quite the right word I don’t think. Concern maybe more accurate. It’s concerning for a bordering nation to be massing forces on your doorstep.

  6. avatar
    George Titkov

    I see very little rational thinking here, unfortunately the media brainwashing is doing a fine job. Do you really think that 20 000 or 30 000 troops make any difference? What exactly will they achieve? Isn’t it better to start recognizing and respecting each other’s interests, instead of trying to push around Russia and then point fingers when they defend their interests, like all normal countries do?

    • avatar
      Gregory

      Right, George!

    • avatar
      Duncan

      Diplomacy 1st obviously. But kow-towing is a definite never. Russia’s pushed troops close to their borders, why should NATO not respond in kind?

  7. avatar
    Ferenc Lázár

    The warlords of USA are far more dangerous than Putin, because they are hidden leaders, moving politics from behind..

    • avatar
      Duncan

      Any proof, or is this just a conspiracy theory? Also, doesn’t actually answer the question.

  8. avatar
    Christos Mouzeviris

    Both sides need to cool down and leave the post Cold War mentality behind… Europe is at fault for sticking too close for too long to USA, and suffering from Russophobia and engaging in Russia bashing all this time as result. Russia is at fault for moving backwards to their “past glory days” of Imperial Russia or Communist expansion and domination to their block and for stupidly wanting to revive this.. The best solution would be, for Russia and Europe to become close partners. We share common borders, we have close historic, cultural and above all trade ties, why behave as if we are suffering from schizophrenia and do anything we can to be hostile to each other? And for what? We need Russia either we like it or not as much as they need us…. So sit down, do the talk and put things right, just Europe and Russia, not America.. This is between us!

    • avatar
      Duncan

      Steps along this path were well under way before Putin became premiere. And even with Putin, there is still international cooperation between the west and Russia. Both sides should keep their cool, tensions need to be lowered, but danegeld didn’t work, appeasing Hitler didn’t work, appeasement is viewed as weakness, weakness can be exploited I somebody has a mind to do so, care to bet your life and the lives of all your loved ones that Putin doesn’t think that way?

  9. avatar
    Pirvulescu Florin

    NATO should strengthen itself, and when I say strengthen itself I mean you, European NATO.

    EU should federalise already and create a federal armed force.

    • avatar
      Borat

      A federal EU army would suck. Let Brussels send in the Italians and Greeks to get killed in French wars in Africa etc. How will they even decide foreign policies? Either it’ll be a very very slow process (i.e. ineffective) or undemocratic (as in policies end up being forced / rushed or largely decided by Brussels).

    • avatar
      Borat

      There is a reason why Russia is pushing so loudly for an EU army. Read any Russian government funded paper and you can hear the non-stop rhetoric. They want NATO to end, because they know an EU army would suck and be completely ineffective in comparison.

    • avatar
      Stephen Pockley

      Not a chance ,I’m a British solid and would never fight in an EU army.I only fight for my queen &Country and so does the rest of the Brits.EU army made me laugh though

    • avatar
      Duncan

      EU army discussion already exists. Put your opinions across in the right place.

  10. avatar
    Ivan Vikalo

    empirically it would work: biggest observation was the Cold War period, so scaling back is always a good idea.

    • avatar
      Duncan

      Scaling back ON BOTH SIDES would work and is a good idea. Scaling back of one side is tantamount to a declaration of unconditional surrender.

  11. avatar
    Nick Knight

    Haha, are you joking. The exact opposite. I am amazed Europe’s pathetic appeasement to this thug. Putin predicted it, and he was right.

  12. avatar
    Nick Knight

    America deserves to lead. Europe is a pathetic joke. Putin has annexed a European country, and these pathetic people are ready to forget. Everyone with a backbone died in WWII

    • avatar
      Adrian

      Are you kidding me?
      Ptin invades Ukraine, he disregards our opinion and WE should ‘scale back’ to …appease Russia.
      APPEASE Russia!?
      Excuse me ?

      Peace in our times anyone ?
      Are we stupid?
      The oposite should be done.
      The full might of NATO should be concentrated so heavily in Moldova, Romania, Poland and Bulgaria that Putin would shudder even when uttering the word “NATO”.

      What is wrong with you?
      What is wrong with everyone in the west?
      Have you no SPINE !? Did all the bravery die in WW2 and now the COWARDS survived?

    • avatar
      Duncan

      @Nick&Adrian, just remember we didn’t want to fight in ww2, we felt we were left with no other alternative, the same is true (for Britain) of the first world war. No doubt IF it becomes apparent that diplomacy is to no avail, we will go to war again. Thankfully we are not there yet and we need not get there. But please note the difference between not wanting the death toll that would happen if this was to end in war, and being too cowardly to fight if we must. It’s a huge difference. As is the difference between being sensible enough to be prepared for an attack against your land/allies and war mongering . . . . . . . These things should be obvious to everyone!

  13. avatar
    Serge Lauer

    Agree with Nick Knight , Pirvulescu Florin and most here !
    The EU needs a single or federal army and more common military assets to help for its own defense and maybe to help the Nato more effectively ! Putin is not hesitating and shows their strongness and in worst case don’t hesitate to response ! The European Union should not hesitate too ! Where is the WILL ? Or is it always americans who has to intervene ? Time for the European Union to grow up !

    • avatar
      Stephen Pockley

      Time to defend your own countries .stop looking at rest of Europe and fight for yourselves cowards.There won’t be an EU soon to have an army to form.

  14. avatar
    Ivan Burrows

    .

    Maybe if the power mad federalists in Brussels stopped interfering in the internal political systems of sovereign states on Russia’s border it would not escalate.

    • avatar
      Adrian

      UKRAINE is not RUSSIA.
      Russia doesn’t GET to dictate what its neighbors should do !

      Your lack of moral fiber is astonishing.

    • avatar
      Duncan

      I disagree, with the both of you. Their is evidence that the EU interfered in the Ukraine regime change, so it’s hypocritical to say Russia cannot interfere if the EU did. I also think the Russian response completely unjustifiable, and also unwarranted.

  15. avatar
    Eva Benko Zoltan

    Peace should be made and borders should remain where they are, No more blodshade for desputing borders. We have enough hunger within the borders. The greed of the oligarqui to get more teritories should be stopped and concentrate in recovering from the crises with Keynesian methods, that pooved to be right.

  16. avatar
    Charalambo Perikleous

    Evviva la Russia…NATO and the US: you have not seen how many wars claim? how many countries are destabilized? Shame fascistonazisti and warmongers

  17. avatar
    John Sudar

    would ‘scaling back’ be motivated only by appeasement? might not prudence, judgement, and fiscal responsiblitiy also be motivating factors?

    • avatar
      Duncan

      True, NATO is the North Atlantic Treaty Organisation. It incorporates nations from both the east and west coast of the north Atlantic (including many European nations not directly in contact with the north Atlantic. I.e. Italy). Canada and the USA (and Turkey) are all member states and not European geographically speaking.
      But what has this got to do with the question?

