ukraine-protestersDespite the chaos engulfing parts of the country, many of the young Ukrainians who took part in the Euromaidan protests in Kiev are still hopeful for the future. Last week, a team of interviewers from the AEGEE (Association des États Généraux des Étudiants de l’Europe) European Students’ Forum visited Kiev as part of their Europe on Track project (and you can see their earlier report of discussions with young Spanish people here). The project – which is interviewing hundreds of young people across Europe and the EU – was asking young Ukrainians about their attitudes towards political engagement.

The key message that young Ukrainians wanted to send to their counterparts in the EU was that they should not be afraid of becoming politically active. They also believed that direct action was sometimes needed in order to bring about real change, and that social movements can change society even more than political parties. Ultimately, though, they thought it was important for young people to take part in both the social movements and political parties in their countries.

Despite the media headlines all focusing on the fighting in the east of  the country, young Ukrainians in Kiev say they are still committed to bringing about change. Most of the young people that AEGEE spoke to said they were involved in the Euromaidan protests and are still active in many social movements and initiatives. After the revolution, some of them stayed at Maidan while many others say they started their own civil society organisations, businesses or NGOs in order to change Ukrainian society.

AEGEE reports that, despite the commonly accepted view of young people being apathetic and disinterested in politics, in Ukraine the young people are even more active in politics than most older people.

Do YOU think social movements can change society even more than political parties? Are young Europeans too afraid of becoming politically active? Is peaceful direct action (including protests, marches and demonstrations) sometimes needed in order to bring about real change? Let us know your thoughts and comments in the form below, and we’ll take them to policy-makers and experts for their reactions.

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    • avatar
      gabriel

      Correct!
      But they are EU and NATO’s Nazi puppets, so we can’t go around judging them by the same standards as Yanukovich, can we?

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      Guest

      really? video evidence is different: pro-Russian separatists brutally attacked peaceful demonstration in Odessa, killed several innocent, unarmed people, stood behind the backs of old and young and shoot at people. They also used molotov cocktails, and the fire initially started in the building, while people went to help pro-Russians to get out of the building, the very people who were shot at few moments earlier.

  1. avatar
    George Danieldsg

    Are you out of your mind.Maidan new nazists murderes who burnt aliive 38 citizens in Odessa? Do you think youngs are idiots?

    • avatar
      Gheorghita Zbaganu

      Yes, the Euromaidan thugs burned alive 42 demiocrats in Odessa. They are a bunch of fascists. No connection with European Left.

  2. avatar
    Valentin Lubjanij

    over Debating EUrope till Migrationsverket Sweden Hej ! Permanent uppehallstillstand eller hur !?! Med Van. hals. Valentin 19740513-7998

  3. avatar
    Ana Georgieva

    To stay at home, not to take part in such political provocations and not to pay attention to any propaganda. Next time I suggest if the politicians have some conflicts between each other to go themselves on the Euromaidan, and we will watch.

    • avatar
      Jorge Q

      Tottaly agree

    • avatar
      Don

      Ukraine was not created by the EU. There should be an IQ test in order to comment.

    • avatar
      Rathamanthys

      To be fair, the Maidan revolution started off as a legitimate protest of the Ukrainian people against the government. However like other revolutions before it, it was hijacked by Victoria Nuland and her greedy supporters in the name of profits. The sooner the Ukrainian people realize that they are been manipulated to serve the interests of the plutocrats, the better for them.

  4. avatar
    Markus Taylor

    No! They always seem to be infiltrated by fascists and government agents. Democracy is Democracy for the rich. Parliaments will never let a vote bring the progressive and revolutionary changes needed to free humanity from the shackles of capitalism.
    The class system must be demolished.

  5. avatar
    Dolly Nedeva

    Ha ha – that if you cant do it with money , its possible to be done with much more money! And second – you can oppose fight protest, but at the end the only fucked up is you again- no change in Ukraine- they substitute present olygarchs with another ones- if there is any change it is for worse! Might be and for the worst!

  6. avatar
    Dolly Nedeva

    And just to ask- did somebody ask me whether I as an eurocitizen want Ukraina in Eu or not? Well , you didnt ask ukrainiens , but you didnt also ask us! Is it kinda of democracy or just parody?

    • avatar
      Alex

      Nothing left to say.A new member has to be accepted by all the other members.Maybe i missed it or something got lost in the post office but i didn t receive an “vote on ukraine joining the EU”- invitation^^

    • avatar
      `

      Ukraine hasn’t “joined” anyone. They were PREPARING a trade deal for now – that’s it.
      Don’t get your xenophobic panties in a bunch.

