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Europe’s 6 million Roma form the EU’s largest ethnic minority group. In April, the European Commission hosted a Roma summit where it released its 2014 report on how member states are implementing national Roma integration strategies.

Speeches to the summit, tended to accentuate the positive. Roma inclusion is now on the radar screen of all EU governments, EU commissioners said. Finland has made big steps forward in pre-school education for Roma kids; France reduced financial barriers for Roma to gain access to health services; Hungary requires cities to prepare desegregation plans as part of their development strategies.

Yet you didn’t need to dig too deeply into the report to see major problems persist. In Slovakia, over half of Roma children are educated in segregated schools; the same goes for other a third in Hungary, Greece and the Czech Republic; more than a quarter in Romania and Bulgaria. In many countries 90% of Roma pupils leave school before the completing their studies.

Over half of Roma interviewed said they had faced discrimination in the employment market in the Czech Republic, Greece, Italy, France, Poland, Portugal and Hungary. “There are weaknesses in almost all member states when it comes to fighting discrimination effectively,” the report concluded.

What’s the answer? How can EU member countries do more to fight discrimination and improve conditions for the Roma in health, education, housing and employment?

Contributor Evaggelos suggested the EU should be able to sanction member states that do not take sufficient action on Roma inclusion. We asked Laszlo Andor, the EU Commissioner for Employment, Social Affairs and Inclusion, if he agreed:

What should the EU be doing to tackle the challenges of Roma inclusion? Do you agree that the EU should be empowered to take action against member states who don’t do enough to promote integration? Or should nation authorities be allowed to move at their own pace? Give us your questions and comments in the form below, and we’ll get reactions from policy-makers and experts.

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  1. avatar
    Paul X

    “Do you agree that the EU should be empowered to take action against member states who don’t do enough to promote integration?”

    Actually the question should be….

    “Do you agree that the EU should be empowered to take action against Roma people who refuse to integrate into the society of the country they choose to live in?”

  2. avatar
    Marko ZD

    No. Moust of states are doing a lot. The comunity itself must strive for change.

  3. avatar
    Louisa Rogers

    Immigration is always going to be a contentious issue but some countries are more used to dealing with large influxes than others (like Spain and Italy) now the emphasis needs to be placed on integration and changing peoples prejudices towards the Roma peeople

    • avatar
      Tarquin Farquhar

      @Louisa Rogers
      You forgot to mention Germany, UK and France which each host greater numbers of immigrants than Spain or Italy.

    • avatar
      Simon Dalton

      And both of you forgot to mention Malta witch is a very small Island and is one of the most populated countries in Europe. We too are hosting a large number of immigrants compared with other state Members who are much bigger then our small Island.

  4. avatar
    Karel Van Isacker

    Roma inclusion is useless as many Roma thrive for exclusion themselves, and especially through their so-called “representatives”. The Roma inclusion policy work has been a straightforward disaster, even recognised by people on the field. Almost none of the EC-funded projects are long lasting, their activities and outcomes are questionable, and so are the motives behind some of the partners and representatives involved. In fact, one would wonder why to do an effort since the Roma community itself is expert in illegal activities as has been outlined in a Roma expertise report by … the European Roma Rights Centre – see http://www.errc.org/cms/upload/file/breaking-the-silence-19-march-2011.pdf Time the EC stops these pet EC funded initiatives and looks at the real issue: within the Roma community itself.

    • avatar
      Maria

      Dear Peter,

      with the same logic they should sanction these countries for the way they treat even the majority of people.

    • avatar
      Tarquin Farquhar

      @Peter Castermans
      Well said!

      Romania and Bulgaria should never have been allowed into the EU UNTIL they had demonstrated a decade or two of treating their own Roma citizens with respect.

  5. avatar
    Dănuţ Bobocel

    How about sanctioning your brain Peter Castermans
    Apparently it became a paneuropean problem long time ago that doesn’t concern only Bulgaria and Romania anymore!

  6. avatar
    Петър Божинов

    The inclusion demand only one thing – most strictly apply the law equally for everyone because if someone want to be a prat of the society, he must observe the same rules like others and everything different from that, it’s an act of discrimination… So the equally rules and possibilities are the only way for successful Roma inclusion!

  7. avatar
    Peter Castermans

    Yes Danut it has become a pan-European problem. But they come mainly from Romania and Bulgaria, so these countries should take their responsibility and take care of these people.