    • avatar
      Adrian

      Oh please, grow up you spineless coward.
      The enemy is “USA” ? who is across the ocean?
      Who isn’t invading Europe?
      Who helped Europe with the Marshall Plan while Russia dragged the eastern part into the abyss !?

  18. avatar
    Alex Tselentis

    NATO needs to stop its childish provocations and war mongering, no one is interested in war in Europe peroid.

  19. avatar
    Daniele Scaramelli

    Well, if Russia gives back Crimea to Ukraine and withdraws from Eastern Ukraine, stops financing the crooks, gangsters and bandits in Eastern Ukraine, some progress can be made.

    • avatar
      Adrian

      Then…maybe.
      But without returning Crimea there will be NO warming of relations.
      Sanctions must be ramped UP not down.

      What?
      Putin’s poodle is being sanctioned? What is this?
      Where’s the REAL embargo !?

    • avatar
      Adrian

      Forever in the dumpster

  20. avatar
    Natasha Pikoul

    You mean instead of holding a referendum and opting out of Ukraine, Crimeans should have allowed Ukrainian neo nazi batallions in conjunction with the official Kiev army come and bomb them, like they did in Eastern Ukraine ? Or to welcome being burned alive inside the buildings, like they were in Odessa ? It’s ethnic cleansing we are talking about here, don’t kid yourself. This is why Eastern Ukrainians are fighting – no one wants to be exterminated as a race.

    • avatar
      Duncan

      I agree, but it doesn’t alter the fact that Russia as with the USA before them took it upon themselves to take illegal military action against a foreign sovereignty. This is exactly the type of behaviour that undermines the UN. Nations that wish to be seen as world leaders should be pushing for a stronger UN, not weakening it by subverting it constantly. Also, make no mistake. Russia’s motives were almost certainly not humanitarian in nature.

    • avatar
      Duncan

      Not sure where you get this idea from. Are you privy to information about a plan to invade Russia? Fairly certain that NATO’ force of 35000 is enough to halt/slow an attack long enough for larger defence efforts to be mobilised (assuming nukes are kept out of it). But only the most moronic commander would think it adequate to put Russia down!

  21. avatar
    Christina Kler

    Back to nothing ! We just celebrated the anniversary of the end of the war , and you are talking about another one ? Are you sick ?

  22. avatar
    Paulo Especial

    NEVER!!!

    We want a FREE Europe! We want the ability to NEVER SURRENDER to any form of pressure from any kind os State/Nation! We must be a bullwark of DEMOCRACY and FREEDOM OF SPEECH/RIGHTS!

    • avatar
      George Yiannitsiotis

      The “Free Europe” we dream was executed in May,2010 when the EU/IMF/ECB bureaucrats imposed the 1st memorandum on Greece. Then, a series of basic Human Rights have been violated in Greece (including the right to private property, to free collective labour agreements etc.); by the end of 2011, a “coup-d’etat” took place overturning the elected government and replacing it with a bank-bureaucrat. Besides, referendum on the 2nd Memorandum was VERBOTTEN!

      Now, it seems odd to talk about freedom and human rights in order to support a militarist expansion of NATO to the east on such a basis whilst violating them inside Europe!

  23. avatar
    Ed Cocks

    It should be tripled AND NATO should establish a larger, standing Fleet presence after inviting Georgia and Ukraine to join.

  24. avatar
    Costin Halaicu

    I think it’s about time we stop appeasing Russia. The funny thing about the schoolyard bully is that when you finally stand up to him, he turns out to be nothing but a coward.

  25. avatar
    Eduardo Branco

    No! Let Ukraine be divided, there is no other way. Russian speaking peoples in Ukraine have the right to chose not to be a part of that “new Ukraine” and that is the real question. So, the West should go to war with Russia because a part of Ukraine, that was originally part of Russia (given by Russia to Ukraine in the XX century, in the context of the USSR) does not want to continue to be a part of the country after the ukrainian revolution? Are you out of your minds?!!

  26. avatar
    Vinko Rajic

    Those NATO and Russian forces in the East Europe are just silly . We should not have conflict with Russia . I don’t understand that Putin is trying to become “BIG” .

    • avatar
      Adrian

      Oh yeah..”Peace in our times”…remember that one?

  27. avatar
    Gomes João

    When did appeasement worked? WW2 shows you what appeasement can do… NATO must push forward and help Ukraine reclaim Donbass and Crimea!

  28. avatar
    ironworker

    Should NATO’s Response Force be scaled back to appease Russia?

    Huh ? Yeah, like nothing happened… I don’t think so.

  29. avatar
    Tarquin Farquhar

    Appeasement = Neville Chamberlain = DISASTER!

    • avatar
      Adrian Limbidis

      I can’t believe i agree with you for once.
      You may hate the EU but at least you still have a spine.

    • avatar
      Duncan

      Why is it everyone else seems to only be able to recall poor old Chamberlain as an example of an appear? There are plenty more to pick from! By the way none of them really panned out.

  30. avatar
    Zeebra

    NATO is an aggressive global war allianse led by a fascist power (US) who wants to dictate terms and policies for all other countries in the world.

    The US is the biggest threat in Europa by far. Not only did US, mistakes in the middle east create IS, but with US/Europes attempt at taking over Ukraine economically and politically they have also managed to put us at odds with Russia and possibly China, eventually perhaps the whole world.

    IS is the biggest terrorist organisation ever seen, and it spans multiple countries and lead to almost as much death and misery as the US does in the middle east. This organisation and situation would never have been so if not for US wars in Iraq, US support for terrorists and violent uprising in Syria, and the US instigated overthrow of the government of Libya. The result?

    4 failed states.
    More than a million dead.
    Tens of millions injured and affected by family death.
    Tens of millions driven to flee their homes, of which many is now headed to Europe as asylum seekers.

    I cant believe that anyone with a human brain and any good in them can support such a horrible regime as the US regime.

    Now they want to surveillance everyone? Torture? Secret prisons? State sanctioned “justice” by assasination and execution in other countries. Sending killer machines (drones) into countries they have not declared war against.

    Just because the US politicians keep washing into your brain that the US is a “democracy” doesnt mean it is a democracy. In fact it is pretty far from being a democracy.

    Unless you believe democracy is all about choosing between plague and cholera.

    • avatar
      Zeebra

      The point being, no wonder Russia is fearing NATO.

    • avatar
      EU reform- proactive

      Not an inch east?

      “Western Gentlemen” & real diplomats became extinct as the EU changed/evolved since the Paris treaty! What a sensible men this Mr. Chomsky is! New generations feel “strong” but are ignorant what it meant to have suffered 60mio casualties in WWII. The losses in a future WWIII could be a minimum 200mio plus. I detest to act “strong” -neither volunteer for madness!

    • avatar
      Adrian Limbidis

      Chomsky is a washed-up old fool that the world left behind long ago.
      His old Cold War appeasement techniques are no longer viable.

      What we need now is a Winston Churchill, not a Chamberlain !

    • avatar
      EU reform- proactive

      @ Adrian Limbidis

      …and you’re certain a resurrected & respected “Winston” would follow your (what did you call it further down?) advice?