    • avatar
      OLGA BOYCHUK

      IF YOU DON’T WANT UKRAINE A PART OF THE EU, YOU SHOULDN’T BE VOTING FOR THE POLITICIANS YOU HAVE. OH, THEY DON’T LISTEN…? HOW ABOUT EUTOMAIDAN?

  7. avatar
    Jason Pi

    They can learn how to be better lobotomized by the ponzi-scheme-owned mass media.

  8. avatar
    Dolly Nedeva

    Is it freedom and democracy when you are PAID to protest or vote Latifov.., well , I dont claim all they were paid or even drugged, bust most of them- yes! Its a shame! No way freedom or democracy…

    • avatar
      OLGA BOYCHUK

      NO KIDDING? MAYBE YOU’VE BEEN TO MAIDAN AND SOMEONE OFFERED YOU MONEY? MY FAMILY SPENT THERE A MONTH BECAUSE THEY HAD ENOUGH WITH OUR CORRUPTED PRESIDENT. ARE YOUR POLITICIANS CORRUPTED? SAME AS OURS. WE ARE JUST TRYING TO DO SOMETHING ABOUT IT.

  9. avatar
    Lucian

    The young people accross Europe could learn from the Euromaidan guys how to transform a Nazi rebellion in a blood bath against political enemies and how to put a peaceful country on the edge of the collapse.

    • avatar
      Gheorghita Zbaganu

      And how to kill and beat opponents

  10. avatar
    Petar Evtimov

    Euromaidan was paid by USA.Thet give 5 000 000 000$ This monsters burn 38 people alive!!! Why EC supports nazists?!?!?!?

  11. avatar
    Alejo

    EUROMAYDAN shows us that we can change goverment, i mean bad goverment in our way! Becouse we give to them oppotunity of county’s control. And if they forget it and waiting to next selections… We can remember them why they are in goverment, remember tem that we have a point and loud voice of reality and we are smart and understand what are happening in country.

    About nasism or nathionalism, Ukrainians aren’t natsistical or notionalistical. Please don’t be stupid. Ukraine have this people like EU and USA. More national is just West-Ukraine but population of WestUkraine is up to 30%, in addition in WestUkraine not so much this people. They are but not so much as you are imaging. You says about Odessa but you forget Hamburg Nacists fest! So please forget about ukrainians nacists and deal with yours.

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      gabriel

      Of course, Alejo.
      It shows us that we can simply remove by force a government we don’t like without waiting for elections (which are inconvenient since they might provide a surprise: a poll might show that most people don’t agree with us, but why bother with a poll when we can have it our way using violence).
      It also shows that Nazis are OK as long as they are western puppets that can be used against a geostrategic rival like Russia. It was EXACTLY the same with Hitler: western nations thought he would go for Russia and get them rid of communism.
      He did, but he went for France and Britain first, as well as a few other small nations that were in the way.
      It also shows that we can lock people we don’t like in a building, set them on fire and get away with it, as long as US and EU dislike the same people.

  12. avatar
    Christos Mouzeviris

    Afraid I am not.. I have been actively engaging for the past decade. But I am a bit skeptical and worried about how much my voice is heard. I know the leaders are listening, I have proof of that. But do they do anything about it? That is the question. Especially when whatever I am saying and advocating, totally challenges their establishment and way of doing things so far…

  13. avatar
    Charalambos Cherkezos

    Conclusions cannot be deduced yet as the maidan protests aftermath is not over yet. If the result is a strong (and whole) Ukraine then it was worth it BUT if it results in the dissolution of Ukraine …… (no comments Euronews)…

  14. avatar
    Lazaros Kalaitzidis

    “If a revolution is successfull it creates justice, if it’s not, it creates crime”. Guess which of the 2 assessements describes best the situation in Ukraine.

    • avatar
      Ms. Aline

      Are you accounting for the Russian intrusion in your guess?

  15. avatar
    Yolanda Loureiro

    all people have the right to choose their destiny. if someone wants to be ukraine it should be possible and if someone wants to be russian that must be equally possible.

  16. avatar
    ironworker

    I think Euromaidan opens Pandora’s Box. What’s to learn from that ? Is a shame that after almost 20 years since the end of Cold War is about to start another. The aftermath or to quantify the human life loss it’s hard to predict but a “transnistrised” or alleged “federalised” Ukraine is more than predictable.

  17. avatar
    eusebio manuel vestias pecurto

    A Europa tem uma das sociedades mais modernas do mundo por isso a UE deve continuar aprofundar a construção da sociedade da europa livre e democratica

  18. avatar
    gabriel

    1) Don’t incite violence against the legal government of a country unless you are willing to go to war to help your putschist puppets.
    2) If you want to expand your sphere of influence, you got to pay for it. You can’t win with a 600 million euros offer against a 15 billion bid just because you got nice slogans (a.k.a. ideals) to offer.
    3) Stay out of the former Soviet Union.

