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In 2013, Croatia became the newest Member State of the European Union. Seven or eight countries are now widely seen as likely candidates to follow them in and eventually join the European Union. However, with the EU still struggling with ever-present economic malaise, plenty of critics are lining up to warn that “bigger isn’t always better” when it comes to European integration.

No new countries are likely to join the 28-nation bloc until at least 2015, with some arguing that the EU won’t be ready to take on new members until 2020. There are also several roadblocks in place for some of the candidate countries. Kosovo’s independence, for example, is not recognised by all EU countries, although a surprise Serbia-Kosovo deal, brokered by EU High Representative Catherine Ashton in 2013, paves the way for its eventual EU membership. Turkey has been pushing for membership for decades, and it could still be at least 15 years before negotiations can be completed, especially with the EU so divided over whether Turkey should even join at all.

The other Western Balkan countries have all been told they can one day follow Croatia into the EU, as long as they make progress on democratic and economic reforms. However, a dispute with Greece over the name “Macedonia” has frozen that country’s membership prospects seemingly permanently. Iceland was keen to pursue membership after the financial crisis rocked the tiny Atlantic nation in 2008, but a new eurosceptic government recently suspended membership talks altogether. Finally, with Scotland set to vote on independence from the UK later this year, could Edinburgh be the next to apply for EU membership?

To read some in-depth analysis of the progress made by Western Balkan nations towards EU membership, be sure to check out the recent report published by our sister think-tank, Friends of Europe

All of the party manifestos published so far for the European Parliament elections in May mention enlargement, with most parties supporting adding more members to the EU. The  Greens want to “keep the door open to future enlargement of the EU“, the  Liberal Democrats say they will focus “on steady EU enlargement” and the  Social Democrats want to “maintain support for EU enlargment“. Only the  Centre-Right say they want to be “more prudent about EU enlargment by taking the EU capacity to integrate new members into consideration before accepting new applicants“. Don’t forget to vote for the party whose position on enlargement you support in our Debating Europe Vote 2014!

But what do Europe’s citizens think? We’ve been covering a series of town hall meetings between citizens and members of the European Commission recently as part of a continent-wide “Debate on the Future of Europe“. The most recent of these meetings took place in Zagreb, Croatia. Neven Mimica, Croatia’s EU Commissioner, answered questions from an audience of citizens.

During the debate, the audience was asked whether they thought Croatia would be able to help its neighbours in the Western Balkans to join the EU. Surprisingly, Croatian citizens seem quite sceptical about the idea, with only 41% saying “Yes” and almost the same amount (40%) answering negatively.

We’ve put together some facts and figures about the Western Balkans EU membership prospects in the infographic below (and you can click on the image for a larger version).

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Which country do YOU think should join the EU next? Is Montenegro ready to join the club? Should Iceland resume membership talks? Or could Scotland be the next EU Member State? Maybe you think the EU is already big enough, and should close the door to new members? Let us know your thoughts and comments in the form below, and we’ll take them to policy-makers and experts for their reactions.

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What do YOU think?

  1. Melina Papa

    serbia has to recognise kosovo as an indepetence state and after that she can join the EU.

    • George Yiannitsiotis, PhD

      Why? Kossovo was part of the territory of the Serbian Republic till 1999 when the brutal illegal (regarding Int.Law provisions) NATO attack lead to its secession from Serbia. The EU is against secessionist trends (i.e. Crimea, Scottland, Catalonia etc.). How can the EU raise a legitimate, coherent argument on Kossovo against Serbian candidacy?

    • Limbidis Arian

      Why would they?
      Under what “referendum” ( to Putin’s so-called referendum in the light ) did Kosovo secede?
      Referendums are also held COUNTRY WIDE, not REGION WIDE.

      Maybe my small town wants to secede and become the “Republic of Big Tall Trees” !
      That doesn’t mean we should actually do it.

      Kosovo is an illegal state. The specter of separatism haunts Europe and NO COUNTRY with a “problematic” region will EVER let Kosovo join.
      Their own regions might get ideas.
      Venetia, Catalonia, Scotland, etc

    • dimitri

      should america recognize TEXAS as an inependent state?

    • Mike Pat

      Serbia will be the 29th EU member-state, although the admission is not likely until 2020.

  2. Jaume Roqueta

    I don’t care to belong to a club that accepts people like me as members.
    Quotation of Groucho Marx

    • George Yiannitsiotis, PhD

      Only when Russia becomes EU member simultaneously!

  3. Danijel Knezevic

    The truth is there is no such thing as a kosovo people, they are Albanians, who became a majority over time.
    So it’s not likely that Serbia will ever recognise Kosovo as an independent state.
    EU should not accept new members until the existing ones develop enough, especially Romania, Bulgaria, Cyprus, Lithuania, and until Greece, Italy and Spain recover.
    We can only take in Swiss, Norway or Iceland, no one else.

    • Erol

      I disagree with most of the things you said. Firstly, if Serbia wants to become a new member state, it will have to recognize Kosovo as an independent state. That is de facto stated in the Brussels agreement. Secondly, it is in the interest of both Serbia and Kosovo to move forward in the EU membership, and also for Croatia. Especially for Bosnia and Herzegovina. You need to look at the Balkans as on a entangled puzzle, if one peace is missing, the puzzle is not complete. ;)

    • marija

      ah really? and what about macedonians? they do not deserve to live european dream???? even though they have fulfilled the criteria. I dont think that croatia is well developed either,

    • Natsumi

      Spain’s situation is pretty much a result of FMI and troika’s policies. First solve that.

    • dvallance

      I agree I think we have to close the gap between the richest and poorest states in the EU ignoring micro states as they have little sway on the average. Although the addition of the west Balkans will be around 10 million people and by the time the mange to join everything will be quite different anyway so I wouldn’t block there membership. We definitely cannot take turkey it is becoming less democratic by the day and is a country of 77 million people way to big considering the wealth gap plus it would increase the EU land border massively. I think if the EU crisis dissolves we may see Switzerland Norway and Iceland join as they have so much regulation from the EU anyway.

    • George Yiannitsiotis, PhD

      We need a real European Union; let the West European Usurers Corporation collapse in order to pave the way of rebirth to the European dream.

    • joanna cove

      ru kidding putin s a monster

    • Natsumi

      We need people like you dissapear XD

  4. Jaume Roqueta

    The club of carbon and steel… they change the name to european union but they are just bussiness men trying to steal all the richness of our contries… I would recomend Serbia to not join us becouse they wont control theyr monetary policy… they will be forced to do the contrary of economic textbooks and comon sense… and if they dont agree, an ex-GolmandSucks banker will be promoted to presiden, will send all the public sector to his freinds for nothing.

  5. Aubrey Williams

    Serbia has work to do, but I can see it becoming a member in some years’ time, sure. Iceland needs to get its act together with regards to its banks and economy.

  6. Jack Davey

    Catalonia, Scotland, Wales, Basque Country, Brittany and Cornwall, will be the next candidates if they want to join.

    • Natsumi

      First they have to separate XD

    • dvallance

      Wales and Cornwall and Brittany are all highly unlikely to become independent maybe autonomous. Scotland at this stage can go either way, Catalonia seems likely to become independent but it might not be recognized same for the Basque country although less likely

    • Yvetta

      They’re already in!

    • George Yiannitsiotis, PhD

      The Icelandres are smarter than my compatriots; they have nothing to gain from a usurers gang, namely the West European Usurers Corporation (disguised as “European Union”)!

  7. Danijel Knezevic

    It took almost 10 years for Croatia to enter after opening negotiations, and we had much better starting positions than Serbia.
    It’s hard to imagine that Serbia can enter EU within next 15 years.
    It will more probably be just another perpetual candidate state like Turkey.

  8. Veronika Manzanares Alberola

    Iceland does not want to be a EU member, and Serbia must still recognize its mistakes and recognize Kosovo to join it. Maybe Montenegro or Bosnia…

  9. Mateusz

    The European Union should continue its enlargement, and there is no doubt about that.

    However, the main concern here is the EU current condition, not only in terms of its economy but integration. There is a large problem of integrity within the European Union, what can be observed by looking f.e at the UK. With all respect to Montenegro, and Serbia, the European Union should uphold its enlargement, and deepen its integration prior to further enlargement. There is a need of the unity which could make the EU stronger, and bring us secured and stabilized future rather than continue enlargement and leave integration aside.

    We (EU) should have time to recover from the economic crisis and finally to progress with strengthening within, while the member countries would continue its progress to be well prepared to join the EU.

    • Marcel

      Great, more cheap labor that will come to flood our labor market and drive up unemployment and undercut local workers.

      Let’s see:

      -Turkey: never, it is not in Europe
      -Ukraine: never, we cannot afford to subsidize it plus we need to stop the flood of them coming west before it starts
      -Moldova: never, would be another one demanding money at our expense
      -Georgia: never
      -Armenia: never
      -Azerbaijan: never
      -Kosovo: isn’t a country
      -Bosnia: isn’t a country but a super-artificial construct of three groups of which at least one doesn’t want to be and shouldn’t be a part of it (what is this ‘territorial integrity’ nonsense?)

      The biggest question of all, who on earth would pay for it all with all of these poor countries wanting to come in, well mainly their politicians who eye the unelected tax-exempt jobs in Brussels.

      Again, the ‘bottom’ 50-70% (income-wise) in western Europe never benefitted from any accession or ‘open borders’ or the wealth-destroying Euro or anything.

  10. Ahmed AbdEl Khailq

    i guess Georgia will join in two three years max and also Iceland plus Scotland if they decide to get rid of England

    • George Yiannitsiotis, PhD

      Obviously you are unaware of international politics and the Yalta-1945 agreements; Georgia and Ukraine are not supposed to be under western economic and geopolitical influense.

    • C.p.

      Haha, yes…. But they have to do all the conditions in the adheration mechanism :p

  11. Dani Alexandrov

    Perhaps Former Yugoslavian Republic of Macedonia? Is Greece still blocking Former Yugoslavian Republic of Macedonia from applying for EU membership with the name thing?

    • George Yiannitsiotis, PhD

      The Former Yugoslav Republic of Macedonia has to abide by the following terms of the interim agreement:
      1. reform its constitution in order to trace out territorial or other nationalist threats against neighbours (namely the Hellenic region of Macedonia)
      2. cease to cultivate a propaganda based on the looting of Hellenic history and cultural heritage (including e.g. symbols like the Vergina star, symbol of the Macedonian empire of ΦΙΛΙΠΠΟΣ – Philip and his son ΑΛΕΞΑΝΔΡΟΣ – Alexander the Great)
      3. reach a compromise over the official international name of the FYRoM with neighbouring Hellenic Republic.

      It seems odd to knock the door of a group of nations without settling the above basic with one of its prominent mebers.

    • marija

      I fully agree with you.

    • SomePerson

      Turkey thinks of its former territories in Europe as Christian Turks. Basically the countries around Turkey and all the way to Central Europe are considered by Turks as Turks, but with Christian belief.