    • avatar
      proactive

      @Petko…..you mean the EU circus in Belgium is better equipped to assimilate & tame any such global riddle? What about tranquil Luxembourg- where the real EU heart & brain sits and where Roma refugees would pose a pleasant refreshment for the many EU VIP’s during their well earned retirement?

  8. avatar
    Stefanescu Dan

    eu tr?iesc pe ‘teritoriul’ lor , au comunitatea lor ! Cum scap eu de excludere social? !?

  9. avatar
    Ívаn Lązóv

    Inclusion you say? If that equals to not paying taxes, having sex with 11/12 years old children (because that’s a cultural difference) and not going to school because you already are supposed to be married at this age – the state is doing it right… NO! Inclusion should be something different – it should show to these people that they have some obligations , not only rights! And if EU is a ‘community’ why not spread these 6milion people equally in every state? 50% of these 6 million people are located in two of the poorest countries in EU. And in answer to the obviously not very clever Peter Castermans – sanctions don’t solve your problem – the truth is that Bulgaria and Romania are the only roadblock that these people have before coming to live in your neighborhood!

  10. avatar
    Borislav Sotirov

    Sanction who? The states, that means to sanction the citizens. Romas are also citizens and they will be sanctioned, an absurd, isn’t it?

  11. avatar
    Ana Georgieva

    Yes, the Western countries have to be sanctioned because they do not want the Romany people.

    • avatar
      Alex

      Bullcrap.You just want to get rid of those people yourself^^

  12. avatar
    Живко

    money for “romainclusion” is throwing money into a black hole, they do not accept any rules, they quit school as at the age of 11-12 they start production of babies they do not care for and leave them to the society.

  13. avatar
    Translatecommunicateforyou Translatecommunicateforyou

    The problem is most EU countries think they do a lot. But in fact they do not understand the issues. I could refer to old facts re other old issues yet when Europe became one those issues where never a problem and now the EU claim those old issues became suddently issues. If this is not bad enough now they do the same thing with the Roma people. Did you pass the epso test on AD19+ level lately? Make a new reserve list of people who really need to be in the higher level jobs. Stop making excuses about a number of years experience. Nobody passed my epso AD 19+ test this year. I would like to invite al EU members to my epso AD19+ test centre this year so I can compile a new reserve list for the AD19+ and I can butt kick the ones that did not pass the epso AD 19+ test and remove them from their permanent AD job and advice them try to pass another epso test first. Good luck.

  14. avatar
    Artur Pereira

    My Country,Portugal ,is doing a great job about that.You should ask to the government what it costs to us.

  15. avatar
    Cris Hova

    The Roma problem is that the majority don`t want to WORK. They want social benefits, anti-discrimation laws, to steal and not pay anything back or spent jail time, but NOT to work.

  16. avatar
    Dănuţ Bobocel

    Peter Castermans – If you really believe that sanctioning the 2 states would help solving the problem then I must be living in the twilight zone…
    The problem can only be solved through intensive european cooperation. Otherwise we are all going to face failure after failure…

    • avatar
      Yulia

      Including Roma’s themself… to be right understood.
      Right?

    • avatar
      Marcel

      I’d say nothing, after all Cris Hova is stating facts.

      Like most bankers, most romani people seem to have little problems with stealing, it seems ingrained into the culture.

      Yes that is correct, not every culture is equal. Not every aspect of every culture is positive and not every religion is equal. And in some cultures, stealing is more acceptable than in others. Just like there are cultures where thinking women are inferior is normal.

      No matter how much you desire political correctness, you cannot wish facts away merely because they make you feel uncomfortable.

  17. avatar
    Trond Johannessen

    If it likewise makes sure that it is a two-way Street. We are not going to adapt to the Roma culture. Do we have time or resources to wait for their decision to adapt? It is a once-off offer or a certain return ticket. Does not only apply to Romas. EU needs to have a single standard, where there are no calculators that provide a “better opportunity”.

  18. avatar
    Trond Johannessen

    If it likewise makes sure that it is a two-way Street. We are not going to adapt to the Roma culture. Do we have time or resources to wait for their decision to adapt? It is a once-off offer or a certain return ticket. Does not only apply to Romas. EU needs to have a single standard, where there are no calculators that provide a “better opportunity”.