    • avatar
      `

      Ukraine does not want to be with Russia.
      And the soviet union is dead – only Putler and you people cannot accept it.

  19. avatar
    Guest

    I observe here tonnes of anti-Ukrainian speech. If to exclude trolls, you call us nazi and murderers, but we are just protecting our land from real nazi and murderers – Russian thugs and separatists, coordinated by Moscow. So, if you fail to help Ukraine, you can be next victim of Russia. Hundreds innocent people died just because Kremlin does not like that Ukraine now is truly Independent, hundres left with grave injuries, hundreds kidnapped. Just check video and photo evidence. Do not trust Russian propaganda that is being poured on you (only last year, Russia spent around 90 billion dollars for propaganda campaigns, unlike Ukraine that does not even have a department for information propaganda or at least for rebuttal of fake info…).

    • avatar
      Marcel

      So you prefer to be looted by the IMF, western corporations and banks? How do you like the energy price hikes and cuts to healthcare, welfare and pensions?

      Oh, the oligarchs were exempt from the cuts, surprise eh? Everywhere the EU and the IMF tread, the rich get richer, banks get bailed out, the middle class pays the price and the poor get poorer. And of course, vast increases in unemployment as jobs get moved to low wage countries.

      Don’t believe me? Go look in Greece or Spain.

    • avatar
      Gheorghita Zbaganu

      Guest, for any honest observer Maidan means crime and armed putsch against the people. And means a government of traitors and murderers which destroyed a beautiful country. Crimea, Donetsk and Luhansk – direct consequences of their treason.

  20. avatar
    King Guest

    Viktor, when hundres were killed, tortured and kidnapped, you were not feeling sorry.

    • avatar
      gabriel

      What hundreds? Do you have no shame, people? The whole Crimea “invasion” claimed one or two lives.

  21. avatar
    Gabor Molnar

    If the EU can’t understand, that Russia will never consider it (the EU) as an equal partner, then everything is lost already, because Russia ain’t gonna stop on destabilization of Ukraine, after occupying Ukraine, Russia will continue it’s dirty job in the countries of the EU… Hope there will be enough clever guys in the EU to realize in time, that only the language of power is able to stop Russia. Europe – remember the history!

    • avatar
      Alex

      The Russians will realize EU as an equal partner when it will turn into one.By now i just see an US poodle doing everything that this country wants.
      They call it “speaking with one voice”.
      When the EU considers Russia or China equal to the US then they will do the same.
      A partner worth to talk to,not some puppet that you just waste your time with as the final decision is made in washington

    • avatar
      Rathamanthys

      The EU understands that very well because that is what they themselves are doing to the East European countries and to Ukraine. At the moment BRICS is the only thing that stands in the way of Anglo-Saxon world domination!

    • avatar
      gabriel

      Clearly, there is a state of red alert among pro-western propagandists. They panicked after the auto-da-fé in Odessa, so you will probably see hundreds of such short messages to flooding the internet with anti-Russian propaganda.

    • avatar
      `

      @Gabriel: Oh yeah because what you do here for Putler is not propaganda…you make me laugh.

  22. avatar
    Nikolaos Sotirelis

    The fascists which are claiming that they are the legal government of Ukraine, they’ve never been elected. Just 3 months ago, they took the power by force, from a legally elected government. Unfortunately they had full suport from the German Europe. I feel shame because the Continent that calls itself human rights supporter, doesn’t learn from its mistakes and once again, feeds the snake on its chest.SHAME ON YOU EUROPE!

  23. avatar
    gabriel

    Attention: there is a propagandist here on Debating Europe under the name “King Guest”.
    The “PR disaster” a.k.a. Odessa massacre triggered the alarm and these people mobilized to counteract the effect. Otherwise, Euromaidan might become known as the Nazi coup it really was.

  24. avatar
    gabriel

    I am not often proud or ashamed of the deeds of other Romanians, or of the Romanian government, because I do not feel responsible for the actions of other people.
    But then the auto-da-fé in Odessa happened.
    This is one of the rare occasions when I am really ashamed of the Romanian government.
    I am ashamed to be governed by people in cahoots with the perpetrators of such unspeakable savagery.
    I have nothing to do with the EU or the US, I don’t feel European so I don’t care about what Brussels is doing although Romania is (unfortunately) a EU member. Germans and Americans should worry about that.

    • avatar
      `

      Funny guy. Russia can’t be a member of the EU as long as it dreams of imperialist policies and its “Eurasian Union”.
      You can be with the EU or compete against it, but not both.

