ME&EU_featured_5_samesexmarriageSame-sex marriage will finally be legal in Finland on 1 March 2017. That will bring the total number of EU Member-States that recognise same-sex marriage up to eleven. However, that will still leave 17 European countries where same-sex marriage is not legal. In many Eastern European countries, the definition of marriage as a union between a man and a woman is enshrined in the constitution.

For same-sex couples, this confusing legal landscape throws up several issues. If they move from one European country to another, will they have the same rights as straight couples in terms of things like pensions, guardianship of children, legal wills, and so on? Should their marriage be recognised across the entire European Union?

What do our readers think? We had a comment sent in from Luca on our ‘Suggest a Debate’ page, asking how LGBT rights (including on issues such as same-sex marriage and adoption) can be improved across the continent. Would recognising same-sex marriage not be a good first step?

Should same-sex marriage be legalised across Europe? We asked Members of the European Parliament (MEPs) from all sides of the political spectrum to stake out their positions on this question, and it’s up to YOU to vote for the policies you favour. See what the different MEPs have to say, then vote at the bottom of this debate for the one you most agree with! Take part in the vote below and tell us who you support in the European Parliament!

Radical Left
Malin Björk (GUE/NGL), Member of the Committee on Civil Liberties, Justice and Home Affairs:

Greens
Bodil Valero (Group of the Greens), Member of the Committee on Civil Liberties, Justice and Home Affairs:

valeroYes, of course. I think that’s important. Human rights are for all.

Liberal Democrats
Sophia in ‘t Veld (ALDE), Member of the Committee on Civil Liberties, Justice and Home Affairs:

sophie-in-t-veld-mepYes. When it comes to gay marriage, there is a clear contradiction in Europe. On the one hand, we do not define marriage at the European level. Family law is a national competence. Yet, on the other hand, we have decided at the European level (because it’s in the treaties) that we’re not allowed to discriminate against people. So, if you apply that principle logically, somebody should be able to go to court and ask: ‘Why am I not allowed to marry as a homosexual?’

We also have freedom of movement in Europe, and if you are a heterosexual married couple and you move to another country, you have no problem. But if you are a same-sex couple and you move to another country, you lose your rights: Social security, child benefits, and so on. That is discrimination on the basis of sexuality…

 

Centre Right
Alojz Peterle (EPP), Member of the European Parliament:

peterleI would say that, for me, the most important element for this issue is the first article of the Charter of Fundamental Rights of the European Union, which speaks about respect for human dignity… On the other hand, I believe we should approach this issue in dialogue and in full sensitivity for the diversity of views.

There is also another aspect, which we speak about frequently in the European Parliament. I belong to those who think that this issue it is not a European competence to decide, but rather it should be left to Member States. So, we do need to respect the principle of subsidiarity, which is very important within the legal structure of the European Union,.

Conservatives
Sander Loones (ECR), Member of the European Parliament:

Eurosceptics

Beatrix von Storch (EFDD), Member of the Committee on Civil Liberties, Justice and Home Affairs:

Curious to know more about same-sex marriage across Europe? We’ve put together some facts and figures in the infographic below (click for a bigger version). 
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    • Pierantonio Rizzo

      Andrius Adomaitis and no right to be happy. Equal marriage yes but less equal than the other. 😒

    • Duncan

      Agree with Vladislav 100% on this. State ceremonies and equal rights in status. But forcing churches to change their view on this is just as oppressive to the religious groups as not permitting same sex marriage is to homosexually orientated people. While we’re at it, what about state recognised polygamy? Many people the world over practice this, yet it is considered immoral in many states. . . . .

  1. Bobi Dochev

    NO! NO! NO! and again NO!!!
    Next step after the marriage is to allow adoption of child and what example they would give to the child? “Be like daddy marry uncle John”… that sucks! In your bedroom you can be anything you want but you shouldn’t be allowed to give bad examples in public!

    • Jakub Rozdżestwieński

      Yes, cause being in orphanage is better than being adopted by same-sex family.

      Sure

    • Pedro Castro

      Bad examples like prejudice?

    • Paule Egé

      bad examples? have you ever been with a gay/lesbian couple? would you like to be judged? So sad

    • Uli Czeranka

      so basically you are saying that people marry the opposite sex because they learn it from their parents? thats not how this works. thats not how it works at all…

    • Ellul Eman

      If you ask me, you’re what’s wrong with this world. Not gay marriage!

    • Malik Benbrahim

      The only bad example I see here is you.

    • Diego José Costa Pérez

      Same sex marriage and adoption have proved to work perfectly well in all the countries that have legalized it!

    • Glyn Welden Banks

      Elton John has adopted children – what’s the problem?

    • Nerx Whtvr

      No bad examples in public, for the kids. Of course. Right so not drinking, not swearing, not yelling, not fighting. And what about writing homophobic comments?

    • Philip Spentzuris

      Do you know how stupid and ignorant you sound!!! What bad examples in public are you talking about!!! Isn’t it possible for heterosexual couples to give bad examples in public???? As they say you can’t fix stupid@@

    • Ferdy Araujo

      Bad examples to children like smoking, drinking, swearing? Why not forbid everything btw? Grow up, soviets. You are not in 1945 anymore.

  2. Stef Kostov

    The center right guy put it right: ” It should be left to member states to decide. “

    • Ferdy Araujo

      Then they should decide on other basic principles too but would have to leave the EU after of course. No à la carte europe.

  3. Любомир Иванчев

    Civil gay marriage should be legal, but gay marriage as a religious ritual should be decided by the different religious churches and organizations. It is their right to decide for themselves if they allow it. The two types of marriage are a different thing and should be viewed as different matters because of secularism. There is separation between state and church and this is how it should be.

    • Artur Silva

      For your information, matrimony is always done in church and has no legal value on its own. Marriage is a legal, non religious ceremony. So yes marriage should be legal for everyone.
      Matrimony in church, marriage outside the church, people mistake this often.

    • O Bigode e o Chapéu.

      The only thing that matters is the civil law of each country, therefore, what is important is civil marriage because it gives important rights to couples. Religious marriages is out of the debate. It’s up to each religion what they want to do and how idiots and bigoted they want to be. But the state shouldn’t have his laws based on religions issues, so civil marriage should be open to all couples.

    • Любомир Иванчев

      Regulating the activity of religious organizations is also a matter of civil law. That’s why the issue is two-sided.

    • Andrei Daniel

      Любомир Иванчев The only country that forces the church to perform same-sex religious marriage is, if I am not mistaken, Denmark, because of them being a religious state, there is an oficial state religion and is regulated. It’s just how their constitutionalism works. :)

  4. Paule Egé

    WHY should be my rights on a debate? It feels horrific. I am so happy to be Spanish, been legal since 2005 and no problem. Eastern Europeans and the Italian Government will not accept we are all equal

    • Ivan Burrows

      .

      Until you can give birth to new life you are not equal, the Italian government do not say so, nature does.

    • Paule Egé

      then I guess you are not equal too, nature does not give you a vagina mr burrows

    • Emanuele Monaco

      we are asking for the right to get married, not to give birth…maybe you’re a bit confused

    • O Bigode e o Chapéu.

      Ivan Burrows, so you are against old couples to marry? Or couples who don’t want child? Or couple who can’t have children?

    • Victor Popovici

      Oh, come on, we are all equal. It’s just that some of us are more equal than the others.

    • Andrea Morrone

      Actually guys… In italy it’s been a while already since the civil union law passed, and it differs from a marriage only for the adoption policy, which is now being worked on separately by the government, to reform the whole adoption system, so that then the same right will be granted to homosexual couples too.

      I agree with Paule, how on earth someone can think they’re superior enough to debate on someone else’s rights?

      How can anyone say “No you cannot do that! but YOU can!” and then think they support equality for all human beings, as our Human Rights Declaration, heart of EU, states?

    • Janoš Horvat

      Disregard Burrows, he’s a nationalistic backwards shithead.
      Just look at his comments elsewhere.

    • Teo Nagy

      Legalise also drugs and pedophily and tell the nation it’s great to do, cause we’re all different.🙄 Slovakia has 20 times lower AIDS % than UK, Spain for example. In last years AIDS started spreading in EU again . Guess why? I am proud of Slovakia , that they didn’t let this happen and even strictened the laws on it here.