      The Ottoman Turks included many South-Eastern and Central European countries into their territories and they see them as their cultural heritage in Europe and as a breakaway provinces who bring the heritage of the Ottoman Empire in Europe.

      http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ottoman_Empire

      http://www.bbc.co.uk/religion/religions/islam/history/ottomanempire_1.shtml

      According to the BBC these are countries that have been part of the Ottoman Empire:

      Turkey
      Egypt
      Greece
      Bulgaria
      Romania
      Macedonia
      Hungary
      Palestine
      Jordan
      Lebanon
      Syria
      Parts of Arabia
      Much of the coastal strip of North Africa

  12. Sara Connor

    that’s not the question. WHO WRITE THOSE THINGS?! the question is: which country will be the first in leaving the UE? let me guess: the one who wrote that lives in the north. and under 20, europe is nearly not able to suport the countries that there’re now!

  13. Andrew Lally

    This is imperial overstretch and the EU shall implode WITHOUT a Marshall Plan II borne by all member states.

  14. Станислав Малчев

    I could say none. Serbia isn’t prepared – the present reforms doesn’t matter anything while the state is living with the nationalism and chauvinism. We do not need a friend that will look as the development and the geo-politics in the region are like a competition.
    Turkey shows its Pax-Ottoman ambitious too.
    At all this region needs more years of social development. Croatia is welcomed, and now are part of EU. May be Bosnia would be prepared soon enough. But the others… So, NONE! :) Sorry, if some1 doesn’t like the truth!

    • HT

      Montenegro should join.

  15. Paul X

    Any country that can bring something to Europe instead of sponging off my taxes…

  16. Ana Georgieva

    I hope our slavery will end one day and all of us here on the Balkans together with the rest of Eastern Europe will make an Eastern European Union. A union that will live and co-operate with the rest of the whole World not for the sake of some nations, and this will happen, when the West and Turkey stop interfering here and tormenting us.

  17. Stanislav Malchev

    I could say none. Serbia isn’t prepared – the present reforms doesn’t matter anything while the state is living with the nationalism and chauvinism. We do not need a friend that will look as the development and the geo-politics in the region are like a competition.
    Turkey shows its Pax-Ottoman ambitious too.
    At all this region needs more years of social development. Croatia is welcomed, and now are part of EU. May be Bosnia would be prepared soon enough. But the others… So, NONE! Sorry, if some1 doesn’t like the truth

    • SRB

      wait wait! Serbia is not prepared for EU,but Bulgaria is prepared.I think that EU need to kick out Bulgaria with Romania,because you are not nothing better then Serbia,or Macedonia.

    • Z4

      But your Bulgaria is prepared for EU?? Sorry,but Serbian economy is much better than Bulgarian,if we talk about coruption,Bulgaria and Romania is so big problem for EU.Turkey has Ottoman abitious???You need to read more…

    • Stanislav Malchev

      See? You think you’re the best around, but it was never the truth. It’s just in your logic all the time. Check here: https://www.wolframalpha.com/input/?i=gdp+serbia+vs.+bulgaria
      Where do you see this better Serbian economy? On the corrupt and controlled Serbian TVs?
      The Foreign minister of Turkey, officially speaks about that. Stop watching and reading the sources you’re using. http://www.rieas.gr/research-areas/global-issues/greek-studies-gr/1672-turkey-as-a-regional-power-neo-ottomanism-in-action.html

      And,by the way, some arabe state want to build the biggest mosque in Serbia, aren’t I right?

    • SRB

      Come on,stop with that GDP,you know,i have lot of bulgarain friends,great people and they need to escape from Bulgaria,because salaries is around 150 e per month.I was lot of times in Bulgaria,and i can say that Serbia looks more europen than Bulgaria,sorry but that is a truth.The biggest mosque is lie,and please dont think that Bulgaria is something important in EU,and nobody will ask Bulgaria or Croatia for Serbian entrance in EU.

    • SRB

      Mihail you are totaly right,and im not f***** proud,im just normal citizen,with same problems like bulgarians,greeks have.And we need to support each other,not to degrade.

    • SRB

      Please,it was one movie,and i cant comment art and artist.I dont know why Bulgarians thinks that we are kings,or that we have behavior like kings,so weird.People form Serbia adore Greek nation,also we love Macedonians,we lost confidence in Bulgaria(from historical wiews),but Bulgarians for us is not enemies,or something like that.p.s one my bulgarian friend know by heart all movie ,,black cat,white cat,, and that is one of favorites movies of her.

    • anastasis ven

      Bulgaria and Romania consist the borders of Europe and they have a respective population. They couldn’t miss the EU family! Sure, Serbia and Ukraine will be the next ones to join! It will need a lot of years for Kosovo, Bosnia, FYROM, Albania to make the reforms and for us the European to accept the first Muslim countries in the Union. Nothing personal about Muslims, its just religion after all but it definitely forms another type of society with less freedom etc… I guess its not random that all of them are the most backward countries in the European territory.

    • SRB

      Mr Todorov,with this sentence i will close this conversation,im so sad when i see sentence from Bulgarians ,,we are sick nation,goverment,, or something like that,anyway,you need to read more,not to watch just television,and to hate everything from Serbia.I had also prejudices about Bulgarians,and i started to read more,i started to dance in bulgarian folkor,rchenica,and i got rid of my fears.In political wiew,we expected from Bulgaria to recognize Kosovo,because Bulgarian politics always was against Serbia(so sad,because i think that we need to be like brothers),but we didnt expect from FYR of Macedonia,but if you ask Macedonians,not Albanians,they NEVER want Kosovo like independent country.My country and my people from Kosovo lost homes,liberty,everything,because of propaganda which you believe,we had NATO bombing 80 days,,humanitarian bombing,,and lot of airplanes which bombing me and my country erupted from your country,you dont have to understand me and my people.Finally,i think EU is for everybody and for every country,greetings for good people,,nazdrave priateli,,!

    • SRB

      I will be brother with every person whom i want,i will never ask you for it,anyway,dont think that i hate ex YU countries,we had the most beautiful country in the world.Dont put all people in same pole,you cant say ohh macedonians,thay must be bad,because also in your nation,you can find BAD and GOOD persons.Please dont hate,because thats not good.For minority of Bulgarians,i didnt know that they dont have rights,they have a schools in bulgarian language,they can use bulgarian,to write bulgarian,and of course every minority need to be same like ,in this case like Serbs,but also,Turks and Gypses need to have rights in your country.You know,we live in Balkan,thats specific region,my favorite.

    • Feylep

      Mihail Todorov I have no idea why you show so much hate… You make assuptions and hate whole races based on very few facts, diplomatic relations and military.
      Like saying that greeks and cypriots are stealers- I have to say that this is the first time I hear this charactirization about us, and of course I say it false. What exactly has been stolen from you by Greeks?
      I could rant on about the behavior of Bulgarians in my country, but you see I regognise that sometimes you just come across the wrong people.
      I had no idea Bulgarians feel this way about FYROM… Here we have no idea how to call them actually as you can probably imagine :P I learned very recently about your relations with this country, and it is truly a shame- you should be like brothers,like us with Cyprus.
      Plus don’t be so hard on Serbia.. They have gone through a lot and been blamed exclusively, so that their bombing could be justified. Don’t think for a minute that Croatians,Bosnians and Albanians were Mother Teresas.. And generally the Serbians are genually nice people once you get to know them. We indeed are very close as countries, as SRB stated.
      Anyway, I hope I don’t show hate through this comment- we need to respect and love every nation. Only this way we’ll make each other stronger.
      Just don’t hate/love based on facts like these. Do you think your average Serbian/Greek/Albanian/Croatian/whatever wanted Bulgaria/FYROM relations to go this bad? They probably didn’t even have a say in it.
      Greetings!

  18. Patrick

    no one, in this momment.
    ps: kosovo is not an independent state, first it’s not a state, second it’s not independent, it lives with EU money.

  19. Duirmuid Mac Sean

    I think that they should join. But we need to make the governance structures of the EU more transparent and understandable to the citizen.

  20. Nikol

    The EU should first settle the financial and political chaos in its internal affairs , and then open the doors to new tenants . Otherwise it makes no sense … In the present circumstances , the benefits that may accrue to a country from joining , in no case are compensated by the obligations and restrictions associated through this integration . In other words , the EU accession of a country limits the scope of its political and economic choices , without the corresponding benefit …… I wonder how the citizens of these countries do not see it ….. If they expect to find unity, togetherness and solidarity, they are dreaming in vain….This is just a big INC. and in a maladministration. But their opinion is never asked of course !!!!

    • George Yiannitsiotis, PhD

      I totally agree!

  21. Catalin Vasile

    Serbia should deal in a civilized way the problem of ethnic minorities, for it is harassing the Roumanians in Timoc and imposes them the name of Walachs claiming they have other identity! People are beaten, priests are opressed, babies get Serbian names…No to a fascist state!And they wonder why Albanians in Kosovo chose a different path! Island would be better off away from E.U.S.S.R.!

    • Z4

      Thats not truth,in Timok you can find Vlachs,not Walachs or some other ethnic minority.They have rights,but please you need to know Vlachs is not the same like Romanians,ok?What about hungarians in your country??what about rights for Hungarians??I believe that Hungarians from Romania will find different path like Albanians on Kosovo.

  22. Alba Longa

    Albania definitely. Kosovo and Serbia have unresolved border issues and so does Macedonia. Turkey is a whole other story and there is not enough political appetite for it. Albania on the other hand is homogeneous – no ethnic or religious divides, small enough market to be easily absorbed & very EU friendly.

    • Fabi

      I completely agree with you. Albania must be one of the next country to be suggested to enter in EU. But, they need a little bit more time, in order to show more stable policy from the part of government. My opinion is that the major part of the population are ready to do a step forward …

    • dvallance

      In the scheme of things it’s not that important it would actually be the smallest member state by population, I’m not sure that it would be fair for 300K people to have a veto in 485 million people that being said the other micro states haven’t used the veto to my knowledge (Malta and Luxembourg).

  23. Erol Šehu

    I disagree with most of the things you said. Firstly, if Serbia wants to become a new member state, it will have to recognize Kosovo as an independent state. That is de facto stated in the Brussels agreement. Secondly, it is in the interest of both Serbia and Kosovo to move forward in the EU membership, and also for Croatia. Especially for Bosnia and Herzegovina. You need to look at the Balkans as on a entangled puzzle, if one peace is missing, the puzzle is not complete. ;)

    • VUK

      I’m shocked by your comment. You need to visit a doctor; you have a temperature and one kind of sickness, and that is “nationalism”.

    • SRB

      luckily,nobody will ask you for your opinion.

  24. Kirsten Elvers

    Ukraine, definitely – and I am speaking for a whole network of young Europeans from both EU Member States and Non-Member States. The EU relations with the Ukraine offer substantial benefits to both sides: http://tinyurl.com/py4g8pd

  25. Dr. Adam Spencer

    I would welcome Iceland and Norway, and Scotland should a fresh application be required although I am not sure how current EU citizens can be excluded from the EU just because they exercise a democratic choice to be a seperate country. Other than that, no more. Focus on integration and a more federal structure rather than admit new members.

    • HT

      Haha, in the case Russia would join to Europe, or Europe would join to Russia :)

  26. Panos Mentesidis

    if the EU matures then it can accept new countries…Serbia needs to join! if we play our cards right, Serbia, Bulgaria, Romania and Greece can create a mini union within the EU and put pressure on the Franco-Germans…Spain and Italy are not interested in forming a mini union with Greece so our only option is to try it out with our balkan neighbours. I dont care about Turkey and Iceland or Norway.

    • HT

      We (Hungary) also have a “mini union” with Poland, Slovakia, Czech Rep. called Visegrád. Maybe it would also benefitting for your countries as well.

