farage-grilloThe results of the 2014 European Parliament elections may be in, but it could be weeks before their full impact is understood. In the meantime, the balance of power may yet shift dramatically as tough negotiations take place to decide the make-up of the various political alliances that form the European Parliament.

These alliances (particularly the smaller ones) all want the same thing: to be officially recognised as a “parliamentary group” according to the rules of the European Parliament. With official recognition comes prestige and (more importantly) increased funding and guaranteed speaking time. But the threshold for recognition is tough: all groups must include at least 25 MEPs from seven different EU Member States.

The influx of populist and anti-establishment parties that have entered the parliament includes over 60 new MEPs who have yet to declare their political alignment one way or the other. It is these MEPs that the more established parties are currently trying to woo over.

Surprisingly, the competition is fiercest between the various eurosceptic parties. Despite all of them being against the EU to varying degrees, many of the eurosceptic parties don’t want to sit with parties considered “extremists” by their national constituencies. So, for example, the new German eurosceptic AfD party doesn’t want to sit with UKIP, whilst UKIP refuses to sit with the French Front National and the FN can’t stomach the neo-Nazi Golden Dawn from Greece.

All of this jostling can lead to the most unlikely of allies. And so we see the leader of Italy’s anti-establishment 5-Star Movement, Beppe Grillo, is currently in negotiations with UKIP’s Nigel Farage about joining forces. On paper, this would seem to be a strange partnership: Grillo campaigns against the privatisation of water utilities whereas Farage supports free markets with minimum state interference; Farage denies climate change whereas Grillo favours ecological sustainability; Grillo supports same-sex marriage whereas Farage does not.

Recently, we spoke to Andrea Bonanni, Brussels correspondent for the Italian newspaper La Repubblica about the election results in Italy. He told us he believed that if Beppe Grillo did join forces with Nigel Farage it could split the 5-Star Movement’s support base:

bonanniThis is going to be a big, big, big problem for Mr Grillo. We know he was already in contact with Mr Farage before the elections, and they met in Brussels after the elections, and we know that Mr Grillo is in favour of forming a group with Mr Farage. But I think that a majority, or at least a significant minority, of 5-Star Movement voters don’t want that. Mr Grillo got plenty of votes from the left-wing of the political spectrum. So, they’re going to have an internet referendum on whether they should join with UKIP or not, and maybe they can win a slight majority, but they risk losing a large part of their voters.

One of the most surprising results from the elections was the unexpectedly strong victory of Prime Minister Matteo Renzi in Italy. We also asked Andrea Bonanni why he thought Beppe Grillo didn’t make more of a “political earthquake” in Italy:

bonanniOn the one hand, people were scared by Grillo. He’s very aggressive verbally. He threatens that Italy will leave the euro – he is threatening to have a referendum on Italian membership of the euro – and I think the vast majority of Italian voters still want to stay in the euro. On the other hand, you can see a similar phenomenon playing out in other European countries, where anti-EU parties did less well than expected.

I would say that the most anti-Europe and populist successes were not in the so-called “PIIGS” countries, not in the Southern European countries, not in the countries that suffered most from the financial crisis. Rather, they were in France, Britain and Denmark. And the countries which have undergone very heavy sacrifices in order to keep the euro were the countries where the pro-European parties scored better.

Will the eurosceptic parties in the European Parliament be able to work together? Or is nationalism the biggest challenge to nationalist parties getting along? Why did many of the countries that have suffered most in the Eurozone crisis, including Italy, vote for such pro-European parties? Let us know your thoughts and comments in the form below, and we’ll take them to policy-makers and experts for their reactions.



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  1. avatar
    Jovan Ivosevic

    How? UKIP won’t go into the Front National led parliamentary group (if they did, the charge that they are the same as the BNP will stick) and neither will likely be permitted to join the tory led “reform” club. Meanwhile they need 25 MEPs from 7 countries to start their own club and they don’t have anyone else who can join them, except maybe the AfD.

  2. avatar
    Karel Meijer

    het is een schande voor de huidige politici dat dit kon gebeuren een zwarte dag in Europa!

    • avatar
      Tarquin Farquhar

      @Karel Meijer
      Its a black day for Europe when outright fascists are voted-in by the likes of the Germans, French and the Dutch.

