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Most European countries have been reluctant to take refugees. Some, however, have been actively encouraging them to come. For example, unlike several EU members, the Portuguese government has actually offered to take many more refugees than it was asked to. Yet the refugees themselves seem unenthusiastic; Portugal has offered to host 10,000, but by May 2016 had only taken in a couple of hundred (though more have arrived since then).

In order to take a closer look at the local impact of the refugee crisis, we launched our ‘Cities & Refugees‘ project – aimed at fostering a Europe-wide dialogue between citizens, refugees and asylum seekers, NGOs, politicians, and European leaders. The emphasis will be on connecting local, everyday life at the city level to decisions made in Brussels and national capitals.

This week we’re looking at Lisbon, Portugal. Few refugees seem keen to settle in Portugal, and part of the reason might be that joblessness remains high: 12.3% in 2016. Compare that to 4.3% in Germany, and it’s clear that finding work will be easier in Deutschland. Is it wrong for refugees to prefer to go to countries which have stronger economies?

Curious to know more about refugee redistribution? We’ve put together some facts and figures in the infographic below (click for a bigger version).15-E4C-Refugee-redistribution

We had a comment from Hans, who says he’s seen lots of media reports that refugees don’t want to go to countries like Portugal. They want to go to countries with lots of jobs and with generous welfare systems, like Germany and Sweden. Is that true?

To get a reaction, we took Hans’ comment to Marina Watson Pelaez, a freelance journalist working in Lisbon and London. What would she say?

MarinaYes, that’s true, because most refugees have a set plan and that is to go to a rich country like Germany, where there are higher hopes of getting a job and perhaps more economic support. Many refugees have never heard of Portugal, and those who have know that the country is undergoing economic difficulties. They also understandably want to go to countries where they know people or have family members.

For another reaction, we also took Hans’ comment to Paul Ames, a freelance journalist who has written in Politico about the reluctance of refugees to come to Portugal. How would he respond?

pamesEstimates vary, but so far there are suspected to be around 1,100 refugees here, which is way below the 10,000 that the Portuguese government has offered to take in. Once again, the numbers are a little bit unsure, but there are reports saying that of those who have come in, around 200 have left because they don’t want to stay here.

There are a number of reasons for this. Obviously, Portugal doesn’t have the same kind of job market that Germany has, for example. A lot of refugees who come here don’t speak Portuguese. It’s not so easy for them to get jobs…

We also had a comment from Nelson, asking for more refugees to come to Portugal, because they still believe in solidarity and have hope. But is Portugal being so generous precisely because it knows that so few refugees will actually take it up on its offer? We put this (slightly cynical) question to Marina Watson Pelaez. What would she say?

MarinaI don’t think so. Portugal’s population and birthrate is declining, with thousands of people emigrating every year to find work abroad. So the government wants to attract refugees here to help solve that problem. Also, I think the new administration led by the Socialist party (and backed by the Left Bloc and Communist party in parliament) has a welcoming attitude towards refugees because it makes sense given the country’s pro-EU and solidarity stance . Portugal has also blamed the EU for a lack of coordination.

Finally, how would Paul Ames answer this question?

pamesIt’s a very interesting question, and one I’ve put myself to Portuguese government ministers. It is true that Portugal earned some political kudos in Brussels for being so generous on this at a time when many countries in Europe were closing the door, particularly back in 2015 and early 2016. Portugal made this very generous offer which went down very well, especially in Germany. So, yes, there is a political side to this.

Having said that, the support for the open door policy is pretty much across the board on the political spectrum here. It goes from the far-left parties to conservative parties, where the Catholic church is quite influential – and the church has also had a very open policy on bringing refugees in. So, it’s been quite widespread. To what extent the offer was made with the knowledge that not so many people would be coming here, it’s difficult to say. But the government is continuing to bring in refugees. More have been coming, as I’ve said, there’s about 1,100 here at the moment, and they have generally been making a strong effort – not just from the government, also I think from civil society, the media, and church organisations – to welcome and integrate the refugees…

Is it wrong for refugees to want to go where jobs are? Why have so few refugees gone to countries like Portugal? And can the Portuguese government afford to be very generous on refugees, knowing that few will accept its offer? Or is it a genuine, principled stance the country is taking? Let us know your thoughts and comments in the form below and we’ll take them to policymakers and experts for their reactions!
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  1. Wolfgang Mizelli

    how about spreading jobs all over europe. there is enough work to do. we just need to pay it. making europe accessible for all for example.