  19. avatar
    Ana Georgieva

    Romany people do work, if there is work. Here they work as builders, cleaners, musicians, gardeners. The West is the one who interfears causing only troubles here, with their non-government organisations, hipocrits and racists. Disgusting!

    • avatar
      Alex

      In Duisburg they also do work as thiefs at cash mashines and as squatters living with 500 people in a house that is supposed to be for 100 or so,not paying rent and demaging the house ,which cause great losts and anger for the lessor

  20. avatar
    Ana Georgieva

    Romany people do work, if there is work. Here they work as builders, cleaners, musicians, gardeners. The West is the one who interfears causing only troubles here, with their non-government organisations, hipocrits and racists. Disgusting!

    • avatar
      Marcel

      Your government cannot wait to get rid of them. Disgusting!

  21. avatar
    Ivana Arambašić Ex Deletis

    I have a very nice Roma families in my neighborhood (Croatia). They have their little trade business, very assimilate, educated, irreplaceable part of local community and they are complaining about Roma newcomers that they still, cheat, and make them too look bad and equalised with them just because they don’t want to be assimilate and except local norms of decent life. They don’t even speak same language and don’t understand each other. Global study is a need about how to make them except and assimilate in the community they want to live in.

  22. avatar
    Marine François

    First of all, do they want to be integrated?They are not even integrated in their own countries. Why it became an EU issue?They should be integrated in their own countries (social, education, health service, housings…) and then they could come and be integrated in other EU countries.
    Anyone who is not integrated in their own countries cannot be integrated in others…if an homeless is changing of country, his situation remains the same in another…
    Then; if someone wants to leave his own country to live in another EU country, they are well-informed about what they have to do to integrate themselves and their family…but the roma they don’t have any info about all this…
    The parents are not even educated, why the children will go to school??

    Giving sanctions is not the good solution, people are already fed-up with this problem that gives more problems in our society as insecurity…so if EU is doing that, I think this minority could never be integrated (I’m not sure they will one day…)

    Other question : to be part of the EU, normally the countries need to have conditions as protectiong the minorities and we can see that it’s not the case of Romania and Bulgaria, so why being agree of taking part of the EU as now their minority problem become an EU problem….

  23. avatar
    catherine benning

    We should sanction all commissioners, along with their cohorts and cronies, to a life outside any political regime or parliament who want to ‘serve’ the European citizen by forcing them to accept cultures and social norms that do not enhance the lifestyle and future economy of the population as a whole.

    These commissioners and their rabble who continue to promote, against our will, any faction or lifestyle that goes directly against the well being and advancement of Europe as a continent and people, are a drain on our society, therefore they are alien to our culture and surplus to our needs. They openly encourage hostility toward the accepted norm of the European people, thereby creating unrest in the population at large and maltreatment from those who collude with them in their deeds.

  24. avatar
    Vinko Rajic

    I think pope and church leaders should work on to integrate Roman folk into our socialite .

    • avatar
      proactive

      @Vinko…….great, how long will evolution take to assimilate such folks (~11 mio) on a different planet? Who has the money, time & patience in our fast moving & modern lives? The church could assist- if they didn’t yet- but Muslim invaders to Europe used them as slaves last- they seem to have a better knowledge how to do such complicated things! Definitely not our none elected theorizing, remote controlled EU apparatchiks!

  25. avatar
    Nadezhda Ogden

    Birth control!
    Only pay benefits for a certain period.
    Provide them with low-skilled jobs or according to their qualifications and experience if any. If they don’t manage to keep the job, not allowed any benefits!
    Don’t allow them to have more than 2 children. If they do have more- fine them then jail.
    Social housing- if they live by the rules and standards ok. If break the rules, evict them and social services take care of the childre.
    Information for those who think that Roma are Bulgarian. No, dear sirs, they are not. They may live in our country and have passports but that does not make them Bulgarian. They have their own language different religion and traditions! It takes more than a passport to become citizen of
    A country.

    • avatar
      Tarquin Farquhar

      @Nadezhda Ogden
      That’s a bit harsh.

      Only someone who came from an erratic, emotional, errant, egestive and extreme country could possibly hold those views.

      Where do you hail from again?

  26. avatar
    Pavao Škoko Gavranović

    In Croatia there are big problems with the Roman population, the local inhabitants get robed and beaten up by them every other day. Because of strict European laws it is simply impossible for the police to react restrictively enough to stop them. In my opinion we need a stricter immigration police, and “less loss” laws that protect minorities.