      FYI: No fascist parties were voted-in in the UK.

      SHAME on continental Europe!

    • avatar
      Marcel

      De echte schande is de ondemocratische Eurosovjet Unie! Weg met kameraad Barroso en neofascist van Rompuy.

  3. avatar
    Xavier Schoumaker

    A totalitarian clown and a bankster clown doing hypocrisy together.
    After the Molotov-Ribentropp pact, nothing should shock anyone in politics.

    • avatar
      CarloV

      where do you take this infionormation? Totalitarian Beppe Grillo ? Are you jocking? Main problem in italy are the media!. As reported by “freedom house” org we are only a State with a partially free press… very bad. Our Media (mainly TV and newspaper) are able to talk only in the worst way about Grillo!

    • avatar
      Marcel

      Says a friend of the undemocratic Eurosoviet Union, the #1 threat to democracy, liberty, wealth and sovereignty in all of Europe.today.

  4. avatar
    Guillermina Mebor

    Not all of them are the same. We should not lump all the eurosceptic parties together, since some of them only want a different European Parliament, not its elimination.

  5. avatar
    Joaquim José Rocha

    Think so. They win elections in their countries. And they know that they need to score points in European Parliament. They have some points in common: the destruction of the E.U. and Euro, the immigrants, divide to conquer and bring chaos. Portugal has a example of married egos: Paulo Portas and Cavaco Silva. Look at them!!!!!!

  6. avatar
    Patrice Puchaux

    Good joke >:o Eurosceptics can’t work together they won’t be able to have any group in EU parliament.

  7. avatar
    Jason Pi

    Hmm…Grillo is near finished, for Farage it’s only the beginning…(if the NWO don’t succeed in eliminating him as before).

  8. avatar
    Ana Georgieva

    I really thing British are fascists, look how they discriminate our Romani people, who came from India during the Ottoman occupation, a long time ago in 15th century AD. At the same time they themslves have millions of immigrants from the same place – India. They provoke only xenofobia and hate between people, disgusting, owful people, cruel people, extreme cruel people. So, the far they stay from EU the better, they do not produce anything, they are lasy, they only exploatate people, and profit from helping Americans in their wars and finansial speculations. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HZWWoUNzZ1M

    • avatar
      Tarquin Farquhar

      @Ana Georgieva
      Oy! Stop trying out your comedic material on this serious debating forum.

      Everyone knows that the Badlands, sorry I mean the Balkans [or at least one or two countries situated in said geographic region] will be a great place to live in, once the corruption, intolerance, racism, crime, legal system, police forces, judiciary, arrogance, criminality and fair-mindedness are raised to that of a Northern EU net contributor country.

      :)

    • avatar
      Tarquin Farquhar

      @Ana Georgieva
      Why don’t you form a Balkan Union and get out of the EU?

      Just think of it, similar levels of corruption, racism, unfair-mindedness, disrespect for rule-of-law – WHAT A WINNER!

      PS: Some of my mates have stopped going to certain Balkan states already as they prefer to go to superior countries for a holiday like North Korea, Iran, Somalia, Iraq, Afghanistan or Zimbabwe. :)

      PPS: I would still like to visit Greece [the cradle of Western civilization] though.

  9. avatar
    Francesco Leggio

    I think of yes because N. Farage could win national election in Uk so he could solicit to change the economical decision in Ue as Premier too.. but now some of you can explain to me why greek, irish, spanish and other european persons had to pay with their jobs, their factories and their savings this global financial crisis? Did you forget who decided to leave Greece alone with troika? I think last europarlament was more eurosceptic than Grillo and Farage..they are only not “germancentric”

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      Tarquin Farquhar

      @Ana Georgieva
      You clearly dislike Roma – why are you so HATEFUL toward Roma?

  10. avatar
    Pedro Redondeiro

    Personnaly i would ban both! Accepting far right wing parties into the EP is a threat to the european ideals of democracy!

    • avatar
      Tarquin Farquhar

      @Pedro Redondeiro
      You clearly do not understand UK Politics.

      UKIP is NOT far-right, it has black and Asian members!

      UKIP only wants to introduce immigration controls on EU continentals JUST as it does with the RoW.

