In 2014, the European Union signed sweeping trade and association accords with Ukraine, Moldova and Georgia. The deals are designed to cement economic and political ties between the EU and the three former Soviet republics, to the chagrin of Moscow which has sought to lock them into its own sphere of influence through a Russian-led Eurasian customs union. Leaders of the three countries hailed the agreements as historic steps towards their full integration into the European mainstream.
“What a great day, perhaps the most important day for my country after independence day” declared Ukraine’s President Petro Poroshenko, after signing the agreement at a summit in Brussels. He urged EU leaders to go further and hold out the prospect of eventual membership for Ukraine, saying it would “mean the world for my country.”
As yet however, the EU’s offer of a closer partnership does not include any membership pledge.
Where do you think the future lies for these three countries on the EU’s eastern flank? Would a pledge of eventual membership bolster stability in a troubled neighbourhood? Does the Union have a moral responsibility to welcome in all European democracies – especially those like Ukraine where citizens have shed blood in support of European ideals? Or is another eastward enlargement a step too far for an EU that’s already struggling to function with 28 members?
The EU’s treaty says that any European state that meets requirements of democracy, human rights, rule of law and fundamental freedoms can apply to join the Union. Yet in recent years there’s clearly been a growth in “enlargement fatigue” among voters in the EU’s existing member countries. Eurosceptic parties have made gains with warnings that previous enlargements have seen a flight of investment to the east and an influx of immigrants heading west.
With Turkey, and five candidates in the western Balkans already lined up as possible members, do you believe the EU already reached the limits of expansion? Or would bringing in new members to the east inject fresh life into the flagging European project? Would membership for Ukraine, Georgia and Moldova strengthen Europe against a “dangerous” new Russian expansionism? Or should the EU avoid provoking the bear with its outreach to Moscow’s “near abroad?” Share your thoughts and ideas in the comments section below and we’ll take them to policy-makers for their reaction!
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georgia… haha
Why haha ?
Russia is “dangerous” only in some bureaucrats’ minds or at least it is no more dangerous than Merkel’s EU, who is willing to turn into her new economic Lebensraum!!!
Moldova and Georgia for sure!
Why would the “Russian expansionism” be dangerous? And why Europe should be against anything Russian? Isn’t it in both Russian and EU interests to trade and neighbor peacefully?
Putin
it is the EU which is “expansionist”… The evil empire is in Brussels!
i think there is no “dangerous russian expansionism” only really dangerous EU expansionism. EU threatened the people of Bosnia to surpress their uprising if they didn’t go back to work. They were demanding nationalisation of companies, stop to privatizations, rights and benefits for workers. The EU supports a fascist government in Ukraine which just announced a pla of sell off of public companies and more rounds of austerity for the people. At the same time, the oligarchs are not paying a single dollar to their country.
The question is why we should continue putting up with a union which only serves the interests of the extremely rich at the expense of the society.
The answer is yes, but European Union need also a real unified international politics and unified defense politics. Not only economy can stop the Russia new-imperialist way made by Putin and some extremist like Dugin.
Yes.exactly! :)
I agree!
Wouldn’t make any difference to EU – Russian relations . It would just strengthen moldova’s Ukraine’s and Georgia’s sovereignty .
A dangerous new Russian expansionism ? On what planet are you living ? And what about the dangerous new NATO (=US) expansionism ?
answer: NO
What right have we to deny that what we take for granted and for what the peoples of these states have bravely spilt blood for FREEDOM.
How and what is exactly dangerous
Yes. And block Soviet Union 2 with its army of internet trolls on Kremlins payroll, army of spies. Show the middle finger to the Moscow stallinist scum
….why so unfriendly to transformed member “Russia” who joined the capitalist market economy? Still in cold war mode? Shame!
Nice one!!!
The EU is far too much americanized. Like everything that has to do with Russia is bad, Russia shouldn’t be allowed to do anything, while on the other hand the US can do pretty much anything and the EU is its bitch. Pardon my language, but it’s true.
@Matej Zaggy Zagorc
So you want the EU to be Russia’s B###h eh?
It’s too early to talk about their membership prospects. as well as bringing up fatigue argument is slightly irrelevant. Not that they are joinning the club next year. However I believe those countries deserve a chance as much as Balkans.
No, they are not ready and neither the old countries to receive them. Stop to the enlargement if we can’t survive
No. First Turkey or Serbia.
….are you a stamp collector?
Stop to the enlargement we can’t survive…there is no dangerous from russia….look at gaza, and stop to the new entrances, we are tired of new countries that are not europe
both of youz.. please stop expanding over us, play nice and help us live prosperous lives. k? k thanks
Yes.
it is up to them to decide…besides..Moldova is a country created after it was taken away from Romania. .they speak romanian and their flag is similar.I also believe russia should have very close and privileged ties with the E.U.
Taken by who?
@Robert
By Russia, twice.
They have a cross in their flag, so why not. Everyone with a cross in the EU, everyone without stay out, right?
well Jude De Froissard, you should learn more about Moldova lol
Well Christina, the person who should learn more about Moldova is you. No offence, but Jude is right 100%. And…….I’m Moldova citizen, just in case.
Not “should”!!! it’s their LIFE SAVING to join EU
YES, YES, YES!!!!!
Only if the EU harmonizes it’s tax system to that of Russia with income tax at 13% : http://www.worldwide-tax.com/russia/russia_tax.asp
“dangerous Russian expansionism”? Could this page be any more biased?
…….yes, just remember the EU was conceived during the cold war times- it shows!
More??? Let a Country in without solving the mess EU is right now? EU is in a economic, financial and social mess. If someone jumps in it is only one more to suffer economic and socially. If you think EU is OK just come in each Country for 2 weeks, study, and feel if is a just and good union. It is not. It is not guarding peoples rights and well being, it is protecting big banks and big enterprises. It is allowing a big difference in people, with some getting millions a year, while others are hungry with no work. Just look at Portugal, closely and you will see that the EU is rotten and letting fascism grow. So, no i think the ones that will enter will suffer.
Yes tried……the third W.W is ahead….
Your postings are for quite some time already anti Russian. I am more concerned about irresponsible EU expansionism.
looks like you’re not that familiar with the Moldovian either… just saying :)
Christina Podkolina, well, I don’t know, look at the map. Russia is not exactly a small country, unlike its neighbors in Central-Eastern Europe, some of which were subject to Russian rule in the past. If you are from Russia, by all means criticize the West for its own hypocrisy, but please do not claim that your country doesn not have an expansionist foreign policy, because that just wouldn’t be honest.
I’m from Moldova ;)
Yes, but Russian nationality! At least, judging by the surname…………..;)
Ah, well, that changes the discussion… :)
I think there is no Russian expansionism… this is EU expansionism….
on the other hand… I though if a state member is in a civil war can not be in the EU…is this right?…
haha, what a joke! whose talking about expansionism??
Yes
it seems debaitn europe has a political opinion a propaganda… EU should not rivalize with Russia… but it seems in this post you allready say… “dangerous Russiona expansionism”… what is dangerous is the amount of killers and bastards in the EU gobernment that destroys our health care and social institutions for a bailout… you say you are friends… you are not… you are thiefs… people that do not respect human lifes…
what about the dangerous expansionism of Israel?… ou shit… you are israelians isnt it? who pays you?
http://img.scoop.it/uN9K1randh21MEV4_9p_rjl72eJkfbmt4t8yenImKBVvK0kTmF0xjctABnaLJIm9 …. Israelians looking, like cinema, how theyr army is bombing gazza… do you think EU should debate something?…
do you support Israel? are you genocides?… do you suport genocide?… Debating Europe hello? https://fbcdn-sphotos-b-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-xap1/t1.0-9/10540378_308248022675557_7442559328479711510_n.jpg
Those countries together with Russia should join EU , the greatest democracy in the World .
Sara la rovina per questi paesi visti che EU fa schifo.
The EU is expanding due to the fact that countries chose to sign up to be a part of this system. Russia is attempting to expand by seizing territory from other countries militarily. They have taken Crimea and only a blind fool cannot see that they are behind the troubles in eastern Ukraine right now. The leaders of the insurgency in Ukraine are Russian, not Ukrainian (Borodai, Strelkov) the fighters are predominantly mercenaries from Russia, those who are not mercenaries are motivated to go to Ukraine by the shocking catalogue of lies told through the Kremlin controlled media in Russia. The heavy equipment they have is Russian made and it has been shipped through Russian territory over the Russian border into Ukraine. In 2008 Russia effectively annexed parts of Georgia. They are constant threats to the Baltic states coming from Russia. And, worst of all, Russia has a mad man at the helm. I’m not saying that EU membership will make any difference to any of these countries with regard to the threat from Russia (in Moldova the Russian backed break away region, or frozen conflict, is called Transdnistra) as the EU isn’t a military block, but these countries have simply all signed up to enter the rules based system on which the EU is based and it is their absolute sovereign right to do so.