    • Duncan

      Two, so you think the way to stop the spread of sexually transmitted diseases is to outlaw people pairing off into monogamous relationships for life, effectively increasing the number of possible transfers of the disease from 1 person, to however many people that legally mandated carrier can have sex with? What have I missed, because by my calculations this cannot be right. Are you certain people in Slovakia aren’t just “not getting any”?

    • PV Pedrocas

      Paule Egé, we are lucky iberians.

  5. Vassiliki Xifteri

    According to my beliefs there can be no same sex marriage, there can be no civil marriage as well. But, because not all people have my faith and my beliefs, and people are people, we need to see it as it is. Two people want to bond legally so as to be able to share assets and act as legal partners for one another. If the case did not involve any sexual connotation why two people who want to live together and share legal burdens should not? There are also many loners who are simply friends into this world who would benefit from such a law.

  6. Arkadiusz Kowalik

    Definitely, but right wing blockheads would use that for their xenophobic propaganda in countries like Poland, Hungary and the rest of Eastern Europe :(

    • Dirk Schönhoff

      Arkadiusz, Orban and Kaczyński won’t last for ever. We are going through a period of nationalism. In the long run there has always been a steady developpment towards more enlightenment. We need to fight but also have faith to tackle this absurd situation. The brave polish people already show how strong they are opposing this Kaczyński period.

    • Teo Nagy

      I am proud of Slovakia and Hungary that they didn’t allow this and 64 more genders.

    • Dirk Schönhoff

      Teo Nagy, what a pitty a guy with your chances and talents does not make use of what was given to you. It’s not Putin or Orban giving you the freedom to live and travel where ever you want. It is the idea of equal chances and freedom besides national boarders to developp your own ideas . Be fair and allow just the same to other people. Think about it and I am counting on your support!

  7. Acsai György

    Why limit the number of people involved? If you want to get rid of one criterion (opposite sex) “just because”, why would you stop here? Alternative lifestyles are limitless.

  8. Seif Kab

    At the very least there needs to be equivalence. Civil partnerships have to provide ALL the same tax, legal and cvil benefits as marriage.

    • Wim Jansens

      So they can have all the same rights and obligations but not the same name? It is a semantics problem for you?

  9. Любомир Иванчев

    Yes, I know. How is that in any conflict with what I said? I am just saying gay marriage should be legal, but religious organizations should have the right to refuse performing gay weddings.

    • João Machado

      It’s called predictive programming.

    • Ivan Burrows

      Tiago Pereira

      Only in the minds of fanatics comrade.

    • Janoš Horvat

      No, in the minds of people who want unity and peace.
      If you want to get out, there is the UK. Hop to it

    • José Bessa da Silva

      My nation has no war in it’s land since the first half of the 1800’s. Finally, as a croatian you are quite hypocrite with that argument. Why haven’t you stayed within Yugoslavia? O right. Go preech in the Balkans.

  10. William Healey

    Why is this even up for discussion? Of course it should be. We are a modern, tolerant continent, it doesn’t hurt anyone and it would make many people very happy.

    • Uli Czeranka

      very rational arguments i must say

    • Ivan Burrows

      Uli Czeranka .

      Rationally speaking nature says male+female = new life, not male+male.

      It is you that is being irrational by putting personal sexual preference above the natural order.

    • Evans Fu

      Homosexual marriage involves 2 consenting adults with no family ties, what gives you the right to decide someones else’s rights when it doesn’t infringe on yours?

    • Javier Mnts

      Cooking food also goes against nature.

    • Cormac Begley

      The page is called ‘Rational Ethno-Nationalism’, don’t expect any valid arguments from them lol

    • João Machado

      The nature argument is as old and stupid as it can be… Religious based nonsense..

  11. José Bessa da Silva

    The is nothing “across Europe”. Europeis not a state and it will never be and the EU is a useless, incompetent and corrupt institution that shall be dissolver sooner rather then latet.

    • Evans Fu

      So why are you here?

      Without the EU there’s no buffer, there’s nothing to prop up the smaller countries, Portugal would be one of the countries that would crash and burn because we simply don’t have economic nor diplomatic strenght to holds us up.

    • José Bessa da Silva

      Lol…Portugal is one of the oldest countries in the world. We don’t need the EU to have a diplomacy that suits our needs, in fact we always pushed above our weight. I guess you never saw an history book And certaonly never read a newspapet. Also, economically, Portugal already “crashed and burned” and that is EU’s fault. Our purchasing power was bigger in 1974 after the Colonial War, than today. Our debt, made rescuing banks that the ECB was charged to control, was never as high, not even in 1891 when we last bankrupt. That is enough to “crash and burn” your theory. The EU brought us nothing but poverty and subjugation.

    • Janoš Horvat

      Portugal seems ok to me. You just act like a salty little nationalistic cunt who thinks his cointry can actually contend on the international stage.
      Hint: you can’t. If the EU falls, so does eceryone else.

    • José Bessa da Silva

      I wonder were all of you lesser educated and certainly less polite “we know better and facts don’t count” were living when there was no EU and countries like Portugal had strength to do what they wanted. In fact I would like to know where do you live this days because foreign policy is still in part a national matter. I wonder what you would say to tiny Switzerland or the unpopulated Iceland. Better! What would you say to the absurdly rich Singapure. Please tell them they have no strength in the international stage a then explain them how wonderful it is to be a broken country within thr “powerful” and “transparent” EU. What a bloody joke. The mathmatic is simple. The portuguese are poorer now than before the EU logic shows the EU was a disgusting deal. Now, call me a “nationalistic cunt” because I desagree with you foolishness, but stats will not change and history is there to be seen.

    • Philip Spentzuris

      I agree with you Jose,, Greece is sitting in the same situation and believe me we don’t belong in the EUROZONE!!! I’m all for Grexit!! This debt was never Greece’s debt!!!

  12. Anatilde Alves

    It’s ridiculous it’s a discussion still. The EU should definitely pressure these eastern countries on human rights issues. This is not a religious thing it’s a human rights thing. Religion has no place in politics or law because it’s nonsense.

    • Ivan Burrows

      .

      Can you make nature bend to the will of political correct ‘human rights’ law ?

    • Anatilde Alves

      If you want to be a naturalist, go into the jungle and hang out with irrational animals, don’t come here to the human rational world making statements 😏

    • Evans Fu

      Ivan Burrows No one is talking about nature, we’re talking about human rights.

      Furthermore, it doesn’t even matter because homosexualism is natural since it naturally occurs in nature between animals.

    • Anatilde Alves

      Btw marriage in general is not a natural thing. It’s a made by man thing. 😏 don’t see animals getting married.

  13. Dirk Schönhoff

    Arkadiusz, Orban and Kaczyński won’t last for ever. We are going through a period of nationalism. In the long run there has always been a steady developpment towards more enlightenment. We need to fight but also have faith to tackle this absurd situation. The brave polish people already show how strong they are opposing this Kaczyński period.

  14. Anatilde Alves

    What about society is natural? Is using the social media to be an ignorant naturalist wannabe nature? 😂 shove that bullshit elsewhere.

  15. Anatilde Alves

    If you want to be a naturalist, go into the jungle and hang out with irrational animals, don’t come here to the human rational world making statements 😏

  16. Kirstie Mamoyo Rogers

    I’d rather have the discussion about why people still think marriage is a good idea. I personally don’t see the need for marriage to be a ‘thing’ and why as a single person I cannot have the same tax breaks as a married couple whatever their sex.

  17. Darrell Mennie

    Gay marrages are more stable and lasting than same sex. Children growing up in this have the foundation of a stable family. Oh the horror……

  18. Laima Vaigė

    It would be wonderful, but the EU hardly has the competence to introduce such a unified solution. However, legally contracted marriages should not lose their status, when they move across the borders. That is a real obstacle to free movement.

  19. Evans Fu

    And what exactly gives you the right to take people’s rights away?

    Don’t like gay marriage, don’t marry a gay person.

  20. Paul X

    Why stop there, why not polygamy as well? …At the end of the day people should be free to have relationships with whoever they choose, the issue comes when you use the word “legalise”….once this happens the law becomes the stick for the PC liberal left to beat into submission those who’s beliefs are being fundamentally challenged

  21. Robert Santa

    Well, that is somewhat unrealistic in the next few years, but it is important to ensure that marriages conducted by any given EU member are recognized across the continent, as are adoptions. Without that freedom of movement is not properly working. This needs to fully extend to SSM.