      Seems only fair to me.

    • avatar
      Bert van Santen

      Since when does the EU holds ANY form of democracy??? All EU politicians are puppets on a string tied to Berlin. Not one single politician dares to say the truth. Afraid to damage his or her future career!!!

  11. avatar
    Steve Macri

    Francesco this crisis was worldwide.It is a re shifting of manufacturing from North America and Europe to Asia. We in the US lost 8 million high paying technical jobs and the new jobs created are service oriented at a much lower salaries.

    • avatar
      Tarquin Farquhar

      @Ana Georgieva
      That’s the best Bulgarian song I can recall ever hearing!

      Come to think of it, it’s the only Bulgarian song I can recall hearing.

      BTW, she is definitely a good looker, much better than the bearded female Bulgarian shotputters we use to watch on TV at the Olympics a few years back.

  12. avatar
    Ana Georgieva

    Nooooooooooooooooo, they are coming! At list two-three millions, to dance to you! All they long they dream about you and how to come to your rainy, ugly countries.

  13. avatar
    `crayven

    who cares?
    A fascist clown and his rich banker ass-kissing friends?
    Please…

  14. avatar
    ironworker

    Are y’all prepared for a 5 years circus ? Or 5 long ones stand up comedy monologue ? I recon that browsing a month before EU elections and couple of weeks after the online british media, especially the readers and activists comments, it gives me nausea. Lord Have Mercy !

  15. avatar
    Kevin

    Being a member of a pan European party is as you say a requirement of funding and ‘talk time’ within the Parliament debates. We therefore see groupings of parties that would not sit well together by choice but rather by need .Eurosceptic and anti EU parties given their numbers have little choice than to band together and get on with it . Its the EU rules , not theirs .

  16. avatar
    Rudi Spoljarec

    If they would have joined together , they would be irrelevant anyway. Grillo do not count a lot in his own country

  17. avatar
    catherine benning

    What a good idea that is…. And if they scrutinise the manifesto of Alexis Tsipris party and take the best from that, paying extreme attention to being out of NATO and curtailing the IMF, they will be the most popular group in the game. From the peoples point of view that is.

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      crayven

      Like that’s ever going to happen. Nigel sucks corporate ass and Grillo is an authoritarian fascist.

      Come to think of it, the election of these fascists is actually a good thing.
      They are like a vaccine:
      The immune system ( the mainstream parties ) are still strong that the fascist virus cannot destroy them but posses a challenge.
      Like a virus they will die off when the people see they have no done anything in 5 years ( because they won’t ever have majority ) and their support will wane.
      The immune system will be back on top and the virus killed off…until the next “mutation” – at which point it will need a new vaccine.

    • avatar
      Tarquin Farquhar

      @Catherine Benning
      ‘…being out of NATO”!?!?!?!?

      Cuckoo!
      Cuckoo!
      Cuckoo!

  18. avatar
    Nikolaos Sotirelis

    You’re concerning a lot about eurosceptics, but you don’t seem to concern about the causes of their rise. The tragic results of prolonged austerity and the increasing deficit of democracy leads EU straight to dissolution.
    Last example, although I don’t like Juncker very much, although the 2 biggest parties EPP and S&D agreed to support Juncker as president, although he belongs to the same party with mrs Merkel, according to Spiegel, mrs Merkel will not support him.
    She doesn’t want an elected from the parliement President, because the power and its control might “transfered” from her.
    Mrs MERKEL WILL SUPORT MISHEL BARNIER FOR PRESIDENT!!!
    EUROPEANS VOTED… BUT MERKEL DECIDES!!!

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      catherine benning

      @Nikoaos Sotirelis:

      If, as you say, this is who Ms. Merkel will back, he is way better than Juncker. He is more in tune with her way of thinking so would be an natural choice. For her, he would be a good move. Not to mention he’s good looking. Always a plus. Male or female.

      However, from the point of view of the French, he is presently a lot too right in his political and economic thinking. She should really show she can be more radical and unite Europe by bringing in a politically left wing thinker (not Shulz) as presently unity is far more necessary than political allies. Plus, it needs an economic counter to the hard right wing leaning of US influence. Which has not helped European states drag themselves out of the ashes of 2008 in any substantial way and cannot do so. As can be seen by the mess the US is in economically and socially. Anyone who repeats the same mistakes and expects a different result is stuck in a mindset of continual downward repetition.

      http://www.euronews.com/2013/10/25/interview-with-european-commissioner-michel-barnier/

      Nevertheless, this guy certainly is more acceptable than the previous suggestion.