  27. Nikolaos Sotirelis

    Dear Melina Pappa (on the top), so did EU with Crimea! So does Albania with Northern Kosovo. That what double tongue is about!

  28. Blaz Medo Caracola Trombito Bostjancic

    serbia is not ready yet. i am against any further enlargement untill new countries consolidate their inner affairs. we should not provoke norther xenofobia. serbs need to show they meet all standards. for serbia and montenegro a big no!

  29. Pedro Redondeiro

    And the EU still has a long geographic path to grow, but you already know that! I am very intersting to know till where the EU is going to extend, because right is obvious its ambitions towadrs eastern europe and eats asian countries, like israel, pelstine and so on! Oh and also the northern part of africa, like algeria for example! The EU is an empire on the rise, however in contrast with previous empires, it is a paceful and soft power empire, in the way that it has now the biggest soft power in the world, accompanied by a very strong economy! The EU is nowadays considered the 1st ever WORLD ECONOMIC SUPERPOWER, since the EU has made a name through peace keeping processes and through prosperity, not by force, and this is indeed nobel peace proze worthy, oh wait but it already won it, back in 2012! ;) Long live the EU and future USE (United States of Europe)!!!! :D Create the largest and the most peaceful and culturally rich econmic superpower empire in all the history of mankind, Yes we can do it! Act react impact, a new era begins and the sky is the limit!

    • George Yiannitsiotis, PhD

      “The EU is nowadays considered the 1st ever WORLD ECONOMIC SUPERPOWER”….
      Thanks a lot Pedro for it! You made my day!!!
      (a superpower without strong military capability is not a superpower; the Ukrainian crisis will show a lot on “EU-economic superpower”)

    • Pedro Pereira

      @George Yiannitsiotis, PhD
      Really that was all you took from what Pedro Redondeiro said? I’m with Pedro on this one, Europe could be an example of a superpower like the world as never seen before. There’s a lot to be done but the euro-sceptics aren’t helping at all at creating a more democratic and overall better Europe. People must realize that this dream takes time to build because there is 28 countrys that need to move together. We have to fight for the Europe we believe in not just saying “Oh, now we have a world crysis so I’m scared and we should just destroy the UE project because I’m more worried with my well being today than the world we could live in in a few years”. Remember money comes and goes, this project could last forever.

    • Tarquin Farquhar

      @Pedro Redondeiro
      USE?

      How about E-FUC – European Federal Union of Countries?

      Much more apt methinks!

    • George Yiannitsiotis

      More democratic?
      How, when the EU/ECB/IMF gang violated the Constitutional order of the Hellenic Republic in order to rescue the German and French banks to the detriment of the peoples of Europe (not only the citizens of the Hellenic Republic that are considered debt-slaves by the EU elite.
      More secure?
      At least not offering such CREDIBLE guarantees for the Hellenic Republic. When “EU territory” came under foreign military occupation (Ymia rock-islands, Jan.30-31, 1996) the EU was totally absent, leaving the real master of the game (the USA) to de-escalate the crisis and return the islands to Greece.
      More welfare?
      The Troica regime imposed to us for the shake of the international usurers gang (IMF/ECB/4th Reich) resulted to the deterioration of social insurance, public health as well as salaries and employment.
      Europe is only in our dreams and in order to materialize our dreams we must get rid of the West European Usurers Corporation that threatens (to the benefit of the 4th Reich only) the very existence of a confederal or federal Union of EQUAL member-states.

  30. Vaggelis Dimo

    I believe that Albania should enter the EU because is a part of the continet. Many Albanias live around the countries like Greece, Austria, Italy etc. I hope the responsible authorities to take into acount the membership of Albania.

    • Feylep

      And so do Serbia, Bosnia, Ukraine, Fyrom, etc It’s not just the borders that matter so that a country will be a member…
      Personally I want Albania to be part, but only when it makes the living conditions of the people there better

  31. zix

    I dont think Kosovo will happen, but this should be on table.

  32. Borislav Valkov

    Macedonia has historical problems with Bulgaria. Mainly there are historical events and historical people whose origin is under unresolved dispute. Also they have some interest in acqusition of bulgarian soveren lands(which I believe is NON legal because we have a peace treaty after the WWII which is recognizing our current borders). That is why EU shoud monitor our neighborhood(and resolve any problems) when we speak about EU integration.

  33. Jovan Ivosevic

    Sadly, I think many of the comment here answered this question filtered through their national prejudices rather than what is really going on with he accession process. Personally, I think had the German SPD formed a red-red-green government, Serbia would have had a very smooth sailing through the integration process, but since they still left Merkel in charge, it will be thornier and slower but it will happen for one simple reason.

    First and foremost, add whatever is left of Ex-Yugoslavia that isn’t in the EU and it’s not even a third of Ukraine in terms of population, plus its people are wealthier (Serbia and Montenegro arre both higher than Bulgaria in terms of purchasing power according and Montenegro slightly above while Serbia slightly below Romania) So in terms of expense, it will not be that consequential. Second, and this is most important, the one thing Europeans don’t want to do is supervise another Balkan war and accept a flood of refugees. With Croatia and Slovenia in, and the Muslims in Bosnia having intensified recently to seek a revision of the Bosnian constitution to become a centralist state, Serbia is seen as key to prevent the Bosnian Serbs from declaring independence and seek a solution within the confines of Bosnia’s territorial integrity. Serbia has absolutely no incentive to do that at all because it is unpopular…. unless of course EU membership is the prize at the end of that line.

    Montenegro is proceeding smoothly, its only problem being that the government is very corrupt even by Balkan standards and the country has been flooded with Russian mob money. The EU will only green light them when they see that Milo Djukanovic is beginning to loosen his grip on this mafia style rule, which seems to be occurring, although not due to an attack from his Pro-Serbian opposition (although that has had an effect) but discord within the ranks of his own so called “pro-sovereign” bloc which supported independence from Serbia. Of late, two political parties have formed which compete for that bloc of voters and which are eating away at the ruling party’s support

    Kosovo is NOT going to be an issue anymore. Like or hate the Germans, one thing you can count on is when they give their word, they will keep it. Berlin asked us to sign a “normalization” treaty with the Kosovo government so we can figure out and discuss day to day issues but stops short of internationally recognizing Kosovo and in exchange for doing that, we could continue negotiating for EU accession. Serbia signed this treaty, the government that negotiated this treaty just went to early election and the governing parties got a 2/3 majority in Parliament (meaning no negative fallout from it) while the last party in Parliament which was against EU membership came in below 5% and under its electoral law was awarded no seats. As I said, the CDU is going to agree to let Serbia in because without it, they know we will turn to Russia, sign the CSTO which will bring Russian troops in the Balkans and turn this into a much more uncomfortable situation. So letting Serbia into the EU is a cheaper way to solve that problem. The SPD would do the same only faster and more enthusiastically. And Moscow is all in favor of this arrangement because outside the EU, Serbia is another friendly state that will need to be propped up because it would be isolated from its neighbors economically. Inside the EU, Serbia is a country that like all others will wield a national veto on foreign policy decisions. Russia would love nothing more than to have an ambassador on the Council who could represent is position the way Serbia would.

    • George Yiannitsiotis, PhD

      Like or hate the Germans, one thing you can count on is when they give their word, they will keep it.
      Don’t be sure Jovan! You forgot the key player in the region (the USA).-

  34. Marcel

    I’d be in favor of removing any country east of the old ‘Iron Curtain’.

    Do these people seriously think we’re gonna let all of them sponge off our money?

    And ideally, those bordering the Mediterranean should also be out.

  35. Stoyan Stoyanov

    Serbia has a long way before even getting close to EU. It has issues with its ethnic minorities, issues with Kosovo, but the biggest one is the economy. Serbia has almost one third of its labor force working in public sector. 60% of the government sendings goes to pensions and social payments. Unemployment is almost 20 %, budget deficit is about 8% and it’s getting worse each year. GDP per capita is 30% lower even than the poorest EU members Romania and Bulgaria.

  36. Hrvoje

    For my opinion I think that Montenegro will be 1st next country who will enjoy in EU, and that will be around 2021 – 2022. Then probably together Macedonia, Serbia, and maybe Albania around 2027 – 2028. Bosnia, and Kosovo, same as Moldova and Ukraine probably won’t be member, if they ever been candidate, of EU earlier then 2030 – 2035. Turkey, won’t be part of EU, same as Belarus, Russia, and Caucasian countries.

  37. Jovan Ivosevic

    Stoyan, Serbia’s purchasing power is above that of Bulgaria. Don’t believe me, check out the study I linked below towards the bottom of the page. I agree Serbia has reforms to undertake, but it is merely a matter of implementing the Acquis, as the question of Kosovo and handing over people accused of war crimes has been successfully resolved. I expect membership to be offered in the second half of Germany’s next government, so sometime between 2019 and 2021. http://www.gfk.com/news-and-events/press-room/press-releases/Pages/purchasing-power-europe-2013-14.aspx

    • Stanislav Malchev

      Serbian economy it’s just not o.k. This study has nothing to the reality. The GDP per capita, in euro, can’t be taken just from by currency… I don’t have anything against Serbia personally. Check the unemployment rate and the real economical growth. It’s in minus and it keeps going down. Check the graphic.

    • SRB

      But Stanislav,i cant understood that you talking about Serbia from Bulgarian wiew,from wiew of one country with completly same economic problems.Firstly your country has big peoblem with economy like my country,and you dont have credibility to say,oohh Serbia is not prepared jet,if you ask some German,or some British,they still thinking that Bulgaria joined so early to EU,i think that EU is for everybody.

  38. Kris Babůrek

    Would Germany be ready if boys from thirties and early forties were again in power in 1960s?

  39. Vesselin Alexiev

    I think before we start talking about bringing more countries in the EU, the Union has to focus on bringing equality to the economic conditions to the table. The former Eastern Block countries which got accepted into the EU, still have a lot to catch up on economically, before we can think about expanding.

  40. Vesselin Alexiev

    Nonetheless, I think the EU should work to form closer relations with FYROM, Serbia and the Western Balkans, along with Turkey in order to prepare them for entering the EU in the near future.

  41. catherine benning

    After reading through this lot I understand why so many Brits want out of this union. They will suck us dry if we go on with this. All those that want to join this club are states wanting to eat off our plate, not offer any support to the union. Why have we got such a low opinion of ourselves that our leaders feel only those who are needy will want to join? Sounds like a girl with low esteem who can’t see herself as worth an aristocratic title. I suppose if they think we look like Baronesses that flaunt their faces with a grin, I can see their point.

    I go along with Vesselin Alexiev, once all the union states in the union now are on a financial par, then expansion is a proposition. Presently we are not able to admit any more, unless they can come to the table with equal standards across the board of the big three who pay most to keep this show on the road.

    Why does the EU not make it a prerequisite that any state must be financially up to the standard of the northern sector before than can apply?

    • Paul X

      I totally agree with you Catherine

      There was a topic on here a while ago about Albania joining the EU. I had the cheek to ask the simple question of just how allowing Albania to join would benefit me personally as a EU taxpayer

      The reply……
      “Minister Bushati argued that Albanian membership would bring stability and prosperity to Europe, as well as greater credibility for the EU in the interntational arena”

      Have you ever heard such a crock of sh!te?