      And Russia will NEVER get close to the EU with Putler in charge.

  25. avatar
    Gabor Molnar

    Nikolaus, Yanukovich is a criminal, not a president. The current government is not perfect at all, but it will not last forever, and it is still better then what we had before. Everything we, Ukrainians need today is cleaning up Ukraine of Russian special forces, and some moral and may be material help of the west to defend ourselves.

  26. avatar
    Τόλης Πιστόλης

    We don’t want a Europe that openly takes the side of Fasism and Nazism,a Europe of capitalism,racism and militarismParty of the European Left may be the last chance to make The People’s Europe but even though i am pessimistic about this difficult plan.

  27. avatar
    Gabor Molnar

    People!!! What is wrong with You all??? Ukrainians are not nazis! Ukrainians are just trying to defend their chance to have their future in a free and well-developed country… Are you all so stupid? Or are you simply not informed? Or… You get payed for hating Ukraine?

    • avatar
      Alex

      Here in Germany the media do anti russian propaganda all the time.They didn t mantion,that most of the killed people were pro russian and they also acted like noone knows and stuff.They don t even lie but just show that half of the truth which they like.Someone who lived during the 30es would be proud.They also turned Putins sentence that there were troops arriving on crimea to secure the referendum into “Putin admited that there were Russian troops involved in Crimea.”This way everyone believes that the green guys were Russians ,while he said that Russian troops arrived when the referendum started.He never said they were there before.They are even more skillful at it then the “völksche Rundfunk” of the 30es ,cause they don t even lie.They just don t tell the full truth.While i m disgusted i got to admit that those guys know what they re doing.

    • avatar
      Nikolai

      Alex,

      You shouldn’t believe all the Russian propaganda you read. Try thinking for yourself. Russia has special forces in Eastern Ukraine stirring up stuff. Who else can shoot down two helicopters with anti-aircraft missiles? The “pro-Russian militias” are armed with heavy weapons, including heavy machines guns, grenade launchers and MANPADS. Just concerned citizens, eh?

    • avatar
      `

      Some get paid to troll forums ( see my previous links to source of info exposing Kremlin funded ‘troll-stations’ to cull dissent online and promote a pro-Putler view )
      Others are following the herd of pro-Putler and spreading the virus of missinformation.
      It is a common known fact that online communities accept those with similar ideas and shun those without. Therefore, in order to be included, some choose to accept the lies ( unconsciously ) creating a form of group-think.
      This is the case of – for example – Russia Today’s youtube channel whose commenters’ hypocrisy known no bounds.
      And apparently the troll brigade is here in force too.

      Not all. Some are known “offenders” who will support anyone as long as it is against the EU.
      Marcel, Alex, Tarquin…you know…people with an axe to grind.

  28. avatar
    Historystudent

    All the people who say that Euromaidan was and is a Neonazi movement are clearly following the Russian Propaganda or didn’t read anything at all. Maidan was clearly a movement without violence, carried by alot of people with even children and elderly people. after Yanukovich fled to Russia the preassure from Russia got more tense and the east and crimea got destabilised. there is room for fascist and neonazi groups to start violence. the antisemtism is also stimualted by the ‘separatists’ (who are payed by Russia to demonstrate and are helped by Russian airforces and other Russian forces). this is not the topic of the debate.

    what i think we as European Youth can learn from the students who sparked the original Maidan movement. is that we the Youth should stand up to change things and make things better as youth. we are the new generation and we should stand up against the youth unemployment. so stop the screams of facism violence and start talking about the topic!

    • avatar
      `

      There’s a lot of russian paid trolls here.
      The kremlin is paying big bucks to sponsor this operation – their image depends on it.

    • avatar
      Pedro Pereira

      @Historystudent Thank you for your comment, I was losing all faith in humanity. I was starting to think that when people fight to free themselves from an oppresive government they are fascists. I guess that the pro-russians invading public buildings and not wanting to wait for the elections are the real good people for the other commenters here. Maybe they look at Georgia and think “oh, here is a true utopia of a country”.

    • avatar
      Marcel

      So why do you youths want to decrease wages in western Europe by 40-50% just so we can have ‘equal wages’ across the EU? Don’t tell me you believe in the impossibility that all wages will go to the German level?

  29. avatar
    Spyros Kouvoussis

    Gabor, the new hovernment signed a bill of austerity, leaving the oligarchs untouched. The government consists mainly of fascists who burnt alive 42people.