    • avatar
      ASYNEPIS

      Dear Catherine, my comment was about democracy deficit in Europe and not about persons!
      Personally I consider both choices for garbage. But when people vote, but decides a third person, then something is rotten in the “kingdom”… of Europe!

  19. avatar
    Paul X

    @ Debating Europe
    Quote
    “The influx of populist and anti-establishment parties”

    I suggest you stop using populist in such a derogatory sense, populist is what the people want rather than the arrogant, dictatorial self important bunch of non-entities that reside in Brussels

    ….and I suggest you replace “anti-establishment” with “anti-elitist”

    • avatar
      Tarquin Farquhar

      @Paul X
      Agreed. DebatingEurope besmirches its own name by failing to be objective when DE comments on this website.

    • avatar
      crayven

      Why?
      Afraid they will expose the true nature of these groups as POPULIST and xenophobic AGITATORS?
      Oh boo-hoo “dear DE, i am so butthurt that you called my racist club..racist..i am going to stop commenting here…boo-hoo-hooo”

      There’s the door. Take Tarquin and Marcel with you also.

    • avatar
      Paul X

      I suggest you find the door to the local library and look up the word populist to see what complete nonsence your reply makes…so majority public opinion is xenophobic and racist?

      …and Agitators?…yes I agree with that one, that is exactly what is needed, people who will agitate the cosy little world the EU elite have created for themselves…you may be happy with the status quo but I think it is you who are in the minority

    • avatar
      Tarquin Farquhar

      @Crayven
      Objectivity doesn’t seem to be on your radar judging by your last pot.

      BTW, if your derriere is in a state of disrepair might I suggest you engage the services of a proctologist. But please be warned, he might have difficulty ascertaining which end is which given your verbal coprophilia.

  20. avatar
    Stefania Portici

    ma perch date Grillo come euroscettico? Non lo e’ e Farage e’ gia’ fuori dall’euro. Almeno dite le cose come stanno

  21. avatar
    Daniele Scaramelli

    Well, I am an Italian, Grillo is a clown, doesn’t know anything about anything, is a populist and he’s certainly anti EU, a bit xenophobic and quite close to the position of the Lega Lombarda. Take your own conclusions.

    • avatar
      Mark II

      ??? What are you talking about? “a bit xenophobic”? Close to the position of the Legal? Are you serious? As an Italian you should be very careful and about what you are writing. A lot lot of misinformation here. As they wrote it is a” fascist”. Unbelievable. Please go to the M5S site and inform about before write something like that. We proclaim all of us European but we don’t know anything about other cultures and politics, we are not informed and very very superficial. And about their possible alliance I still don’t know too much to give an opinion, but in fact their programs seems very similar in a lot of points.

  22. avatar
    Paolo Pedone

    Attenzione , il ” grano saraceno ” dei grillini penta-rincoglioniti nei ns. alimenti con cereali .., come il pomodoro , il mais , ed i fichi d’india nella salsa e nella frutta ( tutti di provenienza americana )..! Ma il cd.” grano saraceno ” latino DOC al 100% ..Il grano saraceno ( Fagopyrum esculentum ) una specie di piante a fiore appartenente alla famiglia delle Polygonaceae . Il nome scientifico Fagopyrum deriva dalla combinazione del latino fagus ( faggio ), per via degli acheni triangolari simili a quelli delle faggile , e dal greco pirs ( frumento) . una pianta erbacea , annuale , compie il suo ciclo biologico in 80-120 giorni . Raggiunge un?altezza che varia , a seconda delle variet, dai 60 ai 120 centimetri . Per le sue caratteristiche nutrizionali e l?impiego alimentare , questo vegetale stato sempre collocato commercialmente tra i cereali , pur non appartenendo il grano saraceno alla famiglia delle Gramineae , in quanto il termine cereale non botanico e scientifico bens merceologico e letterario .