  22. Arkadiusz Kowalik

    Dirk Schönhoff I agree, but these kind of policies, like forced migration quotas, or forced gay marriage legislation are fueling right wing populism and increase their chances to re-election. Kaczynski and his party were opposing the EU law about domestic violence. I see that you have some knowledge about Polish politics, but to give you some perspective, CDU would be called in Poland leftist. That’s how right-wing our current parliament is.

  23. Evans Fu

    That is for the churches to decide, and not you.

    It’s illegal to force a priest/church to marry someone they don’t want to so all the gay people that do get married there, it’s because the priest wanted to.

    • Tony Petersen

      Scared? Don’t be: nobody will force you to marry a man.

    • George Agavriloaiei

      I know i will not be forced, but i will see that, i will live with that in my comunity, it s hard to see that, is hard to see two people that do things against nature.

    • Antonia Tilda Nilsson

      Then look away.

      There are 168 species that exhibit homosexual relationships, and only one species that exhibit homophobia. Grow up and stop using “nature” as an excuse for your bigotry

    • George Agavriloaiei

      Creation is the ultimate target. If is not is wrong, ok? I try to be not just a simple animal.

    • Janoš Horvat

      You try to not be a somple animal, yet you claim it has to be for creation in order to be ok.
      Contradictory, much?

    • Ferdy Araujo

      Then those not willing to breed, the old and/or infertile should be forbidden too by your “logic”.

  24. Uli Czeranka

    Ivan Burrows marriage is a construct of culture and society. What exactly the relation to making babies (in a natural sense) is, you need to show me. Anyway my remark was against the equation gay marriage, pedophilia and incest.

  25. Francisco Guerreiro

    This has nothing to do with liberals or conservatives (whatever that shit is) but with fundamental Human Rights. ;)

  26. Andrea Brown

    Yes. Also people immigrating to Europe should be asked if they accept same sex marriage, gender equality, disabled equality, human rights, etc. Refusal to do so, should result in immediate deporation.

    • JD Blaha

      they are coming to escape American/European funded wars, not to get a same sex marriage.

    • Andrea Brown

      JD Blaha Doesn’t matter. If they ahve a problem with any EU minorities then they should either adjust their attitudes or not come.

    • Ricardo Santos Marques

      What Andrea means is that they should be asked that in order to understand if they are prepared to integrate our society and accept our cultural values.

  27. Andrea Brown

    If you don’t like gay marriage, don’t marry someone the same sex. It really is that simple.

  28. JD Blaha

    all European Citizens should have equal rights. Pretty radical idea, eh?

  29. Andrea Brown

    JD Blaha Doesn’t matter. If they have a problem with any EU minorities then they should either adjust their attitudes or not come.

  30. Georgius Portugalus

    Yes of course! But in countries like Poland will be very difficult to see the law pass in parliament since the Catholic church has too much influence in the society.

    • Y a r i

      I am in Italy, in Rome, where the Catholic Church is not only an influence, it actually resides here. If we did the civil union law, you can do the same, and both can advence to the marriage step, which for us it would only require to add the adption policy to the now existent civil union.

  31. Anatilde Alves

    Btw marriage in general is not a natural thing. It’s a made by man thing. 😏 don’t see animals getting married.

  32. Tony Petersen

    Is the Pope Catholic? Of course it should – yesterday.
    If I mention the Pope, it’s cuz marriage, regardless of gender or sexual orientation, is a civic bond between two consenting adults that has no relation to faith or religion. Anything else is bigotry and discrimination. Now can I get an amen in here?

  33. Eno Anda Kawer

    It is a human right. Identical to the human right already granted for non-same-sex marriages. A right is nothing to discuss, neither to vote for. It just needs to be granted

    • Stefania Portici

      i diritti civili , da soli , senza i diritti sociali ed umani “è la vittoria di Pirro ” cioè una battaglia persa

  34. Παυλος Χαραλαμπους

    It’s harm’s no one and it’s the right of those people to be treated as equal. .off corce adoption of children from those couples should be debated more on the basis of the childs interest

  35. Andrew Chandler

    No. Social and religious issues like this should be decided on by individual member states, whatever the predominant views might be across the EU. Hungary’s constitution has a clause recognising marriage as between a man and a woman. If you think imposing one EU view is more important than European unity, I don’t, but I do support recognition by states of equal rights across a range and variety of partnerships.

    • Y a r i

      I want my brothers and sisters in Hungry to have all the rights that equal human beings have according to our European values, and i certainly want them to have as much civil rights as i do have in Italy, because they are not different than me. Why should i let them be less? Why should i let Hungry’s government treat LGBT people like second-class citizens just because they’re a few kilometres across the alps from me? No.

      EQUALITY IS EQUALITY, and it is not “a view”, it is one of our, the EU, fundamental principles.

    • Andrew Chandler

      LGBT people ARE treated equally in Hungary. It’s just that same-sex partnerships are seen as being different which, of course, they are. Being equal is not about being the same.

    • Eno Anda Kawer

      So, your ‘unity’ is based on surpressing other people. Thanks, we don’t want your unity. Obviously; you just want our money, it’s time for the EU to through hungary out. Democracy gone, human rights gone, there is not much european culture left in hungary. Go russian, putin will show you (again) how much a hungarian life is worth for them. A unity right the way you like it, I guess.

    • Emyr Gruffydd

      Andrew Chandler How are they different? Is it not a committment based on love, trust and stability, just like the marriage of a heterosexual couple?

    • Andrew Chandler

      The Bible (New Testament as well as Old, including Jesus’ teaching on marriage, Matthew 19), states clearlz that marriage is between one man and one woman. Hungary has chosen to put this definition into its constitution. It is entitled, as a sovereign nation state, to do so, even if other states and institutions within the EU take a contrary majority view. Some of these distinguish between secular rights and religious sacraments, as I do, and my churches do (Anglican and Baptist). According to their teaching, laws and liturgy, one of the purposes of marriage is procreation. That purpose is clearly not present in a same-sex union and therefore the relationship is fundamentally different in that respect. For some countries, like Hungary, this is a practical issue, as a combination of high emigration and low birthrate leads to a weak demographic structure compared with other countries in the EU with high levels of immigration. It is possible to support a traditional definition of marriage and the family while supporting equal rights for other types of relationships and families. That’s what toleration means. Forcing everyone to be the same is not liberalism – it’s dictatorship or even fascism.

    • Emyr Gruffydd

      Also, you have just called me a fascist. Are you aware what fascism is? How is allowing two people of the same sex to get married in a civil ceremony (nobody’s forcing your church to marry anyone, don’t sweat) fascism? Are you aware how serious using that word is?

  36. Wendy Harris

    I have always felt that gay marriage should be a separate act of union to heterosexual marriage. There should be equal rights given to gay and straight couples who have made a lawful commitment to each other but why can’t one be called marriage and the other something else? They are two clearly different things in terms of the sex of the couples involved so why homogenize the two? The very word ‘gay’ was chosen, by gays, to define their sexuality. Can they not choose a word to define their legal union? And why not have their own words to replace husband and wife?
    If the word marriage was confined to heterosexual union then all of the difficulties and prejudices associated with gay marriage would dissipate. The primary objection seems to be the attempt to legislate dogs into cats instead of allowing them to be two different things with an equal right to exist and to have their own ceremonies.

  37. Y a r i

    Of course. No debate on human rights, and no voting. According to our core principles, people MUST be treated as equals, that’s it. Give all the citizens the same civil rights!

  38. Helena Corte-Real

    Yes…But, don´t worry about those things…Europe is falling down, worry about that instead! Do a usefull job telling people how to prepare themselves for what´s coming: the fall of EU and the 3rd world war!

  39. Helena Corte-Real

    Yes…But, don´t worry about those things…Europe is falling down, worry about that instead! Do a usefull job telling people how to prepare themselves for what´s coming: the fall of EU and the 3rd world war!

    • Adam Pabian

      If it’s a human right then woman can’t get married? What a sexist!

    • EU Reform- Proactive

      Without going into more details of your half baked comment- you seem to suffer from illusory superiority, amorality & arguing from ignorance. Not even any great religion concurs with your statement. Sorry, fake “FACTS” from A-Z!

  40. Enric Mestres Girbal

    I think that when homosexual people choose to use a word not ment for them, psicologically accept that they are different to the others.