  30. avatar
    Nikolaos Sotirelis

    Gabor probably Yanukovich is a criminal! So is Timosenko! They both make a big fortune against the Ukranian people, but I don’t see you acuse the second! Farthermore instead of going immidiately to elections, they created a pupet government which includes at least 10 members of the nazis! 55% of Ukranian citizens have a diferent opinion than you! Should they be abolished or even killed? Give me a break!

    • avatar
      Nata

      Thank you Nikolaos for your support. Kiev kills their own citizens in Western Ukraine because they wanted be equal to the rest of the Ukrainian citizens.

  31. avatar
    Máté Parászka

    well what i learned is that i was stupid when i didn’t went far away when the all thing started, now i’m still in the neigbourhood and we do have an obligatory military recrutation because of this scandal……what you can learn in this situation?how to face death because two super powers can’t share some gas?lol guys, thanks anyway for all euromaidan protesters, the union and russia, it’s so great!

  32. avatar
    `

    What can our youth learn?
    That Putler doesn’t like popular movements much – probably because he is afraid of one brewing at home.
    Considering he solved NONE of Russia’s problems but instead waved the patriotic flag a bit to stroke russians’ egos i think this is pretty accurate.
    Once the euphoria of land grab is over he will have to continue stealing lands or step down from power.

    What can they learn?
    That the EU is such a good idea that countries outside of it CONTINUE to fight tooth and nail to get in\ despite the arrogant rhetoric from clowns like Nigel Farage and his regressive supporters.

    What can they learn?
    That yelling “nazis” does not make your argument more powerful.

    What can they learn?
    That the things they take for granted in the EU, ukrainians had to fight for.
    Freedom of assembly?
    Yanukovich was preparing to make that illegal and Putler already has. Protesting in Russia is ILLEGAL.

    Yeah i think our youth has much to learn.
    They also should learn to recognize xenophobic rhetoric ( we got a lot of that even in this forum – usually aimed at eastern Europe who can’t defend themselves from these attacks – racists and xenophobes are “brave” like that, you see )

    • avatar
      Tarquin Farquhar

      Methinks, the ‘youth’ would do well NOT to read your meandering, miasma-esque, meaningless, mad, mystifying. monstrous musings.

      BTW, don’t misrepresent my EU standpoint – I want the UK to stay in the EU:

      IF the UK is allowed to pick its cherries AND/OR
      IF the English language is made the only official EU language AND/OR
      IF the EU pays the UK £10billion/year [index-linked] for being a member of such an undemocratic bloc hosting far too many basket case nations.

  33. avatar
    `

    @Alex can you please stop espousing russian propaganda and ‘arguments’ ?
    I am still waiting on you to explain me how “peaceful civilians” managed to shoot down two MILITARY choppers.
    I asked you this question from the other article and you have chosen not to answer.

    • avatar
      Nata

      Mr ‘ YOU are the only troll here. The blood of innocent people is on your hands. You kill people in Western Ukraine because they wanted to have their own choice. Shame on you. I strongly believe once you will be punished for your evil and bloody business.

  34. avatar
    Jaume Roqueta

    while EU supports euromaian… they send the police to hith the indignados in spain!… it is clear that if you go in favour of the banking intersests or war… then EU supports you because you are a good bussiness… but if you ask for equality, social rights and stop banking abuses…then you are a terrorist… thanks EU!

  35. avatar
    Gabor Molnar

    Nikolaos, you doesn’t seem to be a kid, don’t you understand, that nationalists are NOT nazis? And from what informational source you got this 55% thing? I live here, in Ukraine, and can tell you, that at least 70% of people think, that Yanukovich had to be removed at any circumstances. Some say here about 42 persons burnt alive in Odessa? All of you have to know, that those idiots burnt tehmselves in that building, there is a video with the event is public access, on youtube, and there where 43 overal deaths on that day, and only 14 of them where from Odessa, the rest was from other places. There where also citizens of Russia, from Yoshkar-Ola and Nizhniy-Novgorod… No comments about that. All the unrests are generated by Russia, and those who don’t want to live in an European system, where you can’t be a criminal and rule a city or even a country.

    • avatar
      Alex

      “All of you have to know, that those idiots burnt tehmselves in that building, there is a video with the event is public access, on youtube”-
      The same comment in a pro Russian way would be considered as conspiracy theory.
      Which moron would burn himself and what s the purpose?When you re dead you will barely be able to change something…

  36. avatar
    Alex

    All rigth they can learn to change their national identity against wealth they were promissed to get but will never see in their lifetime.
    That was the topic wasn t it?What youth can learn?