    • avatar
      Adrian

      He would at least not be spineless in the face of naked aggression.
      I dunno who you are, you hide behind this “interesting” name – another mouthpiece for Putler perhaps.

      All you did was show up on my comments and either ask me ‘who is we?’ ( repeating the same thing as some sort of “clever” remark, when it is clear who ‘we’ in a European forum IS ).

    • avatar
      EU reform- proactive

      Sorry Adrian, you are way of target, please do not make wild assumptions & do not elevate or see yourself as an elected speaker of a diverse forum or as a radical leader of such Pro EU faction! Too much East European trauma?

    • avatar
      Adrian Limbidis

      The reverse can be said also.Who are *you* to consider yourself an elected speaker for the Anti EU faction!?
      Too much Western Europe pampering and privilege?

  31. avatar
    Antoine Che

    Dissolve NATO and leave the Russians alone !!!

    • avatar
      ironworker

      and invite them in our living rooms.

    • avatar
      EU reform- proactive

      @ Adrian Limbidis

      ……………& who are the “we”? Please enlighten us!

    • avatar
      Adrian

      Whole of SANE Europe.
      IN fact , whole of Europe. You people writing against this are most likely russian trolls or useful idiots for Putler’s propaganda.
      Which is so blatantly obvious it is mind bending how anyone can fall for it.

    • avatar
      EU reform- proactive

      ……because of all the ‘sanity’ i hear Robert Schuman & Co turning in their graves!

    • avatar
      Adrian Limbidis

      Robert Schuman wanted an united Europe not this COWARDLY spineless mess we got now!
      With you among them!

    • avatar
      catherine benning

      @ Adrian Limbidis:

      You appear to have a yen for extinction in your pro nuclear weapon spout.

      However, you are in step with the present UK leadership. They now throwing out the ‘lets reintroduce conscription’ line that Israel, and I believe Greece, already keep in place. Hasn’t done the Greeks much good has it? They are impoverished today even with those trained soldiers among them. And Israel has decided to use their young as fodder for Palestinian genocide, whilst the world looks on in silence.

      And who gave the nuclear States you mention the ‘go ahead’ for those arms? Israel is said to have hundreds of these weapons just waiting to be dropped, willy nilly, on various continents. They await US approval of course. India wants to use their own on Pakistan, whilst the US already uses various forms of nuclear material dropped on countries it terms ‘evil.’ They, of course, being good guy white hats with Duke Wayne at their helm.

      My point being, Polaris has not kept us safe from these maniacal regimes that are ruling our llives. And ruling our lives they are. We continue to trade with them, absorb their propaganda, knowing they are led by men as mad as hatters. And the reason this question of nuclear weapons and NATO is important to me, is, my country is about to pay billions of GB pounds sterling to update our Trident system, which will continue to have no effect on proliferation or the henchmen likely to use what they’ve already got. Therefore, it’s a waste of our money in the extreme. What we have may well be out of date as you put it, but, who is it that has its equal or better?

      And lastly, but most importantly, I don’t want my family and its sons and daughters, or me, to be used as fodder for war by either those unelected in power who rule over us, or, any who may absorb us with or without our permission, as is already taking place.

      And please don’t come back with voting on it, our recent voting patterns have shown how outrageously rigged that method is today. And it is being performed so blatantly it’s laughable. You see, our polliticians import American advisers and agitators, at huge cost, to show us how to do it. Oh, and of course the US money to enable its operation, as the most recent Irish vote showed so dramatically. Incidentally, the press and media announced that ballot outcome two days before the vote or the count. On the day of the count, they openly claimed success for a yes response, before most of the counties declared. Very similar to Scotland and our inexplicable GE result.

    • avatar
      Adrian Limbidis

      “You appear to have a yen for extinction in your pro nuclear weapon spout.”

      Actually i have a “yen” ( i think you meant yearning ) for JUSTICE and FAIRNESS.

      Spare me your US-bashing garbage propaganda, i don’t care about it !
      During WW2 the ‘evil USA’ kept you ungrateful brits afloat and it is now keeping NATO afloat, whether you like it or not !

      I don’t have the time nor patience to read through your insane tirade about nuclear weapons and how Russia is so misunderstood and how evul ‘murika is.
      Spare me please, i hear it all before, ok?

      We’re talking about NATO…and Russia and you go on babbling about Israel and jews and , wtf?
      Are you some kind of Stormfront character? obsessed with American and Israel?

    • avatar
      Duncan

      @Catherine, it’s the sub marines we are upgrading, not the actual weapon systems. Given I.T. Advancements and the very corrosive nature of a salt water environment and the very real danger concerning nuclear power plants that are no longer at their best I’m all in favor of the upgrade programme.
      @Adrian Limbdis, America did not keep us Brits “afloat” in ww2, they just about bankrupted us by exploiting sudden increases in demand by selling us stuff at unfair rates. The Axis powers never made it further than the Channel islands with land troops and there is evidence to support the fact if they’d have gone ahead with operation sealion they’d have suffered a humiliating defeat. That’s assuming some alternative timeline that meant they’d won the battle for air superiority over Britain instead of what did happen. It’s also assuming they hadn’t then suffers from one of Hiter’s big thought process swings and invaded the Soviet Union. Which by the way Britain was GIVING equipment to while America was SELLING it equipment, even after the fact the U.S. Joined the war, Brittish convoys were delivering Brittish gifts of tanks, planes etc. And American exports under lease lend. And then those convoys were sending Russian gold to the UK ready for transfer to America. One is an example of how allies should behave, the other is not. Now tell me why us Britts should be so grateful to America for ww2 exactly?

  32. avatar
    Francesco Nicoli

    obviously NO. the opposite is true. Anything good for Russia is to be avoided

  33. avatar
    Γιάννης Οικονομόπουλος

    Well appeasement didn’t really work the last time

  34. avatar
    Юлиан Начев

    why Russia is not a member of the NATO?… wink emoticon

    • avatar
      Adrian Limbidis

      Because they don’t want to.
      The same reason Putin is doing his “eurasian slave states to Moscow – union” instead of joining the EU.
      Moscow wants POWER for itself.
      The average russian 100km away from Moscow lives in utter poverty and misery while the “great leaders” lavish themselves and send the poor fools to die in Ukraine for…reasons.

  35. avatar
    Jason Picci

    Let us hope that NATO warlords get their thermonuclear war and destroy Europe and its civilisation as we know it. Let us pray that one day Putin actually falls for NATO provocation so that you lot won’t be scrawling on Facebook anymore, that’s for sure.

  36. avatar
    Iegor Bielikov

    and ground arms? in no case. policy of appeasing the aggressor is a fail. do you remember 1938-1939?

  37. avatar
    Nikolas Kalaitzidis

    response to what exactly?? .. to medieval maneuvres? ok lets invest in such social cohesion feasts as our eastern partners do.

  38. avatar
    JP Faure

    This whole “alpha male” thing just sucks. What about all decision-makers dealing with REAL priorities? E.g. GLOBAL terrorism, GLOBAL speculation bubbles, GLOBAL rogue banks, GLOBAL immigration, GLOBAL recession, GLOBAL societal issues, GLOBAL climate change? etc.