  27. avatar
    Samuel Esneyder Isaza Rincon

    if they go to an other EU country for just take advantage of the social system or just be on the streets asking for money, the should been send back… Sorry everybody deserve a chance but no if you are only a charge to the others countries…

  28. avatar
    George Yiannitsiotis

    Sanctions? A good idea for dissolving the West European Usurers Corporation.

  29. avatar
    Mihai Voivode

    First of all, STOP calling them Roma. They’re gypsies ! People automatically associate them with Romania and Romanian people and it’s degrading.

    Second, they are a nomadic society, the host country doesn’t need to to be sanctioned for a group of people that don’t want to abide to any law except their own.

    The EU must come up with better solutions than sanctions and exiles, they are celebrating “Unity in diversity” after all.

  30. avatar
    Ana Georgieva

    If they go to Western Europe they can clean your streets and be useful part of the society.

  31. avatar
    Dani Alexandrov

    EU got two faces regarding roma etnos – integrating them in East Europe and discriminating them in West Europe!

  32. avatar
    Tudor Gatina

    First thing what do they want !? why sanction member countries for not having a better action on Roma inclusion, maybe because they do not have the necesary funds to do that, and aplying a nother monetary sanction won`t actually help them.

  33. avatar
    Tudor

    First thing what do they want !? why sanction member countries for not having a better action on Roma inclusion, maybe because they do not have the necesary funds to do that, and aplying a nother monetary sanction won`t actually help them.

  34. avatar
    Alex

    I don t see why there should be sanctions for not encluding anybody…
    University is free,school is for free,you get social security and staff.Anyone who didn t make it,was basically lazzy or stupid.Basically I migrated from Kazakhstan and i m a few exams from beeing an engineer.Migrants from poor countries in the us probably have bad chances for high tuition fees and no social security,but in socialist europe?You must be shittin us^^

    • avatar
      Marcel

      University is free? Somebody forgot to tell me that 10 years ago, because it sure as hell wasn’t free for me.

      Ever heard of tuition fees?

    • avatar
      Alex

      Also wir zahlen 250euronen pro semester,was für mich kostenlos ist…wenn mans mit 5000buggs vergleicht,wie in den usa

  35. avatar
    S.K

    I have nothing against Romas as Human beings but there is a problem, I see them in France, Switzerland, UK etc. and everywhere its the same thing, begging, stealing, burglary, fraud etc., maybe not all of them are so, but so many of them are so that everybody is noticing it and the reaction is obviously negative, and it also creates a situation where people question things like the freedom of movement, theres a clear difference between travelling to e.g Paris,Zurich,London,Berlin etc. to see the sights vs travelling there to pickpocket, the Romas have a homemade problem since it starts with them teaching their children the skills of thieves, selling underage girls into marriage etc., we must stop seeing them simply as victims of racism and realize that they have to take responsibility for their actions, because their actions are causing their community to remain poor and uneducated and the when they steal to survive this actually causes people to hate them.Every action has a reaction!

  36. avatar
    Stanislav Ilev

    in Eastern Europe we are too poor to help them. Please take them all and take good care. Thank you.

    • avatar
      proactive

      @Stanislav- so kind! Yes, some understand! We’ll re-send your plea to Luxembourg with a private Courier service so long- where the EU is planning their new super parliament and many more niceties for their over-stressed politicians!

      Posting on debating Europe is rather a dead end! It is just to keep the hungry lions aggression down & their mouth shut!

  37. avatar
    Lică

    In Romania, the communists tried to educate the Rroma community and than to offer a free home (offen smuggled from the rich, aristocratic families) and a job to everyone. They were quite successful with this approach. All the Rroma people from the urban areas were employed in factories (mostly as low qualified workers, but some of them managed to climb up the social scale, such as Ion Dinca, a former vice-president of the govnm.) or in low profile public services such as cleaning, garbage removal etc., while those from rural areas usually worked in agricultural co-operatives, like any other peasant. Very, very few Rroma managed to keep their traditional nomadic way of life up to 1989, and this included limited antisocial behaviour, because the regime was very repressive. But after 1989 the co-operatives were dissolved, the industry fell, and many people, including the vast majority of Rroma people, were simply „relegated” to their lives before the communism. The Rroma community was particularly hit by the post-communist dissolution because, without the assistance of the communist state, they had no homes and no land of their own. Honestly, I don’t see the inclusion of Rroma (and other fringe communities) possible in a neoliberal world, with neoliberal policies, where the market dictates what should be done with those people and the state is refraining from active investments in production and services for all. In a neoliberal world, those people who are – essentialy – consuming commodities outside the system of legally and economically accepted exchanges, should be incessantly chased and, if possible, exiled in a no-return trip.