    • Bobi Dochev

      Work? Where? 8.5% unemployment rate average for EU… way over 15% for the youth, as in countries like Greece and Spain it is 50% for Croatia and Italy over 40% – right – there is work everywhere – especially for unskilled workers like most of the migrants…

    • Fernando Nabais

      And what will you do when thousands of million of people from the third world come to Europe? Thinking before writing would be a good idea.

  2. Uli Czeranka

    no one wants to stay in a country, where he wont get a job, has no cultural ties and has the population against them. Still many people assume that its ok for them to stay in other countries. In the same time however, they actively work against refugees coming to that country. That is called double standard.

    • Imanuel d'Anjou

      finally some common sense in these comment sections

    • Uli Czeranka

      this whole debate is full of these standards. When the people live in collective housing without right to work it is assumed they abuse the social system. If they move further to another country it is assumed they were never real refugees and want even more abuse.

    • Παυλος Χαραλαμπους

      It’s a really “blame game ” here in Greece statistics show that most refugees want to leave the country because of the high rate of unemployment that doesn’t allow them to” blend in ” on the same time politicians especially from the far right are using the refuge crisis to “polarize the political atmosphere ” and gain more support even with lies and propaganda slogans like ” it’s an invasion to convert as all to Islam ” or even more ridiculous staff like ” they going to chop heads in the middle of the street “..it’s sad but it seems that political parties all over the continent are using peoples fears to gain more and more power

    • Uli Czeranka

      Παυλος Χαραλαμπους on the other hand do we have germany showing the “humanitarian face” by not closing the borders. In reality it always followed the strategy that as far away the refugees are, the better. Did work during Cold War because the Iron Curtain let just few refugees through and also worked in the early years of the Dublin System. But when it doesnt work everyone is crying. Its like with the Euro. Europe is divided and everyone is happy to put that problem on the shoulders of refugees

    • Παυλος Χαραλαμπους

      The northern European politicians are a little bit hypocritical on the one hand they want to show a ” humanitarian face” but on the other hand they doesn’t want to share the” burden ” with the south and this is what allows to far right to get more support- something that will bring more trouble in the future

    • Uli Czeranka

      agreed. Germany just calls for burden sharing because their own situation. At least the ECJ ruled that no refugee can be sent back to Greece. But some time ago the German Minister of Interiour stated, that they want to start deporting again, because “Greece has to learn the lesson”

    • Uli Czeranka

      that you should make your shelters humane after the court ruled they were not in 2011. He basically said that Greece does it on purpose. Of course he didnt say it that drastically… But it shows that not the refugees well being is the main concern in Europe but blame games. I think he has somehow a point but as you already stated is greece already not able to deal with the situation now. A situation that was created not mainly by Greece.

    • Παυλος Χαραλαμπους

      The shelters around Athens are ok but those on the islands. ..are overcrowded. .but what i don’t understand is how it helps the refugees being sent back to those camps..it’s more like an excuse to send the away. .

    • Uli Czeranka

      Παυλος Χαραλαμπους of course it doesnt help them. they are just intruments in political games

  3. Dragoş Voicu

    but why cross thousands of miles when there are stable countries nearby? (and also muslim countries so they’ll adapt faster)

    • Bobi Dochev

      Most of this “stable countries” rely on oil incomes and they pay their citizens to do nothing. They might be stable bit they don’t have well developed economies which need a lot of work forces.

    • Uli Czeranka

      do you actually think the refugees coming to Europe are the majority? maybe watch little bit further and you will find the missing millions staying in muslim countries. Examples are Libanon, Jordan, Turkey…

    • Maia Alexandrova

      Saudi Arabia is the biggest one at fault here. The richest, but most selfish and inhumane country in the region. EU should impose sanctions on Saudi Arabia for closing its borders to refugees, rather than trying to force the Czech Republic or Slovenia to take illegal Muslim migrants. Saudi Arabia has a lot of responsibility for the mess in the Middle East because it is the main sponsor of terrorism there and a perpetrator of crimes against humanity in Yemen. That butcher, the Saudi king, has been let loose for too long! USA and UK are happily taking billions of dollars from him in exchange for weapons that are then used for genocide in Yemen. A sickening trade of human lives and EU supports it! Shameful and disgusting!

  4. Giulia Noia Dipresa

    Problem is we don’t really have jobs for ourselves… so how can we possibly give a chance for a better life to others?