      Stability and prosperity? I don’t see Albania bring much to the EU table, for prosperity I would read dependance, and as for “credibility” just who is bothered what the international arena thinks of the EU?…. except the EU political elite who want to play big boys on the world stage that is

      These “ministers” really need to come down and visit planet earth occasionally

    • George Yiannitsiotis

      1. The EU had such prerequisites in the 1970s. However, they understood that should they had rest on them, they wouldn’t have expanded the “european economic community” (namely, european market). Therefore, they changed course and admitted Greece (1981), Portugal and Spain (1986) as well as Austria and Finland (1995) the latter in breach of their cold war neutrality.
      2. The problem was raised when the EU (in particular, Germany) pushed hard for the admittance of countries like Poland, Czechoslovakia, Hungary and its former WW II allies in the Balkans (Slovenia, Croatia, Romania and Bulgaria). In strict economic terms, only the Republic of Cyprus and Malta met the criteria of the 1970s.
      In order to proceed with its hidden neo-nazionalist agenda, the 4th Reich, accepted the manipulation of Greek economic data (“Greek statistics”) in the EMU process, realising that should Greece had not joined the Eurozone, the Balkans (with the exception of Slovenia only) would have remained a USD zone. Greece’s participation in the EMU was the key to German infiltration in the Balkans along with the dissolution of Yugoslavia that offered to the USA military presence northern of Greece for the first time in history.
      Now, Germany faces what we call in Strategic Studies its culminating point of success: it overstressed its political-economic influence to spheres beyond endurance (Ukraine, Eastern Mediterranean, the Balkans), risking to lose every gain under the coverage of the so-called “European Union”. The USA fires back engaging to a low-cost for themselves, bra-de-fers with Russia over Ukraine that will stage a kind of “cold war” affecting primarily Germany and the eurozone; Germany won’t be able to avert the dissolution of the eurozone as soon as the USA decides to regain monetary control over the Balkans (Greece still remains the key as well as the weaker ring of the euro-chain) and France, the UK, Italy and the Iberian peninsula may shift to a more “atlantic” (namely, pro-US) than “European” (namely, yielding to the German-led emerging empire) path. Too many water-mellons under one’s armpit! The German economic-political elite must think of it!

  42. Trond Johannessen

    Erdogan with his recent censorship play has clearly established my point that Turkey is incompatible with Europe. We need internal cohesion in a Union that is already suffering under increasing polarization, and Turkey is an Islamic state. The cultural gap is total.

    We do not need to expand, the EU, but to build and deliver on mutual promises. Federation-building is not an imperialist game on the net, but hard work. We have gotten a lot of things right, but too many pieces are not in place. If we cannot get a fiscal union in place, we will have failed. Our efforts need to focus on building Citizen confidence in the Union and certainly in the common currency. This is not a propaganda exercise, but must be executed through deliverables. Jobs, tax alignments, and also some further work to share risks and burdens.

    • Faruk sayokanoglu

      Actually you like erdoğan because he gives you greedy europeans that reason to ged rid off Turkey, We are waiting in front fo EU for 20 years, and before ERdoğan, you were always have an excuses about our membership. Even we resolved the problem about cyprus, about armenian issue, even we let kurdistan established you wont let us to enter, just be honest. You mighty Europeans warns Turkey every chance you had about “human rights” “media cencorship” etc. But 5 may 2014, you lifted visas for United Arab Emirates, which is practice sharia law.

      is UAE aggree with your democracy standarts? Or your mighty union is just sinking ship so to boost your economy, you are crawling to get some help. İ bet EU put stoning for adultery to it’s law if saudi sheikhs gives you billions of oil money, you hypocrists.

  43. David Fuzzey

    Why would Iceland join??..lol.. They were smart enough to stop talks….Hope we leave too , the sooner the better.

  44. Nikos

    I believe Serbia should be the next EU member-state.

  45. João Frazão

    I really find quite funny how EU leaders (aka Merkel) are always shouting to «keep your domestics in order» to the PIGS, whilst Europe, as a whole, doesn’t seem to really absorb the quintessential lesson of this dogma: keep your house in order. Currently, this exactly year, only 10 countries contributed to the European pocket money, with Poland gaining the total part of Germany’s contribution (and we all know it’s, by far, the biggest). I really suggest that firstly, we should solve the structural problems inherent to the UE, with a dramatic fraction with North South economic incomes. For now, we should concentrate on expand our economy, answer to the Spanish and Italian crises, which could be lethal to the union given the fact that they are the 2nd and 3rd biggest economies within the continent. The whole monetary union is made to collapse if it keeps like currently is (without fiscal unions and etc.). The only country we should be willing to accept would be Iceland, Scotland if they get rid of London, Norway (which would be Brussels dream, obviously) and, perhaps if possible, Greenland (I don’t really know if they can count as a candidate but it is meant to grow the next decades).
    Excluding this set, we could invest (in Balkans, surely) but keep a healthy distance while not managing our domestic’s order. If this irradiation of soft power and the emergence of UE as a global superpower are Brussels purposes, then we should also keep an eye and be open to idea of maybe a future Turkey and Ukraine getting in, although they need to solve firstly all those human rights issues and Copenhagen criteria standards (and, please, with nice ties to Moscow). Now, for the moment, let’s enjoy what the EU represented, an opportunity for growth, and the whole discussion over Kosovo, Serbia and all that Balkan puzzle should be pursued in a time where Poland, Czech Republic, Hungary and the wide list of East brothers, specially Warsaw. Until then, let’s try to keep everyone in the house so this doesn’t mess any more than already is. The whole franco­german axis should now be ready to give some further actions to UE whilst trying to keep economic pace within global order.

    • Tarquin Farquhar

      @João Frazão
      WRONG!!

      In continental Europe Italy has the 3rd biggest economy and Spain the 4th biggest economy.

  46. eusebio manuel vestias pecurto

    A UE não precisa de novos estados a UE precisa de paz sustentável e estabilidade politica na União Europeia

  47. Άρης

    I believe that the first member of the E.U. should be Serbia. Serbia has an emerging market economy in upper-middle income range. According to the International Monetary Fund, Serbia’s exports recorded a steady growth in last couple of years reaching $14.6 billion in 2013. In addition, since 2000, Serbia has attracted over $25 billion in foreign direct investment. Blue-chip corporations making investments in Serbia include: FIAT, Siemens, Bosch, Philip Morris, Michelin, Coca-Cola, Carlsberg and others. In the financial aspect, Serbia is a good choice.

  48. Paul X

    @Zeus

    Yes Albania is a poor country and I have sympathy for those who live there, but giving sympathy and my hard earned money are two different things

    You consider the question “nasty” but I say it is a perfectly reasonable question for people who’s taxes contribute to the EU budget to ask ….

    What is in it for us allowing poorer countries to join?

    The usual party line is that it “opens up the market for exports to that country” well excuse me if I sound cynical but I do not see increased exports of Land Rovers and Jaguars to Albania just because they are allowed to join the EU

    Basically the Euro-elite have expansionist ambitions and they are luring in the poorer countries with promises of handouts and subsidies….paid for by my taxes…so I’m entitled to raise questions like this

  49. Lupco

    Having accepted every concession request by the EU , BARR the changing of its CONSTITUTIONAL NAME , the REPUBLIC of MACEDONIA should NOW be UNCONDITIONALLY accepted post haste , as it has bent over backwards , created a multicultural PARLIAMENT ( not just community ) but a PISS POOR enforcement whereby i am SURE the GREEKS WILL NOT ACCEPT the OHRID PREAMBLE as neither would FRANCE accept that should a municipality have greater than 20% ethnic minority they get rights above & beyond the logical &acceptable to the indigenous majority

  50. Vladi

    никой не трябва да се присъедини за сега. Турция не трябва да влиза в ЕС, Македония също.

    nobody should join now. Turkey should join the EU, Macedonia also

  51. Jos van Dijk

    Iceland and Norway if they want, and Switzerland. These countries have already many relations with the EU. It’s not good that they stay outside and have nothing to say about the future of Europe.

  52. Daltese

    I would be happy to see #Serbia join the Union.

  53. Marc F

    None until social and tax regulation are made homogeneous in current Europe. We cannot have an “economic only” view of Europe.
    Some pragmatic aspects also need to be solved for citizens. As an example you cannot pay for a train ticket with another country credit card at automatic machines in Netherlands.

    • Paul X

      It all boils down to economics

      Following the example you give, all the EU will do is draft up some directive to make commonality between ticket buying machines throughout Europe.

      It will fall on the member countries to foot the bill for actually carrying out whatever is required, the fact many countries will have more important national issues to fund will not bother the EU…………. and to add insult to injury it would probably fine any member country that fails to comply with its directive within a given timescale

      Essentially, the EU likes nothing better than spending other peoples money…….

    • Tarquin Farquhar

      @Paul X
      I agree with your ticketing machine example.

      The only thing I would add is that whatever ‘standard’ is chosen by the EU for said ticketing machines, rest assured some big business will have secretly ‘influenced’ proceedings. Nudge, nudge, wink, wink.

  54. Together-We-Stand

    1-Scotland
    2-Iceland
    3-Montenegro

  55. goesbyanyothername

    Iceland, the rest of the Balkans, Turkey (if they meet the criteria that is) and Georgia :)

  56. ironworker

    From a strategic/military/economic point my bet is on Moldova and maybe Georgia (not so sure though), but I also don’t want to cut in line and put Serbia next. Moldova and Georgia are adjacent to gas/oil pipelines, Serbia in the other hand, has almost everything what it takes to become a full EU member. Both add-ons are a gain for Europe as a whole.

  57. Giuseppe

    Next countries to join should be Serbia and Montenegro together. The are by far the most advanced countries in the bid for the EU. It is not for now however, it should take at least 5-6 years before the close their chapter.
    I do not think Kosovo should be an issue. The EU cannot impose recognition as a condition for accession since 5 EU member still do not recognize it! So it makes no sense for now. As for Serbia (but also for Montenegro) I would be more worried about the return of some kind of soft authoritarian power after new elections.

  58. Limbidis Arian

    Here’s a neat idea, how about we drop all this anti-russian disenssion and…invite RUSSIA into the EU.
    From the Atlantic to the Pacific…NOW THAT would be one hell of an union.
    And we wouldn’t have to worry about “evul russians”. We wouldn’t need to bow to Washington either anymore.

    I am serious.
    Russia, Ukraine next on the joining list plz.

  59. Max

    No state/country should join the EU in the coming periods, in past months it has been proven that EU states, such as Greece and Spain, can be a big danger to the overall stability of Europe. The EU as it is now has enough issues that it needs to solve, more countries in the EU would only add up to more issues for all the states.

    If a state had to be chosen to join the EU, I would say Russia and Ukraine if they are in a union together it would cause less problems for both. It will make it easier for the EU to talk with Russia, it would also possibly help the relation between Russia and the USA because a lot of members in the EU are also in the NATO.

  60. Taiwo

    Or which country should be kicked out of the EU instead?……..It should be Bulgaria who has refused to grow up!!!

    • Limbidis Arian

      Define “grow-up”, buddy <.<

  61. Taiwo

    Non from the Balkans because of Bulgaria who remained the only baby in the EU!!!

    • Limbidis Arian

      I am romanian and you should shut your mouth about Bulgaria, buddy.
      This is like the 3rd comment against them, what the hell !

  62. Tarquin Farquhar

    @Catherine Benning
    Some interesting points particularly regarding UNUM and the contribution of French words to the English language.