  39. avatar
    Anargyros Botsis

    No, unless you want to turn Europe into Nuclear asses.

  40. avatar
    Gian Marco

    Nato should be dissolved as historical paper it played is over

  41. avatar
    Makeze Roberts

    Its not the military presence that is threatening to “the Russians”, it is the political advance to take away their influence in that region.

    Every Dictator falls and every Dictator tends to get edgy and irrational when he feels it coming. Its not Russia we need defending against, it Vladimir Putin and his cronies

  42. avatar
    George Titkov

    I see very little rational thinking here, unfortunately the media brainwashing is doing a fine job. Do you really think that 20 000 or 30 000 troops make any difference? What exactly will they achieve? Isn’t it better to start recognizing and respecting each other’s interests, instead of trying to push around Russia and then point fingers when they defend their interests, like all normal countries do?

  43. avatar
    Ferenc Lázár

    The warlords of USA are far more dangerous than Putin, because they are hidden leaders, moving politics from behind..

  44. avatar
    Christos Mouzeviris

    Both sides need to cool down and leave the post Cold War mentality behind… Europe is at fault for sticking too close for too long to USA, and suffering from Russophobia and engaging in Russia bashing all this time as result. Russia is at fault for moving backwards to their “past glory days” of Imperial Russia or Communist expansion and domination to their block and for stupidly wanting to revive this.. The best solution would be, for Russia and Europe to become close partners. We share common borders, we have close historic, cultural and above all trade ties, why behave as if we are suffering from schizophrenia and do anything we can to be hostile to each other? And for what? We need Russia either we like it or not as much as they need us…. So sit down, do the talk and put things right, just Europe and Russia, not America.. This is between us!

  45. avatar
    Michalis Pouros

    ΝΑΤΟ should be dissolved

  46. avatar
    Pirvulescu Florin

    NATO should strengthen itself, and when I say strengthen itself I mean you, European NATO.

    EU should federalise already and create a federal armed force.

    • avatar
      Adrian Limbidis

      Long overdue, if you ask me.

  47. avatar
    Ivan Vikalo

    empirically it would work: biggest observation was the Cold War period, so scaling back is always a good idea.

  48. avatar
    Nick Knight

    Haha, are you joking. The exact opposite. I am amazed Europe’s pathetic appeasement to this thug. Putin predicted it, and he was right.

  49. avatar
    Nick Knight

    America deserves to lead. Europe is a pathetic joke. Putin has annexed a European country, and these pathetic people are ready to forget. Everyone with a backbone died in WWII

    • avatar
      Adrian Limbidis

      Most of the west is now cowardly trying to sell the east to save their butts and their comfort.
      Just like in 1945!

  50. avatar
    Serge Lauer

    Agree with Nick Knight , Pirvulescu Florin and most here !
    The EU needs a single or federal army and more common military assets to help for its own defense and maybe to help the Nato more effectively ! Putin is not hesitating and shows their strongness and in worst case don’t hesitate to response ! The European Union should not hesitate too ! Where is the WILL ? Or is it always americans who has to intervene ? Time for the European Union to grow up !

  51. avatar
    Ivan Burrows .

    Maybe if the power mad federalists in Brussels stopped interfering in the internal political systems of sovereign states on Russia’s border it would not escalate.

  52. avatar
    Eva Benko Zoltan

    Peace should be made and borders should remain where they are, No more blodshade for desputing borders. We have enough hunger within the borders. The greed of the oligarqui to get more teritories should be stopped and concentrate in recovering from the crises with Keynesian methods, that pooved to be right.

  53. avatar
    Charalambo Perikleous

    Evviva la Russia…NATO and the US: you have not seen how many wars claim? how many countries are destabilized? Shame fascistonazisti and warmongers

  54. avatar
    John Sudar

    would ‘scaling back’ be motivated only by appeasement? might not prudence, judgement, and fiscal responsiblitiy also be motivating factors?

  55. avatar
    Aleksandros Ho Megas

    NATO is not Europe!

  56. avatar
    Talis Briedis

    NO!!! Every act of aggression requires an equal response!!!

  57. avatar
    Alex Tselentis

    NATO needs to stop its childish provocations and war mongering, no one is interested in war in Europe peroid.

    • avatar
      Adrian

      NATO is invading Ukraine?
      NATO annexed by force Crimea?
      NATO bombed Georgia?
      NATO started the war in Transnjester region in 1992 ?

      Where do you get your information? RT ?

  58. avatar
    Daniele Scaramelli

    Scaramelli Well, if Russia gives back Crimea to Ukraine and withdraws from Eastern Ukraine, stops financing the crooks, gangsters and bandits in Eastern Ukraine, some progress can be made.

  59. avatar
    TJ Todorov

    So many hungry warlords, let’s the Third World Awar begin now.

  60. avatar
    Natasha Pikoul

    Natasha Pikoul You mean instead of holding a referendum and opting out of Ukraine, Crimeans should have allowed Ukrainian neo nazi batallions in conjunction with the official Kiev army come and bomb them, like they did in Eastern Ukraine ? Or to welcome being burned alive inside the buildings, like they were in Odessa ? It’s ethnic cleansing we are talking about here, don’t kid yourself. This is why Eastern Ukrainians are fighting – no one wants to be exterminated as a race.

  61. avatar
    Umberto Banchieri

    No. Stop appeasement!

  62. avatar
    Zielicz

    Zielicz What about China? wink emoticon

  63. avatar
    Peter Milford

    Peter Milford Scaling back forces will have the effect of encouraging aggression not appeasing it

  64. avatar
    Elaine Milford

    With Russia prowling-around UK waters and airspace, we need to prepare!

  65. avatar
    Viktor Haddad

    It s funny that 30+ countries want one (Russia) down grin emoticon

  66. avatar
    Christina Kler

    Kler Back to nothing ! We just celebrated the anniversary of the end of the war , and you are talking about another one ? Are you sick ?

  67. avatar
    Paulo Especial

    We want a FREE Europe! We want the ability to NEVER SURRENDER to any form of pressure from any kind os State/Nation! We must be a bullwark of DEMOCRACY and FREEDOM OF SPEECH/RIGHTS!

  68. avatar
    Ed Cocks

    It should be tripled AND NATO should establish a larger, standing Fleet presence after inviting Georgia and Ukraine to join.

  69. avatar
    Costin Halaicu

    Costin Halaicu I think it’s about time we stop appeasing Russia. The funny thing about the schoolyard bully is that when you finally stand up to him, he turns out to be nothing but a coward.

    • avatar
      Adrian Limbidis

      +1
      Totally this.

  70. avatar
    Eduardo Branco

    No! Let Ukraine be divided, there is no other way. Russian speaking peoples in Ukraine have the right to chose not to be a part of that “new Ukraine” and that is the real question. So, the West should go to war with Russia because a part of Ukraine, that was originally part of Russia (given by Russia to Ukraine in the XX century, in the context of the USSR) does not want to continue to be a part of the country after the ukrainian revolution? Are you out of your minds?!!