  38. avatar
    Ívаn Lązóv

    Ana Georgieva, I strongly suggest you go and try to live around a gipsy ghetto (not IN – but AROUND!) – soon your point of view will be different, I believe! the youtube video you posted is nice – but what’s there is more exception than a rule.. Unfortunately they do not want to be included , they want to deliver babies at age of 13 (what do you say about that?), live without paying anything, build their ‘kind-of-a-house-things’ wherever they want and the state should pay them for their laziness more than a normal citizen makes in a month in a small town. Excuse me but if wanting to have same rights, obligations and laws for them makes me a racist – yes I am!

  39. avatar
    proactive

    Yes,- Nation authorities must be allowed to move at their own pace, claw back lost competencies, initiate long overdue reforms or leave the EU!

    History & Science gives insight into the Romani nomads- which are mainly of Indian ancestry. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Romani_people

    Maybe the Gobi desert would be a suitable homeland for nomads? Sorry forgot, their ancestry & homeland actually was India & Pakistan!

    They left sometime between the 6th and 11th century from SE Asia, brought by Muslims to Europe as slaves and settled in Europe, Turkey and North Africa. Estimated @ 2-11 mio.

    Today, the EUC thinks it can theorize & bully its members from Brussels & demand miracles?

  40. avatar
    Christoph N. Hotep

    The Roma have been segregated and left alone for centuries. In the past nobody wanted to include them or give them work. So they were forced to rely only on themself as a community. That makes it very difficult to include them in society because in the past they never had a reason to trust the state and it’s actions to help them. They committed more crime because they often had no other choices, not because it’s part of them inherently. It’s a very difficult task to break this cycle and it will need a lot of time to fully include them in society.

    • avatar
      proactive

      @Eric, yes, there are instances where the “Gutmenschen” (the do gooders) movement can be helpful- but too much of it in the wrong place or world politics is fatal!

  41. avatar
    Tamás Heizler

    Hungary does a lot for Roma inclusion, yet it has very few results. First they should have aims, then we can help them to reach it. It`s really hard to help someone who doesn`t really have aims in life.
    First we should educate them and give them perspectives in life which is very hard as lots of them leave public school very early. Why? Because they don`t even understand why it would be good for them. This is a very long process.
    Seems like this article was written by someone from western europe who hasn`t even seen gypsies. Sanctions??? Come on! We already spend quite big part of our taxes on them.

  42. avatar
    Akos Tarkanyi

    It is all not true, Tams Heizler. First of all, there is not “them” in general. There are different peope among them as in every socia group. Gipsy / roma population is very heterogenous. The reason of their recent social catastrophy in Hungary is that most of them lived in regions which became rust belts after Communism’s collapse. And our governments did hardly anything to rdevelp these areas, and the sum they spend on helping people there is really an insignificantly small part of our national budget.

  43. avatar
    Akos Tarkanyi

    There are good programs – eg. reform schools, complex social programs, best practices – which are efficient in integrating Gipsy people into society. But they are expensive and that is why governebts don’t want to spend on them, either in Hungary or in other EU countries.

  44. avatar
    Rácz Tivadar

    The deepest question of Rroma is, wether they would be ever ready to get included into the society? Because they’ve been caught – since ever – in their own structures, caste-system, that is verry similar to the India caste-system.

    There have been several tryings, even in Romania, to include them, by giving them home and work. Some of them, mainly the higher caste members, got the corner, the most of them not.
    In the 70-es of the last century , they’ve got a lot of flats, butt these were ruined, because they’ve keeped animals as horses and pigs in these buildings, destroyed all facilities all arround, and they never went to those working places, they’ve got, because other possibilities of money-earning were much easier and reliable, than work.
    Going to school was also not for their “gusto”. Some of them never got more than 4-6 classes – within 10Years!!! – and the results of included educaation run many generations of teachers mad, turned their hair into snow-white!

