Can we really call it ‘solidarity’ if it’s not voluntary? The EU Commission is taking Poland, Hungary, and the Czech Republic to court for refusing to accept refugees. The Commission believes that the three Visegrad states are failing to meet the obligations set out in a 2015 refugee relocation plan (which they all voted against) designed to take pressure off Italy and Greece.

If found in legal breach (a process which could take years to resolve) the European Court of Justice could levy fines against the three governments. So far, Poland and Hungary have refused to accept even a single refugee, while the Czech Republic has taken a grand total of 12 people. This stands in sharp contrast to countries such as Sweden and Germany, which have accepted hundreds of thousands of people.

We had a comment sent in from Graziano, who believes that EU funding should be cut if countries break EU rules or values. Would this be appropriate? Does solidarity run both ways?

To get a reaction, we spoke to Andrzej Porawski, Executive Director of the Association of Polish Cities, an organisation representing local governments in Poland. What would he say to Graziano? Does EU funding have conditions in place, including upholding European values on refugees and the right to asylum?

I would say to him that conditions are important. I do not support EU funding being seen as a gift. I understand there are conditions as part of a common framework shared by all European countries. It’s a framework building common values and a common Europe. If we want to spend public money owned by all our nations, we should formulate conditions. The more important conditions, in my opinion, are those conditions governing economic priorities. Conditions related to values are a little bit more difficult, because the understanding of values is still slightly different in different parts of Europe. And, unfortunately, we can see this very clearly in the understanding of different European countries on the whole problem of migrants and refugees.

We still hear a lot about migrants and refugees in Southern European countries, which is a really serious problem for Greece and Italy especially. But we have been ignoring, or almost ignoring, the millions of refugees from Ukraine. And those who support Ukraine, such as Poland, are also showing European solidarity in my opinion. But, unfortunately, this European solidarity is not recognised by those for whom the Southern migrants are more important. But we should remember the war in Ukraine, not only the war in Syria. I often see on European TV horrible scenes from Allepo or other cities in Syria. Rarely, however, do I see similar coverage of the devastation in Eastern Ukraine.

Should the EU sanction Poland, Hungary, and the Czech Republic for refusing refugees? Or is the EU ignoring the fact that these countries have taken refugees from Ukraine? Can we call it ‘solidarity’ if it’s not voluntary? Let us know your thoughts and comments in the form below and we’ll take them to policymakers and experts for their reactions!

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What do YOU think?

    • Yanis Sarto

      A person fleeing war is worthy of help . Those who are verified to be in that state should be helped . The migrant crisis has affected the whole of Europe and Europe should deal with it as one . If Poland , Hungary and the Czech Republic want to do some cherry picking , they can just leave the union , like Britain did . Imagine that Britain wanted nice economic deals and trade but somehow didn´t want the Poles , Greeks , Czechs , Hungrarian , Spanish ect in their land ( lets face it , that is what Brexit was all about ) and the rest of the EU said rightly so , that that wont pass . The message coming out of these three countries is in a way similar and selfish so i think sanctions are a fair response

    • Viktor Plhak

      Yanis Sarto we are cherry pickers? We don’t see any euros from EU. It is only for companies. Also we want to leave EU, but how can we do that while we are unable to made Czechout(Czexit)? Politicians ignoring that. So we should ve punished for that? If yes, so OK, just let EU kick us out, but say me, why is EU saying sanctions instead of kickout? They also don’t want us to leave.

    • Yanis Sarto

      Victor you speak for yourself but your government represents your whole country . That’s how it works in politics so next time vote for a party which wants the Czech Republic out if the eu. In any case I would be more interested in hearing from you why you think it’s right for these three countries to not take part in the refugee sharing deal. Is it cause you reject everything that comes from the Eu not matter what or are there specific reasons?

    • SD

      As a Swiss I say this is what they want us to join?
      They used to argue the EU membership with the economy, then when the EU economy went down they argued “mitbestimmung” in essence having a say, this instance shows very well happens when a proud people decide to do the opposite of what Brussels wants, they get harrassed and trampeled. We Swiss will never give up our Constitutional Independence. NEVER.

    • SD

      When you are at war with a Country you don’t let in their people. We are in a more difficult situation, the West finds itself for the first time in a long time at War with Religion in this case Islam, ofcourse we Westerners don’t want to do Religious wars but the enemy sees this very much as a Religious war. We must unserstand what we are facing and take the actions necessary to defend Europe and the West. We absolutely need a stop to migration from Muslim Countries, this should include an asylum stop as well. We can help them in their own countries or in safe zones but not how Merkel did it. Her actions have already resulted in importing islamic terror and the resulting dead (Paris Bataclan, Brussels), many raped women, girls and even boys, many people have been beaten and robbed, there’s drug dealing. To add to it many refugees have contagious diseases like tuberculosis, herpes, hiv etc. There wohld also be severe mental problems. And as we already see daily the cultural differences between Western Culture of the Christian West and the Islamic cultur.
      In any case they are people with big problems, if we let them in their problems become our problems. It is not logical to let them in as this is a most dangerous experminent with a uncertain outcome. I am advocating a play it safe approach, defend Europe, keep them out, and take the necessary actions to identifu and deport other islamic extremists already in Europe. We have to put the human rights of European citizens higher than those who want to kill them!!!

    • Max Berre

      You SAY that, but you’re country has also sent zero troops to help us deal with the problem.
      So….

    • Max Berre

      Sanction them for free-riding. Too lazy to send troops & ships. Too lazy to deal with the consequences of not sending troops & ships.

      Why do they expect to subsidize that with MY tax monies?

    • Andrzej Lassak

      It is democratic, you know why? First of all, because for example, Poland, agreed 2 years ago to take care of 3000 refugees … and it had not take care of single one … let me repeat that, POLISH GOVERNMENT COMMITED TO DO IT …

      Second reason? Poland 40 milion people, Czechia 10, Hungary 10 … so, together it’s 60 milion people … out of 510 milion people living in EU … it’s just slightly more then 10% of EU citizens …

    • Max Berre

      Because the east doesn’t want contribute to helping deal with the conflict, AND they don’t wanna deal with the consequences of not dealing with the conflict either.

      And they want MY tax monies to help pay for that free-ride?

    • Walerian Mazur

      Max Berre we don’t want do help with conflict because we didn’t cause the conflict. And how do you imagine refugee camps in our countries?

    • Edita Buržinskaitė

      Max Berre, it has nothing to do with not wanting to contribute. It has everything to do with these countries not wanting to import a bunch of freeloaders from an incompatible culture and endanger their own citizens.

  1. Zoltan Kiss

    No, such sanctions will only speed up the disintegration of the EU as its leaders are completely out of touch with their peoples and the people are more and more fed up. It’s a shame such a great and successful project will become the victim of complete arrogance. Britain will be followed unfortunately as there’s no sign of sensible change.

    • Max Berre

      Good riddance to bad rubbish, says I. No more subsidy for the east.

      They don’t wanna contribute to helping deal with the conflict, AND they don’t wanna deal with the consequences of not dealing with the conflict either.

      Fuck-em.

    • Zoltan Kiss

      Max Berre exactly that kind of arrogance and patronizing behaviour is the reason the EU is going down soon and you can only blame yourself. Even your own country is fed up.. Otherwise Wilders would not be so popular and mainstream media would not be so terrified of him. I’d much rather live in Boranistan as you may refer to my country than in Holland that got rich only thanks to colonization and brutally robbing foreign countries and peoples. Absolute moral rubbish is what you and kinds of you represent.

    • Róbert Bogdán

      Zoltan Kiss “Holland that got rich only thanks to colonization and brutally robbing foreign countries and peoples”??? I seriously doubt that statement of yours. But otherwise, you’re right. Wilders has a sound and rational message. The EU is not yet a federation, and the neo-marxist, so called “progressive” ideology is not the “state religion of the EU”.

    • Zoltan Kiss

      But that’s what they try to make it and enforce on everyone. Also all previously colonising countries got rich on the resources of their colonies without asking the indigenous populations. The West got rich mostly from that. Slave labour and free natural resources of their colonies. Now they go on lecturing us on morality…….they should handle their sense of guilt otherwise. Also the absolute arrogance that Mr. Berre represents is disgusting and disturbing.

    • Edita Buržinskaitė

      I completely agree. It’s so sad to see the EU shooting itself in the foot with these ridiculous “refugee” policies.

    • Paul X

      “its leaders are completely out of touch with their peoples” I think you have that wrong, the government of these countries is listening to public opinion in refusing the liberal driven refugee policy, if only the German government had the spine to do the same …
      https://www.rt.com/news/331232-merkel-refugee-crisis-poll/

    • Max Berre

      Although, I would ALSO like to engage in free-riding, my POV is from the view of the taxpayer who PAYS THE BILL for the free-riding of the east.