    The French language and indeed France per se is a derivative culture founded by the greatest European nation of all time viz. Italy.

    Britain on the other hand is an acquisitive culture reflected NOT just in its vocabulary (containing words originating from Old English, Norse, French, Roman, German/Saxon as well as Indian, African, Chinese etc etc) but in its food, its music and its genes.

    PS: It is evident you are NOT familiar with the term ‘oxymoron’ – a tad moronic on your part methinks. :)

    • George Yiannitsiotis

      Obviously, you are unaware of the fact that root language and alphabet to all “European languages” is the Greek followed by the Latin. Xenophon Zolotas, Governor of the Bank of Greece, addressed the General Assemply of the International Bank for Reconstruction & Development (now World Bank) in 1957 and 1959 using only Greek words. Here is the Sept 26, 1957 speech:
      “I always wished to address this Assembly in Greek, but realized that it would have been indeed “Greek” to all present in this room. I found out, however, that I could make my address in Greek which would still be English to everybody. With your permission, Mr. Chairman, l shall do it now, using with the exception of articles and prepositions, only Greek words.

      “Kyrie, I eulogize the archons of the Panethnic Numismatic Thesaurus and the Ecumenical Trapeza for the orthodoxy of their axioms, methods and policies, although there is an episode of cacophony of the Trapeza with Hellas. With enthusiasm we dialogue and synagonize at the synods of our didymous organizations in which polymorphous economic ideas and dogmas are analyzed and synthesized. Our critical problems such as the numismatic plethora generate some agony and melancholy. This phenomenon is characteristic of our epoch. But, to my thesis, we have the dynamism to program therapeutic practices as a prophylaxis from chaos and catastrophe. In parallel, a Panethnic unhypocritical economic synergy and harmonization in a democratic climate is basic. I apologize for my eccentric monologue. I emphasize my euharistia to you, Kyrie to the eugenic arid generous American Ethnos and to the organizes and protagonists of his Amphictyony and the gastronomic symposia”.

    • George Yiannitsiotis

      And the Oct. 2, 1959 speech:
      Kyrie, it is Zeus’ anathema on our epoch (for the dynamism of our economies) and the heresy of our economic method and policies that we should agonize the Skylla of nomismatic plethora and the Charybdis of economic anaemia. It is not my idiosyncracy to be ironic or sarcastic but my diagnosis would be that politicians are rather cryptoplethorists. Although they emphatically stigmatize nomismatic plethora, they energize it through their tactics and practices. Our policies should be based more on economic and less on political criteria. Our gnomon has to be a metron between economic,strategic and philanthropic scopes. Political magic has always been anti-economic. In an epoch characterized by monopolies, oligopolies, monopolistic antagonism and polymorphous inelasticities, our policies have to be more orthological, but this should not be metamorphosed into plethorophobia, which is endemic among academic economists. Nomismatic symmetry should not antagonize economic acme. A greater harmonization between the practices of the economic and nomismatic archons is basic. Parallel to this,we have to synchronize and harmonize more and more our economic and nomismatic policies panethnically. These scopes are more practicable now, when the prognostics of the political and economic barometer are halcyonic. The history of our didimus organization on this sphere has been didactic and their gnostic practices will always be a tonic to the polyonymous and idiomorphous ethnical economies. The genesis of the programmed organization will dynamize these policies. Therefore, i sympathize, although not without criticism one or two themes with the apostles and the hierarchy of our organs in their zeal to program orthodox economic and nomismatic policies, although I have some logomachy with them.I apologize for having tyranized you with my Hellenic phraseology. In my epilogue, i emphasize my eulogy to the philoxenous aytochtons of this cosmopolitan metropolis and my encomium to you, Kyrie stenographers.

    • Tarquin Farquhar

      @George Yiannitsiotis
      I concur that the Greek language had a significant influence on the English language – please refer to my “etc etc” text BTW.

      FYI, Sanskrit had a significant influence on the Greek language.

      As regards your speech – very clever BUT ALL the words you cited were in English albeit a high number of said English words had Greek origins.

    • George Yiannitsiotis

      @Tarquin Farquhar:
      1.The tree of European languages starts from Greek and its daughter Latin
      The Hellenic (Greek) language can be seen as a bridge to sanskrit and Indian peninsula languages (the family of the Sanskrit-origin languages incorporates Caucasian languages, also).
      Back to the tree of European Languages:
      from ancient Greek-> modern Greek
      from Latin -> Italian
      Latin+Greek (with Latin alphabet)-> Romanian
      Greek+Latin+Gothic-> French and German
      French+Latin+Greek+Arabic->Spanish and Portuguese
      Then another round of byproduct languages:
      French and German -> English
      English+German->flemish (Dutch)
      Then we do have the Slavian group that originates from Russian, based on the Cyrilic alphabet (a combination of Greek and Latin alphabets by ΚΥΡΙΛΟΣ – Kyrilos / Cyril – a Greek monk that translated the Bible to Bulgarian):
      Serbocratian, Bulgarian, Polish, Czec, Slovakian etc. belong to this group. However, due to political divisions, the Serbocroatian was split due to the fact that the Croats under the Austrian empire used the Latin alphabet for their language instead of the Cyrilic used by the Serbs (under the Ottoman rule);
      Then, we have a specific group of Mongolian languages (Hungarian, Finnish and Turkish) that do not connect to the Greek-Latin tree as well as the nordic group (Danish, Sweedish, Norwegian) and the Celtic group (Wales, Basque country) that has some in common with Greek.
      Following the tree above, the Greeks who know well ancient Greek and Latin, can easily learn French, Italian, Spanish, Portuguese, Romanian as well as German (the Grammar is copy-paste of the Ancient Greek!) and then, easily English (piece of cake!), afterwards Dutch (though problematic in verbal).

      2. The two speeches delivered by famous economist and then Bank of Greece Director I sited above, can be easily read and understood by a Greek who simply knows the Latin alphabet, without knowing English since all the words except articles and junctions are GREEK. Let’s start:
      Kyrie = ΚΥΡΙΕ (Lord, Master)
      Zeus = ΖΕΥΣ (the first and arch-God of Ancient Greek Mythology)
      anathema = ΑΝΑΘΕΜΑ (curse)
      epoch = ΕΠΟΧΗ (era, season) etc
      due to the fact that the transliteration of the Greek words in latin -french-english was done following certain rules as follows:
      Θ -> th (ΘΕΑΤΡΟ – theater)
      X – ch
      Φ -> ph (only the Spanish kept the latin phonetic equivalent letter F)
      Ξ -> x (ΞΕΝΟΦΩΝ -> Xenophon Zolotas)
      Κ -> c (thus, for instance, ΜΑΚΕΔΟΝΙΑ became Macedonia but not in the Cyrilic where it kept the k for the Greek Κappa)
      Β -> V (like the island of ancient Greek poet ΣΑΠΦΩ -> Sappho, ΛΕΣΒΟΣ -> Lesvos; from its false transliteration, the homosexual women are called lesbians, though the inhabitants of Lesvos, Lesvians)
      Ρ-> R ΡΥΘΜΟΣ rhythm
      Π -> Ρ (ΠΟΛΙTIKH -> Politics)
      ΜΠ -> b (however, the Greek word ΒΑΡΒΑΡΟΣ – Varvaros became barbarus, barbaric etc.)
      EY, AY -> eu, au
      Y -> y or u (ΤΥΠΩΝΩ – type) KYKΛΟΣ -> Cycle
      Η -> e (ΗΛΕΚΤΡON -> electron, ΗΛΕΚΤΡΑ -> Electra etc)
      ΟΙ -> e (thus ΟΙΚΟΝΟΜΙΑ became economy and ΟΙΚΟΛΟΓΙΑ -> ecology)
      Λ -> L
      Γ -> G (ΛΟΓΟΣ -> Logo)
      et.al. (numerus)
      (R.I.P. ΓΕΩΡΓΙΟΣ ΑΘ. ΓΙΑΝΝΙΤΣΙΩΤΗΣ, Linguistics Teacher, 1873-1950)

  63. George Yiannitsiotis

    And the Oct. 2, 1959 speech:
    “Kyrie, it is Zeus’ anathema on our epoch (for the dynamism of our economies) and the heresy of our economic method and policies that we should agonize the Skylla of nomismatic plethora and the Charybdis of economic anaemia. It is not my idiosyncracy to be ironic or sarcastic but my diagnosis would be that politicians are rather cryptoplethorists. Although they emphatically stigmatize nomismatic plethora, they energize it through their tactics and practices. Our policies should be based more on economic and less on political criteria. Our gnomon has to be a metron between economic,strategic and philanthropic scopes. Political magic has always been anti-economic. In an epoch characterized by monopolies, oligopolies, monopolistic antagonism and polymorphous inelasticities, our policies have to be more orthological, but this should not be metamorphosed into plethorophobia, which is endemic among academic economists. Nomismatic symmetry should not antagonize economic acme. A greater harmonization between the practices of the economic and nomismatic archons is basic. Parallel to this,we have to synchronize and harmonize more and more our economic and nomismatic policies panethnically. These scopes are more practicable now, when the prognostics of the political and economic barometer are halcyonic. The history of our didimus organization on this sphere has been didactic and their gnostic practices will always be a tonic to the polyonymous and idiomorphous ethnical economies. The genesis of the programmed organization will dynamize these policies. Therefore, i sympathize, although not without criticism one or two themes with the apostles and the hierarchy of our organs in their zeal to program orthodox economic and nomismatic policies, although I have some logomachy with them.I apologize for having tyranized you with my Hellenic phraseology. In my epilogue, i emphasize my eulogy to the philoxenous aytochtons of this cosmopolitan metropolis and my encomium to you, Kyrie stenographers.”

    Only the articles and junctions are english – the rest is GREEK!!!

  64. dvallance

    We have to be careful expanding too quickly as it could destroy the EU. The eastern additions of 2004 have managed to dilute low paid job markets. We should probably have a threshold of 85% per capita wealth for full membership of the EU average to prevent future distortions. That being said Norway, Iceland and Switzerland are manageable but seem unlikely to join anytime soon especially Norway and Switzerland. The country I definitely don’t want to join is turkey, so many reasons 1) It’s growing more corrupt each day
    2) It’s too large 77 million people would be the second largest member after Germany (would upset balance of power suddenly)
    3) It not really in Europe 99% of turkey is in Asia (we might as well call it a Eurasian Union)
    4) It would increase the EU border size and move that border next to the war torn countries of Iraq and Syria and border Iran.
    5) It currently occupies half of a member state Cyprus (which is in Asia aswell)

  65. Modis

    EU should offer Ukraine a membership straight away after the agreement is signed after the president is elected on the 25 of May .

  66. Alex

    @Ana Georgieva.There is goin to be such a thing as an east european eu–>euroasian union in 2015 with Russia,Kazakhstan,Armenia and Belarus.
    Possibly some others as Mongolia maybe

  67. Alex

    I d rather say there are some going to leave.
    There has been a survey made by infratest dimap asking the Germans how they think about western integration.The appreciation for the “West-bindung” is lower then it has ever been.Almost half of the people want to “stay in a neutral position between Russia and the west” while in eastern parts of Germany the number was over60%.

    More and more people getting mad about nato behaviour.53% of the people don t want nato to do “air policing” in the eastern countries,while only 40% want nato to increase its activities in the east.
    The survey tells that many Germans dream of beeing a “bigger switzerland”
    Congratiolations everybody,we fu***ng suck,but at least we made the first step and started to realize that.