    Just make your illusions, eu, because those ladies and gentlemen they already arrived into better positions, never got into real touch with those Rroma under-crowd, but they are still debating inclusion, costs of an useless work that already destroyed huge founds! No, you guys, you never would understand that system and you never would get some “fruits” of your work, unless you are not ready to place som of those rroma onto your closer area.

    It may be disappointing to see middle in Europe these migrants, these people in those living conditions, but let me tell you, some of them never deserved for better ones, as they have no idea, no plan and no respect against all that, what some well-meaned actions are yupplying them. And nvertheless, let me remind you: well-meaned is not well-done! No, never!

    • avatar
      proactive

      @Racz……quite a practical & realistic assessment- what’s to be done? Nobody actually seem to knows- me either! The time of auctions are over for ever & those politicians who theorize are just massaging their conscience!

  45. avatar
    Ana Georgieva

    v?n L?zv, they do work. Only they clean the streets here, and do the gardening, work as builders as well. It is not an exception. The problem is the western genoside against the ex-communist countires. Economic problem, there are no enough jobs! During socialism they had work, all of them, and they lived as normal people!

    • avatar
      proactive

      @Ana, your concern & frustration are appreciated!

      True, the jobs are being exported to Asia instead! Why? Make some comparisons & find your own answers between our different worlds! By just looking in number terms & recent history- but keeping in mind the economic & social advancements made or not:

      EU 0,5 bio willing, well educated & hard working, highly paid, high cost & living standards. Asia total 4.42 bio mixed bag (~50% of the world!)- but most are eager to attain good education & a better life! Single countries like: China 1.351 bio willing, India 1.26 bio trying, Pakistan 0,182 bio trying etc- where are the future markets, cheapest labor & best opportunities?

      Wouldn’t the only 2-11 mio Romani people just as well fit best into Asia- their ancestral homeland- representing only a handful for Asia? The EU even does not know their real numbers yet! Too late now- just a thought for speculations!

      http://www.worldpopulationstatistics.com/population-of-asia-2014/

  46. avatar
    Dobromir Panchev

    In Bulgaria 30 years ago gipsies used to work in construction of houses and roads. Many of them worked in the agriculture and cleaning streets. Some of them did use to steal and do small crimes, but generally most of them had jobs and were not threat to the society. Today there are two reasons for most gipsies to become criminals: not enough jobs and not enough justice. It is much easier for them to steal, than to work. Only a small percent of them get caught after committing a crime. Even smaller percent get effective sentences and go to jail because of bad laws which favor the criminals, not the victims. And finally the corruption in justice makes it impossible to make these people work, because they know that they can steal and not go to prison. Only the combination of education, work and force can integrate gipsies in society.

  47. avatar
    Ĝabrïel Crætivě

    STOP calling them Roma, Rroma, Romany. They’re gypsies, cigny, ???????, zingaro ! People automatically associate them with Romania and Romanian. People in Romania are Latin, not nomads like gypsies.

    And I think they are not the population of Rome, Italy.

    In the U.S. are called Gypsies. And they are proud of it.

    Gypsies are not a problem. We are the problem. For invent false discrimination. Because we treat the Gypsies as like pariahs of society. Because we avoid them because they are dirty. They don?t steal because they have nothing to eat in their country. If you have seen many of them have palaces. They steal because they are used in international organized crime networks. Gypsies need not be seen as a discriminated minority. Westerners believe that Gypsies are victims. Gypsies need to be punished like any citizen when they break the law. Gypsies will have to believe that only through education they will evolve. No one should have to walk elsewhere around Europe, unless they have a stable job or are in a touristic circuit.

    We are afraid not to discriminate minorities … after all we are discriminated. We live in a Europe where minorities rule. We need laws to be respected by minorities. Europe most people are good citizens.

  48. avatar
    Cristina Rodrigues Pereira

    Gipsies don’t want inclusion otherwise there would be no gipsies anymore. There are gipsies because they marry among themselves, they have their own rules and laws and way of living. I guess Dobromir Panchev is right.

  49. avatar
    ironworker

    It seems a never-ending bull s-hit. I strongly suggest to do whatever comes first to your mind, or you consider “the solution” to “the problem”, punish, burn, gas, castrate, build walls, electric fences, physically eliminate, impose sanctions, or whatever. Guess what, you are still doomed.