      They want free money. They also want to free-ride NATO. And also to avoid sending blue-helmets to the conflict zone, AND ALSO avoid paying for the consequences of ignoring the conflict.

      LOL. Lazy fuckers.

    • Zoltan Kiss

      Max Berre, new member states have opened their market to the EU and Western companies are taking out shit loads of money as profits so you live in a nasty illusion when you think central and eastern european countries only get subsidies. Your tone of language and conduct of communication says a lot about you……..

    • Walerian Mazur

      Max Berre Poland pays for military force double percent of GDP comparing to Germany, exacly as NATO demands. So maybe Germany should be sanctioned because of their free ride in NATO? And to you’re information Polish troops was deployed in Iraq, Afganistan, Chad Republic, Kosovo, Golan Heights etc.

  2. Marko Martinović

    NO. They are the only ones with some sense. Corrupt EU officials just cannot stand that they are proof and example in defense against terror. All other countries should be punished for endangering their people.

    • Max Berre

      Who will pay the bill for their free-riding though. I don’t want to subsidize them anymore.

      They want free money. They also want to free-ride NATO. And also to avoid sending blue-helmets to the conflict zone, AND ALSO avoid paying for the consequences of ignoring the conflict.

      LOL. Lazy fuckers.

    • Marko Martinović

      All other countries should be punished for sacrificing their people on altar of political correctness. Poland and its friends are best example of terror and rape prevention. They should exit EU to save themselves

    • Andrzej Lassak

      Marko Martinović: you know what the best way to destroy terrorism is? It’s to kill all people in the world and problem will disappear ;) Go on, do it ;)

      Putting and equal sign between “Syrian refugee” and “terrorist” is wrong, harmful, naive and inhuman … you are just a bad person for thinking and saying things like that …

      From another hand, saying that wave of “Syrian refugees” has nothing to do with with increase of terrorism activities is equally stupid, harmful and simply wrong …

      The truth is simple: Most of these people, are genuine people who run from war. But, there is plenty of ISIS influence among this people so this is a terrorist risk indeed. What do you do with risk? You take it when it’s worth it and you deal with it. I think saving human lifes is worth the risk. Especially, that you can minimise risk. How? Well, Poland has taken 0, ZERO, NULL, NONE refugees … could not Poland choose to take only let’s say 5000 orpahend children under 12 age old? It could because there is estimate 30000 children refugees in Europe already … what would be the risk for Poland? Really that fucking big? Come on …

      Poland refuse to take any refugees (even Christian one) because Poland is rasist country period.

    • Fernando Nabais

      So, you mean a country should have no longer the right to decide what to do inside their borders?

    • Max Berre

      I mean that a country can either decide to SEND TROOPS so that we don’t get refugees. Or else they can deal with the consequences of their lazy inaction.

      They want to eat their cake and have it too. And they want ME to subsidize that.

      No thanks.

    • Pedro Castro

      They should have thought about that before partialy relinquishing that power when they joined the EU Fernando Nabais.

      Now they either accept what they signed into or suffer the consequences.

    • Alice

      hello Max… I am Alice, I am Czech and I am proud of it – just to say for the start. All over this page I can read your complaints about us just receiving money and us not wanting to give anything back… well, I see it from a bit different point of view : firstly, during the course of history our lands were robbed and destroyed over and over again, with all that was valuable ending up where? of course in the civilised west. Ok, one can´t blame today´s people for what happened before- as we say: forgive but don´t forget. Today, where do most of the profits go? Yes, you are right- to the civilised west, while our people here,who create the profit, work for almost a minimal wage. The profits that leave our country are almost as high as the money that comes from EU. We don´t owe you a thing.

      Our countries get to be blamed for not keeping to the EU “rules”… but is it not what for example Hungary has been doing for the last 2 years – protecting the EU borders and yet getting into trouble? How come Germany is not punished for breaking the Dublin treaty? How come Merkel could speak for our country as well while closing the deal with Turkey without actually being authorized to do so and yet nothing happened? Why some “must” keep to the rules, while others don´t ? Why is it almost a crime to have different opinions than those hidden under expression “european values”? Why some think they can decide what is right and wrong and just force it onto others ? EU is made just to protect interests of the “big and rich” countries with the “shut-up-and-do-what-you´re- told” attitude towards the “unimportant” rest. So much for democracy… I can just hope our goverment has the guts to stand up straight and keep their word about not taking any migrants in because that is not a solution to the problem. EU should focus on finally starting to protect the borders and on finding other ways – and now I mean ways that would be acceptable for all countries -of helping those who really need it rather than insisting on their idiotic quota system which can´t ever work.

    • Fernando Nabais

      Idiocy also doesn’t have place in Europe and you’re still here.

    • Javi Gil

      Super strong argument! Let me guess… Oxford debate club style? 😂😂😂 #PhDlevel
      #blockthetroll

    • Javi Gil

      WoW!!! Super strong argument! Let me guess… Oxford debate club style? 😂😂😂 #PhDlevel
      #blockthetroll

    • Javi Gil

      Both Poland and Hungary have populist parties in power. Their main argument to raise people’s irrational fears and so keep them believing their populist narrative: fear the foreigner / the other, all those who have come to ‘destroy’ our ‘culture’ (whatever that means).

    • Javi Gil

      Both Poland and Hungary have populist parties in power. Their main argument to raise people’s irrational fears and so keep them believing their populist narrative: fear the foreigner / the other, all those who have come to ‘destroy’ our ‘culture’ (whatever that means).
      Anti-intellectualism and hatred are no EU values.

    • Wendy Harris

      Try telling that to the savages invading our countries and raping our women. Their hatred of the west knows no bounds. You cannot have intellectual debate with people who still believe in barbarism. The UK has 23,000 Jihadists living here intent on doing us harm. By allowing wasps into a bees nest you will destroy the hive. But it’s the apologist enablers like yourself who are the real enemy within.

    • Javi Gil

      A clear instance of tabloid talk. It would be good for you to polish your argumentation skills, dear:
      https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Faulty_generalization

      Read some actual facts, travel a bit, try to understand the world outside your local community, then get back to me ;-)

    • Lubor Čambál

      Yes, only elitists should be in power

    • Javi Gil

      Elitists or elites? Could you please explain what the term “elite” stands for? Who exactly are those labelled as “elite” by the populist forces?
      Is the term derogatory by nature? If it’s not those mysterious “elites”, who will rule for everyone? You? Have populists proven their ways more effective in key social or economic issues? Have they tackled corruption or made ir worse?

      Think for yourself ;-)

      https://www.britannica.com/topic/elite-theory

    • Paul X

      This discussion regularly crops up whenever someone of a liberal left leaning tries to use the term populism in a derogatory sense instead of it’s literal sense

      By definition, populism is the views of the common/ordinary people, so why anyone would believe it is acceptable for politicians to ignore these views defies all logic…. unfortunately Brussels is full of people that think exactly that

  3. Emanuele Monaco

    Democracy is based on the rule of law. If you don’t comply with the rules you agreed with joining the Union, you get sanctioned. If I recall western Europe didn’t have such problems when the citizen of these countries were fleeing communism. Anyway, enough with history, article 50 it’s still there for them if they want. I still think though that opening the Union to the membership of countries interested only in subsidies and economic perks was wrong.

    • Sabin Popescu

      there was no vote before a certain german chancellor invited milions of refugees to Europe

    • Pedro Castro

      Sabin Popescu by applying the law everyone was familiar with?

    • Viktor Plhak

      And how should we get out of EU? Politicians didn’t want to, becouse they have profits from companies taking money from EU. Me, as a citizen never see any money from EU. We just don’t have a possibility to call referendum.

    • Petr Býček

      Arcitle 50 is still there but it will not happen because of economical profits for the couple of billionaires. Anyways if it will, still you cant reffuse economical islamic imigrants because you cant leave EU by a 1 day … Its a trap .. a big trap .. Germany didnt ask anyone to make decision what they made ..

  4. Sabin Popescu

    No, they should not!
    The invitation for migrants and the refugee quotas were dictates, not the results of votes inside the EU.

    • Andrzej Lassak

      Not true, was there a political pressure? Yes, of course, Poland make the same pressure in other case in EU. Was this quotas dictated? Absolutely not! Polane, 2 years ago, has agreed to take care of 3000 refugees … Poland so far has taken ZERO refugees … also, Poland is the only country in whole of EU, which spends less then 0.01% of it’s GDP o international help/aid … So Poland is technically not helping in any fuckin way …

  5. Vytautas Vėžys

    See? This is the reason why Eu is falling… You invite immigrants with open hands without asking members opinions and then force them to accept because you can’t handle them anymore?

    • Valeria Tancredi

      Nobody is inviting migrants they come without invitation because have no alternative

    • Cyriaque Bouchet

      No invitation sent. But when you joined you accepted the EU values, so yes, each MS knew what they were signing for.