    • avatar
      Adrian

      The west doesn’t need to go to war, we just need to “contain” them like we did before.
      They will starve eventually. Like a siege.

      If they can’t stay within their borders and that means NOT UKRAINE ( or Crimea, or Georgia ) then they DESERVE what’s coming to them.

      And germany better stop negotiating PRIVATELY with Putler like they’re not part of the EU.
      Either we’re in this together or Merkel wants to be the new Ribbentrop !

    • avatar
      EU reform- proactive

      Adrian,…………..interesting, this opaque “we” is surfacing again? Are you the (unknown or self appointed) leader of the new underground EU army- issuing an ultimatum to Merkel or even Germany?

    • avatar
      Adrian

      You go to great lengths to excuse the russians and push this divisive agenda.
      I wonder on who’s payroll you might be?
      “EU Reform” – really…I shudder to think what kind of “reform” you have in mind.

      Yeah a lot of people of eastern Europe, that is to say “we” want MORE NATO around here not less. If you’re not here in the front line facing Russia then shut up and spare us the lecturing.

    • avatar
      EU reform- proactive

      Adrian thank’s. More compelling reasons- to reduce the EU- having a two tier system!

    • avatar
      Adrian Limbidis

      “Adrian thank’s. More compelling reasons- to reduce the EU- having a two tier system!”

      Let me make one thing clear.
      There is only on thing clear:
      There is *one* tier of EU or there *is* no EU.
      No one will accept a two tiered anything!

      It’s time you clowns in the west give up your colonial privileges. That era is gone, let it die already !

  71. avatar
    Christiane Vermoortel

    Appease Russia ? So the EU admits it has been bullying it.

  72. avatar
    Loïc Diels

    Loïc Diels No, the Russians only grow stronger when we appease them. Just look at Georgia

  73. avatar
    Lada Crnobori

    Why the hell would we let ourselves be pushed around by Russia? So, NO.

  74. avatar
    Sylvain Duret

    Sylvain Duret No, they understand only force, we should protect our democracy…

  75. avatar
    Ralph Dadura

    Ralph Dadura What a beautiful opportunity for “Putin Trolls” to unravel!

    • avatar
      Adrian

      Yeah they are already here telling us”we should dismantle NATO” and “hug Russia as if nothing happened”.

  76. avatar
    Vinko Rajic

    Vinko Rajic Those NATO and Russian forces in the East Europe are just silly . We should not have conflict with Russia . I don’t understand that Putin is trying to become “BIG” .

    • avatar
      Adrian

      No they are not “silly”. They are justified.
      And we don’t need a conflict with Russia.

      We just need to CRUSH their economy and then all those tanks and soliders won’t be able to move, eat or drink anything.
      Just like in 1990 when after decades of competing with the West the totalitarian horror show that was the USSR collapsed under its own weight.
      So it will collapse again.
      Putin already said he loves Stalin.

    • avatar
      EU reform- proactive

      @ Adrian

      …………..your extrem PRO European-ism is exemplary (frightening)!

  77. avatar
    James Taylor

    James Taylor Appeasement has always worked in the past…

  78. avatar
    Daniel Dimitrov

    Daniel Dimitrov Of course not.

  79. avatar
    Milan Speth

    The reason is wrong. Not to appease Russia. But to stop the breach of the European reunification treaty.

  80. avatar
    Gomes João

    When did appeasement worked? WW2 shows you what appeasement can do… NATO must push forward and help Ukraine reclaim Donbass and Crimea!

  81. avatar
    ancylostomiasis

    NATO should be scaled down. Military cooperation between European countries, however, should enhance. The military-industrial complex has reshaped the US under the pretense of existing foreign threats and changed it into a country addicted to military spending, preventing the people from living a better life. The Europeans however, have been enjoying American protection and all fell obessed with trivial dispute. It’s time to promote European unity and make Europe be responsible for its own security.

    • avatar
      Adrian

      Exactly.
      If they don’t like NATO they should stop invading other countries on b/s reasons that make NATO MORE relevant.

    • avatar
      Duncan

      @maia, first of all I’d like to again point out that Cyprus is independent of Greece and if a former Greek government had not tried to annex it then it would have given Turkey 0 legitimacy in it’s invasion. As it is Turkey as a Guarantor of the treaty regarding Cypriot independence had legitimacy.
      Next I’d like to point out the futility of your claim that Crimea was annexed by Ukraine by pieces of paper and as such should still be Russian anyway. Russia agreed to those pieces of paper, end of discussion. Unless of course you feel Hitler’s claims to Austria and parts of Czechoslovakia and Poland were justified and we all just overreacted? By your logic, New York is Still British by rights, as is Canada etc. And Alaska should still not be part of the USA. treaties or “pieces of paper” as you put it are a legitimate thing that has seen many bits of land change hands throughout history. If the people of Crimea’s freedom was oppressed in 1991 (not familiar with the topic, so cannot say for sure one way or the other) then it was ignored by Russia so they have now been reunited with the government that forsook them and you call that justice?
      As it happens I’m not especially against Crimea rejoining with Russia. I’m actually somewhat indifferent to it as long as it’s done in the right way. What Russia did was as far away from the right thing as it’s possible to get short of outright declaration of war. Which it was made very clear they were willing to do if their bully tactics were not accepted.

  82. avatar
    Maia Alexandrova

    NATO should not only be scaled down, but completely dissolved. This is an organisation for supporting American military aggressions around the world. Its views are very shortsighted, as a result of which it creates more chaos, divisions and wars than peace. NATO is a machine for spilling rivers of innocent blood wherever it is deployed. Do we need such a thing in Europe? Russia belongs to Europe, it is not a threat to it. Americans still suffer from cold war mentality, simply because they have not moved on from those times in history. Their arrogance, ignorance and supremacy complex hold them back in the past. How can we expect protection from an organisation controlled by people who think that USA is the only indispensable nation in the world? If someone does not value your life, how are they going to protect it? It is all a lie! NATO will not protect anyone! Its actions against Russia could only lead to a Third World War which means that most of us will probably die. If you don’t believe that, look at their past record – death, destruction and chaos, not freedom, democracy and prosperity. Their rule is: shoot first, think later. They seem to never be able to envisage the future correctly because their thinking is wrong and lacks wisdom. So they always mess up. This organisation does not care about international law or human life, it tramples over it. Its peaceful purposes are just a mask. Its real aim is for USA to establish control over as many countries as possible. The small and hawkish Baltic nations do not understand that if NATO starts a war with Russia on their behalf, they will most probably disappear from the face of the earth. Are we blind for the destruction caused by NATO in the Middle East? Why should we want the same for Europe? Scaling down NATO does not mean appeasing Russia. It means working for peace. This surely appeases many nations.

    • avatar
      Adrian Limbidis

      If Russia returns Crimea to Ukraine and pulls out from Ukraine THEN we can talk about “scaling back”.
      Until then the FORCE should be increased – this is the only language the kremlin understands. Brute force!

    • avatar
      Maia Alexandrova

      Adrian, how can Russia pull out of Ukraine when it is not there??? Don’t you want them to pull out of Mars first?