    • Wim Jansens

      So if we pick a different word and attribute all the same rights and obligations this type of commitment, that would be ok for you? It is a semantics problem for you?

    • Sarah Geoffrey

      we could call it Gayrriage… maybe ppl would accept it…

    • Enric Mestres Girbal

      Wim Jansens Let’s put it this way….if the sea is blue, why call it pink? either is a lie or somebody is got strabism.

    • Emyr Gruffydd

      Però a veure, qui diu que no és una paraula que no els convé? Ho vols dir de punt de vista catòlic? Pq es veu que al 2017 es pot casar-se per l’estat i fora de l’església eh… no sé si estaves al dia amb això Enric

    • Enric Mestres Girbal

      Casament no és nomes referint-se als catòlics…..a tot el món casament és la unió de un mascle i una femella, però actualment els “progres” , els dels miembros y miembras, han posat de moda aixó de dir “matrimoni” a la unió homosexual, només per tocar els penjolls a la gent normal.

  41. Stefania Portici

    vi risulta che uomo e donna non si sposa quasi più nessuno perchè la UE ha tolto loro i diritti fondamentali dell’esistenza ? Gli omosessuali si sposano per condividere il destino di quale vita ? Stessi diritti di buttarsi giù dal ponte, cioè nessun diritto sociale per nessuno. Ma quale società si sta costruendo ?

    There is that man and woman are not married hardly anyone because the EU has taken away their basic rights of existence? The homosexual get married to share the fate of what life? Same rights to jump off the bridge, ie no social right for anyone. But which company you’re building?

    • Stefania Portici

      l’amore non ha bisogno di sottoscrivere nessuna carta. Il matrimonio è un contratto per condividere diritti e doveri oltre l’amore I doveri li conosciamo sono tantissimi e i diritti quali sono ? Portando i ragazzi a non avere un futuro perchè la UE ha creato disoccupazione ! Toglie le pensioni ! Se qualcuno ha un bene può fare testamento non ha bisogno di sposarsi. La famiglia è un bene per la società e non è protetta dalla UE, da qualche anno la distrugge . Ci parlate di diritti omosessuali quando non rispettate i diritti fondamentali di nessuno

  42. Stefania Portici

    vi risulta che uomo e donna non si sposa quasi più nessuno perchè la UE ha tolto loro i diritti fondamentali dell’esistenza ? Gli omosessuali si sposano per condividere il destino di quale vita ? Stessi diritti di buttarsi giù dal ponte, cioè nessun diritto sociale per nessuno. Ma quale società si sta costruendo ?

    There is that man and woman are not married hardly anyone because the EU has taken away their basic rights of existence? The homosexual get married to share the fate of what life? Same rights to jump off the bridge, ie no social right for anyone. But which company you’re building?

    • Stefania Portici

      l’amore non ha bisogno di sottoscrivere nessuna carta. Il matrimonio è un contratto per condividere diritti e doveri oltre l’amore I doveri li conosciamo sono tantissimi e i diritti quali sono ? Portando i ragazzi a non avere un futuro perchè la UE ha creato disoccupazione ! Toglie le pensioni ! Se qualcuno ha un bene può fare testamento non ha bisogno di sposarsi. La famiglia è un bene per la società e non è protetta dalla UE, da qualche anno la distrugge . Ci parlate di diritti omosessuali quando non rispettate i diritti fondamentali di nessuno

  43. Maria Krasteva

    Of course! It’s ridiculous that we can be married in one country, but the second we cross a border, it no longer counts. The legal repercussions of that alone are a nightmare, plus it messes with one of the fundamental freedoms (movement of people.)

  44. Danny Boy

    Any European country that fails to legalize same sex marriage cannot at the same time criticize Islam,or any of the backward states like Pakistan or Saudi Arabia.
    You are no better then they are.

  45. Raquel Pereira

    There is no debat possible, this is nobody concern except the ones getting married, therefore I don’t understand how can be illegal. Maybe on top of this the human rights art. 16 should be changed. It states “1. Men and women of full age, without any limitation due to race, nationality or religion, have the right to marry and to found a family.”, maybe it should say “1.2 or more humans of full age ….”

  46. Raquel Pereira

    There is no debat possible, this is nobody concern except the ones getting married, therefore I don’t understand how can be illegal. Maybe on top of this the human rights art. 16 should be changed. It states “1. Men and women of full age, without any limitation due to race, nationality or religion, have the right to marry and to found a family.”, maybe it should say “1.2 or more humans of full age ….”

  47. catherine benning

    No. Same sex marriage is not marriage at all. Marriage can only and is only valid between a man and a woman. The dynamics are not at all equal. Not in any way.

    In fact, it is well hidden but, this practice has been quite disastrous for the institution of marriage in its meaning.

    http://www.demogr.mpg.de/papers/working/wp-2004-018.pdf

    In the UK the laws on marage to make it possible for Same Sex couples had to be changed to allow for infidelity. And numerous other unacceptable requirements for devotion to each other from the participants.

    Read this for enlightenment as to how marriage in the UK is no longer for people who are devoted to each other of opposite gender, both physically and spiritually. It is an outrage.

    http://www.marilynstowe.co.uk/2014/03/28/six-facts-about-gay-marriage-and-number-four-will-surprise-you/

    And here you will read of the Lords who gave good reasons to vote against.it passing into law.

    http://www.newstatesman.com/politics/2013/06/18-arguments-made-against-gay-marriage-house-lords

    And last but by no means least, those children who suffer terribly because of such a law having been in the West who tell us they criminalise abuse of children.

    https://illinoisfamily.org/homosexuality/same-sex-parenting-is-child-abuse/

    • Duncan

      Catherine, criminalise abuse of children? That’s been a criminal act here far longer than same sex marriage has been legal. . . . .
      As for no longer being for people of opposite gender, that would be the entire point of it surely? To make it for all people who connect to another human physically and spiritually? I might not understand the mindset of those who are attracted to people of the same sex, but that doesn’t mean I, or anyone else has the right to try to prevent them from thinking that way. That kind of thinking is . . . . . Ethically reprehensible at best. And so if they can feel about a person who is the same gender as them the way I can feel about a person of the opposite gender then why should they have less right than me to publicly declare this with a state ceremony? My religion may not support this, and I see that as right also. But why should these people have less state given rights than any other member of our state? Care to give a single rational argument for why? Who do they harm with such an action? It might offend certain bigoted thinking individuals, but it doesn’t harm them. My counterpoint would be that bigoted opinions offend me, but they are still legal. If we banned everything that offended anyone we wouldn’t be allowed to do anything at all.

    • Luis Terra

      Of course you’re polish…

    • Rajmund Klonowski

      Luis Terra having a problem with someone’s national identity makes you a chauvinist.

    • Eric Lyrios

      I don’t agree with Jaroslaw, but trying to point his nationality as the problem is a despicable act. Shame on you Luis Terra. I’m Portuguese too and this is not how we should behave babes.

    • Ferdy Araujo

      The Portuguese learnt to smell fascists in the distance. Too much experience with little dictators controlling other people’s lives.

    • Georgius Portugalus

      I can’t understand why is this still a matter of debate… are these people consenting adults? Yes? Than why do they need the authorisation of the rest the society? Two consenting adults should always be able to marry if they chose to.

  48. Seán Rohan

    Of course…we already voted to legalize it here in Ireland, we are Europeans not backward Americans (or screwed up Hungarians)

    • Emyr Gruffydd

      Yet you have some of the most restrictive abortion rights in Europe. Hopefully that can change soon, because that’s pretty backward, in all honesty

  49. Stefania Portici

    i diritti civili , da soli , senza i diritti sociali ed umani “è la vittoria di Pirro ” cioè una battaglia persa

  50. Wim Jansens

    Ivan Burrows If we want to base it on a natural reproductive criteria then sterile people or older people shouldn’t be allowed to marry either. If we want to argue that only natural sexual orientations are allowed then we should actually allow gay marriage as it occurs naturally in the world in many different species.

  51. Janoš Horvat

    Ivan Burrows if you equate all of these isms as the same, you have some serious brain damage.
    Last time I checked, the EU didn’t exterminate Jews, didn’t build gulags.

    • Georgius Portugalus

      I can’t understand why is this still a matter of debate… are these people consenting adults? Yes? Than why do they need the authorisation of the rest the society? Two consenting adults should always be able to marry if they chose to.