    • Vytautas Vėžys

      Valeria Tancredi Are you living under rock? All Europe if full of “Refugees welcome” signs and Politicians in France or Germany publicly told “We will accept all immigrants” more times than we could count.

    • Sandrine Carlier

      Valeria Tancredi Wrong. The alternative was to to to Oubeskistan, Kazakhstan, Malaysia, Tunisia, Morroco, Algeria, Indonesia…presumably you got the point but none of them provide the money that the Eu dishes out to them with taxpayers money.

    • Vytautas Vėžys

      Cyriaque Bouchet Show me EU agreement part where they talk about commitment for hosting refugees from countries outside EU.

    • Vytautas Vėžys

      Pedro Castro Thanks… That’s what I needed:
      1.2.
      Preventing unauthorised entry Under EU law, measures have been taken to prevent unauthorised access to EU territory. The
      Carriers Sanctions Directive (2001/51/EC) provides for sanctions against those who transport undocumented migrants into the EU.
      The Facilitation Directive (2002/90/EC) defines unauthorised entry, transit and residence and provides for sanctions against those who facilitate such breaches. Such sanctions must be effective, proportionate and dissuasive (Article 3). EU Member States can decide not to sanction humanitarian assistance, but they are not obliged to do so (Article 1 (2)).

  6. Sylwester Slojewski

    I think Poland, Czech Republic and Hungary should build a wall against EU Muslim invasion to commit crime rape and kill people burn buildings it’s a war zone they should sanction EU for expose their citizen for lack of safety security for their children wives

  7. Andrea Scacchi

    Yeah, let’s import all africa in europe! Let’s change completely our laws and institution to accomodate muslim law.
    What bad could happen.
    Fuck this europe of retarded german. I suggest the south of europe should secede from the rest.
    Is not a matter of racism. Is a matter of culture and law. Italian, french, spanish and german law are better than sharia law.
    You are racist.

  8. Jack

    No. It would be undemocratic and tyrannical. Also their model is shown to be the best in terror prevention. First duty of every nation is to protect its citizens and put them first. EU is endangering their citizens for political correctness and that should be punished. All other EU countries should be punished.

  9. Lefter Isuf Gjura

    Did anyone mention refugees!!!
    Yeah, that’s right! Before Poland joined EU that’s what they where REFUGEES!!!!
    And they still economic REFUGEES!!!!
    So is not a political debate but a economic one

  10. Lefter Isuf Gjura

    Did anyone mention refugees!!!
    Yeah, that’s right! Before Poland joined EU that’s what they where REFUGEES!!!!
    And they still economic REFUGEES!!!!
    So is not a political debate but a economic one

  11. Lefter Isuf Gjura

    Did anyone mention refugees!!!
    Yeah, that’s right! Before Poland joined EU that’s what they where REFUGEES!!!!
    And they still economic REFUGEES!!!!
    So is not a political debate but a economic one

  12. Lefter Isuf Gjura

    Did anyone mention refugees!!!
    Yeah, that’s right! Before Poland joined EU that’s what they where REFUGEES!!!!
    And they still economic REFUGEES!!!!
    So is not a political debate but a economic one

  13. Nikos Chardalias

    These countries want only the benefits (aka funds) from EU. They don’t want to have any obligation. Shame of the EU

  14. Cyriaque Bouchet

    Yes, the EU is not only an economic project but a solidarity project. You can’t have only the benefits of being a Member State, you also get the responsibilities. And those are shared by all MS and should be mandatory (according to each MS population and economic situation).

    • Luka Hadra'sei

      It’s true. However, solidarity is only possible when people/countries share similar values. I think that different countries within the EU have different value systems, therefore, to expect absolute and immediate compliance would be beyond miracle. Values change over time.

    • Sandrine Carlier

      Fine then tell the Germans that it is their obligation to dish the Greeks out to their debts..see what they have to say to that.

    • Paul X

      This is not about solidarity but spreading the misery…the EU does not have the political competence or strength to address the immigration crisis at source so all it is trying to do is dilute the problem throughout Europe so it becomes less obvious………until Europe is full that is

  15. Erna Reemers

    No, turkey belongs to EU now too they can take yheir brothers and sisters to help them out, is less dangerous

  16. Jan De Breuk

    Yes, and yes….. and another yes. Either you’re in , or you’re out, you can’t have it both ways.

  17. Dobromir Panchev

    No, the refugees crisis was created to make EU weak. Refugees are big business for criminals who transfer them through the borders illegally. It has nothing to do with humanity. If you want to make good for these people, make sure they are safe in their own countries.

  18. Tim Nick Knight

    The EU still has no real borders no deportations, just paper pushing. Those countries are brave enough to stand up to Merkel and the immigration tsunami she is responsible for creating. Let these other countries decimate their indigious peoples and culture. I am proud of countries like Poland, Hungary Czech for once agian defending Europe

  19. Matej Mlinarič

    Should those pay for damage that was done by immigration instead that let them in? Cause you did that against the will of the masses. You refused to enforce your own laws and you expect everybody to respect your hypocritical extortion….. Clean up your own mess instead of pretending that it doesn’t exist. Only way to do that is protect our borders and deal with those that are already here. Unless you are willing to do that accepting any immigrants present direct threat to our security and our way of life. Any politician that tries to import them against our will be held accountable for crimes immigrants commit. Neither does anybody has any interest at all to pay for their housing, welfare, medical care, education and rest of it. They either work for it like everybody while respecting our laws and its people or they are not welcome. You want them you pay for them with your money. Just you really have any of your own money cause all of it comes from us. Same goes with celebrities. So if this is what kind of EU you want to have then wast majority will turn to far right. Then if you still refuse to respect our interests they will vote to leave. Choice is ultimately yours. If you want this project to survive then populations demographics will be protected. We will not become minority in our own countries and we will not pay anybody for our own destruction. That means that all islamists and their supporters have to be permanently removed.

    • Florian Ockenfuß

      Part of that solidarity are structural funds worth 26 billion over the last five years to Poland alone. Membership does mean that you can only have the benefits.

    • Max Berre

      It’s not solidarity. It’s what they owe for having ignored the conflict when they COULD have done something about it.

      It’s also what they owe in exchange for all the free money and military protection they get from me.

  20. JanV

    No, because the decision to let refugees in was taken unilaterally by Germany without first consulting all other member states.

  21. Nando Aidos

    Europe needs to get its act together. Europe needs to admit it is part and parcel of the mess where all these people are coming from, the mess they are trying to flee, and stop pointing fingers.
    Why should the border countries carry all the burden?

  22. nando

    Europe needs to get its act together. Europe needs to admit it is part and parcel of the mess where all these people are coming from, the mess they are trying to flee, and stop pointing fingers.
    Why should the border countries carry all the burden?

  23. Ron Zwamborn

    Yes, you are in, or you are out.

  24. Tonino Jankov

    No, they shouldnt.
    Who decided to take them in in the first place? On EU level?

    This is one of the reasons for BREXIT, and will help EU fall apart.

    If one can’t decide anymore whom to let into his own house, he better start thinking where did he lose his sovereignity

    • Max Berre

      Who decided for this to happen were mainly all those countries too lazy and self-interested to contribute troops and ships to help us deal with the problem in the first place.

      Eastern Europe did nothing to help manage the situation. Now have to pay what they owe.

    • Tonino Jankov

      Who is “us” in “help us deal”?

    • Tonino Jankov

      And based on what does anyone owe anything to those “us”?

  25. Donnie MacLean

    Why don’t we sanction the USA (entre-autres) for creating the refugee crisis in the first place?
    Why doesn’t anyone want to address the root of the problem?
    I mean thanks to Wikieaks we saw back in 2014 that Hillary Clinton well aware that the Saudis were funding ISIS and Pulitzer prize-winning journalist Seymour Hersg exposed Clinton’s involvement in providing IS with chemical weapons to attack the civilian Syrian population.
    Why not call out the yanks for their direct involvement in terrorism and destabilising yet another sovereign nation ?
    Time to cut the crap folks.

    • Elie Awad

      Plus Turkey .but the EU instead praise Hillary and give help to Turkey and also gave nobel price to Obama

    • Donnie MacLean

      And now the yanks shot down a Syrian war plane that was fighting ISIS apparently. I reeeeeally HATE to be taken for an idiot don’t you ? STOP THE LIES !

  26. JD Blaha

    Reverse the question. Should the rest of the EU pay for the human rights abuses that the state of Hungary does at its border near Serbia?

    • Max Berre

      I like the way you’ve put it. Even the Serbian government admits that Hungary’s behavior is embarassing.

    • JD Blaha

      Max Berre Hungary’s border guards have been reported to be sending dogs to attack refugees at the border, and more – even Serbia doesn’t do that.