Paul, I agree with almost everything you wrote, except probably the “madman”. In the context of his paradigms (distrust of the West & the notion of Rivalry between Russia & the West) Putin is rational, just the same way he is about posponing the implementation of necessary reforms as too risky. It is an oligarchic system, where his cronies are billionaires. Why risk the status quo? Better play the strings of Russia’s complexes (“the Collapse of the Soviet Union as the Biggest Geopolitical Catastrophe of the XX Cn) and snatch a sliver here and a country there and play grandeur again, instead of opening the country, tackling corruption, enforcing the rule of law…..To us, the poor CEE bugs, the Collapse was a liberation from the reins of a totalitarian system and his rule is the vengeance of the siloviki.The way of populism and nationalism appears by far easier than reforming the country in the midterm. In the long run, Putin will be dead..
Of course they should join the EU, it’s their right to do so.
…..and these rights are given to them by whom?
No country has a “right” to join the EU, certainly not those who are going to be net beneficiaries from EU funds…… which means any country because you don’t see many rich countries queuing up to join the EU
The more free loading countries that join the EU means more tax for the people of the paymaster countries…. i.e me
Until the EU fields a large army, I’d doubt it.
……rather enjoy your wine instead of sabre rattling! Nowadays one can work out at “Virgin active” or similar!
Why eu should have Russia as an enemy? Unless if Brussels thinks we are still in a cold war
Russia itself is part of Europe. As such the EU should integrate these states as they will function as a bridge for a truely united future Europe.
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BsN1c2wIYAA9Orp.jpg
YES.
Should Russia and China Join EU and then EUA join EU? An then what?
@Pedro Oliveira
Don’t forget Latin America, Australasia, Africa…
@Tarquin Farquhar
What about India? You wouldn’t mind it, would you? ;)
yes!!!
Let’s all dangerously expand! This is ridiculous :)
No.
No, not before 50 years. the UE still has a lot to suffer from the previous enlargement. The priority for now is to go toward federalism
Yes, of course ! ;)
And Russia too! http://www.losio.com
I wonder what the outraged people, that made comments regarding the the “poor” “inocent” “friendly” and “Kind” “non-expansionist” and not a “threat” Russia, have to say about this: http://thediplomat.com/2014/07/russia-threatens-nuclear-strikes-over-crimea/
If membership comes with a Marshall Plan for all of Europe then yes.
But it is imperial overstretch without it. The EU will implode without consolidation of territorial and social and political territory.
“Old” Europe is pulling away, just as “New” Europe is “living the dream”.
Western Europe felt cosy, familiar and “solidarity-full”. It no longer feels like that for an Irish or Dutch person, etc.
On point!
More and more people are getting disillusioned by the EU agenda. Lost in translation …. what does the U stand for again?
Back to the ‘drawing board’..
My thoughts exactly Andrew Lally. I believe the more eastern european countries join, the more western european Member States become euro-sceptic.
only after Russia , Turky and Marroco!!!!
Russia wants its own private club of slave..er..i mean “friendly” states and will not join any European construction.
Yeah!
Consider that Russia could get angry for real
NO!
Especially not Georgia since it is Asian and not European country.
………..what is “European” is determined nowadays by the EU Council and nobody else- capito?
The racial difference is hardly a good argument, you know.
I bet you have no vague idea about Georgia. You have never been there, never read anything about it and you are judging whether it is European or not. For which reasons is it Asian? Is it Oriental by culture? If you think so, I have to disappoint you. It is least oriental or Turkic compared to all the Balkan republics. With human rights, freedom of speech, anti-discrimination and low level of corruption it is the leader in the whole eastern part of Europe, at least you could sometimes check some data and then spread your ”wisdom”.
What “dangerous” new Russian expansionism? What the hell are You mumbling about?!
Why not, once they adhere to EU regulations on economic regulation, trade, human rights and external affairs.
Not yet
I’m not sure there will be a EU to join by the time they are ready.
Why not ? And Russia too.
Russie d’abord :)
Again false blame from Europe’s stigma about Russia friends. Dangerous EU!
Whether they join or not I know for sure that if they join that the EU will again beg us Swiss to pay money for the modernisation of their dirt poor members, we are used to it, and dont dare come with the solidarity crap, if you want these countries in your EU club so bad then finance them with your own money!
………lucky Switzerland is a none EU member! Therefore a none contributor to the EU’s budget- isn’t it? The Swiss retain all 100% of their VAT to spend as directed by their own parliament- not the EU’s! The EU Council is a magicians club & will create money out of “thin air” for their “spellbound puppet show”! Its just paper anyway!
@proactive, 85% of the Swiss people are aginst Switzerland joining the EU, not out of hate for the EU but out of love for Switzerland.
…that’s well understood & envied! Many regret their move in hindsight after experiencing to be subjected to the EU Council & their whip! Finally- all will loose their own local governments eventually!
That is the reason to demand the restructure of this EU monster- also “out of love”! Wished the EUP could muster 85% for a “motion of no confidence” in the Council, the Commission & its own parliament- all of them to be suspended!
That’s a clear NO! It would weaken the Union. Our country is big enough and we don’t need any new member states.
One day they will expand a little to far and there will be ww3, they will blame the other side, but it wont matter whose fault it is because cities will be rubble, millions dead and the world about to face nuclear winter, Brussels is addicted to expansion, theres a expression ”dont bite off more than you can chew”, Ukraine is proof the EU needs to slow the fuck down.
You are so biased, you got my instant unlike of the page.
This is the first step.we will see later.
EU’s expansion (now to the East)- is- as always based on “political & market assessments” only. It will become a further drain for those who are net EU contributors to foot the EU Councils bill!
Basically, the underlying design of the EU expansion policy was created by handful pioneers- under “limited democratic principles”- as stated by the EU Council in its “1993 Copenhagen criteria”. Right or wrong?
By becoming EU members- all have renounced their capacity to enact important legislation at home- it is checkmate my mate!
Water under the bridge? Forget it or forget it not? In the meantime, this slimy EU octopus has been dressed in democratic robes & made unquestionable attractive!
Copenhagen criteria: “Countries’ classification as European is subject to political assessment by the Commission and more importantly—the European Council”!
Is this not an obvious give away of premeditated undemocratic intend! Yes or no? The EU enlargement is set on autopilot- unstoppable- pasta- finito!
This tsunami now targets all EU crumbs- all near, or bankrupt states- which will drive up the average debt to GDP ratio of all others. They will become the paymasters (taxpayers & its future generations). Viva global corporatism- never mind how ordinary people will survive & assimilate! Of course, folks in the EU are just numbers, subjects, idiots & may debate till doomsday! Hallelujah EU!
No.
Lol well NOW that there are cites around the word “dangerous” it sounds pretty funny :D Well done, #DebatingEurope ! ;)
Not until they have the same GDP as Germany
never… The Eu does not exist to contrast Russia, it does to accomplish THE European way of integration
And if one thing has become very clear since 2002, is that the European way of integration is a complete failure
Lets not be foolish, Russia is only demonizing NATO to galvanize Russians against the west and give them the we’re at war mentality, so that they think we need Tsar Putin in power. What Putin wants is to keep NATO out of Ukraine, Georgia, Moldova so that he can rebuild empire, and give authoritarian rule inside Russia legitimacy and Justification in the eyes of your average Ivan and Boris. All good and well for Russia, no harm to the EU, and NATO, but Russia is doing great harm to the political, economic, and social well being to the people of Georgia, Moldova, and Ukraine. This is why the Orange revolution in Ukraine, the Rose revolution in Georgia happened. The Ukrainians revolted against Viktor Yanukovych in 2005, and again now in 2014, twice!!! Russia is beating these countries down with Tanks, rebels, sanctions, espionage, and Europe doesn’t even want to lift a finger to wave at Russia! EUROPE MUST INCORPORATE UKRAINE, GEORGIA, MOLDOVA! EUROPE WHOLE AND FREE!
Thank you, countries inside the Eu complain that they are being rules by Brussels and how horrible it is! Rule of law, human rights, independent courts! Those poor EU members! Try being on the periphery of Russia, with no allies, being dictated to by the meat grinder that is the Kremlin! Economic sanctions, espionage, out right military aggression! Just the simple act of the Europeans in keeping the hope in the Georgian people alive that Georgia one day can join NATO, and the EU. It transformed my country for the better! Yes, Georgia is not rich, but we eliminated corruption, state institutions like police, education, municipality are all functioning and corruption free. After living for years having to give out bribes to small officials, and police who only pull you over to extort bribes, It’s like coming to the surface and taking a fresh breath after having been pulled down deep under water, where there is no light, and no hope for a future!
why not?
“eventually” is the key word……..after they have eliminated the corruption of the oligarchs.
No. That would be a NEW problem.
Maybe after many, many years if they are up to
If they meet the requirements and they share the same set of values as Europeans then sure.
I’m quite sure you’re willing to take a significant pay cut and benefits reduction + handing over some of your pension money to pay for that?
Ukraine yes, Georgia probably in the long term but not now.
And Moldova no, Moldova should go to Romania as it is right through history not join ‘separately’.
There shouldn’t be even a debate about it…No more new countries who dont have respect to democratic institutions and human rights!!!!!!
Nope, accepting third world countries Romania and Bulgaria was already a mistake. Ukraine, geoargia and Moldova are divided countries (Eastern Ukraine, Abchazia/South Osetia and Transnistria) Quality above Quantity please. For me Russia can have them, gratuit. Many people in these countries are also orthodox and speak russian so.
These two “third world countries” have economics growth, bud.