  23. avatar
    Mathias Darmell

    This is a very interesting question! European problems need real European solutions. Not EUCO solutions, but truly European, democratic solutions. All power comes from the people!

  24. avatar
    Roby Tutuarima

    if the problem means europe european economic review, democracy, money and travel, to issue preferred candidates and pleasure one another, what you give and what would I give not always well balanced, if it makes economic policy more fairly well-being of the people of Europe that always wanted to go and enjoy something new or at least antique. This is the circle temperament Europeans with more or less the whole day to fill his life. by roby Tutuarima

  25. avatar
    Gregorio Boretti

    I am Italian and voted for Tsipras List (so, none of the two competitors the article refers to).
    First of all, it’s due to Grillo’s wrong campaign. He transformed the competition into a choice between him and Renzi:the result is that every Grillo hater – people disgusted by his rude language, scared by his “people’s courts” against journalists in case of victory, angry with the absence of democracy inside his movement – voted for the democratic party, even if centrist or centre-right wing, in order to stop the M5S.
    Secondly, Renzi is a popular politician. He’s managed to show himself as new, fighting against the old politicians, including the ones in his own party. He resembles a lot to Tony Blair when he was still popular. And so he gave the impression of being a “europeist change”, against austerity, but not against the EU. This, in a traditionally pro-European country as Italy is, made the difference. For the while, at least…

    • avatar
      Mark II

      Come on… Did you read what you wrote about Renzi? I supposed you live in Australia to write similar things.
      Nothing that he promised has been maintained. Already missing the covers for the 80 euro for the vote trading with Italians. If you do not like Grillo, ok, but please try to be objective that there is far too much confusion aboard to what I read. Do not export either our way of writing things at random without any reliable source.

  26. avatar
    Ana Georgieva

    Because we are not hipocrits nor fanatics, that is why. We are Old Europe, we are Europe – Thrace, Greece, Illyria, Macedonia, Dacia, Romans.

  27. avatar
    Stefania Portici

    Eurosceptics do not vote a parliament that can not ‘legislate. The turnout has prevailed on all parties.

  28. avatar
    Stefania Portici

    Renzi and not ‘been elected by anyone dear Gregorio the Government Renzi and’ the third Italian government not elected by the citizens. The political program was roughly the same for both of Renzi M5S …. where and why ‘Eurosceptic party between the 2?

  29. avatar
    Michalis Pillos

    Because Young Europeans are shrewd, objective and decisive! Things are changing in Southern Europe and populists or pseudo-nationalists are not a desirable movement!

  30. avatar
    Gregorio Boretti

    Stefania Portici the fact the two programmes were hydentical is absurd. They had almost anything in common.
    The government in Italy has never been elected directly by the people, since we are a Parliamentary Republic. Then, if you want to say Renzi’s behaviour towards Letta was terrible, I agree with you, but it’s out of topic. The fact is that Renzi is popular and has been perceived as new…even if I – and I guess you too – don’t like him.

  31. avatar
    Stefania Portici

    Gregorio, they Eurobonds. Not only in their common but almost all parties. Who ‘Eurosceptic want more’ euro or want to leave the euro?

  32. avatar
    Jovan Ivosevic

    I don’t support either politician or their beliefs, but I think the reason UKIP was so much more successful is because of much more concrete strategy. People who voted UKIP knew exactly what they were getting out of their vote – tell Cameron no to more Europe, make Cameron to fight harder to renegotiate Europe, and make Labor more euroskeptic before the next election.

    Grillo in Italy promises putting politicians in jail and reforming the system from the ground up with no indication this new system can somehow make everything magically different overnight. Plus any Italian over the age of 12 knows that to do this, Grillo will need absolute majority in parliament (he doesn’t want to go into coalition) and it will be impossible for him to get those votes… so they prefer not to throw their votes away. As a result, they voted for Renzi.

  33. avatar
    Steve Macri

    Pragmatism usually triumphs in Italy. When one lives in a country that corrupt only a pragmatist can survive.

  34. avatar
    Vincenzo Benincasa

    I apologize in advance if I made errors in English & you don?t understand me?