  27. Zeljka Jeramaz

    Countries which caused chaos in the Middle East should repair the damage not the countries which had nothing to do with it. Sorry, but my country had been Ante Murale Christianitatis for 500 years and in return the so called civilized Europe treats us like sh… So big guys taste your own medicine for once thank you.

    • Zeljka Jeramaz

      Adam Benjamin Henrik Hall thank you for that but no thanks keep your former colony citizens .

    • Max Berre

      LOL. Your country ignored a large conflict in its own backyard and hoped that there would be no consequences for that?

      LOL

    • Zeljka Jeramaz

      Max Berre what are you talking about? You have to be more precise, there are a lot of different conflicts in my country. Thanks to games big countries play.

  28. Omar Gavilanes Cruz

    Yes. Being part of a group means that you have rights and duties.
    Other countries are doing their job so if they don’t want to contribute in accepting their share of refugees, they should at least give a financial support.

    • Ivan Burrows

      :

      You consider the Brussels created migrant crisis, the Euro crisis, the banking crisis, the agricultural crisis, the democratic deficit crisis and the misery heaped onto millions of people across the EU to be ‘benefits’ ????

  29. Zsolt Barczy

    How stupid. Turn the table and understand. Let’s see the following scenario:

    I am Hungarian. I am an arrogant bastard, I bomb the world and spread my evil ideology, killing and maiming innocent people whose only sin and fault is that they don’t want my ideology and value system, claiming that theirs is better. I am an arrogant fool, so I don’t take no for an answer, so if they don’t bow to me, I bomb them, spread my stupid values by the sword.

    Now, these people have enough of my hubris and attack me back. They want to swarm Hungary, they send every young man to claim refugee status in my country to punish me for my Evil and illegal wars on them.

    The only problem is, that for whatever geographical reason, these so-called “refugees”, in fact tricky soldiers, have to march through Germany (obviously the situation is the other way around, but for the sake of this example let’s assume it is not). Now I ask Germany to a) let them through, and b) take in a few of them themselves.

    Do we understand the unjust and ridiculous nature of this request?

    Now turn it around and you will understand why the Hungarians a) don’t let these hordes through their land and b) don’t take them in on behalf of Germany.

    Do you understand? Hungarians did NOT colonize the world. Hungarians did not go to Africa, Americas, Middle-East, Asia to teach them Hungarian language, to tell them how to life, what God to worship, etc… Hungarians are NOT ARROGANT FOOLS. Capisci?

    So, Hungarians don’t want to “share the burden” of some arrogant European colonialist bastards who screw the world for 300 years and will bite the dust soon as the consequence of their arrogance and hubris.

    By the way, in this current example the irony of the situation is that actually Germany isn’t a major colonialist power either… Germany should refuse to accept any “refugees” (my ass), too. Germany could argue that Germany does not bomb Syria, Libya, Egypt, Yemen, Iraq, Afghanistan, etc, so it has a clean hand, so all these angry “refugees” (in fact: new-age combatants) should go to the FUKUS Axis of Evil countries (France, UK, US) and punish them for their limitless hubris. The problem is, none of these FUKUS countries are as wealthy, as advanced and as civilized as Germany is, and these “refugees” are not stupid: they want a better life, so obviously they go to the best countries in the world: Germany and Scandinavia.

    Bad luck, Germany indeed. However, all this is not a reason to ask much poorer, much less developed countries to “share the burden”. Hungary, Poland and Czechoslovakia (yeah, I know, let me abbreviate it as such for now), in other words the CENTRAL EUROPEAN COUNTRIES have all the right to say “f*** off!” when the WESTERN bastards screw it up and want the Central Europeans to save their ass. No, we won’t. You cooked this soup, you eat it…

    We can be compassionate, and we Hungarians can help these Western bastards to calm down and advise them how to stop messing with the world, how to stop their stupid colonization efforts, how NOT to engage in arrogant regime change operations globally, how NOT to interfere with the internal affairs of other countries, how NOT to “bomb the hell out of” other countries, how NOT to spread stupid, backward, immoral ideologies to countries that are centuries, even millennia ahead of the West in moral development, in other words, how to behave like a civilized human being. That would solve the problem on the LONG TERM. On the short term, well bad luck: Central Europe is no partner in cleaning up the mess the West had and has created and keeps creating… Peace

    • Arnout Posthumus

      No. Your country accepted the eu rules and human rights. Piss off if you dont want democracy.

    • Paul X

      “countries that are centuries, even millennia ahead of the West in moral development, in other words, how to behave like a civilized human being”

      Of course, because burying women accused of adultery up to their neck and having a mob throw rocks at their head is acceptable?…. hanging young girls from cranes who have been raped and accused of “crimes against chastity” is normal?…if this is what west will be doing when it eventually catches up with these “civilised” societies then god help us all

    • カメニャク マリオ

      No nation in history is truly innocent. Go back 100-200 years. You were setting up prime ministers in my country that was back then just a region of hungary. You were trying to ‘hungarize’ my country Croatia. Not to mention that at one point you even tried to force us to use your language by changing all signs on official government buildings. And you did similar things to Slovakia as well. And then in WW2 your government just had to collaborate with nazis.

      Or if we go even further back 1000 years ago you were just a horde of nomads(immigrants) yourselves. All of central europe had problems with you back then.

      Alright that all was a long time ago so now it’s mostly forgiven.

      My country’s government in WW2 were also nazi collaborators. And I still REGRET that to this day. I woud rather die than be a nazi collaborator(or even just live under a nazi regime, without fighting it in some way).

      Ok, Hungary didn’t do nothing wrong to muslims specifically, but that is not my point. My point is that no nation on this planet is truly ‘innocent’, as in it has never done anything wrong.

    • Maia Alexandrova

      Paul X, you must be describing practices from India and Pakistan… These things don’t happen in Central European countries, unless probably if they are done by the nomads of Indian origin there, i.e. the Roma gypsies. Your knowledge about the people living in Central and Eastern Europe and their cultures seems to be non-existent… The Roma population is an ethnic minority, they have very barbaric practices indeed, which they inherited from their motherland – India, but their customs do not represent in any way the customs and practices of ethnic Europeans! No ethnic Hungarians, Poles or Czech people ever do such atrocities! Following your logic, we can say that the traditional English culture (which descended from the Anglo-Saxons), includes practises such as female genital mutilation, acid attacks, honour killings and full-face Islamic covering…

    • Paul X

      Maia, you have not understood the topic

      The original posters reference to ” regime change ” and “bombing the hell out of other countries” clearly indicates he is talking about the Middle East…and it is there that you will find the barbaric practices I mention being carried out

  30. jakov

    Not at all. Every country should decide if they want to receive migrants or not. GB, Germany and Sweden received a great amount of migrants and they have terrorist attack on daily basis. Poland, Hungary and Check Republic decided not to receive migrants and there is no terrorist attack in their countries.

  31. Penka David Rose

    No, they are the only ones that care for Europe and its culture. The western corporations and capitalists just want more people to work for them, no matter what. That is not tolerance, that is greed. That’s why they make a mess everywhere in the world. Not everything is money! Well done to the east european countries!

    • Rosanna Roxy Corty

      So what to do with the migrants crossing the Mediterranean on rubber boats? You leave them drowning to protect your culture? Or should a single state like Italy be left alone to deal with the phenomenon since it is not your duty? Don’t you feel your reasoning is at least a bit selfish?

    • Paul X

      The logical thing is to stop them entering the boats in the first place.
      Spreading the problem throughout Europe does not stop it being a problem….eventually every country in Europe would have as many immigrants as Italy and Greece, then where do we send them?

  32. Joao Antonio Camoes

    No. EU it is not a federal state.questions that afect each countries sovereignty should be decided by national governments or parliaments. We are now facing EU deconstruction due Brussels (?) “martial law” that imposes every thing about … everything. EEC was running very well until some globalists bureocrats change the rules of the game without questioning nationals through national polls.

    • Faddi Zsolt

      Kick you out from European Union

  33. Ricardo Teixeira

    No. There is nothing in EU rules when they joined that said they were obligated to accept refugees. If they don’t want to take refugees is their choice.

  34. Aris Olibiakaras Gia Panta

    No, it’s their right not to accept refugees! And after the war finishes and security is guaranteed send them back! This is the only solution!!!!!!!!!!!

  35. Wendy Harris

    No, you cannot sanction a country for defending itself against invasion. It’s strange that people seem to have forgotten that the last Islamic caliphate was an empire or that the Islamic slave trade lasted for 14 centuries (and still goes on today) compared to a mere 4 centuries of Atlantic/European slavery.

  36. Mariusz Jędrzyński

    If they should sanction Poland then they also should sanction all the other countries who have not accepted their quotas.