    • Chris Pavlides

      Because they demand to become parents, enter our kids school class & dictate society. Behavior generates behavior.

  52. Wim Jansens

    Andrius Adomaitis A common problem with no adoption; A man has a child with a woman; turns out he is gay and leaves the woman to marry another man. The man gets custody of the child and they have a family, two dads one child for over a decade. Then the natural father dies, and leaves a husband and a child behind. But regardless how close the band between the father and the son, they are not allowed to legally recognise that relationship? Or would you allow an exception to this situation? If so what is the difference with just allowing adoption altogether?

  53. Peter Hicks

    yes explain? We are all of this earth and so we as humans are of natural order so our actions however horrific or evil or just gay is of natural order. There are no rules in this life and there should be no self proclaimed judges except for in a court of law. Unless you go by fundamental religious views which have no standing then live and let live.
    Ps… not gay just human

    • Wouter Russchen

      Alexander Glogowski we’re not talking about two friends, we’re talking about two people who are in love

    • Ferdy Araujo

      In the past the talk was about “friendship” indeed. Poles still live in the 1930s.

    • Beny Simko

      What are the fruits of that love? Children? Or HIV, gonorrhea, papilloma, syphilis..?

    • Rajmund Klonowski

      Leah, how a year on a calendar is an argument in a debate? ;)

    • Leah Nedahl

      Maybe I’m just ahead of my time, but I really strongly believe in equal rights :)

    • Rajmund Klonowski

      Well, homosexual people have an equal right to marry now — that is, to enter a legal union between a man and a woman called marriage.

    • Leah Nedahl

      So you approve of civil partnerships then? – That’s good, a step in the right direction :)

    • Tomislav Košta

      This is not debate topic. Why should anyone ask for permission to love or marry who ever he wants?!

    • Emyr Gruffydd

      Rajmund Klonowski As a heterosexual man, would you like to marry a man?

  54. Teo Nagy

    Legalise also drugs and pedophily and tell the nation it’s great to do, cause we’re all different.🙄 Slovakia has 20 times lower AIDS % than UK, Spain for example. In last years AIDS started spreading in EU again . Guess why? I am proud of Slovakia , that they didn’t let this happen and even strictened the laws on it here.

  55. Rajmund Klonowski

    Well, homosexual people have an equal right to marry now — that is, to enter a legal union between a man and a woman called marriage.

  56. Márton Kovács

    Good for you Paule keep it to yourself, don’t promote it. Gay marriage isn’t a basic right let me remind you. Left argues that if we don’t let gays to marry we discriminate them. Well that’s not true by definition, in countries where gay marriage isn’t legal, gays are NOT discriminated. Because gays have the exact same rights as heterosexuals, they don’t have any less rights as they can use the bathroom they want (There is no such thing as gay bathroom or gay sink like there was for african americans in early 20th century), they can do what they want with each other, etc. They live the exact same freedom. When gay marriage is allowed it equals as a ‘normalization and promotion’ of being gay. When debating, you are not talking about your rights, you are talking about everyone’s rights. Because if it is legalized then I get that right too. And as a citizen I am free to say that I don’t want that right!

  57. Dylan Djavit

    Yes it should :) any human has the right to marriage if he or she understands what it means for his/her happiness and as a value for the society.

  58. Andrei Daniel

    Любомир Иванчев The only country that forces the church to perform same-sex religious marriage is, if I am not mistaken, Denmark, because of them being a religious state, there is an oficial state religion and is regulated. It’s just how their constitutionalism works. :)

  59. Evelina Okunevic

    Rajmund Klonowski Nope, the definition of marriage quote: the legally or formally recognized union of two people as partners in a personal relationship. But historically and in some jurisdictions specifically a union between a man and a woman.
    Also it is a good example of how much impact a society has on us. If we were never told by the society and could form our opinion on gay people purely from our observation and self growth, how that would change our thinking?

  60. Raphael Pelengaris

    People..! PLEASE Read YOUR HISTORY..!!!
    Gay people is not something new..!!
    Just every single time religions and politicians says that is not right and turn people against the own nature..!! Just start Sharing the true history..!!
    END OF STORY..!!

  61. Dirk Schönhoff

    Teo Nagy, what a pitty a guy with your chances and talents does not make use of what was given to you. It’s not Putin or Orban giving you the freedom to live and travel where ever you want. It is the european idea of equal chances and freedom besides national boarders to developp your own ideas . Be fair and allow just the same to other people. Think about it and I am counting on your support!

  62. Mitsos Daniel

    Yes. According to our core European principles, people must be treated as equals. There’s no voting or debate regarding human rights. Just grant them already.

    • Stefania Portici

      non è un diritto umano ti correggo è un diritto civile.

    • Beny Simko

      They are treated as equals: any man (regardless of his sexual orientation) can marry a woman and vice versa, what you are talking about is not marriage

    • Mitsos Daniel

      Any person should have the right to marry whoever they want. No matter the sex. That’s what i’m talking about – the right to marry. It’s a fundamental human right that should include everyone. This what equality means. It’s simple really

    • Mitsos Daniel

      And what’s unequal between you and a person who was born to have a certain sexual orientation ? Just the same random way yours was ‘decided’ that way too ? Makes zero sense dude

    • José Manuel Castro Lousada

      I am for the same rights for both unions. Just prefer to have a different name for it, other than “marriage”.

    • Ferdy Araujo

      If you don’t like a word don’t use it. It is your problem not other people’s.

    • José Manuel Castro Lousada

      Fernanda Parente If we are asked about it´s because one can answer yes or no, don´t you think so?!

  63. Spyros Zochios

    It is not that easy to express yourself with a simple YES or NO. Showing respect be in compliance with human rights the answer must be yes, for it is the right of each individual to live the way he desires provided he/she showw respect to human laws and most importantly to NATURE΄S Laws. Yet, i wonder why do we have laws concerning marriage, what is the reason for getting married. Men in particular had many problems and still have if they do not like to get married the woman they have relation with. Why is it necessary to be married and not have free relations. I guess it must the children΄s interest and protection from vulgar human curiosity and brutal behavior that made societies establish laws that you have to be married to have children. If this is the case there is no reason or necessity for homosexual humans to get married. Provisions regarding their legal protection for any aspect of their cohabitation and liberty are enough. If they are for more rights as state benefits or children adoption then it must be condemned and be considered immoral action. I support this stance of mine for i have always condemned the adoption normal couples do. It is correct, it is devine to adopt a child abandoned from parents provided the child at a certain age be informed who his/her parents are. It is inhuman and brutal action not let you know who you are. We all know what happens when children are informed that their parents are not their real parents. What a traumatic experience. One can imagine the trauma of the children when they realize that only women give birth to children or will not be easy to understand why two men should share the same bed. And when they reach the age all children do not accept the wisdom of parents one can realize what the rection of the children. I have red interviews of homosexual parents who say how they achieve the adoption The cost is about 150000 dollars. The case is carried out by lawyers. It is of great importance that the mother need the money so that when the moment to realize, during the pregnancy the crime she is going to commit comes she must not be able to refuse compliance with the agreement and refuse to give the child. I can no find and use proper words to characterisee the attitude of people who are given the right to behave so brutally.. I might aknowledge their right to adopt children provided the child isis old enough to know and understand the rules, to know what will happen in the home, to be reassured that when decides to leave΄΄parents΄΄ will have the right to do so and the parents will be obliged to support the child until a certain age. Respect to human indignity and rights above all.

    • Stefania Portici

      mi sembra il commento più intelligente che ho letto. Al diritto del bambino nessuno lo ha menzionato

    • Spyros Zochios

      Stefania Portici Stefania ti ringranzio. Sono fermamente convinto che l΄uomo ama solo se stesso. Non e la mia filosofia, ma ΄΄homo homini lupus e un grande verita.Quindi io sostegno, e mi opognio a lidea che lui chi mostra mancanza di rispeto a le leggi della natura non possono pensare che hanno la possabilita di adotare bambini. Scuza mi per i sbagli linguisti.