      Regarding Crimea, Russia cannot return it because it does not belong to Ukraine and it never did. Russians have always lived there and continue to do so. It was only annexed by Ukraine through documents. How did it become part of Ukraine when USSR broke up? Do you call that democracy and rule of law? Crimean people had a referendum in 1991 where they refused to be a part of Ukraine but no one listened to them, until now. Finally, justice has been served and they can live in peace, not suffer under Ukrainian ethnic and cultural oppression.

      Talking about annexes, what about Northern Cyprus? Or just because Turkey is in NATO, international law does not apply to them and they should not return the island to Greece? Where are the sanctions for Turkey and all the threats of brute force against them? You have double standards. However, the case with Crimea is different from Northern Cyprus because Crimea was not annexed, it reunified with Russia just like East and West Germany did at the end of the communist era – because people wanted so.

      You do not understand the Russian soul. In fact, you do not even recognise any human rights that Russian people have which explains your hatred and aggressive attitude towards them. It is sad that many people think like you. The language of arrogance, ignorance and disrespect only leads to a dead end and is certainly not the one that Kremlin will understand. You got it totally wrong. No one can impose their will on Russians, whether it is with sanctions or with force. They have already proved that in history. They are extremely resilient people with strong faith which will not be broken by Hitler-like actions towards them (military invasions) or vile and angry tantrums (sanctions and rude language outbursts).

    • avatar
      Adrian

      Well “Alexandrova”, if you check the map prior to 2014 Crimea…kinda DID belong to Ukraine.
      Unless you are of course geographically impaired.

      “Russians have always lived there and continue to do so. It was only annexed by Ukraine through documents”

      So?
      Since when some people living there get to decide for the whole country?
      Chinese live in Siberia by the millions – should they take Siberia and annex it to China?

      Somehow i think Putler would object.

      “Finally, justice has been served and they can live in peace, not suffer under Ukrainian ethnic and cultural oppression.”

      Typical russian troll propaganda.
      “Justice”? Lol i laugh, those who wanted to vote for staying in Ukraine were hunted and intimidated, there was no OSCE body to observe this “referendum”, all Russia invited was neo-nazis from Europe: Le Pen, Geert Wilders, Jean Luc, etc
      a) propaganda to create “reason” to invade
      b) invade
      c) justify it with “referendum” under armed duress

      Can you tell me at which point is this “justice” ?

      As for “peace” ? If you think there will EVER be “peace” again between Russia and Ukraine then you are delusional.

      “Talking about annexes, what about Northern Cyprus? Or just because Turkey is in NATO, international law does not apply to them and they should not return the island to Greece? Where are the sanctions for Turkey and all the threats of brute force against them?”

      What is this?
      WHATABOUTISM?

      Is the KGB not able to produce any better propaganda than old Cold War era tactics? Is that it?

      “However, the case with Crimea is different from Northern Cyprus because Crimea was not annexed, it reunified with Russia just like East and West Germany did at the end of the communist era – because people wanted so. ”

      Not really.
      1. reunification of Germany was approved by EVERYONE without exceptions. The international community AGREED with this.
      Crimea’s annexation NO ONE agrees with it.
      Not even China..well *maybe* north korea lol
      And there is no “reunification” when ARMED SOLDIERS patrol the streets “convincing” people to vote the “right” way.
      That’s an INVASION, we’re not fucking morons like you russians may think!

      “You do not understand the Russian soul. ”
      Actually after living under the “russian soul” in Romania for over 50 years, i think many of us REALLY got to know the russian ‘soul’.
      THEFT, PLUNDER, PILLAGE – seems to be the mentality prevalent there.
      The “soul” if you wish.

      We know it all too well.

      “You got it totally wrong. No one can impose their will on Russians, whether it is with sanctions or with force. They have already proved that in history. They are extremely resilient people with strong faith which will not be broken by Hitler-like actions towards them (military invasions) or vile and angry tantrums (sanctions and rude language outbursts).”

      Yes we can’t bring you down, except when we did in 1990 economically.
      And we will do it again until you release Crimea.
      You will release Crimea or die STARVING with it in your grasp. Your choice “russian ressilient people”.

      What? you think you can steal, invade and then resume normal relations like nothing happened? How stupid do you think we are !?

    • avatar
      Maia Alexandrova

      Well, “Limbidis”, if you were not that blinded by your prejudices, may be you would have seen what I actually said, rather than twisting my words. Too much anger and hatred prevents you from seeing and thinking clearly. Crimea never belonged to Ukraine in history, as there was no Ukraine existing as a country before the break up of USSR. I said that Crimea was only annexed by Ukraine through documents at the end of the communist era. I was not talking about the world map after 1990 like you claim. You misunderstood that. The period 1990-2014 is the time of injustice as a result of an administrative mistake.

      About the referendum – I was specifically referring to the one in 1991, not 2014, even though it does not make much difference. The important thing is that the will of people was ignored.

      How can some people decide for the whole country? They can, if they were annexed to that country by mistake and did not belong to it in the first place. They were simply trying to correct that and succeeded because finally someone listened to them.

      Voting is secret. Anyone can vote what they like. This is also reflected in the results in both referendums – in 1991, 4% voted against independence and in 2014, 3% voted against joining Russia. Just accept their choice – they have the right to that, just like everyone else in Europe. They are not different from the people in Scotland, for example, who were given a chance to have a say about their own future.

      The people in Siberia are of Asian origin but are not Chinese. They are at peace with the place they live in and have no reason to want to join China. There is no base for comparing them with Crimeans.

      The “whataboutism” is about double standards in international politics. This kind of practice is unfair and unacceptable.

      The reunification of Germany happened because this was one nation artificially separated in two. The same applies to Crimea and Russia. They were only separated by documents after the break up of USSR. However, the international community does not seem to recognise the same human rights for both Crimeans and Germans. Again we see double standards and no respect for democracy and justice.

      Theft, plunder, pillage – whether it is in Romania, Russia or Bulgaria (my country) – is there much difference? These things exist in our countries. If we talk about negative aspects of nations – aren’t we more similar than different? Talk about corruption, crime, lowest living standards in EU… Where is that? Romania and Bulgaria. Great. You want to be different from Russia but we are all Eastern Europeans and have similar cultures and way of life. Cannot escape from that. We are all trying to change things for the better. The communist past is gone. Why fight then? There is no need for hostilities. We are not enemies.

  83. avatar
    Adrian Limbidis

    The EU needs harsher controls to keep petty Putin-boot licking leaders *cough* Hungary *cough* from jeopardizing the European project in pursuit of fantasy border re-writing with Russia.
    NATO needs to stay and in paralel we need an EU army to replace it.
    Then there won’t be this constant complaining about “America”.

    But for now NATO needs to stay and stay in force !

    • avatar
      EU reform- proactive

      …….like: has controversial hero Drăculea’s fiery memories been resurrected? What an interesting kind of contest it would be between “the Impaler”- VLADIII- Prince of Wallachia & old fool Chomsky!