  37. Aleksandrs Frederiks Znovs

    No! This was idea of corrumped EU authorities who wishes to show to others how “kind” they are. In the same time EU takes no responsibility and will not protect any EU country for terror and crime. So why????

    • Julia Hadjikyriacou

      I don’t politicians do anything because they are kind. They always have an agenda that increases profits. For example, an addition of a class of desperate rightless workers and future tax payers.

  38. Aleksandar Greguric

    No. We had no colonies, we had no slaves and we sure as hell do not get cheap oil. So don’t play that blame game on us. It’s all on you.

  39. Pierluigi Michetti

    There are rules and laws.
    They don’t respect them?
    Sanction the hell out of ’em.

    And have those who keep spamming about “invasions” and “holy wars” follow a two years class about civil and human rights, before letting them vote again.

    • Camille Gabriel

      Where is it written in the European law that countries should blindly accept refugees from the whole world, regardless of their religion, ethnicity and culture… Nowhere ! If Germany wants to welcome all the Middle East, so as they can improve their reputation because of their dark Nazi history, that’s ok ! Although replacing their own people by all these strangers doesn’t seem to be a solution. But we can”t force the whole continent to follow blindly these suicidal and nonsensical policies. All these absurd choices are shaping a very conflictual context everywhere. All our peoples should be informed and asked about such crucial topics, we all should have a say about whether or not we want to welcome foreigners. ( who exactly, how many, forever or for a short amount of time… ).

    • Pierluigi Michetti

      “The Commission believes that the three Visegrad states are failing to meet the obligations set out in a 2015 refugee relocation plan.”

      If you want to be in a club, you respect the rules.
      You can’t make up your own rules. Simple as that. :)

    • Stefania Portici

      è vero, però le regole vanno scritte in una lingua che si capisce . Se dai le regole imposte con una lingua sonosciuta…….sa di fregatura . Uno può anche firmare per la fiducia ma poi quando capisce che è stato raggirato non vuole altre regole se non sono chiare

    • Pierluigi Michetti

      Cos-

      Gli accordi internazionali vengono tradotti nelle lingue dei vari partecipanti, e sono scritti anche nella lingua commerciale internazionale (l’inglese), che tutti ormai dovrebbero saper parlare come seconda lingua.

      Non parliamo di tizi che vendono orologi falsi nei vicoli o di compagnie telefoniche che fanno firmare contratti-truffa, ma di trattati internazionali all’interno dell’Unione Europea.

  40. Kamila Anna Sotomska

    Niels In my opinion, yes, but… and here comes the big but – there is a problem with sanctioning the whole country while a) the PiS government is to be blamed – there are private persons and organizations in Poland that wanted to take refugees and they were prevented from doing so by the government, to include 10 families in the city of Sopot offered to take orphans and provide medical care for them! Moreover, even the church, whose political views are usually in life with the ones of conservative government of PiS, is calling for acceptance of refugees due to a Christian and human obligation to do so. b) Sanctioning procedures are usually long enough for a government to change. Given that elections are coming in 2 years, the consequences of sanctions are likely to fall on political parties that always supported the idea of providing a safe haven to refugees and above all, on the citizens, who disagree with the government either way. All in all, I am ashamed this situation has ever taken place and I am truly ashamed of my country.

  41. Lonzo Bildelberg

    If taking in political and war refugees is a given in their constitution or in the European one (as it is in the Italian one) then yes they should

  42. Julia Hadjikyriacou

    Sanction America, Saudi Arabia, Turkey and Israel. Basically sanction murder, torture and theft. What is wrong with the EU?? If the EU starts sanctioning EU member countries for EU rules most EU citizens don’t agree with the EU will eventually collapse.

  43. Hugo Miguel Carriço

    Give a Sancttion to United States of America, They should take all those refugges. Why? It’s them who start those silly wars, it’s not what they say: Protect and serve, its to do the war, take all the richness of all those countries, take the geostrategic position and rule.
    Open your eyes Europe. The Evil is USA not Russia.

  44. catherine benning

    Should the EU sanction Poland, Hungary, and the Czech Republic for refusing refugees?

    Sanctions? What sanctions? Financial?

    What you are suggesting is, unless Poland, Hungary, Czech Republic and so on allow their borders to be opened to the horrendous social and criminal events taking place all across Europe, as a direct result, of mass migration you will make them suffer physically, by taking away any money they may have. Just as they have done to Greece.

    What you should be asking is, do those countries believe that being part of the EU is worth what they feel will be the destruction of their natural social cohesion and their cultural way of life.

    If the answer to that is, yes, then those separate nations must accept what they feel will happen to them with open arms.

    • Max Berre

      Although that sounds like what needs to be done, it is worth noting that the eastern europeans aren’t willing to contribute the ships, troops, or hard power resources to make this a reality.

      They are just a bunch of free-rider governments waiting for the next welfare-subsidy check from our part of europe.

  45. Lynda Germon

    No..they can’t afford to stay solvent for their own citizens ..how can they take in refugees ?

    • Max Berre

      Although it would have been cheaper for them to just send peacekeepers to the conflict zone, they were busy free-riding so hard that they didn’t wanna do that.

      Now it’s their turn to help deal with the consequences of heir previous inaction and laziness.

  46. José Bessa da Silva

    Obviously not. The EU is not a federal state. It is not a country. Stop meddling with sovereign issues or things will get worse for Brussels. Brexit is just the star. Departugal now!

  47. Dimitris Orfanoudis

    The invation of migrants to the eastern Argean islands has affected dramatically the lives of local population. People are tired and upset with whole situation and 90% are negative in the idea to relocate migrants.. The above mentioned countries they have the right toprotect the sovereingty not allowing relocation of migrants .. Well done

  48. Rosanna Roxy Corty

    Yes! Why should Italy only be obliged to accept all migrants? Because of our geographical position? Because of the Dublin rules? The world has changed since Dublin agreements! And then if we are a union Italy is the union border! You do not want to share the burden? Then Europe should study a common strategy, not just turn a blind eye on what is happening! If countries take the sweets, I.e. European funds, then they should also take the opposite!

  49. Rosanna Roxy Corty

    Yes! Why should Italy only be obliged to accept all migrants? Because of our geographical position? Because of the Dublin rules? The world has changed since Dublin agreements! And then if we are a union Italy is the union border! You do not want to share the burden? Then Europe should study a common strategy, not just turn a blind eye on what is happening! If countries take the sweets, I.e. European funds, then they should also take the opposite!

  50. Luca Kulikov

    What wrong with you political people are you taking them in your house or??? Stop the f…ing war in their country because enough is enough with this propaganda, Europe can’t solve their economical problem and European are suffering I mean tax payers

  51. Luca Kulikov

    What wrong with you political people are you taking them in your house or??? Stop the f…ing war in their country because enough is enough with this propaganda, Europe can’t solve their economical problem and European are suffering I mean tax payers

  52. Mimi Voiculescu

    Merkel invited them to her country and should keep them there. She created the problem and didn t ask us then. We have nothing to do with that and should not be obligated to take them . Many people from our country is seeking jobs in other countries because here are under payed or don t find work. We have lots of problems as it is. Plus some refugees turn out to be terrorists . Is not fair to be punished for not want to take refugees !

    • Rosanna Roxy Corty

      Ah really? I think you missed the news that EU has paid turkey to stop the influx through Balcans so almost all the migrants try the crossing to Italy which is the only open door to Europe. Should Italy be left alone to deal with the “problem” in your opinion??????????!???

    • Camille Gabriel

      If Italy should not handle the whole migrant crisis alone, there is absolutely nothing which justifies other fragile countries from central Europe to handle it… France, The Uk or Germany ok, these big countries are in favor of the multicultural utopia ( or dystopia actually ). and they don’t really care about their own people anymore. But we cant impose it to other countries and ask us to blindly follow our suicidal choices… ( countries which by the way know by experience how hard and challenging is it to deal with diversity of religions and ethnicities … )

    • Rosanna Roxy Corty

      What about if it was Poland in such a geographical position where thousands of migrants are taken by all kind of flag vessels on a daily basis? Do you think an acceptable response by the rest of Europe would be just control your borders and then drop the country to face the crisis alone?

    • Mimi Voiculescu

      What is EU doing to cure the sickness at its roots so that the migrants would go back ? We don t see anything being done.

    • Mimi Voiculescu

      I m not from Poland, my country got its share of migrants .

    • Rosanna Roxy Corty

      Mimi Voiculescu not much because many just believe they can resolve the “problem” by building walls at their borders😀

  53. Sari Bruno

    Of course, in this case as in others all EU countries must participate since all these countries have signed the EU treaties. I would make another question; why should only Italy take care alone of all those people asking for asylum? This situation has dramatically affected Italians for some years now. On the other hand, the EU must make huge effort to stop illegal immigration. By the way relocation doesn´t mean to give everybody residence permits to stay in the EU, but it helps to proceed these applications faster.