Unlike your “so awesome” first world nations. I would keep my mouth shut if i were you.
They have economic ‘growth’ (well, nominal growth anyway) because they have population growth.
That has always been the reality of the ‘western’ system, population growth. Now population growth is levelling off, economic growth is levelling off. Where is the surprise? I’ve always said the western financial-economic system is unsustainable because it is based on the idea of perpetual population growth and keeing the rest of the world relatively poor.
Definitely not. A tax freeze must be placed on politicians who want to increase the size of Europe from what it presently is. In other words, no money should be available to crazed individuals who feel they have the right to play with our lives and society regardless of what the citizens of these States want. And an opportunity to vote out people pushing for this expansion must quickly be on offer as an option to be rid of them from our face.
@Catherine Benning
Yes, for starters a “budget freeze” for the EU to be set by its docile EUP- (which they never will!) The EU’s budget is in “evolutionary mode” (meaning- not fixed, but fixated to increase!) Its own resources limit” is currently set at 1.24% of the Union’s gross national income (GNI).
Better explained here: http://www.eu4journalists.eu/index.php/dossiers/english/C91/391/
Another, but more “imaginary suggestion” would be: a EUP “none confidence vote” into & for the suspension of the EUC, it’s “Executive Commission” & lastly into itself to go on an unpaid “constitutional crises leave- in good faith” (which they also will never agree to!) A temporary hold on all activities- except a “care taker group to switch the EU lights on & off” & a paid Members group to form a “constitutional writing body” to re write & rectify the entire EU multiple patchwork of treaties, articles, statues, agreements & whatever names they created over the last 60 years and consolidate that into a final clear & understandable document- to become the final EU Constitution.
The participants of this “Constitutional writing body” should include & be limited to the “fifteen by now experienced members” after its fourth enlargement in 1995 but before its 5th enlargement in 2004.
Explained here:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Enlargement_of_the_European_Union
Constitutional Guideline: http://www.britannica.com/EBchecked/topic/134169/constitution
That way, the “15 strongest EU members” could reshape- using their experience over the last few decades- and submit a final consolidated new EU document. That needs to be approved unanimously by the core 15 member state’s local parliament first, before adoption. Giving the option to everyone once more for a new design & to opt in or out without penalties, bullying & sanctions!
Again, more brainstorming, better ideas are always welcome!
@Catherine Benning
Agreed, but the EUC does not listen to its citizen! The EU’s budget is in “evolutionary mode”: not fixed, but fixated to increase- currently set at 1.24% of the EU’s GNI) see: http://www.eu4journalists.eu/index.php/dossiers/english/C91/391/
Switching into “imagination mode”:
The EUP to lodge a “motion of no confidence” to suspend the EUC, it’s “Executive Commission” & lastly itself- for creating a constitutional crises, instability & following undemocratic principles & policies. It became a risk to Europe, its citizen & world peace. The patchwork of treaties, articles, statues & agreements dating back to 1950- mainly conceived during the cold war- became a complicated labyrinth, difficult to understand, to control, enforce and only serve the biggest global corporations & banks to the disadvantage of ordinary taxpayers and destroys the fabric of a cohesive & assimilated Europe- under a wrong pretext.
Further, to establish a body to write a new EU Constitution and consolidate that patchwork of treaties etc. into a final fair, clear & understandable document- considering all concerns experienced so far.
The participants of this “Constitution writing body” should include & be limited to the group of “fifteen by now experienced EU members” as they where after its fourth enlargement in 1995 but before its 5th enlargement in 2004.
See: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Enlargement_of_the_European_Union
Approval procedures by all 15 members for a brand new & modern “designed EU Constitution to be added & adopted to their own to follow passing through local parliaments & referendums. …………..Again- better ideas welcome!
@Proactive
Why don’t you say from the very beginning that GDP is your measure of judging other nations ? Now you’re taking. Qatar should make a good candidate for EU membership ?
I would say yes. It doesn’t matter how “poor” they are, that’s a relative measure anyway. Instead, gaining access to natural resources it takes more than a shovel and ax pick. For Europe’s energetic future it’s a small price to pay. Think Big !
Hi Sir,…………..are you sure? One measure of ground coffee only makes one tasty cup of coffee! Do you mean EU’s “energy” future or Mr. Juncker’s wasted energetic future? Are you thinking coup de grace, coup d’etat or a coup of the EU Council?
Thinking big about energy- would mean Russia- or do you control the Euro’s printing presses?
Hi Sir, to you too. Put it this way, the closer to the oil/gas natural reservoirs other than Russia, the better for Europe. Otherwise it’s not worth the effort, just keep paying Putin’s military upgrades or start fracking your backyard. Keep it simple and on track.
@ Ironworker,
If you win the lottery millions and think like that, you will very, very quickly, once again, be a poor man. And once you are poor the likelihood of winning a second time is far less than the first. So count on eternal poverty.
So, to think like you is to have a poor mans mentality. Unfortunately, that thinking will make the whole of Europe a poor mans land, which will only emulate the lands you want to save. Thereby helping no one.
Thank you, we unfortunately have to restrict ourselves to the despised EU enlargements only- not the global energy game, fracking and risk our only source of drinking water. Import drinking water in future instead?
Lets only look & study Georgia’s statistics first- check it out:
http://mecometer.com/whats/georgia/budget-surplus-deficit/
The GDP per Capita (PPP) of Georgia is 6,100 ($) with a global rank of 141.
Unemployment is 15%
The EU will than be in the company of 3rd world countries having a similar total External Debt of Georgia to that of Tanzania, Jamaica, Papua New Guinea, Ethiopia, Kenya, Bosnia and Herzegovina, Oman, Syrian Arab Republic, Azerbaijan, Côte d’Ivoire. Is that attractive?
The GDP per Capita (PPP) of Georgia is 6,100 ($) with a global rank of 141.
Do the same with Moldova & Ukraine and let us know afterwards if the EU coffee still smells like real coffee?
@Catherine
What makes then humanity great achievements ? Selfish small time thinking ? Small and over cautious steps ahead ?
Thank you Ironworker!
I was hoping you checked the whole & mixed basket of available statistics of the 3 countries- as mentioned- not only GDP. Besides our own subjected choices- it is the EU Council alone who decides about our “Europeaness” and who will be next in line- that is the big issue and divides us into pro- skeptic or anti EU camps!
Also- many African/Asian countries have a very high growth rate (from a low base) as well. None of it is a correct measure. After all- only astute interpretations of many factors & sound judgments delivers a reasonable answer!
Hmm, seems like a lot of Europeans miss the point that it is Russia that feels threatened by the free, democratic, open, borderless society that is the European Union (well that’s what the aim is — it’s not perfect). People also miss the point of what the ideals of the EU are & are oblivious to all that has been achieved as it has included more member countries. It was not meant to be a Rich-White-Western-European club. And, let’s not even get started on the racism, xenophobia & discrimination. “Euro-scepticism” is fuelled more by ignorance & an unrealistic world-view than anything else.
Free, democratic, open and borderless. Are you for real?
First of all, the EU is by its very design undemocratic. The ‘ideals’ of the EU, as defined by Monnet at the time (read his biography and read between the lines) were simply this: to abolish national democracy.
We oppose the EU because we are for democracy. I take it you support the EU because you oppose democracy?
@Marcel: actually he is right.
Russia is a HELL HOLE compared to even the WORST parts of the EU.
I suggest you take a trip there to see for yourself rather than spew nonsense from behind your monitor without having stepped out of your even small town!
Russia feals threatened because they are surrounded by the nato.
Russia, largest country in the world, with the largest nuclear arsenal, they’re not afraid of invasion from NATO. The only thing that’s under threat is Russia’s ability to bully and invade the smaller nations on it’s periphery. People say that it’s not longer an ideological rivalry, Russia isn’t exporting communism anymore! The truth is they picked up a new ideology, tyranny! Now Putin is building a new union, a Eurasian Union, all dictators welcome!
@ Peter Castermans:
And they (Russia) are right to feel threatened look at what is already taking place against them. Financial warfare for daring to defend their back door. .
@Dimitri, you are right, it isn’t communism anymore today. This “tyranny” is a similar trend which the West- US/EU pursues. Blocks “US/EU, Russia & China” are today all in competition within a “capitalistic free market system”, to secure resources & capture future markets to safeguard their own growth & prosperity! Competition between such blocks produces tensions & actions which are good & necessary, many are ugly and some very ugly! We citizen on both sides are all just sitting ducks.
Present US/EU policy forces an awakening of Russia’s survival instinct to follow a similar trend as the US/EU’s through expansionism of their potential future markets for their own & their members benefit. In not acting that way, would be a neglect of their governing responsibility to its own population! It is this conflict which has to be managed honestly, fair & amicable by our politicians on both sides- without cheating!
Mr Putin is just responding to Dangerous eu expansion and good for him.
“dangerous EU expansionism” ?
Why is the EU expansion “dangerous” to Russia? Do we bring in freedom and higher societal and living standards and they are afraid their own people will want in?
Is that it?
To all of you who praise Russia so much try LIVING there for a year see how ‘awesome’ it really is.
Stop listening to RT propaganda.
yess.
No, no and no.
Next question.
For those who say yes, I ask: who is going to pay for that? You? We in western Europe are out of money.