    • avatar
      Pedro Pereira

      Actually they speak ukranian and this has nothing to do with the UE. They are trying to have a revolution to end with Yanukovich and his puppet government. I really don’t understand your xenofobic comment. And most of slavic languages use the cyrillic alphabet which was created to represent sounds in these languages that couldn’t be expressed with the latin alphabet

  37. avatar
    Nikolaos Sotirelis

    Dear Gabor, you seem to be a kid! So you should learn this: Nationalism=fascism (wikipedia). From the latest elections comes up the 55% of Ukrainian citizens that doesn’t think the way you or the nonlegal government does. I’ve already told you that Yanukovich was probably a criminal, but so was Timosenko!The people were burned alive, by a bunch of “Right sector” neonazis. And the garbage that call themselves policemen, instead of arresting the murderers, they arrested the people that got out alive from the building!!! All this mess however was created 3 months ago by German government and the EU acceptation, because of a shameless power and energy control game! Pity for Ukraine, pity for Europe!

    • avatar
      Pedro Pereira

      Actually Nationalism=fascism=communism that’s why if we have a government that is either right extremist or left extremist the result is he same. The nazi are called fascist or right extremists but actually they called themselves socialists.

  38. avatar
    King Guest

    Nikolaos, is it not convinient to blame Right Sector for everything? Have you ever watched a video with these guys? They are not trained, and do not have even weapons to fight well-trained and well-equipped russian soldiers and separatists.

  39. avatar
    Nikolaos Sotirelis

    I can only see your propaganda my dear “King”! You seem to watch and “answer” (way of speaking) almost anything, that isn’t convenient to you! ;)

  40. avatar
    Gabor Molnar

    Nikolaos, this is from wikipedia, read it carefully:

    Nationalism is a belief, creed or political ideology that involves an individual identifying with, or becoming attached to, one’s nation. Nationalism involves national identity, by contrast with the related construct of patriotism, which involves the social conditioning and personal behaviors that support a state’s decisions and actions.

    Nationalis is a form of patriotism, now let’s see fascism:

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fascism

    There is a huge difference, again, don’t be stupid, and don’t try to fool the readers.

    You talk about propaganda? I have to believe Putin, who told, that there are no Russian soldiers i. Crimea, and then occupied it? I have to believe, that some guys from the east of the country amanged to get RPGs and assault rifles from some weapon shops? We don’t have shops in Ukraine like that! Russia lies all the way, what you are talking about?

  41. avatar
    Gabor Molnar

    I don’t know Nikolaos from where you get your information, but that IS the real propaganda. Actually I’m not surprised at all, I have seen the Hungarian news, again – stupid propaganda. You know nothing about the ongoing, you are being fed buy informational junk, and it seems, that you like it. Russia is the threat, not the people of Ukraine.

  42. avatar
    Gabor Molnar

    And yes, you are right, Timoshenko is really a criminal, not a question at all, but I have to assure you – she ain’t gonna get the presidentship, most of Ukrainians hate her, because people remember what she have done. What about the elections, you mean the presidential elections? You really don’t know nothing about those elections, there is a lot to learn about them for you… I have relatives and friends in Crimea, most of people don’t want Russia, they never wanted, just about 15 to 30 percents of people want to become the part of Russia… You think, you know a lot, just because you are older and wiser, and you have experience and bla-bla… I know people like you(usually some big bosses with a huge potbelly – stupid as my shoe), and you worth nothing, because you can’t do a simple research, you judge without knowing, people like you live in Russia, and those people are currently killing Ukrainian soldiers on the east of Ukraine.

    • avatar
      Marcel

      Just like how we in western Europe don’t want Ukraine or our money going to subsidize criminals like Yulia Tymoshenko and her friends or the national socialist Ukrainian movement called Svoboda.

  43. avatar
    Gabor Molnar

    for those, who want some proper information, there is a public here in facebook, called Yanukovychleaks, and also there is a site with the same name (can find the link in the public). This public is publishing tons of documents found in the presidential residency. Those documents explain a lot.

    • avatar
      Marcel

      Where’s the Tymoshenkoleaks site? How she enriched herself at Ukraine’s expense in the 1990s?

    • avatar
      Rathamanthys

      Accidentally????? Nothing is ever done by accident in politics believe me it all has a purpose!

    • avatar
      Rathamanthys

      You are wrong! We are all from the EU and trying to warn you. We wish we had some one warn us before we joined!

  44. avatar
    Rónán

    I am ashamed, as an EU citizen that the European Union, of which Ireland is a part, interfered in Ukrainian affairs and contributed to the US Geopolitical agenda, resulting in the polarization & division of the Ukrainian east & west!

    Why did the EU support the pro-EU protesters in overthrowing the former Ukrainian Government undemocratically?
    Why do the EU support the coup-Government in Ukraine’s hostile military intervention on its people in the East & Odessa?