    • Mimi Voiculescu

      Nobody signet anything regarding reaceving migrants . Check it out !

    • Sari Bruno

      Mimi Voiculescu : You did want be part of the EU; solidarity not selfiness, please.

  54. Km

    Poland is recipient of highest EU developments fundfrom EU. €40 billions annually. Germany is the largest national economy in Europe, the fourth-largest by nominal GDP in the world, and fifth by GDP (PPP). The country is a founding member of the European Union and the Eurozone. Germany has been allocated EUR 27.87 billion from ESI Funds for the period 2014-2020. With a minimum national contribution of EUR 16.7 billion, Germany has a total budget of EUR 44.58 billion to be invested in various areas, from SME competitiveness to social inclusion, research and innovation as well as energy efficiency and the environment. A lot more then any other country in he EU. Western countries has been absorbing millions fmillions refugees from East europeans since WW2. Highest amounts of refugess in western Europe are east europe after USSR collapsed. These east europen received hundreds hundreds billions before and after joins EU. EU as improvement to millions of life of eastern european. UK has received a lot more immigrant and socil welfare recipients rom east in 10years then in 70years from rest of the world. USA, UK & NATO, has created mess in afghistan, Somalia, sudan, Lybia, Syria, Pakistan, Ukraine, Iraq, Iran and Yogosalvia to reduced Russian influences in the world. Saudi, UAE, Qatar, Turkey, Egypt, Kuwait are the puppets (personals Dogs) of USA and UK. These countries has been funding as accordingly wishes of USA and UK for Zionists regime’s.

  55. Ivan Burrows

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    According to the UN charter of human rights the peoples of Poland, Hungary and the Czech Republic have the right to self determination, to ignore this just proves the EU is a dictatorship, not a democracy.,

    The EU fanatics should remember that the EU is a union of ‘Nation’ States, it is not and never will be a country in its own right.

    So many pro EU comments on here happy to override the wishes of other ‘Europeans’ in the name of their empire building, Europeanism will end as all crazed European ideologies end.

    • Auer Bru

      Lol actually you have no idea How International law works

    • Ivan Burrows

      Auer Bru
      (Troll)

      Whatever you say comrade, whatever you say.

      UN Charter Article 1.2:

      To develop friendly relations among nations based on respect for the principle of equal rights and self-determination of peoples, and to take other appropriate measures to strengthen universal peace;

      http://www.un.org/en/sections/un-charter/chapter-i/index.html

  56. Milo Kobalicek

    I think those countries, which refused solidarity with other countries in EU, should be sanctioned, perhaps some cut from funds – those money should be send to countries, which will use it in refugee crisis.

    • Maciek Zbżerzny

      So let’s relegate 1.5 mln of Ukrainians from Poland.

    • Milo Kobalicek

      Hi Maciek, are they considered in Poland as economic refugees, or people suffering from war? Also, when I wrote about solidarity with other EU countries, I meant countries like Greece, Italy etc. – I think it would be fair to give them at least such a help.

  57. Maurice Lezmi

    Unfortunatly NO NO NO as of some countries of Europe made a mistake and will loose their nationality. Others are not ready for the same mistake.

  58. Tgame Bond

    Yessssssssss! !…..bcos their are greedy & selfish. ..While themselves travel to other countries, like Uk to search for work, better life and benefits. …..racist country!

  59. Auer Bru

    Technically John kerry slipped tongue caused no intervention and lack of decisivness in the western World back in 2012. So war instead one year is still being fought. Eu albo didnt do much about sarin back then. So then russians blocked the whole issue with syria and extender the conflict even further by pushing back the rebels obce again and raising the death toll. Then there was the negotioation fiasco between germany and turkey and all the hell broke loose turkey kind of switched sides and changed mind immigrants were flooding europe and among them albo some isis infiltrators. If there were expeditionary Force that included armor divisions and mechanized infantry the conflict could have been finished early without aby help of the us and flood of immigrants could have been,stopped at its core back when It was a tiny problem. Now europe learns what a capable european army could save them from, probably also turkey wouldnt break negotiations if war in syria would meet a strong answer early

  60. Auer Bru

    Technically John kerry slipped tongue caused no intervention and lack of decisivness in the western World back in 2012. So war instead one year is still being fought. Eu albo didnt do much about sarin back then. So then russians blocked the whole issue with syria and extender the conflict even further by pushing back the rebels obce again and raising the death toll. Then there was the negotioation fiasco between germany and turkey and all the hell broke loose turkey kind of switched sides and changed mind immigrants were flooding europe and among them albo some isis infiltrators. If in 2012 there were expeditionary Force that included armor divisions and mechanized infantry the conflict could have been finished early without aby help of the us and flood of immigrants could have been,stopped at its core back when It was a tiny problem with a good foothold to strike isis after syria. Now europe learns what a capable european army could save them from, probably also turkey wouldnt break negotiations if war in syria would meet a strong answer early. The problem with migrants and polish governing party also wouldnt exist if eu would send troops to syria back then. I think the civilian casualties in Eu gave a lesson for the whole europe that needs a more aggressive and active stance against its close neighbours. The problem was and still is syria originally not Poland Or other member states. Eu needs to defend its citizens and assad gov taken out early wouldnt produce all those refugees and war with isis would be much easier without Russia. I would advocate a 100.000 quick reaction expeditionary Force consisting of heavy divisions and other conventional forces with a separate european Special operations command. The mobile Force as needed could be extended to at least 300k troops with slower Combat readiness.

  61. Spyros Tsakos

    In the context of solidarity yes they should be sanctioned, that does not mean that they should accept every migrant, after all the rellocation scheme talks about specific numbers and of course there should be background checks for troublemakers. But the visegard four should see the problem not only from their side but also from the side of the countries that face the brunt of the migrant crisis(Italy and Greece -as Germany is an better position to tackle the problem- in the EU, Turkey, Lebanon, Jordan outside), not to mention that they and others outside the EU have to be reminded that the migrant crisis is a global crisis, you can’t shut yourself out of it even if you build walls(because that means that simply people will die in order to get pass them or drown in the sea to reach their destination). In the case of the EU the visegard four critisize the Commision on the matter without realising or forgeting that this lack of solidarity is shown in other matters as well like the economic crisis which also they critisize negatively of course. You won’t solve the problem by refusing to accept migrants, this oversimplistic way of thinking and the though of all migrants being invaders(in that sense for instance then Greeks and Hungarians were also invaders when the went as economic migrants mostly in other countries) will make the problem worst for them and us. In short dear Europeans the Union is not in danger because of migrants but from the lack of solidarity between its members and the selfishness that some of them promote in matters that affect us all. Of course any sanction will be food for fascists and far-righters in these four countries mainly but it is exactly these kind of people who see a complex problem as a simplistic one and don’t give a damn about others except their own.

  62. Rosanna Roxy Corty

    Can anyone explain why should only Italy, at it’s own cost and efforts, deal ALONE with the migrant crisis?

    • Maciek Zbżerzny

      You should start to protect your borders firstly

    • Rosanna Roxy Corty

      Maciek Zbżerzny ah really? I draw your attention that there are several European flagged vessels, plus various ong such as medcins sans frontieres, moas, etc, which are active in search and rescue and take all the migrants to Italy. How we can protect our borders? Please enlighten me😜

    • Maia Alexandrova

      What is the situation at the moment? Italian ships go to the Libyan shore, wait for a boat with illegal travellers to sink and then pick them up, go all the way across the Mediterranean Sea and dump them in Italy, then sail back to Libya for the next operation. As a first step, the ships can turn to the opposite direction and leave the migrants back on the Libyan shore where they can be helped by EU. If the Italian government wants to bring them to Italy for some reason, then it should organise a safe and humane way for that to happen, for example, by arranging a regular air plane service for illegal migrants from Libya to Italy. Either one, or the other. What the Italian ships are doing at the moment is not helping anyone, but only encouraging more people to drown near the Libyan shore. It is cruel and inhumane and needs to stop! Sanctions on Hungary, Poland and the Czech Republic will not contribute anything towards solving the problem. Italy should start listening to the proposals of those countries, rather than patronise them!

  63. Faddi Zsolt

    Hungary has a bloody experience of muslim invasion from the Osman Empire! In those times the fuckin’ west made conspirative moves against Rex Mathias Corvinus, so he concentrated his forces against them, and had no chance to split his forces in two to defend Hungary from Turkey! After Rex Corvinus’ death Turkey invaded the country and oppressed it for 150 years! Fuck off you moron politicians in the EU! You didn’t have any experience until now!