Yes, and Russia too.
That would be good, but sadly Putin wants his old cold war status instead of more cooperation. *sigh*
Crayven, your agenda seems to be abolishing national democracy everywhere and establishing this undemocratic federal EU lorded over by unelected politicians who don’t pay income tax?
Plus handing masses of more cheap labor to western corporations, thus further shrinking the middle class and increasing the wealth gap.
Are you a paid corporate stooge?
I think they should join the EU eventually and then preferably together. But only after they have had serious economic and poltical reforms and of course not only them but also the EU which is in need of reform before more countries should join. Both would be in the interest of the joining countries and the todays members. Also it shouldn’t go hand in hand with a NATO expansion since this would endanger relations between the EU and the Russian Federation (RF). It should be seen by the RF as an independent act of the EU and not as one instigated by the US or by other third parties and as an act not directed against the RF.I would like to see in the future an EU acting independent of the US or others and an EU acting only on behalf of the people living in the EU’s member states.
I demand that Bolivia be considered as a candidate member state, as I’m sure some country from Europe trades with Bolivia in some way.
And don’t forget Madagascar, the Philippines and Laos.
Ukraine: no.
Moldova: no.
Georgia: no.
Belarus: no.
Turkey: no.
Unless one of them wants our place, then they can get in so we can get out. Us, Britain and one or two others to leave, and those countries can get in and France and Germany can pay for it all. Just so long as we don’t have to.
Yes I believe they have a right to join should the citizens of the country vote to do so. Who the hell gives Russia the right to bully these states and dictate their policy. During the times they were under russian rule they were plundered and pilaged in every possible respect, treated like dirt and insulted. Putin even mentioned to the American president that he believed Ukraine wasnt even a proper country. Ukranians have the right to be respected. Membership of the EU would be a hard journey to start down for them but one that would bring rewards economic prosperity and a better life for them with laws in place to respect and protect minorities ie Hungarians in transilvania or Slovakia. Russia has been bellicose and has never respected any minorities but referred to them insultingly. When the Ukrainians join the EU as I believe and hope they will they will be treated like equal partners and have investment and financial gain as well as bringing benefits to the EU. I will them the very best of luck in their journey and believe that they will succeed GOOD LUCK. What we take for granted freedom prosperity the Schengen and our life style the people of Ukraine and Moldova and Georgia fight heroically for with bravery determination and great courage they should remind us everyday of the benefits of the EU and NATO
Separate to all the conflict and instability of these regions the EU can only accommodate a percentage of low performing countries which I believe is currently exceeded. So the EU shouldn’t consider further expansion of territory until several lower performing countries reach a high level of development which could take several decades.
No, no and no
Yes they have aright to join the EU as they are our European brothers and sisters and we will be safer and stronger together (“One race,
Many cultures,One place.”) Russia has bullied Europe long enough they destroyed all these countries infrastructure when the USSR had puppet leaders in all these eastern European countries they were responsible for looking after them but only lined there own pockets and built 13,000 WMD which cost billions where they should have built schools, hospitals, houses and industry but instead built military bases which they still do very much in Russia again today. We should welcome in our European brothers and sisters such as Ukraine, Moldova, Georgia, Belarus, Turkey and all the other countries in the that are eligible to join hell even Russia but they need to seriously change there attitude to the world
The eu can’t expand anymore in fact it probably needs to shrink. These three countries can’t join the eu. Unless you let russia in first. Which may take a few more years. They have unrecognised States. Which at the click of a button can be united with russia. And Stalin was Georgian so don’t blame russia for Stalin. But also moldova can’t get out of a bad financial situation because all the labour miagration can’t send money to moldova anymore. So either they will have to bring their families or no jobs. Georgia also has a simmalar problem. Ukraine is worse. A huge exodus is happening there and could literally depopulate the whole East of the country. I do have friends in ukraine and they notice huge cwrods of people shove themselves onto trains huge traffic jams even walking! Going in one direction-russia. Many of them permanent miagrants and not even from Donbass.
Also the people I know are from kharkiv where the russian border is 5kms away.
I feel that as Moldova is so closely connected with Romania. Even same language. It should be made an immediate member of the EU and no delay.
it will be a great country to have in the EU.
DB. Uk
yes,but i guess after a long period of transition,if EU won’t give them a clear message about the membership ,those countries will eventually go back under russian influence
Soon or later all Empires and Unions disappeared…EU is struggling to survive….that is why it needs new 3 countries (patients) to suck the blood from them as long as it gives EU time to think new tactics
Yes.
Yes.
Absolutely! In the long run, Russia should join too.
First Serbia
About Moldova I’m not sure (but certainly not before 2040). Ukraine and Georgia should not be candidates for EU-membership.
Eurasia is the future. TTIP never!
yes
Of course they should, otherwise they will be annexed by Russia…
I may Not Know, we have legal experts and intelligent peoples in Europe better than meoughal which i myself is emulating so far.
Hahaha if they are lunatics, yes!
Should western continue trying to take Russia’s area of influence? Guys, world still works like in the Cold World but instead of two side now there are more. Should we keep doing the same bullshit?
imho.. EU will have to continue to expand or will fade away. So..Yes !
Definitely No!
In a renovated and truly democratic EU definitely yes but expanding the boundaries of EU would need more independence from USA that is using the EU as a tool againsta russia and china
First Albania
YES if its their will to do so.
No. They will only use EU to stir tension against Russia.
The EU is falling apart… Unless something changes (which I doubt) I wouldn’t advise them to join
Yes ..the shoud :) !! Moldova must be the first one !!
Absolutely YES.
Yes!
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They will not be given the choice, as with Ukraine the EU will undermine the elected government & install a pro EU puppet government.
Absolutely yes
Yes! Good looking women there!!!!
It’s up to them. Govs shoud request a poll and people shoud decide.
Yes ! And send Russia an invitation.
If the e.u wants war with Russia then sure.
It’s their rights !
Yes of course! !! Look how happy every 1 is in Greece Spain Italy Portugal Ireland France (very soon)
eventually… not now… in 10-15 years…
…So they all can join the Euro scheme and be sucked off as we all are by the art 123 of the treaty of Lisbon prohibiting the states to borrow money at 0% from their central banks, so as to oblige them to get broke by borrowing it at interest from the private banks run by the plutocrats???
I want them to join EU, more workforce to western countries, more business for western companies in those countries.
Yes!
no.
definitively they should join EU, arent they geografically Europe or what?
I want to wait a bit! This is problematic areas and countries. Georgia is not in Europe either. Russia is also in this area- I dom’t think they will become especially happy for this. We must use time her!
I think the EU should be open to all countries sharing our values. Although I think these values should be discussed.
Decent countries like iceland dont want to join. I don’t want more countries from the east.
europe likes ukranian and georgian gas :D Call dem stupids…
yes
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Absolutely NO! This is wild country!
Sure, If not Georgia will be not anymore country it will be Russia! :) Hurry!
Sure, If not Georgia will be not country! Russia will do same what they did in 2008. War in Georgia! People is ready, country is Ready everything and everyone ready for that. in Georgia! economic and political situation also.!
Sure. And OTAN.
Just because a country resides in an area called Europe, they are only entitled to join. It is not a must act and should be decided by the people.
Just because a country resides in an area called Europe, they are only entitled to join. It is not a must act and should be decided by the people.
Yup. Or rather what’s left of them after Russia picks up its parts.
They’re not ready right now. Maybe in the future.
Maybe the EU. BUT NEVER THE EUROZONE. Dont make that mistake as Portugal did
They are European cultures for the most part that are at risk of being dismantled by Russia, but they have a long road ahead of democratic reforms and modernization efforts before they can hope to be eligible candidates for the EU
Are you serious?
Are you serious?
If they ever meet all inclusion criteria, I don’t see why not. Or on which basis to refuse?
If they ever meet all inclusion criteria, I don’t see why not. Or on which basis to refuse?
if they want and at least try to meet the criteria, why not?
if they want and at least try to meet the criteria, why not?
Well…not as asylum seekers…
Well…not as asylum seekers…
And sticking to some harsh ? rea?ities…
And sticking to some harsh ? rea?ities…
Yes!
yes if they wish so and meet criteria!
Alessandro, you are right, the EU institutions must change, nevertheless it doesnt mean they are bad, we simply must perfect them. And about other countries being under Russia influence, well thats normal when they attack and annex parts of their territory, and we do nothing about it. (dont forget the munich agreements before WW2).
Yes but only for Moldova! Ukraine and Georgia are too far away from EU.
Certainly not now nor soon #EUisus
Too soon for a question like this
if the people of moldova, ukraine and george wanna live free they must avoid UE as much as they can!
And enjoy freedom under Putin’s yoke. Yeah right.
Really guys, when you live in a country where “Russian love” was nonexistent you should at least try to refrain from using words like “freedom” when talking to Easterners.
Yes of course, is only a question of time. The right question is: when Ukraine, Georgia and Moldova will join the EU?
The other option would be a new USSR with Putin in the lead
He is already doing this in Ukraine
YES…
Considering what they should do to be eligible, it could take a minimum of 15 years. In the end, though, there are no alternatives. The neo-stalinist Russia is not even an option. What can they offer? Cheap oil? Cheap vodka? Not enough.