  68. Tarquin Farquhar

    @George Yiannitsiotis
    Hmmm, a rather passionate over-involved parochial response. “English” is NOT limited to mere European inputs and European influences – its a world language that acknowledges and rejoices in its diverse heritage – that includes its Sanskrit influences; something that moulded the Greek language too and of which you seem surprisingly ignorant of. NB: Please refer to the Indo-European ‘Tree of Languages’.

    Back to the subject at hand ie what country should join the EU next.

    Ukraine [West] perhaps?

    • George Yiannitsiotis

      Correct, the Indo-European tree; However, the bridge between sanskrit and English is ancient Greek! That is what I did not make clear with my previous post.
      Back to the subject: Should one prefers war instead of peace and stability, he may drop to the garbage the Bush-Gorbatchev Agreement (1988) that led to the re-unification of Germany. Russia will NEVER accept an advanced NATO base some km from Moscow! neither the repetition of the Baltic-states senario regarding Russian speaking populations outside the Russian Federation. Division of Ukraine will be the worst for the West European Usurers Corporation (“EU”) senario: the wealth lies in the eastern and southern parts-the west is not industrially developed and can be by-passed regarding gas-pipelines easily. Therefore, incoprorating a ruined, non-viable W.Ukraine is synonym of throwing European tax-payers money to Danaides jar. Think of it!

  69. Krystian Zdrojewski

    Montenegro would be next country to join for sure!

    San Marino,Monaco,Andorra and Liechtenstein are they planing to join EU?

  70. Livia

    Romania won’t recognize Kosovo due to ethnic tensions with the Hungarian (although it’s a fuzzy matter, historically they’re of German sorgint and have been “imported” during the Austro-Hungarian Empire) minority on it’s territory. It’s a long lasting (historical), territorially-concentrated minority and rumors that they want autonomy have been circulating.
    Sorry Kosovo, it’s not personal. We just have issues.

    • HT

      Transilvania originally used to have Hungarian majority. And actually Romanian workers have been “imported” by the Austrians to Transilvania, because the Romanians worked cheaper than Hungarians. Romanians immigrated to Transilvania, because life was better in the Kingdom of Hungary than in Wallachia or Moldova.
      Since 1920 – as Transilvania belongs to Romania – they started a forced immigration and a forced Romanization in Transilvania.
      I – as a Hungarian – accept that Transilvania is now part of Romania and I don’t want to have bad relationship with Romanians, I don’t have any problems with them. But you guys shouldn’t falsify history. You guys took Transilvania from us. Okay, we (most of us) accepted. But you can’t take our history…

  71. Tarquin Farquhar

    @George Yiannitsiotis
    Wow – your linguistic knowledge is certainly impressive BUT you seem to omit the fact that ALL European languages were heavily influenced by Indian languages such as Sanskrit.

    Remember, the European languages tree is in actuality a branch of the Indo-European languages tree.

  72. alvarobueno

    Probably, Russia should be the next candidate. Or Turkey.

  73. vasilis_koutronas

    Turkey should be the next country whichi will join the European Union. The “war” between Greece and Turkey should be stopped right now.

  74. Yvetta

    None. Europe needs to sort out its own house first before letting any new members in. I didn’t know that Croatia has joined. I am not sure this is good news for the EU. Only countries that are politically mature and stable and financially strong should join at this stage. The old members are already unhappy about financing major projects in Eastern Europe while getting nothing in return. Those countries are not able to contribute to the pot, only taking money out and that at a time when pre-existing members are struggling to survive financially.

  75. missangas

    Why don’t you try England it’s time or not ?

  76. Peter M.

    Well I think the next country to join the EU is Montenegro. A small ,mediterranean country that has population of only half a million. Actually more Montenegrins live in Belgrade than in Podgorica. Montenegro has a perspective in tourism and they are improving their infrastructure. After Montenegro Serbia and Macedonia are next. Serbia does have problems with Kosovo, but I think that the economy is a bigger problem than Kosovo. The Brussels Agreement pretty much ended long ethic conflict in Kosovo and Metohija. But Serbia has financial problems and high unemployment rate. Well, it’s not far from EU members, Spain has similar unemployment rate, and Bulgarian purchasing powers is almost the same as Serbian. Macedonia has cultural problems that can be solved easily, and I think that will happen soon. Also, ofc their economy must improve. This three countries are official candidates. I don’t think that the other two candidates will join. Iceland lost interest in EU, but they would be a perfect member. The other one, Turkey will never be a full EU member. Turkey has young population ( 25% is younger than 20 ), so that would end with mass population. Secondly Turkey shares a border with Syria, Iraq, Iran and Lebanon. That could mean ( if Turkey joins the Schengen zone) that a lot of illegal immigrants could come. After all Turkey is an Asian country. Also they have a lot of freedom isues that must be solved. After these candidate countries, Albania is the closest EU member. Albania does have lover living standard, but I think they have a lot of potentials as a Mediterranean country. I think they will join in next 10-15 years.
    Bosnia in the other hand is a failed country. It has 3 presidents, 12 prime ministers and almost 100 ministers, with the population of 3,8 million. It needs to solve a lot of ethnic, administrative, constitutional problems as well as financial and economical problems. I don’t see them as EU members in next 15 years, but we will see. Other countries like Ukraine,Georgia,Azerbaijan, Armenia, Belarus have not signed Stabilisation and Association Agreement ( SAA), yet so I think they won’t join soon.

  77. Unknown

    The EU extended the sanctions on Bulgaria and Romania more than any Eastern European country, because their case is a bit specific. The Europeans do not trust easily Bulgaria and Romania in my opinion, because of the Reputation of their Neighbors Serbia and Greece.

    In Serbia there was a war and Greece stole all the Euro funds and basically left high and dry the Euro Fund. Basically Greece cheated the EU with its money. In Serbia there was a Yugoslav war so the region brings just bad reputation. I also think this has a historical explanation as well to why the Balkan people are so wild. The same could be said to the Caucasian people from Armenia and Georgia. The Caucasus now has a partnership with the EU, but can they really join the EU.

    Only time will tell.

  78. Paul Walker

    Now I wanna make something clear here. The money that now the EU is paying is not from Germany, France, The UK, The Netherlands or Sweden.

    These money came from the MARSHALL PLAN for the restoration of Europe after World War 2.

    So basically I think that those countries should stop taking the credit for paying the Bills of Eastern Europe, because these money are actually American.

    Countries that were subsidized by THE USA GOVERNMENT in this PLAN were:

    Iceland, Norway, Sweden, Denmark, The United Kingdom of Great Britain, Ireland, France, West Germany,Austria, Portugal, Italy, Greece and Turkey.

    Countries from West Europe that DID NOT participate in this PLAN WERE:

    Spain, Finland and Cyprus

    Countries that DID NOT PARTICIPATE IN THIS PLAN from Eastern Europe are:

    Yugoslavia, Albania, Bulgaria, Romania, Hungary, Czechoslovakia, Poland, East Germany and The Soviet Union.

    That is all There Is…….

    • Paul Walker

      I forgot to mention that Belgium and Luxembourg were also included in the Marshall Restoration Plan.

      The Free territory of Trieste(Italian City), Indonesia through The Netherlands and Yugoslavia.

      Although some Articles include Yugoslavia and some Not.

      http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marshallplan (Marshall Plan in German)

      http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marshall_Plan (Marshall Plan in English)

      http://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Plan_Marshall (Marshall Plan in French)

      Check the version of the different languages. There is a difference in the material and the information provided.

    • Paul Walker

      So basically these are Uncle Sam’s money.

  79. Unknown

    Lets Check out for the past years the countries that want to become members of the EU shall we.

    First on my list is Albania – This country is recognized as a potential candidate at the moment only.

    Then we go to Bosnia-Herzegovina which is also a potential candidate as well just like Albania.

    Denmark – First time Veto from France since they were with the UK, Ireland and Norway in one package.

    Iceland – The country is on hold due to a referendum about the amount of fish which Iceland can extract from the North Sea. There is a pending referendum in Iceland on EU membership

    Ireland – Vetoed due to UK application

    Kosovo – Potential candidate. They have to solve their status with Serbia before any negotiations can begin.

    Macedonia – Official Candidate, but Greece vetoed Macedonia’s entry due to the Name issue between the two countries

    Malta – Malta’s entry was Frozen by the people, but then the referendum gave a positive answer and Malta joined the EU.

    Montenegro – The country is negotiating with the EU. Montenegro is working with the EU currency called the Euro, although the European Bank has not give any permission or approval for that.

    Morocco – Their application was rejected due to the fact that the country is not in Europe.

    Norway – First time withdrawn due to UK application. Second and Third time due to the public opinion in Norway against the EU in a referendum.

    Spain – The first time was rejected due to the European Council. They were accepted the second time.

    Serbia – The country is negotiating with the EU

    Switzerland – The country is off limits at the moment to EU integration due to public opinion. If the opinion shifts than probably Switzerland can put up an application.

    Turkey – The country is nicknamed “The Eternal Candidate” it has been 27 years since Turkey is an EU member candidate.

    United Kingdom – The country had a veto from France the first time. The UK was accepted the second time in the EU.France vetoed the UK by saying that the British do not feel European at all and they have no right to be in Europe according to Charles De Gaulle.

    • Unknown

      Excuse me for posting this 3 times, but it seems that Debating Europe does not refresh the forum very often. I also apologize for the spelling mistakes in English, but you understand what I am getting at in the text.

      Thanks

  80. Daniel Craig

    I think Turkish EU membership would be good for the EU. It will ease Germany in financial terms since Turkey’s economy is very diversified and it is supported from the United States.

    Turkey would not be a drain like Greece, Italy, Spain, Portugal and Ireland. The Turks have money. The countries that support Turkish EU membership officially are:

    - The United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland
    - The United States of America
    - Sweden

    However countries that are against Turkish EU membership are:

    - Germany
    - France
    - Greece

    Turkey is the American project for making a Secular Muslim country into a European one which would apply all the standards and requirements from the EU. Turkey is a project to see if this country can become actually European. They have to forget their past and religion and become European. Turkey can control the External borders of Europe better than: Bulgaria, Romania, Hungary, Slovakia. Poland and the Baltic States.

    In the End I would like to say that Turkey would be a great financial asset to Europe and it will bring more young population, because Europe is dying since the population of Europe is too old already.

    Not to mention the head of the Christian Orthodox Church is in Istanbul(Constantinople) and he is a Turkish citizen. He has a Turkish passport.

    • Daniel Craig

      Just for the Record

      - The Netherlands supports France, Germany and Greece against Turkish EU memebrsih

      BUT

      - Poland which is the most Pro-American nation supports Turkish EU membership.

    • Daniel Craig

      Just for the Record

      - The Netherlands supports France, Germany and Greece against Turkish EU membership

      BUT

      - Poland which is the most Pro-American nation supports Turkish EU membership.

  81. Sait Sevinc

    no fear friends;
    İstanbul population 15.000.000… Greek friends think again, they want to İstanbul, I think is Joke…may be we want to take again east thraceia.My grandfather was born Ottoman State in Batı Trakya (west thraceia) and obligated to İstanbul.more or less 10.000.000 Turks origin come from Balkans.
    I am a Turk and I don’t want to enter EU ..And mostly Turks think like me. You are right; We are a big country and big population and we have got different our history from west europeans.. We learnt , we are growing everything area . Turkey and Russia come the back! This is game and players EU, Turkey,Russia and USA. EU lost Turkey 10 years ago..we are 80.000.000 and we have got Turkic Countries (Azarbaycan,Turkmenistan,Uzbekistan, Kyrgystan,etc. and Old Ottomans area..That is enough to us..