    The corruption of Italy has returned to the footlights on the strong powers table of European Union. They speak about the cost of corruption that burdens on the Italian contributors: hundreds of billions of Euros per year? The corrupt ones and the bribers burn money as the old vapor locomotives from beginning ?900 did with the coal… and they pollute too, that is they also contaminate the last remained honest ones!
    It?s obvious that corruption is a common evil to all the States members of European community, but in Italy it reaches mastodontic levels. The corruption of Italy has millennial origins, if we are agree that the beginning of western civilization coincides with the development of Roman Empire. Corrupt ones and bribers live among patricians, senators and Emperors of Rome, they didn’t disturb money conquered beyond their “lex”. In fact they wrote the law and therefore they could revolve it better. An Emperor, Vespasian August, said: “Pecunia non olet!?. Then He repeated that to how many were disgusted in receiving dirty money, money drawn by slight noble situations.
    In the medieval age, it was almost in a primitive social state and corruption became synonymous of Barbaric incursions. The strongest and bossy ones established their personal laws and all the other people had to be subjugating under death?s punishment. In the Renaissance, the papal and ducal corruption reached almost refined and modern levels like nowadays. The gold and the precious gems were hunted by who had elevated positions. The prelate behaved worse than lazzaroni of Naples streets taverns: it stole money and it was surrounded of bad women. The dukes and the knights didn’t fight for ideologies, but for money, for ransacking and to cash in. Moreover, during the Risorgimento, some centuries later, the loot was made by Piedmont of Savoias in damage of the Two Sicilies: Cavour knew well how to plot the briber tactic that got off the military and politic stability of Bourbons secular dominion. And the corruption reigned then in the Parliament of the new Kingdom of Italy. The regal decrees moved all the money, all the enterprises and all the powers to Northern States: it was born so the “quistione meridionale!” There was diffused poverty in the South of Italy it forced millions of subjects, in following decades, to emigrate toward foreign countries and particularly toward the North and South America. In the North of Italy, so they began to build new industries with the penny of Risorgimento?s loot. Italy, a few years before the Great War, was defined new industrial power. But a greed of power toward foreign countries by capitalists and industrialists, as well as of nobles and how many gravitated around the Parliament of Fascist Italy, it brought us the war and the devastation in our house. And so, in the postwar period the cards were shuffled in the Parliament of republican Italy and new corrupt ones and bribers established their law, behind benevolent cover-ups and fake ideological-politic opinions. The corruption of Italy has, therefore, these origins, because who reaches elevated public positions or for overbearance or for public recognition he wants the power on the people, he wants much more money than he was allotted, he wants to show its undue wealth. And the European Union must be careful ?cause the corrupt ones and the bribers grind money, they burn money as the coal of the old vapor locomotives from beginning ?900! And… they pollute as I said!

    Italy has never been so united and homogeneous about frauds and robberies, illegality and corruption. We live and lived, as I already said elsewhere, as in the best films of Neapolitan Tot. However, Anthony De Curtis was a comedian and made to laugh both during the war and later. The Italians don’t make to laugh anymore. Those who get up fierce in the morning with conjecture to go working. Those who feel “fighi” (freak) because they belong to protected groups. Those who have titles of study and important positions. Those who ask for favors, those who are recommended, those who always operate dishonestly without being punished. Those who ask for money only to get papers and stamped “scartoffie” (public documents). Those who practice off limits & off topics charges. Those they?re children of… they get nominations and recognitions without any canon of worth. Those who always escape from troubles through dialectics and resonant voice tone. Those who boast friendships in the high stairs of executive rooms of the world?s super powerful persons. Those who display honesty whereas they?re able of stabbing you to the shoulders only for one more look. Those who organized against who seems different from them. Those who believe they?re above the mass and they possess villas of luxury totally unknown to the inventory and erario, automobiles and dizzying boats invisible to PRA (public registrars) and the insurances, secret accounts that are not subject to the banks national rules. Those who, when revealed in flagrancy of crime, call lawyers, judges, police officers and financiers for arranging everything in the best ways. Those who contaminate the honest ones and they stop them in the profitable job for community. Those who make noise, they display power and comfort and they insult the honest “poor cristi” of being begging gypsies. Those who don’t give value to the money because they steal it too much and they squander it for insipid things. Those who embarrass the poverty, they use the political ones to legislate really for self-advantage and against all the people, to which they continually ask for sacrifices. Those who revolve the taxes and they obligate to pay them to the unprovided ones with menace of sanctions in terms of banking usury, if they don’t pay, if don’t pay the amount of incomes that themselves use, then, to create own undue wealths. Those who get the most beautiful women, those who kid the humble ones, the consumers, the artisans, the workers, the families, the children that must go to school. Those who cheat the most ingenuous ones, they use the television to hand down idyllic fables of Italy, instead really all to reconstruct and to “rottamare” (renew it)!