    I hope a STRONG EU Parliament will hold the EU Commission accountable after the election on May 23rd and reject Western Geopolitical interests over the interests of the people of Ukraine!!

    • avatar
      `

      Can we please stop with the russian propaganda?
      There is so far no clear evidence to show that the West has intereffered in ANY way in Ukraine’s Euro-maidan protests.
      If i am wrong please prove me wrong and NO, “Russia Today” clips don’t count as evidence.

      Besides those protesters threw stones not Anti Air missiles and bullets !

    • avatar
      Marcel

      The involvement of the US state department, through Victoria Nuland, and the EU (which always seems to kowtow to anything the drone king Obama wants) is patently obvious to all. This socalled ‘revolution’ was paid for in the interests of western corporations and banks.

    • avatar
      Tarquin Farquhar

      @Rónán
      Well said BUT the EU will never be held accountable – its undemocratic and too corrupt!

  45. avatar
    Rathamanthys

    Democracy means that the people vote for the candidates to represent them in government. The current government in Kiev was never elected but they just appointed themselves. So in anyone’s book that is dictatorship and not democracy.
    The fact is also that 42 people died in Odessa. Someone killed those people because no one believes they killed themselves. What proof do you need further? As for how great it is to be in the EU that Ukrainians are die-ing to join maybe they should ask Greece, Portugal, Ireland, Bulgaria and other such countries first. The Euromaidan protesters are naive people who are been manipulated because they have not come across the Machiavellian tactics of the Western powers yet.

  46. avatar
    Ms. Aline

    I’m very sorry to see that so many people don’t believe into Euromaidan and its achievements. I am not sorry for myself or my family who spent there mroe than a month or for Ukraine. I’m sorry for them … For those who can’t even define who are the neo-nazi but yet easily buy into Russian propaganda and call true patriots fascists. For those who say that protesters were paid. How much money does it cost for you to die? For those who may live in Europe but totally lost what Europe is all about. You’re so afraid that your standard of living will fall because you’ll have to loan money to Ukraine. Don’t you worry!!! All we want is for everyone to live us alone and stop calling us names and telling us what to do.

    • avatar
      `

      How ironic that it is EASTERN Europe must teach West Europe new DEMOCRATIC values.
      The power of the people to rise up and challenge tyranny.

      Most would side with yanukovich, the tyrant.

    • avatar
      Rathamanthys

      If that is really what you want you are definitely not going to get it by joining the EU!! The EU not only will tell you what you can and can’t do in your own country but will destroy your country and everything your ancestors fought to build!

    • avatar
      Gheorghita Zbaganu

      “and call true patriots fascists”. And traitors. They (only because they were fool? or maybe were paid?) destroyed Ucraina. Starting with the statues of Lenin.

  47. avatar
    Curs BNR

    Un Curs Valutar de What can young Europeans learn from the Euromaidan protesters?
    — Debating Europe conversie valutara nu este o sarcina usoara de
    a executa de zi cu zi cu modificarea ratelor Curs Valutar straine .

    Fiind o para straina , urinar la oricine piesa locala
    se va aprecia pentru Curs BNR puterea de cumparat in dara instraina se a inlocui
    in fiesce moment uro .

  48. avatar
    Marcel

    What is residing in Kiev right now is by no definition a legitimate government. I do not recognize them nor did I or anyone authorize our socalled national government to recognize this band of bandits which includes the Bandera-ites of Svoboda.

    I do hope however, that the Maidan people will ‘enjoy’ the IMF mandated energy price hikes, savage cuts to healthcare and pensions all so that western companies and banks can be enriched. And of course, how Tymoshenko (the #1 self-enricher of all time) will totally sell you out to her corporate friends.

    IMF involvement always means bailouts for rich bankers, and suffering for middle class and poor. The IMF is a criminal organization.

    • avatar
      `

      You’re missing the point. We all hate the IMF and know they are THIEVES.
      But this isn’t up to us to decide for Ukraine or Russia. The problem is Russia is destroying Ukraine.
      Euro-maidan was a protest to CHANGE THE AUTHORITIES.
      Eastern-Ukraine and Crimea are protests to RIP UKRAINE APART.

      And that’s the difference!

    • avatar
      Rathamanthys

      Usually when people protest to ‘change the authorities’ then they want to change it for the better but the Ukraine changed for the worse so why is the Maidan protesters quite now? Why are they not in the streets protesting against the self appointed government?