Yes… When they are ready…
yes
no
yes
Yes, so our capitalists could benefit from low-waged labour!!
yes
If they have any sense (like Iceland) they will steer well clear of your unuon.
Ukraine and Moldova yes, Georgia no!!
Georgia is not in Europe, Ukraine too big not ready yet… First settle EU and fill the gap (black hole) in Balkans…….
No
Only the brainless peoples believe that the civilians of these countries, they will have e better life in this corruption EU. This EU belong to the banks and the corporations.
No but we have to keep good relations with them
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NO
Da.
Yes,they must join the EU!
Only Moldova.. we don’t share much with the others, and by the time they get an actual prospect, the EU may not exist..
Yes yes yes!!
Not yet anyway. EU needs time for this. Difficult areas and countries too!
??????? Ukraine and Moldova is certain!
YES
NO
YES YES YES !!! ;) England should be excluded btw !!!
No! They will only loose by doing so ..
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I think that the fact that Ukraine stopped negotiating a possible entry into the EU is quite handily for the EU itself, considering the ongoing situation, don’t you think? On that basis, and given the fact that Ukraine is not a NATO member state, the conflicts in the Donbass are are casually ignored by the EU without any moral or other consequences. This hypocritical behaviour by the EU should be brought to light. If the EU wants to pride itself with being the top humanitarian organization, it should continue debating Ukraine’s entry into the EU and possibly send military assistance to the Ukrainian government. On the issue of Georgia and Moldova I do not see why not they should join the EU, if they are qualified.
Ideally, all European countries would be blessed to join E.U. Because it was built so that WE, all have a wonderful lifestyle and be full of love and compassion for one another. So that WE avoid the World War I and World War II tragedies. Let me talk to you about the paradigm of Greece, the country I was born, grew up at and live currently. We joined and everybody was happy. Our mainly habits though that had to do with nepotism and favouritism and supporting a corrupted public sector, did not change. The countries who blame us now, knew that since in Eurostat results of 2001 we were the number 2 corrupted Country of E.U. (But they kept giving us loans??!!!) Instead of exploiting every single power we had, we gave away our minds, words and deeds to E.U and got loans that made some wealthy politicians. … And we still do. Join E.U. But let us, the insiders, fix it first. And unless we all speak the truth, E.U. will get worse and not better.
No
Yes of course
Yes! When they meet the democratic requirements
If they want to
the EU is a sinking ship. Great time to jump aboard, to help it sink faster
Its their people opinion if they want this calamity union
If they want to and if they meet the membership criteria, absolutely. They are European countries and according to the founding principles of the EU they have the right to membership therefore.
Seriously?E.U bureaucrats haven’t learn their lesson yet?E.U is about to fall down,the gap betwenn the north and the south is getting bigger and you ADMIN of this page are asking silly questions?Why?
Firtstly E.U. has to improve itself,to be a real union,not the tail of the bankers ,build a strong europe and then we are talking about expand.
You made the mistake once,dont do it again…And again,the right question should be ”
Shalll Germany be kicked out of E.U?”
Cause they are the most corrupted.They use their power against the poorer countries.It happend before,it is happening again.Face it and solve it!
this country need to enter n UE
No way!!! hope not!
EU is already overstreched, existing members have to try harder to cooperate and minimize their differences before any thought for new entrances.
Of course not. It is a technical and legal process .
Yes
absolutely!!! Armenia too.
Moldova in 20 years comparing how long the process takes, Ukraine maybe in 30-35 years or give them preferential treatment with the EU because of Russia, Georgia no- cos is not Europe but preferential treatment as well.
No, their economies are too underdeveloped and different from ours.
Yes, absolutely. Their workers will undercut wages in the EU still further, the Brussels/Strasbourg bureaucracy will grow larger, and the Kremlin (not just Putin) will be further destabilized and pushed into pursuing geopolitics by “other means”. Bring it on!
Eventually…
NO.
Yes!
The right question should be, if they want to enter in the E.U.
Join EU? Yes! Join Euro? NO!!!!
Boris kss kss mata mata..
Ukraine was mislead that they can join EU and they had to pay with 6000 civil victims and the country is ruined. Now even if they join EU, lives are lost. Do we need new 2 x 6000 victims from Georgia and Moldova? I think that EU should increase the relationship between the countries that are already members and leave the world outside EU as is, because neutral countries between EU and Russia are guarantee for stability.
The workload is too heavy with Eastern Europe, ex-Yugoslavia countries already IN or in the fridge and other problems as relaunching the Integration process of EU (Eurozone, Federal power, truly Autonomous EU Defense Sovereignty, Secure Neighbourhood Arc (Eurasia-Middle East – Africa)…
Yes! As long as countries are within the geographical borders of the european continent, they all have equal rights and should be able to join in. Equal rights meaning that there are certain conditions required where it comes to democracy, human rights et cetera.
yes, but only when they are actually ready for that
No,perhaps,y es,un that order
why dont you try AELE first ?
Non of them meet basic requirements…
Each European state has a right to do so therefore the only question is when. In my opinion it should be ASAP It is easier to manage democracy when you are in the system
Broader Eu..lighter and less expensive Eu..yes
No! form aliance of your own economic power!! do not submit to the Imperialist nonsens of the EU !!
Yes they should
Yeees they should !!
Welcome to the club!
Putin would never accept it.
All European nations should eventually join the EU. It’s the only way Europe will have a word in the world in the century to come.
????!!
Never!! In No way!! Only if Russia is in the EU..
no.
Yes if Germany and France exit EU.
Only if they are very stupid
Most of Eastern European countries that joined the EU joined in fact the US;
No
Turkey first, because of it’s location and economy. …. Btw EU can not become smaller or face exits, here is the reason why: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C8xAXJx9WJ8
The more the merrier. Eventually we will have a free world without borders.
yes
No one of them meet the basic requirements to be in eu
Yes, Yes and Yes
If they want it and European Union’s countries agree with it, why shouldn’t they…?
Moldovia yes!
First of all… make Europe in a better way. Why should they join a bunch of misfits?
And Russia too, eventually
Yes, they should try to fulfill the criteria.
No they shouldn’t unless you want a country worst than greece plus Georgia is not even relevant since they are not part of the continent
Yes, and Russia too, though 1- It is not recommended for anyone to enter in the actual situation. 2- Both three should improve their human rights record.
Russia always wanted to be part of Europe. And Siberia is the Wild West of the post-climate-change future, with the Arctic Sea as the new Mare Nostrum.
I wish they could join EU as soon as possible
Yes, they should.
Let wait some time to asimilate the transition
If they want to of course
I think they need to really think about it.
And then do wathever they decide…
Yes yes yes. It is hard for Romania to fully intergrate, that’s obvious. For those three countries, will be even harder. But it worths any effort made by EU to integrate any further country.
Europe should be integrated
Yes if they want but they should accept EU democracy and fight against corruption . Greece is a big problem because they don’t fight against crime and corruption. I think EU should have a police force and all new members should accept EU to help them to fight crime and corruption. The Tax Justice Network has said that there are over ?20 billion in Swiss bank accounts held by Greeks. The former Finance Minister of Greece, Evangelos Venizelos, was quoted as saying “Around 15,000 individuals and companies owe the taxman 37 billion euros”. A study by researchers from the University of Chicago concluded that tax evasion in 2009 by self-employed professionals alone in Greece (accountants, dentists, lawyers, doctors, personal tutors and independent financial advisers) was ?28 billion or 31% of the budget deficit that year. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Economy_of_Greece#Tax_evasion
Ukraine NO … Others maybe !!!!
I believe so because these Peoples own to European Civility from thousand and thousand years.
Yes! The triple.
Suicide of Europe!
The European Union, a project of the United States, a competitor to the USSR! Also will collapse soon!
I think Moldova should unite with Romania. Georgia and Ukraine should both join EU and NATO. Of course, as long as all populists in the west don’t explain west would die economically without the union and as long as populist in the east talk only about slavery of easterners in face of westerners then is no chance to relaunch europe.
Welkom to Europe.
Romania and Bulgaria are enough. No, thanks.
Yes but probably it’s better not for now. It’s better to wait for a new euro-russian union with the EU together with Russia and these countries
Georgia and Moldova are small countries, but we need to fix the big like Poland and Ukraine, their economy is fucked up, not to mention Ukraine..
My heart stand by those countries especialy Ukraine but before new members join EU. EU policy has to be more united. I fully regret that project of EU constitution collapsed a few years ago but I keep fingers crossed for much more unity in EU countries. We need it because right now the wests don’t understand the easts, the souths don’t understand the norths but we have to be united and try to work out unity policy against ISIS illegal imigration souths countries most important problem and at last we need to be united against Russia international law violentions and stand by Ukraine support them and all EU citizens have to fight against buried EU project.
Europe should mend its wounds first and define its future path
Of course they should join Europe in the future. First however the EU has to reform into the United States of Europe, with an elected government, parliament, federal and local laws, foreign policy and care for the economically weaker parts of the ‘country’. If we were able to show some more solidarity and if we were able to share our wealth a little better, than the joining of these fragile democracy’s would be no problem at all. Maybe it is time to start to prevail wellness above wealth in politics. I’m sure it would make (almost) everyone feel a little bit more satisfied with society.