  64. Spyros Zochios

    It is not that easy to express yourself with a simple YES or NO. Showing respect and be in compliance with human rights, the answer must be yes, for it is the right of each individual to live the way he desires provided he/she show respect to human laws and most importantly to NATURE΄S Laws. Yet, i wonder why do we have laws concerning marriage, what is the reason for getting married. Men in particular had many problems and still have if they do not like to get married the woman they have relation with. Why is it necessary to be married and not have free relations. I guess it must have been the children΄s interest and protection from vulgar human curiosity and brutal behavior that made societies establish laws that one must be married to have children. If this is the case there is no reason or necessity for homosexual humans to get married. Provisions regarding their legal protection for any aspect of their cohabitation and liberty, are enough. If they are looking for more rights, as state benefits or children adoption it must be condemned and be considered as an immoral action. I support this stance of mine, for i have always condemned the adoption normal couples do. It is correct, it is devine to adopt a child abandoned from parents, provided the child at a certain age be informed who his/her parents are. It is inhuman and brutal action not let you know who you are and people hide your identity. We all know what happens when children are informed that their parents are not their real parents. What a traumatic experience. Furthermore one can imagine the trauma of the children when they realize that only women give birth to children or will not be easy to understand why two men should share the same bed. And when they reach the age all children do not accept and reject parents΄ ΄΄wisdom΄΄, one can realize what the reαction of the children. I have red interviews of homosexual parents who give details of the procedures and how they achieve to avoid traps and adopt a child The cost is about 150000 dollars. The case is carried out by lawyers. It is of great importance that the mother need the money so that when the moment to realize, during the pregnancy, the crime she is going to commit comes, she must not be able to refuse compliance with the agreement and refuse to give the child. I can not find and use proper words to characterise the attitude of people who are given the right to behave so brutally.I might aknowledge their right to adopt a child provided the child is old enough to be able to know and understand the rules, to know what will happen in the home, to be reassured that when he/she decides to leave΄΄parents΄΄ will have the right to do so, and the parents will be obliged to support the child until a certain age. Respect to human dignity and rights above all.

    • Stefania Portici

      mi sembra il commento più intelligente che ho letto. Al diritto del bambino nessuno lo ha menzionato

    • Spyros Zochios

      Stefania Portici Stefania ti ringranzio. Sono fermamente convinto che l΄uomo ama solo se stesso. Non e la mia filosofia, ma ΄΄homo homini lupus e un grande verita.Quindi io sostegno, e mi opognio a lidea che lui chi mostra mancanza di rispeto a le leggi della natura non possono pensare che hanno la possabilita di adotare bambini. Scuza mi per i sbagli linguisti.

  65. Sarah Geoffrey

    I can’t understand why is this still a matter of debate… are these people consenting adults? Yes? Than why do they need the authorisation of the rest the society? Two consenting adults should always be able to marry if they chose to.

    • Sorina Alexandra Toltică

      Unfortunately, some countries around Europe are still very religious and quite homophobic. Europe is not as homogeneous in values and way of thinking as it might seem.

  66. Gergana Nencheva

    I can not even call them marriages.These sorts of strange human relationships shouldn`t be part of our everyday life nor debated all over the world.

    • Ana Margarida Simões

      might I respectfuly ask in which way do you feel it affects you? (just curious to listen to your reasons really)

  67. Sarah Geoffrey

    Most European countries (if not all) are secular states. I understand no one can force a church, and a religion, to accept religious gay marriages, but civil marriage, in Secular States, should be allowed to any consenting adults. I can’t understand why we need to debate this.

    • Faouzi Siblani

      + polygamy ! ( 2 is good, but 3 is better :) )

  68. José Bessa da Silva

    The is nothing “across Europe”. Europe is not a state and it will never be and the EU is a useless, incompetent and corrupt institution that shall be dissolved sooner rather then later.

    • José Bessa da Silva

      Nem isso é. Geográficamente o correcto seria Eurásia já que a Europa não passa de uma invenção.

    • Ana Margarida Simões

      por essa lógica todos os países são também uma invenção :)

    • José Bessa da Silva

      Exactamente. Todos os países são uma invenção. Mas a Europa é o único continente que não obdece às regras. A lógica também diz que país e continente não são a mesma coisa. Em suma ficamos na mesma. A Europa não é nada.

  69. Paule Egé

    Well, it is sad to see young people with these thoughts. You cant imagine the suffering of the gay community in countries like yours. Be proud of Slovakia but I do not think you represent the European values :)

  70. Μάρω Λιόλη

    Of course it should.That’s a given actually, I can’t even begin to understand why I still have to worry about this in 2017

  71. Adrian Wong

    No…..if they say yes…then should those who does not support it have their right not to support it in anyway? The EU looks after the individual rights of everyone, is tr true? Or they will only be liberal and tolerant with those who are in sync with them? Or if they do not get what they want, those tolerant people will go around rioting and destroying other people’s property?

    • Ana Margarida Simões

      what? everyone has the right to either support it or not. Then the votes are counted, and if the ones who support are the majority, they win and those who don’t support will always have the right to not support it and speak freely about it. It’s called democracy and freedom of expression

    • Emyr Gruffydd

      Adrian, how would same sex marriage affect your right to be married? Or how would it affect your right to hold views? Would it affect it in a negative manner?

    • Adrian Wong

      @Emyr, your definition of freedom to love does not cater to you only. If one group of people can have that..so will another…such as paedos…you are talking about diversity, equality and individual human rights, are you not?

      It is not how it would affect my right to my views but rather can those so called liberal and tolerant people allow me to hold my views, usa is a good example.

      So yes, it would impact on the whole in a negative manner because anyone with a short circuit fused brain will want their rights to do what they want.

  72. Adrian Wong

    Good…please tell those liberal and tolerant people about that. That means to say you agree that a pastor has the right not to solemnised gay marriage and a bakery have the right not to bake a wedding cake for gay marriages, right?

  73. Viorika Motoi

    Absolutely not,thei live the life an eny case haw they liket ,what for they need marriage ?

    • Emyr Gruffydd

      So what’s the need for marriage in heterosexual couples, as they also live their lives as they like?

  74. Wim Jansens

    Ok so under a different name you would be perfectly fine with a gay couple commiting to the same right and obligations as a straight couple could do under a legalised marriage. The two situations would have the same legal consequences but the name would be different?

  75. Emyr Gruffydd

    Però a veure, qui diu que no és una paraula que no els convé? Ho vols dir de punt de vista catòlic? Pq es veu que al 2017 es pot casar-se per l’estat i fora de l’església eh… no sé si estaves al dia amb això Enric

  76. Thomas Beavitt

    What is needed is not “gay marriage” but precisely privacy. But people don’t even seem to want that so I expect they will get the Europe they deserve.

  77. Chris Pavlides

    Because they demand to become parents, enter our kids school class & dictate society. Behavior generates behavior.

  78. Ray Cremona

    Extreme…liberalism….will bring about more resurgence of extreme fundamentalism…we should promote what nature intended for us…on the other hand leave a,lone people having private life styles

    • Daan Baeten

      Nature? There’s +1500 species on earth of which we know they perform homosexual acts for several reasons and there are also some papers out there suggesting some reasons why it’s also common with humans, so not sure what you are seeing as “natural” here
      You can always use the unnatural thing called Google scholar on the PCs that grow from trees to look into research

    • Beny Simko

      Ask gastroenterologists and urologists how “healthy” this “natural” practice is…

  79. EU Reform- Proactive

    It was mentioned it’s none of the EU’s business and I concur.

    What else do THEY want to regulate and decide upon? The EU already fails in their core business of economic transformation. Just a diversion to gain popularity?

    If ethics are moral principles influenced and shaped by cultural practice, religion & prevailing social norms- one can imagine if one or more of the (three) principles change – ethics will change with time as well.

    If that is for better or worse- unstoppable global evolution in cultural change, norms and progress in medical and science technologies will determine it pace & outcome.

    Personally, I am disgusted by the exhibitionist gross & tasteless nature of gay parades. Rub it in- or be decent, private and reserved about it?
    https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3284025/

  80. José Bessa da Silva

    Exactamente. Todos os países são uma invenção. Mas a Europa é o único continente que não obdece às regras. A lógica também diz que país e continente não são a mesma coisa. Em suma ficamos na mesma. A Europa não é nada.

  81. Andrew Chandler

    Eno Anda Kawer I’m not suppressing anyone and neither, in my opinion, is the Hungarian State, which respects gay rights. You know nothing about me, so please don’t assume that you do. I pay taxes in the UK and Hungary, am a British subject living in Hungary, earning a quarter of what I earned in the UK. I have campaigned for gay rights since the 1970s, and have many gay friends, some of whom are married and others who, like me, share the Christian definition of marriage. Like I said, you know nothing!