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  35. avatar
    catherine benning

    If Nigel Farage can bring us in the UK back to a time when this man lived and to the principles he grew up with, then I, too, would vote for him and his party.

    http://www.theguardian.com/society/2014/jun/04/coalition-attacks-nhs-return-britain-age-workhouse

    Farage needs to centre on what it is ‘our’ people want in their political policies and get rid of the idea that anything other than those British interests are of any importance. However, what he must do and quickly, is tell us, in detail, exactly what he wants us to follow and support.

    Sadly, I have to agree with him, that going by this website and the way it is presently administered, and knowing what we have joined and funded, is backing this, then the EU will indeed devour any democracy we have left.

  36. avatar
    Nikolaos Sotirelis

    Are you living in a parallel universe???
    The 3 traditional parties (EPP, S&D, ALDE) lost about 14% of their rate! Furthermore, the phenomenon was exactly the opposite. Far-right and neofascist parties, increased their rates in the countries of the North (Netherlands, Finland, Austria, Belgium etc) plus France. In the South in contrary, left and progressive parties saw their rates coming up. IT’S YOUR TURN TO EXPLAIN WHY???

  37. avatar
    Stefania Portici

    bhe i the record of corruption in the world holds him in Germany. The problem in Italy and ‘one and is called EURO currency that does not correspond to the real economy of the country. Ditto for the other countries of the South.’re Sick of feeling this call corrupted when money is destroying our lives. And here I close.

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    catherine benning

    If these two bring about Direct Democracy into Europe, I for one will vote for them. As that is the only democracy worth having.

    http://www.ukip.org/rebels_with_a_cause_when_nigel_met_beppe

    And Farage is right to press for seats in the the British House of Lords, he is far more popular than the Liberal Democrats and they have a huge amount of seat. The Greens, who hardly get any votes in the UK have a seat or two but not UKIP. Now that is very odd and not at all democratic.

    • avatar
      catherine benning

      @Alexander Grech:

      I think they may have, for, here is Farage beginning to expose his future vision for the UK should he win seats in our Parliament. And I’m impressed with what he says in this link. Mind you, it covers only a small section of a full and required manifesto, but, strangely, it is well thought out and leans quite a bit toward a left policy view that I support. Is his partnering with the Italian having an effect I wonder? The link is to the video clip headed ‘Nigel Farage keynote speech to the Institute of government on the role of the State.’

      http://www.ukip.org/

      After this issue with Juncker, a man of the eighties, I’m really wondering if I can back a group of people intent on ignoring the voice of so many people of Europe the way these governing people are. It is an utterly bad sign that they would hang on to a loser, regardless of the need for unity, and will lead to a complete split in the union. And of course being an unrepentant Direct Democracy follower, this direction of Farage pleases me.

  39. avatar
    andrew

    Farage can try and spin the election results as much as he likes but the votes in the boxes do not lie. The Eurosceptic parties in Italy & Netherlands did badly and he was counting on them to win. This is a blow to his campaign to dismantle the EU.

  40. avatar
    andrew

    The Eurosceptics did badly in Italy and the Netherlands and they were counting on those countries to vote to dismantle the EU. However they spin it the election proves that the EU is still supported by the majority of voters.

  41. avatar
    Roby Tutuarima

    Europe united at first in positioning the depreciating currency is volatile and hard to tear down any other rule-making powers in the world economy, the protection is too strong to be shaken currencies especially the Italian lira and the British pound sterling and do not want to lose against the American dollar. the question why the British currency and the Italian currency was still the same until now. when was the placement of members of the European parlemet can find the root of the problem is both currencies. this should be no further research. of Roby Tutuarima (born in Ambon, Maluku)

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