  5. José Bessa da Silva

    Of couse not! But then they are no longer refugees. Greece has no jobs for instance, refugees did everything to get there safe. They were refugees up to that point. In there some were deported, others helped. Those helped want to go to Germany. They became immigrantes. Their main goal is no longer safety but money. This is why I think the refugee status should be “temporary”. Once the treat in your country is gone, they are gone as well. Of couse there would have to be exceptions, like life long threats, elderly people, etc. PS: Unlike what the woman said, Portugal does not have a very pro-EU attitude. It is one of the countries with highest eurocepticism rate in the EU and it’s current government is supported by not 1 but 3 anti-euro and anti-eu parties. One of them is right now doing a campaign to leave the EU. Let’s cut the propaganda crap shall we?

    • Ricardo Pinhal

      Can u provide evidence of this supposed higher proportion of Portuguese euroceptics?

    • Παυλος Χαραλαμπους

      I don’t think it can work just imagine a refuge child growing up like an European and when is a teenager or adult been deported to a country that doesn’t know or even worse doesn’t see as his own country!! Just imagine all the Europeans how left their countries during WWII being deported from united states or Australia back to post WWII Europe. . does it makes you any sense? ?

    • José Bessa da Silva

      Yes, it does make sense. Obviouly not 3 generations after. I’m talking about first generations and their dependents.

    • Charles Buhagiar

      Why does it have to be the EU which has to take the burden of refugees and that of forced economic migration? There are far more richer countries which can provide shelter and assistance to refugees and jobs to migrants. Some of these countries share similar language, culture, religion and way of life so it would be easier for them to integrate without disstabilizing the host country’s society.

    • Ricardo Pinhal

      Come on, be serious! An article of opinion of 4 years ago, right in the beginning of the austerity measures! Even I was an euroceptic back then!

    • José Bessa da Silva

      That is not an opinion article, that is actual data and us eurocepticis only increased. Finally, being that the EU has changed nothing in it’s ways, if then you were euroceptic andnow you are not, im sorry to tell you but you’re what is called an “useful fool”. Now, the EC is paying for a campaign against eurocepticism in Portugal. You do no pay for a campaign to be made in a place that is already in favour of what you’re capaigning for. The EC is paying for that because the portuguese have had enough with the EU as the stats clearly show. https://www.publico.pt/2017/03/29/politica/noticia/contra-o-eurocepticismo-marchar-marchar-1766831

    • Ricardo Pinhal

      Yeah, I see, so u say must believe, because u say so… Very worthy info based on bs newspapers of 4 years ago! And that eurocepticism is increasing, got that from where? The cereal box? Keep this bullshit to yourself, and if wanting to spread the “word” do us all a favor and get yourself better informed!

    • Ricardo Pinhal

      Do u even read what u post? What I get from your enlightened article is that the EU is campaigning for the available programs this year! Regarding the eurocepticism issue, what I only see is that Portugal is among the countries in the EU with ambivalent opinionated citizens regarding the European project! Even in this group, Portugal is the one with less ambivalent views regarding the EU! Get ur facts straight and do your homework!

    • José Bessa da Silva

      Do you read them or you just don’t understand portuguese? Do you even saw this is about only 14 countries? The 14 with the highest numbers? You really need to step up lad. Read!

  6. Bobi Dochev

    Ahahahah you really rock! So much stupidity can survive only in EU :)
    It is supposed that the refugees are been forced by war or persecution to leave their countries… the one who go where the job is are “Economical migrants” as Vytautas Vėžys said.
    And no it is not wrong, but there should be strict rules who and how to do it! It is really a time to understand that simple difference and then probably take some actions to put everything in order!

  7. Andrea Scacchi

    One question is economic migration another one is supposed or real refugees.
    Both by the way MUST respect the people and the culture of the country they are in.
    So… no burqa, no inslavement of women, no islamic laws, no rape gangs. If you want those thing you can go back to the fucking place you came from.
    We live in a great civilization, you don’t. Respect it or get the hell out.

    • Andrea Scacchi

      If I decide to move to a country with a culture different from mine i respect and try to adopt those values maintaing mine when possible.
      If i don’t like those value i can always change country you know?

  8. Hector Niehues-Jeuffroy

    No, it is not wrong for refugees to want to go where jobs are, but neither is it wrong for countries to restrict access to their labour markets and territories to their citizens. Personally, I want a great many things with very good reasons, but that doesn’t imply that I can have them.