  82. Uncle Sam

    Why are you Europeans denying FULL EU Membership for Turkey? Turkey has been a loyal NATO ally to the United States of America.

    • Yvetta

      So, get Turkey in the USA then.

  83. Turkey Turkey

    Individiually, i like Europe and its people .Mostly kind,smart and nice poeple. As a Turkish cizitizen i dont want to be a part of Europe, because my people dont deserve this.They are mostly fanatic and not open minded (%60) . + We are a muslim country, if Turkey join the europe ,sooner or later, they will try to change your minds they will want u to see as muslims. I, as a turkish citizen dont want my people ruin your minds. I worn u nice people, you may love Turkey but my people see beauty as danger or weakness. I am an atheist but cant tell this in my country because they are idiot ..

  84. UnKNownSource

    Good news for Macedonia. The International Court of Justice in The Netherlands in the city Hague said that: “Greece was wrong to block Macedonia’s NATO bid”. Therefore Greece’s VETO will be withdrawn and a new date for Macedonia’s entry will be given. Greece violated the Interim Agreement which states that Greece should not to object if Macedonia applies for entry to NATO under the United Nations Name: “The former Yugoslav Republic of Macedonia”.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/International_Court_of_Justice

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-16032198

    Therefore Macedonia will join NATO. The court said that the Name issue could not be used when there was a deal between Greece, Macedonia and the UN about the application of the country in NATO under the provisional name: “The Former Yugoslav Republic of Macedonia”. The decisions for to be accepted into NATO come from Washington and not from Greece.

    The court in the Netherlands further said that Greece should not object Macedonia’s NATO entry as well and this is a significant Victory for Macedonia. This makes it even harder for Greece to object Macedonia EU entry as well.

    http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-17550407

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Accession_of_Macedonia_to_the_European_Union

    The Former Yugoslav Republic took Greece to court about the name issue and won its NATO entry bid. The country is still waiting for the decision of the court about Macedonia’s EU entry. For now Macedonia won its NATO bid. If Macedonia wins their EU bid in The Hague they can enter the EU.

  85. MacedoniaFan

    As I watched through the CIA Fact book I saw the following. The Population of Macedonia is:

    Macedonian/Bulgarian 64.2%, Albanian 25.2%, Turkish 2.5%, Roma 1,9%, Serbian 1.2% and Bosnian 1.8%

    It seems that during Yugoslavia the ethnic group of Bulgarians was replaced or assimilated into Macedonians, therefore creating a fake state which basically is mostly Bulgarians with some ethnic attribute divisions from Serbia, Bosnia, Albania, Turkey and Gypsies.

    Despite that Macedonia should enter the EU. This country has been tortured a lot and it deserves to be NATO and EU member.

    https://www.cia.gov/library/publications/the-world-factbook/geos/mk.html

  86. FrogKing

    I wonder how will this European Union will run with some many different countries and different standards? All these countries have different languages, different culture, different GDP, different mentality and so many other things.

    This is not the United States of America where everyone speak one language and everybody is a foreigner and nobody is a native person.

    How did Europe even decided to take Great Britain and Ireland which have territorial disputes over Northern Ireland and they are opting out of some agreements?

    Greece and Turkey have territorial disputes over the Aegean Islands and Cyprus. Not to mention Ex-Yugoslavia which has territorial disputes as well, How can those countries with so many problems can be accepted in the EU?

    - I think that Great Britain should get out of the EU and decide if whether they are going to dissolve or not and than join the EU. They also need to sort out their differences with Ireland.

    - Great Britain want to control their borders and they are not in the Schengen area. Their foreign policy is against immigrants coming to Britain and they have very negative feelings for foreigners from poorer countries even if they are European. However their stance on richer European countries is different, because they like that they have money which they can spend in Britain and not take out.

    - It was for Greece, Cyprus and Turkey. They need to sort out their differences, before entering the EU.

    - Western Balkans as well. They have territorial disputes like Cyprus and Greece.

    The countries which I think should join are:

    - Bosnia and Herzegovina
    - Serbia
    - Montenegro
    - Macedonia
    - Iceland (bankrupt) – it needs money from the EU
    - Norway – eventually since they have been perceived from the EU a lot of times, despite that they do not want to join.

    Countries that would not join:

    - Turkey – They will quit, because the are tired of being on the list for 30 years and the EU is not showing them the path, but Turkey is not making a lot of efforts as well. Turkey will look eastwards towards Iran.

    - Ukraine, Moldova and Belarus – They are being used by Russia as buffer countries between Western Europe and Russia. Russia does not want its enemies at its gates. So the Russians will do anything to keep them on their side.

    - Switzerland – They are totally against the EU, they even have different agreements than Norway and Iceland.

    - Georgia, Armenia and Azerbaijan – They are not even in Europe. They will probably be with Russia in one economic trade union which is formed from former Soviet Republics.

    • George Yiannitsiotis

      There are no territorial disputes over Aegean islands between Greece and Turkey. The borders between the two coutries have been settled clearly by two international agreements:
      1. The Treaty of Lausane (1923) that put an end to the 10years war that torn apart the remnants of the Ottoman Empire
      2. The Ankara Protocol between Turkey and Italy (1932) regarding the Dodekanissos archipelago; Greece, as successor state, follows the provisions of this Protocol; Turkey attempted to violate it in Jan 30-31, 1996 occupying for a couple of hours the west rocky island Ymia.
      3. The International Law of the Sea, especially its provisions regarding territorial waters and exclusive economic zones.

      Regarding Cyprus, Turkey invaded the island in 1974 and occupied militarily the northern part. Since the late 1970s started to move settlers from Turkey to the island in order to consolidate its domination on the occupied territories of the Republic of Cyprus to the expense of local population. The European Union does not recognize this as legitimate action and considers the occupied territories as part of the Republic of Cyprus where the European Legislation is pending.

  87. Arben

    It doesn’t really matter who joins anymore as the Europian Union is cracked and coming to an end. What is the point of this debate?!

  88. tili

    peace is all what we need not to join eu or to leave it . i’m albanian and i’m proud but i also love kosovo and serbia, people most forget the past only like this they will do the smartest thing for the future

  89. A

    We should skip the “benefiting” part out of welcoming any new states since almost all of them are small to even mean anything in economic way, so in other hand which countries would cause less instability would probably be Montenegro or Macedonia, EU would spend less time investing and repairing there rather than in Serbia, Turkey, Bosnia or Albania. So in the advantage sector Montenegro is leading since they have already adopted the euro and then you have Macedonia as potential unused economic resource since basically Yugoslav times. So those two would definitely worth welcoming in the club of the EU

  90. Guy Fleksnes

    I’m guessing they’ll join roughly in this order:

    1. Montenegro (2017-2025)
    2. Serbia (2017-2025)
    3. Scotland (2019-2028)
    4. Albania (2020-2030)
    5. Catalonia (2022-2035)
    6. Iceland (2022-2035)
    7. BiH (2025-2040)
    8. Macedonia (2025-2040)
    9. Andorra (2030-2050)
    10. San Marino (2030-2050)
    11. Armenia (2030-2050)
    12. Georgia (2030-2050)

    Norway, Switzerland, Liechtenstein, Monaco, Vatican: will not apply for membership
    Turkey, Azerbaijan, Moldova, Morocco, Mauritania, Cape Verde: will apply but get rejected
    Russia, Belarus, Kazakhstan: already started their anti-EU union, probably wouldn’t have applied anyway

    • Guy Fleksnes

      Oh, and as for Ukraine and Kosovo, I simply have no idea.

  91. CWEK

    I would like Ukraine to be amongst the Countries offered candidate status and to fulfill its rightful place within the EU this would promote peace and stability in the region and with migrant workers take care of the EUs bloated welfare budget with extra tax revenues and productivity

  92. alex

    i say that the EU should wait a little before accepting new members! the newly members are still underdeveloped, and there are imigration problems all across europe + the gipsy’s that need to be integrated into society(i say we ship’em to london and let the brits deal with them=joke), if these problems are not resolved the candidate members wont have a union to adhere.

  93. Amir

    I think Serbia and Montenegro will be the next countries will be joining the EU and Kosovo will have special bilateral agreement such as Andora, San Marino

  94. Zoran

    In my opinion, the next enlargement will be all the western balkan countries as a pack, but not sooner than 2017, possibly in 2020. The western balkan area has a little less than 20 million citizens, with GDP (PPP) of $205.761 billions similar to Romania witch has 21 mill citizens and GDP (PPP) of $285.131 billions. By 2020 with a growth rate of 5% per year, the western balkan would be at the current level of Romania, and all the other political nonsenses will be resolved, after all we are all living in 21 century and all living in europe, the youth doesn’t want borders anymore…

  95. cgbyles

    They can all join but cash subsidies only on a drip feed bases, also there should be no freedom to move from county to country because so far its a one way road to the UK and Im afraid we can not support any more if at all in the future .

  96. dave truth

    Georgia is a joke country: 5 year old kids can drink beer in bars and vehicles do not need to pass any form of checks to be on the road. If Georgia joins the EU then you might as well allow Algeria too as that is also not in Europe and has far higher standards than Georgia. Don’t let the new glass and concrete of Tbilisi and Batumi fool you…get out into the countryside to discover what is really going on

  97. mohamed

    Hi my friend half of morocain the are from europe i’m origenale europe from germane and all moroccain berber thyer from germane but i dont cknow why europe peaople refus to our country jeion in europe infact our country i think them dont think about europ and in these time we find petrole that make us who win our petrole and our country not let europe take petrole in half price

  98. Roberto Guerra

    In my opinion Serbia should be the next country to join the EU if they recognize Kosovo.

  99. Goran

    The whole ex yu including Slovenia and Croatia, Albania, Romania, Bulagaria, are bunch of primitive people, who should never and should have never joined the EU. Also, the east of European Union is the same. From Italy, Austria and west that is the real Europe. On the south, it is Greece, rest banana states, from where everybody normal would run away

  100. catherine benning

    @ Viking:

    Scandinavia does not love the British people. What they love is being in tight with the USA corporate insurance companies and others which run both the UK and Scandinavia. In the UK they are known under the name of Reform Group. Which in turn is funded by UNUM a US based private insurance company specialising in disability. So they tell us. This ‘Reform Group’ is the consultation think tank that decides on UK political policy.

    So, you are incorrect in your assumption that the connection between us and the Northern States is because we are blood brothers. And by the way, the French words we have all adopted are in fact, based in Latin and Greek.So not French in the true sense of it.

    And as a PS, it was ‘William the Conqueror’ not the ‘conquered.’ That would be an oxymoron if it was as you wrote. And by the way I’m a fully fledged descendant of Vikings, Germans and French.

    However, Scotland will vote for independence. If it wants self determination that is. It would have to as there population has not voted for a Conservative government for ions. They therefore have totally rejected being ruled by the right wing US infiltrated government we presently have in the UK. Although how that sits with Scotland asking for EU status I don’t know. As it has become more clear by the day, through the mess in the Crimea proving that European politicians have also been recruited into the strange world of American poodle policy.