The EU has little sense of or commitment to strengthening the democratic foundations of post-communist states. Vaclav Havel noticed quickly that the Czech Republic had little time between emerging from the shadow of communism, and accepting the new orthodoxy of the EU – and its huge acquis.
Aren’t European countries? If they are why not shd they join if and only if they meet or satisfy the criteria
Not ready enough economically speaking but also due to their internal problems (especially border issues) which is a potential security threat for the EU as such.
Eventually they should, when they meet joining criteria (Greece .. ).
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No
Georgia, not yet. But Ukraine and Moldova, definitely.
Speaking as a Georgian, yes, Georgia should join the EU, because yes, russian expansion IS dangerous, if you look back to the history. Observing Georgia’s rather unstable economic,political and even social situation, It is bound to either become a part of the EU or Russia. (Roughly that’s how it is). Being a eurosceptic person myself, I still think it is best for Georgia to join the EU, than be swallowed by Russia, losing it’s autonomy as a result.
they have so many problems to solve first and Europe already has so many to solve…..
No.
Not this kind of EU
Hell No!
Yeeeeeeeesssss
No bankrupt countries with semi-russians in the EU please. Russia may have them. They don’t belong in the EU.
yeeeees! The EU should be an open community.
Of course, they should be helped to eventually fill the gap that countries like Greece or UK could let in the EU. Romania has a strong vision for a new EU, based on solidarity, mutual respect and institutional/NGO cooperation
Romania also has a very bad record for the fraudulent misuse of EU funds and so needs to put its house in order first.
EU should let UK with its way, abandon US policies and start building a better future for all its members and future members. Germany must work with renewable energy in the future and stop making politics after the financial interest.
If they want to (via referendums), and if they satisfy necessary criteria; sure.
yes – if and when the conditions are fulfilled.
Post-crisis European Union should become a decentralized entity with little need for physical expansion and obligatory membership for new economies. If not, then the European Union will eventually lead us to the ?Road to Serfdom?
http://www.vonmisesinstitute-europe.org/post-crisis-european-union-is-disintegrating-by-design/
No as all of them are too far and too unimportant.
also they don’t have anything to add to EU right now but they will consume resources which EU don’t have.
can the EU fund any more broken down old soviet countries.
Yes! Excellent idea
Ukraine definitively yes with his nazist governament
If any country wishes to join the EU and fulfills the requirements to join, they can.
Moldova for sure
Why would anyone want to join the EU, especially after what happen to Greece ?
Any Russia? Or will they always be treated like they’re not European?
not as long as we don’t have an active partnership with russian federation, much better for us than TISA or TIPP, eurasian countries should cooperate for continental infrastructures and ressources, not compete by bringing each other down, which only leads us to US supremacy and EU being a dominion . then the border countries inbetween could be a bridge, not a wall .
The UK pays a lot for the EU, so directly they give more than they get
Moldova should join Romania.
Definitely they should if they so want and if they are ready to follow the principles and values of the EU.
U€ Will disappear in 1.5 years, so this question doesn’t exist.
Is not money, my friend, is huge political, is future, is geopotical issues
Yes
If countries want to join the european idea nobody should stop them. The people looking for the EU do provoke the Russian leaders because they are living in the past, when it was normal to move borders by violence. In the EU borders does not mean that much.
Eventually why not if they want that and fulfil Copenhagen criteria.
No…for sure!
Yes!
Sure. That would save them from future russian aggression
last time ive checked the map … georgia was in asia ….
I thought it was half and half, a bit like Turkey. And why is Cyprus considered part of Europe? Only because it is majority Greek? Who actually defined Europe by the way?
Why not? they are in Europa’s continent
Moldova should unite with Romania, where it belongs. Ukraine and georgia should act like their people want, not like Moscow or Brusseles want (yes, I am that naive I actually believe nations are free to decide on their fate, silly me)
yes
Μoldova yes, Ukraine maybe. If they succeed in getting the ticket, they will finally and irrevocably be free from Russia’s hold onto both these countries, which have for too long been Russia’s buffer and had to put up with the beauro bully. And Greeks, pls this not about Greece again, you spoilt brats. You are going through a painful rehab programme, after years of indulgences (with EU money), and you are now grunging, but, really, this isn’t about you.
Thirst democratisation of the EU and no dictate of big capital, than Russia and all european Post-Soviet countries could become a part of this community!
Easily.
Yes!
No, they can be allies with Russia and they should not Join the EU as Russia will consider this as EU expansion towards its border and a hostile action against it sovereignty. You do not want to Piss Rusia…or there will be a new Crimea in another country.
Europe want 3rd war is this question reformulated.
Never Ukraine without RF. We have to be realist, they have a huge debt 10 time the Greek debt, due mostly due to corruption. They will never reimburse debt, even if they say they want as they always cheat in negotiations, they cannot and it would be the end of EU. We should have in due time split Ukraine in two with a referendum, this would have solved both the conflict issue and the debt issue, as Russia would have taken half of this huge financial gap. No more comments on the geopolitical views which have been defended in the region until now, it is just a disaster, the way Russian natives or mixed family, which are a majority on the East side have been treated, or even have been burnt in Odessa. The hundreds of thousand of refugees who left Ukraine for Russia, that no media speak about, and just now, to give the access of the Odessa port, to US military boats, is just another irresponsible new joke for EU and its future, from the government.
Georgia??? Why not iran and pakistan too?
simply because Georgia is Europe and P and Iran are not. :) genius -_-
I do not think they should.
No.How would EU react if Russia gained back a country of the Ex Soviet Union and decided to sent army or even better missiles?We should respect the feelings of Russia and stop provoking them.Because eventually Russsia will be strong again and then what?
Definitely yes! If Bulgaria can, why Ukraine and Moldova can’t?!
Why not? And why should Russia casus belli be determinant factor on the issue? With this kind of attitude, much of Central and Southeastern Europe would have been left out, without the beneficial process of accession and would have been prey for Russian hegemonism
No,they shouldn’t join the EU !
YES BECAUSE GERMANY NEED MORE MONEY , MORE WORKERS , MORE COUNTRIES !!!!!!
YES and Australia, India, Timbuktu etc.. Germany Wants to Get what it didn`t in World War 2
Ukraine and Moldova are Europe.They suffered enough by USSR and now from Russia.It is Europes duty to offer them a better life!!!!!!!
That’s between them and the germans…
No.
The idea of Europe is big FAKE.The only goal is to ocuppay independent countries ,take their mineral recources and factories for nothing and increase the market for their stock and goods .They first destroy their economy,gives them money that can not return and after that they have cheap manswork.Take for example Greece….
Yes…
If Russia fales down at the pressure of the WEST, say buy to all humans rights and dignity!!!
More markets for west ;)
Why not sort out the existing mess before taking in new countries? Turkey has been applying for membership for years but has so far been kept at arm’s length. Once we have a real single market and a proper fiscal union and a union that is closer to the people we can/should consider new applications but in the meanwhile generous trade agreements should be sufficient.
No, no more countries by now! We have to solve first all our problems.
I don’t think this is a good idea in the present situation… Maybe better create a special union that put together EU, Russia and these countries. Carrying on to be friends with USA but stop to strengthen ever and ever linking with America… i.e. stop to negotiate that stupid ttip treaty
Only if they want to be enslaved to Germany
Yes. Let Germany be their owner and their banker just as the rest of the EU. In 5 years of devastation they will be asking to leave :D
Don’t attack the Russian bear with foolish ideas, the E.U. should stay out of USA-Russia conflict, all inteligent people knowvthat Ucrainian people had better life before the E,U. and Nato promises, before the war! More likely that war can spread over towards the Black sea, because Russia will not tolerate those provoking exercices for long…
no
Russia is the least obstracle at least when it comes to Ukraine. EU should deal with existing issues especially the economic ones in south and eastern Europe. For the time being, the economy of Ukraine is probably in far worse shape than that of Greece, and Ukraine avoids economical reforms by fighting Russia. EU also need to find a solution to reduce the economical gap between the wealthy west and the poorer east before expanding further east.
Should Mongolia eventually join E.U. ? This obssession to enlarge Europe looks at this stage of Integration Fall Out so crazy to EuroCitizens, that any future prospect is nonsensical. Let’s deepening the Union between the foundering memver states of Euroqzone First ! By the electuon of a Federal European President.
Yes for Moldova!! But at this moment is a very dangerous period, so I am not sure if it is a good or not Ukraina and Georgia to join. Definetelly not Ukraina now. These countries should be in NATO as members, if they are not yet. That’s very important! Russia attacks just the weak and vulnerable countries at this moment…
it is NATO the military organization that is provoking Russia. Otherwise it is up to the countries and the EU
Georgia, Armenia and Azerbaijan are definitely Europe too, and just like Ukraine and Moldova, they could and should be members of the EU. (Maybe not now for Azerbaijan, who is not democratic enough, but eventually yes). Strategically speaking, Ukraine MUST become a member, for this is the only protection it would get from Russia.
No.
Moldova YES, Ukraine and Georgia NOT
What a pointless exercise in wishful thinking! Independent of our personal preferences, there is THE REALITY, that is, the EU itself is in a big economic and political trouble and can not possibly afford any new members any time soon!