  9. Andrew Potts

    Considering the unemployment stats among young people in Spain and other spots it is disgraceful that the EU wilfully imports more and cheap labour. The German government would have a much better educated workforce and zero assimilation issues if they actively recruited in European unemployment hotspots. The EU parliament should force the German government to address this importation of labour while not sticking to the Dublin protocols which is supposed to regulate this issue.

  10. Giorgos Tsolakis

    I think this is correct and this is how refugees they should allocating across Europe based on each country’s unemployment rates

    • Ivan Burrows

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      What of the people of those countries do not want the migrants, would you force them to take them ?

    • Giorgos Tsolakis

      if they join the EU they should comply according to their EU membership obligations since EU made special arangements within non EU countries they accepting refugees

    • Maia Alexandrova

      EU and Greece should make an arrangement with Saudi Arabia and send the migrants there, not force smaller EU countries to take them. They are only refugees in the countries bordering the conflict. Being a refugee doesn’t mean free and unrestricted travel to any country in the world. EU treaties did not include taking in illegal migrants, so it is not an EU membership obligation. Greece and Germany have voluntarily decided to accept them, rather than returning them, so they cannot exploit EU institutions just to force their own decision on the other members.

    • Paul X

      On unemployment rate?…..I take it you are joking.. so you think all these “refugees” are going to be employable?…and don’t you think a countries population density and infrastructure have anything to do with the amount of additional people it can handle?

      ……. good luck Malta….I think you are about to sink..

  11. Stefania Portici

    piena occupazione che assicuri la dignità e la libertà degli esseri umani .. La UE sta facendo questo ? Se non lo fa non ha senso che continui ad esistere , la disocupazione è ritenuta un crimine verso l’umanità . Full employment to ensure the dignity and freedom of human beings. Is the EU doing this? If it does not make sense that it continues to exist, disocupation is considered to be a crime against humanity

  12. Luís Berenguer Todo-Bom

    As a portuguese citizen it feels like saving a drowning person from a river only to be told mid-rescue that we’re rescuing them to the “wrong margin”…

  13. Alex Tselentis

    Who is checking who amongst these mostly young unknowwn males may be a jihadist with blood on their hands? It’s claimed thousands of hen have fled Syria and entered … Europe under the refugee status, end the war in Syria and stop his Trojan horse being being used to enter Europe.

    • Cliff Wilson

      Which is why the UK has had to shut the door to high numbers of refugees and immigrants. (Note they spend more on helping refugees in their home countries than any other EU Country.)

  14. Μίνωας Ράπτης

    No it’s not wrong. That just means they are not refugees but economic migrants. Because the definition of a refugee is someone who flees their country because of war not because of unemployment.

  15. Ivica Tkalcec

    Running from war * ..Running to where jobs are * .. Running to social , welfare benefits etc .. This all is not so simple , mostly cuz a big pat of migrants , imigrants simply use refugee crisis to ilegaly come to EU . There is no control for this sort of thing and I think .. somone who runs from war is not same from someone who illegal use crisis fr no work * benefits. And on end.. cuz there are no controls who suffers at most ? .. Ofc rel refugees .. end .

  16. Dimitar Peev

    It’s rather stupid to overlook cultural aspect of the problem. And soon many jobs will be taken anyway by technological progress, so where is the problem?

  17. Alexander GR

    How about job sharing all over Europe for the unemployed citizens first? Then assisting refugees as refugees.

  18. Julia Hadjikyriacou

    That is why a GMI would appease everyone. The homeless, the unemployed, the refugees, the flocking to rich countries. A more social EU with an equal GMI, equal benefits and equal minimum wage is required. The rich countries can simply offer higher wages to attract more employees. I know Germany does as people have told me a cleaner gets €2,000 a month and that is what I earned at my first job as a web designer in central London by a big company. Then Germany fleeces that money back in high rents but we can’t fix everything :)

    • Cliff Wilson

      To do this the wealthier countries would have to cut benefits. Their Govts would never get elected on that. To even it out at the level of higher paying countries would bankrupt the EU. The EU is a dream unlikely to come true.

  19. Fernando Nabais

    Refugees seek refuge. Those who want to go where jobs are, are economic migrants. However, there are not enough jobs for people already living “where jobs are”, so, the migrants are coming to live on benefits. It is not wrong that they want to live on benefits, but it is also not wrong that people living “where jobs are” do not accept them.