    When it comes down to it, Russia has done us all a great favour by exploding the myth of European self regulation and policy. Which means the only vote I will make is to a far left wing organisation that rejects all right wing US politics completely. Which doesn’t sit well with me either, because they are so pro European indigenous suicide by their unfathomable stance on rampant immigration and promotion of gay marriage and adoption.

  101. Paul X

    And exactly how many of the potential new countries will be net contributors to the EU budget?….by my estimate…absolutely none of them

    People can procrastinate all they want about the benefits of particular countries joining the EU but at the end of the day everything boils down to hard cash

    The EU as an organisation adds no value to this world apart from justifying its own existence, it takes money from “richer nations”, skims off enough to keep itself in fat salaries and business lunches and then hands out whats left in subsidies and for projects in the less well off countries.

    ..and the big problem is there are no more “richer nations” queuing up to join so the EU is continually trying to screw more out of the current net contributors, and as a full rate UK taxpayer that means more of my money down the EU drain

  102. Together-We-Stand

    I agree. And i also agree with your earlier comment that Turkey must never be allowed. Having an Asian country inside the EU, what a (distasteful) joke!

  103. George Yiannitsiotis, PhD

    What may be lost for Moldova/Rumania is the Trans-Dniester region. Russia won’t accept another Latvia-Estonia case regarding the Russians living there. Besides, Russia has learned a tough lesson from the Afgan war (1979-89): no army can hold land without public support. The Russian political-military elite is very cautious even regarding a direct invasion not of Ukraine proper (where nationalists prevail) but of eastern Ukraine where pro-Russians constitute a majority trend.

  104. George Yiannitsiotis, PhD

    The citizens of Switzerland, Norway and epsecially Iceland are smart enough to keep clear of the German-led West European Usurers Corporation. The Balkans are more naive and may fall in the trap like the Greeks (first in Zallogo dance), the Slovenians, the Romanians and Bulgarians and now the Serbs and Albanians.

  105. Random

    thanks, but no thank you. we norwegians doesn’t want to. :)

  106. Rui

    I am not norwegian, but I think Norway is great like it is. Personally, I don’t think that EU must have a new country in it. Our economical situation doesn’t have to pull other countries to help fighting the problem. I am from Portugal and I don’t like the way Europe is helping us, in spite of knowing that we hadn’t another method to solve it – for me, it’s shameful.

  107. George Yiannitsiotis

    Imvros and Tenedos as well as Eastern Thrace were handed over to Turkey via the Lausanne Treaty (1923). Therefore, there isn’t such issue on the table. The real issue is the fact that Turkey refuses to abide by the provisions of the International Law of the Sea regarding the territorial waters and continental self of neighbouring Greece threatening to launch war against Greece should the latter extend its territorial waters from 6 to 12 nautic miles and its airspace from 10 to 12 n.m. However, though this casus belli is still strategic option for the Turkish political-military establishment, the “European Union” holds talks with them!!! Do you understand now why the citizens of the Hellenic Republic are sceptical regarding EU (namely German) “foreign policy” on the Ukrainian question?

  108. ironworker

    They don’t recognise Kosovo because there is only one and a half elephant in the room. Finland might be too busy ignoring it, I’m talking about Albania and Bosnia-Herzegovina, however CY, GR, RO, SK and ES might support Congo’s Katanga secessionist faction in equal measure as Finland does to Kosovo.

  109. HT

    The countries you mentioned also have territories that may strive for seceding from them. So the reason for them not to recognize Kosovo is rather to keep their country together. And not primarily to support Serbia.
    I am Hungarian and I know that Romania and Slovakia are somewhat affraid about to loose territories inhabited by local Hungarian minorities. However I don’t really think this could happen.
    Actually Slovakia is now in better economical situation than Hungary, so I don’t think local Hungarians would want to join to Hungary (there are no Hungarian autonomy attempts in Slovakia). In Romania there are some Hungarian movements to create an autonomous region inside Romania, but this isn’t about to secede Romania. Just about to create a provice that has higher autonomy than other Romanian provinces (e.g. language usage, own flag, etc.). Also you have to consider that this region (Székely Land) is located in the center of Romania, so it’s absolutely impossible and wouldn’t make sense to make it independent, whatmore to join it to Hungary.
    However Spain is the only country that has real chance to loose territory (Catalonia), so in case of Spain I understand their negative feelings about any seccessions…

  110. George Yiannitsiotis

    Are you ready to accept secession of Northern Epirus (Αγιοι Σαράντα, Αργυρόκαστρο etc.) in order to become part of the Hellenic territory? Do not forget, that according to the Corfu Protocol (1914) Northern Epirus has the status of autonomous area within Albania, heavily populated by an internationally recognized Greek majority (minority in Albania proper).

    The question of change regarding territorial status quo ante in the Balkans was not posing real threats to international stability insofar as it was contained within the external borders of Yugoslavia. Should one opens the Aeolos flask of border redrawal in the Balkans, he must be ready for a new war that is not considered a proper way of international behavior (at least regarding the “European Union”). Therefore, should a state outside the EU, knock the door to enter the Union, it must abide by certain rules above all “respect of the territorial integrity and sovereignty of all member-states” (this apply to all non-EU applicants, including Turkey).

  111. George Yiannitsiotis

    Obviously, you are not a polite person. A have nothing to say more since you are unable to understand the critical point of my argument: I do not raise questions of territorial change between Greece and Albania; I used the case of Northern Epirus (as the Corfu Protocol refers to the area that constitutes the southern part of Albania) to give you a vivid (to you) example what can be brought on the table if or when the question of border-redrawn in the Balkans be raised. The problems with minorities are many not only regarding Albanians living in FYRoM and Kossovo (areas of the former Yugoslav Federation); Hungarians in Transylvania and Voivodina, Serbs and Croats in Bosnia/Herzegovina etc.; therefore, one must be very cautious and carefull whilst touching such delicate issues.
    Friendly advice: cool down and keep in mind that you knock the door of the EU; Greece, Bulgaria and Romania are already inside and raising nationalistic questions of “Greater Albania/Bulgaria/Serbia/Greece/Croatia etc.” is the worst advocate of EU-member candidacy.

  112. ironworker

    Now, Justice has been done because you say so. Hallelujah ! What’s next ?

  113. George Yiannitsiotis

    The history of the Balkans, Minor Asia, the Black Sea region, the Mediterranean Sea and the Middle East is connected primarily with GREECE.
    1. The Greeks were the first to expand to these regions, since the 1st Milenium BC. Nowadays, many cities in the region have kept their ancient Greek names (like Sympheropolis, Sevastoupolis in Crimea, Skopia in FYRoM, Agioi Saranta in Albania, numerous cities in Turkey, Alexandria in Egypt and elsewhere, Tripoli in Lebanon and Libya etc…)
    2. The ottoman empire was a by-product (the worst copy) of a series of empires based on the ancient Greek civic heritage; the best was the Macedonian Empire (the first and last purely Greek empire ever) that was succeeded by the Roman Empire and from its split to Eastern and Western the Byzantine Empire emerged and was “Hellenized” due to the fact that ancient Greek and not Latin was the language widely spoken in the regions controled by the Byzantine Empire. The ottomans conquered the Byzantine empire and the dark age started for the Balkans, and the Middle East almost a milenium after it started in Western Europe.
    3. However, the Greek philosophers and scientists of the era fled to the West triggering the Renaissance era that led to the end of the Dark age.
    Therefore, thinking of the backward trend brought in the Balkans by the ottoman empire, one must be very cautious regarding its by-product (Turkey) knocking the door of a progressive group of nations.

  114. George Yiannitsiotis

    To set the record straight:
    1. The only problem regarding borders between Greece and Turkey is to define on the map the line between the greek and Turkish continental self and zone of exclusive economic activity; however, Turkey raised the stakes in 1996, Jan.30-31 by occupying for a couple of hours a Greek rocky island in SE Aegean (Ymia that previously belonged to Italy as the maps attached to the Turkish-Italian Ankara protocol 1932 clearly show); that is not the first time Turkey refuses to abide by the principles and rules of the International Law of the Sea. The right to Zone of Exclusive Economic Activity regarding Castelorizo (SE Aegean 70nm Eastern from Rhodes) is also denied by the Turkish military-political establishment though the ILof the Sea is clear that islands with economic activity have their own right to such zone.
    2. A state that does not abide by the principles and rules of International Law can not be a member of a Union based primarily on the preservation of Common Law; I do not raise the stakes regarding the Turkish behaviour against the Republic of Cyprus (a member of the EU) where there are now diplomatic relations at all and some 40.000 occupation troops are on the island since it would be obvious that in reality there is no ground for even starting talks (not negotiations for membership) between the EU and Turkey for accession.
    3. There are no claims over Turkish territory; though heavily populated by Greeks, Imvros and Tenedos were awarded to Turkey according to the Lausane Treaty provisions (1923); this Treaty and the Montrai Protocol (1936) have guaranteed peace between the two countries for more than half-a century (till 1974 where Turkey invaded Cyprus); refusal to abide by the principles and rules of International Law lead to problems
    4. Regarding History: the Ottoman empire was the worst by-product of a series of empires that switched off the ancient Hellenic Civilization; since Theodossios the Great (396 AD), the Byzantine Empire turned against the Hellenic heritage; the destruction of the Library in Alexandria (Egypt) benchmarks the start of the Medieval Era for Europe; the Western Roman empire was destroyed by the ones who later on turned against a revived Byzantine Empire (Ioustinianos 6th century AD saved it by turning to the Greek language that gave his authority a solid base for almost 5 centuries), namely the Crusaders. The Roman and Byzantine Empires had lost the key element of ancient Hellenic Civilization: the citizen as self-guided, free-thinking man. The ottoman empire imposed a more brute form of the authocratic rule of its predecessors: it embeded the rule of the Sultan/Emperor on subordinates. Thanks to the Arabs, in particular of those in Cordoba, Spain, Ancient Hellenic heritage was rescued and in a combination with some enlightened Greek scholars that fled the Ottoman rule, the Renaissance started in Italy and Paris. That period, the Medieval-Dark era became the burden of the Greeks and all other “subordinates to the Sultan” peoples in the Balkans. The Western European countries progressed, Greece rest behind, hindered by the backward ottoman rule. History speaks of itself.
    5. We do have many in common as peoples; we must be carefull (after the Armenian and Greek Holocaust in Minor Asia by Kemal Atatourk forces 1914-1922, masterminded by a German Military advisor) regarding state relations to abide by the principles and rules of International Law and preserve the two Treaties I mentioned above (esp. the Lausane Treaty brutally violated in Istanbul and Ismir, 1955).
    Yours sincerely,
    George Yiannitsiotis, PhD
    Athens, Greece

  115. Debating Europe

    Dear Maxxx, thank you for your contribution to the debate! We did not block any of your comments, so all of the ones you posted should be there!

  116. Levent

    what did West do for The Turkish Cypriots killed by EOKA? Do you remember the bloody x-mas in Cyprus? Turkey is guarantor state of republic of Cyprus as Greece and UK.
    Gökçeada and Bozcaada are two turkish islands in aegean sea, will we ask you when choosing name of OUR islands?

  117. Carl

    Serbia or Montenegro should be next to join, eventually the enire Western Balkans should join. The question is what will happen with Kosovo given that it’s not even recognised as a state by five EU-members .

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