Ukraine, Georgia and Moldova are European countries that deserve to be part of EU.
Of course. We are the true Europe.
NO…
Ukraine, Georgia and Moldova will be part of EU of day. The sooner Putin’s terrorregime will come an end the earlier that goal will be achieved.
No. Too much confrontation with Russia is not good for the EU as it’s not a global power but just a US satellite establishment.
God help us if they do..
Yes, you are right Stephanie! Before the Ucrainian war, the Ucrain president Janukovich requested to join E. U. without join the Nato! They did not agree with them, because their goal was to “occupy” Ucraine militarily and put Nato troops there, that why all this war started!
Then EU will join to Russian Federation
Astia daca intra in ue,o punem rau de tot…!!!
Bullshit
One day, absolutely! Now…absolutely NOT!
sure more poor countries in EU its not like half of them are almost bancrupt already :/
This is not about Russia. It would be great if even Russia joins somehow Europe or becomes a very good partner to Europe. Those countries are free to make their own decisions and nobody should be stopping them.
why jump on a sinking ship. The EU is on its way down.
Why can’t they form their own – Eurasien Union?
Yeah they should ! Russia want them bow to her decision, but these 3country are free to chose democracy and join EU !
absolutely NOT!
If the EU is used to ” circle” Russia then it should be cancelled altogether.
yes
No!
No
No fucking way.
But offcourse. Why not. :)
No
Should the entire planet,the solar system, galaxies and the universe join as members the EU??? -_-
NO no and no. The EU is already in a deep crisis, there is no need to add to that 3 poor states which on top of that will do their best to engage the EU against Russia.
yes they shoud! but we need to have strong abd true politicians , not the burocrats and populists that we have
No, they never should; the fact that people are even mentioning something so stupid when he EU is in such a diabolical state as it is laughable; the people that are saying “yes, we need the EU, just different people and politicians running it” are a bit silly really; the people running it are the EU, and they will think nothing of manipulating their corrupt and stupid system just to suit their own needs
NO
No they shouldn’t. More German greed , expansionism. I spoke to a Moldavian woman whyle waiting for the plane in a Geman airport and they have been told to stay with the Russians, that they are better. Analising the differences we came to the conclusion that they are far better with the Russians. The wages are the same as in Romania and she was very surprised to hear, that those who have more money , don’t pay any taxis. In Russia those that have more they pay pore taxes.
So they could be driven to financial ruin, even more exploitation, easier human trafficking etc? Do they even want to?
Are they Europeans ;;; do the people of these nations want’s to be in or are the politicians that manipulate them;;
Yes.
The EU is in a very bad shape at the moment. We don’t need new members at the moment.
No
Definetely no. No need for further expansion. The goals of EUROPE are not yet realised in order to be shared with more units.
Do you wanna put gas on Fire ?
Do we have a real Union ?
No Way At All !!!
Europe as a project is braindead. It is still connected to a artificial life machine, but nothing else. Germany once again the gret architect of Europe.
Eventually, yes. After necessary reforms.
Should Sierra Leone join the EU?
NO
If and when they want and fulfill the list of criteria. So eentually yes. That is if the EU exists to see that day.
YES :-)
IMF needs more clients!! Come in people, we will lure you with cultural freedoms, you will be treated with great hospitality in other member states and in the end (coz there will be an End) you will regret the day! IMF is your friend, come closer!!😂😂😂😂
Do you mean, joining the IV Reich?
~ Ukraine, Georgia and Moldova are among Interests & INFLUENCE Zone of Russia… ~ E.U., OFFICIALS, KNOW THAT VERY WELL AND THEY should avoid provoking Russia …~ UNLESS THEY MAKE IT ON PURPOSE TO START W.W.III. ( SOMETHING WHICH SHOULD SERIOUSLY BE, UNDER CONSIDERATION) ~ SIMPLE AS THAT!
Our country is big enough and needs a lot of work before we should enlarge it again. Ne2 states need to adopt the euro right when joining the Union and abandon their military for eu forces.
Not Ukraine
Eastern Germany was under Russian sphere of influence, if you go by that logic and the attitudes of some people on here we should give half of Germany back to Russia. Moldova, Georgia, Ukraine, why do you thing they have all these conflicts and wars with Russia? West simply left them under the Russian thumb after the cold war. It’s eastern Europeans who were under the Russian sphere that won the cold war and dissolved the USSR. Many were able to escape, but some nations are still captive, Russian army and tanks are keeping parts of Georgia, Moldova, Ukraine under occupation. Ukraine said no to Putin’s Eurasian Union, so now Russian tanks are killing Ukrainian civilians, and Europeans have opinions. Ukraine, Georgia, Moldova will all be in the EU, because that is the choice the that the people who live there made. They are free to choose their alliances, and Russia will not make this choice for them. It’s disgusting how some people on here are so eager to give away other peoples freedom. I am Georgian, Georgia is an incredible place, I dare anyone to explore Georgian christian folklore and polyphonic singing and say that it’s not European. How can someone say that Poland is Okay, but Ukraine can’t join. If you ever want to fix broken Russia, you need to start with her neighbors, help those that want to help themselves, I have no doubt that in Time Russia will come around. The flash point now is Ukraine, and Europe needs to do much more to help them.
The more the merrier.
Georgia… Are you stupid! You might as well ask Syria, Azerbaijan, or perhaps Kazakhstan as well… Georgia is not even part of the continental shelf.
lol u know geography well ;)
Europe has enough problems now at the moment before they can consider taking in more
Yesssss!
Absolutely. We DO need suckers
No, they shouldn’t. However, investing in institutional building is key to EU ‘interests’.
A part une éventuelle “provocation”, la question est plutôt de savoir si les conditions y sont pour de telles adhésions…. les leçons du passé sont là… relisons les!!!
No,
No, not yet.
I think that it’d be a better idea to focus on rebuilding the institutional capability and credibility of the EU, which has been seriously undermined by the crisis, instead of expanding towards russia’s borders, which will only be expensive, and geostrategically/geopolitically tough to pull off
Should Russia eventually join the EU ?! ?! ?!
No.
Moldova is Romania.. but divided from mother land by Russian… so i think they can join EU. Georgia is ok but some doubt about Ukraine
Georgia is in Asia. Why, and with which logic, should it join the E.U.?
The most stupid comment I have read in my life. How is it Asian please explain?
Why shouldn’t Turkey join too then? Wait, guys, is this still the European Union or are we making it the Eurasian Union ?!?
Yes!!
If they have the requirements for that, sure .
YES!
Putin says no!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AJQ3TM-p2QI
Ukraine and Georgia NO.
Well, I’m Georgian and therefore I’m European. We are doing everything to prove it. We are fighting for join in EU family. We are fighting to stand our democracy. Historically, geographically we always were part of Europe. Even our mythology is crossed with Greece mythology (I mean Argonauts and Medea). All around the country you can find Roman and Greece culture artefacts dated by 1-2 century AD. Please Europe be wise and don’t let Russia to make us again part of their decaying country.
I agree with you especially with the last part of your comment. EU should act fast to add these countries as members or Russian Empire will do the same as it has always been doing to its neighbors
why did you attack Abhasia in 2008 during the Olympic Games if you’re such a civilized country?
The question is why did Russian Empire attack Georgia which struggles to join EU and NATO? Because they don’t want Georgia, Ukraine and Moldova do develop and be European that’s why
Yes! They are actual European countries.
Of course they will join us eventually, foolish question!
YES !
Take Russia too!!
Yes
Yes yes yes
NO
Νο!
It is in their best interest not to join the EU. We made that mistake, and pay for it everyday.
The EU needs less GERMANY!!! All otother nations are welcome to join.
Ignore russia. It îs evil
Yes, why not?
Yes
Sure, welcome.
No
The EU Yes, but NOT – NATO
No
Georgia is Europe, stupid!
The questions should be:
– should the EU avoid provoking Russia with its outreach to Moscow’s “near abroad? – ABSOLUTELY YES! GET TO A WORKING DEAL FIRST! Then you can ask:
– Should Ukraine, Georgia and Moldova eventually join the EU?
The answer will come out of the “working deal between the EU and Russia”!
The questions should be:
– should the EU avoid provoking Russia with its outreach to Moscow’s “near abroad? – and the answer is – ABSOLUTELY YES! GET TO A WORKING DEAL FIRST! Then you can ask:
– Should Ukraine, Georgia and Moldova eventually join the EU?
The answer will come out of the “working deal between the EU and Russia”!
something you might consider before inviting someone in your union…
http://m.spiegel.de/international/world/a-652512.html
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/georgia/6247620/EU-blames-Georgia-for-starting-war-with-Russia.html
https://euobserver.com/foreign/28747
If I were Ukrainian, or Moldavian, or whatever country near Russia, I would vote a big YES
THINK OF THE YOUNG PEOPLE IN THESE COUNTRIES, HOW MUCH THEY WOULD LOVE TO TRAVEL FREELY, WITH EQUAL RIGHTS, TO EUROPEAN COUNTRIES.
BUT THEY ARE CAGED THERE, in poverty and coruption, no future in sight
If your only concern is Russia, you might as well dissolve the EU
Who should pay to assist that countries? EU can´t help Greece or Portugal…
Georgia maybe no Moldavia and Ukraine yes
with the interference of americans and bas europena conutries will be difficult
No one! In the future, they will join in EAU!