  20. Matej Mlinarič

    You are destroying your security and protection of your own people cause you just don’t want to admit that all cultures and ideologies are not same…. Just here is a thing why do you import islamic masses to potentially find some jobs. Anybody else would be better and more compatible then this just not on massive scale but actually just to fill needs for jobs within specific regions. Just that must not come at expense of native populations. Just before any of those could find a job they need to have sufficient understanding of a language that is used by native population. So those that refuse to learn our languages based on where they are will never be productive members of society. That makes them unwanted and only reason that anybody wants to keep those is to keep wasting money from tax payers.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j9e_vcSut0A

    Beside those are not rushing into welfare states cause wast majority of them have absolutely nothing to do with that war. This is what you should do with islamic immigration without compromising stability of whole continent. Also if your goal would be really to help masses then it would cost 12 times less to send supplies there then it is to keep one of them in western world. So this is absolutely massive waste of our resources and it is being done against will of the majority.

    https://counterjihadreport.com/2015/09/17/muslim-immigration-and-how-to-handle-it/

    http://gatesofvienna.net/2015/09/refugee-crisis-facts-and-myths/

    https://www.gatestoneinstitute.org/6489/muslim-immigration

  21. Pierre De Bozzi

    Major firms are bribing like hell EU Politicians in Bruxelles to get cheap workers for the industrial lobby which wants to maintain a big pressure on wages.

  22. Christina Kler

    So many European tax paying jobless , Homeless refugees would like to work as well !!! Let’s put thing in the right order first then we shall see ….

  23. Gatis Gailitis

    As long as you are ready to assimilate and respect the country you live in and not be an idiot sexually harassing women and thieving or living on benefits, then I think k a human being is entitled to live anywhere In the world.

  24. Paul X

    I would suggest if someone has time to sit and analyse statistics such as 12.3% unemployment in Portugal versus 4.3% in Germany then clearly they are not “fleeing” from anything in much of a hurry

  25. Dagmar Ueberfeld-Lang

    Who could blame anyway for leaving their home country if there is nothing left there, no work, no education, no prospect, no future. Be this because the country has been torn to pieces by war and terror, or by severe economic crisis. People have left their homes for a better live for centuries. This is not a new phenomenon. The first world still chooses to ignore its own contribution to the dire plight in which so many countries find themselves. Be this on the African continent, be this in the Middle East. The first world created this problem and now chooses to shut the door on it.

    • Cliff Wilson

      Who can blame those who sympathise but do not have the means of helping them?

  26. Maia Alexandrova

    It is wrong to give them a choice for free travel to any EU country they wish to go, let alone for jobs. This is not what the Refugee Convention provides for. It is how illegal migrants abuse the system and the rights of all European citizens.

  27. Dimitris Orfanoudis

    Υou are probably living in a dreaming world the migrants they dont realy want to go in the countries to find a job but in the countries whιch give the higher bonusses so is not necessary to work…

  28. Любомир Иванчев

    It doesn’t matter what someone wants, there are laws and people need to obey them. If it’s OK to break international and national laws and enter a country illegally, then by the same logic it should be OK to burglarize houses and mug people on the streets. Oh, wait, that’s what a lot of immigrants are already doing…

  29. Chris Pavlides

    Europe do not needs non skilled non compatible culturally people. Help them build their own future at their homelands & focus on our continent unemployment and prospects with out follow others.

  30. Rick Shay

    To ‘want’ to go where jobs are? Want? Heck, there’s a long list of places where I want to go to where jobs are. But, should I just declare (or make) myself a refugee and go there by any means available? Well it quite simple: Go lawfully. Don’t go unlawfully. ‘nuf said.

  31. Ivo Nobre

    In honest English: refugees are migrants and their search for jobs is a search for subsidies. Ok, now is correct ! That image of Lisbon scares me a little, can give them ideas of seeking subsidies here and we are already paying Jewish interest to the Germans …

  32. Stephen J Gorog

    The question is wrong, it should be: Is it wrong to let refugees, immigrants crush European culture and terrorize the people living here????

  33. Ioanna Geor

    are you kidding em? it’s like asking if Earth is round! Of course, they would want that! I would want that too for myself and I am not a refugee, of course someone who survived hell on earth would want that too

  34. Hank Chlebowski

    The bigger question is not as much monetary as it is a civil matter .Will the refugees assimilate into our societies or will they bring their own form of law

  35. Carolina Muro Rosa

    No, it’s a matter of survival. In a globalised world where only a few countries hold the production of goods they sell to other countries, it is only fare the people of countries who only buy and have no production, to want to take parte in the production and be able to make a living. No immigration, no trade.