  82. Andrew Chandler

    Campaigning for Gay Rights used to be about campaigning for the right to be recognised as being different, and for a heterogeneous, tolerant society.

  83. Emyr Gruffydd

    Great, thanks for that, now you can answer a few questions:

    Am I right to believe that it is possible to get married by the state in Hungary, without the blessing of the church? (A man and a woman, I mean)? Am I also right in believing that only a civil service is legally valid in Hungary, and not a religious service on its own, which has no legal value? As God is not “present” in a civil, state service, how is the religious definition of marriage relevant in this case? And does the fact that God is not present in a non-religious marriage (a civil marriage) take away a man and a woman who have got married by the state the right to call it a “marriage”?

    Secondly, you talk about pro-creation. If a 65 year old heterosexual couple were to meet, fall in love and get married, logic says (and biology too) that they will be unable to procreate. Does this take away the right to call their union marriage?

    You talk about it “being a practical issue”. Hungary just held a racist referendum on refugees as they don’t want immigrants yet complain about a falling birth rate. Are you suggesting that gay people should start entering in unhappy, psychologically damaging heterosexual relationships in order to procreate? Or do you respect people’s right to live their lives in the most natural manner possible?

  84. Rado Bozov

    Ethics never change, it is a constant of time, however, reaching enriched ethical values might require inputing predictive algorithms of possible behavioral relations. Avoiding corruption has been considered ethical. Avoiding killing has been considered ethical. Marriage , by definition, and by virtue of reality, is a consideration of a union between opposite genders in order to possibly yield an offspring, a fundamental feature of biological processes. Same sex unions cannot be placed thereafter under the a nominator of a common realization. But, the right of choosing a lifestyle should remain an objective to parameters regarding once ability to judge reality through his/her own education, cultural, and ethical agenda acquired by the process of educating oneself onto biological principles. It seems that financial benefits regarding marriage constrains could be differentiated based on a predictable behavior of expenditure. Generally, same sex marriage should not fall under jurisdictional values of heterosexuals. Although rights to adoption may be considered equal, same sex union, SSU, should be distinguished from the epistemological and the ontological values of a heterosexual union called marriage!

    • EU Reform- Proactive

      Hi Rado, – “never” or evolutionary? If ethics is subject to evolution and serves to extend the survival of our species- than it may follow that same sex marriage can & should reduce overpopulation (one of several probabilities)- and save part of global humanity from itself. “Generally” laws are made for all (majority)- otherwise everyone invents its own bubble & own law.

      However, if spearheaded by politicians of an “extinct” going EU population- ethics should not (be) change(d) but should remain true to its more traditional norm. One may conclude: promoting “s.s.m.” legislation is another counterproductive policy to reverse Europe’s falling birth rate . It is driven by the system and their liberal lawyers & politicians to satisfy a (liberal?) minority- not the majority- to comply to “modernity” and out of self-interest.

      Yesteryear’s norm (ethic) has to give way to new criteria to sync with the latest interpretation of today’s “HR laws”. This can only accelerate the end of a traditional European society, where ethics is/was thought to be static.

      http://www.evolutionaryethics.com/index.html

  85. Radoslav Bozov

    Liberty is about accepting and/or respecting a choice, but equality of rights due variations of ethical values!

  86. catherine benning

    Very few countries on the planet allow same sex marriage. This list below is a group of them. Meaning, in the democratic sense, the planet is against such a union for whatever reasons. And remember many European countries still do not allow or want SSM. And only one country in the world had a referendum for their people on it. Ireland. Which one does have to question. It seems very odd they oppose abortion but welcome SSM. When something doesn’t make sense it’s usually not true.

    https://www.buzzfeed.com/saeedjones/76-countries-where-anti-gay-laws-are-as-bad-as-or-worse-than?utm_term=.plkj0Y1ng#.tswQAxeaD

    Then there are the voiceless. Children. The ones we want to deny exist as part of this issue. Politically correct data doesn’t like opposition in any form.

    http://www.foxnews.com/opinion/2012/06/12/study-finds-host-challenges-for-kids-gay-parents.html

    And, has anyone correlated the decade when same sex relationships became acceptable? Wasn’t it after the spread of AIDS. Now, how could you be treated for a disease, thought at the time to be spread via homosexuality, when that practice was considered illegal?

    • Duncan

      Catherine, would you like to collate your thoughts and try to form a rational coherent point? Because this just seems meandering.

  87. Georg Friedrich

    Homosexuality means death: any children, any survival of society and nation.
    Only heterosexuality can secure this.
    So why something, what is so little valuable in biological sense, must be considered as “equal” on the legal level (institution of marriage)? Its make no sense.

  88. Enric Mestres Girbal

    Casament no és nomes referint-se als catòlics…..a tot el món casament és la unió de un mascle i una femella, però actualment els “progres” , els dels miembros y miembras, han posat de moda aixó de dir “matrimoni” a la unió homosexual, només per tocar els penjolls a la gent normal.

  89. PV Pedrocas

    George Agavriloaiei, nobody died here in Portugal with the gay marriage. Just open your mind and let people be happy.

  90. A_Strange_Idea

    Yes, but no major media coverage. Marriage is a symbolic bond between people and no one should interfere in their choices. At the same time it does not deserve any special attention, because it should be no different than a regular marriage.

  91. Devina

    Yes, same sex marriage allows people to be free and be who they are. It is exactly the same as a regular marriage. This is the 21st century, people are allowed to marry who the want to marry, people are allowed to be attracted to whoever they want!!

  92. Faddi Zsolt

    I never understood why they want to marry? Why living together as life partners isn’t enough?

    • Faddi Zsolt

      Hanne Cokelaere Marriage is something sacred. A woman and a man can reproduce themselves, and marriage has benefits for them. Same sex marriages aren’t sacred, and they cannot reproduce themselves!

    • Fabio Van Deun

      Faddi Zsolt What about male-female couples that cannot have children for whatever reason? Sacred or not?

    • Faddi Zsolt

      Fabio Van Deun of course sacred! I can tolerate homosexuality when it is out of my sight, out of my yard! When i read such a provocative article, i immediately began to radicalize!

    • Renato Tuveri-Ellis

      Faddi Zsolt what you consider “sacred” is only on Churches and mosques. Here we are talking about civil marriage, nothing to do with religion.

    • Renato Tuveri-Ellis

      Faddi Zsolt what you consider “sacred” is only on Churches and mosques. Here we are talking about civil marriage, nothing to do with religion.

    • Renato Tuveri-Ellis

      Faddi, so you can tolerate me and my husband. Very happy about that, I will tolerate you as well, out of my sight of course.

    • Renato Tuveri-Ellis

      Faddi, so you can tolerate me and my husband. Very happy about that, I will tolerate you as well, out of my sight of course.

    • James Murphay

      “I can tolerate homosexuality when it is out of my sight”…Funny enough I can’t tolerate bigoted pricks whether in my sight or not. If two men or two women choose to marry, what the hell has it got to do with you?

    • James Murphay

      “I can tolerate homosexuality when it is out of my sight”…Funny enough I can’t tolerate bigoted pricks whether in my sight or not. If two men or two women choose to marry, what the hell has it got to do with you?

    • Dora Sofroniadou

      Partners for life, one of the two dies and 50% of his fortune goes to nephews and other relatives who had been judge mental and mean to the couple since forever. The other partner left alone, in grief, lost his property amongst all… let someone else judge them, the sacredness of marriage is about love, not reproduction.. reproduction has to do with animal instinct and continuation of the species.. get your story straight and let people do what they want and need, they do not harm you in any way..

    • Faddi Zsolt

      Dora Sofroniadou this philosophy leads to extinction. Human reproduction isn’t just animal instinct, it is the meaning (one of) of existence. By the way, i mentioned above, that i don’t have anything against them to live together or to love each other…

    • Elise Diana

      I never understood why people feed these discussions!