      At last, Archduke Dominic von Habsburg’s Bran Castle is up for sale (or sold?) for a pittance of only 80 mio Dollar- a historical haunt to the modern world in many ways!

      http://www.livescience.com/48536-vlad-the-impaler-dark-secrets.html

    • avatar
      Adrian

      What’s your point?
      All i see is an insane rambling about Dracula…Bran castle…dafuq?

    • avatar
      EU reform- proactive

      Adrian, try & grasp the (hidden) message…………….!

    • avatar
      Adrian

      I have no time for riddles, spare us your ‘metaphors’.

    • avatar
      EU reform- proactive

      Adrian, sorry for all the distractions- wasting your important time in your trenches! Please don’t forget to make yourself (s) invisible & (A)bomb proof!

    • avatar
      Adrian Limbidis

      I’m never “invisible” but please, go on with your rants…

    • avatar
      EU reform- proactive

      @Adrian Limbidis

      ………..thank you, with your kind permission- I will………..!

      If the EU would have bothered to have some efficient tools of useful “direct democracy” in place e.g.: an “unbiased” electronic opinion poll feedback installed in all 28 sane & insane Member states (not these pres-elected/directed Y/N- DE themes)- guess, what would the most likely trend to this (NATO=US forum question reveal- despite an overwhelming PRO EU majority in the EP?

  84. avatar
    Bayou

    I Think Ukraine should split into two different countries like Checoslovaquia did in 1993, ( in apeaceful and civilised way ) and let western Ukraine enter EU and eastern Ukraine enter the Euroasiatic Union.

    I am tired all this eastern countries warmongering against Russia, where were all the important european countries ( France , Belgium , Netherlands ) when we the southern countries were under Franco’s and Salazar’s Regime ? ( in Spain and Portugal ) did they support us in having a democratic goverment then? we suffered a lot with these totalitarian regimes also., but they were tolerated because they were capitalist regimes during the Cold War.

    The Southern countries want to trade with Russia ( is a capitalist country now ) Soviet Union dissapeared in 1991 and is a christian country, i only see ISIS as the real and mayor treat to Europe and i want to have a christian country like Russia on my side against ISIS.

    Us as europeans we dónt deserve that WW3 start again on european soil , sorry not his time , find yourselfs another place to start your own wars ( Russia and USA can destroy themselves on the Pacific close to Alaska and the Bering path ) but let us alone we have enough problems already

    If they keep pushing us into war i think that eurosceptic parties across Europe will grow strong and there will be alliances between them, because EU was created so another Great World War would’nt happen again on this continent and on this soil

    • avatar
      Duncan

      Ok, your opinions about a Russia vs America war aside, what makes you think exactly that 35000 troops being deployed by NATO in eastern Europe is somehow warmongering when Russian deployments along their western border already exceed that number? I would argue that NATO is already going out of it’s way to make sure that Russia is aware they are not scaling up for a pre-emptive strike by sending so little to counterbalance a much larger increase on behalf of the Russians. It is commendable that you do not want ww3 in Europe, but given the fact Russia did not send extra troops to it’s closest borders of the USA, what makes you think Europe is guaranteed to be the one that makes that call? So your solution would be to remove any and all military deterrence/resistance against a potential military attack on Europe in order to keep the peace? Does life for it’s own sake mean so much to you that you would chose to live as a slave rather than to risk death in defence of freedom? What is life without quality of life actually worth?

  85. avatar
    Bayou

    There shall not be another World War in Europe, european people are not foolish, not this time , we shall not fall in this trap again.Ukraine would be forced to split into two countries, if exist South Sudan and Northern Sudan since 2011, or North part of Cyprus ( turkish ) and South Cyprus ( greek ) or chezh republic or Eslovaquia, Norther Ireland (Part of United kingdom) and Republic of Ireland ( independent ) the same will happen with Ukraine , it will become to separated countries and we shall have peace and harmony trading with Russia .

    And for the U.S.A if you have the guts fight with Russia in the Pacific Sea , and in the Aamerican continent , the Alaska territory will be a good batleground for the war, and us europeans shall watch the main in our seats in our homes withaout any damage.

    • avatar
      Duncan

      Yes because it’s America that put nuclear weapons on high alert on the russsian/Ukrainian border area . . . . . . .
      Put the blame where it belongs will you!?!

  86. avatar
    Adam

    BOTH the politicians of NATO and Russia are to blame here, not the people of those countries. I get the impression that these leaders we place our trust in, on both sides of the argument, are itching for some kind of showdown with one another. The people caught in the middle, who will die if this turns into a war or heaven forbid, goes nuclear, will be us. Russia and the US should stop provoking each other and put their dicks away. I have no loyalty or sympathy for either of them. Sooner or later, they will have to talk to one another about their issues; throwing their toys out of the pram by annexing countries and issuing daily threats and warnings won’t solve anything. It’s like being in a playground sometimes…

    • avatar
      Adrian Limbidis

      I wish Putin would just provoke Poroshenko to a pistol duel like in the old days.
      Quick and easy.
      Then he could show how “manly” he is.
      And we could laugh at how moronic he is.

  87. avatar
    Yorgos Koutroupis

    I’m Greeky and i’ld like to know if the same EU quick response force would rush to defend Greece should TurkoGreek hostilities errupt.

    • avatar
      Duncan

      Well, I guess that would depend entirely on who instigated the hostilities.

  88. avatar
    Nando Aidos

    NATO and all other military boondoggles should be scaled back. Period!
    But the reason has nothing to do with appeasing Russia. That is the wrong connection. Russia should be part of the scaling back. Make Russia part of the solution! Not part of the problem!

    • avatar
      Duncan

      I think it must be, Russia can’t mobilise those sorts of numbers in that timeframe.

  89. avatar
    Dimitris Stamiris

    with Russia will be 3d world war if they (USA and EU) continue this stupid way !!!!!

    Also NATO must finish the problems they start with Islam other why we all will have problems (maybe is that what NATO want)

  90. avatar
    Toni Muñiz

    Europe always bending over backwards to appease everyone else, even in detriment of its own citizens. Should NATO scale back? NO. Should NATO provoke? NO What we should be asking, what are NATOS interests?

  91. avatar
    Joao Antonio Camoes

    the problem is not Russia. In future, Russia will be part of the solution as we are remembering now on the 70th anniversary of the past global cooperation.

  92. avatar
    Ioannis Vidakis

    EUROPE had two WWs cause of antagonism of power among the states… ALASKA is good for the new WW…

  93. avatar
    Ferenc Lázár

    Russia isn’t a threat to Europe, nor to Poland or Latvia or Hungary, it is just invented by Americans to play their “war games” of milliards! They made this war in Ucraine, created an artificial conflict between Russian and Ucrainian people, than they leave the mess behind..the war lords will always “need” this kind of conflicts for their profits, so Europe would better watch out! They would create a third world war using Poland, Latvia or Romania against Russia, than they would have their high incomes for years… At the same time Europe would collapse as well, so they can watch it from far Washington..