  64. Stefania Portici

    abbiamo un problema grande e non è giusto che lo affrontiamo da soli. La UE dovrebbe sanzionare in tutti i sensi : in denaro , in isolamento e chi ha creato il problema si prende l’immigrato a carico, QUESTO E’ GIUSTO. . Se noi andiamo ad affrontare i problemi che ci hanno creato gli altri ,pagando di tasca nostra dei sacrifici umani che veramente stiamo facendo , QUESTO NON E’ GIUSTO, lo stiamo facendo ma non è giusto

    • Stefania Portici

      si chiede di sanzionare la Polonia , l’Ungheria, la Repubblica Ceca ….e va bene ci sta. Non si chiede MAI però di sanzionare la FRANCIA o l’INGHILTERRA loro che veramente andrebbero sanzionate per aver creato il problema immigrazione . Se si va a punire chi crea i problemi ( non hi li subisce ) vedrai che ci pensano in futuro prima di fare altri guai

    • Chisty Pqy

      Non lo affrontate da soli che ci stanno anche degli altri paesi che accogliono migranti… L’Italia non li tiene, i migranti. Noi li teniamo, voi li mandate via…
      Capisco che siate stufati, anche noi lo siamo ma cosa ci dovremmo fare? Francia, Belgio, Germania…ce ne sono anche da noi.
      Buona serata!

    • Stefania Portici

      la Francia è abituata perchè è una colonizzatrice , ha immigrati di terza generazione , noi no. . Noi abbiamo avuto turisti controllati ma mai cosi tanta , ma tanta , ma tanta immigrazione . Non è una immigrazione normale è una invasione . Quelli che vengono da voi non sono niente in confronto a quelli che vengono qui dal 2012 circa in poi , ma nell’ultimo anno 2016 è stato tragico , va peggiorando

    • Stefania Portici

      poi adesso si è creato un giro in più.Arrivano tanti immigrati minorenni senza genitori e quelli giustamente restano da noi per tutelarli . I bambini soli , salvati da noi e mandati da voi sono scomparsi ….traffico di organi !? Abuso minorile !? Sono morti !? Non è stata una cosa carina quello che è successo , per cui adesso i bambini soli non vanno fuori , restano qui e vengono protetti. La legge è giusta ma ……ci sta qualcosa che non quadra ……come mai i genitori mandano via i figli da soli? Mi sembra strano perchè non sono pochi

    • Rosanna Roxy Corty

      Chisty Pqy ma cosa vi tenete? Li drenate in Francia e li riammettete in Italia perché ritenete che siano “nostra responsabilità “. Metà Africa parla francese, non italiano, semmai sono vostra responsabilità, anche per la destabilizzazione della libya dove pensavate di portare democrazia ed invece guarda cos’è oggi. Buona serata anche a lei!

    • Chisty Pqy

      Non è la nostra responsabilità pet gli Africani. Non abbiamo colonizzati l’Algeria o il Marocco. Accogmiamo i Congolesi e sono dapperutto anche loro.
      Capisco benissimo che ci stia tanta gente e che siate stati invasi, ma perché siete anche nell’Europa, dovete farlo lo stesso. Le regole sono uguali per tutti.
      NB: non sono francese, sono belga. E non siamo responsibili per niente, quella guerra non l’abbiamo voluta.

    • Chisty Pqy

      Stefania Portici : cosa ne sai che non sono niente in confronto ai vostri? Ci sei stata tu in Belgio? A Bruxelles? Fatti un giro a Bruxelles e Liegi e poi la discussione continuerà!

    • Stefania Portici

      Chisty Pqy l’Africa e il medio oriente sono stati devastati dai francesi , inglesi , americani . Non importa quanti immigrati avete ed abbiamo ma importa sapere quale è la ragione del perchè questi Paesi occidentali hanno agito cosi. Tutto queste guerre sono state fatte per il cambiamento climatico ? Guerra per prevenire guerra ? Gli immigrati per il cambiamento climatico ancora non ci sono….quelli saranno una emergenza ,ma ci arriveremo stufi. Poi…sul cambiamento climatico bisognerebbe saperne di più, di che si tratta e come si è deciso di intervenire….. è probabile che esistano altre soluzioni pacifiche alla guerre . Le soluzioni per far restare la gente nella propria terra ed essere padroni della loro terra ci sono e non si capisce perchè non sono attuate , prese in considerazione. Ci sono cose che non sappiamo ? Non dobbiamo chiederci quanti immigrati abbiamo ma perchè sono cacciatti dalla loro terra

    • Stefania Portici

      ci sta un vecchio detto che dice ” chi è causa del suoi mal pianga se stesso” chi ha causato tutta questa immigrazione non ha il diritto di lamentarsi ma ci sono Paesi come il mio che non lo hanno causato ed abbiamo tutto il diritto di farlo. Noi stiamo supportando un problema creato da voi dunque non avete il diritto di mettervi nella condizione in cui vi ergete e se lo fate siete presuntuosi . Il dialogo VERO tra Paesi che ognuno prende in considerazione l’altro per crescere insieme , vi siete dimenticati come è fatto ? Fin’ora a noi ci avete azzittiti , azzerati , ci avete scaricato i vostri danni e ci avete derubati . Cioè…..ma davvero ?

  65. Jerzy Zajączkowski

    It is necessary to restore the borders of the Member States. Every country has to watch over its borders. Otherwise, the EU will disintegrate. It is not possible to accept all willing to come to Europe.

  66. Moreira France

    yes of course Poland ,Hungary, and Czech Republic ,EU also offered “solidarity “for these countries, and then,they only wanted welfare provided by EU.

    • Maciek Zbżerzny

      what about solidarity with Poland with Nord Stream 2 ?

  67. Eugenia Serban

    No.
    No way.
    1. Eastern Europe (Poland, Romania, Bulgaria, Serbia) fought against the muslim invasion of the Otoman Empire for 500 years; the West was protected by these countries and nations, we were exploited, slaughtered, enslaved, plundered
    That s why the East is poor and the West is rich, because the East had to stand up to muslim invaders for 500 years
    2. Eastern Europe has not caused war ot any conflicts in the Middle East or Africa

    • Chryssa Chronakis

      Stay out of EU.Not when you benefit only.There are obligations pal.

    • Alessandro Ali Vit

      So we as sovreign countries must stop paying tens of billions of euros to them in structural funds.

      If they are sovreign countries they can help themselves, they do kot need our help.

      Then.we will use that money to help refugees here.

    • Maia Alexandrova

      Chryssa Chronakis, imagine that Poland, Hungary and the Czech Republic left EU. Would the illegal migrants stop coming? Will the money saved bring an end to the crisis and be enough to look after every migrant properly, while still continuing to take hundreds of thousands more? Don’t you realise how useless your suggestion is?

  68. Andreas Nikolaidis

    Εφοσον θελουν τους προσφυγες ας αποδεκτουν ΟΛΑ τα κρατη μελη αναλογα του πληθυσμου τους και της οικονομικης ευχεριας τους

  69. Carl Sebastian Steenekamp

    The EU are a bunch of hypocrites. Czech Republic and Poland have very very good human rights records but they get sanctions imposed on them for trying to protect their society. But yet also, they want open borders and free trade with the Middle East who treats their women like second class citizens.

    • Andres Baz García

      To protect who? And from whom? From immigrants who are fleeing 4 wars? From homosexuals, given the lowest protection standard bestowed by Poland and Czech Republic? From even the own EU, given the lowest rate of fulfilment of the European Court of Justice and the European Court of Human Rights’ decisions by Poland, just behind Russia in this last one?
      What I think is that every country should protect their societies from people like you, who have no idea at all of how refugees are living and how much they’ve lost. We all are humans and the EU is based upon peace and tolerance. The same tolerance that keeps me out of thinking that you shouldn’t be entitled to the european citizenship, taking advantage of the privileges built by post-war societies that wanted to make an effort to understand one anothers and then not understanding what this civil status means.

    • Carl Sebastian Steenekamp

      Andres Baz García . What most refugees are doing to western countries are outrageous and unthinkable. Just look at all the terrorist attacks that is going on all over Europe; Paris, Manchester, Munich, Stockholm, London, etc, etc, etc. Before the selfish Angela Merkel let in all the millions of thugs, Europe was just fine. She is very selfish for letting all those people in without listening to her own people, she is committing national suicide. Many many refugees pose as 14 year old children to get higher chances of getting to the West, and receives more welfare benefits because their “underaged”. They don’t move to Europe because of peace​ and harmony, they move to get free welfare.

    • Carl Sebastian Steenekamp

      Andres Baz García , and btw, I was never, is not, and never will be on the welfare system because I work hard and focus on my future, unlike most refugees.

  70. Kokonas George

    Refugee, based on the International Law, is someone only as long as his life is in danger and he is “moving” to save himself. The first country, which provides security, is the last in which he is classified as a refuge and is valid. … A refugee, for example, is the Syrian “up” to Turkey or Jordan and Lebanon. If he leaves these countries, which offer him security and protection, he automatically turns into an illegal migrant. END OF STORY

  71. Luísa Cunha Ventura Gagean

    Of course not. All the others should be sanctioned, for not understanding, what the Islam wants from EU. I say it again, the refugees must go to Saudi Arabia, and other countries with the same Religion. Dont invite those who cannot understand our values.