  36. Roberto Torelli

    un problema che nessuno ha analizzato non è tanto il lavoro per i rifugiati ma la disoccupazione alta dei cittadini europei , EUROPEI ( non estranei ) .. Perchè si tiene la disoccupazione alta nella UE? Non è solo un aggiustamento della moneta unica ma è anche austerità voluta di proposito. Perchè ? In Europa abbiamo tutti tutele dei lavoratori. Una politica basata sul mercato ,quello che vuole è abbattere i costi del lavoro per avere un prodotto a basso prezzo e per farlo ha bisogno di manodopera ulteriore, a basso costo , che costringe i lavoratori TUTTI ad accettare le regole dettate dal mercato per togliere i diritti sociali dei lavoratori . Infatti nella UE non si parla mai di diritti sociali ei lavoratori , si parla di diritti umani e civili.. L’immigrazione sembra creata apposta per arrivare a questo scòpo altrimenti non si spiega il perchè di tanta austerità e disoccupazione . .

  37. Roberto Torelli

    un problema che nessuno ha analizzato non è tanto il lavoro per i rifugiati ma la disoccupazione alta dei cittadini europei ( EUROPEI non estranei ) . Perchè si tiene la disoccupazione alta nella UE? Non è solo un aggiustamento della moneta unica ma è anche austerità voluta di proposito. Perchè ? In Europa abbiamo tutti tutele dei lavoratori. Una politica basata sul mercato ,quello che vuole è vendere un prodotto , abbatte i costi del lavoro per avere un prodotto competitivo e per farlo ha bisogno di manodopera ulteriore, a basso costo , che costringe i lavoratori TUTTI ad accettare le regole dettate dal mercato per togliere i diritti sociali dei lavoratori . Infatti nella UE non si parla mai di diritti sociali dei lavoratori , si parla di diritti umani e civili.Per far ripartire l’economia c’è bisogno di investimenti e non può essere lasciato in mano alle banche perchè è vero che creano lavoro ma creano anche debiti, noi abbiamo bisogno di investimenti al netto , siamo in recessione. L’immigrazione sembra creata apposta per arrivare a questo scòpo altrimenti non si spiega il perchè di tanta austerità e disoccupazione . .

  38. Sérgio Paiva

    Nothing wrong folks, but for the sake of coherent speech, please explain people that a migrant is not a refugee, or vice versa. Good luck to all of those who come in peace.

  39. Cliff Wilson

    The point is that the welcome is affected by the needs of the Country. If they need new young blood then they have a way of recruiting it through refugees. The problem is that EU rules do not allow different countries to tailor their policies to fit. With the UK, young people from all over Europe have moved there because of jobs and good welfare benefits. Now the Schools and hospitals are full and there are not enough homes. The UK cannot keep up with the influx. It is the ‘one size fits all’ policy of the EU which has led the UK to the Exit door. Not because of a dislike of Immigrants or refugees but because they cannot cope with the numbers. I question whether the Population of Portugal wanted an open door to refugees. I doubt the Govt ever gave them the chance to vote on it.

  40. ironworker

    Of course is wrong. What is a refugee (definition) anyway? I suspect individuals (with dubious past) without any skills, striking different from locals from any perspective (think Martians), coming over and asking for limitless tuitions fees, welfare, free medical insurance for them, their spouses, their 11 children (eventually for their old parents and relatives), and free housing. If you ask them, they all want to be doctors, lawyers, and engineers, nothing less… There are no more good jobs for locals in a first place.

  41. Philip Spentzuris

    If we’re going to accept refugees, it should only be a temporary solution! They have to be repatriated to their country of origin!! Any permanent placement of any /all refugees should be based on their ability, qualification, skills base and how they will contribute to the country!! Anything else and anyone who drains the country of much needed funding should not be tolerated!!!

  42. Satsuma Angel

    Countries that accept refugees will be successful, countries that do not accept refugees will eventually fall into oblivion. Because always some of the brightest and most innovative people become refugees and they benefit their host countries enormously.

    • ironworker

      From what perspective “innovative”? Avoiding taxes, “create” under the table jobs, selling “halal” stuff where nobody asks for it and the most striking thing of all, “sticking together” in the neighborhood? No, thank you.

  43. Bert van Santen

    Stop spreading the standard pro -EU propaganda that for every economic migrant, a house, car, free money and a job is waiting. It is fake news!!!
    The Netherlands has 500.000 unemployed!

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