  94. avatar
    Karel Van Isacker

    Tit for tat… in 2015… the EU driven by foreign policy dictated in Washington. It is obvious the USA never had a “modern” war on their soil the post 120 years. Time Europe liberates itself from the US policies and operates an independent foreign policy and finds a peaceful solution to the current Ukrain crisis.

  95. avatar
    Geoffrey Howard

    5000 troops against the Russian Army? That is a waste of blood. The Nation-States have to be a part of the solution. They insist on continuing on being a significant part of the problem. That…is a real problem.

  96. avatar
    Sr.Ferreira

    I guess we shouldn’t send any troops to appease Russia, because they would see that as a threat, and that could make Russia not appeased at all.

    This “battle” with Russia should be fought in the backstage with politics and diplomacy, not with weapons, that would result in an unecessary waste of people for no reason at all…

    However someone is pressing EU to even think that we should that (USA), I guess they are the only ones with interest in having troops in Russia.

    I know this is supposed to be an alliance but if we enter in some kind of conflit against Russia I believe that USA is behind it somehow.

    • avatar
      Duncan

      Yes because the USA, it’s people and politicians haven’t been clamouring for Europe to stop relying on their military and start actually putting none resources and effort into it’s own defence. Clearly if the USA didn’t exist nobody would ever want to attack Europe! It’s so obvious to me now, I’ve been blinded by Russian military spending and Russian troop deployments close to Europe. It’s actually American troops in Russian uniforms! Thank you for opening my eyes!

  97. avatar
    Eva Benko Zoltan

    The Gernamns and the Russians are discussing the border between them. They should let in peace abd the borders and the Ucranian people.

  98. avatar
    Federico Mozzi

    “Soviet power, unlike that of Hitlerite Germany, is neither schematic nor adventuristic. It does not work by fixed plans. It does not take unnecessary risks. Impervious to logic of reason, and it is highly sensitive to logic of force. For this reason it can easily withdraw–and usually does when strong resistance is encountered at any point. Thus, if the adversary has sufficient force and makes clear his readiness to use it, he rarely has to do so. If situations are properly handled there need be no prestige-engaging showdowns.” George Kennan, 1946

  99. avatar
    Γεώργιος Δανιηλίδης

    Ιt is funy if it was not a dangerous attidude to serve crooked politicians and military-industrial complex.Yesterday there was not any danger exept collaboration.A very good example is Space Station.Later was created “ARAB SPRINGS” and ISIS AND MAYDAN and Russian threat.

  100. avatar
    Yannick Cornet

    With fear as a driver we could spend quite a bit of money on arms. Let’s let the Americans and Israelis be fearful of everything and let’s show them there are other more constructive and long term ways to solve real problems.

  101. avatar
    July Robin

    European people cannot be treated as crash test dummies , or as bait for a war by external influences of other countries, some powers want a big war in Europe or even Third World War so the world’s economy can reactive from this Great Depression of 2008 ( such as WW2 reactivated or reset the capitalist world economy from the Great Depression of 1929), there is not a consensus between all economists that president Rooswelt’s New Deal took America out of the Great Recession of 1929.

    After 1991 i only see that Russia respected Finland and Sweeden’s territory ( this two countries are not in NATO ) this countries are also in the European Union ,and they trade with Russia, so for me Russia is not a threat

    The European Union must avoid any provocation to enter a conflict , remember the other slogan of the EU , ” united in peace and prosperity “. We must be more intelligent and smart to get out this great depression of 2008 not using a World War inside this land ,but with other methods and with peace. As some people said above , we already had two world wars that started in this continent, and this is enough, no more wars in Europe please.

  102. avatar
    Paulo Especial

    That’s roughly a Brigade level in strength…

    We should raise it to, at least, Division or Corps level!

  103. avatar
    Andreea Simona Cotofana

    Eu cred ca este vitala o noua intelegere intre NATO si Rusia! Si asa vom evita multe dezastre, pierderea sufletelor oamenilor nevinovati! Am citit acest raport mi se pare la prima vedere unul bun insa trebuie sa analizam din foarte multe puncte de vedere acordul pe care dorim sa il semnam cu Rusia!

  104. avatar
    Ilyass Naqar

    You take the wrong way to resolve your problem, Russia should be a ally and a partner in peace in Europe, you can see that The United States is spying on you, and if I remember you are their allies.

  105. avatar
    Nando Aidos

    Let us (the EU) STOP acting like a cold-war-era-lunatics!
    Let us include Russia! THAT would be great diplomacy!

  106. avatar
    Paul Moldovan

    No, they are bad already. Nato should show Russia there’s resistance against it’s expansion tendences

  107. avatar
    Peter Harvey

    It’s hard to see how it can improve them, but that is not to say it’s unjustified.

    • avatar
      Adrian Limbidis

      No will…who will be split this time?
      Ukraine?
      Poland or Romania again?

      Ribbentrop Molotov part 2?

  108. avatar
    Luís Bernardino

    Well yea, brah. When did the stationing of troops at key points of a power’s borders put them at ease? “Oh, hur dur, it’s just to be sure and defensive and herpderp reason”. Bullshit.

  109. avatar
    Chris Panayis

    “NATO”, “Europe” and “Russia”… I am sorry, but: in an era of intergovernmental alliances, international trade, freedom of information, e-translations and the internet, at a time when it is plain visible that we have more in common than we have differences, the question you can come up with, is this? The real question is “what together we can do for the freedom of man. Ask high standards of strength and sacrifice. Imagine all of us, with a good conscience our only sure reward, with history the final judge of our deeds, going forth to lead the lands we love, knowing that here on earth God’s work must truly be our own.”. If only you thought globally, humanity could colonize mars within the next twenty years. Now, I am afraid humanity won’t survive the next twenty years. If Europe wants an intergovernmental military force (against whom, I wonder, will it be used? how many intergovernmental military forces exist in the world?) let it create a European army and government instead, not an American army against Russia (of course, to do that, you need to make EU citizens start to believe in Europe again, a scenario that politicians stopped believing in two decades ago).

  110. avatar
    ABRAHAM SAHO

    No Putin is a bully infact NATO should increase its force to a Million

    • avatar
      Adrian Limbidis

      Russia only accepts peace out of FEAR.
      Without the THREAT there can be no prace with the like of Russia.

  111. avatar
    Andreea Simona Cotofana

    Eu cred ca cel mai bine ar fi sa ne bazam pe principii: onoare, justitie si respect. Insa pentru a atinge acest ideal, trebuie sa ne oferim spriinul reciproc si sa nu mai gandim cine sa preia puterea, pentru ca un mediu sigur nu se poate organiza decat prin forma triunghiului si sunt 3 state conform statisticilor, care din punct de vedere constitutional au autoritatea si puterea de a dezbate pe aceasi premiza pe care am pornit acest punct de vedere, chiar daca unora nu le convine. Sincer sper ca toate statele de pe aceasta planeta sa vada odata pentru totdeauna ca nu se poate rezolva din punct de vedere politic, aceste conflicte armate, decat implementand noi legi in statele deficitare si mentionez ca U.S. are cel mai bun model de democratie demn de urmat!
    Cu stima si respect,
    Andreea Simona Cotofana

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