  50. avatar
    Laszlo Nagy

    What most tend to overlook, is that this ethnic group has its own culture. That means, they like the way they live. For them the way their housing is, and how many children they have since their early teenage years, is ok.
    In Hungary, back in the communist times, they had a project, they bulit so-called “C- houses” for the Roma. Identical houses up to all normal living standards. The inhabitants did not maintain them(to put it mildly). Some of the experts say that the Spanish are doing it right, they do not try to fully integrate, but consider their culture and try to meet them halfway. They just require them to do certain things for welfare.
    Currently, the right way seems like to be the generations-long planning, and the projects should also include those few young Roma, that could complete their education and can be seen as an example.
    The best organisations to help schooling success and living standards are probably the child care services. They can help families a lot, and by being able to take away their children, the social workers can force them to lead a cleaner and less criminal lifestyle.

  51. avatar
    Tamás Heizler

    Dear kos! I know that gypsy community is as heterogeneous as any other ethnic groups (or even more if considering 2 or 3 different native languages spoken by them), but in order to keep my thoughts short, I had to simplify these things a bit. So when I wrote “they”, I meant only those gipsies to whom these issues apply (however this group is still very heterogeneous). And I didn’t think of musician gypsies of course.
    The thing is that today there are now gypsy programs, positive discrimitations, scholarships running on (just as there used to be these kind of programs during the previous governments as well). From your tax and from my tax of course. And this is pretty okay for me. The problem is the too low results of these programs. Sometimes it seems to be waste of money… (Maybe it’s not…) So what can we do? Looking at those countries that have done these kind of integration programs successfully? Oh wait! There is no such country… What about Western Europe? France: Their solution is to send gypsies back to Romania and Bulgaria.
    The problem is that “they” don’t even have a useful perceiption about how the world works so “they” don’t even know which step would bring them a little bit out of the shit.
    These are serious problems. No one knows the solution. We’re running some programs. We don’t know how effective they are. Probably not that much… And then comes someone who probably hasn’t even seen gypsies in reality and writes this article about sanctions while we’re already spending some part of our taxes for trying to solve these kind of problems. If EU really thinks that there are other possibilities that would help gypsy communities to integrate to our society then EU should rather spend its budget on it than just to judge or sanction member countries without thinking, without brain.

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    crayven

    Yes.
    Let’s start with…oh i don’t know…FRANCE!
    France the hypocritical country who lectures everyone on how “bad you treat your roma minority” while shipping them over to Romania or Bulgaria at EVERY CHANCE they get.
    What’s the matter?
    Why not include them, huh?

    BASTARDS.
    WORDS ARE CHEAP! Let’s see you ‘fancy” West roll your sleeves and actually INTEGRATE these people, not ship your problems to the East then have the NERVE to bash us for struggling with what YOU TOO should be doing.

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      Tarquin Farquhar

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      Marcel

      You’re the ones who shipped them over to our side in the first place. They’re yours, you take care of ’em, we do not want ’em here. And don’t lie, you feel the same as your governments couldn’t wait to get rid of them and ‘encourage’ them to go ‘west’.

  53. avatar
    Yvetta

    No, the problem with including the Roma is that a lot of money is required to facilitate this and EU member-states cannot afford this. Their situation has deteriorated since the fall of communism, which has resulted in poorer state finance and a less social policy. Funds to be specifically invested in that area are needed. Sanctions would take away money and exterminate financially the member-states that have inclusion issues.

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    Maia Alexandrova

    If those countries are sanctioned, then there should be sanctions for the countries who have integrated the gypsies, for failing to help the struggling countries solve their gypsy problem. The only solution would be to force gypsies to study, work and observe the law through requirements for access to social benefits, as well as by introducing new criminal sentences – study or work in prison. Only when these are completed, the criminal can be freed. Otherwise, if they are lazy and refuse to do their tasks, they can stay in prison for life, it is their choice.

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    Kate

    All people should have the same human rights and be treated fairly and with respect no matter what race they are. Many people from some of the EU countries are racially discriminatory and prejudiced. We should do everything we can to ensure equal treatment and opportunities to all.

  56. avatar
    Ruth Barnett

    sanctions, on EU members who treat their Roma unjustly, are unlikely to work. Sanction are punishment and punishment usually makes the wrong-doer angry, resentful and even vengeful. This likely to exacerbate the problem. Some positive ways need to be found – to present the positive side of Roma culture and history and the contribution some individual Romanies have made to humanity. At the same time emphasis in education to raise awareness of injustice and the negative results of stereotypes and scapegoating.

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