YES … GERMAN NEED MORE MONEY , MORE WORKERS , MORE COUNTRIES TO BE EUROPEAN CAPITAL COUNTRY (still be leave in eu ?)
absolutely NO untile they satisfy the fiscal parameters
Absolutely yes!! I’ve been to Georgia and must say I felt like I was in Europe.
Yes, Ivan Ivan Burrows, they would probably leave their poor countries and their families. Can u blame them ? What would u do if u were born in such a country ?!
Why don t u understand that free travel should be a standard human right ?! We are free creatures, we have the right to choose and aim for a better life.
Ypu are not better than me for the simple fact that you were born British.
I wish I were British but I m not. But I respect all nations, and all indovidual basic rights.
Well, if they don’t join now, in few years it’s going to be tzarPutin’s land, the 2 first countries are already partially occupied by them
If people must die for it – NO!
Romanians left the country long before we were accepted in the EU. almost all of the bright young students filled USA, FRENCH, GERMAN and UK Universities. So, young and highly skilled are already well established in US and Europe, as highly skilled are always accepted and invited. Romanian parents pay big money for education in Europe.
And punishing a people as a whole with interdictions and prejudice, for a bad government is not only imoral and unethical but cruel.
The ones who can t get a proper job and don t have good skills can t make it abroad anyway and return immediatly to the base.
So, we lose, rich countries win. But young and smart have the right to make better lives. Even if, or despite they are Romanians. We are people too and respect developed cultures.
Yes, welcome.
In the last seven decades, Western Europe worked hard to build themselves up independently. They did not rely upon outside economic support to become modern, wealthy, peaceful and free. Certainly, financial support would not have been possible in any situation such as we have now, with unprecedented depression/recession occurring within the last decade.
Bottom line, after doing the hard yards independently, Western Europe should feel under no obligation to support the economic integration or development of its neighbours, should they desire it. There are no historical examples of any such plan having positive results for any nation anyway.
The west Balkans should join first.
Better question: Who will pay hundreds bilions of $ (euros) for that??? ;-) EU taxpayers will not like this perspective …. ;-)
lol not
Are you sure they want? :-)
There are these days more people thinking of going out then in. Like Britain. Greece, even the frikking Finish are considering. Here in Portugal the enthusiasm has also fade away a bit.
I don’t think we should. Last time NATO discussed membership of Georgia, Russia occupied 1/5 of Georgia. And nor EU or NATO did anything. So please stop this debates. We can live without EU
Georgia as well as Ukraine and Moldova will join EU whether you want it or not. Because they are European people, European culture and they have the right to do so when they are ready. As of Russia, I don’t think they will be capable of attacking anyone in future because that empire is coming to an end
Yes Off curse
MOLDOVA AND GEORGIA YES. Moldova as part of Romania! :) Because Moldova is not a country. They are Romanians and speak Romanian language.]
Yes they should. I dont know about moldovians but the rest they should
Europe yes 100percent.Euro NO.
let the people decide
No they should not at least for a while!What about the Russian Federation?
yes, – if and when they fulfill all conditions, which will take time.
YES :)
Absolutly No!
Of course they should join. Europe should start caring about European civilization and values, not about „provoking” an aggressive neighbor who is only looking for „provocations”.
If their peoples want to, they have the same right as the older states that joined the EU.
I really think they should. Ukraine and Georgia are culturally European countries. But, due to they are alone, they are partly occupied by foreign (Russian) forces, who (unofficially) gave weapons (remember the Malaysia Airlines Flight 17 almost sure shot by a Buk surface-to-air missile, SA-11: see link 1 [1]) and it is a fact that Russia is sending mercenaries and soldiers [2][3] (as it happened in Crimea, confirmed by Putin [4]), plus a strong brain washing through propaganda [4][5][6]: it looks like in rebel areas, Ukrainian and International media were turned off, and Russian propaganda media was put in their place (before people felt Ukrainian, now a strong Russian nationalism is up [8]; and if you think different, you know what is going to happen with you -they attacked journalists in Donetsk); and I heard similar things about filtering the Internet access, as they do in Russia [9].
The problem is that Putin want to rebuild Russian Empire, and that includes Kiev [10], Baltic countries and probably Poland and even Finland (St. Petersburg was Fins’ land -some still there, others were sent to Siberia by Stalin) [11]. We should stop this before it’s too late.
Supporting information:
[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Malaysia_Airlines_Flight_17
[2] http://www.theguardian.com/world/2015/jan/19/russia-official-silence-for-families-troops-killed-in-ukraine
[3] http://www.reuters.com/article/2015/05/27/us-ukraine-crisis-russia-military-idUSKBN0OC2K820150527
[4] http://news.nationalpost.com/news/world/vladimir-putin-admits-for-first-time-russian-troops-took-over-crimea-refuses-to-rule-out-intervention-in-donetsk
[5] http://www.baltictimes.com/news/articles/34554/
[6] http://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2014/03/ukraine-putin-tv-and-the-big-lie-104261.html#.Vb8WGfmqpBc
[7] http://www.stopfake.org/en/russia-s-top-100-lies-about-ukraine/
[8] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2014_pro-Russian_unrest_in_Ukraine
[9] http://resources.infosecinstitute.com/russia-controls-internet/
[10] http://curiousmatic.com/russia-ukraine-conflict-explained-10-maps/
[11] http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/vladimir-putin-wants-to-regain-finland-for-russia-adviser-says-9224273.html
Very interesting
Sim todos os povos devem serem libres p poderem escolher o seu próprio destino com o máximo de liberdade nunca pelo poder das armas
no
Now it might not be the best time and these countries are not ready either. In a long term perspective for sure!
Should Россия join the EU?
If they wish to do so. Join the European Union, Not a €uropean Union as it is now…
Yes yes yes
E porque não?
The answer is YES. All three countries (Georgia, Ukraine, Moldova) are European and they have the right to join EU. In spite of Russian Empire don’t want them to they will join EU eventually. It’s just a matter of time.
Yea, it will continue with new countries on and on. Because policy of brusels is to rape all new members, acquire state owned businesses such as electric or water, destroy agriculture, shut their mouth with eurofunds and make them completely dependent slaves. germany 3rd reich version 2. Very elaborate ! Sure there are good things, but from the greater picture, its turning into something nobody of us want or like.
I hope for them that they wouldn’t.
It is up to them. It would be a big mistake for them as it was for my country though. Morw than joining they shoud look of how degrading is to be part of the EU and how it is under lobbyist and corruped handa of corporativist ideals.
Not if they know what`s good for them.
Ukraine and Georgia are good but I’m skeptical about Moldova for their corruption scandals and living standards for the public.
Ukraine is the one country of these I would consider as European
If you want war with russia go forward…no way
they’d better join Russian Fed, so should our countries traped in EU.
No
.
Yes they should, for no other reason then it will teach them what a 21st century dictatorship is really like.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3433235/Brexit-campaign-given-9-point-lead-David-Cameron-kick-starts-EU-charm-offensive-Poland-Denmark.html
Ask Russia to join. We need Russia, Russia needs (the rest of) Europe!
No, because the EU should be dissolved.
HELL NO! Are you out of your mind!???
yes…with more work done they should…like Russia in a far away future… when it stops dreaming of an empire
These countries have signed an agreement between them and with Russia. We knows that there is an “info war” against Russia, but the facts are there https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Commonwealth_of_Independent_States_Free_Trade_Area and therefore, our ” policy maker with no less bright advisers” should use their experience to establish new trade agreements in respect of what has been already signed before for free trade between several countries, under reference. This will in particular 1) avoid to cause local population (2 regions of Georgia, + Transnitrie) to ask for secession as it already happen for Crimea, and has caused the war in Donesk. 2) Build the continent trade, until Moscow which is economically very relevant and what US fear, this will also help to move to a non chemical and non GMO food supply, as Russia moved now totally by renouncing to these kind of food and might help also to simplify the complexities of our norms acting as barriers and not real improvements.
Well, these countries had got a chance to become EU members just as they signed the EU Association Agreement. But it is only the chance which could be a reality only in some 30-35 years
http://www.atlanticcouncil.org/blogs/ukrainealert/ukraine-could-join-the-european-union-by-2030
35 years we’ll have a colony on Mars. I can’t predict next 10 years. Russia’s invasion of Ukraine put the foot down on an accelerator, I’m just not sure in what direction but it won’t be in Russia’s favor.
#Ukraine will create an independent Euro-division.
In postwar history, annexation of a part of a sovereign
country’s territory to aggressor state has no precedent.
USA CREATED EURO ARMY to half a Million an INDEPENDENT FINANCIAL SYSTEM!
Russia’s aggression against Ukraine has led to RF international isolation,
including NATO’s suspension of all practical cooperation with Russia.
#Referendum: Return Status Nuclear !!!
Not before they have settled all their territorial disputes and aggression. Otherwise, they would bring EU into war. Same as Turkey, it has deeply involved in regional conflicts of the Middle East. There is no reason Europe should accept Turkey so as to drag EU into conflicts of the Middle East. When the America is trying to break up EU, adding more unstable member states would break up EU even more quickly.