  49. avatar
    Hanna Polishchuk

    When you want to say something like: Maidan burned people in Odessa, curb your tongue! No one knows for sure, who did it, and who was so much interested in it to fulfill this horrible and violent scenario. You was not there and you think what media shows to you! I agree with the comment that you should learn to think by yourselves, and please don’t blame the whole Maidan in everything! It was peaceful student strike unless someone’s bloody hands interfered!

    • avatar
      Marcel

      Please explain the government participation of Svoboda. And don’t try to whitewash their manifesto and their history.

      How do you think about Yulia Tymoshenko, who stole all she owns from Ukraineinan people?

    • avatar
      Hanna Polishchuk

      Dear Marcel,

      You write about people, who I do not support at all (and never supported). I know they are bad candidates. What do you want me to write you about them? Seems you know it by yourself.

  50. avatar
    Rathamanthys

    Dear Hanna if you do not support these people why are you not in the streets protesting like you did against the previous government?

  51. avatar
    NewsView

    I am all for social change but in a nation that already has an electoral process, those parties who wish to change things should run for office rather than clash in the street. During the Civil Rights Era in the United States minorities clashed with authorities, often with tragic outcomes. During the Los Angeles, California riots in the mid 1990s following the beating of Rodney King, whom was thought to be a victim of police brutality, looters stole from business owners, fires destroyed private property, tensions mounted between Korean and black residents and chaos threatened law and order. The victim himself, Rodney King, was famous for having said “Can’t we all just get along?”

    In the United States in more recent years we saw the Occupy Wall Street movement take hold, which some of the Euromaidan protesters apparently have compared themselves to. In spite of freedom of speech guaranteed by the U.S. Constitution, there were many restrictions put in place for the sake of public safety, sanitation and to prevent throngs of protesters from impeding access to businesses and private property. In the U.S. today, it is necessary to obtain a permit to stage a protest and those who continue to occupy an area beyond what is approved can be arrested and forcibly dispersed by police.

    If a protest goes on long enough some form of injustice or injury will occur, which will take over the headlines. If the violence continues, it will remove focus from the protesters’ cause. Short-term protests are appropriate but encampments are bound to be cleared by police, whether it is in Ukraine or the U.S.

    The violence that erupts during a protest may make newspaper headlines but it also confuses the issue and creates distrust of those who would seem to provoke a lawless atmosphere. No matter who is responsible for the violence, it will promote public suspicion. In the United States, many people derided the Occupy Wall Street movement. Even without the provocation of tragedy, OWS did not enjoy widespread public support. Long-term protests are a recipe for injury, death and escalation of conflict. When conflict dominates headlines, onlookers will be suspicious that the motives are not truly legitimate or that they were not peaceable to begin with. It is better to mobilize discretely and succeed, than mobilize in public and fail. In the U.S. the informal Occupy Wall Street movement is largely dead. By contrast, the Tea Party movement, which took another approach and attempted to become elected to key government positions, is still intact.

    In a nation without a democratic electoral process, civil unrest may be inevitable. But in a nation where public participation in politics is possible it is better to work within the system to facilitate change. Change can also be brought about by keeping the public aware of how officials are conducting national affairs. Journalists and activists can help the public remain informed of the issues so that they can make informed decisions at the polls.

    I feel the Euromaidan protesters were well intentioned but naive. The EU member states of Greece, Spain, Portugal and even Italy are suffering under the constraints of an inflexible, common currency, with high rates of unemployment and crushing amounts of debt. There is a saying in the U.S. “Be careful what you wish for. You just might get it.” There is another old saying “The grass always looks greener on the other side of the fence.” Ukraine’s EU bailout at the hands of the IMF may one day bear fruit, but for the time how many Maidan protesters appreciate that the people of Ukraine will suffer more terribly than those in Greece and elsewhere in the EU, who have lost their home and even rioted in response to the austerity?

    That a Russian Commons agreement was not attractive to many in Ukraine should not have been cause to ignore the economic suffering an EU bailout will induce.

    In the 1990s, many in the UK and elsewhere in Europe were kept in the dark about the treaties that became the basis for the EU. Now technocrats dominate decisions that have stripped EU member states from controlling their own destiny. If this is what the Euromaidan protesters were advocating for, they may be in for a rude awakening. And so my final caution is that those who take to the street should not do so lightly. Attracting the attention of international authorities may take more power out of local hands. Today, Ukrainians complain of corrupt Oligarchs. Tomorrow they may despise the techocrats in Brussels.

    Those who would trade one master for another may come to realize, too late, that the best course of action would have been to work to solve problems internally. It is much harder to work for internal reform but it would have created a legacy much the protesters can take credit for. With an EU or Russia deal, a great deal of one’s national sovereignty must be surrendered to external authorities. Was this the intended result? Or were protesters caught up in too much passion with too little concern for the consequences?

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