  72. Larry Moffett

    Yes. Just a quarter turn clockwise of the tap from which billions of EU structural and cohesion funds are flowing.

  73. Mataroa Dida

    No! Each country has the right to decide what it wants specially when it comes to safety. Forcing one to ‘comply’ is dictatorship.

    • Alessandro Ali Vit

      So we can decide unilaterally to stop paying tens of billions of Euro to them in structural funds?

      Well, deal done! Then we use all that money to host refugees in our countries.

    • Maia Alexandrova

      Alessandro Ali Vit, with that rate of taking illegal migrants to Italy, the money from the sanctions will finish very quickly. Who are you going to sanction next in order to sustain the continuous intake of thousands more migrants from Libya?

  74. Wiktoria Anilom

    It is not that easy…could you publish all the times the presidents of the EU countries have said this: we should stop the war. Once you found it then we talk.

  75. Vicente Silva Tavares

    Why countries should be forced to receive Muslim migrants and in a few years start having Muslim terrorism like Germany and France? Why countries should be forced to accept Muslim migrants and in a few years start having the rapes, stealings and drug trafficking? Why do you wonder Social-Democrats parties are loosing their electorate ? It is not we are embracing international issues and not listening our own workers? Why EU could not help them in their countries or neighbors? Muslims did not integrate, do not integrate and will not integrate. Thanks to Saudi Arabia. Later they will bite the hand that feed them.

    • Nadia Dereguardati

      No..nothing to do with past. These are not refugees at all. The true ones are not here!

    • Maria Leitão

      Nadia Dereguardati please study history.. They were imigrants in Brazil, all of them, excuse me, I ‘ m brazilian And I know that! They are millions of imigrants in Brazil, And we are pleasure because we received them. How they forgot… They forgot, but we havé registration on ower country. Sorry…

  76. Geoffrey Terry

    In effect the situation was initiated on a whim of Angela Merkel. Had there been a democratic discussion before she welcomed the world, on behalf of Europe, The Czech Republic, Poland and Hungary would, no doubt, have pointed out that their countries are finally ‘semi-free’, following 50 years of control by either Germany or Russia. The only restricting factor being that of undemocratic decisions by the EU.
    Dictatorship is not the answer to accommodating Merkel’s pleasure!

  77. Pedro Vidal

    no. They have no obligation to it. However, they should be more tolerant societies.

    • Pedro Vidal

      everything… people of color, other religions, other choices in life.

  78. Carlos Matias

    If so many other countries are sanctioned for failing to comply with EU rules why would Hungary, Poland and the Czech Republic be different? This is a non subject. Sanctions exist for these very same situations. Apply them.

  79. Zbigniew Jankowski

    Sanctions .. are always acts against integration and the EU project is about integration. I’am polish and say that sanctions are no solution in relation to my country which became free only abt 25 years ago and became an EU full member only a little bit more than 10 years ago.. Why .. ? Well the main mechanism of democracy should be dialogue … and many people in my country do not yet understand the realities connected with being a member of EU. There is still a lot of work to be done in this field. I also thinks that In principle people are not against other people. They are usually against BAD politics or solutions or THINGS they do not understand. Will sanctions help to change this ?? I doubt it..

  80. Zbigniew Jankowski

    Sanctions .. are always acts against integration and the EU project is about integration. I’am polish and say that sanctions are no solution in relation to my country which became free only abt 25 years ago and became an EU full member only a little bit more than 10 years ago.. Why .. ? Well the main mechanism of democracy should be dialogue … and many people in my country do not yet understand the realities connected with being a member of EU. There is still a lot of work to be done in this field. I also think that in principle people are not against other people. They are usually against BAD politics or solutions or THINGS they do not understand. Will sanctions help to change this ?? I doubt it….

  81. Jean Corveleyn

    If those countries refuse to take refugees, they should at least show some solidarity by paying the other EU-countries where a larger number of refugees are taken than agreed.

  82. Antonio Massa

    They do not have to accept refugees. We have had enough of them. These States do not need to be sanctioned but they have to be an example to EU. The amount of refugees in EU is become the cause of splitting from EU (see Italy, Greece). Allowing millions of Syrians and others from the Muslim Middle East into Europe will end up as a catastrophe for Europe, and therefore for the West. Most European countries are bad at assimilating people from other cultures, especially from Muslim cultures. And large numbers of people from Muslim cultures are bad at assimilating into non-Muslim cultures.

    Read more at: http://www.nationalreview.com/article/424001/europe-making-fatal-mistake-dennis-prager

    Read more at: http://www.nationalreview.com/article/424001/europe-making-fatal-mistake-dennis-prager

    Read more at: http://www.nationalreview.com/article/424001/europe-making-fatal-mistake-dennis-pragerThe amount of refugees we have in Italy is high, there are no social structures and the refugees live in squalled situation and are engaged in criminal activities by the member of mafia. EU has not done anything to help the Countries above and Italy and Greece to help the

  83. Danny boy

    Has anyone actually asked any of these ‘refugees’ if they wont to be sent to these east european nations??.

  84. Teo Nagy

    No they shouldn’t , if yes than punish all countries which don’t keep the EU Stability&Growth Pact (public deficit under 60%, gov.deficit under 3%=nearly all west-EU)

  85. Milan

    I am from the Czech Republic and I agree with sanctions. We can’t use only what we want to, we have to respect rules if we want to be part of the EU.

  86. Petrxh

    I just cannot understand why did not EU put sanctions on Greece and Italy for non existant protection of Schengen borders.

  87. Adam Hladky

    Ja, diese Länder bekommen Geld von EU, aber sie möchten keine Solidarität mit Italien u. Griechenland.

  88. David Fernandes Coelho

    The EU should think first on the conditions each member has to offer it is not fair to offer the refugees housing and double of the countries minimum salary while the citizens of that state have to live with low income and get by Its not fair. So please lets not dirve our nations to war again.

  89. didier cosse

    The following structural funds to the new Member States in the period 2004-2006 are been allocated as follow: Czech Republic, 2,326 €billion; Poland, 11,369 €billion and Hungary, 2,847 €billion. This only concerns the period 2004-2006 and we are in 2017… I am not writing down the figures all billion € transferred to help the development of these 3 countries’ economies, not to be taken as insulting my Polish, Czchek or Hungarian friends; but when I read some comments like “we have never seen any EU money coming to our countries” I feel sad but also a bit angry.

    • Piotr Blaszyk

      Didier Cosse no one in the right mind and with access to data will say that we did not recieve a lot of help from the EU. It helped us develop in and in the years 2016-2020 out contribution to the eu finances will be about 44 bilion Euro ( tho we still technicly “recieve” more than we pay by a large margin, keep in mind that not all funds can, and will be used and go back to the eu). I personally see a problem, that we are not prepared to take in so many refugees. Let me explain:
      Currently there are about 17000 people waiting to be deported to poland from other EU countrys( the number is high because it is a problem that presisted for many years and just now is being taken care of). Since the begining of the year we recieved about 700 of them. These are people, mostly from Chechenia and Afganistan who asked for refugee status/asylum in Poland. However before the decision was made they fled to Germany, France of other where they can have much higher social benefits. But as we were the first country they arrived, acording to the Dublin accords(?) they will be directed to us again.
      Also on the topic of solidarity, its all nice and ok as long as it does not cost different states much. When particuler intrests of for example Germany (Nordstream and Nordstream 2, that will generally be a major danger for energetical stability and safety of my country) or France (for example the “loi Macron”) the solidarity is pushed to the back track.

  90. Maia Alexandrova

    Why sanctioning the only countries who are strictly following EU law about protecting EU borders from illegal entry? Germany, Greece and Italy should be sanctioned for failing to enforce the rule of law and creating security risks for European citizens! Innocent people have already died in numerous terrorist attacks because of those failures! Saudi Arabia is the glaring example of violation of international law regarding refugees and completely deserves sanctions by the EU!

  91. Karolina

    No, it shouldn’t. The “refugees” never wanted to go to any of those countries anyway. They have come over on the encouragement of Germany, which now wants to dump those it doesn’t need on poorer countries (some of them have already been returned to Greece and Bulgaria). If the EU penalises those countries , it will ultimately be colluding with the exploitation by Germany of its fellow EU members but also of the whole of the EU for Germany’s own benefit and individual advancement at the expense of others who are supposed to be equal partners.

  92. Philip Cole

    Sanctions are the appropriate response. And, while we’re on this subject, why not sanctions on the UK for its less than generous response to the refugee crisis? Every day I become more and more ashamed of being a British citizen.

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