    • Richard W. Jacquard

      Lol, you never understood why fellow human beings want the same rights and protections as you? I think that’s called being a sociopath

    • Richard W. Jacquard

      Lol, you never understood why fellow human beings want the same rights and protections as you? I think that’s called being a sociopath

    • Richard W. Jacquard

      Lol, you never understood why fellow human beings want the same rights and protections as you? I think that’s called being a sociopath

    • Nikos Voudouris

      Nice faddi took the lowest animal instic and presented it as the meaning of everything… well here goes all the philosophy of humans being better than other animals

    • PV Pedrocas

      Faddi Zsolt marriage is a legal contract, giving civil protection in many aspects. You mixing religion with civil rights

    • PV Pedrocas

      Faddi Zsolt we are 7 BILLION living in this planet. Are you really concerned about Human reproduction?!

    • Faddi Zsolt

      First: I’m not religious. Second: I answered on a question. Third: I and another 6.99 billion people are against same sex marriage, especially against male-male marriage. I don’t think that we can continue with argumentation, because I am against it. It is only my opinion.

  93. Faddi Zsolt

    I never understood why they want to marry? Why living together as life partners isn’t enough?

  94. Kelly Émilie Finger

    Not for it but it’s better to recognize those communities so they won’t hide from the entire society and hurt people or themselves by using different-sex partners for having children or have heavier psychological issues. Alternative words to marriage should be ok.

    • Nikos Voudouris

      Is definattely a way to help these people feel at home but just take all these people saying no in the commends

    • Iulian Sora

      Daniel Tufeanu sry mate, i’m actually happy it happens like that… that’s why i laughed in the first comment :)))) out of my sight out of my mind… cand vad cum isi dau limbi in public si se uita zeflemitor in jur sa vada reactii , aia nu mai e de tolerat… they’re just asking for it…

    • Iulian Sora

      Daniel Tufeanu sry mate, i’m actually happy it happens like that… that’s why i laughed in the first comment :)))) out of my sight out of my mind… cand vad cum isi dau limbi in public si se uita zeflemitor in jur sa vada reactii , aia nu mai e de tolerat… they’re just asking for it…

    • Iulian Sora

      Daniel Tufeanu sry mate, i’m actually happy it happens like that… that’s why i laughed in the first comment :)))) out of my sight out of my mind… cand vad cum isi dau limbi in public si se uita zeflemitor in jur sa vada reactii , aia nu mai e de tolerat… they’re just asking for it…

    • Renato Tuveri-Ellis

      You already have gay marriage in Greece. Get over, you have serious things to think about.

  95. Maria Enea

    Yes, of course. It should be a civil right equal for all, no matter the religion, sexual orientation or any other criteria. I have the freedom to choose the person I marry and should be the same for everyone.

  96. Viorika Motoi

    No ,never ,hawever thei live haw thei like ,the next step is to recive the aceptacion of oll the society and thei want to adopt children like a normal family is a big mistake to go in this direccion.

    • Diana Ndoci

      Lmao your written english is funny😂😂

    • Elina Tsopela

      Grow up and mind your own business. Normal is where u can find love, definitely not in your hateful opinions.
      Btw, i’m straight

  97. Ricardo Pinhal

    Amazing how in the 21st century still people saying no this, of all the places, in Europe. Why does it bother some people so much? Don t be ridiculous, let them marry and adopt! Fucking losers!!

    • Diana Ndoci

      Richard W. Jacquard I do have, and many!! But first I want to say that i’m not homophobic! I respect them and what they want, I simply do not believe in it! And I have all the rights to think as I want to, and I will not agree for them to get married in church, it is unacceptable! I believe in God and i’ve been raised and I have proven, myself, that there is only one love, the one between a man and a woman! There is brotherly love between brothers and sisters or even friends, and the friendly love between friends, but i will never believe that exists love between a man and another man! It can be attraction or something in their head making them believe it’s the same love of a man and a woman but no, it isn’t! And I repeat, everybody’s free to do and to be with whoever they want, but marriage is too much, it is against nature.

  98. Pau Chi

    If you see the map, it’s still funny seeing how western member states are more advanced and developed in social rights. Eastern Europe should take advantage of this to evolve accordingly, so I don’t get the point of anchoring themselves in the past and against human rights!

    • Donika Pashoja

      Evolve like Germany, Sweden and France… Thanks but no thanks. We will just stay as “backwards” Eastern Europeans to the rest of Europe and nosy outsiders…each nation can decide what’s best for their nation.

    • Pau Chi

      What’s wrong with the German, Swedish and French evolutions? I find in those member states really developed societies that, by the way, are very advanced in diversity, inclusion and equality as well as follow the European Chart of Human Rights. If you are talking about following Russia as a model, I hope you’re just representing a minority among Eastern Europeans!

    • Pau Chi

      Besides, since the Treaty of Lisbon, Member States pulled more than 65% of sovereignty into the EU, so technically they are not nations anymore – only from a cultural and historical point of view. So we discuss in Brussels and agree on policies instead of making wars… but we’re so connected that if a woman married another woman in Portugal or the Netherlands, they should have the same social rights in Poland and in Rumania!

    • Galina Dimitrova Valcheva

      Donika Pashoja Agree! Tired of this so fake tolerance all around and the normal ordinary people are the one to be discriminated! You Pau Chi stay away from Eastern Europe if you don’t like it. We are not keen you to like us!

  99. Pau Chi

    If you see the map, it’s still funny seeing how western member states are more advanced and developed in social rights. Eastern Europe should take advantage of this to evolve accordingly, so I don’t get the point of anchoring themselves in the past and against human rights!

  100. Melina Georgiou Tofia

    Of course It should but not the adoptions in any other matter it’s a civil right for everyone to live there lives as they wish

    • Richard W. Jacquard

      I’m interested in the dichotomy your answer presents, why not adoption? Are you suggesting same-sex parents are worse than opposite sex parents?

    • Richard W. Jacquard

      I’m interested in the dichotomy your answer presents, why not adoption? Are you suggesting same-sex parents are worse than opposite sex parents?

    • Richard W. Jacquard

      I’m interested in the dichotomy your answer presents, why not adoption? Are you suggesting same-sex parents are worse than opposite sex parents?

    • Harris Tofias

      Obviously she means that a baby needs a mother figure,and taking that away from him it’s a criminal act,not talking about the kids who lost their parents ofcourse but to deprive a kid a mother is just cruel, and anw the kid is entitled to a mother and a father anything depreived by another human being is a criminal offence and should stay that way..Don’t get me wrong about opposite sex i’m not a racist or anything but i believe this is the natural way..

  101. Richard W. Jacquard

    I love how all the homophobic bigots respond NO! And when questioned have no argument or defense beyond silence or #becauseprejudice

    Get with the program and realise you don’t have the right to oppress people. And no, equal marriage at a civic level does not remove your religious freedom one iota, in fact people with different views living the life they were born to, essentially coexisting actually enhances and protects everyone’s rights.

  102. Richard W. Jacquard

    I love how all the homophobic bigots respond NO! And when questioned have no argument or defense beyond silence or #becauseprejudice

    Get with the program and realise you don’t have the right to oppress people. And no, equal marriage at a civic level does not remove your religious freedom one iota, in fact people with different views living the life they were born to, essentially coexisting actually enhances and protects everyone’s rights.

  103. Richard W. Jacquard

    I love how all the homophobic bigots respond NO! And when questioned have no argument or defense beyond silence or #becauseprejudice

    Get with the program and realise you don’t have the right to oppress people. And no, equal marriage at a civic level does not remove your religious freedom one iota, in fact people with different views living the life they were born to, essentially coexisting actually enhances and protects everyone’s rights.

  104. Tony Çk

    Faddi Zsolt Imagine if a gay would flirt with you lol
    I’m straight but apart that they have they own life and we shouldn’t interfere there’s actually some benefits there for all.
    Just gonna mention two : Adoption, and the second as harsh as it may be refering to reproduction … the world is already overpopulated.

  105. Nick Hapatidis

    Marriage is not just two people sharing expenses and the same house.It’s an emotional, spiritual and sexual bond between man and woman in order to give birth to children and raise a family. That is why there are legal implications regarding a marriage aiming at protecting the mother and the child. Same sex couples are just two persons who share a distorted sexual behaviour and it’s their right if this what they want. However they cannot be defined as husband and wife because they cannot fullfil such a definition

    • Pau Chi

      So basically you´re saying that your views are the only views that are right, based on judgements, and that you want to impose them to all of us. I do believe in a society to defend equality, equity and same access to human rights; instead of a society that defends a biased homophobic speech. Again, my hope is you represent very few Europeans.

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